My Barn Find Pontiac Firebird Lives! V8 Burnouts, and Dyno Tuning -Tony Angelo's Stay Tuned
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ต.ค. 2022
- On this episode of Stay Tuned - after sitting for 30 years, my 1974 Street Freak Firebird is up and running! We put together a killer 462 Stroker engine from a 1975 smog engine, cramming it full of the best parts from Butler Performance, and it’s time to see what it can do! It’s a time capsule from 1983, the raddest bass boat flake paint job, velour interior and 8-track player. It’s been a huge amount of work to get to this point but I’m so stoked this thing is a runner!!
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From a fellow poncho fan and firebird owner, THANK YOU for sticking with a butler engine and not another LS swap
Tony Angelo, Freiburger-Finnegan, and Stacey David are on my automotive Mount Rushmore. Happy to see Tony on here and being home with his family more.
Wouldn't have called hagerty replacing motor trend a couple of years ago. Just a couple more and you'll have the whole set. Love it
Evan Dickerson Would that be Mike and Lucky.?
They need to give Fred and Dave a call from the recently canceled Dirt Every Day Show.
@@redneckarmyvet9003 yup cancelled my subscription because of this
@@try2topdat742 yup same here.
I still like lucky and HRG but the more I watch the latest installments it's clear Velocity or whoever bought it motor trend online kinda ruined that og vibe
If you want more room for those valve covers, look into a hydroboost setup. They work great and don't take up as much room as a booster, plus no need for vacuum.
Baby brake boosters came on 83-85 2.8 blazer, smallest gm booster I Know of, but hydro boost isn't the worst idea ever
Hydroboost would do it, not sure if we are going to keep the power steering though. Might just a smaller booster to make it work, it's pretty close!
Does a motor like that even make enough vacuum to use a vacuum booster? I my vote is resized master cylinder that eliminates all need for boosters. But whatever works!
@@3wbasie that cam didn't sound that rowdy, even my cammed, 10/1, rectangle port ,468 pulls 18 on a vacuum gauge.
I've swapped several of my cars to manual brakes and steering. Cleans everything up. More room. Less weight
What a great initial start up! Really like your videos. Thank you for doing a Pontiac motor! Building a Pontiac 428, learned so much. Congratulations on your build!
DUDE!!! I graduated HS in 74. I remember this kind of stuff!! Great time to be in early teens & twenties!! Tony, one thing. Bigger rear tires to go with that blower & you're golden!! Awesome project!!
On my 75 Trans Am I converted to a hydra-boost brake setup to have my tall valve covers fit. Oh yeah also to have brakes because my cam only makes like 5 inches of vacuum, that too I guess. LOVE my Pontiac!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks Haggerty! As a long time customer, I knew your commitment to preserving automotive history, and stock restorations certainly do that. However, builds like this, and preserving automotive movements such as the Street Freak era is also part of the story. Great content!
this is how you sell insurance policies, not with emus and cgi geckos
Lol Tony has owned this car WAAAY before Hagerty. They are just cashing in on Tony and his projects.
MT got it so wrong when they canned all their magazine titles but for only a handful. They use you up for a few seasons and then leave you out in the cold, Tony found it out, Steve Magnante found it out , they just stabbed Fred from Dirt every day in the back , who was been with them since day dot and the others are going to find it out soon enough too. They are running the business like a private equity firm, only the bottom line counts.
Production quality is day and night different. Great move going forward with Hagerty. Love that Pontiac too 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
Glad to see The Bird is back !
Those rims make that car, old school...can't beatm.. Great show, Birds da word...
I love the new direction this show is taking! Yall look like you are having a lot of fun! Keep up the great work. I love the working man's budget DIY builds. Yeah I will watch the $500k SEMA show builds, but its this type of show that I really relate to and enjoy the most. Cheers for New Orleans!
Fantastic improvement over the first episode production wise, you guys are killing it
Thanks! Just finding our groove!
"don't stand in front of it!" we needed the "OK dad" comment out of his boys 😂
The beauty of taking the smog bogged downed engine to a horsepower the animal disserves. Beautiful
Reminds me of when I started my 302 H.O swapped 82 F100. First try it fired up, it was awesome
It's the BEST feeling when it cracks right off.
I have a '74 Firebird Formula. You guys are getting me all pumped up. I think Imma go to my garage now.
Tony Angelo… wears earmuffs and pulls them above the ear to hear the car😂😂 love this channel
Another great episode! Can’t wait to see it with the blower and the Cragars back on it! Guess I’ll have to Stay Tuned!
