Got 50 cal flintlock TC Hawken some forty years ago from a friend who couldn’t master the flash so near his face.Cost 160 bucks,persevered and mastered it in a month or two.Wish to God I had that pamphlet that TC gave out with every gun they sold,had three copies and lost them all,DANG!Worth their weight in gold for loading information,thorough to the Nth degree!
I have to comment on your shooting ability. I urge everyone who watches this video to watch carefully when he shoots. His cheek does not leave the stock. That my friends is called follow through. There is one way to master this that I have used. I take aim at a target 15 yards away, I then close my eyes and squeeze off a shot. After the shot (it does not matter if you hit the target) you should have your eyes on the sight. If you are not on the sights it means that you lifted your head. It takes practice and concentration to do this but once your muscle memory is solid your shooting will improve 100%.
I went with 3 of my squad to a NC gun store in August 91 outside Ft Bragg after we got back from Desert Storm. The other guys bought various 9mms and a Desert Eagle 50. I was the baby of the group having turned 19 in Iraq but it was verboten for me to buy anything but a rifle. 🤦♂️ I was sick of military style rifles and didn’t need another bolt action or lever action (actually my dad’s). Bought a TC Hawken 50 factory built. Still have it and ran 777 fff with ball and conical this past Saturday. Still holding zero after all these years. Only gun I own that I still smile (giggle TBH) when shooting.
Love my TC Hawkens. One is a cap and the other a flint. Both seem to like .490 round ball and a .15 lubed patch. About Gun Broker, don't know much about it. Always bought most of mine from private owners about town. That was in the 90s and early 2000s when you would see these Hawkens everywhere. Figure most have been scarfed up by now making finding them much more difficult. Would like to find a .45 cal but not on the hunt for one. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for the comment. I agree on the 490 and 015 patch when I shot it off camera the 015" shot true. I always wanted the tc hawken and passed many over the years even when they were still new , I've always said I'll get one and just kept passing , well now I have both the 45 and 50 and they are fun , I love em for the fact that they did so much for our sport , even if it's not a true hawken. My local shops have some but all in similar or worse condition for 600 -800 crazy high prices I might have gone that high for new in the box but not used unless exceptional.
@@redeagletrapping You;re right about the prices nowadays. I think I paid somewhere around $100 to $150 each for my TC Hawkens. In-lines were becoming the craze at the time. Both were in very good shape and no one really wanted them any more. I remember seeing them in the 70s and 89s going for around 7 or 800 new. I guess you could say that they rekindled the past when they first came out. I'll be looking forward to hearing about your .45 cal Hawken. Thanks for the video..
I broke the stock on my 45, put it back together with Accra Glass and steel pins, only shoot round balls with light charges. My 50 I shoot 400 grain bullets with 80 grains of 2f.
I'm new at this and have just purchased my first muzzloader. It is a .50 cal., and I am going to try .015 patches to start, with a .50 cal. ball from Hornady. I am going to use the ox yoke patches. Did I miss it in the video? When you switched patches and went to the ox yoke's, did you stick with the .010's, or go to .015? Thanks.
My go to is the ox yoke .015th patches and the .490 round ball my load is 60 gr 2f and for my woods on ne deer that punches holes both sides and puts em down 80 yards and in. I rarely use the .010 only have 1 gun that shoots well with them. Congrats on the 50 and hope you enjoy it. 😊
I bought a white Mountain Carbine ( t/c ) at a pawn shop a couple weeks ago . Thelso had a .50 cal t/c .50 cal. Hawkins rifle , but , it was rusty ( inside the muzzle was red rusty ) . I wasn't sure if I could save it . When the rifle looks like that , what's the odds it can be saved ? EDIT : Does Anyone know what twist rate these carbines are ?
Hey most of the barrels can be saved. Plug the breech at nipple end pour solvent in it let sit a few days , then slowly scrub it with abrasives. I use brillo pads and the steel wool on an undersized cleaning brush just keep at it. I also really like using balistol to clean it up. If out side is bad you can strip the finish and then re blue it. I just would not pay alot for it. You can find decent used ones for 250-350 and excellent ones for 400 plus.
@johnhoward7298 not necessarily just probably not accurate. Still may be fun plinking You can try it , best accuracy I'd definitely a conical. If you don't cast yest nows a good time to start
I had a TC Hawken that was passed to me from my father. I have now passed it on to my son. I now own a TC in line 50 caliber because it is so much easier to clean and I have a ton of shotgun primers. I don't normally use pellets but I do have some. I've learned to make my own black powder and have refined it quit a bit. I now am in the market for a flintlock just to remove the need for primers. I don't know what will happen in the future with our gun laws but I do not trust dimocrats to allow them to remain in tact.
