Uploaded a full version so its easier to promote as a single product, meant to do this a week ago lol. Well here it is now. Appreciate all who watch! Follow me on twitter- twitter.com/RustyBUCKETS321
@@bosslax3162 ending like that was the plan from the beginning. the video was never intended to say who I thought the GOAT was, bc the video isn't about me. so no, I didn't take the easy way out
There are very few people on this platform with the drive to create and release an entire documentary. Not a 30-40 minute discussion piece, but a true documentary. Your channel is criminally underrated, and I think I speak for everyone when I say that the work you’re doing is appreciated in this community.
The amount of hours you put into this are ridiculous and the quality of the content shows it. I've never been so proud to be a subscriber for a TH-camr. Thank you, Rusty, for being the GOAT
Appreciate greatness....... Hands down greatest documentary I've ever seen on the greatest players in the NBA. So yes you earned my subscription. Great job!
The Last Dance is not a proper documentary, as Jordan's company was one of the producers of the project. It is a biased look at MJ's career, steers clear of his marriage/infidelity problems, and is just problematic in so many ways
True, by a large percentage of fans at least. They don't even know that he was leagues better than Kobe (a player barely in the top 15 all-time btw, let alone top 10 or goat case) and the best player of the 2000s lol, nor his carries, abilities and achievements.
@@prezian1312: I definitely, disagree with what yall said. Because yes, Tim Duncan was a great Player & a champion! But Kobe Bryant owned The Spurs in the playoff, including a 18-12 record against Tim Duncan in the playoffs.
Mingled Jester Tim Duncan kind of did more though both had 5 champions same as Kobe and 3x finals mvp compared to kobe 2x finals mvp.He was also a 2x mvp and I feel like he dominated that era.Shaq also but Kobe made the bigger impact worldwide obviously as we know.Its easily between Kobe,Tim duncan,or shaq.
@@gogobrazy9333 I feel that Duncan's also a reserved individual, who doesn't want the attention of GOAT talks, not that he'd be upset about it, it's just not important to him, so long as San Antonio loves him.
Appreciate Greatness! My favorite player of all time is Tim Duncan. I don't think I will ever forget balling in tears when I watched his jersey retirement ceremony. Despite this, I am with you completely. It annoys me how fans treat there favorite players like deity's and bash anyone who says anything against their player. I see this a lot with Kobe fans, LeBron fans and MJ fans. If I say I liked Duncan's career better, I am not stabbing Kobe's career. I'll say he was a super talented player. I just like how Duncan handled himself, his willingness to sacrifice for the team, and how he just wanted to win and did not care about flashy moments. At the end of the day, basketball is a beautiful game, and these players and others helped make it what it is. :)
I agree. I am also a big Tim Duncan fan. He is my favorite player replacing Kareem Abdul Jabbar. His demeanor and simple yet powerfully effective playing is just damn near perfect. As a teammate Tim was grounded, humble, and wasn't a stat chaser like many stars who followed. Tim's turnaround bank shot was money. It was as good as the shot we take on a billiard table. I guess if I was able to play basketball as a pro Tim Duncan would be me. I consider Kareem Abdul Jabbar the GOAT because he excelled in basketball at all levels - High School, College, and the NBA. Also when the NBA has to ban the league's most dynamic and signature shot, the slam dunk, because of you, that speaks volumes. What's amazing is Kareem developed the most unstoppable shot in the history, the skyhook. No one has been able to repeat it.
Someone explain how this LEGEND has only 37K subscribers?? This is the most dedication I have ever seen out of a TH-camr. loved this documentary my G keep it up
sorry to make an arguement but john stockton is not overrated nor underrated. the definition of your all around point guard SUMMARY Career G 1504 PTS 13.1 TRB 2.7 AST 10.5 FG% 51.5 FG3% 38.4 FT% 82.6 eFG% 54.6 PER 21.8 WS 207.7 9x AST Champ 2x STL Champ 11x All-NBA 5x All-Defensive 1992-93 AS MVP\ 10x All-Star John Stockton John Houston Stockton Position: Point Guard ▪ Shoots: Right 6-1, 170lb (185cm, 77kg) Born: March 26, 1962 (Age: 58-111d) in Spokane, Washington us Hall of famer and the reason his starts arent that good is bc he played into his 40's
This is my fourth time watching this documentary on legends in the NBA. It is so well done and through. I wish Hakeem and Shaq were included however. Great work Rusty Buckets!!!!
Hello uploader, I am a 37y.o guy from Sydney City, Australia, and I'd like to commend you on your extensive, effective and overall excellently presented videos, with this particular offering being my favourite. My favourite scene in this video is at 2:29:00 because the way you slam the book closed and nonchalantly toss it away - having directly proceeded the comprehensive analysis and breakdown of the GOAT candidates - simultaneously portrays how arduous and enduring the task was and yet also how seemingly indifferent you are to the mammoth amount of work you have done. Good to see some humour amongst the intense and rigid nature of the presentation!
It's an amazing video. Two things bothered me however. 1. I would also bring Shaq and Hakeem into the conservation. 2. When you discussed the help each player had you didn't count coach and management.
@SunamiKilla Wilt was a center and the average center at the time was 6'10, Shaq actually had it easier. Shaq would sometimes get shut down by Dennis Rodman who was 100 lbs less than him. Take Dennis Rodman, add 50~60 lbs, add 6 inches of height, add some vert, and sacrifice no speed or athleticism and that is Wilt Chamberlain.
Wilt said to Jordan, "The difference between you and me is that they had to change the rules, so I couldn't dominate. They changed the rules for you so that you could dominate.“
@@pixelmasque The average height in the league when Wilt played was 6' 6" and today the average is 6' 7". Not a significant difference and nobody can accurately call the league when Wilt played "tiny." That's a silly argument that uninformed people keep tossing around because they think it makes them look smart. The hand check rule was changed mostly because of Jordan and the league wanting more offense. Refs also gave Jordan favorable treatment, ignoring his fouls on defense, calling fouls with Jordan on offense if somebody farted on his leg, The refs also always gave Jordan the five steps he needed for a dunk. You sound like someone who never saw Wilt play.
@@gaarou8231 Wilt didn't have any talent around him until he won the championship in Philly. He sacrificed his game that year to get his teammates involved and led the league in assists, the only center to ever do that. Bill Russell had much better talent around him when the Celtics were racking up all of those rings, not even arguable. Wilt played on the Lakers with Elgin Baylor, Jerry West, and Gail Goodrich. They won a championship. Silly comment calling Wilt a choker but you are entitled to your opinion.
I watched each of these as they came out, and just watched them all again in their entirety. This is the best video I've seen on this platform and one of the top 5 documentaries I've ever seen on any. Well done!
Great documentary. One stat line for MJ. You said he struggled when returning from injury avg ONLY 22 pts. He did that on a 15 min per game minute count while supposed to be tanking. Made playoffs anyways and 22 pts!
That there showed bad league was then add is Jordan put over isaiah when Jordan never did nothing earn it. Isaiah beat real Lakers and Boston Where never beat Boston only beat fake lakers
@Lance Dela Cruz the league is so much more talented today. Those “good” 90’s rosters would get their heads beat in by top teams today. Don’t beleive? Which one of mikes teams beat the 17 or 18 warriors. You can pick anyone of his teams he got a ring with, and they still lose in 5 to the warriors. The 90’s era is overall af
@@Christian_Armenian True...great points by the way...MJ stat line in that "86 playoff series was 43.7 ppg 6.3 rpg 5.7 apg 2.3 spg 1.3 blks and that was with double and triple teams they( the '86 Celtics won) but they couldn't stop MJ... then again back then who could.
If MJ didn't break his foot or retire for 1 year and a half and then retired for 4 or 5 years he probably would have been the All Time Leading Scorer or at least 2nd passing Karl Malone. But missing Lakers and Spurs fighting for a title every year holding my breath and gasping every play down the court. Injuries and age will not let any other dynasties happen, I don't count Warriors-Cavs rivalry bc it was kinda 1-sided
The hours you spent and dedication to create such a great G.O.A.T.mentary video. Salute to you. This is much appreciated and you deserve more subscribers and more views. Rusty is the 🐐
Honestly the best made video on the GOAT debate I’ve ever seen and I still come back to watch it years later. Hopefully in 10 years we’ll get a part two where guys like Giannis luka or curry can be included
Surely this is an unbiased documentary and l have no problems with any of the selections you made. l love how this documentary shows the flaws and strengths of each of these greats. lt is good to know that each of these players is great in their own way, but their flaws also make them natural, rather than the superhumans some like to make certain players out to be.
damn i finally got around to watching this and this is like a legit documentary like something that can be put on ESPN as a special. you have such an underrated channel. this was actually amazing. good job rusty much love always.
Wonderful video! Bill Russell was not 1st team (11) times, he was 1st team (3) times, 2nd team (8) times. During Chamberlain's career, Russell was 1st team (2) times to Chamberlain's (7). So Bill had the rings, Wilt had the individual accolades.
I go back and forth on them so much. I go with Russell because I don't believe that Wilt would have won as many titles with the supporting cast. He'd be favored every year but IDK if he'd win all of them.
@jay are fully understood, i wish it were like that today. Lebron would have had his MVPs still yet. Kobe would have had more than 1. Jordan might have had 10. Don't know if Duncan or Garnett get theirs if you let the players vote.
funny how you mention the .conspiracy' around mj's retire, but didn't mention exactly why he came back to the wiz..... it was not for 'the love of the game' but was a request by management to get ratings and increase ticket sales, in return once mj retires he would be able to go back to his role as bball ops with ownership options.....this was the only real reason he came back to play with the wiz. but when he retired, the owners declined him the role and ownership option, which pissed him off and the rest is history
Mj claimed he missed the game of basketball and decided to return with a low contract expecting to return b-ball operations he also wanted to play alongside the number one draft pick he recommended to chose he pushed the first overall draft pick kwame brown to the point where he claimed he felt ashamed of himself for not living up to mj’s expectations. The wizards didn’t take him back as b-ball ops because of the way he trash talked the staff and fellow players at the time
MJ still loved the game it was just a case of 2 birds one stone. Before he was injured he averaged 25 6 5. There is no way at 38 or 39 you averaging that and playing your heart out does not equate for love of the game.
