Getting this years-later reviews of your tools is super interesting. Both the what's wrong with them and what's worked well. Thank you for taking the time to put this together.
I really appreciate that this video was not titled something click batey like "you won't believe what the inside of this 5 year old, homemade belt sander looks like"
Matthias really is one of the nicest, most thoughtful and interesting creators on youtube. His infectious enthusiasm brightens up my day every time a video comes out, no matter the subject.
I think these updates are important so folks know about maintenance issues. I wish there were more like this from tool manufacturers that are as brutally honest as yours.
Funny this video came up, as I had to fix a little issue on mine last week. The wooden spring things (I had 2 pieces of ash, 4mm thick, can't remember what the plans call for and haven't checked) were both broken, and obviously I had no more tension on my belt. I replaced them with the same, see how it holds. Over the years I've built many jigs and machines from Matthias, and not only did it teach me many things but it brings joy every time I use them. And they're very easy to fix because I've built them in the first place. The guy is a Saint! 😁
That's awesome. It takes some serious patience and time investment to make these machines! I've tried and failed a few times. Little inaccuracies add up quickly.
I really like how you can demonstrate things in examples, like that wiggle in the aluminum pulley at 3:30 ... I always learn a lot from that! Thanks a lot.
How can anyone give this video a thumbs down!? Matthias, in my opinion is one of the most professional presenters on TH-cam. The manner in which he designs his projects and the manner that he builds them is a “bench mark” for all of us to attain.
@@ajl9491 Hey man, you had me laughing over here! I guess it is because I tend to make similar comments like that. I struggle to express my self properly, with proper English. (Afrikaans speaking - very similar to Dutch.)
Omg,i been following your TH-cam channel more than 5 year already..seeing you right now with that silver hair really making me remember all the video that you make.. really love your channel especially when you are making project just like the old time.. thanks for sharing your wisdom to us.. always looking to see your next project
I appreciate your desire to distill the build videos down to a shorter format, but I am also grateful that you are planning to keep the originals accessible...At least, I think that's what you told Steve Ramsey a few weeks ago. I imagine that may be difficult to do in the future, but as I slowly...very slowly...piece together the band saw, I really appreciate having the longer videos available. Mentally, I am a slow processor and the slower pace of your earlier videos makes it much easier to understand both the procedures and the engineering design that goes into your machines. Thank you for the years of knowledge you have contributed to the world through your videos.
1:11 i've used inner tube laid in a diagonal pattern and glued with 3M spray on glue. No need for fancy inner tubes. I think mine's 3 years old at this point, hasn't delaminated so far. A friend of mine who copied my inner tube thing didn't even bother with glue, he used one those paper thumb tacks with 4 legs on both ends of the strip to keep it on the roller, afaic, it's still working.
Thanks for the update. I’ve wanted a new belt sander for a long time now but haven’t been able to aford it. I bought your plans for this now and just finished making it. Lovely project and it works really great! I managed to sell my old and smaller sander for almost as much as i paid for the material to make this one.
Wow its been that long since the build? I remember that one vividly.! And once again your engineering abilities have increased mine with again great points of interest and merit. Thanks again Matthias for another great tutorial and video. and thanks for sharing. ECF.
You are something of a genius my friend. I take my hat off to you. Making wooden parts that last instead of metal is a technical challenge. Greetings from France.
Much respect for the fact that you Matthias can self audit his own work, not always a TH-camr's forte. I have the Shopsmith 6 inch belt sander which I really like and use nearly as much as any other tool. But I am jealous of the sideways? type sanders with long horizontal tables like the one in this video. Seems very useful.
Several times I have put a dab of blue Loctite on a pulley shaft as a temporary fix for it being slightly loose, and it has worked surprisingly well. It even locks moisture out to keep the parts from rusting together (These tend to be in a damp environment). The pulley isn't significantly harder to remove.