I totally understand I thought about making BP I've read up on ot , luckily I have lots saved rt now. The inlines are definitely easy , mine. Sucks but it's because the bore mic'd large. That's a great thing to be able to pass those on. Thanks for the comment
Yeah I used to use more but 60 punch3s through northeast deer and I have not lost any yet. I've done some chrono testing and real harvesting they drop nice at 60gr when I used 80 -100 just had loss of accuracy and deer still died though. Appreciate the comment
People my age are dropping like Flies and their family's just want money so they Hock the fire Arm's at a pawn shop for $26.50 or have a small gun store sell them for a fair price last year I seen one for $250.00. Yeah Ox Yoke patche's are great,.... but I get pillow ticking at walmart and use Thonpson Centers Bore Butter for patches. 65 grains of FFFand a round ball,.... and see pillow Ticking is thicker. Old guys die all the time look at tiny gun stores and get one for $100-$200.
Got 50 cal flintlock TC Hawken some forty years ago from a friend who couldn’t master the flash so near his face.Cost 160 bucks,persevered and mastered it in a month or two.Wish to God I had that pamphlet that TC gave out with every gun they sold,had three copies and lost them all,DANG!Worth their weight in gold for loading information,thorough to the Nth degree!
Here's the manual :
www.scribd.com/document/334480330/Hawken-Manual
@@redeagletrapping I thank you very much!If I may say “Keep your powder dry”!
@steveg8322 absolutely glad to help, they are great
@@redeagletrappingthey want money to read manual
I have to comment on your shooting ability. I urge everyone who watches this video to watch carefully when he shoots. His cheek does not leave the stock. That my friends is called follow through. There is one way to master this that I have used. I take aim at a target 15 yards away, I then close my eyes and squeeze off a shot. After the shot (it does not matter if you hit the target) you should have your eyes on the sight. If you are not on the sights it means that you lifted your head. It takes practice and concentration to do this but once your muscle memory is solid your shooting will improve 100%.
Always enjoy seeing you shoot.
I went with 3 of my squad to a NC gun store in August 91 outside Ft Bragg after we got back from Desert Storm. The other guys bought various 9mms and a Desert Eagle 50. I was the baby of the group having turned 19 in Iraq but it was verboten for me to buy anything but a rifle. 🤦♂️ I was sick of military style rifles and didn’t need another bolt action or lever action (actually my dad’s). Bought a TC Hawken 50 factory built.
Still have it and ran 777 fff with ball and conical this past Saturday. Still holding zero after all these years. Only gun I own that I still smile (giggle TBH) when shooting.
Thank you for serving. That is such a great memory. I'm glad you still have the tc , and still shooting it, they definitely do make us smile.
In like 1982 I paid $250.00 for my New Englander at K-Mart.
Love my TC Hawkens. One is a cap and the other a flint. Both seem to like .490 round ball and a .15 lubed patch. About Gun Broker, don't know much about it. Always bought most of mine from private owners about town. That was in the 90s and early 2000s when you would see these Hawkens everywhere. Figure most have been scarfed up by now making finding them much more difficult. Would like to find a .45 cal but not on the hunt for one. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for the comment. I agree on the 490 and 015 patch when I shot it off camera the 015" shot true. I always wanted the tc hawken and passed many over the years even when they were still new , I've always said I'll get one and just kept passing , well now I have both the 45 and 50 and they are fun , I love em for the fact that they did so much for our sport , even if it's not a true hawken.
My local shops have some but all in similar or worse condition for 600 -800 crazy high prices I might have gone that high for new in the box but not used unless exceptional.
@@redeagletrapping You;re right about the prices nowadays. I think I paid somewhere around $100 to $150 each for my TC Hawkens. In-lines were becoming the craze at the time. Both were in very good shape and no one really wanted them any more. I remember seeing them in the 70s and 89s going for around 7 or 800 new. I guess you could say that they rekindled the past when they first came out. I'll be looking forward to hearing about your .45 cal Hawken. Thanks for the video..
I built a TC Hawken 50 cal back in 1976 and would shoot it at 25yrds 70gr. 3F round ball .490 and hit the X just about every time!!
