Is Gemini II a Stella desktop?

When I first got back into the Atari ST I remembered that my Favourite desktop was Gemini. However once i I installed it I got a shock! It wasn't what I remembered.
This is the story of how I found the Gemini I remembered and reconnected with it once more.
This is an instalment in my battle of the desktops series.
_Chapters
00:00 - Introduction & Gemini II Desktop
02:31 - The file and edit menus
06:31 - The view menu
09:29 - The extras menus
14:46 - Setting the desktop background
16:32 - Setting Icons for apps and files
19:20 - The console mupfel in Gemini
23:58 - Gemini II in high resolution mode
24:35 - Conclusions

[@makerspace6636]

When you consider how little memory this desktop software needed and how well it performed. And today? At some point, software developers took a wrong turn. 😢

[@commodoreisnottheonlyfruit]

Very true. But then again, Skyrim 😀

[@retrosim4197]

You should definitely put up a vid that shows off Kobold. Amazing little app, with 'little' being the operative word. Something like 12KB if I remember correctly. Written in 100% assembler. The best £49 I ever spent.

[@paulwratt]

Besides the font and the (in my opinion) well thought-out menu system, I think _hook-abitlity_ of the GEM environment is why I love the Atari's so much. It was because of the _GEM File Selector_ extender programs that I realised you could use Windows in a similar way (the file selector is a cut down Explorer)

[@paulwratt]

Interestingly That second (3rd?) item in the _Wildcards_ dialog prety much dates the use of this version of Gemini , which is to show ASP and PHP files. Gemini was written with "programming" in mind, hence the inclusion of Mupfel, unlike most other Desktops which required a 3rd Party Shell - I remember finding Mupfel scripts that would compile a software project, and thats how _I_ found out about Gemini (the .99 version)

[@commodoreisnottheonlyfruit]

I used Gemini and had compilers for pascal, modula-2, modula-3 and C. But it was using Latex that got me hooked.

[@thetechnoshed]

I don't think I'd ever seen that version of Gemini. I remembered the huge icon 1.0 version and never saw the appeal of that one, TBH. Now I know what you were blathering on about previously. ;)

[@commodoreisnottheonlyfruit]

I blather therefore I exist :-)

[@paulwratt]

With your Kobold review, be aware that there some issues that can destroy a FileSystem with modern setups, there were some threads on the MiNT mail list around 2010-2012 I think and some posts on Atari Forum about it too (after 2012, maybe 2016) - it might be directly related to using Kobold in conjunction with XaAES & TeraDesk, or _long file name filesystems_ or both (sorry those are just off the top of my head - but someone did diagnose the issue)

[@commodoreisnottheonlyfruit]

That's interesting. I'm also curious how it fits in with modered SD card HD repacements.

[@AdamKlobukowski]

Mupfel is not a console, it is a shell that is running in the console.

[@josephceklosky6875]

Where can I get a copy of Gemini used here?

[@commodoreisnottheonlyfruit]

goto exxosforum.co.uk/atari/PDL/FLOPPYSHOP/
select section utilities
search gemini
look for UTL-0401.zip and UTL-400.zip
the english language resource i got here
www.atari-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=9870&sid=af2a40165d9acc3a956d31a666d808b1

[@j.tann1970]

You keep saying TOS instead of GEM. And before you say Gemini II runs on TOS, that's not what I mean. For example, when you checked the small icon mode you referred to it's behaviour as being the same as in TOS. TOS does not do icons, that's GEM and the GDI. You know this as you have previously explained it in other videos! lol

[@commodoreisnottheonlyfruit]

I were perfect, but i'm not. I make mistakes