Joyrider Reacts to Sam Holmes' Hobie Voyage
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Great commentary. Cant wait to try some of your suggestions on my next Hobie adventure!
You just keep on doing what you can with what you have, my brother. 👍🏄
I'm glad that you liked it!
Hopefully our paths will cross again at some point this year so that we can get some real speed!
Sam, when are you getting back on the water?
Sam…You’re gonna kill yourself doing stuff like that. You need to take a serious look at what you’ve shown your audience. There are lots of people who wouldn’t see an issue with any of this. Don’t take me as one of those kinds of people who wants to wrap the world in bubble wrap either. Danger is fun but it’s dangerous enough to do a voyage like that in in a boat like that…even with an epirb and a solid boat…..
I am by no means the best sailor in the world so take my words with the grain of salt they deserve… but I see a major lack of the knowledge it takes to do this right!
@@fakenamefakename12345 Amen
Sam has done some amazing voyages on a budget and continues to make some great sailing videos. Others have done insane expeditions on Hobie Cats. The two guys that sailed through the northwest passage on a hobie cat and a French guy that sailed a Tiger 18 up the west side of Greenland.
Check out Beto Pandiani
So good that people are taking on these trips.
I'm going to start this year myself.
I'll be talking more about this in tomorrow's Q+A
Northwest passage @betopandiani
@@ricardoboy1103 Beto is the true boss
Great video, Joe. I made the mistake of going on a sail camping trip with the family on my Hobie 16 once. 2 adults and 2 kids on the boat and we had gear stacked up almost touching the bottom of the boom. We only had a mile or so to the island we were camping on at Squam Lake in Nee Hampshire, but there also happened to be no wind and we ended up paddling the whole way. We were exhausted by the time we got to camp. The next morning heading back we had to paddle the whole way again because of no wind. It was not a great trip.
Maybe the lesson there is to check the forecast - make sure the wind is going to be somewhere near to the sweet spot.
I'll be talking more about this in tomorrow's Q+A
@@JoyriderTV you’re right, but unfortunately in that case, you had to reserve the campsite months ahead of trip.
Love this. Hilarious. He’s clearly a confident chap!
Definitely!!
I'll be talking more about this in tomorrow's Q+A
You were very kind in pointing out what I would consider terrible seamanship. Beach cats are very capable minimalist camp cruisers, but there were so many 'what ifs' that you pointed out.
Every March, there's great displays of what a cat can do in Florida's Everglades Challenge.
We'd love to see you there
I'll check it out. Sounds great.
I've checked it out - definitely keen!
@@JoyriderTV The more successful cat entries are Tornadoes, F18s, Carbon 20s as well as a collection of Prindles, Hobies and other classic plastic.
Thank you thank you thank you! I’ve seen this video, and as an ex park ranger stationed on a barrier island for 20 years, my reaction was much less charitable than yours. It was the most aggressively stupid voyage ever filmed on TH-cam! Glad no one had to risk their lives to search for him! But that’s just my opinion and who cares what I think? But when Joe Bennet says it’s not a good idea then it’s a PSA that might save a life! Hope to meet you in Ocean Springs for the 14 nationals and the mid winters this week! Have been a huge fan of your channel for years now! Cheers
I look forward to meeting you next week!
Great reaction video, both entertaining and educational!
Thanks!
I'll be talking more about this in tomorrow's Q+A
Love your stuff Joe, but it seems like you didn't watch the whole video. I recommend it, it's pretty exciting watch, what with the rudder breaking and one hull taking on enough water to be worrisome right around the half way point.
I hear what you're saying - I watched the whole thing a while ago - and, yes, I should have reviewed it before making this.
I'll be talking more about this in tomorrow's Q+A
When a keelboat guy gets on a multi
Maybe I should get on a keel boat for a return match
A wise man once said:
"Play in the sea, but never play with the sea".
Yes - wise words!
I remember watching Sam's whole video with wide eyes when he first uploaded it 😂 This was a fun reaction video, Jo!
Thanks, Glad that you liked it.
