George I like your analysis on this matter. Enenche simply does not want to accept what Abel said. Abel on the other hand is given us more proves to show how very close or how depth he knows enenche, wife and church. Abel damina must have given his advice then enenche went to God for confirmation. There's no need calling each other names. In Igbo we do apprenticeship with our Oga, that doesn't mean that the boys can't outgrow their masters, but they still respect their masters. I rest my case.
The crux of the problem is the apprentice denying and insulting the master. Remember the infamous “ a Rat does not give birth to an Elephant “ And still pilling up
I understand your point but, if by accident you met with a person and you get to realize that your relationship with that person has no bearings based on your personality, you take your leave. After all, he never said they didn't meet. He can't be coming out to start giving God's credit to man.
@@PrettyChika_Egelethat’s why you can never learn cuz you act with emotions with your proud pastor. I wonder how many of those gullible people ever study the Bible .
Imagine as a student in 200L, a friend in 300L gave you his handout to read for your exam. Then you read and passed in flying colours. Later in life, he started saying if not for him, you would have failed the exam or not graduate from the university. Is this entirely truly? Thats what Damina is trying to do. Saying that he gave direction to Eneche is what is paining Eneche. For a man who has been serving God for years even from Campus. The glory is to God, Damina is just trying to take advantage of past association. Imagine a father who could not pay his son school fees, later in years came out to say if not for him, the child wont be a graduate. It is easier to believe the father, but the son feels pain after doing odd jobs to sponsor himself, the father wants to take the glory
A child can be bigger/richer than their parents and they won't stop being the parents. An illiterate parent can raise a very learned child... You can indeed take direction (sometimes) from people that appear lost.
Who parented who?? Teaching someone somethings in their life process, ordaining someone to start a church, Telling someone a Word from God that confirms what God had told them doesn't make you their spiritual parent
TRUTH IS..HEAVEN is cleaning the NIGERIAN CHURCH..separating the sheep from the wolf. It would reflect in the Nigerian politics too..but I "SEE" persecution coming to genuine consecrated ministers but POWER and WEALTH will flow...
Pride goes before a fall. It's disgusting when the so called men of faith rant on social media over crowd pulling rather than preach the gospel of repentance and salvation to a congregation that is longing for Chrrist. It's a pity indeed. My heart bleeds for this generation of so called men of God. So sad.
BRG YOUR ANALYSIS IS VERY MUCH CORRECT. EVEN THOUGH NOBODY IS IN ABEL DAMINA'S CHURCH THE WORLD IS LISTENING TO HIM FROM ALL CHURCHES AND ALL PASTORS ARE LISTENING TO HIM. TIME WILL TELL
@@Cephas-TheRock Well, someone that has epignosis can not change their teaching. You can not be teaching the whole counsel of God (Salvation, spiritual growth, ministry) and change much later? Change to where? Change to something that is not in the Bible? I guess you guys do not really understand what we are dealing with here. We are dealing with the scripture that has a closure. Not i saw, i saw. It was I saw, I saw that brought about all the errors of Pentecostalism. from Apostle Ayo Babalola using Spiritual item-water) to Arc Bishop Benson Idahosa materialistic gospel. Now we are in a age, where all of these are being looked into from the lens of the Bible, and you think the man will change? Mind you, the man has been preaching this for like 10years plus, even in the most difficult times, he didn't change, you think he will now? He has open you up to read your Bible yourself, and he will now come tomorrow and say something else from what he has said to be truth, and people will not draw him back?.. Just calm down bro !!
But Abel Damina has been in ministry even before Dr Paul so how come his church is still empty is it that people aren’t getting blessed from his preaching..? just curious
@@Theikeskids Well, e no hard, check his videos here, you can fast forward to the end when they show Dr Damina's congregation and you see things yourself if his church was empty or not.
No matter what you have become don't disdain those who played role in your life no matter how small it is. That Abel Damina was one of the trustees when Dunamis started is revealing.... How success leds to pride is what I am watching in this "movie"
I am scarred for who is lying. Somebody go wound ooh. God is not respecta of man. Let us continue to intercede. My brother well done. It is always a delight to listen to your wisdom.
It's quite painful that so many pastors tell lies and half truths on the pulpit, especially when they are boasting of their personal exploits. These are the things that are weakening the body of Christ and Christianity.
@@decapol The point isn't about who ordained or who didn't ordain who. I love Dr. Paul and I think Damon's teachings are misleading also. However for the sake of the people who hold Dr. Paul to a certain standard, giving that man (Damina) his flowers when he was helpful is the right thing to do. Dr. Paul can now go on to say, at some point we went our separate ways because our teachings and doctrinal believes changed - it's just simple.
I’m sorry it’s the spirit of Mormon and the sister, pride. We haven’t been doing the Lord’s work, have we? We’ve built big houses, developed a system of extracting money from members under various guises for vanity projects. That’s why a Pastor thinks, along with Nigerian politicians that big buildings and many members, more loyal to him than Christ, are the achievements dat make him better than another person. As if all the words of Jesus across scripture isn’t for them. Why no one in that entire congregation didn’t call him out with scriptures is d saddest thing though. Twisting scriptures to suit their pride is cardinal sin against the word of God.
I believe Enenche is the one telling Lies. What's wrong with Damina being involved in Enenche ministry. If Damina strayed it's not Enenche fault and so Enenche should not deny having a Relationship with him just because He feels Damina has strayed from Faith Regardless of what's happening with Damina now FACT Remains that if he once had a relationship with Damina its fact and denying will not help him . Instead it is exposing them as Liers
It's embarrassing for the body of men. The body is Christ is in tact, nothing can shake it. The body of Christ is standing and fairing well but only that of men is shaking.
Thou shall not judge. Ok. If I judge a man, I will also be judge. But let me say this. Any man of God who have responded to Abel Damina with derogatory words, calling him names, or saying that one who has a lesser number of congregation, n financial status can not father one who has proven himself in ministry, then they are wrong by all biblical standard. Now I can say this boldly, ask any genuine christian in active service, he will confirm this. (1)Now: if a young brother bust into the scene with good educational background, sound eloquence n charisma, he will be promoted instantly ahead of those who have been serving there before him. (2) If a pastor is remitting bountiful amount of offering to the head quarter n a robust church attendance, he will be sent to a bigger city while the pastor that does not remit good offering to the head quarter, or a small number of attendance, he will remain in a small church for a very long time. May God help the church of Christ.....Amen.