This is really a nice size horizontal belt sander. I don't know why no one makes one in a 6x48 size. I think they would be very popular with the WWing crowd. Thanks for updating us on how this sander of yours has held up over time. Like all the power tools you have built for your shop it is well engineered. On the belt tension could you add a third tensioning pulley that rides the outside of the belt using an adjustable spring to apply pressure.
I started my own design, which was going to be an oscillating sander using typewriter & dot matrix platens as the rollers, but I started stealing a little bit of your design here, a little bit there so what I ended up with is an almost exact mirror image of yours. One tiny thing I think I improved is a pair of fence brackets that are the same thickness as the belt guard so it sits nicely on that side without needing a stand
In your pulley video demonstration at 3:30, didn't that exact same thing happen to the Sears bandsaw repair fail video? It looks identical to the issue that occurred.
It's a very good project, I bought it and it's working fine, I've made some adjustments to the tension mechanism, but the rest is the same, and I've been sanding wood and aluminum on it and it's working fine.
Tip! I started using aluminum tape of various thincnesses (Thick HVAC and dollar store) as 'adhesive backed' shims on shafts. I layer it without overlapping the joints to keep the shaft profile round by cutting each layer at the flat. If you clean the shaft with alcohol, the tape sticks like crazy.
It's good to know that it lasts for quite a while, despite being made out of wood. Nice to know that you made some changes too, and what and why was changed. Is there any shop equipment that you're planning on replacing, building, fixing..?
This was awesome! Love the update, can you please do one for some other tools? Like the cycle vacuum, the box jointer, maybe even older band saws? So interesting! Also can't wait for the cut down video of the sander, I can't believe it's been 5 years since I watched you do that! Time flies
Great idea to shim loose pulleys. One might consider putting two shims in, each at 30 degrees off of the centreline. Then the pulley would be fully constrained with 3 points of contact and probably would never wiggle loose again.
How much is a pulley with a taperlock bushing at your place? Here in Germany you can get them for around 5€ for a bushing or a small pulley. They will even grip just a straight shaft without a key with great force.
Pulleys w loose belt should have a simple spring tensioner which you can adjust for + - guided by a side wood cylinder justb taller than bellt which can turn easily.
Hi Mathias, could you please include the skill level required to make the belt sander (from your plans)? Too difficult for someone with very basic carpentry skills? Thank you
I've used those taper-lock poly-V belt pulleys on big industrial machines ( ~50hp ) and you got me wondering if anyone makes anything similar but smaller for regular AX or BX series v-belts.
I used on on my milling machine (~3hp) and the answer is yes! They're also very reasonably priced. I paid about £10 here in the UK for a double V pulley and taper hub for a 28mm shaft.
The key would ensure against rotational slip, not the sloppy fit causing wobbling. As demonstrated, as the pulley rotates, it's constantly shifting position slightly relative to the shaft, which over time stretches, abrades, or in combination, makes the hole bigger. Tightening the fit with a shim prevents the movement, maintaining a constant position of the two relative to each other, preventing the hole from embiggening.
Question for anyone out there: If you had to rank Mathias' sanding machines in build complexity, which one is the easiest? Currently leaning towards the strip sander.
I'm making this sander right now. I had a bit of a panic in the start because it seemed so hard to build. But now that i'm getting close to the finish and i look back, it really isn't that hard to make. The only part where it's important to be really acurate is with the rollers and the alignement of them in the construction. Also use propper axial steel for the axels. I had to remake mine because they weren't round enough.
A 6x48 belt has quite a lot of abrasive surface compared to the usual 4x36 (or handheld 3x21 which are even smaller)....exactly double if I do the math. No wonder you used only 5 belts in 5 years.... 4x36 belts probably last just a few months each. Do you clean the belts with a cleaning stick ? Do you think those belt cleaning sticks help at all ? Would the bottom sole of an old sneaker work just as well ? Ideas for a future video.
Could you do an update on your green dust collector the one with the pales. How well is it working after all this time? How does it compare to a cheap small store bought one?