I've watched a number of Sam's videos. I love his youthful enthusiasm for adventure! However, and this is a big issue, is his seemingly deliberate attempts to be as sketchy and reckless as possible to add to the you tube video. The leaking hulls, poor rigging, loose rudders and no means of communication if in distress are reckless at best and fatal at worst. It has the wonderful potential to influence others to take on this kind of adventure of distance sailing and camping, (that's great!) but in a way that risks not only his life, but that of his lady friend and all those that would respond to his at sea emergency.
I was lucky enough to meet and hang out with Sam last year. Such a great guy.
He's not deliberately being unsafe - he's just doing what he can with the resources that he has.
You are, of course absolutely right though.
I'll be talking more about this in tomorrow's Q+A
I try to emulate Sam’s enthusiasm as much as possible, and Sam’s risk assessment as little as possible. 😂 Honestly though I get a pretty strong “genuine” vibe from Sam 🤷♂️
He’s fine. Worry about yourself.
You should check out the hobie in 50knts lol
Will do!
That guy is playing fast and loose! Not a fan. Live long and prosper!
I just hope that we all can learn something from it.
And not wearing a life preserver. Not smart
Indeed.
This is the reaction video we didn't know we needed
Ha! Yes, maybe you still don't know that you needed it!
I'll be talking more about this in tomorrow's Q+A
Sam is world famous for drilling holes in boats 😂
😂😅😆
Don’t understand why they are not wearing life jackets?!
Didn't appear to have any type of foul weather gear either. Even in hot climates, you can get seriously cold. The only time I have ever had stage two hypothermia was in Miami FL during an Olympic Class Regatta event on my Tornado. Water temps were around 70 degress. Air was nearly 80 in the morning but during the races a storm came in, howling winds at 20-28 kts and air temp dropped to maybe 60 degrees. But the killer was the wind chill effect from incorrect clothing for conditions. I had on a long-john wetsuit with just a lycra top.The continuous spray of warm water was instantly chilled by the high winds, making a very effective evaporative air conditioner effect. After about two hours I had stopped shivering and started to have difficulty making decisions moment by moment. We abandoned the racing but the home dock was nearly a 45 min sail away and that was the worst time I have ever spent on my boat. Three days later I came down with severe pneumonia and spent two months bed ridden on antibiotics, losing about 20 lbs body weight in the first 10 days.
That was the elephant in the room.
I think it's because of Sam's yachting background - I have found that people who have started sailing on small boats always wear lifejackets or buoyancy aids whereas yacht sailors see them as optional.
I made some earlier comments on this guy's channel expressing my deep concerns as to the absolute lack of safety measures. My biggest point was that this guy does not only puts his own life in danger but also the life of his girlfriend who might be unable to actually assess the risks making such a trip on a piece of crap and almost certainly trusting her boyfriends abilities to take responsability and keep her safe. Being a father of two daughters myself, this guy could certainly count one some kind of 'constructive feedback'.
Nice to notice the deep concerns you express, albeit somerimes between the lines.:)
Sam's a great sailor with a lot of experience but largely on yachts. I'm just glad that he made it.
@@JoyriderTV thanks for your reply:) however none of the great sailors I know, and none of all the professional sailors using the ocean as their daily office, whether it is on cargo vessels, container vessels, tugs, oil carriers, coasters or whatever, would ever take his lady out on such an irresponsible trip. To me a great sailer always respects open water like a mountaineer always and always respects the mountains. Going out in open water on a boat like this shows a concerning lack of responsability and a complete lack of respect for open water. Furthermore it is the emergency services that will have to come to the rescue once things spiral out of control but,,to my humble opinion saving guys like this should not be the purpose they are founded for. But that's only my take on this kind od adventurous footage. Furtermore keep up your great work on TH-cam. Your videos are absolutely great!
Sam can be a cringey train wreck. He's a great adventurer but seems to be missing a beat on some stuff. I really like the guy but I've had to unsubscribe a couple times because it was just too much pointless recklessness. Then I resubbed of course.
This guy has no clue of any safety. A danger to himself and others.
Sam Holmes is a bad example. He just has been lucky. Even if you do crazy risky stuff, you still have good chances of making it. Take russian roulette for example. You'll be fine 7 times out of 8. Do you think this voyage has better chances than a russian roulette? go 10 times to the bahamas and find out.