At the end of all these drama, Paul Enenche will apologize to Damina. If he doesn't, na him sabi. The evidences are too much to refute and are so convincing. The more enenche or his goons deny, the more the truth stares at us all.
@@decapol bitterness ke. Show the evidence of bitterness because there's nothing like that from his comments. What is obvious is gang up against Damina because he's no longer in cahoots with them, simple!
@@decapolare u saying the way eneche rewrite his history by deleting him despite such great contribution is not evil ....dont worry someone will do that to you
Exactly!!! Dr Paul kindly open up your eyes and ask for wisdom from God so that this drama between you and Damina comes to an end. We don't want to be listening to these stories. With love from🇿🇲
God is raally at work to expose all these mighty god of men in Nigeria and beyond. We are seeing their fruits and by their fruits we shall know them. God have mercy and deliver your people.
Ask my good preacher Dr. Damina to keep off all these. I have been listening to Dr. Damina for last 12 years, in Kenya. I think he is going off mark. Let him keep off, teach the word. Dr. Preach the word.
You're mad. You're silent on those calling him rat and thief and a liar. Abel Damina is a lead leader with a huge following. He has to prove he's not a liar
@@israelsamuel7764 to what extent, all these is happening because he has missed it. Just focus because all these are unnecessary filling his messages with emotions and half truths which is very dangerous to his calling and the sheep under his feet. If you treat your children with love, they will not openly disown you. May God help both of them and and body of Christ.
There is nothing wrong in using a story to teach people. Damina used a story to teach, just as we use Bible stories to teach. I don't think that's wrong.
@@aristotle9245 You are okay with the back and forth right? You are okay with stories that do not save anyone or bring people to Christ. I see that is cognition and wisdom Mr Aristotle.
It was an illustrations on leading of the Spirit. Like have you really followed the story or you're blinded by blind support for your lying papa, Enenche? 🤣
The truth to all of this is that some actions on both parties have said this ga that shouldn't be said in a bid to defend some words. I don't think we realize what it meant to not always prove a point. May God help us
Pride and self is the hallmark of Enenches presentation..he does away with the people that God sends to him on his way up..watch out so that ruin will not be your portion.
Those who love God n know how He moves will know that even if Abel Damina is not perfect in the way he perches, and sometimes he preaches heresy, we can still see God moving in the midst of all these faults Abel Damina has brought out. To be very fair, many ministers have been saying all these Abel Damina is saying now, but in a low key. Abel Damina is like an extended voice of so many ministers, church workers n members alike. There are many people today you see smoking n drinking today, if they tell you their foundation you will be surprised. But because they served so closed to a pastor and witness first hand of some character n behavior, they quite n went the opposite direction. So this is an eye opener. Let him that has ear, hear what the spirit is saying.
Even where this could be true ,"ori bibe ko loogun ori fifo"that is To cut off an end which aches is not supposedly the final solution. So let's the church continue ask for mercy of God ,the harvest is ripe but labourers are very few as some expected fervent labourers are busy either as onlookers/spectators,referees, judges,fans and warriors on social media instead of being on field.
I'm just ashamed of Pastor Paul's veiw about church growth. Pastor Paul, YOU ARE EVIDENTLY PART OF THE PROOF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR. WHILE WE MAY NOT AGREE WITH DR ABEL DOCTRINALLY, THE TRUTH REMAINS THE TRUTH.
Who told you? Did God tell you? Do you know the Pastor? Please let us jettison all these speculations or assumptions.The devil thrives on assumptions.God isn't in ministers fighting against one another on the pulpit and naming names.The mission is to go to the World preach the gospel and make disciples.
Thats how Enenche disgraced thst Lawyer who gavs testimony publicly but when it was found out that he was wrong he felt TOO proud to apologise public. He gavs her public disgrace and apologised Privately
Exactly!!! He embarrassed her in public but they only released pictures of the laughing together on social media where the woman was claiming that "they have settled the issue". Pride is the main issue with most so-called men of God.
A critic will always criticize anything and everything... They called John a mad man coz of his dress code and isolated life, Jesus on the other hand a drunkard and glutton, so pple! Story telling...?
Paul Eneche is ‘full’ with pride. Calling the building dilapidated, hahahaha! Is it about building or preaching Christ? He has shot himself on his foot. I believe God has been dealing with him about his pride but he refused, it has now come to this. Watch how long he has left? The spirit in him now is that of pride. Wait a shame!
Enenche also bursted about taking off his shoes, fasting without food but only water, I do 7 days raw dry fasting, water will not touch my body at all, also about praying for 4hrs, I pray 8 to 10 hours straight, I pray without asking for cucumber and cake, speak in tongues for 7 days, all these are called born again zeal, we all did these things... Enenche is proud, pride is in him, so he is preaching self and forget to preach the raw gospel to people who are dying
Leave all this stories, Let Jesus be your focus. I could hear Bishop Oyedapo in him. It's always about how their church has grown and is successful. Pride. May God help the church. Amen
GEORGE - I think both Paul and Damina may be correct thus: (1) Ministry Direction: Maybe after Paul met Damina and Damina told him to go to Abuja Paul then went into prayer and God confirmed the direction to him and his wife. Maybe also, God had already told Paul where to go and then when he went to Damina God confirmed it again through Damina to seal the assurance. (2) Marriage: Maybe after God had revealed to Paul whom to marry, the wife's family kicked against it (a little) and Damina and others stepped into the matter and convinced the wife's family to approve the marriage plan. FOR ME, THIS IS MY UNBIASED ANALYSIS. It seems to me that Paul doesn't want to recognise that God used Damina in some ways to help him.
@@samuelmarioghaenow he is saying he left Damina because of his evil practices which include what and what? I think that was his smart way of ending the matter in the mind of his congregants that may have been asking some questions about the whole drama.
To show proof that Abel Damina was big & influential back then, even Paul Adefarasin sef invited Abel Damina to his church, House on the Rock in 2016, & when I went through the comments of that sermon on TH-cam, they all confirmed he preached good in the comment section, & to be honest, he actually did preached good like expected of him then... If not for Abel Damina's excesses nowadays, I think a lot of pastors would still be associating with him right now...
You are really contributing to true and God will bless the work you're doing. A renowned professor, engineer, doctor, etc who denies his primary school teacher or his father because they are not as 'famous' and reach as themselves must remember that God hates the proud and ingrates.