I'm not surprised it holds up so well, since you put so much thought and effort into making your machines. Though the wooden bearings impressed me, do you oil them?
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Wow you only used 5 or 6 sanding belts in 5 years? Am I doing something wrong? Because I am using about 5 sanding belts per year and I'm not even in the shop that often.
I don't think it matters, and highly doubt you care Matthias, but I just thought I'd mention that in the video you said fat bikes weren't common in 2006 which is true, but I think you meant 2016.
Induction motors are usually 1740 or 3600 RPM Or 1725 and 3450 if you take slip into account. I've seen them rated both ways. The slower speed is more common.
Getting this years-later reviews of your tools is super interesting. Both the what's wrong with them and what's worked well. Thank you for taking the time to put this together.
I really appreciate that this video was not titled something click batey like "you won't believe what the inside of this 5 year old, homemade belt sander looks like"
Matthias really is one of the nicest, most thoughtful and interesting creators on youtube. His infectious enthusiasm brightens up my day every time a video comes out, no matter the subject.
I think these updates are important so folks know about maintenance issues.
I wish there were more like this from tool manufacturers that are as brutally honest as yours.
Tool manufacrurers will never do this because they don’t want you to fix things. They want you to buy a new one.
Funny this video came up, as I had to fix a little issue on mine last week. The wooden spring things (I had 2 pieces of ash, 4mm thick, can't remember what the plans call for and haven't checked) were both broken, and obviously I had no more tension on my belt. I replaced them with the same, see how it holds.
Over the years I've built many jigs and machines from Matthias, and not only did it teach me many things but it brings joy every time I use them. And they're very easy to fix because I've built them in the first place.
The guy is a Saint! 😁
That's awesome. It takes some serious patience and time investment to make these machines! I've tried and failed a few times. Little inaccuracies add up quickly.
My wooden springs broke too, but like you, have held up since being replaced (with harder wood)
I really like how you can demonstrate things in examples, like that wiggle in the aluminum pulley at 3:30 ... I always learn a lot from that! Thanks a lot.
Yep, have used that add a shim a number of times with the setscrews... most times it is just cardboard or some paper.
Matthias pretty much wrote the book on how to make how-to videos.
Reminds me of the oldschool informative videos they used to show us in high school when they'd wheel in that oldschool TV on wheels lol.
Aluminium*
How can anyone give this video a thumbs down!? Matthias, in my opinion is one of the most professional presenters on TH-cam. The manner in which he designs his projects and the manner that he builds them is a “bench mark” for all of us to attain.
You know, if you keep talking about construction adhesive, John is going to know we all actually appreciate him.
John Heisz is the world wide supporter of construction adhesive
This kind of teardown update is pretty cool, tickles the engineer in me. Also crazy it's been that long since you made this sander.
Yeah. But I'd click on He "changes a lightbulb"
Yeah I know.. I think I remember when the original video came out. Time flies.
@@jamescollier3 yeah I'm with you, I watch them all lol
What's that engineer doing in you, as does your wife know?
@@ajl9491
Hey man, you had me laughing over here!
I guess it is because I tend to make similar comments like that.
I struggle to express my self properly, with proper English. (Afrikaans speaking - very similar to Dutch.)
Omg,i been following your TH-cam channel more than 5 year already..seeing you right now with that silver hair really making me remember all the video that you make.. really love your channel especially when you are making project just like the old time.. thanks for sharing your wisdom to us.. always looking to see your next project
I built this sander from your plans around 2 years ago. It's still going strong and I still love it!
