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That's kinda like what I imagine the internet to be and the real web 3.0. Projects like this is the best usage of network protocols, web technologies, decentralized hosting, open source, etc. This is the social services I've always dreamed about... I just hope this alternatives don't get overflown by hateful groups that nobody wants and get banned everywhere else
Hateful people are often quickly banned by their instance admins, and instances that have no moderation policies and let hateful groups prosper are often blocked by other instances. I've been on Masto for 2 years and basically never saw hateful content on my feed because my instance admins are doing a good job of blocking bag agents
@@oNanemo Since "hateful groups" means anyone who disagrees with you to any degree about anything whatsoever, the result is a left wing echo chamber that tolerates no significant disagreement. Real discussions with real people don't happen on Mastodon. Everyone there is the exact same.
@𓆏 It's unavoidable that they use these platforms but they can just go on their own instances and leave everyone else alone and that would be fine by me if I'm being honest. It's how it works in the real world anyway, people have their own groups. We just need the moderators to ban offenders from the good instances. I would love if they could integrate it with existing platforms, in fact, there is some legislation in the EU being discussed that would force just that on the big corporations, but at the moment sites like TH-cam have clauses that specifically prevent integrating it with competing websites AFAIK. Though you can use things like youtube-dl (at least TH-cam itself hasn't said otherwise if I recall correctly, it was some music rights stuff) to download videos off TH-cam and onto PeerTube, so I wonder if we could scrape more data off TH-cam. But if we use their servers, that's probably legally problematic, if we don't, then I guess we'd need permission from the copyright owner every time we copy something, so you'd need to ask for permission for each comment from their author for example. But I'm not a lawyer, just interested in stuff like this.
@𓆏 Yeah, thinking about it I'm not sure how would TH-cam be forced to be interoperable with the monetising part but that would make sense. I guess TH-cam could decide when to display an ad and if it does then send that as the video with a flag that shows that it's actually an ad and then send the video, something like that. (And ban apps that don't actually show the ads.) But it's possible the proposed regulation would only be applicable to messaging apps and similar anyway. I haven't read a lot about it recently. I agree that we'll probably move toward more decentralized things eventually. In addition to PeerTube there's LBRY/Odysee as well, which AFAIK is a crypto-based decentralized TH-cam alternative. I don't know if I'd support cryptos specifically myself because imo it's 'too' decentralized, seems to be a bit of a waste of computation power to always store and verify everything the others did. Also the way it's currently used for investment and trading. Anyway, I'd personally really like everyone easily hosting their own services if they need to and have reputable servers. Also, data portability is important there. I guess even storing a local copy of the user's data would be nice. Just don't store it on every user's device or similar, like with cryptos (unless I'm mistaken, don't know a lot about it). Maybe even for money I'd prefer fintech companies. I don't know. But yeah, something like that is probably how it will be eventually.
Every time I hear peer to peer, it rings the alarm glocks for me, because in my country, you're legally responsible for what you share with PTP and this is fairly well enforced. Edit: I was talking about PeerTube, not Mastodon, PeerTube is PTP, as the name already says
It's interesting to me that I've heard Mastodon talked about in more mainstream circles recently (not widespread, and only mentions). It just makes me wonder that if Mastodon ends up getting mainstream adoption that, because of the Fediverse, it would be possible that market share of TH-cam and Instagram could then be reduced over time. As users' Mastodon accounts can then slowly gain adoption for other services.
Far as I can tell, this is a very, very one-sided very narrowly partisan very political move that's happening for the most hardcore left wing extremists only.
@@travisgoesthere A few liberals? Parler is literally a Mastodon offshoot. The whole point is that if you want you can easily find servers that are just hardline free speech to the max (which, if the cutoff from you is people *kicked off of Twitter* I guess you don't actually care about free speech that much)
The fediverse is really cool sounding. I love this idea of an open source social networking ecosystem. It has great potential that just might go somewhere now that Twitter has new management and Facebook is bleeding money. As for a lot of people not being on there, that's all the more reason to move there. People will be there if the userbase is there.
The nice thing about the fediverse, is that not everyone are in one place, so you GET TO avoid the mass of people that is Twitter and Facebook. Not seeing everyone IS a good reason to be there. Let the attention-whores stay on Twitter and FB. People who want actual digital human connection should go to Mastodon and the rest of the fediverse.
@@canelbuino7087 Oh, I have no doubt most people will stay put. Creatures of habit and all that…and having to learn something new. That’s at least 2 hurdles.
I've been using Linux for decades and sincerely wish you were kicking around years earlier, so grateful for your news updates and fantastic presentation style. I never used to be bullish on Linux in the mainstream but I sure am optimistic for the future. Good job
same. but, I am beginning to see too much "political correctness" within Linux and FOSS, too, now. The smallest minority is the person who dares to think and act for him/herself. "Political correctness" destroys the individual.
I was looking for a good general description of the fediverse, and I have to say this is the best possible first video I could have clicked on. Usually, I've got to try about eight different videos before I find one that isn't just bullshit. But, this one was spot on. You told me everything I needed to know, as a beginner, in order to understand what's going on. You focused on the benefits instead of insignificant details. And you didn't try to talk so fast that nobody can keep up, like most TH-camrs think they are required to do.
On Mastadon you can also easily transfer your account from one to another server, if you wish so. In case the server you chose is bad and got banned by many other in example.
I am so glad you made a dedicated video. It really pisses me off when political TH-cam Talks about "how to fix social media" because they don't understand the full breadth of networking and they usually just say government regulations and think that is a solution
With companies its either free and you are not the consumer, you are the product Or Its paid and you are the consumer of their product With most FOSS networks and programs there is no product, there is only community. You are part of a community. That is what makes them feel so good. I'm too young to remember the older days of more decentralized internet but I really do hope it makes a resurgence because I want to see people come together for amazing things no matter how small or big. Though I do hope peertube gets monetization that can be controlled by the person hosting the instance. Yes it would be annoying but I think it would make those platforms better for creators. I really think that Modrinth, the minecraft mod platform, could be a great example for a way of monetizing for creators, because creators who put this work in are working.
As always, great video! Keep up the great work and I love the positive attitude! I've been watching for almost a year now but have remained silent. Keep it up! I feel like the linux community is growing and your informative videos truly help that growth!
I've heard of Mastodon and PeerTube back in college. I've been checking out the hype surrounding it since Elon Musk bought Twitter, and while it's a cool concept (mainly the ActivityPub protocol), I just don't think a decentralized social network appeals to most people. Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc., may raise concerns about privacy, but the fact that they're centralized is one of their biggest strengths. If I meet a new group of friends, they're most likely to be on Facebook, but probably not Mastodon. They probably don't want to sign up for Mastodon because it can be confusing signing up and being a part of multiple instances. Facebook might be "at fault" for gaining so many users across the world and keeping them on their platform, but users are used to models like that. I could see maybe a group of people joining and creating their own instances, but at that point, people would probably just be using Discord or Reddit since people are much more familiar with them. I think it would be great for techies that are concerned about their privacy. I might check it out again just to see how it works.
That's why I don't have any of those platforms - I care about both their and my privacy. If I had FB I'd be part of the problem and not solution. Multiple instances isn't all that confusing and the only reason most people use those mainstream platforms is because those platforms have enough income for ads and people pick between products they see in ads instead of trying to find something better on their own.