Hahaha, you sure will! I can't remember the last time I've been this excited about a build. I CAN NOT WAIT for the blower to go on there.
Love it. That paint shines in the sunlight!
Your show gets better everytime I tune in
Nice. My 1st 350 Pontiac build made 385hp/425tq at the flywheel.Ported iron heads, flat tappet cam and 8.8 comp. Ran 12.45@107. 2nd 350 Pontiac build makes ummmmml .....more than that. 😎 It has been 11.02@120 in my 3450lb Ventura so far.
Perfect amount of flake for that rake!
Hey Tony, good to see you on the Hagerty channel and making progress on the Firebird. Regarding the 400 engines potential for horsepower. If you made 390 crank hp, you can guesstimate the head intake runner cfm with the formula 390/8/.0257 = 190 cfm. If you look on line you will see that stock 1975-79 No. 6X (1975-76 400/455 & 1977-79 400 D-port Date cast: 0185 Grade: 2 Valve sizes: 2.11/1.66 cylinder heads, were shown to flow about 167 cfm at 0.600 inches of valve lift. So the power measured at the dyno was actually very good. Your head porting seems to have helped. Those heads are not going to make the kind of power you were looking for. Most passenger car engines over 450 c.i. struggle with getting enough air through the cylinder heads to make 500+ hp because they were not designed for that purpose. They can't move 350 cfm of air because the motor was not meant to burn the gas needed to mix with all that air and make 500 hp. The stock iron heads, even with your mild porting are going to be holding you back, even with the blower. If you can get flowbench numbers for the head this formula can estimate hp potential, intake cfm X 0.257 X 8 = hp potential. If the head could flow 240 cfm your potential hp is still only about 514 hp, but the dyno testing suggests you are not there.
A 6-71 blower should be good for about 35% hp gain at about 8 psi on pump gas. With 15 psi and E85 maybe you can make 45% more power. If you want to make more than 600 hp as planned, see what you can do to increase air flow into the cylinders. If you could find a set of 1969-70 NO. 44 Ram Air V Tunnel Port heads with Valve sizes: 2.19/1.77, which are suppose to flow about 233 cfm at .600 lift that would be great! I'm going to guess these are very hard to find and probably as expensive as aftermarket aluminum heads.🙂
if it's butler 6x heads their porting starts at 240cfm and I think they can get close to 300 with everything they can ground out.
good response here, I agree, I don't think the port work done on his heads gave the additional flow he was looking for. Numbers look right for stockish 6x heads.
@@hayden6056 there is not enough material in the stock iron heads for 300 cfm. Edelbrock heads yes 300cfm plus some.
Most iron Pontiac heads are maxed out at 260-265 cfm.
@@mattspontiacta fair , I thought SD iron race ported were 270-290.
@@hayden6056 No longer available, I got the last pair.
Killer Tony! Can't wait to see the blower on it!
Hell yeah for the badass firebird sounds amazing
Reminds me of my youth, big strong guys with tiny screw drivers, great work all.
Angelo: the velour interior seen more action than backstage motley crue concert. LOL. I remember people putting gauges where you guys did in dash on those cars. Love it and glad you kept it manual transmission.
Tony Angelo, congratulations on joining Hagerty. We are building a 468 Pontiac from a All-Pontiac block, Kaufman heads. Eagle crank and rods and Ross pistons. We are in the Pittsburgh area and thought about meeting up with you and your Street Freak firebird with our 1969 Firebird and compare them together on a dyno and so on. Nice to see Pennsylvania men creating old school muscle together?
LOVE IT! Keep up the great work Tony. I ran my 400 at 34 total with the "light" MSD springs and a 750. bulletproof combo. Good luck!
Nice! Thanks, seems like we are real close there on the timing setup.
After the words “We will get it sounding as close to Hot for Teacher as possible, you are now my 2nd favourite person
Awesome to see you getting the audience you deserve. That Firebird is just filthy too. Nice job Tony. Congrats!
Thanks! Lots more to come!
Kick ass Tony. I'm an 80s kid and I remember cars like this running around Lincoln ne. Good job keeping it tasteful. That is challenging with a street freak and not having it turn into a super fly pimp machine.
Yessir!!!! This thing is a beast in the works 💪🏽 this is my favorite content on yt keep up the dope work boss can't wait for the next episode on this build
Great job, Tony and as the owner of a 1977 TA myself, that has a Butler Performance 505 all Pontiac stroker engine with an Indian Adventure 2 aftermarket Pontiac block and custom ported Edelbrock heads, you're going to have a lot of fun with your Firebird. I'm the process of stripping mine down for paint and an upgrade to a 5 speed T56 trans and ditching the automatic. Butler makes some great engines, sells great stuff, and is a pleasure to work with. They really know how to make Pontiacs run and more importantly, last a long time too!