I appreciate your desire to distill the build videos down to a shorter format, but I am also grateful that you are planning to keep the originals accessible...At least, I think that's what you told Steve Ramsey a few weeks ago. I imagine that may be difficult to do in the future, but as I slowly...very slowly...piece together the band saw, I really appreciate having the longer videos available. Mentally, I am a slow processor and the slower pace of your earlier videos makes it much easier to understand both the procedures and the engineering design that goes into your machines. Thank you for the years of knowledge you have contributed to the world through your videos.
one thing that i noticed since 7 years ago that you never get old
1:11 i've used inner tube laid in a diagonal pattern and glued with 3M spray on glue. No need for fancy inner tubes. I think mine's 3 years old at this point, hasn't delaminated so far. A friend of mine who copied my inner tube thing didn't even bother with glue, he used one those paper thumb tacks with 4 legs on both ends of the strip to keep it on the roller, afaic, it's still working.
Thanks for the update. I’ve wanted a new belt sander for a long time now but haven’t been able to aford it. I bought your plans for this now and just finished making it. Lovely project and it works really great! I managed to sell my old and smaller sander for almost as much as i paid for the material to make this one.
Wow its been that long since the build? I remember that one vividly.! And once again your engineering abilities have increased mine with again great points of interest and merit. Thanks again Matthias for another great tutorial and video. and thanks for sharing. ECF.
This update comes right when I am planning my own version of such a tiltable belt sander, inspired by you initially, 5 years ago..how time flies!
You are something of a genius my friend. I take my hat off to you. Making wooden parts that last instead of metal is a technical challenge.
Greetings from France.
Hi Matthias, thanks for an update. Hope you and your family is well
Great video... really like how evenly distributed the dust was in your belt sander dust collector... minimizes maintenance.
Going back and reviewing builds is often overlooked you are doing great 👍
Much respect for the fact that you Matthias can self audit his own work, not always a TH-camr's forte. I have the Shopsmith 6 inch belt sander which I really like and use nearly as much as any other tool. But I am jealous of the sideways? type sanders with long horizontal tables like the one in this video. Seems very useful.
Taper lock pulleys are what I have seen used in industrial applications. sounds like what you are describing.
Wow its held up remarkably well over the years. Nice build
nice update on a home made tool and how it holds up over time.
Several times I have put a dab of blue Loctite on a pulley shaft as a temporary fix for it being slightly loose, and it has worked surprisingly well. It even locks moisture out to keep the parts from rusting together (These tend to be in a damp environment). The pulley isn't significantly harder to remove.
Love the update videos. Really interesting to see where improvements can be made. Thanks Matthias
Thanks for the update! I find I often wonder about the machines in your videos. I can see them working... but wonder what wear and tear does occur.
Good God Matt, I have been following your videos since almost the begging and I'll be damned if I'll ever quit!
I have all your plans and hope to be able to build most of them one day when I have my own home. This sander will likely be one of the first I make.
You can patch the caulk with similar caulk mixed w baking flour. In fact flour makes a decent thickened for lots of glues.
This is really a nice size horizontal belt sander. I don't know why no one makes one in a 6x48 size. I think they would be very popular with the WWing crowd. Thanks for updating us on how this sander of yours has held up over time. Like all the power tools you have built for your shop it is well engineered.
On the belt tension could you add a third tensioning pulley that rides the outside of the belt using an adjustable spring to apply pressure.
I really enjoyed that video. Giving us these peeks into your shop and build really spark my imagination. You are very much an inspiration in my life
Has it really been 5 years+ I've been watching you, dam
I started my own design, which was going to be an oscillating sander using typewriter & dot matrix platens as the rollers, but I started stealing a little bit of your design here, a little bit there so what I ended up with is an almost exact mirror image of yours. One tiny thing I think I improved is a pair of fence brackets that are the same thickness as the belt guard so it sits nicely on that side without needing a stand
In your pulley video demonstration at 3:30, didn't that exact same thing happen to the Sears bandsaw repair fail video? It looks identical to the issue that occurred.
yes, same issue.
On machines shafts the pulleys usually fit quite tightly. Cold rolled steel off the self not so much.
It's a very good project, I bought it and it's working fine, I've made some adjustments to the tension mechanism, but the rest is the same, and I've been sanding wood and aluminum on it and it's working fine.