It is like email. If you pick Google as your email provider, you can email people who use Microsoft / Yahoo / etc. It isn't actually a problem in practice.
I would strongly recommend changing the title and thumbnail to mention how this is an alternative to Twitter. This will make it much easier for people who want to leave Twitter but don't know anything about the fediverse to find this video (and I imagine will give you more views as a bonus)
Gave mastodon a go some 1.5 year ago and couldn't get the federated aspect to make sense to me, i couldnt find people from other servers. You made me want to give it another go and I downloaded the android app. But I can't log into any server as I get stuck in the authorize screen, where clicking authorize does nothing at all for me. 😔 Guess I'll come back in another 1.5 year!
A cool explainer! Although I had heard of Mastodon and Peertube before, it was surprising to learn one can basically use a single application to follow all networks in the Fediverse. Very cool!
Had no idea that federation meant services can talk to each other, that's quite the game changer Ironic how they, despite making not money hand over fist, still manage to best centralized ones in a few areas
I think this may be adding to the confusion, or perhaps I am the confused one. With federation different servers running Mastodon, for example, communicate with each other so long as they choose to do so. Federation does not mean if you sign up with a Mastodon server you now have Peertube or Pixelfed accounts. It is what XMPP (nee Jabber) does and made it a popular choice for online communities, particularly when they could federate and communicate with Google chat users. Although it always had stiff competition from TeamSpeak, Ventrilo, etc, and then Discord. With this Twitter hub-bub going on, every online community should be looking at running their own Mastodon.
Now I want to know how these services deal with the server costs. Especially Peertube since videos (especially 4k and 8k) take up A LOT of space and the speed of increasing video file sizes is outpacing the increase of storage sizes.
@@kuhluhOG not exactly by legality but I get what you mean. To put simply, people pay out of pocket, donations or as any other services by charging users. As for speed issue, peertube uses BitTorrent protocol, so the more people watching would only increase the speed. Just like torrents.
My issue with Peertube is that, since it doesn't have the CDN superpowers like TH-cam, or even Vimeo, it tends to feel like the bad old days of early TH-cam of the 2000's or even Real Player before that, but in HD. I'm not sure who would even be willing to fund any kind of CDN caching for Peertube, or the Fediverse in general, unless it's a government organization, or a Mozilla-like non-profit that's composed of as many Fediverse organizations as possible.
two questions: 1. who controls de amount of instances before it becomes a mess? 2. what to do in the event of one instance is closing? I am asking 1. because from what I see it would be possible to each individual to create instance(s), so if everyone starts to do that it will become a mess with not, now to 2., much reliability because you would never known if the owner of the instance will shut it down. Therefore, I guess it would be interesting to know two things: 1. how to create and maintain your instance or 2. how to contribute to instances. I guess that if you could touch the idea of these four points in one video would be great :)
What did you just get me into?! I looked into it and I’m hooked. I absolutely am having a ton of fun. I managed to find you on PeerTube. I already have some followers and am following people and actually engaging with them. I feel safer and more relaxed there. I also joined Pixelfed and debating on which facebook-like service I want to use. Thank you so much for breaking it down in this video. ❤
Fedora 37 release tomorrow. What do you think should be installed on fresh Fedora to make it more complete? What I can think of: * Flathub repository (some say to turn off Fedora Flatpak repo) for more software * RPMFusion for NVIDIA drivers, now also h264 codes and such (apparently these are: mesa-va-drivers-freeworld mesa-vdpau-drivers-freeworld ) * Something to make GNOME default video player actually playback stuff (please do tell if you know), though mpv is also there Anything else essential for general and media usage? Ps. Looking forward Nobara video after 37 release from general, media and gaming usage standpoints.
Have you tried logging into either when using Tor browser? I'm wondering how private these are. If they require your IP, then they are still a bit risky.
This is one of the few videos explaining the Fediverse that doesn't feel like some cryptobro or tech hippie trying to sell me on their version of the service. Actually feels likes it's trying to just explain it to non-techies in a non-biased fashion.
Thanks for the help! I didn't know about the ability of mastodon to communicate with other social medias directly in the same app, that's like really cool!
i doubt mastodon will replace or even be a competitor, mastodon outside of being open source (which isn't a selling point) doesn't have any compelling features that twitter doesn't have. And even then with separated instances it acts more like reddit or discord with a character limit than twitter. Plus their UI is confusing and not very user friendly, if you need a tutorial to figure out how to use an app it's not a very good app (reason why i hate FBs UI) and mastodon can be very confusing.
It’s main compelling feature is that it’s not being demolished by Musk ;) It will probably never replace Twitter but it’s already an excellent alternative
Agree. Although I love the idea of decentralization and open source, it has to offer something to the ones who don't care about who owns it and what are their policies on privacy.
@@TheLinuxEXP If that's the only compelling feature of the Mastadon network then really what is the point? At that point you may as well just use Minds which is also not controlled by Elon Musk but also tries to differentiate itself from "mainstream" non-FOSS platforms like Facebook or Twitter and actually has a USP and an actual reason you'd want to use it unlike Mastadon who's only selling point is that "We're not controlled by a single and/or multiple billionaires"
@@TheLinuxEXP considering Twitter has seen record foot traffic it seems Twitter maybe thriving in the chaos Musk stirred up. Which makes sense considering Twitters main selling point is drama and faux outrage. Plus 90% of users don't care who owns a given platform. And where better to complain about Twitter than on Twitter people have been doing it for years. I get you don't like Musk but at least try to be a little reasonable and realistic.
So far, this sounds cool to me, but a bit confusing. I already have several services hosted on my server and want to add peertube instance. Hosting multiple services that use HTTPS is a little tricky. I roughly know how to do it, but I'm afraid to break everything. Also, I would not like to show my IP address to everyone in a row. Ah, this eternal conflict of publicity and anonymity... But the most important thing is the practical aspect of use. What is the most convenient way to watch peertube and search for videos on a smartphone?
Have a reverse proxy server listening on port 443. I use HAProxy, but there are other options. Then have that pointing to services elsewhere. I put each service on a separate virtual machine.
Out of pocket, donations, and subscription like any other services (usually not become people can just move to a different instance, but that option still exists and people pay)
One thing I would like to distinguish: The fediverse is not decentralized! It is federated! That means you can not simply start a peer, connect to every other service, disconnect that peer, come back later and such... You can host a server, connecting to different other servers but this comes with a given amount of overhead. In a truly decentralized social media, you wouldn't need servers because each device acting as client is essentially its own server. This doesn't work with the fediverse because the lacking mailbox mechanisms and how it is operating. You usually don't have direct peer to peer connections to other clients. These services are great for companies, organizations, universities or schools but they don't offer a good global solution. Because if everyone would use them, servers needed to scale in a regard that we would only create the next TH-cam, Twitter and others. That is one of the reasons I personally don't bother federated services as much. They look great on paper but fall short in practice. Decentralized software would bring huge advantages to the FOSS community because every client could utilize individual patches as long as protocols aren't violated. I don't think we need the next Twitter or an open-source Twitter. We need something way better. That's why I work on decentralized software.
It's decentralised, what you mean is distributed which is also decentralised. Decentralised just means there's no one centre, which both federated and distributed systems satisfy.