That's a different way of looking at it. Yes.
However entertaining , this guy is obviously in the category ‘I am an idiot who will do anything for youtube attention’ .
They could have gotten into lethal trouble easily.
Could have ended very differently.
This is awesome. I like how you didnt rip into him too hard. But still pointed out the sketchy stuff, and still respected the voyage at the end of the day. I feel like I would end up doing a lot of the hacky mods that Sam did so its good to know what to avoid haha. Good stuff
Thanks, that was the angle I was going for.
Sam needs to be ripped into for being a complete f-ing idiot. No one should go from Miami to the Bahamas in a catamaran.
Rudder…it was the non lose rudder that broke.
oh yes...... well spotted.
If I am not mistaken, he eventually just abandoned the boat on a beach in the Bahamas and flew back. Not really a fan of him doing that.
Yeah, agreed on the jackets and drilling - no support!
Yeh, I stopped watching him after that..though occasionally dip in
Love that line 8 out of 10 for sketchiness Joe 🤣
As a Rescue Pilot I found it concerning they were not wearing life jackets. Too easy to come off and lose the boat. If you’re not wearing it you may as well not have one.
Life jackets worn a must with PLB(personal locator beacons) for both people.
I’d give 9.5 on Sketchiness but certainly is an epic trip and a good story got out of it. I’m glad they were successful and got there safely.
Thanks Chris!
I appreciate your suggestions. However I notice a detail that a lot of these well-meaning folks don't address. When people go without safety systems etc, it might just be that they are okay with "suicidal" actions because they have a death-wish, so they drive fast and worry little about whether it will assure their survival. I know this is an unpopular suggestion, but people should ask "before I make a suggestion, do you have a desire to be no more?", because, there is a huge amount of the population have given up. That could actually explain what we think are "oversights". Perhaps these adventuresome people known exactly what they are putting up on the table. We should respect peoples decisions about this as it is their life to do as they wish with it. This may bother people, but perhaps that is a sign of their death-wish hate being reflected out loud.
@@bdmenneI couldn’t disagree with you more.
From experience most people in these situations are not suicidal. Even if they are EMS is obligated to try and preserve life.
If they are as you state, having the “right” to have their actions is not the case. Missing or distressed people use huge resources, these are not then available for other people that might “want” them. Adventurism is a great part of the human soul but been prepared is an obligation.
If this is the way you feel I suggest seeking some help. Life can be challenging but really is worth living. A life well lived is the ultimate finger to every hardship you can face.
I genuinely hope you are ok
The Jib would have helped balance the boat and reduce the weather helm. The rudder might possibly have survived the trip. I like Sam. If he died tomorrow he would have had a better run than most folks I see. Nice reaction video and many valid points Joyrider, Thanks.
Thanks!
Amazing Sam is still alive. Hope his partner knows she is risking her life on a dodgy boat..no PFDs on is just silly.
Indeed.
I sailed with a hobie 17 from germany to sweden :)
Wow! That must have been a trip and a half!
Myself I would not go past the end of a Jetty on a craft such as this without serious preparation, off the beach and a couple of hundred metres from shore would be the limit. Foolhardy and if something goes wrong someone else has to put their lives on the line to rescue the foolish, they made it anyway, sheer luck and providence. Everyone should experience a near death experience to appreciate the life you are enjoying!
For sure, they were lucky to have covered the distance and arrive in one piece (almost)
sam is honestly the source of my hobie sailing inspiration. i admire his accomplishments as a sailor and cant wait to go sail camping on the gulf coast this summer.
Please, don't take ideas from this video. And take safety really seriously. PFD, VHF at very very least. What will you do if your shroud fails? Can you really right it if capsized with all the stuff? Hobie is a great sport and beach cat. But not a cruiser.
I'd happily go for such a trip, but only with a supporting boat near me. Then i'd try to squeeze all the juices from it, not bothering much about breaking hulls, masts and sails. But alone? Doesn't look responsible for me.
@DennisMelentyev yes, you're absolutely right - and I hadn't even considered how much harder it would be to right if capsized.
