hi q8, I am a CFI for rotorcraft so I can give you and your viewers some insight on how these birds really fly vs. how they fly in xplane. the flight model for the 407 is actually much better than say the schwitzer 300 or r-22 in xplane 11, however they are still a bit unstable versus how a real helicopter flies. first off, there is WAY too much "pendulum motion" in these flight models. all the helo's swing too much front to back and side to side when using cyclic inputs. I guess xplane is trying to replicate the inherent instability that goes with helicopter flying, however it is too exaggerated. you put in just a little cyclic input and these birds just start moving wildly in that direction. real helo's don't move nearly that much with small inputs which is what you want to do when flying helicopters. also, the anti-torque or what you refer to as "rudder" inputs are inaccurate as well. there is a really bad "rubber banding" motion in the yaw of these flight models which again real helo's don't do with pedal input. Again, the 407 flies much better than the two smaller helicopters mentioned above so I would recommend that people interested in helicopter flight in xplane start with the 407. hope this helps!
I found if you turn on the SAS it does make the helicopter a lot more stable. This is my favorite helicopter across any sim platform I have flown. (I started with Microsoft Flight simulator when the planes were wire frame models and scenery was just, green for ground, dark blue for water, light blue for sky.
I started with the AS 350B3, and I was near to suicide... was really frustating... then after some modities went a little bit better. Now I'm with the 407, and seems quite different.
I can point out some things for you. 1. The pedals control the tail rotor pitch to offset changes in main rotor torque. The 407 does not have a rudder. 2. In forward flight, if the collective remains stationary, the T/R pedals remain stationary, even in turns. Airplanes need rudder pedal inputs when making turns, helicopters don't. 3. The throttle stays in idle until you are ready to fly. Does your manual say to go out of idle to "25%" throttle setting and let it ground run just under 100% NR and NP? That is very dangerous in the real world. The 407 is flown in the FLY position as indicated on the throttle. Not the MAX position. If the FADEC fails and goes into manual with the throttle at MAX, your rotors will overspeed and ruin you day real fast. Try pushing the FADEC Mode button out of AUTO and into MAN with the throttle in MAX. I'm curious to see how it is modeled. I noticed that at 35% TQE you are in level flight at 67Kts. At that setting and air speed I would not be able to hold my altitude. During training we would set the TQE to 30% and try to hold altitude , which the 407 will not. We do this during the settling with power recognition maneuver. I also noticed the Attitude Indicator never righted itself. It usually takes 5min or less. Other than that, this looks really nice. Hope you enjoy flying it as much as I do. Thanks for sharing.
Thank's a lot mate for sharing with us. You gave me the "push" to buy my first chopper. It's just a nightmare to fly straight at this moment. I do not even speak of landing !! But it's a rela challenge to try to learn and it gives me a real goal to acheive. Thank's again.
Nice video as uaual. May I ask what you are using for your viewing around. I am trying Facetracknoir and HeadTrack xp. Its hard to keep the view still enough to click buttons. Yours is smooth, fast and it actually stops. Thanks, Dale.
Hey Good review and I looked at price while video was playing & couldnt believe that it was ONLY $35. I haven't flown a chopper since XP9 but I may have to buy this one. As I said going broke cuz of you :) Thx for a great tour of AC as always my friend .
I'm thinking of getting this. I saw that it has some contextual menus for customization (Garmin 530, radios, etc). Can you choose to have modern avionics on the dash as opposed to gauges ? Also; is it possible to fly from left seat? Is there native Avitab support for both seats ?
No, yes and yes. Modern Avionics, no. Dreamfoil would have to redesign the entire cockpit. And for a hobby developer, that would be too much and if I`m not mistaken, also illegal. You can set up your view so that you could fly from the left seat. However, most of the times, Chopper Pilots fly from the right seat. But, nonetheless, you could set it up. I think Avitab is supported. What you can also do is add the RealityXP GTN 750 to it. You have to buy it but, once you have it, you can download a program that implements it into the Bell 407. Dreamfoil supported the project so it`s legal. Hope that helps.
very nice video! Perhaps you can answer this but how do you prevent speeding up but still increasing altitude when you raise the collective during landing?
