Puck your a money hungry grub, Puck your Patreon, CuriosityStream & Nebula. The sooner one of the casino's slaps you around the better. Oh and Puck the gaming commission to!
Imagine calling "card counting" as "fraudulent activity"? It's like calling the kid who memorizes/studies the material and aces the test a "cheater" and fail them for it.
Well, in the new America, it will be a crime to think, have a IQ over 85 at all. Soon... if you're not all but a robot you won't be allowed to continue, way to costly to the elites.
@@exposingthetruth3821 it's agitating that not only your regular police but also the freaking gaming commission "police" are willingly misinterpreting the law to pressure people into showing IDs. Bet they patted their backs after this thinking they had the bad guy why they were the bad guys all along.
Impersonating a police officer is the fraudulent activity in this situation. This is a lawyers dream to take on this casino. Card counting is illegal? What a clown world we live in right now.
@@daren32909 Law enforcement, yes. But are they police per se, and are they allowed to represent themselves as such? Genuine question, not trying to stir anything up.
@@PerMortensen According to a quick google search the CO gov website states. "All Division investigators have the powers of peace officers and are certified as such.". AKA they hold the powers of the police and so can for reasonable interactions be considered such.
I would think an attorney would be champing at the bit to sue any casino which refuses to cash out chips, because they don’t like the way a player played. The state could be sued silly over their broad definition of “fraudulent activity”.
It seems as if they have what would be considered a limited commission. There are many types of limited commissions, such as State Fish and Game are law enforcement officers but do not have the same authorities as a standard police officer. However, they can still wear and represent themselves as a police officer when conducting their duties as defined by their commission.
Before each round, players are allowed to bet between $[table minimum] and $[table maximum]. During each round, players are allowed to "hit", "stand", or (depending on rules) "double down", or (sometimes) "split", or (depending on rules) "surrender". If a player is not violating one of these options (eg betting more than table max, entering mid shoe when not allowed, doubling on disallowed hands) how exactly is he *"not playing the game correctly"?* (Perhaps the cops think that card counters "ruin the order of the cards"?)
@@temujinkhan6326 yep the gaming commission regulates those machines, makes sure that they pay out 80 cents for every dollar put in. Ill just burn my money thanks, both activities get you a few seconds of flickering colors.
I've been thinking this for a long time about casinos - they get so angry and self righteous whenever someone cheats (or doesnt even cheat and just counts cards) While they've caused millions of people to lose their home and their family to gambling addiction without a peep.
They get even angrier when they are a franchise and they can’t even ban you permanently because the main office rescinds the ban after a short time. The security of our local casino has a pool going, how long it takes until a manager physically assaults me.
That is the smallest problem because the real problem is they have investors backing the casinos and if they fail to meet the quota they are in financial trouble too
The gaming commission in Co is ex cops, most have violated excessive force behavior and lost their regular cop jobs therefore getting hired by the commission. Colorado gaming commission is the absolute worst in the world.
as a recreational gambler who frequents several casinos in blackhawk, i was outraged seeing this. i just left a message with the lead investigator at the colorado gaming commission expressing my outrage and confusion over this situation. i expressed to them that i hope sheriff receives an apology and that a public statement is made to clarify the legality of the situation so that no innocent people are treated this way or threatened at any point in the future.
As a magic the gathering player, it angers me beyond belief. There is a concept called "revealed information". If you have seen it due to in game rules, you have the ability to know it. In high level play, people cast cheap spells that reveal the opponents hands to get an advantage, and often just write down the opponent's current hand. Extremely high level tournaments are often player with fully known deck lists, where the opponent knows all the cards in your 60 card deck. Once you know a deck list, you can 100% start mathing out every card you've seen that game. In black jack, if you see a card, it is... Illegal for you to remember it? Huh????
@@amandasjoberg463 Appears to be waiting to be scheduled. All parties have lawyered up. Some preliminary lawyer games to dismiss the case so far but nothing major.
Qualified immunity gets in the way. Even when they're breaking the law, as long as a 'reasonable person' is not expected to know the law. Ignorance is not a legal defense for civilians but for police officers it is.
No such cause of action in the U.S. The closest civil action would ne intentional infliction of emotional distress. This probably doesn't qualify and, even if it did, the officer is likely immune from personal suit (you can't take his own money.) You would, instead, sue his employer.
@@Huntracony Which is absolutely insane. Police officers are expected to enforce and uphold the law but they have a lower burden of knowledge than everyone else.
That guy needs to be fired from the Gaming Commission like yesterday. Impersonates a police officer, uses that impersonation as a means to detain someone, lies about card counting being illegal (which come on surely knowing that is part of his job) and just generally offers no impartiality at all
Card counting can be illegal, people need to remember that. And he's a law enforcement officer............... it's not impersonation if he is allowed to identify as such.
@@johndorian4078 the Gaming Commission Officer is employed by the Colorado Gaming Commission, which sits under the Department of Revenue in Colarado, so it doesn't appear that the person with the badge identifying himself as "Police" actually works as a Police Officer - certainly he can identify himself as Officer X but that's not what the badge says
@@CED99 even though he’s a gaming agent and not a Police Officer he still may be invested with detain and arrest privileges due any Law Enforcement Officer
A guy claiming to be a cop blocked him in with an SUV with flashing red and blue lights and prevented him from leaving. That's an arrest, unless the guy was not actually a cop, in which case it's an unlawful detention.
@@batlin even if it was an actual LEO, simply blocking him in is not considered an arrest? What are you talking about? This videos comment section is filled with people who have no clue what they're talking about. I'm guessing you're young and don't know better, but don't act like you do and try calling people out when you're completely wrong yourself.
@@user-hu8fn2jp5v This is incorrect. It is 100% illegal for them to refuse to cash him out, and they have no legal reason to ask for ID to cash out if the chips total out to less than $10k
Never been a huge fan of Casinos, but this puts it in a new light. The moment someone starts winning even a little they back them off. I hope more people see these videos and stop spending so much money at these traps.
If you represent yourself as law enforcement and you are in fact NOT law enforcement, that is impersonation of law enforcement and it is a very serious felony offense in this country. There was a teenager in New Mexico who put some flashing lights on his car and thought it would be funny to pull some people over and act like he was a cop. He's now a convicted felon.
@@Not_Ciel yes I know, I was just replying to his speculation that it seems like it would be illegal to present yourself as a cop if you aren't. I was confirming that it definitely is. I know he isn't from the US.
@@Not_Ciel i dunno if that would still count here though. A police officer and a law enforcement officer aren't exactly the same thing. For example, the FBI is law enforcement, however they can not legally state that they are police officers, as that is not true
@@Not_Ciel Their powers of law enforcement only apply to casinos. They are not police. They have no general police powers. This guy is committing a felony.
I'd love to see a new channel where a lawyer learns to count cards and then films all these interactions with casinos. I feel like a lawyer would stand their ground and even look forward to the chance to go to court (whether criminal or civil) over these miscarriages of the law. Seems like it would be a good revenue stream too.
I doubt it, because a lawyer would know there's a time and a place to "stand your ground" and that the legal system is all about technicalities and what judge/jury is hearing your case.
@@BitwiseMobile they hve to cash out his chips, that’s usually the entire issue they try to make him leave without his winnings so that’s the whole issue.
You just hit the nail on the head. The legal system is not designed to uphold righteousness and fairness and truth. The legal system is designed to be confusing and complex so that they can get away with their interpretation as well as get away with truly whatever they want. If something is so complex to the point that the average citizen doesn't understand the laws and the rules and the structure of said legalese the people stand no chance because the powers that be can do and say whatever they want and the people won't know if that's legal or not because of the complexity. In other words life is rigged for certain prominent ruling bloodlines. The ones who work on behalf of the ruling bloodlines get paid handsomely. Those are the ones who enforce the will of the 1% on the 99%. Also known as retainers to the nobility.
"You can *ASK* for my ID. *I DO NOT* have to produce it." Casino: "We wanted proof he is of age." Dude: "I provided ID ready, which is why I have wristband." Card counting is a skill, not cheating. This is why casinos can ban you, but not arrest or charge you.