So, what does the gigantic building he and the congregants he apparently leads contributed in elevation of sincerity, behaviour, discipline, economic ability, nationalism/love of Nigerians for Nigeria, and most importantly the behaviours expected of those who wants to go to heaven and be with our Lord?
they are worshiping in a dilapidated building, Enenche's Reply which himself also recognize and called bosting is so so discouraging. I am pained this is coming from him.
@@samuelmarioghae Pls the link to that full video here. Meanwhile my amazement is not in the assumption that he is denying Abel, but in his calling his church dilapidated, even you are not surprise? if not, what happened to you?
@@samuelmarioghaeno matter what he may have said in the full message, calling another pastor's church a dilapidated building is out of it. Unless you are not a true Christian. Call spade a spade! When your father is wrong admit it, unless you have made him a god that cannot make mistakes.
When Pastor Eneche can not boldly say his sorry to her church member, that he disgraced in the church auditorium, that is when i knew the type of person he is
Absolutly true and same for me, you can only know the true nature of a person when they act promptly. I hope he read this comment one day and work on his attitude. Thre is no place for pride, boasting and demeaning another person.
@@PrettyChika_EgeleThe problem here is that he LIED, so he is a liar and therefore he and people like yourself who are not happy that he got busted but preferred to cover his lies for him are more of an UNBELEIVER than those who want to see the truth. And this is not the first time he is telling a glaring lie. I remember when Osinachi died, he denied knowing that her husband beats her. A situation that later got him embarrassed as he could not come up with a statement that made sense at the time. This is sad for a person that calls himself a man of God.
He never submitted, he was an associate pastor. Pastor Paul never lived in uyo, never schooled there. They were associates. Who said you can't break up with an associate?
@@raphaelobinna476that's not true. You don't need to live where a man of God lives or operated from, for him to be your spiritual father. Late Bishop Idahosa had spiritual children all over Africa when he was still around. Over 99.5 percent of them where not living in Benin city, Edo state, Nigeria, where he lived, or had their ministry there. So these are not the criteria for having someone as your spiritual father/mentor. Or summiting to someone. As long as you can reach that person whenever you want to.
@@raphaelobinna476 Here yourself, if there is an Associate Pastor or Producer, it didn't occur to you that there will be a Principal Pastor or Producer who Associate takes decision from and also learn from? May God Clean our Churches particularly in Nigeria. Christians, abeg make una they study una bible Holy Spirit will surely teach una.
Enenche is a great teacher but a very proud man. This thing shouldn't have festered to this point. Paul would have just acknowledged Damina immediately and ended the unnecessary saga. Damina from all intents and purposes was a very big influence in not just Enenche's spiritual journey but his personal life and choices
@@williamsprincejude7960but he does. Breaks down things to the last. He has a crooked voice from years of shouting that makes it uneasy to listen to sometimes.
One painful thing is that this Enenche Pastor has never once admitted that he had a good relationship with Abel Damina at one time. What a man of God!!😢
@Ayaps2023 i disagree with you, i might not know what transpired btw them but it's not up to us to judge. Also thy Lord has used him to break protocol in my life without even meeting him or attending the church physically. Thank you ❤
It is not pride at all..... When someone is trying to throw mud on you ,gotta speak up. We have no right to judge him. Damina should face his own ministry
For your information,Mr Pride was inside Paul Enenche manifesting gradually. Night vigils only his family sings majorly, He makes sure his songs are sang always. Infact, Enenche has become sooo carnal that after or before service he takes different pictures. So if celebrities are crazy about what they,you too Enenche does the same thing like a child. What's the difference between you and celebrities? Who is the light,the world should follow? I rest my case.
@@ephratahmoi7240 Once an organization leaves its primary purpose the end is near. Our Lord Jesus Christ said if the salt loses it's taste it is no longer useful
Do you know what I think; DAD has consistently said he has no problem with Enenche, but surrogates and SM have not allowed this matter rest, and DAD is responding to the SM people. Someone once said, Enenche came to pick DAD for a meeting. I think behind the scenes, there is a cordial and respectful understanding of what caused the separation. DAD is using this to prove how great he is as he influenced one of the biggest. The fact that DAD is granting interview to TV stations and podcasts, we know who is looking for publicity. But then again, DAD is responding to SM people not Enenche
So Pastor Enenche has always been hearing from God from the cradle,no mentor? Pride is on the rise somewhere here.We grow no doubt but own up and apologize if need be and move on.. well done BRG.
I know about innocent Raphael I saw him in the 90s when he visited my dad, he has a foot print in gospel program of his age, actually gospel efficiency is not quantified by the size of ur pocket neither the crowd of mixed multitude around u, but gospel power which is evident in the freedom of the man from sin
Today I have the followings: WASC,OND,ND, BSc, BMLS, MBChB, PGDE, PGDPA,MPA,MSc, AEHRECON, FIMLT, CERT in ART(Mumbai) and PhD(inview) but there is no way i could call any of my primary school teachers a rat because I have adequately surpassed them academically. I still bow in reverence each time I come across any of the teachers who taught me during my formative years. Pride is the hallmark and easiest way to recognize a poorly trained individual from the home.
Enenche is too proud even when Osinachi died, a lead chorister in his church he didn't even identify with her. He was just too proud to attend her burial or help her children. Abel Damina is a big liar here, period!
Damina and Enenche had a relationship but separated when Damina started preaching about tithe as the saying goes birds of the same feathers flock together ( Oyedepo and Enenche)
@Kesiena-y4z wake up from the pastors who give you what your itching ears desires. Shouting and jumping doesn't mean fire in the Lord, if you understand the true scriptures.
Both of them should reconcile because without forgiveness and reconciliation or restitution, one cannot make heaven. It doesn’t matter if you’re a pastor. What matters is that we must follow the teachings of Jesus and obey the commandments that God has laid down. Love God with all your soul and Love your neighbor. The heart of a person must be that of a child before such person is considered worthy of the kingdom of God
Impacting what and who? How is he impacting his generation, he has no sound teaching just stories and bragging about money multiplication. Children of mammon
What do u know about impact ? How much of God do you know ? How much truth do u know. U sound like the children of former times, gazing with open mouths, the antics of traveling clowns. Sometimes try not to respond on this brand of matters, at least not too quickly. Sit in momentous reflections. Examine before u comment, even if Dr Enenche for instance is ur Pastor
@@LawrenceTatanahhow many people both Christians and non Christians do you think would listen to Dr Enenche for 5 mins and be engaged? Like him or not, Damina engages the lay person and the Christian who isn’t seeking God for things, money or some deliverance. In 5 to 10 years.