There is only one GOAT! You are the GOAT for making this documentary, I have so much respect for you and for the hours you put on this, it was just amazing! As you said the GOAT label is very subjective and is also generational and local, I'm sure a 70 year old person living in Boston would probably say Bill is the Goat for instance, anyway really good job I enjoyed it!
I agree with this comment 100%. Respect for the time, dedication, and the final product. This is ESPN level quality. I hope you’re making some money from this, even if it is a passion project.
Duncan was 5-1 in the finals, knocked off the three time champ lakers, 3 finals mvp's. Was a miracle Ray Allen shot from 6-0 in the finals. Not to shabby
@@MrOctober44 Duncan is one of the most overrated players of all time. Two of his finals victories are illegitimate in my view, especially against the Cavs. That was the first finals where the NBA completely abandoned the rules. It was like the cavs were playing by the rules, and the spurs weren't. Every screen Duncan set was a moving screen. Every time Parker, Ginobili, and Leonard drove to the basket, or did that handoff play around the perimeter, they traveled. I remember one play where Parker traveled, double dribbled, carried, and committed an up and down violation, in the same play, and it was a top play! This finals turned me off nba basketball. It was a farce, and one of the worst displays of basketball I've ever seen. They traveled so much that the defense would jump at the wrong time! The cavs got cheated out of that one. I can't consider that a real championship. Overrated! Two undeserved rings. He was a great, but is super overrated
Best and most thorough GOAT video I’ve seen on TH-cam. I hated Jordan for his whole career, and, as a Lakers fan, I wish I could say Jabbar, Magic or Kobe was the best, but, alas, Jordan is the GOAT.
Why you hated Michael Jordan if he was in the Eastern Conference his whole career and thus didn't prevent the Lakers from making the NBA Finals and the Lakers only made the NBA Finals once in his prime.
Pill Box I hated Jordan too, but for a different reason. The shine he took off of Scottie Pippen’s achievements, to put himself on that GOAT Pedestal. Pippen if you look at his achievements is a 85% LeBron James, just like Kobe is a 85% Micheal Jordan. Jordan has a career 48% win-rate WITHOUT Scottie Pippen, he had 0 of 5 winning seasons, and was 1-10 in the playoffs overall without him(the east was top-heavy, like now, so sub-500 teams made the playoffs in those 3 seasons) . Jordan also lost a critical playoff game 7 in 1995 when Pippen was out with a Disability, BUT the blame still gets put on Pippen for missing the game , and not Jordan for not being able to win without Pippen by his side. Jordan is only the GOAT, when he had Pippen by his side. Then his career win rate goes up to 68% when they are together, and 6-5 for winning their conference. Together, the Jordan-Pippin Bulls were THE GREATEST DUO OF ALL TIME.
Doctor Cthulhu what series are you talkin about? If it’s the 95 ecf pippen played every game and that only went 6 .That was MJs return year. What game 7 are you talking about?
@@GoatPopsicle The shine he took away? Jordan was the one who made Pippen who he was. And you act like as soon as Scottie showed up and made a huge difference to Jordan winning when in fact he was a bench player and only averaged 7 ppg. Last I checked it's a TEAM game to win, Jordan is THE GOAT for how truly great he was, but even he can't win and do it all himself so Scottie was his Robin.
@@GoatPopsicle Pippen is not LBJ 85% pippen was a great 2nd option but there is no way he was a HOF if he was not on the bulls. Jordan Pushed him to who he was he was also guarding MJ in oractice which made him very good. Pippen scored 0 pts in game 7 of 1990 ECF throwing the game away he was not an allstar in 1991 as well. Lmao.
Appreciate greatness! What an amazing video, man! I love the transition from player to player and level to level concept with the flipping pages of a book. And the content it self with all its information and entertaining delivery: this is just TOP NOTCH! seriously!
This is a well thought out and well produced documentary! Absolutely love the quality and amount of knowledge of the game's history you've included. I also appreciate your objectivity for the candidates you've listed.
Pretty impressive creation man. Should be MAKING a living doing these. I wanna see a PRO boxing and NFL football one just as detailed as these. Excellent
Jon Dubois/chart party/sbnation / I'm probably forgetting another associated channel or two also have some really fantastic long form sports analysis deep dive videos
GREATNESS...is what this video is! I have been listening while at home doing yard work husband and daddy duties. You put a lot of interesting information in the video. I enjoyed the way you put it together. Well done!
First of all very very good video/documentary. Goatmentary it is. MJ had the least help points among them but placed 2nd in championships. Just saying.. He is the perfect mix of individual greatness as Wilt and team success as Russell.
@jason roman dude you do realize that all those teams had 60+ wins, a great coach, and also they had to get through the tough eastern conference every year
jason roman you cant mic drop to something that’s wrong. Jordan made more all defense team then Lebron and has a DPOY so saying all he had do was score is incorrect. Also Lebron has only been without another all in his first stint in Cleveland and 2018 in Cleveland. In those he never won anything of note except individual accolades, and those teams never beat good teams as the east was always weak. Now Lebron still was the main catalyst but they had a great system of shooters that could space the floor for Lebron, and they played good team basketball, but last time I checked he didn’t win any rings no DPOY’s and he was swept in the finals. So even if he carried he didn’t win also in 2018 he got past a injured Celtics team, a good raptors team I’ll give you that, but saying he did everything is wrong when he didn’t make an all defensive team for the past 5 years, he’s been sitting out games, and that 2018 Cavaliers team was last in defensive rating, so clearly if he was doing everything he wasn’t doing it well. So if he was carrying he never won without another all star. So what are we left with, he’s won 3 chips with 2 assists other all stars where both teams lost more in the finals then they won (I’ll give him a pass in Cleveland.) but also he’s never won 60 games in Cleveland and they were a bad defensive team. Also last time I checked Jordan always had a 60 win season and was top 3 in the league for defensive rating every season. Also stop with the bullshit about pippen. Jordan in 1987 where he didn’t have any other all star but pippen was a rookie averaging 7 ppg, and got to the ECF and was beaten by the pistons who had the far superior team, but no Jordan just couldn’t win without pippen but for Lebron when he gets to the finals and gets swept and he shoots poorly from the field and gets shut down defensively by the spurs no he doesn’t have enough help bro be consistent with your arguements.
jason roman also you see how you are trying to downplay the dominance of the bulls who won 6 chips (btw Dennis Rodman wasn’t there on the first one) that Jordan had so much help when Rusty Buckets just showed you that Jordan had less help, but also nobody other then him and Scottie averaged over 15 ppg where as Lebron had more all stars he’s played with and has a worse winning percentage than MJ though MJ has less help. Also MJ went to the ECF three times before making the finals where the pistons set up the whole defense around just stopping him, not pippen (who was averaging only like 12 ppg at the time) because and I’m quoting them that no one else on that team could beat them. Also you can penalize Jordan for having help that’s not fair no Goat player can win without help, I’m just saying that fuck the times Lebron carried, but I care about the times he actually won, and as far as I can see when he was actually in a contending position he had more help, and less rings to show for it MIC 🎤 DROP
In the year that Wilt averaged 50.4ppg for a season (1961-62), Wilt's Warriors ended up losing to Russell's Celtics in the 1962 playoffs in 7 games by just 2 points. It said in the video that they lost in 6 games, so I am making the correction here.
That's actually the counterargument to Russell in the top 5 convo. He has all the titles but look at home team winning percentage that decade. It was like 75% most years. The Celtics were stacked so always had the 1 seed and Wilt almost always pushed them to 7. So even though the leagues were smaller, the Celtics didn't exactly dominate teams.
@@reuvenroslynesq8954 The Celtics took it easy during the regular season but would hit nitrous in the playoffs and finals. Bill Russell is perfect in the playoffs. The lie that the celtics had it really easy, in particular because of less teams and the other lie that there were nothing but short caucasians, is a cope because what Bill Russell achieved is supposed to be impossible.
Great video, I would like to point out a two things though: 1) Bill Russell and Wilt definitely are a part of this conversation. However, for at least half-2/3 of their careers, the NBA only had between 8-12 teams with a vastly different Playoff format. Winning 11 Championships when Boston has an automatic first round bye, then needs to win a Best of 5 followed by a Best of 7 in the championship is way easier than the grueling modern era regular season/playoffs we have today. The season was also shorter with only 72 games in a regular season as opposed to 82 today. There is a good chance with more teams and more games, Bill's body would not have sustained the excellency he had in his career. 2) Your "Help Modifier" was an interesting metric, however I feel what would have been more fair was to have the metric be measured as a per season number. Kobe had multiple years of help from Shaq and Magic had the majority of his career with Kareem. However, both of those are measured the same way as LeBron's 4 season with Miami, the last of which was clear Wade was not the same player as he once was. Overall, great video and it was a fun watch. Props to the production quality given the size of your channel. Hope you continue to grow this! Maybe remake the video in another 3-4 years since I very well believe Steph Curry who basically changed the modern NBA game will eventually be part of this list as well.
Over FlightReacts we all know he was the first player to score 1000 points in ONE game and won 12 mvps with 20 finals championship but of course since he played during the older times the cameras wasn’t turned on at the time since technology was limited back in his time
The time you put into this... wow! Though I had to cringe when hearing the era MJ played in brought into question. Glad you included Bird in the discussion as he certainly belongs. And I think his case is stronger than you put on. I think it's MJ and Kareem has the best argument of everyone else.