They always seem to ride right on the line of legality. Especially in Vegas where legit most of them are in hotels where people under 21 have the ability to walk through, but not play unless they somehow get somebody else’s card like say a parent or friend of age. It’s just overall a shady business as we know all the machines and most tables are rigged.
Cause he is hardly a "lawyer" and barely knows what he is talking about most of the time. There is a reason a big corporate entity like youtube is okay with pushing his content
Looks like he's gonna earn a lot more than $300k with an easy lawsuit. If he doesn't sue the casino, police department, and gaming commission he's losing out on a big win.
Not as easy as you might think it is. Very difficult to beat the government in a lawsuit and these vole casinos because they're friends with the government.
@@haniotis3421 Especially since the detainment was lawful. Only thing he might win is his money the chips are worth + legal fees in small claims court most likely. And then that will be an uphill battle.
@@johndorian4078 "Especially since the detainment was lawful." No, because the CO gaming commission doesn't have officers with the power to arrest or detain individuals. Their enforcement powers only apply to casinos.
its absolutely ridiculous that a lawyer has to go to college, then law school, possibly do an internship and pass a very stringent exam just to practice law(about 7-8 years of schooling). while in some states its an 8-12 week course to enforce law. mind blowing
I hear this a lot. Do you know what states have an &-12 week police academy? I think it’s a myth. Need a degree at bare minimum to be a cop in the city I live.
I'm not certain about Colorado, but I know that in Missouri and Kansas the gaming commissions are actually Highway Patrol officers, since they're state unified police. So in Missouri and Kansas, they actually walk around wearing their police badges, and in Kansas, they have "police" written on the back of their uniforms. I assume it's the same for Colorado, but definitely don't quote me on that.
I said that about a cpl of Steven's other videos. I stumbled on that channel like a year ago and enjoy and learn from many of those videos. It has a big platform with a lot of views and subscribers and they always give credit to the original uploader so I think he would gain a lot of viewers. It would be beneficial to both.
So, using your head to count is wrong? That's fraudulent how? What that's essentially saying that being able to count is a criminal act in colarado 🤦♂️ also, just noticed, he said that "leading the casino to believe your not playing the game correctly" is enough to get police intervention what thats says to me is "lose all your money to us or we call the cops"
They are trying to assert that if you perform a mental act correctly (noticing and counting) it's fraudulent, but if you can't do that, or do it wrong, then it's legitimate. So your mind operating correctly is fraudulent and your mind working defectively is the correct way.
I was hoping he'd go into the legality of the gaming commission guy blocking his exit with a car equipped with red-and-blues and being effectively disguised as a real police officer. Unless the SUV we see at 2:06 belonged to the real police officer who arrived afterward, that seems approximately 'holy shit illegal' to be using, especially if you're also wearing a police disguise and detaining someone. Then one of the officers reminded me that they're in a city called Black Hawk, so I wouldn't be shocked if there's some kind of screwy tribal law thing at play...but considering that it's still a legal matter, I would have hoped a lawyer would help illuminate things.
He's not impersonating a cop though. He's dumb for sure, but not that dumb. The SUV blocking the only exit does seem kinda sketch for this situation though, cop or not.
I'd also wonder if police impersonation actually implies since it's private property and the cop-not-a-cop likely has permission from the property owner to conduct their activity. Regardless, the other comment about the Division of Gaming Cops being law enforcement is spot on so it doesn't matter. He's actually a cop.
Fun facts: In NJ, each casino has Division of Gaming Enforcement office in the casino. You don't have to call DGE if there's a problem- you just walk to the office. Several years ago, when the state government shut down for several weeks for lack of a budget, the casinos had to shut down too. That's because state law prohibits a casino from operating without a DGE employee on site, and since DGE is a government agency, none of the employees could work during the shutdown. DGE employees have since been classified as "essential workers", meaning that they can keep working if there's ever another shutdown. In 1982 the New Jersey Supreme Court ruled in Uston v. Resorts International Hotels, Inc that NJ casinos can't ban you from playing blackjack just because you're playing too well. Instead of kicking you out, they'll just use tactics like shuffling after every hand, until you just leave on your own.
The lawyer is wrong in the aspect that police may have had the reasonable suspicion to detain. The key here is that the gaming officer talked too much. He specifically says counting cards is illegal. There is a reason why you should never talk to police and there is a reason why police are almost always very vague when talking to a suspect. If the gaming officer just said we are investigating you because we suspect that you could be doing something fraudulent. Then that could be a number of different things. But he cornered himself when he specifically stated that it was for counting cards. Now he is detaining someone for something that isn't illegal. That is now an illegal detainment
He is also wrong in saying that police need probable cause to detain (and ID) you when they need only reasonable articulable suspicion. They need probable cause to arrest you. Very strange that the featured lawyer doesn't know that or glosses over it
Its because legal eagle is hardly a "lawyer" who has basically no real experience, and hardly understands a lot about the law. He is just a good face that youtube likes to push to the front because he bends the knee to their type of "advertiser friendly" content. If you have actual legal questions, definitely dont go to legal eagle
I don't know if it is an illegal detainment or not in this case however the lawyer is right, they are allowed to detain you even if you had done nothing wrong though the officer will have to have reasonable suspicion. Example if someone calls in a crime and states your exact description they will have reasonable suspicion to detain. This does not mean arrest.
@GollumGollum1000 That's what he stated? He said they may have had reasonable suspicion to detain him? Lol 8:40 It's a question of probable cause and not have I done something wrong, seems people don't understand wording lmao
@@SabentHD They don't have the reasonable suspicion to detain and we know this because the officer talked too much. The officer specifically says "counting cards". Well counting cards is legal and the officer knows that's what is going on. If he doesn't say that then like I said, the officer could claim that they suspect that he was doing something fraudulent. But even then if Steven were to sue over this false detention, the officer would have to state during the deposition, what crime he thought Steven could have broken. Also your example of an exact description does not always give reasonable suspicion. There would still have to be an investigation by the officer depending on the level of dangerousness of the crime. For example, a man calls 911 saying that the suspect (gives description) is trespassing on his property. The police get there and the suspect isn't on the property. The officer cannot detain the man, without gathering evidence that would indicate that the suspect could have broken the law. Now another example, if a man calls 911 and says the suspect (gives description) just shot him. The police are allowed to detain immediately when they see the suspect because of the dangerousness of the situation.
There are a number of jurisdictions where the gaming commission is an arm of law enforcement. For that reason, it is entirely possible that he was truly an officer of the law. In fact, in such jurisdictions, everyone on the gaming commission is a police officer.
So you’re saying if atf or fish and wildlife come around, they can legally wear “police” on their person? I think it’s a felony without specific language stating they can rebrand their agency as “police”. Impersonating legal agency is an extreme crime, and the law says so in every case. If police come upon impersonators I. Almost every scenario, it is likely they have weapons out. This is almost a slam dunk victory, unless there is a legal basis for his attire.
@@iamjohnrobot in Colorado the gaming commission is legit, Colorado POST certified police officers. they are police. The first guy was a nerd, but he is legit a police officer and is properly ID himself as such.
What a Gem! The last video of your I watched was from 4 years ago as you did some cool tricks with your girlfriend for 10 minutes. Imagine my surprise coming back 4 years later to see your card counting skills and related Backoffs! Excellent!
I just enjoy how much time and thought was put into the series I’ve watched all the episodes out twice through now and it’s amazingly planned. The purposeful way you delay the release of them as to not mess up your team. The intricacies of card counting and plans. The amount of training and hours you put in before play. This is a very underrated vlog series that even if it doesn’t fully take off now it will
Why blur out the cops face?Let the public see the utter buffoons our hard earned tax money goes to.He’s a public worker so his face and name can be shown.