@@Zephyrus0 Thing is though that most federated systems state there wouldn't be centralization but there always is to some degree. When you look for Mastadon, you will find one server most people use (either directly for own account management or indirectly when their contacts use it). It's similar with PeerTube and even with Matrix. Maintenance of those services doesn't properly allow full decentralization in a sense that there's no difference between clients and servers. The biggest flaw in centralization is the issue of availability. When your central server goes down, its clients can't communicate. If the fediverse was decentralized as you stated in the sense I consider the word "decentralized" should apply, nobody would care about such a server failure using the service. However when you have these federated services, there's pretty likely one server being used most (likely the main server of the organization developing the service because they have funding to maintain a bigger server than others). So when this node fails, most users will notice. But I would like to use a "decentralized" service in a sense that users won't notice any node failing except when they request a direct connection to it during time of failure. So sure, we can argue over definitions here. Maybe the services I'm looking for can be called "distributed". However I'm not even considering federated services to be decentralized because they lack the main benefits from that in practice. I mean how can anything be decentralized but still require an account registration? In a decentralized service I don't have to authenticate to anyone for using it. Because moderation is always a form of centralization.
@@TheJackiMonster distributed systems also required centralisation, consider SSB for the example, even though it's fully peer to peer yet it requires hubs if you want to use it properly. and it's not an isolated case, analogues to a hub exists in every distributed systems, even the fediverse has an analogue called relays. A hub is just a node which allows peers to find each other, that's due to the design of the internet protocol. You need a STUN/TURN server to connect two peers because your IP addresses are hidden, your ports block and much more. The networking stack was design to make it difficult to connect people without going through a middleman. If you want to fix the issue of centralisation, you need to fix the entire networking protocol.
@@TheJackiMonster also you definitely think of moderation as something totally different as I do. For me moderation is just a weird name for a filter, they can used in centralised way but they're not limited to that. You might wanna see how SSB does moderation while being peer to peer.
@@Zephyrus0 I think I mean something more abstract with moderation than you. What I mean is that any set of rules in a service are some form of moderation. The only rules I see applicable in a fully decentralized service are defined by its protocol. So every user interaction will not be evaluated by the service itself. Users can of course still block/filter interaction with others. But this is something which needs to be implemented on front-end level. Very simplified you can think of as there are no terms of service. If a user has a problem with other users, they need to settle that themselves. There are no admins, no moderators and no service guarding anything. It's just a tool.
A question: I currently have 5 different accounts on mastodon because they are in different instances, e.g. one is a news instance, another is for my country, and yet another one is for social interactions. Do I really need that many accounts or can I somehow "fuse them together" into one big account?
Very interesting indeed! If this is done smart and funds kan be found to market the platform, so many join, this could be a HARD blow to the platforms that are selling YOU today.
It isn't. It isn't anything like that. They aren't trying to re-create the Internet of the late 90s to 2000s. They're trying to maintain the tightly-controlled entirely one-sided echo chamber of 2015-2022.
That’s nonsense. You tried to push this in multiple comments and it’s just stupid. How would you make an open source, decentralized service one political side only? Anyone can create a right wing server if they want. You could, since you seem to believe hate speech is an opinion and doesn’t deserve to be banned…
@@TheLinuxEXP > " How would you make an open source, decentralized service one political side only?" Lots of ways. One is that they build a blocklist into the clients. > "Anyone can create a right wing server if they want." Yeah, but the Fediverse is only for Leftists. > "You could, since you seem to believe hate speech is an opinion and doesn’t deserve to be banned…" Hatespeech (one word, from Orwell's Newspeak) is an opinion and doesn't deserve to be banned, since its definition is whatever speech Leftists hate and its actual content is completely fluid.
It was owned by a company and shareholders, equally as bad. Like I said in the intro, having a whole network controlled either by a company or an individual is equally bad
It is bad to have these media controlled by any single individual or company. But a singularly bad behaving individual has taken over the highly visible twitter & that's why more people are complaining now.
In relative terms, there was much less to complain about when Dorsey was CEO. The problem of having a single person at the top was more theoretical and less urgent.
Isn't the idea behind one federated network with different services to access it obsolete, if we still create new accounts for every server. Wouldn't it be possible, to use pixelfed with an existing mastodon account?
I find it hard convincing all my friends and family members to make the switch so we can all talk to each other on these better and safer platforms. You even show them examples but they're stuck in their "that's inconvenient" ways of thinking and that's how they stay stuck in their ways and major tech companies know that. The majority of all consumers want convenience and fast availability. I know one day everything will get so crazy everyone will eventually ask the question, "Is there a better option?" Of course that is when people like us need to stick with our open source mindsets so when the day comes we can help guide them and show them that you don't have to let them make money off of you and not get a cut of it. Only time will tell.
Diaspora is more like G+, friendica is more like facebook but can talk to literally everything, including twitter, until elon breaks it, and diaspora which can't talk to activitypub fediverse. Peertube isn't really ready for prime time yet, the interactions between servers isnt great and since they take so much space there aren't really nenoguh for everyone to be on a server they like. Pixelfed is my happy zen place
I hate Instagram. 50% of the content that i see is sponsored or suggestions. The other 50% is the same 10 people, over and over again. I follow 200 people and i never see 95% of their posts. I loved when the Instagram was a social media for hipsters post artistic photos with some sunburn or a black and white filter. This thing that we have now is an abomination.
I remember someone did a survey on Instagram and found roughly 80% of the post are ads, sponsorships, etc and 20% is actually from the people you follow.
I'm running my own server with all kinds of stuff. I tried to get Mastodon to run on it, but sadly not much luck. But I'm planing to install a better suited environment and then join. I didn't know about the whole FediVerse thing, but love the idea and looking forward to try it out.
That's a cool project. And I've been seeing a lot lately (mainly because of you on Twitter and the algorithm) about the fediverse. The only thing I'm not entirely convinced about is the number of accounts that I've to create for every service, I don't understand it yet (if I post something to say in Mastodon, should I be able to just make one account in one of those services to use on every one of them? Or every single one has to have an account?) Yes, I have a lot to learn.
They are different services so u need an account for each of them. Also they are different so mastodon is twitter like so it's not the same as peertube cuz those are video streaming.
@@DaleonM4 But also in the video he said one can follow PeerTube channels on Mastodon so why do you still need multiple accounts and what is the benefit of having an account on one versus the other if they all can show the same content anyways?
I love the fediverse! Although Matrix doesn't use ActivityPub, I would still consider it part of it due to its decentralized nature. That said, my personal biggest gripe is Clients. They are extremely hit or miss and sadly mostly miss. Like I still haven't found a good one for Windows (Sengi keeps crashing and being generally slow as hell). But aside from that, I see huge potential in these services and I will keep using it ^^.
ok, how does activity pub know that my peertube account is linked to my pixelfed and mastodon account? I'm French maybe I don't understand the subtleties of language... my pixelfed doesn't communicate with my mastodon...
This will never really work as intended. Each tiny social media entity will be hyper focused on a single belief group and will be a 10x echo chamber. Let's not forget that the most popular one will win as no one is going to use multiple. My mom, sister, or friends are not going to go looking for social media apps and then find servers to join. They will stick to FB or Twitter until they go out of business.
Mastodon is NOT “basically twitter”‼️ That’s the very thing that frustrates new users. They’re told it’s like Twitter. No. DON’T expect it to be like twitter! That said, it’s way better once you get over the idea of a learning curve. Everything in life has a learning curve. Tip: use hashtags 👏 hashtags 👏 hashtags 👏 And: FOLLOW hashtags. Yes! You can follow topics! (I can explain that if anyone wants) Ask questions on there! Tell people you’re new and they will help. People are nicer on there than what you will ever see on twitter. Familiarize yourself with all of your preferences. It doesn’t take that long and it will help set you up.