The best helicopter created for xp11 platform, followed by Schweizer S300, Aerospatiale Lama 1.1 and Bell 412 if we must consider rotors animations, fly model and all features implemented like the real counterpart!
Hi Q8Pilot. Just wanted to ask if this has anti-torque force trim for us who don't have rudder pedals? Kind of like DCS' rudder trim for the UH-1H and the Mi-8. Thanks!
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Hi and thank you for this really cool video! I would like to know if it is possible to get the "Main Panel Advertisers" via UDP to build a simulator. What are the specific DATAREFs?
Stomper003 you can chose yourself but I think that if you have the money and the effort you can make FSX looking really realistic and nice but x plane 10/11 has a really good community and there is more realistic flight dynamics (as I've heard) so it's a hard choice if you have the effort and you have the money you can put into FSX it's beautiful (as I said) but if you want a sim that is nice out of the box then x plane is probably better
Elephanto Gaming I have FSX and don't want to spend a lot of money on scenery, so would you think getting X-plane 11 would have better scenery then FSX and cheaper then buying add-ons for fsx.
Actually am using both p3d and xplane both and just picked up the pmdg 777 for p3d, enjoyed the bell vid , their really have come a long way designing /detailing aircraft really pleasing to the eye..
Different to flying a craft designed to slip through the air, like riding on a bed of silk?. My son is learning to fly a helicopter but I never trusted an aircraft where the wing was going faster than the fuselage and which battered the air into submission. Although you may deduce I am not a helicopter fan, you produced a great video.
Great video as always . Don't forget to un-cage the artificial horizon you will find it a b it easier (just click the knob to the right of the artificial horizon)
Well that was different and first may I say you did well to get the thing off the ground if this was your first time ( bet you had a practice) I think us simmers sometimes forget how far we have come in just a few years since FSX and some others which started what was to become our hobby. I myself have always been into Airbus mainly A320 series but I was into helicopters in FSX which I got fairly good at but when I tried it in X- plane 10 it was a like a mad drummer with all my hands and feet trying to get the thing to fly, that's how good X-plane is modelled so well done and I for one look forward to more of your videos in a helicopter also full marks must go to the makers of this Addison for there work and small purchase price.
Thanks VIC, I had one quick practice before the video, otherwise would have been torn apart =) I think I need to do a little more on the A320 and A330. I am thinking of doing a series on the FSLabs A320, but will see how if my permits. Let me know if you have anything on mind for a future video!
Osama, great video as always. suggestion: your videos are mostly taken during dusk or Dawn and while they look great and enhanced xp11 PBR they are very dark and reduced the ability to see the details. also, it's too bad to view an amazing detailed model on such blurry rwy textures.
Yes. Flying a helo is difficult because everything has to be perfect, field of view, joystick sensitivities and dead zones, Track IR limits, plus the helo yaws like crazy unless you have got some speed, tries to kill you if you hover backwards yada yada. It takes a lot of practice and adjustment. Good videos btw.
Hey Matt, I did try the Bell 412 after it was made available for XP11 and had tons of issues with it. I will check it out again for sure. Thanks a lot for the tip!
Great video captain. I'm a fan of helicopters, but I need to learn how to fly them. =) A suggestion my friend. You could make a video showing the projects of new aircraft for X-Plane 11 that are in progress. I do not know if you have access to this information, but it would be very interesting for all users of x-plane 10/11 and for those who want to migrate to x-plane.
Great video! Well I see that Thomas said what I wanted to say! I would have like to see you land it as well. I also noticed that you have 12,418 Subscribers. Nice!