@@bradentraub I thought you still had to blur their face and voice. But you can film them without a problem at least that's how I believe it is in canada
I think it’s very telling that the Gambling Commission officer immediately sends Sheriff on his way when the Casino confirms they’d refused to cash in his chips…
I watched all the videos as they came out and just now was thinking “damn TH-cam ain’t showing me any of his videos” it’s been 4 months and nobody is talking about it, can’t find any recent posts on any social media from him like has a mob boss killed him or is he just taking a hiatus?
How is there still so many people saying that counting cards is illegal? It’s not. In any state or under any law. There’s no laws specifically to do with counting cards. You can’t make something illegal that can’t be done naturally by practise etc. crazy
I always find it ironic that casinos get this way for a person being good at a game that they offer. Blows my mind. They use narcissistic tactics when trying to explain why a card counter is wrong. It's infuriating
I know nothing about card counting but to me it just sounds like a high level skill. Never understood why it is considered a crime nor how it can be enforced. It sounds like we are just criminalizing genius
You really can't prove someone is counting cards unless you read their mind. The most you can prove is that their betting patterns are consistent with card counting. And all a card counter is doing is keeping track of high and low cards as they are dealt out. A card counter is using information that is freely available to every player at the table to determine bet size and sometimes alter strategy (whither to hit stand, double or split).
I spent most of 20’s playing blackjack as my full time job. This stuff brings back some funny memories. I always loved when casinos would demand to see an ID.
@@laz0rbra1n anytime I was asked for mine I told them no. I was at a tribal casino in Michigan and played one night and everything was fine. Well the next morning when we went back the moment we walked in security came up to both my buddy and I and they said we had to leave so I went to the cage to cash out from the night before and security kept hounding me for my ID I kept telling him no. So they followed us out and then watched us get in our car so we drove by them and waved goodbye. Lol
@@Invictis248 It was really funny. The final year that I played my buddy and I hit a pretty rough stretch that we were both losing and I was SUPER burnt out on the constant traveling. I was in my late 20’s and was ready to settle down.
@@blackjack19811 Do you remember which one? Was it any of the soaring eagles, fire keepers, four winds, or gun lake casino? I’m turning 21 in less than a week and I’ve spent way too much time practicing for this but I dont wanna be harassed lol
Isn't impersonating a police officer literally an actual crime? The guy with the police tag should literally be going to jail and the actual police officer should be sued. why tf are casinos allowed to do this?
Not positive about the state of Colorado, but 97% sure the gaming commission is certified peace officers and can wear the label police/detain people for offenses involving gaming just like the police can.
Because Police officers aren't the only people able to wear that tag. There's such things as Company Police, Peace Officers, etc. It's not like the dude wearing that was a random guy from the Casino dressed up as a cop.
@@SharienGaming not exactly. There are such things as Company Police and Peace officers that are technically classified as law enforcement agencies, so they can technically wear Police on their uniform. I wouldn’t say they’re the same thing. From what I gather, it’s more akin to a security guard with law enforcement training. Though, I’m definitely no expert on the issue, just aware that those exceptions do exist. They are by no means the norm haha.
@@Not_Ciel if they are allowed to present themselves as police, they have the implied authority of police... normally police represents the state monopoly on violence and the accountability and oversight that comes with that (mind you... i know how laughable that is in the us... but thats another issue) and of course normally i would expect that if they are wearing a police uniform - they are required to help in a wide range of situations... that not something i expect of security guards... i think the point im ambling towards is that they get the to pose as police with none or barely any of the responsibilities associated with it and of course if they misbehave and you complain with the police...they dont know who the guy is, because he doesnt work there...
There is currently a lawsuit pending against Ameristar Casino, Colorado Gaming Division and Blackhawk Police dept. for either this incident or one almost identical (per a news account I read). I am a resident of Gilpin County and am sort of hoping I will serve on the jury for this, though I think it is very likely that it will be settled, as I'm pretty sure the attorneys for the defendants will advise them that they don't have a leg to stand on.
much as sam from wendover/HAI, or tom scott, bang on about nebula or curiosity stream on their videos this is the single most baited hook I've had yet. you've thrown so much of your work here that it's almost impossible to not follow through on a sub to, at the very least, find out wtf yer man endured as well as just get all the other cool stuff on that platform to support our favourite content creators and what they offer. i'm in.
This casino is one of my worst experiences I have ever dealt with from counting cards. I had a similar experience to Sheriff but was a bit fortunate that there was no police officer or gaming commission agent stopping me on my way out of casino. Then I can cash it out later without any problem.
In regard to your comment about the police knowing the law: One of the biggest mistakes you can make when interacting with the police in the US is assuming competence. US cops are among the most poorly trained in any first world country. Do not assume that they know what they are doing, know the law or are there to protect you. Especially when you're not the one who called them.
Have binged all your videos since I listened to you in Jaack’s happy hour podcast. This makes me so angry knowing that people get away with this with virtually no repercussions. I’m glad you expose them and I hope if they come across the video themselves they feel shame and embarrassment for their behaviour. Aside from this, these videos are super interesting so thanks for that, too!
What I don't get is how the real police didn't go "are you f****** kidding me?" seconds after hearing the fake cop say "You were stopped for card counting" and that the casino refused the cash out the chips. The fake cop literally admits that they were detaining this person for doing nothing illegal and that they themselves performed illegal activity. The cop should have ordered them to immediately let him go, cash out his chips, and offer to write a report that would provide evidence of false imprisonment for our card counter friend to sue in civil court later with. The real police should be mad these idiots are wasting their time. This is the problem with Police having the mindset of " why is this guy guilty?" and not " What happened here?", then reacting accordingly.
The best part of this video is that the only person committing a crime is the gaming security guard who is impersonating a police officer, which is literally against the law.
This reminds me in my legal studdies class, im in australia but my teacher was talking about crimes etc and then she said counting cards was illgeal and i was like… uhhh miss… Counting cards isnt illgeal? How is being smart and being able to calculate statistics illgeal?
Not a legal expert by any stretch, but that so-called "police officer" may have committed a felony. Look up CRS 18-8-112 - Impersonating a peace officer could lead to up to 18 months in jail or a fine up to 100k
Whoever falsely assumes or pretends to be an officer or employee acting under the authority of the United States or any department, agency or officer thereof, and acts as such, or in such pretended character demands or obtains any money, paper, document, or thing of value, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
@@stevenbridges I would think that it applies to anyone within the borders of the United States, false representation is pretty serious. The individual is making accusations of fraud and yet is falsely representing himself as police officer...
You appear to be quoting 18 USC 912. This refers to pretending to be an officer or employee acting under the authority of the US, ie a federal officer or department, agency, etc. official. The gaming commission officer is not pretending to be a federal official. He is wearing something that says he is police. You’d need to look to whether Colorado extends any police powers to the gaming officers. Look at CO Rev Stat 12-47.1-204. This may not be the current Colorado statute. And I didn’t consider whether any tribal issues are at play. The overall point is that there are nuances that non-lawyers often overlook. You can’t just look at a federal statute and think it applies universally.
seriously guys you hit alot of money. any lawyer will take this case. you cannot get detained by security, the casino, or cops for advantage play. this is a huuuuge lawsuit omg I wish this was me. congrats guys the city will prolly pay you 100k
How exactly do you figure that the city is liable? Casino? Yup. Gaming commission guy? Maybe. City officer just stood there. Didn't demand id or detain. Maybe lied a little but lying, especially by a cop, is not illegal or even immoral by todays standards.
what's happened in the end? does he sue? does he press charges? or does the casino apologise and offer him anything? There is never a conclusion to these things!
He brought all his card counting friends and they proceeded to dominate the entire casino. They won so much money the casino had to shut down and the CEO now works at McDonald's
The cops don't need probable cause to detain somebody, they need reasonable suspicion. I don't think they had reasonable suspicion that a crime occurred, but just saying, what the lawyer said was technically wrong.
They go hand in hand. They need RAS but to get RAS of a crime they need PC (probable cause) Saying Im detaining you for a crime but having no probable cause for that crime i.e witnessing it or having evidence of this crime means the detainment is illegal.