Magic, Bird, and Duncan were great, great players and if you were doing top 10 all time they're all worth considerations but neither I think is in anyones consideration for the GOAT, this argument has always been about the fab 5 MJ., Kareem, Russell, Chamberlain or Lebron
In my opinion MJ is the goat but he did player in one of the lesser talented eras. Not because there wasn't enough talent but bcuz it was only one of those dudes per team. Ewing, Hakeem, Drexler, Robinson, Barkley, Reggie, Grant Hill had no second star. There were literally only a handful of teams who did. And even if they did they were not as good as Pippen. Mourning had Tim hardaway. Shaq had Penny who was only really good for like 2 in a half seasons and the same thing for gary payton and shawn kemp. The only other most consistent duo was Stockton and Malone but by the time they started making it out of the west the bulls had a third star in Rodman so yeah. Also how else can you explain having the least amount of help points but also going 6 and 6 in the finals.
I've been a fan of Lebron ever since 2003, and for years I personally believed Lebron was the G.O.A.T. But as I started to play, watch and learn about the game it becomes more and more clear to me that M.J is and will remain the G.O.A.T, at least for another couple of decades. Out of everyone, Lebron and Kareem probably have the strongest argument against MJ in that they sustained their peak for such a long time to set mind blowing numbers/records. If your category for defining G.O.A.T is longevity and sustained greatness then I'd put Lebron, Kobe and Kareem all above MJ, but none of the 3 greats quite reached the peak that MJ has reached. MJ's prime/peak is just a tad better than anyone and everyone who has played whether it is in advanced metric, basic numbers and more importantly just pure eye test. Though I think it is pointless to discuss who the best player is out of the players that played in different eras, I think if you look closely enough the evidences will show who the greatest is.
@James Robert no I just don't value Kareem dominating a weak era in the 70s and his Lakers titles that highly because of all the help he had while being a second option for the majority of them
I've bot played basketball and followed the NBA and NCAA basketball..growing up in the Bulls era..I was big on MJ and Pip..but those were great times to watch basketball and so many great players. But MJ is my GOAT personally..no disrespect. All 9 of these hall of famers were the ones who brought excitement to the game and to millions of living room TVs
yeah nearly perfect except for the fact that he never won back to back and he had many seasons where he lost as a favorite and several seasons where he lost in the first round.
@@raferalstonisgoat4457 well I mean he also never missed the playoffs so its inevitable that he loses in the first round from time to time Kareem missed the playoffs Jordan did with the wizards Lebron has as well
@@NM-gr7cs Bron has in his rookie season and his first year with the Lakers. Both times he had subpar talent. He also has spent over 50% of his career in the Finals. Jordan was 40 and was playing with subpar talent with the Wizards.
I’m not one to comment but I watched each of these individually and now all together. I don’t watch documentaries really at all but please appreciate the greatness of this. We all have the right to determine our own GOAT. Thank you Rusty for this. I don’t believe SHAQ is the GOAT but if you ever have time would love a video like this for one!
I actually watched this whole video, 10/10, this was like watching a movie, thanks for the effort on it, it’s appreciate by NBA fans everywhere #appreciategreatness
Michael Jordan comes out of retirement at age 58 and joins the Hornets... Reporter: "Why Mike?" MJ: "I don't even know who Tuffa Dan is, but when I read his comment, I took it personal...."
This documentary is so so so so on top. For the first time as a Jordan Fan, I have begin to give respect to these other guys. But I still have to admit that the fear that MJ instilled in opponents and his competitiveness puzzles me. That may not be something to consider in GOAT debate but whenever I whatch MJ stories, I wonder what the hell he was.
Bill didn't inspire fear. He inspired frustration. It didn't feel like he was dominating. Just that he would win at the end of the day. And with wilt, he went out of his way to not hurt his opponents. He had the opposite attitude of shaq who wanted people to be scared of playing against him
@@yomamenification People quit when the heat is too much to take but all basketball fans know why MJ retired twice ans they don't discredit him for it.....unless you don't know the circumstances involved😃😃😃😃
@@yomamenification because he had achieved it all. He was already in the goat conversation in 1994. He didn't quit because he could achieve anything. He quited because he had achieved all he wanted and everyone including LeBron knows it except you.
@@yomamenification the single dumbest "take" on anything concerning MJ that I have ever seen. What color is the sky in your world? Does it really bother you _that much_ that the single greatest Basketball Player in History was also good enough to play Baseball? Or is it that, AFTER he came back, he continued to dominate the greatest collection of Talent/Era in NBA History? If that's the case, then I understand you being an utter fool. There are plenty of fans in NY, LA, Miami, Indianapolis, etc, whom you could commiserate with. They all know who the greatest ever is... Trying to claim that Michael Jordan was a "quitter" is so unfathomably ridiculous that it really doesn't even deserve any more mentions.
@@yomamenification Jordan wanted yo three peat. Period. He didn't want to win two consecutive chips and rest there. He wanted to win multiple championship to establish himself alongside Larry Bird and Magic and he did that. His dad died and he lost motivation to play anymore. Period. You can believe what you want.
So Mj won the most in the modern era with the least amount help and retired twice. Plus being second only to Wilt in individual accomplishments. Is there even a question?
Thank you Curly. The myth that Jordan carried a bunch of scrubs to 6 titles is ludicrous. In 93 the Bulls won 57 games, in 94 with Jordan playing baseball, those bums plummeted all the way to 55 wins. The first few years, yeah, but after 87 when Pip, Ho Grant and Phil Jackson came on board, MJ had help and a ton of it.
The bulls benches were ass....yall don't know hoop....joe Kline, jus buchler, James Edwards, will pursue, Stacey king etc... the only help was from the greatest shooter of all time Craig Hodges(go look at the 3pnt contest curry nor Thompson or anybody else still ain't caught him and they get a whole rack of money balls), y'all got a lot to learn fam. Stop making bullshit comments!
Winnie Tsui the 94 bulls were a much different team than 93 dude🤦♂️ they had all the main guys from 93 and added kukoc Kerr wennington longley .. team was loaded!
Honestly when I think about it Tim Duncan is the 3rd best player of all time. He had some of the toughest competition ever. The Lakers with Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe. The big 3 Heat. He had go against KG and Drik. Who both played in the west. With a that competition he won 5 championships.
But honestly to me it goes Mj lebron then Kobe, ill pick them 3 players before anybody in history idc game on the line them my go 2 guys period..And Kareem was great 2 but ill take Shaq anyday.
Tim duncan is one of the best ever. He didnt need to be explosive. He just dominated and won. He played basketball how it is meant to be played. Being flashy doesn't mean your great
2:12:19 He didn't miss out on the playoffs because of lack of quality. He got a groin injury and as usual his team collapsed and lost their spot in the playoffs. He came back too late and couldn't reverse the damage caused by his absence.
Hakeem was clearly the BEST player after Jordan went on his 2 year hiatus. That 94-95 Championship was special because my Houston Rockets were the first lower seed to win it all against 3 teams that won 60+games and 1 team that won almost 60 games. They were the 6th seed when they won their second title.
Hakeem should have been there over bill russell. BR is overrated and need a 6 all star team to win against wilt as his only competor, until walt frazier and willis reed came along
Very concise comparison, lots of research and lots of consideration to what each was able to accomplish and also how much help they were able to receive. Kudos
@@busterboy23 bruh u cant say ya lebron is and then say we all have different opinions Say it with chest Bitch jordan is the greatest of all time if u dont think so ur dumb Cmon
How’re you dumb if you don’t think Jordan is the GOAT..? If anything, you’re the dumb one, I mean c’mon. We all know Brian Scalabrine is the GOAT, man.
Whenever arguments are told this or basketball discuss this way and when I finally move pass on who I think is goat or what player I think is better than the next I fully started to really appreciate basketball and the nba and it’s history. Look at how many great players we got and get to witness and we are not close to being done by a long shot.
Appreciate greatness!!! Man I do wish you get to read this, I had so much fun watching this documentary I want to thank you for this effort. Keep up the good work!
@@martinezjourney6759 lololol.. the thing is, this discussion was ended the first time Lebron lost in the finals. The guy can get 4 more rings still won't matter.