Beautifully modeled heli but spool up sounds cartoonish. What would it take to drive to an airport & record the actual sound of a B407 startin up?? Heck, you could record sittin in your car hangin the mic out the window. Common Dreamfoil!! Really?
yes, I totally agree about the sounds. it gets worse when you use xprealistic as there is this incredibly annoying knocking sound when you are spooling up the turbine, like its a piston engine or something starting up. I usually turn off xprealistic when starting up the turbine and then turn it back on once the rotor is up to flight rpm.
s david p. Is it like a “tick tick tick” sound before you introduce fuel? That would be the igniter. Happens in real life as well unless you pull the breaker. But then it wouldn’t start.
very nice video! Perhaps you can answer this but how do you prevent speeding up but still increasing altitude when you raise the collective during landing?
As you are landing, you pull back on the cyclic to raise the nose of the helicopter. That reduces the forward speed. At the same time, you lower the collective to reduce the lift and keep your vertical speed descent speed about 500 ft /sec. Don't descend too much faster than 500 or you'll get into a vortex ring state (VRS) where you're descending faster than your air column and your rotors won't be able to produce lift and you'll crash. You learn about VRS very quickly if you fly the Huey in DCS. Trust me, I speak from experience :-D
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hi q8, I am a CFI for rotorcraft so I can give you and your viewers some insight on how these birds really fly vs. how they fly in xplane. the flight model for the 407 is actually much better than say the schwitzer 300 or r-22 in xplane 11, however they are still a bit unstable versus how a real helicopter flies. first off, there is WAY too much "pendulum motion" in these flight models. all the helo's swing too much front to back and side to side when using cyclic inputs. I guess xplane is trying to replicate the inherent instability that goes with helicopter flying, however it is too exaggerated. you put in just a little cyclic input and these birds just start moving wildly in that direction. real helo's don't move nearly that much with small inputs which is what you want to do when flying helicopters. also, the anti-torque or what you refer to as "rudder" inputs are inaccurate as well. there is a really bad "rubber banding" motion in the yaw of these flight models which again real helo's don't do with pedal input. Again, the 407 flies much better than the two smaller helicopters mentioned above so I would recommend that people interested in helicopter flight in xplane start with the 407. hope this helps!
I found if you turn on the SAS it does make the helicopter a lot more stable. This is my favorite helicopter across any sim platform I have flown. (I started with Microsoft Flight simulator when the planes were wire frame models and scenery was just, green for ground, dark blue for water, light blue for sky.
I started with the AS 350B3, and I was near to suicide... was really frustating... then after some modities went a little bit better. Now I'm with the 407, and seems quite different.
Awesome video mate, I did a stream of this Chopper, and everyone was astonished with the level of detail on this work of art 😊
It is really a wonderful bird =)
I can point out some things for you.
1. The pedals control the tail rotor pitch to offset changes in main rotor torque. The 407 does not have a rudder.
2. In forward flight, if the collective remains stationary, the T/R pedals remain stationary, even in turns. Airplanes need rudder
pedal inputs when making turns, helicopters don't.
3. The throttle stays in idle until you are ready to fly. Does your manual say to go out of idle to "25%" throttle setting and let it
ground run just under 100% NR and NP? That is very dangerous in the real world. The 407 is flown in the FLY
position as indicated on the throttle. Not the MAX position. If the FADEC fails and goes into manual with the throttle
at MAX, your rotors will overspeed and ruin you day real fast. Try pushing the FADEC Mode button out of AUTO and into MAN
with the throttle in MAX. I'm curious to see how it is modeled.
I noticed that at 35% TQE you are in level flight at 67Kts. At that setting and air speed I would not be able to hold my altitude. During training we would set the TQE to 30% and try to hold altitude , which the 407 will not. We do this during the settling with power recognition maneuver.
I also noticed the Attitude Indicator never righted itself. It usually takes 5min or less.
Other than that, this looks really nice. Hope you enjoy flying it as much as I do. Thanks for sharing.