@@Spensero they need RAS for a detainment, they need probable cause for a search or an arrest. You don't need probable cause to have RAS, RAS is a lower standard than probable cause.
@@Spensero No, I'm saying that probable cause isn't needed for a detainment. Unless I'm misunderstanding you, you were saying that probable cause is needed.
so many things that irked me about the video of the altercation. Misrepresenting himself as police (in front of actual police!!), lying from the managers, misrepresenting the law. I've never gambled in CO but I definitely don't plan to now!
Big legal bill, most likely paid out by the casino since they'd lose the case. No consequences other then that. More interesting would be to sue the guy for impersonating a cop ;)
I would also note that the "numbers" (illegal lottery) games run by the mob typically skimmed about 10% of the action, whereas state run lotteries take 50%.
Casinos, especially in newer jurisdictions, have been abusing card counters. My friend was unlawfully detained and forced to produce ID in NH. Lawsuits need to start happening in the states with newer gaming laws.
Lawsuits will backfire and just require ID's to be given when ever you're cashing out................Even the argument of "i'm wearing an arm band" is a weak one. Give me some adhesive remover from walmart and a tube of super glue i'll give my 10 yr old a wrist ban to "prove he's of age"
@@johndorian4078 But as far as i know ID cards at the moment are not required to cash out. Also they could have also back track the video of him entering the casino if they really wanted too. detaining him for suspicion of card counting is illegal but then again casinos owns the courts
This makes me so angry. There are so many decent, legal ways casinos can deal with counters. The deck is weighted so heavily in there favour. Seein police abuse hteir powers (obviously at the behest of casinos) is so shitty. Counters are playing by the rules. If casinos won't play by the rules, then fuck couinting, I wouldn't be upset if legit cheaters got away with money from them. Allowing counters was always the compromise, the fair middle ground. if casinos can't play nice because they'll make slightly less hundreds of thousands they shouldn't be allowed at all.
Hi Steven, I have an interestiing idea. In the EU, under the regulations of the GDPR, a data subject (person) can access and file a request for deletion for all the data stored by a company/institution about oneself. Therefore, if you went to European casinos, you could theoretically show them your ID and then request a deletion of your data at the casino/the casino's affiliates (online databases). This way, they'd have to delete any information about you being a card counter in their database. Furthermore, in the EU companies are not allowed to share your information to third parties without consent. I think there is a lot of potential in circumventing databases by utilizing data regulations and would love to see a video using this technique (if you can call it that). Greetings!
Thanks for all the comments on this video so far! And thanks to Sheriff for sharing his story and @LegalEagle for sharing his legal opinion! 😃
the lawyer's video/audio e.g. at 6:00 are distressingly out of sync ;-)
This is why I don't go to casinos, anymore. It's not worth the trouble. They suck nowadays anyway!
Puck your a money hungry grub, Puck your Patreon, CuriosityStream & Nebula. The sooner one of the casino's slaps you around the better. Oh and Puck the gaming commission to!
Really interested to hear about any news that comes out of Sheriffs situation.
Legal Eagle is cringe tbh
Imagine calling "card counting" as "fraudulent activity"? It's like calling the kid who memorizes/studies the material and aces the test a "cheater" and fail them for it.
Well, in the new America, it will be a crime to think, have a IQ over 85 at all. Soon... if you're not all but a robot you won't be allowed to continue, way to costly to the elites.
@@exposingthetruth3821 it's agitating that not only your regular police but also the freaking gaming commission "police" are willingly misinterpreting the law to pressure people into showing IDs. Bet they patted their backs after this thinking they had the bad guy why they were the bad guys all along.
So true!
underrated comment
Suggesting it is is no different to saying thought crimes exist.
Impersonating a police officer is the fraudulent activity in this situation. This is a lawyers dream to take on this casino. Card counting is illegal? What a clown world we live in right now.
Gaming authority officials are actually law enforcement. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to have the red and blue lights.
@@daren32909 Law enforcement, yes. But are they police per se, and are they allowed to represent themselves as such? Genuine question, not trying to stir anything up.
@@PerMortensen According to a quick google search the CO gov website states. "All Division investigators have the powers of peace officers and are certified as such.". AKA they hold the powers of the police and so can for reasonable interactions be considered such.
I would think an attorney would be champing at the bit to sue any casino which refuses to cash out chips, because they don’t like the way a player played. The state could be sued silly over their broad definition of “fraudulent activity”.
It seems as if they have what would be considered a limited commission. There are many types of limited commissions, such as State Fish and Game are law enforcement officers but do not have the same authorities as a standard police officer. However, they can still wear and represent themselves as a police officer when conducting their duties as defined by their commission.
I love the "you're not playing the game correctly" line, i.e you're not playing blackjack drunk, stupid, and losing.
Before each round, players are allowed to bet between $[table minimum] and $[table maximum].
During each round, players are allowed to "hit", "stand", or (depending on rules) "double down", or (sometimes) "split", or (depending on rules) "surrender".
If a player is not violating one of these options (eg betting more than table max, entering mid shoe when not allowed, doubling on disallowed hands) how exactly is he *"not playing the game correctly"?*
(Perhaps the cops think that card counters "ruin the order of the cards"?)
I usually stand on 16 even when dealer is showing 8-9-10, face cards. Am I card counting?
Blackjack is a losers game. Anyone winning semi-consistantly would be suspicious. Honestly, anyone playing blackjack and NOT counting is stupid
@@persephone3892 yup stick to slots you dont need to think only how much to bet
@@temujinkhan6326 yep the gaming commission regulates those machines, makes sure that they pay out 80 cents for every dollar put in. Ill just burn my money thanks, both activities get you a few seconds of flickering colors.
I've been thinking this for a long time about casinos - they get so angry and self righteous whenever someone cheats (or doesnt even cheat and just counts cards) While they've caused millions of people to lose their home and their family to gambling addiction without a peep.
They get even angrier when they are a franchise and they can’t even ban you permanently because the main office rescinds the ban after a short time. The security of our local casino has a pool going, how long it takes until a manager physically assaults me.
your first line is wrong. (when ever someone "cheats") should read when ever anyone wins.
That is the smallest problem because the real problem is they have investors backing the casinos and if they fail to meet the quota they are in financial trouble too
Well... they don't have to gamble in the first place, so quit acting like its all the casinos fault.
Yeah. Fuck casinos- but it’s the gamblers fault for betting his entire life at the casino
I just love that LegalEagle pops up in videos whenever there is some legal dispute. He's like the neighbourhood's lawyer but for all the TH-camrs
Outside of his specific area of expertise, his legal advice actually isn't very good tbh...
he is the idiots lawtube.
i love his jimmy neutron a$$ hair
@@EricTheYoungereven then
A guy with a nickname Sheriff, a fake cop and an actual cop.
What a story ay 😂
@@stevenbridges Only if they walked into a bar afterwards
Can't make this stuff up lol
@@johndorian4078 dammit you stole my comment, lol
Is this the farmer's daughter one?
The gaming commission in Co is ex cops, most have violated excessive force behavior and lost their regular cop jobs therefore getting hired by the commission. Colorado gaming commission is the absolute worst in the world.
damn, guess i wont be going to any casinos here when i can then lmao
Colorado gaming commission is not the worst do research lol another state close by could be worse
@@gusthanasulas5550 what state is that?
@@bruce4139 like I said do research I’m not saying
@@gusthanasulas5550 why wont you say? If you cant say how can we trust your judgement?
as a recreational gambler who frequents several casinos in blackhawk, i was outraged seeing this. i just left a message with the lead investigator at the colorado gaming commission expressing my outrage and confusion over this situation. i expressed to them that i hope sheriff receives an apology and that a public statement is made to clarify the legality of the situation so that no innocent people are treated this way or threatened at any point in the future.
Nice job winning those cars back in '97!
@@wannabesteve777 💯
It's not delivery, it's Papagiorgio 🥺
Great username and well done!
How is the software business in Yuma?
Card counting is not fraud, it's called mastering the game.
