Nice video. Do yourself a favor and try running these after removing the back, pulling the insulation and removing the chamber off the back of the sealed midrange. IMHO, this made my CS-63DX's come alive. Of course, you'll lose some bass, but if you have a sub I think they sound great. I generally can't stand box speakers and listen to Open Baffles, preferably. So, I'm biased. But you should try it. Also, it's worth pointing out the incredible materials that Pioneer used at the time: 100% void free Mahogany plywood. I've never seen anything like it before.
Hello. Great videos! I was just wondering if there a greater difference in sound when you buy the expensive set of caps rather than the cheaper ones you laid out?
The difference in sound is negligible. Some people with deep pockets will spend thousands on crossover capacitors for higher end speakers but for most anything, that's really not necessary. When you spend a lot of money on caps, they don't necessarily sound "better" just different. I usually use the Jantzen cross caps or the Dayton audio caps that I used in this video. The Jantzen are a bit more expensive so I typically use them for higher end speakers. There are lots of great articles and forum posts on the internet debating different capacitors and which one sounds the best. Thanks for watching!
Got a pair of Pioneer S-910 for 50€ on the local used market. Still, after 1 year of using them, the typical problem starts of the woofers membrane dying because the material deteriorates over time. Are there any good new replacement chassis from dayton audio or something like that?
Nice! That's a great deal! The foam on the woofers does tend to deteriorate over time. You can replace the foam with ones found on eBay. I'm in the US so these are what showed up but you may have some more local to you where shipping wouldn't cost as much: www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2062857.m570.l1313&_nkw=pioneer+s-910+woofer+foam&_sacat=0
Nice job.. one bit though.. for touch ups get a real paint marker at the craft store it's much better than a sharpie wich ink looks purple-ish. Good call replacing the caps as it affects crossover point, i'm sure you know.
Thank you! You're totally right, I now have oil based paint pens that I will use in the future! Yes indeed! Always nice to replace the caps if they're bad.
For capacitors, the ESR value is just as important as the actual capacitance. Regarding the boomy sound, you may want to put some baffles inside to reduce resonance of the panels of the enclosure. Since these are a closed enclosure design, adding less than 1 liter of wood for baffles will not be very significant in the rolloff of the bass.
ESR value is definitely important. Hmm, that could definitely help but this woofer in particular is just not well suited for bass. Could be fun to tinker around with them though since they don't have great bass extension to begin with. Thanks for watching!
Having your speakers this close to the floor will make the floor a large part of your audio experience. Consider putting the tweeters at ear level and insulating them "vibrationally" from the floor, walls and furniture so you don't have to deal with resonance of your room.
There are pros and cons to having speakers on the floor and having them off the floor. It's certainly always fun to tinker with different speaker positions. From my experience, the room is small enough and that the high frequencies don't change whether they are close to the floor or not. There are so many surfaces close by to bounce the sound off of and I'm not trying to deaden the room entirely. I typically sit on a bean bag in front of the speakers so the tweeters are right at ear level. I do want to do some acoustic treatment to the room but that's for a future video. Happy listening cheers 🥂
Great work on the pioneer's matt. I need your help please. I have the CS-99, and after I did the crossover recap. One of speakers cut's off at moderate volume.
Thank you! Hmm, have you gone back and checked all of the wiring on the crossover? Does it cut back in if you lower the volume or is it totally random?
And this doesnt happen with other speakers? Measure across the speaker terminals for an impedance reading. If it's really low, that could mean you have some wires crossed over where they shouldn't be. It's most likely there is a wire soldered to the wrong place. @@shawnarmstead8020
Wow! That is a cool effect you used with the speaker grills appearing and disappearing. Having the rear baffle open was cool, too. If THAT doesn’t pull a person into your video, what will? Excellent! Even listening on my 32-year-old Bose Lifestyle speakers hooked up to this Ubuntu Linux machine, I could certainly hear differences among your speakers. The Tannoys sound clearer and even have some airiness and imagingto them. Not gonna lie...the Pioneers DID sounded awful in comparison… Muffled and “cuppy.” Your mods to the crossovers did make the difference. It helped the sound! The modified Pioneer sounded less like people cupping their hands around their mouths whilst singing, LOL! You got more than 95% of the way with your cabinet refurbishment! Both of those Pioneers started off looking as though they’d spent decades in a old storage locker. Heck, even that little bit of veneer that got rubbed off was an improvement; it gave the veneer some...you know...character, LOL! These speakers look great now. I’m glad you didn’t MIRE yourself in silly details. Me? I’d’ve gone off the rails trying to make these sow’s ears into the silk purses you turned them into! I’d’ve strayed off into stuff like REPLACING some of the speaker components and finding a totally different crossover network design to go with them. I’d’ve probably tried to add too much bracing to damp down the cabinet resonances. And I’d’ve probably wound up with speakers too heavy to move around, LOL! In short...I’d’ve totally missed the whole point of restoring these speakers and in doing so removed their distinctive character. I admire how YOU KNOW WHAT to change and what to leave well enough alone. You GET these speakers! This was a joy to watch and listen to! Mahalo for a great video!