I had a Diaspora account years ago. Wonder if it would still be available. "Fediverse" is an unfortunate name, however. Makes me think the Feds have something to do with it.
So if you can use federation to follow with one account on multiple instances, why do you need multiple accounts/handles to post on each site? Wouldn’t it be much easier to use the same handle on each service?
Isn't the phone app called FediLab merely a way to _centralize_ decentralization apps? Anyone looked into that? I see the pros, but want to know the cons, too.
hey nick thanks for the video it sparked my interest in the fediverse a couple of points tho, matrix is also federated is that also part of the fediverse? i'm not sure i see how they fit in. i did look a bit more into it and it appears that fediverse is also a collection of protocols that allow federation one being activitypub, another being matrix and another being....diaspora?! i'm slightly confused how this all works atm
Only the ones which use activitypub, fediverse is just the name of the network because activitypub network sounds bad. There are other protocols but activiypub is the main one.
Hey Nick, I'm super late to this video and I decided to start trying out Mastodon, Pixelfed and...PeerTube I guess, but I wonder, how's it different than Odysee? I heard a bit about both but still can't quite understand the difference
Thank you for the information! Now I understand one account in certain instance can follow other account from other instance/platform in Fediverse, can the reverse happen? I mean, the equivalent feature of accounts (of different instance) in one page (so user doesn't have to log-out) in Twitter. E.g I have account in mastodon and pixelfed, rather than log out to use each of them, I could just change account in the app?
@@TheLinuxEXP I created the account last year, but now I don't remember the instance that I created it for. Mastodon app is giving me a ton of instances to choose from. Each time I choose an instances, it doesn't recognize my password. Lol. I'll just slide it under the rug for now.
Different moderators, who allow for different levels of what's allowed or not, so this way you feel safe. Also, while fediverse services can see each other's content, and post, doesn't mean that all their UIs or features are the same. For example, Pixelfed's instagram look is not the same as Mastodon's twitter look.
What exactly you mean by taken offline? As in maintenance or shutting down forever? If it's maintenance then it just stays offline until the maintenance is over, otherwise if you are talking about shutting down you can just move your account to a different server.
@@Zephyrus0 yes the second one if the server you are connected through is gone due to what ever reason how do you rescue your account and move it to another instance?
@@timomy8 depends on the host, if you inform you beforehand like mastodon technology, you can just move your account to a different server. You can ask an export for your data from the instance. A good host would keep backups and do announcements regarding the situation of the instance.
@@Zephyrus0 yep in a perfect world this would be the case and fingers crossed it works out that way. I guess this also just means to be a bit more discerning when selecting an instance and really at the end of the day we should be because nothing is ever guaranteed. Twitter is a great example of that ATM.
I really like the idea of the fediverse but I wonder how it is financed. I would like to have a paid account for the fediverse to help the thing take off. Otherwise it might end up either shut down or "bailed out" by another billionaire. I think we made a mistake at the beginning of the internet : "Free as in free speech not as in free beer."
It's not a website, it's just bunch of software talking to each other which the host manages. To improve the software, support the developers and to improve the hosts support them so they can host and manage it properly or you can host yourself or pay someone to host it for you.
@@Zephyrus0 Don't support these developers. They are actively making the world and society worse by trying to preserve the closed-off echo chamber Internet of 2015-2022.
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I ran to see this episode on my Mastodon account, only to find out you posted it to YT first.
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how 2 run a own #Mastodon #Server / #Portal ?? is it like a cms or blog like wordpress .. ??
@@VeolonMedia it is a one click install in most cloud provider, there is a podman if you prefer.
Come back to odysee.
That's kinda like what I imagine the internet to be and the real web 3.0. Projects like this is the best usage of network protocols, web technologies, decentralized hosting, open source, etc.
This is the social services I've always dreamed about... I just hope this alternatives don't get overflown by hateful groups that nobody wants and get banned everywhere else
Hateful people are often quickly banned by their instance admins, and instances that have no moderation policies and let hateful groups prosper are often blocked by other instances. I've been on Masto for 2 years and basically never saw hateful content on my feed because my instance admins are doing a good job of blocking bag agents
@@oNanemo Since "hateful groups" means anyone who disagrees with you to any degree about anything whatsoever, the result is a left wing echo chamber that tolerates no significant disagreement. Real discussions with real people don't happen on Mastodon. Everyone there is the exact same.
Well, if nobody wants them, it wouldn't be groups, would it?
Anyways, would it not be a possibility to just not follow those people?
@𓆏 It's unavoidable that they use these platforms but they can just go on their own instances and leave everyone else alone and that would be fine by me if I'm being honest. It's how it works in the real world anyway, people have their own groups. We just need the moderators to ban offenders from the good instances.
I would love if they could integrate it with existing platforms, in fact, there is some legislation in the EU being discussed that would force just that on the big corporations, but at the moment sites like TH-cam have clauses that specifically prevent integrating it with competing websites AFAIK.
Though you can use things like youtube-dl (at least TH-cam itself hasn't said otherwise if I recall correctly, it was some music rights stuff) to download videos off TH-cam and onto PeerTube, so I wonder if we could scrape more data off TH-cam.
But if we use their servers, that's probably legally problematic, if we don't, then I guess we'd need permission from the copyright owner every time we copy something, so you'd need to ask for permission for each comment from their author for example. But I'm not a lawyer, just interested in stuff like this.
@𓆏 Yeah, thinking about it I'm not sure how would TH-cam be forced to be interoperable with the monetising part but that would make sense. I guess TH-cam could decide when to display an ad and if it does then send that as the video with a flag that shows that it's actually an ad and then send the video, something like that. (And ban apps that don't actually show the ads.) But it's possible the proposed regulation would only be applicable to messaging apps and similar anyway. I haven't read a lot about it recently.
I agree that we'll probably move toward more decentralized things eventually. In addition to PeerTube there's LBRY/Odysee as well, which AFAIK is a crypto-based decentralized TH-cam alternative. I don't know if I'd support cryptos specifically myself because imo it's 'too' decentralized, seems to be a bit of a waste of computation power to always store and verify everything the others did. Also the way it's currently used for investment and trading. Anyway, I'd personally really like everyone easily hosting their own services if they need to and have reputable servers. Also, data portability is important there. I guess even storing a local copy of the user's data would be nice. Just don't store it on every user's device or similar, like with cryptos (unless I'm mistaken, don't know a lot about it). Maybe even for money I'd prefer fintech companies. I don't know. But yeah, something like that is probably how it will be eventually.
Every time I hear peer to peer, it rings the alarm glocks for me, because in my country, you're legally responsible for what you share with PTP and this is fairly well enforced.
Edit: I was talking about PeerTube, not Mastodon, PeerTube is PTP, as the name already says
But mastodon is NOT peer to peer! It is federated server to server not client to client.
@@andreasn455 PeerTube is, as the name already says.
Just when the alarm glocks ring... You just ring back with the alarm sigs and win!
@@CMDRSweeper You, sir, win the internets for today.
what country is that?