That pastor is right. Damina is impacting lives globally. A few pastor's think Damina does not have members , it will shock them in a few years from now.
@@decapol wrong! He choosed not to build large auditorium. Different visions different message. Even Jesus lost his large crowd when he started revealing deep truths. It is not about crowd.
I was in the church yesterday and heard all he said . He preached about building strength for the future and he was talking about his roots and then started talking stories without preaching I was disappointed cos I knew he was talking about Abel damina
The same thing Damina was teaching his church about that led him to refer to the success and great exploits of Enenche in Abuja to the glory of God, the dignity of divine direction. What was so terrible about that. He was not bashing Enenche or claiming glory for his success. Nigerian Men of God should be calming down. About his marriage Damina said he only spoke to his wife's mum to accept the marriage, maybe they were resisting the marriage which is normal. Except they have been having their issues which they refused to work on which they are now using this opportunity to handle if it is what Damina first said i dont see any malice on Abel's part in this particular topic.
@@kabwes.hantananga9617So you want to convince me that Jesus failed in His ministry. Because He never had such a crowd. Most of those large crowds are mixed multitudes and not disciples. Don't use human standards to evaluate impact, wait for well done my faithful servant.
@@mediaexpress-news.8208 DO YOU STUDY YOUR BIBLE OR YOU WAIT FOR TH-cam TO POP UP? Like seriously you mean Jesus has no crowd? Really? Sir Jesus is our model don't be cheated... Go study your Bible and see what he did...
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George I like your analysis on this matter. Enenche simply does not want to accept what Abel said. Abel on the other hand is given us more proves to show how very close or how depth he knows enenche, wife and church. Abel damina must have given his advice then enenche went to God for confirmation. There's no need calling each other names. In Igbo we do apprenticeship with our Oga, that doesn't mean that the boys can't outgrow their masters, but they still respect their masters. I rest my case.
I agree ☝️ with this comment.
Well said sir. you have said whats on my mind
The crux of the problem is the apprentice denying and insulting the master.
Remember the infamous “ a Rat does not give birth to an Elephant “
And still pilling up
I agree ☝️
@@samuelmarioghae He Affirmed WHAT?
I was with you yesterday, but not today doesn't mean our paths never crossed. God detests PRIDE.
Eneche get pride oo he has bought father for himself
True talk
Our paths crossed doesn't mean you must be in my autobiography as I define my kairos moments in my journey.
Absolutely!
Paul Enenche is full of pride. You don't deny people that helped you. You may choose not to associate with them, but don't insult them.
Wallai...his possessed with the evil spirit of pride...He needs deliverance
I understand your point but, if by accident you met with a person and you get to realize that your relationship with that person has no bearings based on your personality, you take your leave. After all, he never said they didn't meet. He can't be coming out to start giving God's credit to man.
We love him like that. He does not pastor Nonentities. You see it as pride but he is not.
@@PrettyChika_Egelethat’s why you can never learn cuz you act with emotions with your proud pastor. I wonder how many of those gullible people ever study the Bible .
As prideful as Oyedepo.
Imagine as a student in 200L, a friend in 300L gave you his handout to read for your exam. Then you read and passed in flying colours. Later in life, he started saying if not for him, you would have failed the exam or not graduate from the university. Is this entirely truly? Thats what Damina is trying to do. Saying that he gave direction to Eneche is what is paining Eneche. For a man who has been serving God for years even from Campus. The glory is to God, Damina is just trying to take advantage of past association. Imagine a father who could not pay his son school fees, later in years came out to say if not for him, the child wont be a graduate. It is easier to believe the father, but the son feels pain after doing odd jobs to sponsor himself, the father wants to take the glory
I don’t know this Pastor but he did make a very important point. Pride makes you diminish those God used for you.
they guy is full of himself, he is very proud
A child can be bigger/richer than their parents and they won't stop being the parents. An illiterate parent can raise a very learned child... You can indeed take direction (sometimes) from people that appear lost.
@Kesiena-y4z only replying all the messages with a copy and paste comment
Well defend your mini god pastor
You are right @ayo.
@@PrinceSamuel-pp7qxdon't mind them.
Who parented who?? Teaching someone somethings in their life process, ordaining someone to start a church, Telling someone a Word from God that confirms what God had told them doesn't make you their spiritual parent
TRUTH IS..HEAVEN is cleaning the NIGERIAN CHURCH..separating the sheep from the wolf. It would reflect in the Nigerian politics too..but I "SEE" persecution coming to genuine consecrated ministers but POWER and WEALTH will flow...
Pride goes before a fall. It's disgusting when the so called men of faith rant on social media over crowd pulling rather than preach the gospel of repentance and salvation to a congregation that is longing for Chrrist. It's a pity indeed. My heart bleeds for this generation of so called men of God. So sad.
BRG YOUR ANALYSIS IS VERY MUCH CORRECT. EVEN THOUGH NOBODY IS IN ABEL DAMINA'S CHURCH THE WORLD IS LISTENING TO HIM FROM ALL CHURCHES AND ALL PASTORS ARE LISTENING TO HIM. TIME WILL TELL
Well...Abel Damina is a man....he can still change. Many of his teachings currently are not really accurate... That's the only challenge
Damina mentioned someone who helped him go to Uyo in one of his interviews. That name is not new.
@@Cephas-TheRock Well, someone that has epignosis can not change their teaching. You can not be teaching the whole counsel of God (Salvation, spiritual growth, ministry) and change much later?
Change to where?
Change to something that is not in the Bible?
I guess you guys do not really understand what we are dealing with here. We are dealing with the scripture that has a closure. Not i saw, i saw. It was I saw, I saw that brought about all the errors of Pentecostalism. from Apostle Ayo Babalola using Spiritual item-water) to Arc Bishop Benson Idahosa materialistic gospel.
Now we are in a age, where all of these are being looked into from the lens of the Bible, and you think the man will change?
Mind you, the man has been preaching this for like 10years plus, even in the most difficult times, he didn't change, you think he will now?
He has open you up to read your Bible yourself, and he will now come tomorrow and say something else from what he has said to be truth, and people will not draw him back?..
Just calm down bro !!