Matthias, I've found silicone self adhesive tape works well as a grip surface for drive roller. Been 3 years on my belt sander
Yes, it was nice to see the update, thank you for it.
Tip! I started using aluminum tape of various thincnesses (Thick HVAC and dollar store) as 'adhesive backed' shims on shafts. I layer it without overlapping the joints to keep the shaft profile round by cutting each layer at the flat. If you clean the shaft with alcohol, the tape sticks like crazy.
Have had bad experience with tape. The glue never hardens, and constant pressure makes it ooze out.
It's good to know that it lasts for quite a while, despite being made out of wood. Nice to know that you made some changes too, and what and why was changed.
Is there any shop equipment that you're planning on replacing, building, fixing..?
This was awesome! Love the update, can you please do one for some other tools? Like the cycle vacuum, the box jointer, maybe even older band saws? So interesting! Also can't wait for the cut down video of the sander, I can't believe it's been 5 years since I watched you do that! Time flies
the thing is, there isn’t much to say. I just use them.
@@matthiaswandel fair enough :)
I have had really good success using pop cans as shim stock.
Nice! I bought the plans for this a couple of years ago, still haven't gotten around to building it! 🙈
I see those plan purchases as a way to support creator and say "thank you" for all the joy their work brings - I end up not using them also :D
@@lutheduck for sure 👍
Can’t believe 5 years have already passed!
It’s already 5 years!! Holy crap time is running fast.
Seems like it did really well for the use it has had.
1:04 "Back in 2006" + 5 year update scared me. I thought it was 2011 again. It's too early in the morning for this.
oops, can't fix that now.
tripped me too lol
Was clearly a minor slip of the tongue, time flies, but I not THAT fast!
Was trying to figure out the the math on that one😂
This was interesting to see how things hold up over time. I do this myself because much is learned in the retrospective.
Great idea to shim loose pulleys. One might consider putting two shims in, each at 30 degrees off of the centreline. Then the pulley would be fully constrained with 3 points of contact and probably would never wiggle loose again.
I was just rewatching the belt sander build when this showed up!
The power of the "algorithm"! It's weird how it feels like you have free will to choose what you watch, isn't it?
@@davebashford3753 indeed good sir
How much is a pulley with a taperlock bushing at your place?
Here in Germany you can get them for around 5€ for a bushing or a small pulley.
They will even grip just a straight shaft without a key with great force.
None available locally.
I j ust saw your video and am impressed on your work in regards to your work on the saw.
What a brilliant man!
I have learned so much from you over the years!
Thank You!
Pulleys w loose belt should have a simple spring tensioner which you can adjust for + - guided by a side wood cylinder justb taller than bellt which can turn easily.
Hi Mathias, could you please include the skill level required to make the belt sander (from your plans)? Too difficult for someone with very basic carpentry skills? Thank you
The update was nice. Thanks Matthais!
It's been 5 years already? Feels like only yesterday
You'll be saying the same thing about this video in five years. (2026) Time flies. See you then! :P
And he even misspoke and said 2006 instead of 2016 @ 1:05 :P
I've used those taper-lock poly-V belt pulleys on big industrial machines ( ~50hp ) and you got me wondering if anyone makes anything similar but smaller for regular AX or BX series v-belts.
I used on on my milling machine (~3hp) and the answer is yes! They're also very reasonably priced. I paid about £10 here in the UK for a double V pulley and taper hub for a 28mm shaft.
Holy crap 5 years? I remember when you made it.
3:13 on that “set-screw pulley”, aren’t you supposed to have a key in there? And use the set-screw to keep the key in place.?
yes, but that doesn't change the problem.
The key would ensure against rotational slip, not the sloppy fit causing wobbling. As demonstrated, as the pulley rotates, it's constantly shifting position slightly relative to the shaft, which over time stretches, abrades, or in combination, makes the hole bigger.