Great points and including Duncan was awesome. My personal list is as follows Jordan Kareem Russell/wilt Magic/bird Kobe Lebron Hakeem/shaq Duncan/big O
@Wei wu wei he is in his third year hasnt been in the mvp convo ever he isnt bad but MJ averaged 37 5 and 5 as the shooting guard in his 3rd year on a worse team you probably cant name a player from that team without looking it up
@@metalsadman I think you're correct about more people thinking mj is better but I think mj was more of a brand than lbj he was put into a team of Scottie pippen who was one of the best players in the NBA and Dennis rodman who was one of the best defenders in the NBA aswell as one of the best coaches all time LeBron was drafted to the Cavs who after he left were the worst team in the league then the heat days where he had some talent around him although not the level of talent Jordans team had and LeBron shone and arguably the most talented team he has been on was the Cavs in their finals win against the 73-9 Warriors in that team Kyrie who was a star but has since negatively affected any team he's been on and Kevin love who was on the decline with this team he managed to beat the warriors who had Kevin Durant an all time great scorer Stephen Curry the best player in the league behind LeBron Draymond green one of the best defensive players in the league if not all time and Klay Thomson one of the best shooters of all time and iguodala who is a decent player and Steve Kerr who is an all time great coach not to mention LeBron had lue as a coach who very much was below average not to mention lebron was getting older at this time for any player to be able to over come those odds is insane Jordan was very much a incredible player but he did get alot of help and his teams performance is arguably worse than LeBron's teams performances LeBron has less rings but he also has never lost in the first round and the amount of times he has made finals considering the teams he was on and if you look at win rates before and after LeBron left his team the bulls lost 2% more games the cavs went from a top 8 team to a bottom 2 team twice and excluding the season where bron was injured the Lakers went from one of the worst teams to one of the best he is the most talented player I mean just look at his basketball iq and his athleticism aswell as this strength he can play any position on the floor proven by him playing pg he is efficient from three from mid range and from in the paint there is nothing LeBron can't do on the floor
i’ve played, coached and watched b ball for over 50 years. Anyone who thinks MJ isn’t the greatest simply never saw him play. I don’t care one iota about highlight clips. they’re irrelevant except to point out clutch moments. Michael would go entire games without doing anything spectacular, that’s not what wins games. He would relentlessly score on mid range shots, in transition, or at the rim in the half court and find teammates when they were open. He was unstoppable and never let off the intensity, he played every game and every minute. He was the ultimate irresistible force that broke the opponent, as he did it on both ends of the floor. As one of the greatest defenders of all time, his opponents never had a moment to rest, mentally or physically. His competitiveness, confidence and leadership were also unparalleled. He was more of a Patton type of leader, not warm and fuzzy, but his teammates were forced to achieve a higher level and care more about winning than they ever had; the alternative was far too unpleasant. You never see any of that in highlights, only his spectacular aerial displays with some of his iconic clutch plays ( which is legit) sprinkled in. Entertaining, but completely fails to capture why he was the greatest player, not just the greatest athlete. His true greatness, if you watched him live, was that you KNEW he was going to win, you knew it. He took control of the outcome and there was never any doubt. Barry Bonds at the plate his last few years was the only athlete I ever saw where you knew the outcome was a foregone conclusion. MJ never even went to a single game 7 in the playoffs. Traditional stats showing 35/ game in the playoff on over 50% shooting, near record steals, etc are illustrative, but look at advanced stats, they show just how much more dominant he was than anyone else.
It's funny how the excuse for Jordan winning is everyone got old- really they draft happens every year. Jordan played when the east was the dominant conference. So Jordan didn't have that beast to go against because he was the beast. That's call total domination of a career.
@@TheLivingPizza4 No, beco the east sucked. He is 3-6 in the finals really shows you how a lot of times he did not deserve going in the finals. LBJ lost to an aging mavs and Spurs team. MJ was winning at 35 yrs old. LBJ has the most help wade is top 5 irving is top 10 bosh and love was top 15 before joining LBJ with a bunch of rewlly good starters and role players. Now he has Top 5 player in the league in davis and a bunch of exceptional role pplayers Davis is top 1 big man by the way too much help to go 3-6. Bot a goat.
@@deciphertwentythree7726 bulls won 55 games without mj made the ecsf, replaced him with Pete Myers and only won 2 less games, without mj and u want to talk about lebron had too much help?
@@JahleelX-xx9wd Pretty sure the 1994 season was they added Toni Kukoc lmao. Are you dumb? Also they still have their system while on the other hand LBJ is the fucking system on the teams he plays the coach has to accomodate his play style and build around him with spot shooters etc. for example. MJ was coachable and a good off ball player while LBJ is not even close when he leaves his team they collapse because the team is built around him.
I rarely comment and have just barely kept with the NBA, etc. Well done! Your final words were well put and needed to be heard by those who believe there can only be One.
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Uploaded a full version so its easier to promote as a single product, meant to do this a week ago lol. Well here it is now. Appreciate all who watch!
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Thank you Rusty
You took the easy way out of a decision at the end of the video. Research must have been insane though
@@bosslax3162 He didn't take the easy way out, he did the right thing because there ISN'T a definitive answer and its heavily opinionated
@@bosslax3162 ending like that was the plan from the beginning. the video was never intended to say who I thought the GOAT was, bc the video isn't about me. so no, I didn't take the easy way out
@@hugovazquez7533 I know, I just wanted to hear his take since he would know it best because of all the work he did.
You forgot Wilt’s most impressive stat of all:
Over 20,000 women
:)
10000 women??
Magic: Hold my beer
ippolit42 6 LMFAOOO woah wait wilt did pass kinda young
It was 20000
TheReasonOfficial even more impressive
There are very few people on this platform with the drive to create and release an entire documentary. Not a 30-40 minute discussion piece, but a true documentary. Your channel is criminally underrated, and I think I speak for everyone when I say that the work you’re doing is appreciated in this community.
The amount of hours you put into this are ridiculous and the quality of the content shows it. I've never been so proud to be a subscriber for a TH-camr. Thank you, Rusty, for being the GOAT
Bro I feel the same exact way as you🐐🐐
Same
Yeah, for real... how can ANYONE who has ever seen a basketball give this video a downvote?!?
They gotta watch their stuff. I feel like the editing could be better
@@smooth-handle shut up a small TH-cam made a 2 hour documentary at a time when he was a amateur
Appreciate greatness....... Hands down greatest documentary I've ever seen on the greatest players in the NBA. So yes you earned my subscription. Great job!
This isn’t a documentary, it’s a legendary movie
Yes sir board man
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This is the best basketball documentary I've ever seen crazy to think it was made by a TH-camr. The level of quality is unrivaled.
Just wait till u see the last dance
The last dance wasn’t as good as this I only learned a few new things from that documentary
The Last Dance is not a proper documentary, as Jordan's company was one of the producers of the project. It is a biased look at MJ's career, steers clear of his marriage/infidelity problems, and is just problematic in so many ways
@@jot2b infidelity?
Watch Clayton Crowley's 8 part series on the GOAT debate. Much better.
I love that you included Tim Duncan. He is severely underrated by a large percentage of fans.
Appreciate greatness.
I agree and im not even a spurs fan
True, by a large percentage of fans at least.
They don't even know that he was leagues better than Kobe (a player barely in the top 15 all-time btw, let alone top 10 or goat case) and the best player of the 2000s lol, nor his carries, abilities and achievements.
Dusk TheHunter facts he was the best player do the 2000s.
@@prezian1312: I definitely, disagree with what yall said. Because yes, Tim Duncan was a great Player & a champion! But Kobe Bryant owned The Spurs in the playoff, including a 18-12 record against Tim Duncan in the playoffs.
Mingled Jester Tim Duncan kind of did more though both had 5 champions same as Kobe and 3x finals mvp compared to kobe 2x finals mvp.He was also a 2x mvp and I feel like he dominated that era.Shaq also but Kobe made the bigger impact worldwide obviously as we know.Its easily between Kobe,Tim duncan,or shaq.
This is the most comprehensive analysis at all time. Without recency bias and all. Appreciate Greatness!
Crazy how Duncan was here, so underrated but damn did this man WIN AND DOMINATE. The big fundamental is a legend.
Yeah crazy how we forget the basics. Everyone wrap into kobie mj and lebron.
@@gogobrazy9333 I feel that Duncan's also a reserved individual, who doesn't want the attention of GOAT talks, not that he'd be upset about it, it's just not important to him, so long as San Antonio loves him.
@@arsonhakobyan yeah I agree, and either way everyone knows how good he is so it’s a win win for him
It’s even more crazy that both Dunkin and Kobe is on here yet shaq wasn’t included
@@str8duval Shaq reached the highest apex of the three, but I don't know about career?
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My favorite player of all time is Tim Duncan. I don't think I will ever forget balling in tears when I watched his jersey retirement ceremony. Despite this, I am with you completely. It annoys me how fans treat there favorite players like deity's and bash anyone who says anything against their player. I see this a lot with Kobe fans, LeBron fans and MJ fans. If I say I liked Duncan's career better, I am not stabbing Kobe's career. I'll say he was a super talented player. I just like how Duncan handled himself, his willingness to sacrifice for the team, and how he just wanted to win and did not care about flashy moments. At the end of the day, basketball is a beautiful game, and these players and others helped make it what it is. :)
I agree. I am also a big Tim Duncan fan. He is my favorite player replacing Kareem Abdul Jabbar. His demeanor and simple yet powerfully effective playing is just damn near perfect. As a teammate Tim was grounded, humble, and wasn't a stat chaser like many stars who followed. Tim's turnaround bank shot was money. It was as good as the shot we take on a billiard table. I guess if I was able to play basketball as a pro Tim Duncan would be me. I consider Kareem Abdul Jabbar the GOAT because he excelled in basketball at all levels - High School, College, and the NBA. Also when the NBA has to ban the league's most dynamic and signature shot, the slam dunk, because of you, that speaks volumes. What's amazing is Kareem developed the most unstoppable shot in the history, the skyhook. No one has been able to repeat it.
Sean Swinton i agree on everything except the last sentence... the skyhook was blocksd twice by Wilt
@@QuinnClips247 Dirk should be in the goat conversation. He defeated both lebron and kobe in 2011
Someone explain how this LEGEND has only 37K subscribers?? This is the most dedication I have ever seen out of a TH-camr. loved this documentary my G keep it up
petty easy. saying john stockton is the mst overrated player ever is flat out bullshit and i cant take this kid 100% serious since he said that
Roflcopter Ausdertiefe He just might be the most overrated player
sorry to make an arguement but john stockton is not overrated nor underrated. the definition of your all around point guard
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Career
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1504
PTS
13.1
TRB
2.7
AST
10.5
FG%
51.5
FG3%
38.4
FT%
82.6
eFG%
54.6
PER
21.8
WS
207.7
9x AST Champ
2x STL Champ
11x All-NBA
5x All-Defensive
1992-93 AS MVP\
10x All-Star
John Stockton
John Houston Stockton
Position: Point Guard ▪ Shoots: Right
6-1, 170lb (185cm, 77kg)
Born: March 26, 1962 (Age: 58-111d) in Spokane, Washington us
Hall of famer and the reason his starts arent that good is bc he played into his 40's
FLAMEHOUND When we got people calling him top 5, yeah he’s overrated
Cause he video was a little off
This is my fourth time watching this documentary on legends in the NBA. It is so well done and through. I wish Hakeem and Shaq were included however. Great work Rusty Buckets!!!!