As a magic the gathering player, it angers me beyond belief. There is a concept called "revealed information". If you have seen it due to in game rules, you have the ability to know it. In high level play, people cast cheap spells that reveal the opponents hands to get an advantage, and often just write down the opponent's current hand. Extremely high level tournaments are often player with fully known deck lists, where the opponent knows all the cards in your 60 card deck. Once you know a deck list, you can 100% start mathing out every card you've seen that game.
In black jack, if you see a card, it is... Illegal for you to remember it? Huh????
Card counting alone is not a crime. He should go ahead and sue the casino for false imprisonment.
He did. And the state, and the cop, and the gaming agent.
did he win?
@@CHURCHISAWESUM
@@CHURCHISAWESUM do you know what the outcome was?
@@amandasjoberg463 Appears to be waiting to be scheduled. All parties have lawyered up. Some preliminary lawyer games to dismiss the case so far but nothing major.
Where did you get those infos? Are there video updates or something else somewhere?
seriously police need to be liable to a lawsuit for mental distress when they do this and do not know the laws they enforce.
Qualified immunity gets in the way. Even when they're breaking the law, as long as a 'reasonable person' is not expected to know the law. Ignorance is not a legal defense for civilians but for police officers it is.
No such cause of action in the U.S. The closest civil action would ne intentional infliction of emotional distress. This probably doesn't qualify and, even if it did, the officer is likely immune from personal suit (you can't take his own money.) You would, instead, sue his employer.
@@Huntracony Which is absolutely insane. Police officers are expected to enforce and uphold the law but they have a lower burden of knowledge than everyone else.
@@h4724-q6j Oh yeah, you get no argument from me there.
@@h4724-q6j but if he was a gaming co officer and not an actual police officer?
That guy needs to be fired from the Gaming Commission like yesterday. Impersonates a police officer, uses that impersonation as a means to detain someone, lies about card counting being illegal (which come on surely knowing that is part of his job) and just generally offers no impartiality at all
im pretty sure impersonating a police officer is a felony
Card counting can be illegal, people need to remember that.
And he's a law enforcement officer............... it's not impersonation if he is allowed to identify as such.
@@johndorian4078 the Gaming Commission Officer is employed by the Colorado Gaming Commission, which sits under the Department of Revenue in Colarado, so it doesn't appear that the person with the badge identifying himself as "Police" actually works as a Police Officer - certainly he can identify himself as Officer X but that's not what the badge says
@@johndorian4078 Counting cards is never illegal, anywhere in the USA, unless you use some kind of device, or other people to help.
@@CED99 even though he’s a gaming agent and not a Police Officer he still may be invested with detain and arrest privileges due any Law Enforcement Officer
Still one of the most badass quotes I've ever heard: "I've been through this so many times before and it ends with me getting my money".
"No fair, you changed the outcome by measuring it" prof farnsworth. Futurama was way ahead of its time
Multiple lawsuits should be filed.
the "police" officer doing the interrogating is definitely of room temperature iq lol
And that would be in celcius
Can't be. Too hot out.
Definitely puffs on the peter. But hey it is Colorado.
I'm betting that a good attorney is going to add another 300K to this guy's pocket! That arrest is illegal.
what arrest? did you even watch the video
@@MightbePettingmyCat, nope! LOL
@@angrybee246 at least you’re honest💀💀
A guy claiming to be a cop blocked him in with an SUV with flashing red and blue lights and prevented him from leaving. That's an arrest, unless the guy was not actually a cop, in which case it's an unlawful detention.
@@batlin even if it was an actual LEO, simply blocking him in is not considered an arrest? What are you talking about? This videos comment section is filled with people who have no clue what they're talking about. I'm guessing you're young and don't know better, but don't act like you do and try calling people out when you're completely wrong yourself.
It's quite hilarious that he's saying your friend is commuting fraud, when actually the casino was by refusing to refund chips.
Private owned business tho. They can make any policy they like and as soon as ur in there u accepted their policy
@@user-hu8fn2jp5v This is incorrect. It is 100% illegal for them to refuse to cash him out, and they have no legal reason to ask for ID to cash out if the chips total out to less than $10k
@@user-hu8fn2jp5v that's not how that works
and also impersonating a police officer?!???? how is no one talking about that lol
They cant "make their own policy"..........otherwise they would never cash anyone out that's not how the law works.
If you lose you are a welcome customer, if you win you are a criminal. Nice.
Never been a huge fan of Casinos, but this puts it in a new light. The moment someone starts winning even a little they back them off.
I hope more people see these videos and stop spending so much money at these traps.
he was down about -$4,000 this session. They don't even just back off winners, they back off people who can win
If you represent yourself as law enforcement and you are in fact NOT law enforcement, that is impersonation of law enforcement and it is a very serious felony offense in this country. There was a teenager in New Mexico who put some flashing lights on his car and thought it would be funny to pull some people over and act like he was a cop. He's now a convicted felon.
Someone else already pointed out that the Division of Gaming is a law enforcement agency in Colorado, so he isn't impersonating a cop.
@@Not_Ciel yes I know, I was just replying to his speculation that it seems like it would be illegal to present yourself as a cop if you aren't. I was confirming that it definitely is. I know he isn't from the US.
That's good to know! @Ciel
@@Not_Ciel i dunno if that would still count here though. A police officer and a law enforcement officer aren't exactly the same thing. For example, the FBI is law enforcement, however they can not legally state that they are police officers, as that is not true
@@Not_Ciel Their powers of law enforcement only apply to casinos. They are not police. They have no general police powers. This guy is committing a felony.
I'd love to see a new channel where a lawyer learns to count cards and then films all these interactions with casinos. I feel like a lawyer would stand their ground and even look forward to the chance to go to court (whether criminal or civil) over these miscarriages of the law. Seems like it would be a good revenue stream too.
I doubt it, because a lawyer would know there's a time and a place to "stand your ground" and that the legal system is all about technicalities and what judge/jury is hearing your case.
Most casinos aren't going to be this stupid - and they also talk to each other. If one major casino bans you, they all will.
They can back you off for any reason whether you are an attorney or not. If you "stand your ground" you will be trespassed off the property.
@@BitwiseMobile they hve to cash out his chips, that’s usually the entire issue they try to make him leave without his winnings so that’s the whole issue.
You just hit the nail on the head.
The legal system is not designed to uphold righteousness and fairness and truth.
The legal system is designed to be confusing and complex so that they can get away with their interpretation as well as get away with truly whatever they want.
If something is so complex to the point that the average citizen doesn't understand the laws and the rules and the structure of said legalese the people stand no chance because the powers that be can do and say whatever they want and the people won't know if that's legal or not because of the complexity.
In other words life is rigged for certain prominent ruling bloodlines. The ones who work on behalf of the ruling bloodlines get paid handsomely. Those are the ones who enforce the will of the 1% on the 99%. Also known as retainers to the nobility.
"You can *ASK* for my ID. *I DO NOT* have to produce it."
Casino: "We wanted proof he is of age."
Dude: "I provided ID ready, which is why I have wristband."
Card counting is a skill, not cheating. This is why casinos can ban you, but not arrest or charge you.
I don’t think the wristband would be enough proof. It looked like a very simple wristband to reproduce.
They always seem to ride right on the line of legality. Especially in Vegas where legit most of them are in hotels where people under 21 have the ability to walk through, but not play unless they somehow get somebody else’s card like say a parent or friend of age. It’s just overall a shady business as we know all the machines and most tables are rigged.
This total female mentality... has no problem showing ID to anyone, until that person is someone who they don't click with.
Hell its not even really a "skill", it is literally just _paying attention_
@@GunnCarter91 Paying attention IS a skill, and all high achievers have it. The rest of the world just goes through life completely distracted.
There’s lawyers licking their lips at stuff like this lmao
Bro... you ok?
No videos for 5 months?
I hope all is well brother.
Thank you for the awesome content. We need you back man.
I agree
Yeah whered he go
I saw Steven get backed off at a casino in the U.S. South the week this video was published. Haven’t seen him or any videos since.