Attitude indicator needed uncaging. I've seen another video where they clicked a button on the bottom right of the gauge.
Is the Orlando airport payware?
Great video buddy! Awesome work done by Dreamfoil Creations! btw I would have loved to see you land it :-D
Hey buddy, I would have made a complete mess of the landing =) I will do it once I am a little more proficient haha.
Q8Pilot haha yeah, I know! :-D I'm always finding it super hard flying helicopters! but it's a lot of fun ;-)
Thank's a lot mate for sharing with us. You gave me the "push" to buy my first chopper. It's just a nightmare to fly straight at this moment. I do not even speak of landing !! But it's a rela challenge to try to learn and it gives me a real goal to acheive. Thank's again.
Happy flying =)
Nice video as uaual. May I ask what you are using for your viewing around. I am trying Facetracknoir and HeadTrack xp. Its hard to keep the view still enough to click buttons. Yours is smooth, fast and it actually stops. Thanks, Dale.
Hey Good review and I looked at price while video was playing & couldnt believe that it was ONLY $35. I haven't flown a chopper since XP9 but I may have to buy this one. As I said going broke cuz of you :) Thx for a great tour of AC as always my friend .
Thank you for your kind words as always Rand. You will get a lot of enjoyment out of this aircraft for sure!
I'm thinking of getting this. I saw that it has some contextual menus for customization (Garmin 530, radios, etc). Can you choose to have modern avionics on the dash as opposed to gauges ? Also; is it possible to fly from left seat? Is there native Avitab support for both seats ?
No, yes and yes. Modern Avionics, no. Dreamfoil would have to redesign the entire cockpit. And for a hobby developer, that would be too much and if I`m not mistaken, also illegal.
You can set up your view so that you could fly from the left seat. However, most of the times, Chopper Pilots fly from the right seat. But, nonetheless, you could set it up.
I think Avitab is supported. What you can also do is add the RealityXP GTN 750 to it. You have to buy it but, once you have it, you can download a program that implements it into the Bell 407. Dreamfoil supported the project so it`s legal.
Hope that helps.
@@BlackFoxFalcon also told before, digital avionics seems difficult to watch in the pc...
very nice video! Perhaps you can answer this but how do you prevent speeding up but still increasing altitude when you raise the collective during landing?
The best helicopter created for xp11 platform, followed by Schweizer S300, Aerospatiale Lama 1.1 and Bell 412 if we must consider rotors animations, fly model and all features implemented like the real counterpart!
Hi Q8Pilot. Just wanted to ask if this has anti-torque force trim for us who don't have rudder pedals? Kind of like DCS' rudder trim for the UH-1H and the Mi-8. Thanks!
Hi and thank you for this really cool video! I would like to know if it is possible to get the "Main Panel Advertisers" via UDP to build a simulator. What are the specific DATAREFs?
Hi Q8Pilot,
Enjoyed the video. Thank you for another professional job. By the way, what hardware/equipment did you use to fly the machine? Thank you
At 4:44, it looks to be the Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS
Wow! Incredible FPS for your graphics settings...
What's your PC configuration?
The fps increase at night might be because the reflections don't work without light. How high are your reflection settings?
That was my initial thought, but then did a test at a different airport and didn't experience the same. I think it is something to do with shadows!
Q8Pilot could very well be, was just thinking out loud.
Q8Pilot What do you think has more detail and realism FSX, X-plane 10 or 11?
Stomper003 you can chose yourself but I think that if you have the money and the effort you can make FSX looking really realistic and nice but x plane 10/11 has a really good community and there is more realistic flight dynamics (as I've heard) so it's a hard choice if you have the effort and you have the money you can put into FSX it's beautiful (as I said) but if you want a sim that is nice out of the box then x plane is probably better
Elephanto Gaming I have FSX and don't want to spend a lot of money on scenery, so would you think getting X-plane 11 would have better scenery then FSX and cheaper then buying add-ons for fsx.