Hello uploader,
I am a 37y.o guy from Sydney City, Australia, and I'd like to commend you on your extensive, effective and overall excellently presented videos, with this particular offering being my favourite.
My favourite scene in this video is at 2:29:00 because the way you slam the book closed and nonchalantly toss it away - having directly proceeded the comprehensive analysis and breakdown of the GOAT candidates - simultaneously portrays how arduous and enduring the task was and yet also how seemingly indifferent you are to the mammoth amount of work you have done.
Good to see some humour amongst the intense and rigid nature of the presentation!
No offense but reading This was kind of odd ngl, I mean no disrespect but like you like introducing yourself like your tryna sell stuff
@@mcray0309 respect the old head
It's an amazing video. Two things bothered me however.
1. I would also bring Shaq and Hakeem into the conservation.
2. When you discussed the help each player had you didn't count coach and management.
Yeah I agree I was disappointed to not see shaq
hakeem the dream!! clutch city!!
Shaq is a weaker Wilt Chamberlain with less speed and less vert. He doesn't have a case for GOAT.
@SunamiKilla Wilt was a center and the average center at the time was 6'10, Shaq actually had it easier. Shaq would sometimes get shut down by Dennis Rodman who was 100 lbs less than him. Take Dennis Rodman, add 50~60 lbs, add 6 inches of height, add some vert, and sacrifice no speed or athleticism and that is Wilt Chamberlain.
@@richardgallimore5976 add a little more than "some vert" 😁. Also add Michael Jordan level offense.
Wilt said to Jordan, "The difference between you and me is that they had to change the rules, so I couldn't dominate. They changed the rules for you so that you could dominate.“
Wilt had height in a tiny League, and they didn't change the rules so Jordan could dominate. Wilt has become Jaded
@@pixelmasque The average height in the league when Wilt played was 6' 6" and today the average is 6' 7". Not a significant difference and nobody can accurately call the league when Wilt played "tiny." That's a silly argument that uninformed people keep tossing around because they think it makes them look smart. The hand check rule was changed mostly because of Jordan and the league wanting more offense. Refs also gave Jordan favorable treatment, ignoring his fouls on defense, calling fouls with Jordan on offense if somebody farted on his leg, The refs also always gave Jordan the five steps he needed for a dunk. You sound like someone who never saw Wilt play.
hvymettle he only won 2 championships in a league of 10 teams while having 4 hof teamates, wilt is a choker imo.......
@@gaarou8231 Wilt didn't have any talent around him until he won the championship in Philly. He sacrificed his game that year to get his teammates involved and led the league in assists, the only center to ever do that. Bill Russell had much better talent around him when the Celtics were racking up all of those rings, not even arguable. Wilt played on the Lakers with Elgin Baylor, Jerry West, and Gail Goodrich. They won a championship. Silly comment calling Wilt a choker but you are entitled to your opinion.
hvymettle He led the league is assists as a center, in a league of 10 teams again compare that to today’s game....
Congratulations on the number of views on this 💣 ass documentary! This belongs on a platform like Netflix. Way to go Bro! 👏👍😎
I watched each of these as they came out, and just watched them all again in their entirety. This is the best video I've seen on this platform and one of the top 5 documentaries I've ever seen on any. Well done!
Great documentary. One stat line for MJ. You said he struggled when returning from injury avg ONLY 22 pts. He did that on a 15 min per game minute count while supposed to be tanking. Made playoffs anyways and 22 pts!
That there showed bad league was then add is Jordan put over isaiah when Jordan never did nothing earn it. Isaiah beat real Lakers and Boston
Where never beat Boston only beat fake lakers
@Lance Dela Cruz the league is so much more talented today. Those “good” 90’s rosters would get their heads beat in by top teams today. Don’t beleive? Which one of mikes teams beat the 17 or 18 warriors. You can pick anyone of his teams he got a ring with, and they still lose in 5 to the warriors. The 90’s era is overall af
Prime Kareem and Wilt are BETTER than prime MJ
Lmao always an excuse for a L for jordan.
@Lance Dela Cruz he still lost lol
Cmon guys jacob underwood is clearly the goat
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Yea he’s pretty good at the basketball thing
It was the 1986 PLAYOFFS when MJ dropped 63 pts vs the World champion Celtics, not 1987 as said in the video
not only that but he scored 49 the previous game and was coming off a foot injury
@@Christian_Armenian True...great points by the way...MJ stat line in that "86 playoff series was 43.7 ppg 6.3 rpg 5.7 apg 2.3 spg 1.3 blks and that was with double and triple teams they( the '86 Celtics won) but they couldn't stop MJ... then again back then who could.
If MJ didn't break his foot or retire for 1 year and a half and then retired for 4 or 5 years he probably would have been the All Time Leading Scorer or at least 2nd passing Karl Malone. But missing Lakers and Spurs fighting for a title every year holding my breath and gasping every play down the court. Injuries and age will not let any other dynasties happen, I don't count Warriors-Cavs rivalry bc it was kinda 1-sided
@@danielwilliams5139 Not probably, he would even have 50,000 points.
@@Mister__Jey nah that’s impossible get ur head outta his ass, he’d at most reach 40k
The hours you spent and dedication to create such a great G.O.A.T.mentary video. Salute to you. This is much appreciated and you deserve more subscribers and more views. Rusty is the 🐐
Took me two days two watch it but, Appreciate Greatness.
It's only 2 hours long
@@justinshoats848 not everyone wants to spend 2 hours of their day watching a youtube video buddy
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Honestly the best made video on the GOAT debate I’ve ever seen and I still come back to watch it years later. Hopefully in 10 years we’ll get a part two where guys like Giannis luka or curry can be included
Good point! Conversation will only get tougher
Excellent documentary!! You worked hard on this and all of us basketball fans appreciate it !
Surely this is an unbiased documentary and l have no problems with any of the selections you made. l love how this documentary shows the flaws and strengths of each of these greats. lt is good to know that each of these players is great in their own way, but their flaws also make them natural, rather than the superhumans some like to make certain players out to be.
damn i finally got around to watching this and this is like a legit documentary like something that can be put on ESPN as a special. you have such an underrated channel. this was actually amazing. good job rusty much love always.
Wonderful video! Bill Russell was not 1st team (11) times, he was 1st team (3) times, 2nd team (8) times. During Chamberlain's career, Russell was 1st team (2) times to Chamberlain's (7). So Bill had the rings, Wilt had the individual accolades.
U can argue that bill is the best defender ever.
I go back and forth on them so much. I go with Russell because I don't believe that Wilt would have won as many titles with the supporting cast. He'd be favored every year but IDK if he'd win all of them.
@jay are fully understood, i wish it were like that today. Lebron would have had his MVPs still yet. Kobe would have had more than 1. Jordan might have had 10. Don't know if Duncan or Garnett get theirs if you let the players vote.
funny how you mention the .conspiracy' around mj's retire, but didn't mention exactly why he came back to the wiz.....
it was not for 'the love of the game' but was a request by management to get ratings and increase ticket sales, in return once mj retires he would be able to go back to his role as bball ops with ownership options.....this was the only real reason he came back to play with the wiz.
but when he retired, the owners declined him the role and ownership option, which pissed him off and the rest is history
That is true. 100% right
Mj claimed he missed the game of basketball and decided to return with a low contract expecting to return b-ball operations he also wanted to play alongside the number one draft pick he recommended to chose he pushed the first overall draft pick kwame brown to the point where he claimed he felt ashamed of himself for not living up to mj’s expectations. The wizards didn’t take him back as b-ball ops because of the way he trash talked the staff and fellow players at the time
MJ still loved the game it was just a case of 2 birds one stone. Before he was injured he averaged 25 6 5. There is no way at 38 or 39 you averaging that and playing your heart out does not equate for love of the game.
It made the regular season more interesting It didn’t hurt MJ’s legacy just like how Kobe’s last years didn’t hurt his legacy.
U really think jordan didn’t play because he loves the game of basketball? U r insane dude
There is only one GOAT!
You are the GOAT for making this documentary, I have so much respect for you and for the hours you put on this, it was just amazing!
As you said the GOAT label is very subjective and is also generational and local, I'm sure a 70 year old person living in Boston would probably say Bill is the Goat for instance, anyway really good job I enjoyed it!
I agree with this comment 100%.
Respect for the time, dedication, and the final product. This is ESPN level quality. I hope you’re making some money from this, even if it is a passion project.
Excellent study of the greatest players in nba history. The most in depht and thorough analysis i've seen so far. Congratulations on a fantastic job.
You know theres many players that have done it so amazing - but to me, no one is touching Michael Jordan & his legacy
Duncan was 5-1 in the finals, knocked off the three time champ lakers, 3 finals mvp's. Was a miracle Ray Allen shot from 6-0 in the finals. Not to shabby
Note that you said " to me " which was the authors point.....it's just your opinion.....we all have one , and it may be different from yours
@@MrOctober44 Duncan is one of the most overrated players of all time. Two of his finals victories are illegitimate in my view, especially against the Cavs. That was the first finals where the NBA completely abandoned the rules. It was like the cavs were playing by the rules, and the spurs weren't. Every screen Duncan set was a moving screen. Every time Parker, Ginobili, and Leonard drove to the basket, or did that handoff play around the perimeter, they traveled. I remember one play where Parker traveled, double dribbled, carried, and committed an up and down violation, in the same play, and it was a top play! This finals turned me off nba basketball. It was a farce, and one of the worst displays of basketball I've ever seen. They traveled so much that the defense would jump at the wrong time! The cavs got cheated out of that one. I can't consider that a real championship. Overrated! Two undeserved rings. He was a great, but is super overrated
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@@jasongibbs3713 lol someone is mega bitter still
Appreciate greatness. Amazing work Rusty!