@@dziewa80 he replied to me , he said new video this month
today 😃
New meaning to the expression "thought police" literally trying to arrest someone for thinking too much and branding it as cheating. Madness
Hahaha yeah for sure
1984 in full effect.
@@stevenbridges but the casino isn't vilify of fraudulent activity when we all know the machines are rigged to only release money at certain times
I took my Autistic freind there walked out with 500 thousand
Whenever I watch something from Legal Eagle he looks like a Pixar character.
The hair, the eyes, the lighting, it's unnaturally perfect.
Thats lawyer's in America lol. He's like Howard hamlin from better call Saul 🤣
Cause he is hardly a "lawyer" and barely knows what he is talking about most of the time. There is a reason a big corporate entity like youtube is okay with pushing his content
@@JD21055 could you please give a few examples of what he gets wrong? I hear this quite a bit but I don’t have the expertise to rebut him right away.
@MERCENARYTAO1 it's okay offer a handshake and then break someone's hand if they touch your map. Captain marvel take
@@nautdead3197 what video? Seriously, I don’t recall that.
Looks like he's gonna earn a lot more than $300k with an easy lawsuit. If he doesn't sue the casino, police department, and gaming commission he's losing out on a big win.
Not as easy as you might think it is. Very difficult to beat the government in a lawsuit and these vole casinos because they're friends with the government.
@@haniotis3421 Especially since the detainment was lawful.
Only thing he might win is his money the chips are worth + legal fees in small claims court most likely. And then that will be an uphill battle.
@@johndorian4078 I agree. It's too bad and unfair to the player, but life isn't fair.
@@johndorian4078 "Especially since the detainment was lawful."
No, because the CO gaming commission doesn't have officers with the power to arrest or detain individuals. Their enforcement powers only apply to casinos.
@@johndorian4078 how? Gaming are not law enforcement they have the same powers of a health inspector in the sense of enforcing gaming regulations
its absolutely ridiculous that a lawyer has to go to college, then law school, possibly do an internship and pass a very stringent exam just to practice law(about 7-8 years of schooling). while in some states its an 8-12 week course to enforce law. mind blowing
I hear this a lot. Do you know what states have an &-12 week police academy? I think it’s a myth. Need a degree at bare minimum to be a cop in the city I live.
@@Richard-qd8tz the state of oregon where i live, is 16 weeks (400 hrs) of training
@@seanscott well that explains why the cops in your state are so incompetent and let Antifa run the show huh? Gangs don’t run my city that’s for sure.
I'm not certain about Colorado, but I know that in Missouri and Kansas the gaming commissions are actually Highway Patrol officers, since they're state unified police. So in Missouri and Kansas, they actually walk around wearing their police badges, and in Kansas, they have "police" written on the back of their uniforms. I assume it's the same for Colorado, but definitely don't quote me on that.
Someone should summon Audit the Audit to review that police interaction as well.
I said that about a cpl of Steven's other videos. I stumbled on that channel like a year ago and enjoy and learn from many of those videos. It has a big platform with a lot of views and subscribers and they always give credit to the original uploader so I think he would gain a lot of viewers. It would be beneficial to both.
I did get in contact with him once but he didn't respond to my email. I love his work
So, using your head to count is wrong?
That's fraudulent how?
What that's essentially saying that being able to count is a criminal act in colarado 🤦♂️
also, just noticed, he said that "leading the casino to believe your not playing the game correctly" is enough to get police intervention
what thats says to me is "lose all your money to us or we call the cops"
They are trying to assert that if you perform a mental act correctly (noticing and counting) it's fraudulent, but if you can't do that, or do it wrong, then it's legitimate. So your mind operating correctly is fraudulent and your mind working defectively is the correct way.
“Fraudulent activities? What would that be like? Something like presenting yourself like a police officer when you aren’t one?”
Starts winning
Casino: 'you're not playing game properly!'
Starts losing
Casino: 'You're really good at this game'
I was hoping he'd go into the legality of the gaming commission guy blocking his exit with a car equipped with red-and-blues and being effectively disguised as a real police officer. Unless the SUV we see at 2:06 belonged to the real police officer who arrived afterward, that seems approximately 'holy shit illegal' to be using, especially if you're also wearing a police disguise and detaining someone.
Then one of the officers reminded me that they're in a city called Black Hawk, so I wouldn't be shocked if there's some kind of screwy tribal law thing at play...but considering that it's still a legal matter, I would have hoped a lawyer would help illuminate things.
I don't think Legal Eagle realized the Gaming guy was not a cop
Google says The Colorado Division Of Gaming is a law enforcement agency, so it's legal. The US has way too many different law enforcement agencies.
He's not impersonating a cop though. He's dumb for sure, but not that dumb. The SUV blocking the only exit does seem kinda sketch for this situation though, cop or not.
I'd also wonder if police impersonation actually implies since it's private property and the cop-not-a-cop likely has permission from the property owner to conduct their activity. Regardless, the other comment about the Division of Gaming Cops being law enforcement is spot on so it doesn't matter. He's actually a cop.
Black Hawk is just the name of the city - no tribal affiliation. Former mining town turned casino town.
Fun facts:
In NJ, each casino has Division of Gaming Enforcement office in the casino. You don't have to call DGE if there's a problem- you just walk to the office. Several years ago, when the state government shut down for several weeks for lack of a budget, the casinos had to shut down too. That's because state law prohibits a casino from operating without a DGE employee on site, and since DGE is a government agency, none of the employees could work during the shutdown. DGE employees have since been classified as "essential workers", meaning that they can keep working if there's ever another shutdown.
In 1982 the New Jersey Supreme Court ruled in Uston v. Resorts International Hotels, Inc that NJ casinos can't ban you from playing blackjack just because you're playing too well. Instead of kicking you out, they'll just use tactics like shuffling after every hand, until you just leave on your own.
Or just make you flat bet
That’s crazy I hope he sues the casino and wins
This is why I refuse to step foot into a casino. They think they can do whatever they want.
The fact that it takes longer to be a barber than it does to be a cop shows
The lawyer is wrong in the aspect that police may have had the reasonable suspicion to detain. The key here is that the gaming officer talked too much. He specifically says counting cards is illegal. There is a reason why you should never talk to police and there is a reason why police are almost always very vague when talking to a suspect. If the gaming officer just said we are investigating you because we suspect that you could be doing something fraudulent. Then that could be a number of different things. But he cornered himself when he specifically stated that it was for counting cards. Now he is detaining someone for something that isn't illegal. That is now an illegal detainment
He is also wrong in saying that police need probable cause to detain (and ID) you when they need only reasonable articulable suspicion. They need probable cause to arrest you. Very strange that the featured lawyer doesn't know that or glosses over it
Its because legal eagle is hardly a "lawyer" who has basically no real experience, and hardly understands a lot about the law. He is just a good face that youtube likes to push to the front because he bends the knee to their type of "advertiser friendly" content. If you have actual legal questions, definitely dont go to legal eagle
I don't know if it is an illegal detainment or not in this case however the lawyer is right, they are allowed to detain you even if you had done nothing wrong though the officer will have to have reasonable suspicion. Example if someone calls in a crime and states your exact description they will have reasonable suspicion to detain. This does not mean arrest.
@GollumGollum1000 That's what he stated? He said they may have had reasonable suspicion to detain him? Lol
8:40 It's a question of probable cause and not have I done something wrong, seems people don't understand wording lmao
@@SabentHD They don't have the reasonable suspicion to detain and we know this because the officer talked too much. The officer specifically says "counting cards". Well counting cards is legal and the officer knows that's what is going on. If he doesn't say that then like I said, the officer could claim that they suspect that he was doing something fraudulent. But even then if Steven were to sue over this false detention, the officer would have to state during the deposition, what crime he thought Steven could have broken.
Also your example of an exact description does not always give reasonable suspicion. There would still have to be an investigation by the officer depending on the level of dangerousness of the crime. For example, a man calls 911 saying that the suspect (gives description) is trespassing on his property. The police get there and the suspect isn't on the property. The officer cannot detain the man, without gathering evidence that would indicate that the suspect could have broken the law. Now another example, if a man calls 911 and says the suspect (gives description) just shot him. The police are allowed to detain immediately when they see the suspect because of the dangerousness of the situation.