Tightening the fit with a shim prevents the movement, maintaining a constant position of the two relative to each other, preventing the hole from embiggening.
Thanks, Matthias. Great update.
Pretty interesting, Matthias! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
cracks in the pully are grain vs stress point .. nail. Look at their angles in relation to the nail
they don't go to the middle where the nail is. Also, they are all around. Please do look at the video.
I wonder of threadlocker would work instead of shim?
Just watched it it's held up well for a home made wooden one
I’ve been telling myself I’m going to make one of these for five years now
you should get chunks of UHMW it mathines like wood with stands 1800 degrees
used that stuff here and there. It hasn't held up anywhere.
Question for anyone out there: If you had to rank Mathias' sanding machines in build complexity, which one is the easiest? Currently leaning towards the strip sander.
I'm making this sander right now. I had a bit of a panic in the start because it seemed so hard to build. But now that i'm getting close to the finish and i look back, it really isn't that hard to make. The only part where it's important to be really acurate is with the rollers and the alignement of them in the construction. Also use propper axial steel for the axels. I had to remake mine because they weren't round enough.
@@mr_oskel6225 That's really encouraging, thank you!
A 6x48 belt has quite a lot of abrasive surface compared to the usual 4x36 (or handheld 3x21 which are even smaller)....exactly double if I do the math. No wonder you used only 5 belts in 5 years.... 4x36 belts probably last just a few months each.
Do you clean the belts with a cleaning stick ? Do you think those belt cleaning sticks help at all ? Would the bottom sole of an old sneaker work just as well ?
Ideas for a future video.
I clean them a lot, until they are completely worn out.
its been five years already? good god
The pulleys are Zinc not aluminum...Anyhow i love the idea of shimming them.
1:04 Did you build a wooden time machine? Very nice video. I'm always curious to see these machines again and how they hold up.
5 years!?! Wow where does the time go?
Could you do an update on your green dust collector the one with the pales. How well is it working after all this time? How does it compare to a cheap small store bought one?
Man the time runs like a train, i watched that video 5 years ago when it came out... Now its 2021 O_o
You could update me on your local weather and I would still watch it 😂
Held up well for a home made wooden one.
Hey Matthias, the urls for the belt sander plans and the other one, should be proceded by https instead of http
Wooden bearing for 5 years!? I am shocked
He hardly uses it. He says he goes through one belt a year, which is nothing.
I wish every tool manufacturer issued updates on things they could have done better!
I'm not surprised it holds up so well, since you put so much thought and effort into making your machines. Though the wooden bearings impressed me, do you oil them?
two set screws to push it into the corner of a hole made me smirk
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I love updates. What happened to the collaboration between you and John so long ago?
Nice update!
Great update!
Per favore inserisci i sottotitoli nelle varie lingue. Grazie e complimenti per il canale.
Really thought Matthias was breaking into a spoken word version of Starship's jukebox belter... "I built this [city on rock and roll]".
How about making a pulley out of MDF or HDF? Would it work or would it be too soft?
MDF would be far too soft.
Have you considered flat belt instead of a v belt?
Played with that in the past, not worth it.
Can’t wait to watch this!!!!!
Thats one damn good sander
Wow you only used 5 or 6 sanding belts in 5 years?
Am I doing something wrong? Because I am using about 5 sanding belts per year and I'm not even in the shop that often.
I clean them often
I don't think it matters, and highly doubt you care Matthias, but I just thought I'd mention that in the video you said fat bikes weren't common in 2006 which is true, but I think you meant 2016.
It's been 5 years since we saw you build this?... That's disconcerting :I
5 Years already? How dare you time!
Amazing videos ❤️
Hi, your motor is 2800 rpm or 1450 rpm, sorry my english is bad.
Induction motors are usually 1740 or 3600 RPM Or 1725 and 3450 if you take slip into account. I've seen them rated both ways. The slower speed is more common.