I had the privilege of seeing all these players in real time.
Beautiful
You are very lucky
In your opinion who do you think was the best out of all
@@spencerfrancis8349 lebron
@@boytoy7846 stop
Best and most thorough GOAT video I’ve seen on TH-cam. I hated Jordan for his whole career, and, as a Lakers fan, I wish I could say Jabbar, Magic or Kobe was the best, but, alas, Jordan is the GOAT.
Why you hated Michael Jordan if he was in the Eastern Conference his whole career and thus didn't prevent the Lakers from making the NBA Finals and the Lakers only made the NBA Finals once in his prime.
Pill Box I hated Jordan too, but for a different reason. The shine he took off of Scottie Pippen’s achievements, to put himself on that GOAT Pedestal. Pippen if you look at his achievements is a 85% LeBron James, just like Kobe is a 85% Micheal Jordan.
Jordan has a career 48% win-rate WITHOUT Scottie Pippen, he had 0 of 5 winning seasons, and was 1-10 in the playoffs overall without him(the east was top-heavy, like now, so sub-500 teams made the playoffs in those 3 seasons) .
Jordan also lost a critical playoff game 7 in 1995 when Pippen was out with a Disability, BUT the blame still gets put on Pippen for missing the game , and not Jordan for not being able to win without Pippen by his side.
Jordan is only the GOAT, when he had Pippen by his side. Then his career win rate goes up to 68% when they are together, and 6-5 for winning their conference.
Together, the Jordan-Pippin Bulls were THE GREATEST DUO OF ALL TIME.
Doctor Cthulhu what series are you talkin about? If it’s the 95 ecf pippen played every game and that only went 6 .That was MJs return year. What game 7 are you talking about?
@@GoatPopsicle The shine he took away? Jordan was the one who made Pippen who he was. And you act like as soon as Scottie showed up and made a huge difference to Jordan winning when in fact he was a bench player and only averaged 7 ppg. Last I checked it's a TEAM game to win, Jordan is THE GOAT for how truly great he was, but even he can't win and do it all himself so Scottie was his Robin.
@@GoatPopsicle Pippen is not LBJ 85% pippen was a great 2nd option but there is no way he was a HOF if he was not on the bulls. Jordan Pushed him to who he was he was also guarding MJ in oractice which made him very good. Pippen scored 0 pts in game 7 of 1990 ECF throwing the game away he was not an allstar in 1991 as well. Lmao.
Appreciate greatness! What an amazing video, man! I love the transition from player to player and level to level concept with the flipping pages of a book. And the content it self with all its information and entertaining delivery: this is just TOP NOTCH! seriously!
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Jared Dudley is the only correct answer
wilt is the goat
This is a well thought out and well produced documentary! Absolutely love the quality and amount of knowledge of the game's history you've included.
I also appreciate your objectivity for the candidates you've listed.
Yo this the real mj
this is art.
Pretty impressive creation man. Should be MAKING a living doing these. I wanna see a PRO boxing and NFL football one just as detailed as these. Excellent
Jon Dubois/chart party/sbnation / I'm probably forgetting another associated channel or two also have some really fantastic long form sports analysis deep dive videos
GREATNESS...is what this video is!
I have been listening while at home doing yard work husband and daddy duties. You put a lot of interesting information in the video. I enjoyed the way you put it together. Well done!
First of all very very good video/documentary. Goatmentary it is. MJ had the least help points among them but placed 2nd in championships. Just saying.. He is the perfect mix of individual greatness as Wilt and team success as Russell.
@jason roman hahahah the 90s wast the best era of basketball full of big men and defense, now its a 3point contest with no defense at all.
@jason roman dude you do realize that all those teams had 60+ wins, a great coach, and also they had to get through the tough eastern conference every year
jason roman you cant mic drop to something that’s wrong. Jordan made more all defense team then Lebron and has a DPOY so saying all he had do was score is incorrect. Also Lebron has only been without another all in his first stint in Cleveland and 2018 in Cleveland. In those he never won anything of note except individual accolades, and those teams never beat good teams as the east was always weak. Now Lebron still was the main catalyst but they had a great system of shooters that could space the floor for Lebron, and they played good team basketball, but last time I checked he didn’t win any rings no DPOY’s and he was swept in the finals. So even if he carried he didn’t win also in 2018 he got past a injured Celtics team, a good raptors team I’ll give you that, but saying he did everything is wrong when he didn’t make an all defensive team for the past 5 years, he’s been sitting out games, and that 2018 Cavaliers team was last in defensive rating, so clearly if he was doing everything he wasn’t doing it well. So if he was carrying he never won without another all star. So what are we left with, he’s won 3 chips with 2 assists other all stars where both teams lost more in the finals then they won (I’ll give him a pass in Cleveland.) but also he’s never won 60 games in Cleveland and they were a bad defensive team. Also last time I checked Jordan always had a 60 win season and was top 3 in the league for defensive rating every season. Also stop with the bullshit about pippen. Jordan in 1987 where he didn’t have any other all star but pippen was a rookie averaging 7 ppg, and got to the ECF and was beaten by the pistons who had the far superior team, but no Jordan just couldn’t win without pippen but for Lebron when he gets to the finals and gets swept and he shoots poorly from the field and gets shut down defensively by the spurs no he doesn’t have enough help bro be consistent with your arguements.
jason roman also you see how you are trying to downplay the dominance of the bulls who won 6 chips (btw Dennis Rodman wasn’t there on the first one) that Jordan had so much help when Rusty Buckets just showed you that Jordan had less help, but also nobody other then him and Scottie averaged over 15 ppg where as Lebron had more all stars he’s played with and has a worse winning percentage than MJ though MJ has less help. Also MJ went to the ECF three times before making the finals where the pistons set up the whole defense around just stopping him, not pippen (who was averaging only like 12 ppg at the time) because and I’m quoting them that no one else on that team could beat them. Also you can penalize Jordan for having help that’s not fair no Goat player can win without help, I’m just saying that fuck the times Lebron carried, but I care about the times he actually won, and as far as I can see when he was actually in a contending position he had more help, and less rings to show for it MIC 🎤 DROP
jason roman wow so my nigga can’t read no wonder you think brons the goat
You can make something else like this? This is so well made and u can tell all thought in it. It was just so great and I want more like this
In the year that Wilt averaged 50.4ppg for a season (1961-62), Wilt's Warriors ended up losing to Russell's Celtics in the 1962 playoffs in 7 games by just 2 points. It said in the video that they lost in 6 games, so I am making the correction here.
He made a lot of errors about Russell lazy research
That's actually the counterargument to Russell in the top 5 convo. He has all the titles but look at home team winning percentage that decade. It was like 75% most years. The Celtics were stacked so always had the 1 seed and Wilt almost always pushed them to 7. So even though the leagues were smaller, the Celtics didn't exactly dominate teams.
So wilt lost all the time due to "inferior teammates" but he always lost game 7s to Russell.
@@reuvenroslynesq8954 The Celtics took it easy during the regular season but would hit nitrous in the playoffs and finals. Bill Russell is perfect in the playoffs. The lie that the celtics had it really easy, in particular because of less teams and the other lie that there were nothing but short caucasians, is a cope because what Bill Russell achieved is supposed to be impossible.
@@brocklanders9259 Lol "allegedly" inferior.
the most impressive GOAT analysis of all time!
The goat of goat analysis, one would say.
Although it is good, alex caruso isn't in it. Alex caruso has 1 west conference final. MJ has none. Alex caruso the goat😤💯💪
Much appreciated. You took your time and effort. Thanks 😊
Great video, I would like to point out a two things though:
1) Bill Russell and Wilt definitely are a part of this conversation. However, for at least half-2/3 of their careers, the NBA only had between 8-12 teams with a vastly different Playoff format. Winning 11 Championships when Boston has an automatic first round bye, then needs to win a Best of 5 followed by a Best of 7 in the championship is way easier than the grueling modern era regular season/playoffs we have today. The season was also shorter with only 72 games in a regular season as opposed to 82 today. There is a good chance with more teams and more games, Bill's body would not have sustained the excellency he had in his career.
2) Your "Help Modifier" was an interesting metric, however I feel what would have been more fair was to have the metric be measured as a per season number. Kobe had multiple years of help from Shaq and Magic had the majority of his career with Kareem. However, both of those are measured the same way as LeBron's 4 season with Miami, the last of which was clear Wade was not the same player as he once was.
Overall, great video and it was a fun watch. Props to the production quality given the size of your channel. Hope you continue to grow this! Maybe remake the video in another 3-4 years since I very well believe Steph Curry who basically changed the modern NBA game will eventually be part of this list as well.
As a HUGE fan of basketball and the NBA I really appreciate this. It's so through and well done. Thanks Rusty Buckets.
This was one of the best things I’ve ever watched, thank you for this
After all this my goat still Brian scalabrini
Over FlightReacts we all know he was the first player to score 1000 points in ONE game and won 12 mvps with 20 finals championship but of course since he played during the older times the cameras wasn’t turned on at the time since technology was limited back in his time
alex caruso and patrick mcaw, as well as bol bol are now sad
same
caruso is coming up big now!!
MAN UTD who cares? all them countries have a leg and foot fetish
Troll! 😂😂😂 lol
Why couldn’t I hear Larry and Kareem 😭 I heard the end parts of them
Copyrighted the audio
The last two minutes couldn’t have been said better. Great work rusty!
Appreciate Greatness. Nice detailed work of everyone's career. Thank you including Tim Duncan.
Lebron: I am the greatest because I made it to ten finals.