Stomper003 yes definitely
Stomper003 forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/files/
Stomper003 that link leads to a website with very good free scenery and even some free aircrafts on it
wondering if you might consider doing a new p3d pmdg 777 flight just picked one up. tnx
My very good friend Steve, how are doing buddy?! I will try to fit it in the schedule for sure =) Good to hear from you. Are you now a P3D convert?
Actually am using both p3d and xplane both and just picked up the pmdg 777 for p3d, enjoyed the bell vid , their really have come a long way designing /detailing aircraft really pleasing to the eye..
This is a nicely modeled helicopter.
It certainly is, thanks for watching =)
Thank you for making such great videos!
Excellent video! I've been looking at this specific add on for X-Plane 11. I will pick it up.
Try uncaging your gyro :)
Oh gosh yes I totally forgot that. It takes a while getting used to it, but it sure is a lot of fun!
Q8Pilot lol I was going to say the same thing...
I kept looking at it, reaching out trying to pull said gyro
Q8Pilot What does that mean?
I'm new to it all
My Dreamfoil 407 has no auto-pilot. Is there something to be enabled?
I'm new to XPL, didn't realize I needed to check what version the aircraft was for. I mistakenly bought the XP10 version. Getting the upgrade now.
Click on the upper right corner of the instrument panel and bring up the menu. Click on Customize and then on Helisas.
nice video, Q8 ..the clouds are custom or third party (enviro, skymaxx) ??
Thank you for watching my friend. Clouds are xEnviro!
Great video! What's the climat program do you use?
Thanks for watching! I use xEnviro.
Different to flying a craft designed to slip through the air, like riding on a bed of silk?. My son is learning to fly a helicopter but I never trusted an aircraft where the wing was going faster than the fuselage and which battered the air into submission. Although you may deduce I am not a helicopter fan, you produced a great video.
Thanks a bunch Jon =)
Great video as always . Don't forget to un-cage the artificial horizon you will find it a b it easier (just click the knob to the right of the artificial horizon)
Thanks for the tip my friend and for watching the video!
Well that was different and first may I say you did well to get the thing off the ground if this was your first time ( bet you had a practice) I think us simmers sometimes forget how far we have come in just a few years since FSX and some others which started what was to become our hobby. I myself have always been into Airbus mainly A320 series but I was into helicopters in FSX which I got fairly good at but when I tried it in X- plane 10 it was a like a mad drummer with all my hands and feet trying to get the thing to fly, that's how good X-plane is modelled so well done and I for one look forward to more of your videos in a helicopter also full marks must go to the makers of this Addison for there work and small purchase price.
Thanks VIC, I had one quick practice before the video, otherwise would have been torn apart =) I think I need to do a little more on the A320 and A330. I am thinking of doing a series on the FSLabs A320, but will see how if my permits. Let me know if you have anything on mind for a future video!
Osama, great video as always. suggestion: your videos are mostly taken during dusk or Dawn and while they look great and enhanced xp11 PBR they are very dark and reduced the ability to see the details. also, it's too bad to view an amazing detailed model on such blurry rwy textures.
Thank you for watching and for your observation. I will consider this moving forward for sure. Cheers my friend!
How does trim work in this / xplanes helis?
I have no clue. Didn't test this. I will and perhaps post this in a future video!
Just keeping the Stability Augmentation System (SAS) switched on at all times makes this helo much more flyable
Thanks a million Derek. Is it ok then to turn it on before take off?
Yes. Flying a helo is difficult because everything has to be perfect, field of view, joystick sensitivities and dead zones, Track IR limits, plus the helo yaws like crazy unless you have got some speed, tries to kill you if you hover backwards yada yada. It takes a lot of practice and adjustment. Good videos btw.
You should try Bell 412 by X-Trident. Has been updated to xp11 recently. I had a lot of fun with it.
Hey Matt, I did try the Bell 412 after it was made available for XP11 and had tons of issues with it. I will check it out again for sure. Thanks a lot for the tip!