There are a number of jurisdictions where the gaming commission is an arm of law enforcement. For that reason, it is entirely possible that he was truly an officer of the law. In fact, in such jurisdictions, everyone on the gaming commission is a police officer.
Because the gambling industry is a crime syndicate of it's own level, to not describe it as so is just stupid.
@@dra6o0n clearly it doesn't help as seen in the video
So you’re saying if atf or fish and wildlife come around, they can legally wear “police” on their person? I think it’s a felony without specific language stating they can rebrand their agency as “police”. Impersonating legal agency is an extreme crime, and the law says so in every case. If police come upon impersonators I. Almost every scenario, it is likely they have weapons out. This is almost a slam dunk victory, unless there is a legal basis for his attire.
@@iamjohnrobot in Colorado the gaming commission is legit, Colorado POST certified police officers. they are police. The first guy was a nerd, but he is legit a police officer and is properly ID himself as such.
The casino literally shows you the cards but if you pay attention to them it's illegal, lol.
What a Gem!
The last video of your I watched was from 4 years ago as you did some cool tricks with your girlfriend for 10 minutes.
Imagine my surprise coming back 4 years later to see your card counting skills and related Backoffs!
Excellent!
Card counter: counts cards
Casino: Wait that’s illegal
I just enjoy how much time and thought was put into the series I’ve watched all the episodes out twice through now and it’s amazingly planned. The purposeful way you delay the release of them as to not mess up your team. The intricacies of card counting and plans. The amount of training and hours you put in before play. This is a very underrated vlog series that even if it doesn’t fully take off now it will
Why blur out the cops face?Let the public see the utter buffoons our hard earned tax money goes to.He’s a public worker so his face and name can be shown.
Legal reasons as he doesnt consent to be on video
@@bruce4139 you don't need the consent of police (or ANY public servant) to film them.
@@bradentraub I thought you still had to blur their face and voice. But you can film them without a problem at least that's how I believe it is in canada
@@bruce4139 You don't have to blur faces or voices in Canada either.
Fuck vigilante justice
I think it’s very telling that the Gambling Commission officer immediately sends Sheriff on his way when the Casino confirms they’d refused to cash in his chips…
At that moment i'd be telling the gaming officer and police officer "I would like to press charges" and I will be contacting my lawyer.
I really wish you'd make more videos, they are always so entertaining and spectacular.
I watched all the videos as they came out and just now was thinking “damn TH-cam ain’t showing me any of his videos” it’s been 4 months and nobody is talking about it, can’t find any recent posts on any social media from him like has a mob boss killed him or is he just taking a hiatus?
@@Jacopski i found a comment he hearted a month ago
How is there still so many people saying that counting cards is illegal? It’s not. In any state or under any law. There’s no laws specifically to do with counting cards. You can’t make something illegal that can’t be done naturally by practise etc. crazy
The card counting was clever, the TH-cam play was genius. Love it man. 🤘🏽
I always find it ironic that casinos get this way for a person being good at a game that they offer. Blows my mind. They use narcissistic tactics when trying to explain why a card counter is wrong. It's infuriating
Oh hell yeah, love these videos, Steven!
I know nothing about card counting but to me it just sounds like a high level skill. Never understood why it is considered a crime nor how it can be enforced. It sounds like we are just criminalizing genius
You really can't prove someone is counting cards unless you read their mind. The most you can prove is that their betting patterns are consistent with card counting. And all a card counter is doing is keeping track of high and low cards as they are dealt out. A card counter is using information that is freely available to every player at the table to determine bet size and sometimes alter strategy (whither to hit stand, double or split).
* highly skilled player consistently wins money at the casino
Casino: "wait.....that's illegal"
I spent most of 20’s playing blackjack as my full time job. This stuff brings back some funny memories. I always loved when casinos would demand to see an ID.
why would they never answer with "no"?
@@laz0rbra1n anytime I was asked for mine I told them no. I was at a tribal casino in Michigan and played one night and everything was fine. Well the next morning when we went back the moment we walked in security came up to both my buddy and I and they said we had to leave so I went to the cage to cash out from the night before and security kept hounding me for my ID I kept telling him no. So they followed us out and then watched us get in our car so we drove by them and waved goodbye. Lol
@@blackjack19811 that’s hilarious. why did you quit playing fulltime?
@@Invictis248 It was really funny. The final year that I played my buddy and I hit a pretty rough stretch that we were both losing and I was SUPER burnt out on the constant traveling. I was in my late 20’s and was ready to settle down.
@@blackjack19811 Do you remember which one? Was it any of the soaring eagles, fire keepers, four winds, or gun lake casino? I’m turning 21 in less than a week and I’ve spent way too much time practicing for this but I dont wanna be harassed lol
That sounded like a fully corrupt situation; including the REAL police officer. I hope he got his money back. Definitely scary.
Isn't impersonating a police officer literally an actual crime? The guy with the police tag should literally be going to jail and the actual police officer should be sued. why tf are casinos allowed to do this?
Not positive about the state of Colorado, but 97% sure the gaming commission is certified peace officers and can wear the label police/detain people for offenses involving gaming just like the police can.
Because Police officers aren't the only people able to wear that tag. There's such things as Company Police, Peace Officers, etc. It's not like the dude wearing that was a random guy from the Casino dressed up as a cop.
@@Not_Ciel wait...the us seriously privatized the authority of the police? thats so fucked up O_o
@@SharienGaming not exactly. There are such things as Company Police and Peace officers that are technically classified as law enforcement agencies, so they can technically wear Police on their uniform. I wouldn’t say they’re the same thing. From what I gather, it’s more akin to a security guard with law enforcement training.
Though, I’m definitely no expert on the issue, just aware that those exceptions do exist. They are by no means the norm haha.
@@Not_Ciel if they are allowed to present themselves as police, they have the implied authority of police...
normally police represents the state monopoly on violence and the accountability and oversight that comes with that (mind you... i know how laughable that is in the us... but thats another issue)
and of course normally i would expect that if they are wearing a police uniform - they are required to help in a wide range of situations... that not something i expect of security guards... i think the point im ambling towards is that they get the to pose as police with none or barely any of the responsibilities associated with it
and of course if they misbehave and you complain with the police...they dont know who the guy is, because he doesnt work there...
What happened to the series? I wish u uploaded more
There is currently a lawsuit pending against Ameristar Casino, Colorado Gaming Division and Blackhawk Police dept. for either this incident or one almost identical (per a news account I read). I am a resident of Gilpin County and am sort of hoping I will serve on the jury for this, though I think it is very likely that it will be settled, as I'm pretty sure the attorneys for the defendants will advise them that they don't have a leg to stand on.
That officer should be fired and banned from ever working in law enforcement ever again
i love these videos so much keep up the great work!
Please we need more videos! I keep coming back to check for an update. Love your channel and content. We need more 👍🏼🔥
much as sam from wendover/HAI, or tom scott, bang on about nebula or curiosity stream on their videos this is the single most baited hook I've had yet. you've thrown so much of your work here that it's almost impossible to not follow through on a sub to, at the very least, find out wtf yer man endured as well as just get all the other cool stuff on that platform to support our favourite content creators and what they offer. i'm in.
The cop learned the law from watching too many movies.
This casino is one of my worst experiences I have ever dealt with from counting cards. I had a similar experience to Sheriff but was a bit fortunate that there was no police officer or gaming commission agent stopping me on my way out of casino. Then I can cash it out later without any problem.
In regard to your comment about the police knowing the law: One of the biggest mistakes you can make when interacting with the police in the US is assuming competence. US cops are among the most poorly trained in any first world country. Do not assume that they know what they are doing, know the law or are there to protect you. Especially when you're not the one who called them.
A police officer, a gaming commission guy pretending to be a cop, and a card counter named Sheriff. 😐
Alright- we have the lock picking lawyer. This video shows we need a card counting lawyer. The content would be unimaginably epic.