Russell: laughs in winning more than ten finals
How many teams were in the league back then? And how talented were the players?
@@12savage68 did you not watch the video
Lebron brought 3 championships to 3 different teams. Beat that.
@@mariocajas1130 how about winning 11 on the same team and not crying like a bitch cause you don’t like playing on the Same team as your stepdad
@@benscott6359 dang bruh what did lebron do to you? ..,😂
I watched this when it came out and I watched it today this is easily one of the best goat talks ever done
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how in the hell I watched all of that without feeling that it's a freaking 2 hours & a half video
The time you put into this... wow! Though I had to cringe when hearing the era MJ played in brought into question. Glad you included Bird in the discussion as he certainly belongs. And I think his case is stronger than you put on.
I think it's MJ and Kareem has the best argument of everyone else.
Magic, Bird, and Duncan were great, great players and if you were doing top 10 all time they're all worth considerations but neither I think is in anyones consideration for the GOAT, this argument has always been about the fab 5 MJ., Kareem, Russell, Chamberlain or Lebron
In my opinion MJ is the goat but he did player in one of the lesser talented eras. Not because there wasn't enough talent but bcuz it was only one of those dudes per team. Ewing, Hakeem, Drexler, Robinson, Barkley, Reggie, Grant Hill had no second star. There were literally only a handful of teams who did. And even if they did they were not as good as Pippen. Mourning had Tim hardaway. Shaq had Penny who was only really good for like 2 in a half seasons and the same thing for gary payton and shawn kemp. The only other most consistent duo was Stockton and Malone but by the time they started making it out of the west the bulls had a third star in Rodman so yeah. Also how else can you explain having the least amount of help points but also going 6 and 6 in the finals.
I think that can only be explained by lack of competition
In my opinion lebron is the goat
because back then you were not able to double team and lebron carried the cavs to the finals with no one on his team
Just Beast you were allowed to double team, you just couldn’t run zone defense
My god, this is amazing man! U put so much work in to this! Great job bro👍🏼👌🏽
This was great. Good job rusty! Oh and appreciate greatness.
Appreciate greatness! Amazing work.
I've been a fan of Lebron ever since 2003, and for years I personally believed Lebron was the G.O.A.T.
But as I started to play, watch and learn about the game it becomes more and more clear to me that M.J is and will remain the G.O.A.T, at least for another couple of decades.
Out of everyone, Lebron and Kareem probably have the strongest argument against MJ in that they sustained their peak for such a long time to set mind blowing numbers/records.
If your category for defining G.O.A.T is longevity and sustained greatness then I'd put Lebron, Kobe and Kareem all above MJ, but none of the 3 greats quite reached the peak that MJ has reached.
MJ's prime/peak is just a tad better than anyone and everyone who has played whether it is in advanced metric, basic numbers and more importantly just pure eye test.
Though I think it is pointless to discuss who the best player is out of the players that played in different eras, I think if you look closely enough the evidences will show who the greatest is.
Kareem has the weakest argument to goat Hakeem and even shaq have better cases
daniel kim respect
Kareem? Naahhhh... A guy name MAGIC JOHNSON DERAILED THAT ARGUMENT FOR JABBAR...
WHILE james? ... Plssssssss stop. Just STOP. 🙄😬
@James Robert no I just don't value Kareem dominating a weak era in the 70s and his Lakers titles that highly because of all the help he had while being a second option for the majority of them
@James Robert I'm saying that later on magic Johnson was depended on to lead the team
Damn, Rusty, This is amazing.
A beautiful peace of basketball content. Amazing video buckets, all I can say is thank you.
I've bot played basketball and followed the NBA and NCAA basketball..growing up in the Bulls era..I was big on MJ and Pip..but those were great times to watch basketball and so many great players. But MJ is my GOAT personally..no disrespect. All 9 of these hall of famers were the ones who brought excitement to the game and to millions of living room TVs
Tim Duncan nearly had a perfect career. If he won that six championship he would be my top 3 best player of all time.
5 wasn't good enough but #6 would've been
yeah nearly perfect except for the fact that he never won back to back and he had many seasons where he lost as a favorite and several seasons where he lost in the first round.
@@raferalstonisgoat4457 well I mean he also never missed the playoffs so its inevitable that he loses in the first round from time to time
Kareem missed the playoffs
Jordan did with the wizards
Lebron has as well
@@NM-gr7cs Bron has in his rookie season and his first year with the Lakers. Both times he had subpar talent. He also has spent over 50% of his career in the Finals.
Jordan was 40 and was playing with subpar talent with the Wizards.
Wins don't matter cuase if it did it would be russell as the goat
I’m not one to comment but I watched each of these individually and now all together. I don’t watch documentaries really at all but please appreciate the greatness of this. We all have the right to determine our own GOAT.
Thank you Rusty for this. I don’t believe SHAQ is the GOAT but if you ever have time would love a video like this for one!
I actually watched this whole video, 10/10, this was like watching a movie, thanks for the effort on it, it’s appreciate by NBA fans everywhere #appreciategreatness
This is one of the best videos I've seen on TH-cam!!!
There is no G.O.A.T. There are players that are great in their own way, in their own era and should be appreciated and respected as such.
Michael Jordan comes out of retirement at age 58 and joins the Hornets...
Reporter: "Why Mike?"
MJ: "I don't even know who Tuffa Dan is, but when I read his comment, I took it personal...."
@@darrenharris3434 this made me die 😂😂 LMAOOO
Nope it's Mike you're just a lebum fan trying to be creative
There is a G.O.A.T.
It is what it is...
@@mickeymouse8797 lol the fact that this dude showed no reason or sign of being a lebron fan means he lives in your sad head rent free you bozo 🤡
This documentary is so so so so on top. For the first time as a Jordan Fan, I have begin to give respect to these other guys. But I still have to admit that the fear that MJ instilled in opponents and his competitiveness puzzles me. That may not be something to consider in GOAT debate but whenever I whatch MJ stories, I wonder what the hell he was.
Bill didn't inspire fear. He inspired frustration. It didn't feel like he was dominating. Just that he would win at the end of the day.
And with wilt, he went out of his way to not hurt his opponents. He had the opposite attitude of shaq who wanted people to be scared of playing against him
@@yomamenification People quit when the heat is too much to take but all basketball fans know why MJ retired twice ans they don't discredit him for it.....unless you don't know the circumstances involved😃😃😃😃
@@yomamenification because he had achieved it all. He was already in the goat conversation in 1994. He didn't quit because he could achieve anything. He quited because he had achieved all he wanted and everyone including LeBron knows it except you.
@@yomamenification the single dumbest "take" on anything concerning MJ that I have ever seen.
What color is the sky in your world?
Does it really bother you _that much_ that the single greatest Basketball Player in History was also good enough to play Baseball?
Or is it that, AFTER he came back, he continued to dominate the greatest collection of Talent/Era in NBA History?
If that's the case, then I understand you being an utter fool. There are plenty of fans in NY, LA, Miami, Indianapolis, etc, whom you could commiserate with. They all know who the greatest ever is...
Trying to claim that Michael Jordan was a "quitter" is so unfathomably ridiculous that it really doesn't even deserve any more mentions.
@@yomamenification Jordan wanted yo three peat. Period. He didn't want to win two consecutive chips and rest there. He wanted to win multiple championship to establish himself alongside Larry Bird and Magic and he did that. His dad died and he lost motivation to play anymore. Period. You can believe what you want.
So Mj won the most in the modern era with the least amount help and retired twice. Plus being second only to Wilt in individual accomplishments. Is there even a question?
Ljr klaw, least amount of help? Are you daft? Scottie and the Worm would smack you...
Thank you Curly. The myth that Jordan carried a bunch of scrubs to 6 titles is ludicrous. In 93 the Bulls won 57 games, in 94 with Jordan playing baseball, those bums plummeted all the way to 55 wins. The first few years, yeah, but after 87 when Pip, Ho Grant and Phil Jackson came on board, MJ had help and a ton of it.
Curly Que you’re crazy. Kukoc joined the Bulls the first year MJ retired
The bulls benches were ass....yall don't know hoop....joe Kline, jus buchler, James Edwards, will pursue, Stacey king etc... the only help was from the greatest shooter of all time Craig Hodges(go look at the 3pnt contest curry nor Thompson or anybody else still ain't caught him and they get a whole rack of money balls), y'all got a lot to learn fam. Stop making bullshit comments!
Winnie Tsui the 94 bulls were a much different team than 93 dude🤦♂️ they had all the main guys from 93 and added kukoc Kerr wennington longley .. team was loaded!
Great video!! I really appreciate the time you took.
This is one of the greatest basketball videos of all time the time and the effort you put into this is insane thank you you’re the GOAT
Honestly when I think about it Tim Duncan is the 3rd best player of all time. He had some of the toughest competition ever. The Lakers with Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe. The big 3 Heat. He had go against KG and Drik. Who both played in the west. With a that competition he won 5 championships.
No, he is very accomplished player and he was great. However he was never the best player in the NBA.
@@1D4ever well said However he is the best PF ever can't take that away!!
But honestly to me it goes Mj lebron then Kobe, ill pick them 3 players before anybody in history idc game on the line them my go 2 guys period..And Kareem was great 2 but ill take Shaq anyday.
Tim duncan is one of the best ever. He didnt need to be explosive. He just dominated and won. He played basketball how it is meant to be played. Being flashy doesn't mean your great
@@1D4ever 1999, 2003, 2005 say otherwise
2:12:19 He didn't miss out on the playoffs because of lack of quality. He got a groin injury and as usual his team collapsed and lost their spot in the playoffs. He came back too late and couldn't reverse the damage caused by his absence.
Appreciate greatness...I also appreciate your greatness and time spent putting this wonderful content together💯
Hakeem criminally undervalued
Yes he and Shaq should have been on here but I still enjoyed this documentary.