But Abel Damina has been in ministry even before Dr Paul so how come his church is still empty is it that people aren’t getting blessed from his preaching..? just curious
@@Theikeskids Well, e no hard, check his videos here, you can fast forward to the end when they show Dr Damina's congregation and you see things yourself if his church was empty or not.
No matter what you have become don't disdain those who played role in your life no matter how small it is.
That Abel Damina was one of the trustees when Dunamis started is revealing....
How success leds to pride is what I am watching in this "movie"
"May your evidence/proof not deny you." This hit me hard. I say amen.
I am scarred for who is lying. Somebody go wound ooh. God is not respecta of man. Let us continue to intercede. My brother well done. It is always a delight to listen to your wisdom.
Balanced with great discretion and humility as usual. Thanks my beloved brother George. Keep it up.
It's quite painful that so many pastors tell lies and half truths on the pulpit, especially when they are boasting of their personal exploits. These are the things that are weakening the body of Christ and Christianity.
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People that have helped you at some point should be regarded and respected regardless of what their views and doctrines they hold with time.
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I agree.
Well said. Best comment on this issue
I don't understand what you mean. Damina says he ordained Paul and Paul eneche says no.... Na by force?
@@decapol The point isn't about who ordained or who didn't ordain who. I love Dr. Paul and I think Damon's teachings are misleading also.
However for the sake of the people who hold Dr. Paul to a certain standard, giving that man (Damina) his flowers when he was helpful is the right thing to do.
Dr. Paul can now go on to say, at some point we went our separate ways because our teachings and doctrinal believes changed - it's just simple.
May God have mercy on the Church in Nigeria. The Spirit of distraction is at work, please pray for the Body of Christ
I’m sorry it’s the spirit of Mormon and the sister, pride. We haven’t been doing the Lord’s work, have we? We’ve built big houses, developed a system of extracting money from members under various guises for vanity projects. That’s why a Pastor thinks, along with Nigerian politicians that big buildings and many members, more loyal to him than Christ, are the achievements dat make him better than another person. As if all the words of Jesus across scripture isn’t for them. Why no one in that entire congregation didn’t call him out with scriptures is d saddest thing though. Twisting scriptures to suit their pride is cardinal sin against the word of God.
Yes i see pride in Dr Aneche Paul.
So much pride
@@marthaatoe4189 Her wife looks humble, hope he can listen to her.
Time is indeed telling. It is embarrassment for the body of Christ.
Nothing like embarrassment my friend things must be set straight Blind following the Blind both fall into the pit. Mad people everywhere
Yes it's embarrassing for body of Christ but also embarrassing for Enenche
Yes I see Pride in Enenche.
I believe Enenche is the one telling Lies. What's wrong with Damina being involved in Enenche ministry. If Damina strayed it's not Enenche fault and so Enenche should not deny having a Relationship with him just because He feels Damina has strayed from Faith
Regardless of what's happening with Damina now FACT Remains that if he once had a relationship with Damina its fact and denying will not help him . Instead it is exposing them as Liers
It's embarrassing for the body of men. The body is Christ is in tact, nothing can shake it. The body of Christ is standing and fairing well but only that of men is shaking.
Pride is Paul eneche problem.
All Evidence shows it all.
The Tithing is the issues they all have with Damina.
U can't judge him on that because u didn't call him or gave him the message
Definitely sir
@@jasminejenesis6541There you go again, making a deity out of an ordinary man. I'm sure you won't say this if he is a politician
Thou shall not judge. Ok.
If I judge a man, I will also be judge.
But let me say this.
Any man of God who have responded to Abel Damina with derogatory words, calling him names, or saying that one who has a lesser number of congregation, n financial status can not father one who has proven himself in ministry, then they are wrong by all biblical standard.
Now I can say this boldly, ask any genuine christian in active service, he will confirm this.
(1)Now: if a young brother bust into the scene with good educational background, sound eloquence n charisma, he will be promoted instantly ahead of those who have been serving there before him.
(2) If a pastor is remitting bountiful amount of offering to the head quarter n a robust church attendance, he will be sent to a bigger city while the pastor that does not remit good offering to the head quarter, or a small number of attendance, he will remain in a small church for a very long time.
May God help the church of Christ.....Amen.
At the end of all these drama, Paul Enenche will apologize to Damina. If he doesn't, na him sabi. The evidences are too much to refute and are so convincing. The more enenche or his goons deny, the more the truth stares at us all.
Nobody knows what transpired between the 2 of them. But the way damina called him out speak volumes of tthe bitterness in him
@@decapol Oga rest abeg, you are just everywhere defending your pastor. Lock up and rest
@@decapol bitterness ke. Show the evidence of bitterness because there's nothing like that from his comments. What is obvious is gang up against Damina because he's no longer in cahoots with them, simple!
@@decapolare u saying the way eneche rewrite his history by deleting him despite such great contribution is not evil ....dont worry someone will do that to you
@@samuelmarioghaehypocrite
Pride is speaking here. May God help us all😢
You nailed it!!
Exactly!!! Dr Paul kindly open up your eyes and ask for wisdom from God so that this drama between you and Damina comes to an end. We don't want to be listening to these stories. With love from🇿🇲
U call fact pride🙄
George you're full of Wisdom from God. Keep it up brother..I like your channel. Always watching you from Germany 🇩🇪
God is raally at work to expose all these mighty god of men in Nigeria and beyond. We are seeing their fruits and by their fruits we shall know them. God have mercy and deliver your people.
Àmen.
You're so right.
He went to Damina before this fasting and prayer. Abel said he should go and pray about it. So he went to pray to get confirmation.
Sure u get oiĺ for head
God is with Dr. Damian
Ask my good preacher Dr. Damina to keep off all these. I have been listening to Dr. Damina for last 12 years, in Kenya. I think he is going off mark. Let him keep off, teach the word. Dr. Preach the word.
You're mad. You're silent on those calling him rat and thief and a liar. Abel Damina is a lead leader with a huge following. He has to prove he's not a liar
@@israelsamuel7764 to what extent, all these is happening because he has missed it. Just focus because all these are unnecessary filling his messages with emotions and half truths which is very dangerous to his calling and the sheep under his feet. If you treat your children with love, they will not openly disown you. May God help both of them and and body of Christ.
BRG Research and Analysis is just so neutral ❤
I appreciate
Lets us just please put more energy in praying for all our church leaders. It's not easy. God bless you all.