It's interesting to me that I've heard Mastodon talked about in more mainstream circles recently (not widespread, and only mentions). It just makes me wonder that if Mastodon ends up getting mainstream adoption that, because of the Fediverse, it would be possible that market share of TH-cam and Instagram could then be reduced over time. As users' Mastodon accounts can then slowly gain adoption for other services.
Far as I can tell, this is a very, very one-sided very narrowly partisan very political move that's happening for the most hardcore left wing extremists only.
No it lacks interesting people and is far behind the times. Its basically just a haven for liberals who got kicked off everything else
Well, the European Union spun their own server up to promote it as a Twitter alternative since Musk announced buying it.
@@colbyboucher6391 and nobody cares aboutnit except a few liberals kicked off twitter
@@travisgoesthere A few liberals? Parler is literally a Mastodon offshoot. The whole point is that if you want you can easily find servers that are just hardline free speech to the max (which, if the cutoff from you is people *kicked off of Twitter* I guess you don't actually care about free speech that much)
Thank you for pulling this information together so I can send it to my friends that keep asking and I just run out of patience to explain lol
on the bright side, at least they cared enough to ask :b
The fediverse is really cool sounding. I love this idea of an open source social networking ecosystem. It has great potential that just might go somewhere now that Twitter has new management and Facebook is bleeding money.
As for a lot of people not being on there, that's all the more reason to move there. People will be there if the userbase is there.
The nice thing about the fediverse, is that not everyone are in one place, so you GET TO avoid the mass of people that is Twitter and Facebook.
Not seeing everyone IS a good reason to be there. Let the attention-whores stay on Twitter and FB. People who want actual digital human connection should go to Mastodon and the rest of the fediverse.
It is great! I just joined today. The way it is set up is really cool. I’ve been playing on it for quite a few hours. I absolutely love it.
@@happygofishing I’m torn between Plemora and Diaspora.
@@lukaslykus9599 to many choices, most people will stay put.
@@canelbuino7087 Oh, I have no doubt most people will stay put. Creatures of habit and all that…and having to learn something new. That’s at least 2 hurdles.
I've been using Linux for decades and sincerely wish you were kicking around years earlier, so grateful for your news updates and fantastic presentation style. I never used to be bullish on Linux in the mainstream but I sure am optimistic for the future. Good job
same. but, I am beginning to see too much "political correctness" within Linux and FOSS, too, now. The smallest minority is the person who dares to think and act for him/herself. "Political correctness" destroys the individual.
I was looking for a good general description of the fediverse, and I have to say this is the best possible first video I could have clicked on. Usually, I've got to try about eight different videos before I find one that isn't just bullshit. But, this one was spot on. You told me everything I needed to know, as a beginner, in order to understand what's going on. You focused on the benefits instead of insignificant details. And you didn't try to talk so fast that nobody can keep up, like most TH-camrs think they are required to do.
having been a dev for 10 years, I can't understand at all how mastodon works, so I guess it's understandable that's it's not really blowing up
NewPipe is also a great PeerTube client for Android :)
On Mastadon you can also easily transfer your account from one to another server, if you wish so. In case the server you chose is bad and got banned by many other in example.
I am so glad you made a dedicated video. It really pisses me off when political TH-cam Talks about "how to fix social media" because they don't understand the full breadth of networking and they usually just say government regulations and think that is a solution
Thank you for introducing me to all of this. It reminds me a lot of the 1980s-early 90s networks such as Fidonet.
Yeah, it absolutely feels like what the internet used to be!
Happily been a fediverse user for years now. Really hoping to see the ecosystem grow with native apps for all platforms!
Its a hot mess and will never be mainstream. Its just twitter for liberals and nothing more
@@travisgoesthere that's rather shortsighted and inaccurate, but everyone's entitled to their opinion.
With companies its either free and you are not the consumer, you are the product
Or
Its paid and you are the consumer of their product
With most FOSS networks and programs there is no product, there is only community. You are part of a community. That is what makes them feel so good.
I'm too young to remember the older days of more decentralized internet but I really do hope it makes a resurgence because I want to see people come together for amazing things no matter how small or big.
Though I do hope peertube gets monetization that can be controlled by the person hosting the instance. Yes it would be annoying but I think it would make those platforms better for creators. I really think that Modrinth, the minecraft mod platform, could be a great example for a way of monetizing for creators, because creators who put this work in are working.
As always, great video! Keep up the great work and I love the positive attitude! I've been watching for almost a year now but have remained silent. Keep it up! I feel like the linux community is growing and your informative videos truly help that growth!
I've heard of Mastodon and PeerTube back in college. I've been checking out the hype surrounding it since Elon Musk bought Twitter, and while it's a cool concept (mainly the ActivityPub protocol), I just don't think a decentralized social network appeals to most people. Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc., may raise concerns about privacy, but the fact that they're centralized is one of their biggest strengths. If I meet a new group of friends, they're most likely to be on Facebook, but probably not Mastodon. They probably don't want to sign up for Mastodon because it can be confusing signing up and being a part of multiple instances. Facebook might be "at fault" for gaining so many users across the world and keeping them on their platform, but users are used to models like that. I could see maybe a group of people joining and creating their own instances, but at that point, people would probably just be using Discord or Reddit since people are much more familiar with them.
I think it would be great for techies that are concerned about their privacy. I might check it out again just to see how it works.
That's why I don't have any of those platforms - I care about both their and my privacy. If I had FB I'd be part of the problem and not solution. Multiple instances isn't all that confusing and the only reason most people use those mainstream platforms is because those platforms have enough income for ads and people pick between products they see in ads instead of trying to find something better on their own.
It is like email. If you pick Google as your email provider, you can email people who use Microsoft / Yahoo / etc. It isn't actually a problem in practice.
The problem isn’t multiple instances being confusing, it’s that people aren’t familiar with any instances
@@katrinabryce Young people don't use email though. Only if they have to.
@@EugeniaLoli They use it for job applications and stuff like that.
I would strongly recommend changing the title and thumbnail to mention how this is an alternative to Twitter. This will make it much easier for people who want to leave Twitter but don't know anything about the fediverse to find this video (and I imagine will give you more views as a bonus)
I’m getting started on mastodon and it’s really great to see this video explain how it connects with the Fediverse.
Thanks!
Mastodon has its own problems, but better improve it then stick to a proprietary social network you will never be able to improve
Absolutely!
*its own problems
Totally agreed!
@@DryPaperHammerBro thanks, corrected
or just dont use socmedia and then there wont be any problems
Gave mastodon a go some 1.5 year ago and couldn't get the federated aspect to make sense to me, i couldnt find people from other servers. You made me want to give it another go and I downloaded the android app. But I can't log into any server as I get stuck in the authorize screen, where clicking authorize does nothing at all for me. 😔 Guess I'll come back in another 1.5 year!
A cool explainer! Although I had heard of Mastodon and Peertube before, it was surprising to learn one can basically use a single application to follow all networks in the Fediverse. Very cool!
Had no idea that federation meant services can talk to each other, that's quite the game changer
Ironic how they, despite making not money hand over fist, still manage to best centralized ones in a few areas
I think this may be adding to the confusion, or perhaps I am the confused one.
With federation different servers running Mastodon, for example, communicate with each other so long as they choose to do so. Federation does not mean if you sign up with a Mastodon server you now have Peertube or Pixelfed accounts.
It is what XMPP (nee Jabber) does and made it a popular choice for online communities, particularly when they could federate and communicate with Google chat users. Although it always had stiff competition from TeamSpeak, Ventrilo, etc, and then Discord.