I broke the stock on my 45, put it back together with Accra Glass and steel pins, only shoot round balls with light charges. My 50 I shoot 400 grain bullets with 80 grains of 2f.
Nice T/C Hawken! A fine rifle at a great price. Thanks for the advice on Gun Broker. 👍
Thanks and you are welcome
GREAT INFO REGARDING GUN BROKER BIDDING THANKS. I BID WHAT I WANT TO PAY PLUS POSTAGE THANKS
I'm new at this and have just purchased my first muzzloader. It is a .50 cal., and I am going to try .015 patches to start, with a .50 cal. ball from Hornady. I am going to use the ox yoke patches. Did I miss it in the video? When you switched patches and went to the ox yoke's, did you stick with the .010's, or go to .015? Thanks.
My go to is the ox yoke .015th patches and the .490 round ball my load is 60 gr 2f and for my woods on ne deer that punches holes both sides and puts em down 80 yards and in.
I rarely use the .010 only have 1 gun that shoots well with them.
Congrats on the 50 and hope you enjoy it. 😊
Mine is old enough that it doesn't have the Black powder only .warning or the Hawken name. I love it because it is so easy to clean.
That's cool , the one I was bidding on before was a no warning one. So cool.
Mine has a single trigger, express sights and a 1 in 38 twist, no black powder warning, probably 1970 or 71.
I have one also with no warning or Hawken name. I paid 80 bucks for it in like 1990 .
@thompsonjerry3412 very cool
I bought a white Mountain Carbine ( t/c ) at a pawn shop a couple weeks ago . Thelso had a .50 cal t/c
.50 cal. Hawkins rifle , but , it was rusty ( inside the muzzle was red rusty ) . I wasn't sure if I could save it . When the rifle looks like that , what's the odds it can be saved ?
EDIT :
Does Anyone know what twist rate these carbines are ?
Hey most of the barrels can be saved. Plug the breech at nipple end pour solvent in it let sit a few days , then slowly scrub it with abrasives. I use brillo pads and the steel wool on an undersized cleaning brush just keep at it. I also really like using balistol to clean it up. If out side is bad you can strip the finish and then re blue it. I just would not pay alot for it. You can find decent used ones for 250-350 and excellent ones for 400 plus.
White mountains were 1:20" believe
@@redeagletrapping I'm guessing patched round ball is out .?
@johnhoward7298 not necessarily just probably not accurate. Still may be fun plinking You can try it , best accuracy I'd definitely a conical. If you don't cast yest nows a good time to start
So Hawken bros figured out the 1:48 twist with paper and pencil 150 years ago and they have yet to be proven wrong. Interesting.
I had a TC Hawken that was passed to me from my father. I have now passed it on to my son. I now own a TC in line 50 caliber because it is so much easier to clean and I have a ton of shotgun primers. I don't normally use pellets but I do have some. I've learned to make my own black powder and have refined it quit a bit. I now am in the market for a flintlock just to remove the need for primers. I don't know what will happen in the future with our gun laws but I do not trust dimocrats to allow them to remain in tact.
I totally understand I thought about making BP I've read up on ot , luckily I have lots saved rt now.
The inlines are definitely easy , mine. Sucks but it's because the bore mic'd large.
That's a great thing to be able to pass those on.
Thanks for the comment
Increase your powder load. 60 grns is a minimum load for 50 cal.
Yeah I used to use more but 60 punch3s through northeast deer and I have not lost any yet. I've done some chrono testing and real harvesting they drop nice at 60gr when I used 80 -100 just had loss of accuracy and deer still died though.
Appreciate the comment
I dont bid. Your strategy is perfect but if something doesnt have a buy now option/strait price, I move on. That was a good story though
Thanks
Thicker patches thicker patches. I have great results with thicker patches
Correct which I why I say I always use thicker patches. Their the best. This was for experiments showing the importance of load development.
Thanks
People my age are dropping like Flies and their family's just want money so they Hock the fire Arm's at a pawn shop for $26.50 or have a small gun store sell them for a fair price last year I seen one for $250.00.
Yeah Ox Yoke patche's are great,.... but I get pillow ticking at walmart and use Thonpson Centers Bore Butter for patches.
65 grains of FFFand a round ball,.... and see pillow Ticking is thicker.
Old guys die all the time look at tiny gun stores and get one for $100-$200.
If You're going to shoot , at least use a split screen shot w/target . ( Or better yet just show the target )