True
This is the best comment here
Best comment
I think pride just got the better part of Paul eneche
There is nothing wrong in using a story to teach people. Damina used a story to teach, just as we use Bible stories to teach. I don't think that's wrong.
What is the redemptive message in those stories?
Jesus' stories saved souls. Just for the record.
@@aristotle9245
You are okay with the back and forth right? You are okay with stories that do not save anyone or bring people to Christ. I see that is cognition and wisdom Mr Aristotle.
It was an illustrations on leading of the Spirit. Like have you really followed the story or you're blinded by blind support for your lying papa, Enenche? 🤣
Exactly
The truth to all of this is that some actions on both parties have said this ga that shouldn't be said in a bid to defend some words. I don't think we realize what it meant to not always prove a point. May God help us
Even when Osinachi Died he failed to protect her and rarher than apologise he was too proud. He sent his daughter who is a Lawyer/ Barrister to speak
Don't say what you don't know.
Be careful what you say Oga or madam.
You're a true analyst,I respect you so much sir
Pride and self is the hallmark of Enenches presentation..he does away with the people that God sends to him on his way up..watch out so that ruin will not be your portion.
Those who love God n know how He moves will know that even if Abel Damina is not perfect in the way he perches, and sometimes he preaches heresy, we can still see God moving in the midst of all these faults Abel Damina has brought out.
To be very fair, many ministers have been saying all these Abel Damina is saying now, but in a low key.
Abel Damina is like an extended voice of so many ministers, church workers n members alike.
There are many people today you see smoking n drinking today, if they tell you their foundation you will be surprised. But because they served so closed to a pastor and witness first hand of some character n behavior, they quite n went the opposite direction.
So this is an eye opener.
Let him that has ear, hear what the spirit is saying.
Even where this could be true ,"ori bibe ko loogun ori fifo"that is To cut off an end which aches is not supposedly the final solution.
So let's the church continue ask for mercy of God ,the harvest is ripe but labourers are very few as some expected fervent labourers are busy either as onlookers/spectators,referees, judges,fans and warriors on social media instead of being on field.
Brethren, let us pray for these men of God. This is not good for the body of Christ
they're god's of men not men of God.
"Pride makes you deminish people that God used to make you grow" in any aspect of life even in spiritual and economic endeavors.
I'm just ashamed of Pastor Paul's veiw about church growth.
Pastor Paul, YOU ARE EVIDENTLY PART OF THE PROOF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR. WHILE WE MAY NOT AGREE WITH DR ABEL DOCTRINALLY, THE TRUTH REMAINS THE TRUTH.
Fact
God bless you richly. God has given you wisdom. ❤
There's something called confidentiality. A key quality of being a leader is that private discussions are exactly that. PRIVATE.
Papa Abel Damian leaves him alone time will tell
God have blessed you already we love you blessed your heart
Materialism, big cathedral and a large congregation is now the pride of these Pastors. Very arrogant and proud
Eneche is a proud person. Christ is not in any of these.
Are you the one to tell Christ where and where not to be?
It shouldn't be like this. What are they dragging really?
Vanity upon vanity. Where's Jesus Christ in all of these?
Abegi
Mr enenche is a proud person, who told u, be there judging, no go do something better with ur life 31:09
Oya christ the second I greet u
Who told you? Did God tell you? Do you know the Pastor? Please let us jettison all these speculations or assumptions.The devil thrives on assumptions.God isn't in ministers fighting against one another on the pulpit and naming names.The mission is to go to the World preach the gospel and make disciples.
You've done the best job regarding this issue so far and trust me, I have watched more than 30 pod cast on this matter
Thats how Enenche disgraced thst Lawyer who gavs testimony publicly but when it was found out that he was wrong he felt TOO proud to apologise public. He gavs her public disgrace and apologised Privately
Exactly!!! He embarrassed her in public but they only released pictures of the laughing together on social media where the woman was claiming that "they have settled the issue". Pride is the main issue with most so-called men of God.
" Former president was there listening to stories ", instead of hearing the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Father, have mercy on us.
Og rest abeg, them no de tell life story for church?, y do u then listen to testimonies 🙄
Ok jesus grandma can you do better did u listen to the full message
This is exactly my thoughts
I pray God help us focus on Christ and Him being crucified!
A critic will always criticize anything and everything... They called John a mad man coz of his dress code and isolated life, Jesus on the other hand a drunkard and glutton, so pple! Story telling...?
Paul Eneche is ‘full’ with pride. Calling the building dilapidated, hahahaha! Is it about building or preaching Christ? He has shot himself on his foot. I believe God has been dealing with him about his pride but he refused, it has now come to this. Watch how long he has left? The spirit in him now is that of pride. Wait a shame!
Enenche also bursted about taking off his shoes, fasting without food but only water, I do 7 days raw dry fasting, water will not touch my body at all, also about praying for 4hrs, I pray 8 to 10 hours straight, I pray without asking for cucumber and cake, speak in tongues for 7 days, all these are called born again zeal, we all did these things... Enenche is proud, pride is in him, so he is preaching self and forget to preach the raw gospel to people who are dying
Leave all this stories, Let Jesus be your focus. I could hear Bishop Oyedapo in him. It's always about how their church has grown and is successful. Pride. May God help the church. Amen
GEORGE - I think both Paul and Damina may be correct thus:
(1) Ministry Direction: Maybe after Paul met Damina and Damina told him to go to Abuja Paul then went into prayer and God confirmed the direction to him and his wife. Maybe also, God had already told Paul where to go and then when he went to Damina God confirmed it again through Damina to seal the assurance.
(2) Marriage: Maybe after God had revealed to Paul whom to marry, the wife's family kicked against it (a little) and Damina and others stepped into the matter and convinced the wife's family to approve the marriage plan.
FOR ME, THIS IS MY UNBIASED ANALYSIS.
It seems to me that Paul doesn't want to recognise that God used Damina in some ways to help him.
They will both be correct in your eyes because you're being hypocritical
@@samuelmarioghaenow he is saying he left Damina because of his evil practices which include what and what? I think that was his smart way of ending the matter in the mind of his congregants that may have been asking some questions about the whole drama.
To show proof that Abel Damina was big & influential back then, even Paul Adefarasin sef invited Abel Damina to his church, House on the Rock in 2016, & when I went through the comments of that sermon on TH-cam, they all confirmed he preached good in the comment section, & to be honest, he actually did preached good like expected of him then...
If not for Abel Damina's excesses nowadays, I think a lot of pastors would still be associating with him right now...