I'll be talking more about this in tomorrow's Q+A
Agree with Young Sam. Criticisms if anchor set up were invalidated by him showing retaining brackets. Jib is nice, not essential. Sam has since singlehanded to Hawaii in a 21' mono & is presently cruising the Med & a utoob sensation. This vid is of Sam starting out on s brilliant sailing career, all newbies don't get it right all the time, but a utoober using Sam for buoyancy is pretty sad.
@@tgalbraith2152 I don't care about being right or wrong. Regardless if we're talking about me or Sam.
At sea, the only person who is responsible for your life is you. Nice if you're lucky.
But if i can give someone couple more chances to survive, i'm all for it. But still, it's up to you to use it or not. Your life - your responsibility.
Sailors are quite "social cynics". Ready to help, but easy to accept most stupid decisions of others.
Good video👍
Thanks
You missed to comment on the huge dent on the inner side of the hull in front of the left pilon. This means the hull is compromised (delamination) and most likely the deck above it is soft. I had the same on my 74'. Had to epoxy inject the crap of it.
Great point, I hadn't even spotted that. Yes, that could have been serious.
Que bom !!! Legenda em português 🎉🎉🎉 show thank you , coloca em todos os vídeos pois assisti em inglês, e agora com as legendas vamos poder entender tudo, que ótimo!!!
Obrigado, tento colocá-los em todos os vídeos, mas em alguns vídeos o Google diz que a conversa não é clara o suficiente.
Thanks, I try to put them in all the videos but on some videos google says that the talking isn't clear enough.
With friends, I have enjoyed a number of downwind sail/ beach camping trips from Bahia de Los Angeles and Bahia de Concepcion
to La Paz on the Sea of Cortez, ranging from 2 to 5 weeks on board Hobie 16's... Such a great experience, tacking
downwind for hours at a time, surfing the swells.. Our gear was mostly in dry-bags secured across the front part of the trampoline
by one cam-strap, that could be released if we pitch-poled [ never did ], to make righting the boat easy. Our paddles were bungied across the back of the tramp for easy access. W/ four 2.5 gallon fresh-water jugs, we could linger on the islands for quite a while.
One mod we did was to add fiberglass wear-strips to the keels to help them survive being dragged up onto the beach stones...
Yes, those fibreglass rubbing strips were quite well used in the UK in the 90s good plan.
Sounds like it was a great time!
yes, I have also attempted Darwin awards for sailing and kayaking. Last winter I flew to Martinique, bought a 34 ft sailboat and sailed solo back to Georgia (US) 2000 nm/ 20 days/ 3 gales. Currently I am fixing up a Nacra 5.2 for a Lake Superior adventure.
Nice! Good luck with that
Danforth anchor (around five minutes in) was invented for the 1944 Normandy Landings.
that should hold then?
It should. Plas Menai told me years ago that on one of the Moon landings, they took a plough anchor with them. @@JoyriderTV
Sam's drilling more holes in his boat. Classic Sam. Believe the boat made it - one way! Mad barmy floridian at his best/worst!!!!!
This certainly has the nation divided!
Sam's Miami to Bahamas in a catamaran trip was one of the most crazy / most stupid TH-cam videos I have ever seen. No one should watch that and think it's a good idea. I wish you would value your life more than you do Sam.
Yes, pretty sketchy stuff - I just hope that he had a powerboat nearby out of shot.
Others should definitely not try to replicate - stay within sight of land.
I would say that just being unaware of the difference between an idea you think is great,,, to a VERY VERY BAD day and maybe,,, if your lucky,,, a lot of time to think about the ride NOT being that great of an idea,,, while you wait for rescue, because any one of many things that could go wrong. Is that port hull showing buckling from delamination. At 57 sec you can see the delam.
Possibly could have been myself at one time many years ago.
Good review
Well said! Thanks!
Dangerous, foolhardy and incompetent. Thank you Joe for pointing out just a few of the concerns. It's called "seamanship". This guy should have sailed with Magellan.
There was a lot of luck involved in them making it.