Thanks for noticing haha. I love doing little effects like that. I'm glad to hear the audio came through well and you liked my restoration! It's so hard to not go overboard on things haha. I would love to design new crossovers for them but don't have the time/skills right now. Looking forward to doing more of that in the future. Glad to hear you enjoyed it! I appreciate you watching!
@@Shuksanaudio Just enjoy all the lessons you're teaching yourself. Before you realise it, you'll see visions of resistors, capacitors, and air core dancing in your head. And on the screen of your computer. I will enjoy looking in on your electronic adventures. Aloha.
HAha yea, you're totally right! I'm definitely trying to learn at an enjoyable pace without stressing about doing everything possible to each piece. I bet I'll be dreaming about it all in no time haha. Amazing! I really appreciate you watching!@@jimcabezola3051
Totally! It makes more of a difference for really old speakers. I've recapped some 20-30 year old speakers and not noticed any difference but it also depends on the caps used in the speakers. If they're electrolytic and over 30 years old, there's a good chance you'll notice the difference. Thanks for watching!
@@Shuksanaudio my Philips RH532 are from mid 70s with two amps and a motion feedback (basically a distortion compensator) circuit per speaker, with a lot of proprietary vishay caps. They measured fine on the preamp, but the filter caps from the power amps have a few dents. I think they are about 40€ in caps per speaker, that's why I'm hesitating to replace them 😅
Oh wow! Those sound really cool! Never heard of them before. That is a lot to update them! Could be worth it in the amplifiers for sure because they run at higher temps than a simple passive crossover component@@felixlutticken5694
The pioneer sound much better than the tannoys
In person they definitely don't.
Isn't Restor-A-Finish the best? Old English is nice too and is a little less greasy and has no odor. Both are pretty awesome for speakers. 😊
@@AudioThrift it’s very nice! I’ve heard good things about old English as well. Thanks for the tip!
Nice video. Do yourself a favor and try running these after removing the back, pulling the insulation and removing the chamber off the back of the sealed midrange. IMHO, this made my CS-63DX's come alive. Of course, you'll lose some bass, but if you have a sub I think they sound great. I generally can't stand box speakers and listen to Open Baffles, preferably. So, I'm biased. But you should try it. Also, it's worth pointing out the incredible materials that Pioneer used at the time: 100% void free Mahogany plywood. I've never seen anything like it before.
I don't have them any more but that is an interesting idea! Pretty wild that they used mahogany for plywood!
Hello. Great videos! I was just wondering if there a greater difference in sound when you buy the expensive set of caps rather than the cheaper ones you laid out?
The difference in sound is negligible. Some people with deep pockets will spend thousands on crossover capacitors for higher end speakers but for most anything, that's really not necessary. When you spend a lot of money on caps, they don't necessarily sound "better" just different. I usually use the Jantzen cross caps or the Dayton audio caps that I used in this video. The Jantzen are a bit more expensive so I typically use them for higher end speakers. There are lots of great articles and forum posts on the internet debating different capacitors and which one sounds the best. Thanks for watching!
Got a pair of Pioneer S-910 for 50€ on the local used market. Still, after 1 year of using them, the typical problem starts of the woofers membrane dying because the material deteriorates over time. Are there any good new replacement chassis from dayton audio or something like that?
Nice! That's a great deal! The foam on the woofers does tend to deteriorate over time. You can replace the foam with ones found on eBay. I'm in the US so these are what showed up but you may have some more local to you where shipping wouldn't cost as much: www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2062857.m570.l1313&_nkw=pioneer+s-910+woofer+foam&_sacat=0
Nice job.. one bit though.. for touch ups get a real paint marker at the craft store it's much better than a sharpie wich ink looks purple-ish. Good call replacing the caps as it affects crossover point, i'm sure you know.