With this Twitter hub-bub going on, every online community should be looking at running their own Mastodon.
Great video! Please do a deep dive on Peertube for creators. I'd like to use it to host videos.
Now I want to know how these services deal with the server costs.
Especially Peertube since videos (especially 4k and 8k) take up A LOT of space and the speed of increasing video file sizes is outpacing the increase of storage sizes.
There aren't services but software that people host. I can host my own peertube and invite whoever I like on my instance.
@@Zephyrus0 a service is just some software which serves non-local users
@@kuhluhOG not exactly by legality but I get what you mean.
To put simply, people pay out of pocket, donations or as any other services by charging users.
As for speed issue, peertube uses BitTorrent protocol, so the more people watching would only increase the speed. Just like torrents.
@@Zephyrus0 I was talking about the technical definition where every software which serves other devices is called a service.
@@kuhluhOG I always use the legal definitions because they are more useful in most situations.
My issue with Peertube is that, since it doesn't have the CDN superpowers like TH-cam, or even Vimeo, it tends to feel like the bad old days of early TH-cam of the 2000's or even Real Player before that, but in HD. I'm not sure who would even be willing to fund any kind of CDN caching for Peertube, or the Fediverse in general, unless it's a government organization, or a Mozilla-like non-profit that's composed of as many Fediverse organizations as possible.
two questions: 1. who controls de amount of instances before it becomes a mess? 2. what to do in the event of one instance is closing?
I am asking 1. because from what I see it would be possible to each individual to create instance(s), so if everyone starts to do that it will become a mess with not, now to 2., much reliability because you would never known if the owner of the instance will shut it down. Therefore, I guess it would be interesting to know two things: 1. how to create and maintain your instance or 2. how to contribute to instances. I guess that if you could touch the idea of these four points in one video would be great :)
What did you just get me into?! I looked into it and I’m hooked. I absolutely am having a ton of fun. I managed to find you on PeerTube. I already have some followers and am following people and actually engaging with them. I feel safer and more relaxed there. I also joined Pixelfed and debating on which facebook-like service I want to use. Thank you so much for breaking it down in this video. ❤
Fedora 37 release tomorrow. What do you think should be installed on fresh Fedora to make it more complete? What I can think of:
* Flathub repository (some say to turn off Fedora Flatpak repo) for more software
* RPMFusion for NVIDIA drivers, now also h264 codes and such (apparently these are: mesa-va-drivers-freeworld mesa-vdpau-drivers-freeworld )
* Something to make GNOME default video player actually playback stuff (please do tell if you know), though mpv is also there
Anything else essential for general and media usage?
Ps. Looking forward Nobara video after 37 release from general, media and gaming usage standpoints.
Excellent video. I'm currently on Mastodon, and I'm loving it. I like that with Pixelfed you can upload and edit via the web.
Have you tried logging into either when using Tor browser? I'm wondering how private these are. If they require your IP, then they are still a bit risky.
This is one of the few videos explaining the Fediverse that doesn't feel like some cryptobro or tech hippie trying to sell me on their version of the service.
Actually feels likes it's trying to just explain it to non-techies in a non-biased fashion.
The german government has started using Mastodon through their own instance. It's pretty great seeing major organizations move.
Your video is the first one on mastedon I've watched which doesn't make me want to fall asleep or throw my phone down a flight of stairs.
Hahaha thanks 😅
Great coverage as usual!
I'm on Twitter, Reddit, Discord and Mastodon. I'm not a fan of "putting all your eggs in one basket", regardless of who owns it etc.
Thanks for the help! I didn't know about the ability of mastodon to communicate with other social medias directly in the same app, that's like really cool!
It’s pretty cool, yeah!
i doubt mastodon will replace or even be a competitor, mastodon outside of being open source (which isn't a selling point) doesn't have any compelling features that twitter doesn't have. And even then with separated instances it acts more like reddit or discord with a character limit than twitter. Plus their UI is confusing and not very user friendly, if you need a tutorial to figure out how to use an app it's not a very good app (reason why i hate FBs UI) and mastodon can be very confusing.
It’s main compelling feature is that it’s not being demolished by Musk ;) It will probably never replace Twitter but it’s already an excellent alternative
Agree. Although I love the idea of decentralization and open source, it has to offer something to the ones who don't care about who owns it and what are their policies on privacy.
@@TheLinuxEXP If that's the only compelling feature of the Mastadon network then really what is the point? At that point you may as well just use Minds which is also not controlled by Elon Musk but also tries to differentiate itself from "mainstream" non-FOSS platforms like Facebook or Twitter and actually has a USP and an actual reason you'd want to use it unlike Mastadon who's only selling point is that "We're not controlled by a single and/or multiple billionaires"
@@TheLinuxEXP considering Twitter has seen record foot traffic it seems Twitter maybe thriving in the chaos Musk stirred up. Which makes sense considering Twitters main selling point is drama and faux outrage. Plus 90% of users don't care who owns a given platform. And where better to complain about Twitter than on Twitter people have been doing it for years. I get you don't like Musk but at least try to be a little reasonable and realistic.
@@wclifton968gameplaystutorials well considering elon musk is trying to put chips in people's brains minds might be controlled in the future
I hate to admit this but, geezus this all seems VERY confusing. And I've been around computers since BEFORE the Usenet days!! :-(
This will date me. Pixelfined reminds me of the original Picasa before becoming Google Photos
So far, this sounds cool to me, but a bit confusing. I already have several services hosted on my server and want to add peertube instance. Hosting multiple services that use HTTPS is a little tricky. I roughly know how to do it, but I'm afraid to break everything. Also, I would not like to show my IP address to everyone in a row. Ah, this eternal conflict of publicity and anonymity...
But the most important thing is the practical aspect of use. What is the most convenient way to watch peertube and search for videos on a smartphone?
Have a reverse proxy server listening on port 443. I use HAProxy, but there are other options. Then have that pointing to services elsewhere. I put each service on a separate virtual machine.
I just started using pleroma client by accident when I made a mastadon account so this video came out at the perfect time for me
How do people pay for these machines hosting the different servers?
Out of pocket, donations, and subscription like any other services (usually not become people can just move to a different instance, but that option still exists and people pay)
One thing I would like to distinguish: The fediverse is not decentralized! It is federated!
That means you can not simply start a peer, connect to every other service, disconnect that peer, come back later and such... You can host a server, connecting to different other servers but this comes with a given amount of overhead. In a truly decentralized social media, you wouldn't need servers because each device acting as client is essentially its own server. This doesn't work with the fediverse because the lacking mailbox mechanisms and how it is operating. You usually don't have direct peer to peer connections to other clients.
These services are great for companies, organizations, universities or schools but they don't offer a good global solution. Because if everyone would use them, servers needed to scale in a regard that we would only create the next TH-cam, Twitter and others.
That is one of the reasons I personally don't bother federated services as much. They look great on paper but fall short in practice. Decentralized software would bring huge advantages to the FOSS community because every client could utilize individual patches as long as protocols aren't violated.
I don't think we need the next Twitter or an open-source Twitter. We need something way better. That's why I work on decentralized software.
It's decentralised, what you mean is distributed which is also decentralised.
Decentralised just means there's no one centre, which both federated and distributed systems satisfy.
@@Zephyrus0 Thing is though that most federated systems state there wouldn't be centralization but there always is to some degree.