Mr. B here ! Glad to see The Bird hauling B-tt !
Dude, “sound like “Hot for Teacher”. I’m 68. Never heard a more descript analogy. Awesome 😎
That throwback bird is Sounding super nice tony...lookin forward to the blower being installed...🙂👍🙏
Excellent video, looking forward to the next video. Thank you for not LS swapping this, keep those BOP engines in play!
When I was a kid in the 80s, I loved the Camaros and Firebirds with spoilers. I gotta say, I'm feeling the fastback. That wild flake paint makes it though. Looks awesome.
you need to Cut the intake between the first 2 bolts for a better water seal on the tension lag bolt o-ring, and THEN you can pull the intake without removing water. Boom.
I'm starting to build a 455 Pontiac for my GTO and its so cool to see Tony working on old school Pontiac stuff. Hagerty is absolutely killing it.
Hey Tony this reminds me of when I was a kid. My dad was building a 76 trans am to go drag racing. That thing was wicked. Love this car
For years I've said that the start of Hot for teacher sounded like a built car! Tony proved I was correct! Great car!
Love that firebird, great video. Thanks Tony. Great to hear the better audio haha.
Can’t wait to see that blower sticking out the hood. Blower says I came to party! That car is awesome!
I think you guys are the best on Hag. Nice work
DUDE! Totally love the 80's street machine!!
One thing I've learnt from motorcycle dynos is big, fat, soft tyres soak up a surprising amount of power, we used to get the guys that were regulars to get a hard touring compound tyre and fit that same tyre each time they came to remove one variable.
The paint work is awesome vintage
My father in law had his 74 firebird 6.6 auto rebuilt frame off. He did a stock rebuild, ported cleaned up stock heads, aftermarket intake, carb, mild cam to make peak power at 5000rpm, long tube headers dual 2.5 exhaust. Dynoed 238/390. Might seem low to most but it's still fun and will leave 100 foot posi burnout. Long first gear
Yeah, that sounds pretty fun to me!
Tony man I miss your stuff. Awsome video
Great videos and very nice car. I am a Pontiac guy and have two 1960s built to drag race. In 2013 I built a 455 punched out to 497ci with a 671 blower. You will love driving that thing. Tons of torque. I can’t wait to see when you get the bower on it.
The Disco paint job STAYS. 👍🏻
Tony! Bucks Co. checking in!! Glad you got your own show here on Hagerty. You and Lucky were the best over on MT before they jumped the shark.. Hope your family is doing well :)
Cheers!
The street freak Firebird is full of Italian awesome sauce! Rock on! 🤘
Thank you Hagerty for picking up my brother Tony Angelo. I was suspect of him in the begging days though really has come into his own and the way this video was shot and edited highlights a lot of his talent and leadership along with the fun side too. Keep it up and I may even buy a shirt or we do trades.
Excellent content! I hate to say it but you need either factory round port Ram Air heads, or Edelbrock aluminum heads to make the numbers you're looking for. The Husbands 72 T/A engine
dynoed at 480 hp at 5,500 540 peak torque with ported 7F6 heads (280 CFM intake) and a roller version of the factory Ram Air IV camshaft. The big crank mains do keep the revs down.
The engine looks stock except for the single plane intake. It even made those numbers with the Ram Air exhaust manifolds in place. No headers on that car.
Should get some old-school Mickey Thompson valve covers for it. That would be badass
Fully agree
@hagarty I'm so happy to see my 3 cars' premiums are going to quality content! Keep this up!
My guess was 336whp at the start and figured that was high, great effort with that blower cam though.
Loving the build guys.
Important to keep this car enjoyable on the street.
And reliable!
Sweet content, good job Hagerty and the Stay tuned crew!
So happy to see Tony on another channel, with the same awesome builds.
I couldn't find anything to criticize if I tried. Clean clean build, so much thought put into execution. Still had the classic pains of an old car build up with the mounts and starter, too relatable hahaha Man it sounds great
Thanks! Doing our best on this one for sure, it's been a lot of work to do it right. Starter at 2am had me GOING.
@@StayTunedTA now that I think about it, you woulda hit at least 400 wheel hp if you'd just run a qjet.... I KID I KID hehehe
All the fun with the blower coming around the corner, I'll be watching with a big grin.
Torque is what Pontiac motors are known for. What was the torque number?