You are really contributing to true and God will bless the work you're doing. A renowned professor, engineer, doctor, etc who denies his primary school teacher or his father because they are not as 'famous' and reach as themselves must remember that God hates the proud and ingrates.
So, what does the gigantic building he and the congregants he apparently leads contributed in elevation of sincerity, behaviour, discipline, economic ability, nationalism/love of Nigerians for Nigeria, and most importantly the behaviours expected of those who wants to go to heaven and be with our Lord?
Keep quiet ok
This man's head is full of pride. A foundation built on lies will not stand..
they are worshiping in a dilapidated building, Enenche's Reply which himself also recognize and called bosting is so so discouraging. I am pained this is coming from him.
@@samuelmarioghae Pls the link to that full video here. Meanwhile my amazement is not in the assumption that he is denying Abel, but in his calling his church dilapidated, even you are not surprise? if not, what happened to you?
@@samuelmarioghaeno matter what he may have said in the full message, calling another pastor's church a dilapidated building is out of it. Unless you are not a true Christian. Call spade a spade! When your father is wrong admit it, unless you have made him a god that cannot make mistakes.
Oh! the body of Christ. My heart breaks. May God help us.
Is not the body of Christ but rather d denominational assembly
Honestly, the pride of Pastor Enenche is something else. What does the scripture says about pride and arrogance?
If you think this man of God is proud, please pray for him as a child of God
Paul eneche is is worldly . The way he talked about mingling with pastors that didn’t go to university some secondary school cert 😂
simple clearity Eneche is playing with the truth
Enenche and pride is so deeply interwoven..he needs to earnestly pray for God's deliverance and lowlifes in all areas of his life.
When will Damina open a church in Osun State? He has members here already.
😂😂😂
No vex o, e be like say stingy they live for osun
Paul Enenche's pride is over the roof... SMH!
When Pastor Eneche can not boldly say his sorry to her church member, that he disgraced in the church auditorium, that is when i knew the type of person he is
Absolutly true and same for me, you can only know the true nature of a person when they act promptly. I hope he read this comment one day and work on his attitude. Thre is no place for pride, boasting and demeaning another person.
If he was so intuned with God how come he didnt know that the girl was saying the truth and had to disgrace her on national broadcast.
Unbelievers looking for justifications. You want him to do this and that , just the way the devil tempted Jesus. Make una go rest
@@PrettyChika_EgeleThe problem here is that he LIED, so he is a liar and therefore he and people like yourself who are not happy that he got busted but preferred to cover his lies for him are more of an UNBELEIVER than those who want to see the truth. And this is not the first time he is telling a glaring lie. I remember when Osinachi died, he denied knowing that her husband beats her. A situation that later got him embarrassed as he could not come up with a statement that made sense at the time. This is sad for a person that calls himself a man of God.
George oohhh PRIDE and Glorification of Men now de at the center of the modern day Christianity
I respect Pastor Paul a lot, but he did not need to reply Pastor Damina in this manner. It's incontrovertible that he once submitted to Damina.
He never submitted, he was an associate pastor. Pastor Paul never lived in uyo, never schooled there. They were associates. Who said you can't break up with an associate?
@@raphaelobinna476that's not true. You don't need to live where a man of God lives or operated from, for him to be your spiritual father. Late Bishop Idahosa had spiritual children all over Africa when he was still around. Over 99.5 percent of them where not living in Benin city, Edo state, Nigeria, where he lived, or had their ministry there. So these are not the criteria for having someone as your spiritual father/mentor. Or summiting to someone. As long as you can reach that person whenever you want to.
@@aristotle9245 Google 'associate pastor' and find out the meaning. Don't argue blindly.
@@samuelmarioghaez❤
@@raphaelobinna476 Here yourself, if there is an Associate Pastor or Producer, it didn't occur to you that there will be a Principal Pastor or Producer who Associate takes decision from and also learn from? May God Clean our Churches particularly in Nigeria. Christians, abeg make una they study una bible Holy Spirit will surely teach una.
Enenche is a great teacher but a very proud man. This thing shouldn't have festered to this point. Paul would have just acknowledged Damina immediately and ended the unnecessary saga.
Damina from all intents and purposes was a very big influence in not just Enenche's spiritual journey but his personal life and choices
Paul Enenche doesn't teach well at all. He's a noise maker
That's the point.
@@williamsprincejude7960but he does. Breaks down things to the last. He has a crooked voice from years of shouting that makes it uneasy to listen to sometimes.
@@neduonwukwe4074 no he doesn't at all. If you know what teaching the gospel is
Acknowledge him foe what? Is he JESUS CHRIST?
One painful thing is that this Enenche Pastor has never once admitted that he had a good relationship with Abel Damina at one time. What a man of God!!😢
Only God knows if Eneche na pastor or Babalawo
@@Ayaps2023Gbam! I've always had that feeling too. I want to believe flesh and blood has not revelaed this to you......Matt 16:7
Lol
@Ayaps2023 i disagree with you, i might not know what transpired btw them but it's not up to us to judge. Also thy Lord has used him to break protocol in my life without even meeting him or attending the church physically.
Thank you ❤
@@samuelmarioghae What evil other than sound doctrine? Have you ever listened attentively to Abel Damina?
It is well. But i love the last pastor. God is helping us.
I’m so afraid about the pride and arrogance of pastor Paul recently, I wish he can just be the Paul we knew
It is not pride at all..... When someone is trying to throw mud on you ,gotta speak up. We have no right to judge him. Damina should face his own ministry
God bless you. Paul enenche is foolishly proud.
He is too proud
Paul eneche is very proud full of himself proud man is beginning of his falling
I pray God help him before its too late
You are very right. Paul Enenche is being economical with the truth. Dr Abel Damina is bringing out facts.
For your information,Mr Pride was inside Paul Enenche manifesting gradually. Night vigils only his family sings majorly, He makes sure his songs are sang always.
Infact, Enenche has become sooo carnal that after or before service he takes different pictures. So if celebrities are crazy about what they,you too Enenche does the same thing like a child. What's the difference between you and celebrities? Who is the light,the world should follow? I rest my case.
BRG, your analysis is on point without bias.
Just like Europe these pilgrimage centers called church will soon be empty.
No it won’t!
@@ephratahmoi7240 Once an organization leaves its primary purpose the end is near. Our Lord Jesus Christ said if the salt loses it's taste it is no longer useful
Loved this man during PO campaign, now I'm loving him more.