When you look for Mastadon, you will find one server most people use (either directly for own account management or indirectly when their contacts use it). It's similar with PeerTube and even with Matrix. Maintenance of those services doesn't properly allow full decentralization in a sense that there's no difference between clients and servers.
The biggest flaw in centralization is the issue of availability. When your central server goes down, its clients can't communicate. If the fediverse was decentralized as you stated in the sense I consider the word "decentralized" should apply, nobody would care about such a server failure using the service. However when you have these federated services, there's pretty likely one server being used most (likely the main server of the organization developing the service because they have funding to maintain a bigger server than others). So when this node fails, most users will notice.
But I would like to use a "decentralized" service in a sense that users won't notice any node failing except when they request a direct connection to it during time of failure.
So sure, we can argue over definitions here. Maybe the services I'm looking for can be called "distributed". However I'm not even considering federated services to be decentralized because they lack the main benefits from that in practice.
I mean how can anything be decentralized but still require an account registration? In a decentralized service I don't have to authenticate to anyone for using it. Because moderation is always a form of centralization.
@@TheJackiMonster distributed systems also required centralisation, consider SSB for the example, even though it's fully peer to peer yet it requires hubs if you want to use it properly. and it's not an isolated case, analogues to a hub exists in every distributed systems, even the fediverse has an analogue called relays.
A hub is just a node which allows peers to find each other, that's due to the design of the internet protocol.
You need a STUN/TURN server to connect two peers because your IP addresses are hidden, your ports block and much more. The networking stack was design to make it difficult to connect people without going through a middleman.
If you want to fix the issue of centralisation, you need to fix the entire networking protocol.
@@TheJackiMonster also you definitely think of moderation as something totally different as I do. For me moderation is just a weird name for a filter, they can used in centralised way but they're not limited to that. You might wanna see how SSB does moderation while being peer to peer.
@@Zephyrus0 I think I mean something more abstract with moderation than you. What I mean is that any set of rules in a service are some form of moderation. The only rules I see applicable in a fully decentralized service are defined by its protocol. So every user interaction will not be evaluated by the service itself. Users can of course still block/filter interaction with others. But this is something which needs to be implemented on front-end level.
Very simplified you can think of as there are no terms of service. If a user has a problem with other users, they need to settle that themselves. There are no admins, no moderators and no service guarding anything. It's just a tool.
A question:
I currently have 5 different accounts on mastodon because they are in different instances, e.g. one is a news instance, another is for my country, and yet another one is for social interactions. Do I really need that many accounts or can I somehow "fuse them together" into one big account?
I've been on the internet long enough for the "pre-giant companies internet" point to hit hard.
Very interesting indeed!
If this is done smart and funds kan be found to market the platform, so many join, this could be a HARD blow to the platforms that are selling YOU today.
Thanks for making this video! I didn't understand that the different services were all connected to each other before
Thanks for creating this video and covering this topic. More people have to be aware about these federated platforms.
So I tried mastodon and find it a little confusing. Thx for that video. I will give it now a deeper look. Your videos are really superb😃
This is a wonderful video and I learned a lot about the Fediverse! Thanks for always making quality content, Nick!
This is a great primer. However, given the current trajectory of human civilization I'm seriously considering leaving this planet.
Wow, 40 years later, someone reinvented FidoNet.
So what happens when your mastodon server goes away overnight? You still lose everything correct?
This sounds like the internet in the late 90s early 2000s 👍
It isn't. It isn't anything like that. They aren't trying to re-create the Internet of the late 90s to 2000s. They're trying to maintain the tightly-controlled entirely one-sided echo chamber of 2015-2022.
That’s nonsense. You tried to push this in multiple comments and it’s just stupid. How would you make an open source, decentralized service one political side only? Anyone can create a right wing server if they want. You could, since you seem to believe hate speech is an opinion and doesn’t deserve to be banned…
@@TheLinuxEXP > " How would you make an open source, decentralized service one political side only?"
Lots of ways. One is that they build a blocklist into the clients.
> "Anyone can create a right wing server if they want."
Yeah, but the Fediverse is only for Leftists.
> "You could, since you seem to believe hate speech is an opinion and doesn’t deserve to be banned…"
Hatespeech (one word, from Orwell's Newspeak) is an opinion and doesn't deserve to be banned, since its definition is whatever speech Leftists hate and its actual content is completely fluid.
If it was very important to be a part of a social media that’s not owned by a single person, why did nobody care about it when Jack Dorsey was CEO?
It was owned by a company and shareholders, equally as bad. Like I said in the intro, having a whole network controlled either by a company or an individual is equally bad
It is bad to have these media controlled by any single individual or company. But a singularly bad behaving individual has taken over the highly visible twitter & that's why more people are complaining now.
@@TheLinuxEXP thank you for your response and I appreciate all the information you provide in your videos.
@@TheLinuxEXP I think all the Twitter users who didn't make these complains back when Jack Dorsey ran Twitter just hate African Americans.
In relative terms, there was much less to complain about when Dorsey was CEO. The problem of having a single person at the top was more theoretical and less urgent.
Isn't the idea behind one federated network with different services to access it obsolete, if we still create new accounts for every server. Wouldn't it be possible, to use pixelfed with an existing mastodon account?
I find it hard convincing all my friends and family members to make the switch so we can all talk to each other on these better and safer platforms. You even show them examples but they're stuck in their "that's inconvenient" ways of thinking and that's how they stay stuck in their ways and major tech companies know that. The majority of all consumers want convenience and fast availability.
I know one day everything will get so crazy everyone will eventually ask the question, "Is there a better option?" Of course that is when people like us need to stick with our open source mindsets so when the day comes we can help guide them and show them that you don't have to let them make money off of you and not get a cut of it. Only time will tell.
Funding will always be a major issue for these platforms. They can only operate at small to medium scale. Once you go large scale it becomes an issue
Diaspora is more like G+, friendica is more like facebook but can talk to literally everything, including twitter, until elon breaks it, and diaspora which can't talk to activitypub fediverse. Peertube isn't really ready for prime time yet, the interactions between servers isnt great and since they take so much space there aren't really nenoguh for everyone to be on a server they like. Pixelfed is my happy zen place
I hate Instagram. 50% of the content that i see is sponsored or suggestions. The other 50% is the same 10 people, over and over again. I follow 200 people and i never see 95% of their posts. I loved when the Instagram was a social media for hipsters post artistic photos with some sunburn or a black and white filter. This thing that we have now is an abomination.
It’s atrocious, yeah
I remember someone did a survey on Instagram and found roughly 80% of the post are ads, sponsorships, etc and 20% is actually from the people you follow.
I would call this Web 3.0 instead of the crypto crap
(although a good blockchain implementation is valid, most are not)
Real life "metaverse". Loving it.
As always writing a comment to support the channel
So why would i make a peertube acc and not just a mastodon acc and reach peertube from there
You can!
I had no idea about ActivityPub and the ability to interact with other services from one app! So cool!
I'm running my own server with all kinds of stuff. I tried to get Mastodon to run on it, but sadly not much luck. But I'm planing to install a better suited environment and then join.
I didn't know about the whole FediVerse thing, but love the idea and looking forward to try it out.
If you are self hosting I would recommend GotoSocial. Mastodon is really heavy
That's a cool project. And I've been seeing a lot lately (mainly because of you on Twitter and the algorithm) about the fediverse. The only thing I'm not entirely convinced about is the number of accounts that I've to create for every service, I don't understand it yet (if I post something to say in Mastodon, should I be able to just make one account in one of those services to use on every one of them? Or every single one has to have an account?)