I am a big fan of Sam Holmes' videos. When I first saw this video I was astonished. I was going to post something on his site but figured I'd get flamed. It's not just that he undertook something so risky but that he made it seem reasonable and may have inspired others to do the same. The water draining from the hulls speaks not only to the lack of intergrity of the watertight nature of the boat but is probably ultimately what saved him. Without this unintended "water ballast" the boat would have likely flipped in the gulf stream long before reaching the Bahamas. And while we're at it, getting off the Cape Dory when the wind died 2/3rds across the Atlantic to swim with the whales was another nailbiter. At least tie a rope to the boat and the swimmer lest the wind pick up and sail the boat off and leave you with the whales. Yet I remain a big fan. Sailing is a blast. Safety first--Always.
Well said.
Joe you might enjoy this expedition on a hobie tiger in greenland. Beautifully shot and well executed expedition. Cheers pat
Could you send the link?
Relying on luck to stay alive is not a health way to go sailing. Norhing really bad hapoened. But one big gust of wind, one failed shroud. You are dead.
Agreed.
After the trip he just abandoned it on the beach along with the gear. Trash for someone else to deal with, then they take a cruise ship home. I unsubscribed.
After I posted this video, there'd been some questions about the abandoned boat, so I asked Sam what happened - he said the boat has been adopted by a new owner - so not quite so bad?
Speaking as an American - I think America's tend to be more "utilitarian" focused with our vehicles than performance focused. We try to have something that can do everything. This is also a consequence of economics.
That's a great way to put it.
I think Sam does an amazing job - really getting the most out of all of his vessels.
I'll be talking more about this in tomorrow's Q+A
Being utilitarian is great. But why screw the basics of safety? PFD costs less than an anchor. Tightening rudders cost nothing. Brand new VHF is just over 100 bucks and one can go for a used one.
Being thoughtful and courageous is great. Brave and stupid - not really.
Great, do you offer any Island Hopping in Greece Joyrider?
Not commercially - but personally, I'm going to start this year.
It’s about 50 miles, it can be done in a good sea kayak. Weather permitting.
Good to know, thanks.
its a Hobie 16, they have a trampoline standard.
Just not with the diagonal lacing
I might add a comment or two about not wearing a life vest!
Yes, they're not going to do much in a bag on the tramp.
Reminds me when I was young and crazy. LOL
Me too!!
why so astonished? so many did it on cardboard "boat".
Not astonished, just addressing some safety concerns.
check out team Tips Up in this years R2ak!
Will do! Maybe one day i'll make it onto that event.
Cubans ride styrofoam from Cuba - to the States
Maybe more seaworthy?
I wasnt expecting much of this reaction video, but its pure gold! 😅
I couldn't resist, I asked Sam if it was cool and he was into it.
I seem to remember watching this long time ago. Sam is not the most safety conscious. I didn’t think there was much of a problem with him doing himself, but taking a passenger along I thought that was a little bit unfair.
I think you went very easy on him there, that was well sketchy
Don’t think I saw them wearing life jackets… a major safety issue!
That was the elephant in the room!
I'll be talking more about this in tomorrow's Q+A
Some say "what if" others just do it
I know what you're saying.
It is not incredible what he and his partner attempted? It was good to see the rudders cannot make the distance.
Yeah for sure - absolutely amazing! If the rudders had been tuned they would have lasted.
I'll be talking more about this in tomorrow's Q+A
@@JoyriderTV oh, that's good to know. I didn't notice the wobbling until you pointed it out.
All of that drilling hahah
Ouch!!!
Good for Joyrider for covering Sam's epic trip across the Florida Straits to the Bahamas on an old Hobie 16 that was itself in sketchy condition. Sam is one of my favorite TH-cam sailors. I watched this when it came out. Sam makes the extraordinary look ordinary.
Yes, he's pretty fearless in what he takes on
Yeah where were the life jackets? Did they have a secret support vessel? Was painful to see all the drilling
Yes, the lack of life jackets are an indication that Sam comes from Yacht rather than dinghy sailing - yacht sailors see them as optional rather than mandatory.
The drilling hurt me too!
WOW, what a (reckless) adventure. Great reaction review, really enjoyed it.
A jib would also added some bear away torque(sorry for probably butchering the translation into english), making steering easier. But like you mentioned, tightening of the rudder bolts and checking the rudder alignment with a tape measure would have gone a long way.
Yes, I think they would have arrived with both rudders still intact!