Clarissa Westbrook agreed
Hakeem was clearly the BEST player after Jordan went on his 2 year hiatus. That 94-95 Championship was special because my Houston Rockets were the first lower seed to win it all against 3 teams that won 60+games and 1 team that won almost 60 games. They were the 6th seed when they won their second title.
@@clarissawestbrook2203 no. Shaq let 21 year old kobe be his closer while he?was in his prime
Bill Russell’s montage almost made me fall asleep 😭
Says less about the segment then it says about you I'm afraid 🤣
Yoooo if you ever have problems sleeping just youtube some old shittt and its a wrap its history class all over again 🤗
Bill Russell was more about defense than flashy offense
Because you only enjoy watching guards breaking ankles and shooting step back threes from 32 feet
Hakeem should have been there over bill russell. BR is overrated and need a 6 all star team to win against wilt as his only competor, until walt frazier and willis reed came along
Bill Russull for Skates sounds like 1 of those meme trades
You did an amazing job with this video , we all tyvm 4 it ^ ^
Very concise comparison, lots of research and lots of consideration to what each was able to accomplish and also how much help they were able to receive. Kudos
Imagine being on bills team for his whole career racking up rings getting carried
His teammates didn’t get carried he had 4 hofers they weren’t just random nobodies
@@bignonce7790 they dont look up history they just talk
Hey, leave Larry Siegfried alone.
@@bignonce7790 the rings were a large part of them getting into the HOF
@@bignonce7790 yeah 4 HOFERs. There are 12 players on an nba team. Some of them definitely got carried to rings
This is an amazing piece of work! Love it!
Yeah, he did a good job. Question, are you interested in winnjng of winning $10 cash exchange for listening to one song?
Great piece. No bias detected. Thanks
Jordan the G.O.A.T i just from watching his intro
Lebron is but we all got different opinions just saying lebron carried the cavs to the finals without having Kevin love or anyone at all
Subjective
@@busterboy23 bruh u cant say ya lebron is and then say we all have different opinions
Say it with chest
Bitch jordan is the greatest of all time if u dont think so ur dumb
Cmon
How’re you dumb if you don’t think Jordan is the GOAT..? If anything, you’re the dumb one, I mean c’mon. We all know Brian Scalabrine is the GOAT, man.
@@violentabrahamlincoln1395 Jordan is great but he can't even win ROTY 3 times in a row like Brian
Jordan didn't have Rodman on the first 3 rings.
Whenever arguments are told this or basketball discuss this way and when I finally move pass on who I think is goat or what player I think is better than the next I fully started to really appreciate basketball and the nba and it’s history. Look at how many great players we got and get to witness and we are not close to being done by a long shot.
Appreciate greatness!!! Man I do wish you get to read this, I had so much fun watching this documentary I want to thank you for this effort. Keep up the good work!
After watched this i concluded jordan is the 🐐
My didn’t change Mj still the goat
Jordan and Kobe are the goat. Hey LeFlop out of this convo!!
to make it fair Mj is the goat for now as soon as lebraun gets another ring lebraun is the goat
@@martinezjourney6759 no... Maybe 2 more and even that can help him
@@martinezjourney6759 lololol.. the thing is, this discussion was ended the first time Lebron lost in the finals. The guy can get 4 more rings still won't matter.
Great points and including Duncan was awesome. My personal list is as follows
Jordan
Kareem
Russell/wilt
Magic/bird
Kobe
Lebron
Hakeem/shaq
Duncan/big O
Yes kobes better than lebron
Good list I rescpt
Kareem.jordan.james.magic.russel.bird.kobe
@@3102rv lebrons not top 5. Maybe top 10. Kobes top 5. Ask mj. Ohhhh we did
6ft 2hunnid hell na
It may be too early, but even as someone that doesn’t follow Luka Doncic, I thought about him way too much watching this documentary
if he keeps playing like that and gettin better he definitely can be the goat. dude is so young and he is doing crazy stuff
@@031nathan he hasnt done much in the playoffs so it's too early to tell
@Wei wu wei he is in his third year hasnt been in the mvp convo ever he isnt bad but MJ averaged 37 5 and 5 as the shooting guard in his 3rd year on a worse team you probably cant name a player from that team without looking it up
@@031nathanhe is just a modern day harden
I'm 21 minutes in and this is already an amazing video! Well done!
Michael Jeffrey Jordan #andstill
Lebron #andnew
@@TheLivingPizza4 #Andno
@@whenisdinner2137 I respect your opinion
@@TheLivingPizza4 there is literally no way dude can be the GOAT with double the finals Ls than Ws
dinner there's more 2 being the goat than just rings but I still respect ur opinion
When someone mentions basketball. MJs name automatically appears in my head. Only the GOAT can do this. Appreciate greatness.
Drink your milk and go take a nap.
Two letters, “M” and “J”
That's not how you spell LeBron James
John Wick if you actually think LeBron is the goat, you are stupid
Bjets67 while I agree mj is the goat, don’t resort to logical fallacies to try and win your argument. It’s pathetic
LBJ is the goat coz he says so, MJ is the goat because the majority says so. that's the difference.
@@metalsadman I think you're correct about more people thinking mj is better but I think mj was more of a brand than lbj he was put into a team of Scottie pippen who was one of the best players in the NBA and Dennis rodman who was one of the best defenders in the NBA aswell as one of the best coaches all time LeBron was drafted to the Cavs who after he left were the worst team in the league then the heat days where he had some talent around him although not the level of talent Jordans team had and LeBron shone and arguably the most talented team he has been on was the Cavs in their finals win against the 73-9 Warriors in that team Kyrie who was a star but has since negatively affected any team he's been on and Kevin love who was on the decline with this team he managed to beat the warriors who had Kevin Durant an all time great scorer Stephen Curry the best player in the league behind LeBron Draymond green one of the best defensive players in the league if not all time and Klay Thomson one of the best shooters of all time and iguodala who is a decent player and Steve Kerr who is an all time great coach not to mention LeBron had lue as a coach who very much was below average not to mention lebron was getting older at this time for any player to be able to over come those odds is insane Jordan was very much a incredible player but he did get alot of help and his teams performance is arguably worse than LeBron's teams performances LeBron has less rings but he also has never lost in the first round and the amount of times he has made finals considering the teams he was on and if you look at win rates before and after LeBron left his team the bulls lost 2% more games the cavs went from a top 8 team to a bottom 2 team twice and excluding the season where bron was injured the Lakers went from one of the worst teams to one of the best he is the most talented player I mean just look at his basketball iq and his athleticism aswell as this strength he can play any position on the floor proven by him playing pg he is efficient from three from mid range and from in the paint there is nothing LeBron can't do on the floor
Great video! Thanks for making the line in the sand VERY clear!
i’ve played, coached and watched b ball for over 50 years. Anyone who thinks MJ isn’t the greatest simply never saw him play. I don’t care one iota about highlight clips. they’re irrelevant except to point out clutch moments. Michael would go entire games without doing anything spectacular, that’s not what wins games. He would relentlessly score on mid range shots, in transition, or at the rim in the half court and find teammates when they were open. He was unstoppable and never let off the intensity, he played every game and every
minute. He was the ultimate irresistible force that broke the opponent, as he did it on both ends of the floor. As one of the greatest defenders of all time, his opponents never had a moment to rest, mentally or physically. His competitiveness, confidence and leadership were also unparalleled. He was more of a Patton type of leader, not warm and fuzzy, but his teammates were forced to achieve a higher level and care more about winning than they ever had; the alternative was far too unpleasant. You never see any of that in highlights, only his spectacular aerial displays with some of his iconic clutch plays ( which is legit) sprinkled in. Entertaining, but completely fails to capture why he was the greatest player, not just the greatest athlete. His true greatness, if you watched him live, was that you KNEW he was going to win, you knew it. He took control of the outcome and there was never any doubt. Barry Bonds at the plate his last few years was the only athlete I ever saw where you knew the outcome was a foregone conclusion. MJ never even went to a single game 7 in the playoffs. Traditional stats showing 35/ game in the playoff on over 50% shooting, near record steals, etc are illustrative, but look at advanced stats, they show just how much more dominant he was than anyone else.
It's funny how the excuse for Jordan winning is everyone got old- really they draft happens every year. Jordan played when the east was the dominant conference. So Jordan didn't have that beast to go against because he was the beast. That's call total domination of a career.
Wait the same could said 4 lebron in the east
@@TheLivingPizza4 No, beco the east sucked. He is 3-6 in the finals really shows you how a lot of times he did not deserve going in the finals. LBJ lost to an aging mavs and Spurs team. MJ was winning at 35 yrs old. LBJ has the most help wade is top 5 irving is top 10 bosh and love was top 15 before joining LBJ with a bunch of rewlly good starters and role players. Now he has Top 5 player in the league in davis and a bunch of exceptional role pplayers Davis is top 1 big man by the way too much help to go 3-6. Bot a goat.
@@deciphertwentythree7726 stfu u mj worshipper.
@@deciphertwentythree7726 bulls won 55 games without mj made the ecsf, replaced him with Pete Myers and only won 2 less games, without mj and u want to talk about lebron had too much help?
@@JahleelX-xx9wd Pretty sure the 1994 season was they added Toni Kukoc lmao. Are you dumb? Also they still have their system while on the other hand LBJ is the fucking system on the teams he plays the coach has to accomodate his play style and build around him with spot shooters etc. for example. MJ was coachable and a good off ball player while LBJ is not even close when he leaves his team they collapse because the team is built around him.
I rarely comment and have just barely kept with the NBA, etc. Well done! Your final words were well put and needed to be heard by those who believe there can only be One.
Appreciate Greatness 🔥🔥🔥
Watching during covid-19 issue lmao 😂