Fun Video 📹 Have a good time
congrats! I love how you drive around with the race lights on
The exhaust port is the choke point in these engines.
The Pontiac factory head is the choking point not just the exhaust port. It’s late 60s technology. Ran great in there day but obsolete by todays standards. The out of the box Edelbrock heads are only good for 260 cfm. This engine or any engine over 400 cubic inches needs 300 plus cfm to make power. A Chevy LS 5.3 head flows around 230cfm and it’s only 327 cubic inches. 455 ci needs 300 cfm plus to make decent hp.
this is more exciting than that other tv show you were on
Great job. It sounds great 👍👍
Like them 2nd gen F-body cars, they make awesome race cars. Love the paint!
Those ported stock heads are killing a ton of power. Looking forward to what it makes with the blower!
@@grandmasmalibu - Exactly what I was thinking. If Tony wants to retain the ‘70’s vibe (don’t blame him!) just grind off the manufacture name and paint them to match the engine.
FRIENDS! Lol Carluch
Love the idle. Remind me of growing up at Martin dragway in the 60s-80s.
Keep the good times coming 🔥
You can get a smaller 7" dual diaphragm booster to give you more room to run those beautiful Butler valve covers. Cannot wait to hear that blower whine!
Yessir! We've already got the part number in an email somewhere and it's going to happen.
love that even with multiple dudes with years of experience mistakes and redos are just apart of the process beautiful car and awesome sounds coming from it
Love that thing man. Awesome
Love the channel guys. Keep doing what your doing
love this build
Great work this is what it’s all about good friends cool cars . You’re channel is awesome
Keep the vids coming Tony. PA pride makes me a fan
I am squishy for this car, as a child of the 70s and former owner of a 1974 Trans Am with a 1970 GTO 400, turbo 400 and 12 bolt in it....
Sounds like a killer ride.
@@StayTunedTA It was a torque monster, like any other 400+ inch Pontiac but, it was still a 3800 pound car with manual windows, locks and no AC :)
I have a bone stock 69 Poncho 428 short block, with a Ram Air 3 top end. All factory parts, and 95000 miles on it. Mine did 295 HP and 340 torque on the chassis dyno through a 700R4 that was hurt. I guess I'm doing pretty good. Love the show Tony. Get that blower on there ASAP!!
About time I've been waiting for this dude
I own a '75 400 and I wish it made that kind of horsepower even without boost. Or even at the crank. Can hardly wait to see the next progression. You guys are killing it on that car, everything about it.
then just put a 455 in it and you'll have it
@@dipstiksubaru3246 Mine is kind of a low mileage sentimental survivor so I'm leaning toward just working with what I've got for the most part and was hoping not to pull the motor or get in to the bottom end. I was really just trying to compliment them on what it was making. But I wouldn't mind a set of those Butler high perf head templates 😄
Yes Tony! Pontiac is my childhood and I got all the feels with you when this motor cracked open! I don’t think you ever mentioned the torque number you got I have almost 500 pounds of torque with the stroker. I am so excited for this blower and I love this car!
it made only 330ftlbs you can see it on the screen at the end. something is wrong with this engine
Car sounds awesome.
Sweet ride!!! Love the 70s!!!
Big win on the white roll cage!!
21:10 THANK YOU TONY!! I hate watching people on TH-cam and their terrible Dyno etiquette. Never stand in front or behind the car when its doing a pull! and always stay clear of the rollers at all times. Some people will learn the hard way when a strap breaks or the car blows up and throws something behind it.
No sweat, dynes are VERY dangerous and need to be treated with respect. You can absolutely get hurt or even killed in an instant.
I went from a dialed in factory front disc rear drum vacuum Booster brakes on a manual trans 68 Camaro to a Wilwood full manual master cylinder setup and it stopped better with the Wilwood manual than it ever did with the factory vacuum Booster brakes. I was happy with the factory vacuum setup... the only reason I replaced it was to gain room and incase the engine ever died hooning the car around or at the big end of the track it would stop the same. No regrets.
Nice sounding engine! Can't wait to see what a blower does on this, besides looking extremely cool.
Let’s GOOOOO! The bird is the WORD!
From an Australian whose subscription to Motortrend was cancelled due to not living in the US, thank you Hagerty
This car is on fire. Nice video!
Love the new show, the videography is noticeably different from the motor trend stuff. But the content and familiarity is all there
Oh it’s Tony, that explains it! That’s why it’s fuckin awsome lol!
The old school Pontiac and Ford engines with the 14 degree heads sound so bitchin. Nothing pops off like those engines do.