I'll be talking more about this in tomorrow's Q+A
I really enjoyed you commentary on this and your words of wisdom. HOWEVER, I have an old Hobie 16 and I'm thinking this may be in my future.. This is an adventure !!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
I'm not saying don't adventure - in fact, I'll go through a good summary of finings in tomorrow's Q+A
that's a long way to go with those rudders - you were proved right! funny to hear your thoughts too, like the new format 👍🏻
For sure! Just a few turns with the spanner might have saved the blade!
It seems that this was a very popular choice - so more to come!
You sound like OzzieMan reviews !
thanks?
@@JoyriderTV well yes !
I have followed Sam for years and he is truly inspiring. He is a good Sailor and wont let money stop him from adventures that others just dreams of. Go simple - go now.
It was a real pleasure when he came to Vassiliki last year so that we could sail together.
Check the Havana challenge race, start at kWest to Havana city, race for a week on Havana malecon with the cuban team, and sail back to Cayo hueso
Is it the one organised by St. Petersburg YC?
I saw this years ago when I had a 16, and thought it was pretty cool. But there are a lot of ways for it to go sideways.
For sure!
Hey Joe. Check out Igor Stropniks journey in croatia with a hobie like cat
Yeah, I checked it.
I'm going to get into some of that long distance action!
We need a whole series dedicated to these reactions, fan of both of you and I really enjoyed it.
Yes, I just need more willing subjects! I wouldn't want to comment on other peoples journeys without permission.
Thanks!
I'm not going to judge the level of preparation and idea itself, or I'd be banned.
The only thing I'd try to confront is the type of the HC.
For me it looks very 14ish. The shape of the bows and absence of jib suggest it.
It's very hard to take 16 out of irons w/o jib as well.
The Hobie 16 is the most abundant catamaran globally. I certainly would have taken a jib.
I'll be talking more about this in tomorrow's Q+A
They've been doing the Havana challenge for years, 100 N. M
I'm going to check it out for sure!
I wonder why they did not have a jib.....I would not sail with all their stuff on it with minimum rigging, it's too heavy and low safety, despite that wood ball on top of the mast. This catamaran is not built for that amount of weight incl anchor on starboard side. The rudders should have been stronger /havyer to mitigate power/strenght of the hulls.
Yes, I would have to agree with everything - just tightening the rudder bolt would probably have saved the blade!
I'll be talking more about this in tomorrow's Q+A
Looking back at Sam’s video now, he was crazy for attempting this one. I have a feeling he knows that too.
It's such a great video and an example of what can be achieved if you leave your sensible safety hat on the beach!
I'll be talking more about this in tomorrow's Q+A
At the end of his video he does say it was probably one of his worst ideas ever
I enjoyed hearing the british sailing trainer evaluate the adventurous american explorers, who would boldly try what no one has tried before!⛵
Thanks!!!
I'll be talking more about this in tomorrow's Q+A
he would have realised early in life that 'hobie cat' is....luv at first flight...yep always gota throw that in jo...cheers groovers
Yeah for sure!! Thanks
I'll be talking more about this in tomorrow's Q+A
They didn't even wear life vests. Seems lunatic though. @Joe, I this is VERY ENTERTAINING. Happy to see more.
Great, I'm glad that you liked it.
This could be a new format that I do more of.
I'll be talking more about this in tomorrow's Q+A
Have you seen the 3 hour video of 1 week hobie sailing from Venice down to Croatia?
Not yet.
@@JoyriderTV th-cam.com/video/SmcAK0Nn3fA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=0w_sZOJgAjhXlqoL
It was the good rudder that broke 😂
yes.... egg on my face! On only spotted it after publishing.
seems like the hobie getaway would have been a better choice for that =)
Yeah, I think that would have done well - much better for equipment storage.
I'll be talking more about this in tomorrow's Q+A
Do a react of beto pandiani passages
I'll check it out. Thanks
The Roast of Sam Holmes. 😂
I talked to him about it in the summer when he came to Vassiliki and he was almost as keen as I was!
🤩
best reaction video I've seen in ages
critical and respectful
Thanks very much - that's what I was aiming for.
No life jackets on. I hope they can swim over 100 miles if someone goes overboard.
That would certainly be a bad day!