That guard sounds like he didn't finish high school
Have binged all your videos since I listened to you in Jaack’s happy hour podcast. This makes me so angry knowing that people get away with this with virtually no repercussions. I’m glad you expose them and I hope if they come across the video themselves they feel shame and embarrassment for their behaviour. Aside from this, these videos are super interesting so thanks for that, too!
i honestly thought the lawyer was an animated character from Disney😅😅
What I don't get is how the real police didn't go "are you f****** kidding me?" seconds after hearing the fake cop say "You were stopped for card counting" and that the casino refused the cash out the chips.
The fake cop literally admits that they were detaining this person for doing nothing illegal and that they themselves performed illegal activity.
The cop should have ordered them to immediately let him go, cash out his chips, and offer to write a report that would provide evidence of false imprisonment for our card counter friend to sue in civil court later with.
The real police should be mad these idiots are wasting their time. This is the problem with Police having the mindset of " why is this guy guilty?" and not " What happened here?", then reacting accordingly.
The best part of this video is that the only person committing a crime is the gaming security guard who is impersonating a police officer, which is literally against the law.
This reminds me in my legal studdies class, im in australia but my teacher was talking about crimes etc and then she said counting cards was illgeal and i was like… uhhh miss… Counting cards isnt illgeal? How is being smart and being able to calculate statistics illgeal?
Not a legal expert by any stretch, but that so-called "police officer" may have committed a felony. Look up CRS 18-8-112 - Impersonating a peace officer could lead to up to 18 months in jail or a fine up to 100k
Whoever falsely assumes or pretends to be an officer or employee acting under the authority of the United States or any department, agency or officer thereof, and acts as such, or in such pretended character demands or obtains any money, paper, document, or thing of value, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
Does this hold up for people from the Gaming Commission in tribal casinos?
@@stevenbridges I would think that it applies to anyone within the borders of the United States, false representation is pretty serious. The individual is making accusations of fraud and yet is falsely representing himself as police officer...
But gaming officials are law enforcement. Hence the red and blue light.
You appear to be quoting 18 USC 912. This refers to pretending to be an officer or employee acting under the authority of the US, ie a federal officer or department, agency, etc. official. The gaming commission officer is not pretending to be a federal official. He is wearing something that says he is police. You’d need to look to whether Colorado extends any police powers to the gaming officers. Look at CO Rev Stat 12-47.1-204. This may not be the current Colorado statute. And I didn’t consider whether any tribal issues are at play. The overall point is that there are nuances that non-lawyers often overlook. You can’t just look at a federal statute and think it applies universally.
@@daren32909 Then why does he need to call the real police as mentioned in the video?
*"Sorry sir, being too good at poker is a class 3 felony. You didn't know?"*
Me watching this 4:23 and thinking "What on earth do they mean by that's illegal?" XD
Legal Eagle didn't address the Gaming guy claiming to be police. That should be a felony.
The gaming agent is a police officer.
seriously guys you hit alot of money. any lawyer will take this case. you cannot get detained by security, the casino, or cops for advantage play. this is a huuuuge lawsuit omg I wish this was me. congrats guys the city will prolly pay you 100k
How exactly do you figure that the city is liable? Casino? Yup. Gaming commission guy? Maybe. City officer just stood there. Didn't demand id or detain. Maybe lied a little but lying, especially by a cop, is not illegal or even immoral by todays standards.
what's happened in the end? does he sue? does he press charges? or does the casino apologise and offer him anything? There is never a conclusion to these things!
He brought all his card counting friends and they proceeded to dominate the entire casino. They won so much money the casino had to shut down and the CEO now works at McDonald's
When you said ‘just look at my face’, I deeply enjoyed the WIDTH
Sounds like best practice to have a local lawyer handy.
I was expecting to see a Saul Goodman type lawyer
Better call Saul
I rather call Saul than this dude
@@odeode4338 yah legal eagle is kinda lame and a leftie
@@dogguy8603 cringe
The cops don't need probable cause to detain somebody, they need reasonable suspicion. I don't think they had reasonable suspicion that a crime occurred, but just saying, what the lawyer said was technically wrong.
They go hand in hand. They need RAS but to get RAS of a crime they need PC (probable cause)
Saying Im detaining you for a crime but having no probable cause for that crime i.e witnessing it or having evidence of this crime means the detainment is illegal.
@@Spensero they need RAS for a detainment, they need probable cause for a search or an arrest. You don't need probable cause to have RAS, RAS is a lower standard than probable cause.
@@Spensero they need reasonable suspicion of a crime for detainment but probable cause for arrest or to perform a search.
@Andrew you said what I said but less confusing and in less words. Lol
@@Spensero No, I'm saying that probable cause isn't needed for a detainment. Unless I'm misunderstanding you, you were saying that probable cause is needed.
so many things that irked me about the video of the altercation. Misrepresenting himself as police (in front of actual police!!), lying from the managers, misrepresenting the law. I've never gambled in CO but I definitely don't plan to now!
in Colorado gaming commission are members of law enforcement
Arrested for counting numbers in your head!?!? Wow, I'd love to see that one go to court!
Big legal bill, most likely paid out by the casino since they'd lose the case. No consequences other then that.
More interesting would be to sue the guy for impersonating a cop ;)
It's also amazing how casinos are somehow more corrupt now that the mob isnt involved anymore
I would also note that the "numbers" (illegal lottery) games run by the mob typically skimmed about 10% of the action, whereas state run lotteries take 50%.
Great video
bro you haven't even seen the whole vid 💀
He watches at 5X speed 😎
@@stevenbridges Thanks for you for your reply.
Casinos, especially in newer jurisdictions, have been abusing card counters. My friend was unlawfully detained and forced to produce ID in NH.
Lawsuits need to start happening in the states with newer gaming laws.
Lawsuits will backfire and just require ID's to be given when ever you're cashing out................Even the argument of "i'm wearing an arm band" is a weak one. Give me some adhesive remover from walmart and a tube of super glue i'll give my 10 yr old a wrist ban to "prove he's of age"
@@johndorian4078 But as far as i know ID cards at the moment are not required to cash out. Also they could have also back track the video of him entering the casino if they really wanted too. detaining him for suspicion of card counting is illegal but then again casinos owns the courts
@@temujinkhan6326 And that needs to be changed, which is why filing lawsuits for casino misdeeds need to start happening.
This makes me so angry. There are so many decent, legal ways casinos can deal with counters. The deck is weighted so heavily in there favour. Seein police abuse hteir powers (obviously at the behest of casinos) is so shitty. Counters are playing by the rules. If casinos won't play by the rules, then fuck couinting, I wouldn't be upset if legit cheaters got away with money from them. Allowing counters was always the compromise, the fair middle ground. if casinos can't play nice because they'll make slightly less hundreds of thousands they shouldn't be allowed at all.
That gaming officer was definitely on the books
Reminds me of the old saying... "Pigs get fed, Hogs get slaughtered".
I'm a ex Cop I would have had a field day with that Gaming Commission Representative.
You have a great lawsuit there.
Las Vegas is basically like Disney's Celebration, Florida. It's owned by the casinos, like the banks own lower Manhattan and studios own Hollywood.
OK and? As this was based on a casino in colarado
Hey! It’s LegalEagle! Love that guy.
Someone in jail asking what you're in for. Um.. Math? Using my brain unfairly in a game of odds?
Hi Steven, I have an interestiing idea. In the EU, under the regulations of the GDPR, a data subject (person) can access and file a request for deletion for all the data stored by a company/institution about oneself. Therefore, if you went to European casinos, you could theoretically show them your ID and then request a deletion of your data at the casino/the casino's affiliates (online databases). This way, they'd have to delete any information about you being a card counter in their database. Furthermore, in the EU companies are not allowed to share your information to third parties without consent. I think there is a lot of potential in circumventing databases by utilizing data regulations and would love to see a video using this technique (if you can call it that). Greetings!
Sheriff’s run in with the police! Whoa! 😂😂