Where was your landing attempt, great video, as always
Hopefully in a later video when I can show you somewhat of an acceptable landing =) Thanks for watching!
Great video! What's the airport?
Thanks buddy, the airport is Orlando International (KMCO). store-x-plane-org.3dcartstores.com/KMCO-Orlando-International-Airport_p_615.html
Very Nice Video Osamah! Sorry I was a bit Late :P
PuddingSimulations Got your message on Steam buddy no worries thanks for watching and for your support always =)
Great video captain.
I'm a fan of helicopters, but I need to learn how to fly them. =)
A suggestion my friend.
You could make a video showing the projects of new aircraft for X-Plane 11 that are in progress. I do not know if you have access to this information, but it would be very interesting for all users of x-plane 10/11 and for those who want to migrate to x-plane.
Thanks buddy and great suggestion. If I come to know of anything new, I will most certainly showcase it on the channel!
Great video! Next time set the artificial horizon please.
Thanks for watching!
As always, nice video
Thanks Phillip =)
Great video! Well I see that Thomas said what I wanted to say! I would have like to see you land it as well. I also noticed that you have 12,418 Subscribers. Nice!
Thanks buddy, perhaps I will do a full flight soon, and make sure to include the landing at the end =)
Q8..try reviewing the Schweitzer 300cbi and Hughes MD 500😎
Thanks for making a suggestion. I will take a look!
Hi,
I bought my xplane 10 from steam
So is there anyway I can get Xplane11 for free?!?
Thanks!
When did you purchase XP10?
Hi there ! have you jump in a balck hole ? We are only in June XD Just kidding mate :)
psour33 Hahah I have wrote 7 instead of 6 because 6 and 7 are close together
Q8Pilot on June 2016
lol that was a joke :)
DEAMFOIL?
0:28
Yes looks like I made a typo.
no worries, still a good video
are you an english native speaker? just wondering...
No I am not =)
Did you know the air-vents work, using the mouse.
Why did you not attempt a landing before ending the video? It's ok to crash land when you're a newb at helicopter flying.
9:39 birds to the left lol
the hell with the ADI right?
Horizonte artificial está off
Beautifully modeled heli but spool up sounds cartoonish. What would it take to drive to an airport & record the actual sound of a B407 startin up?? Heck, you could record sittin in your car hangin the mic out the window. Common Dreamfoil!! Really?
Hopefully they would improve the sounds in the next update. Thanks for watching!
yes, I totally agree about the sounds. it gets worse when you use xprealistic as there is this incredibly annoying knocking sound when you are spooling up the turbine, like its a piston engine or something starting up. I usually turn off xprealistic when starting up the turbine and then turn it back on once the rotor is up to flight rpm.
s david p. Is it like a “tick tick tick” sound before you introduce fuel? That would be the igniter. Happens in real life as well unless you pull the breaker. But then it wouldn’t start.
No brother, the sounds are perfectly realistic , Real life 407 has the same sound
That helipad texture ugh
Yes it is pretty bad!
Um ja it is wery realistiek and kompleat
The sound pack for this Heli is awful.
very nice video! Perhaps you can answer this but how do you prevent speeding up but still increasing altitude when you raise the collective during landing?
As you are landing, you pull back on the cyclic to raise the nose of the helicopter. That reduces the forward speed. At the same time, you lower the collective to reduce the lift and keep your vertical speed descent speed about 500 ft /sec. Don't descend too much faster than 500 or you'll get into a vortex ring state (VRS) where you're descending faster than your air column and your rotors won't be able to produce lift and you'll crash. You learn about VRS very quickly if you fly the Huey in DCS. Trust me, I speak from experience :-D
@@CharlesDSmith-mv7zi 5 months later I thank you for your response :)
@@CharlesDSmith-mv7zi I noticed... first I flew the AS 350B3, smaller and powerfull. With the 407 I crashed many times due to this...