Yes, I have a lot to learn.
They are different services so u need an account for each of them. Also they are different so mastodon is twitter like so it's not the same as peertube cuz those are video streaming.
@@DaleonM4 But also in the video he said one can follow PeerTube channels on Mastodon so why do you still need multiple accounts and what is the benefit of having an account on one versus the other if they all can show the same content anyways?
@@MrNacknime I don't remember that 🤔 anyway the cool thing os you could have it in your own server and only invite family or stuff. Cool
I've been tempted to host a Mastodon instance, but the idea of moderating seems....tiring.
I love the fediverse! Although Matrix doesn't use ActivityPub, I would still consider it part of it due to its decentralized nature.
That said, my personal biggest gripe is Clients. They are extremely hit or miss and sadly mostly miss. Like I still haven't found a good one for Windows (Sengi keeps crashing and being generally slow as hell). But aside from that, I see huge potential in these services and I will keep using it ^^.
ok, how does activity pub know that my peertube account is linked to my pixelfed and mastodon account? I'm French maybe I don't understand the subtleties of language... my pixelfed doesn't communicate with my mastodon...
This will never really work as intended. Each tiny social media entity will be hyper focused on a single belief group and will be a 10x echo chamber. Let's not forget that the most popular one will win as no one is going to use multiple. My mom, sister, or friends are not going to go looking for social media apps and then find servers to join. They will stick to FB or Twitter until they go out of business.
can i use odysse instead of peertube inside of activitypub?
I don’t think Odysee uses that protocol
Odysse is just a client for lbry which doesn't support ActivityPub
@@Zephyrus0 thanks for the answer is lbry have others apps besides the video upload plataform ? like a file storage services
@@unLinuxeroMas technically yes but it's not used in that manner as far as I know. After all it's just a blockchain (linked list)
Mastodon is NOT “basically twitter”‼️
That’s the very thing that frustrates new users. They’re told it’s like Twitter.
No.
DON’T expect it to be like twitter!
That said, it’s way better once you get over the idea of a learning curve.
Everything in life has a learning curve.
Tip: use hashtags 👏 hashtags 👏 hashtags 👏
And: FOLLOW hashtags. Yes! You can follow topics! (I can explain that if anyone wants)
Ask questions on there! Tell people you’re new and they will help.
People are nicer on there than what you will ever see on twitter.
Familiarize yourself with all of your preferences. It doesn’t take that long and it will help set you up.
I had a Diaspora account years ago. Wonder if it would still be available. "Fediverse" is an unfortunate name, however. Makes me think the Feds have something to do with it.
I have a personal hatred of Peer Tube bc I was making the exact same thing. I was almost done with the project when I learned about it too! Very sad
Wait is this the real web3
Always has been
I'm actually thinking about making a twitter account recently
So if you can use federation to follow with one account on multiple instances, why do you need multiple accounts/handles to post on each site?
Wouldn’t it be much easier to use the same handle on each service?
Is it true that a server's moderator can read all your messages.
Isn't the phone app called FediLab merely a way to _centralize_ decentralization apps? Anyone looked into that? I see the pros, but want to know the cons, too.
I wouldn't say "easily replace". People go where the content is, and the content isn't on those alternatives.
This is interesting in concept, but one of Twitter's advantages is that tweets are to the world, not to a restricted echo chamber.
Your posts aren't to the world lol, the algorithm will shoot it like everything else.
No, Twitter is itself the restricted echo chamber. You can't discuss the real issues on Twitter if you don't support globalhomo
You need to create one account for each type of service if you wanna post in that format?
What happens if the server that hosts the instance you've joined shuts down?
hey nick thanks for the video it sparked my interest in the fediverse
a couple of points tho, matrix is also federated is that also part of the fediverse? i'm not sure i see how they fit in.
i did look a bit more into it and it appears that fediverse is also a collection of protocols that allow federation one being activitypub, another being matrix and another being....diaspora?!
i'm slightly confused how this all works atm
Only the ones which use activitypub, fediverse is just the name of the network because activitypub network sounds bad.
There are other protocols but activiypub is the main one.
Hey Nick, I'm super late to this video and I decided to start trying out Mastodon, Pixelfed and...PeerTube I guess, but I wonder, how's it different than Odysee? I heard a bit about both but still can't quite understand the difference
Commenting to poke the algorithm. Good job sharing this sir.
Thank you for the information! Now I understand one account in certain instance can follow other account from other instance/platform in Fediverse, can the reverse happen? I mean, the equivalent feature of accounts (of different instance) in one page (so user doesn't have to log-out) in Twitter. E.g I have account in mastodon and pixelfed, rather than log out to use each of them, I could just change account in the app?
I tried mastodon and got confused. And I'm still confused. Lol.
If you managed to create an account, you’ve done the only hard part. The rest is exactly like Twitter!
@@TheLinuxEXP I created the account last year, but now I don't remember the instance that I created it for. Mastodon app is giving me a ton of instances to choose from. Each time I choose an instances, it doesn't recognize my password. Lol. I'll just slide it under the rug for now.
4:50 This federation thing sound very much like the old IRC networks.
I really want to get into this, is there more?
Many thanks Nick!
Can I use these FediVerse accounts if Tor is my browser or do they require my IP address?
So, if all the Fediverse services are showing the same content, what exactly is the difference between them?
Different moderators, who allow for different levels of what's allowed or not, so this way you feel safe. Also, while fediverse services can see each other's content, and post, doesn't mean that all their UIs or features are the same. For example, Pixelfed's instagram look is not the same as Mastodon's twitter look.
Very cool video! 👍
What happens to your account when your federated server is taken offline ?
What exactly you mean by taken offline? As in maintenance or shutting down forever?
If it's maintenance then it just stays offline until the maintenance is over, otherwise if you are talking about shutting down you can just move your account to a different server.
@@Zephyrus0 yes the second one if the server you are connected through is gone due to what ever reason how do you rescue your account and move it to another instance?
@@timomy8 depends on the host, if you inform you beforehand like mastodon technology, you can just move your account to a different server.
You can ask an export for your data from the instance.
A good host would keep backups and do announcements regarding the situation of the instance.
@@Zephyrus0 yep in a perfect world this would be the case and fingers crossed it works out that way. I guess this also just means to be a bit more discerning when selecting an instance and really at the end of the day we should be because nothing is ever guaranteed. Twitter is a great example of that ATM.
@@timomy8 well you can host yourself but then you have to manage it. And there are services which host for you, that's a good middle ground
Peertube does not have Android tv app. Kinda important for video app to stream videos to video devices.
I really appreciate this video.
I really like the idea of the fediverse but I wonder how it is financed. I would like to have a paid account for the fediverse to help the thing take off. Otherwise it might end up either shut down or "bailed out" by another billionaire. I think we made a mistake at the beginning of the internet : "Free as in free speech not as in free beer."
It's not a website, it's just bunch of software talking to each other which the host manages.
To improve the software, support the developers and to improve the hosts support them so they can host and manage it properly or you can host yourself or pay someone to host it for you.
@@Zephyrus0 Don't support these developers. They are actively making the world and society worse by trying to preserve the closed-off echo chamber Internet of 2015-2022.
Does tuxedo make anything similar to the surface pro?