Do you know what I think; DAD has consistently said he has no problem with Enenche, but surrogates and SM have not allowed this matter rest, and DAD is responding to the SM people. Someone once said, Enenche came to pick DAD for a meeting. I think behind the scenes, there is a cordial and respectful understanding of what caused the separation. DAD is using this to prove how great he is as he influenced one of the biggest. The fact that DAD is granting interview to TV stations and podcasts, we know who is looking for publicity. But then again, DAD is responding to SM people not Enenche
So Pastor Enenche has always been hearing from God from the cradle,no mentor? Pride is on the rise somewhere here.We grow no doubt but own up and apologize if need be and move on.. well done BRG.
Pride in action. Are we still going to same heaven?
I know about innocent Raphael I saw him in the 90s when he visited my dad, he has a foot print in gospel program of his age, actually gospel efficiency is not quantified by the size of ur pocket neither the crowd of mixed multitude around u, but gospel power which is evident in the freedom of the man from sin
Today I have the followings: WASC,OND,ND, BSc, BMLS, MBChB, PGDE, PGDPA,MPA,MSc, AEHRECON, FIMLT, CERT in ART(Mumbai) and PhD(inview) but there is no way i could call any of my primary school teachers a rat because I have adequately surpassed them academically. I still bow in reverence each time I come across any of the teachers who taught me during my formative years. Pride is the hallmark and easiest way to recognize a poorly trained individual from the home.
It’s 💯 clear Dr Abel is saying the truth
The damage control is not “controlling” if indeed Abel is Honest!
You want his head in your palm to know his truthful right? Hypocrite
Yeah... this looks like a damage controlled concocted reply
You no dey tire @@samuelmarioghae
Paul is proud
What about Mboro?
Enenche is too proud even when Osinachi died, a lead chorister in his church he didn't even identify with her. He was just too proud to attend her burial or help her children. Abel Damina is a big liar here, period!
Finally when they go leave this world , they go along with the ministry
Damina and Enenche had a relationship but separated when Damina started preaching about tithe as the saying goes birds of the same feathers flock together ( Oyedepo and Enenche)
💯👍
@Kesiena-y4z wake up from the pastors who give you what your itching ears desires. Shouting and jumping doesn't mean fire in the Lord, if you understand the true scriptures.
@@samuelmarioghaewhat did Enenche become big of please? Revelation 3 explained his type of big ,and said he's poor, naked, wretched.
Keep up the good work George. Let he who has ear hear. You are doing a great job
Both of them should reconcile because without forgiveness and reconciliation or restitution, one cannot make heaven. It doesn’t matter if you’re a pastor. What matters is that we must follow the teachings of Jesus and obey the commandments that God has laid down. Love God with all your soul and Love your neighbor. The heart of a person must be that of a child before such person is considered worthy of the kingdom of God
Dr. Dami is truly touched lives oooo
Worldly Paul Eneche, May God help him to know Christ
He already knows Christ ... And was on his own b4 this distraction
@@decapolhypocrite
very worldly
I don't know why this conversation is funny to me 😂😂😂😂 but I love the way George puts them altogether..FACTS 💯
Let him continue bringing out evident and let Dr paul Enenche continue impacting his generation
I'm sure the person with 1 million followers is imparting more than someone with thousands of members in his church
Impacting what and who? How is he impacting his generation, he has no sound teaching just stories and bragging about money multiplication. Children of mammon
Impacting with pride and lies abi? Continue. Don't go and pray for discerning spirit from God.
What do u know about impact ? How much of God do you know ? How much truth do u know. U sound like the children of former times, gazing with open mouths, the antics of traveling clowns. Sometimes try not to respond on this brand of matters, at least not too quickly. Sit in momentous reflections. Examine before u comment, even if Dr Enenche for instance is ur Pastor
@@LawrenceTatanahhow many people both Christians and non Christians do you think would listen to Dr Enenche for 5 mins and be engaged? Like him or not, Damina engages the lay person and the Christian who isn’t seeking God for things, money or some deliverance. In 5 to 10 years.
George you are made for this
That pastor is right. Damina is impacting lives globally. A few pastor's think Damina does not have members , it will shock them in a few years from now.
Since 1986? We are waiting
@@decapol wrong! He choosed not to build large auditorium. Different visions different message. Even Jesus lost his large crowd when he started revealing deep truths. It is not about crowd.
@@decapol Have you visited uyo auditorium.
I was in the church yesterday and heard all he said . He preached about building strength for the future and he was talking about his roots and then started talking stories without preaching I was disappointed cos I knew he was talking about Abel damina
Haba. It is well
Damina is not a big boy,Enenche does not want to identify with him. No matter how big you have grown, acknowledge those who where there.
@@samuelmarioghae Thank you for correcting me👍🏿
My George, Enenche has 100% PRIDE and ARGUED.
The same thing Damina was teaching his church about that led him to refer to the success and great exploits of Enenche in Abuja to the glory of God, the dignity of divine direction. What was so terrible about that. He was not bashing Enenche or claiming glory for his success. Nigerian Men of God should be calming down. About his marriage Damina said he only spoke to his wife's mum to accept the marriage, maybe they were resisting the marriage which is normal. Except they have been having their issues which they refused to work on which they are now using this opportunity to handle if it is what Damina first said i dont see any malice on Abel's part in this particular topic.
Weldon my brother great job please keep it up stay blessed God bless you
Who told Enenche Damina's church is empty? Stupid statements coming from Enenche.
Just upload a current video of DR Abel Damina in his church showing the whole church not the palpit alone, why defend without proofs
@@kabwes.hantananga9617So you want to convince me that Jesus failed in His ministry. Because He never had such a crowd. Most of those large crowds are mixed multitudes and not disciples. Don't use human standards to evaluate impact, wait for well done my faithful servant.
He is deceived by the blind crowd cheering him.
@@UNITYOFFAITHTVhe is just seeing the false in them,especially Enenche 's pride .
@@mediaexpress-news.8208 DO YOU STUDY YOUR BIBLE OR YOU WAIT FOR TH-cam TO POP UP? Like seriously you mean Jesus has no crowd? Really? Sir Jesus is our model don't be cheated... Go study your Bible and see what he did...
Oh Eneche is so materialistic. It's so shameful. He kept lying and stands in the pulpit in the name of Christ.
Beingrealgeorge you are simply superb in analytical presentation. Kudos to u sir.