Thank you! You're totally right, I now have oil based paint pens that I will use in the future! Yes indeed! Always nice to replace the caps if they're bad.
Buenas buen trabajo,como se llama las piezas negras que sacas del sobre blanco?....gracias
¿Estás hablando del pegamento negro de la botella blanca? Se llama RTV y es un pegamento a base de silicona.
For capacitors, the ESR value is just as important as the actual capacitance. Regarding the boomy sound, you may want to put some baffles inside to reduce resonance of the panels of the enclosure. Since these are a closed enclosure design, adding less than 1 liter of wood for baffles will not be very significant in the rolloff of the bass.
ESR value is definitely important. Hmm, that could definitely help but this woofer in particular is just not well suited for bass. Could be fun to tinker around with them though since they don't have great bass extension to begin with. Thanks for watching!
Having your speakers this close to the floor will make the floor a large part of your audio experience. Consider putting the tweeters at ear level and insulating them "vibrationally" from the floor, walls and furniture so you don't have to deal with resonance of your room.
There are pros and cons to having speakers on the floor and having them off the floor. It's certainly always fun to tinker with different speaker positions. From my experience, the room is small enough and that the high frequencies don't change whether they are close to the floor or not. There are so many surfaces close by to bounce the sound off of and I'm not trying to deaden the room entirely. I typically sit on a bean bag in front of the speakers so the tweeters are right at ear level. I do want to do some acoustic treatment to the room but that's for a future video. Happy listening cheers 🥂
Great work on the pioneer's matt. I need your help please. I have the CS-99, and after I did the crossover recap. One of speakers cut's off at moderate volume.
Thank you! Hmm, have you gone back and checked all of the wiring on the crossover? Does it cut back in if you lower the volume or is it totally random?
@@Shuksanaudio Thanks matt, at first the volume would step down at low volume . but as I increase the volume the speaker cut's off completely.
And this doesnt happen with other speakers? Measure across the speaker terminals for an impedance reading. If it's really low, that could mean you have some wires crossed over where they shouldn't be. It's most likely there is a wire soldered to the wrong place. @@shawnarmstead8020
@@Shuksanaudio Thanks Matt, will test them later on today.
Hello Matt, I am still issue with my Pioneer CS-99 crossover after recapping. Could you help me with this issue and the wiring of the crossover.
Nice work! I'm sure your cat approved.
Thank you! The cat loves them, thanks for noticing! I guess that means you watched the whole video and I appreciate it!
Wow! That is a cool effect you used with the speaker grills appearing and disappearing. Having the rear baffle open was cool, too.
If THAT doesn’t pull a person into your video, what will? Excellent!
Even listening on my 32-year-old Bose Lifestyle speakers hooked up to this Ubuntu Linux machine, I could certainly hear differences among your speakers. The Tannoys sound clearer and even have some airiness and imagingto them.
Not gonna lie...the Pioneers DID sounded awful in comparison… Muffled and “cuppy.”
Your mods to the crossovers did make the difference. It helped the sound! The modified Pioneer sounded less like people cupping their hands around their mouths whilst singing, LOL!
You got more than 95% of the way with your cabinet refurbishment! Both of those Pioneers started off looking as though they’d spent decades in a old storage locker. Heck, even that little bit of veneer that got rubbed off was an improvement; it gave the veneer some...you know...character, LOL!
These speakers look great now.
I’m glad you didn’t MIRE yourself in silly details.
Me?
I’d’ve gone off the rails trying to make these sow’s ears into the silk purses you turned them into! I’d’ve strayed off into stuff like REPLACING some of the speaker components and finding a totally different crossover network design to go with them. I’d’ve probably tried to add too much bracing to damp down the cabinet resonances. And I’d’ve probably wound up with speakers too heavy to move around, LOL!
In short...I’d’ve totally missed the whole point of restoring these speakers and in doing so removed their distinctive character.
I admire how YOU KNOW WHAT to change and what to leave well enough alone. You GET these speakers!
This was a joy to watch and listen to! Mahalo for a great video!
Thanks for noticing haha. I love doing little effects like that.
I'm glad to hear the audio came through well and you liked my restoration! It's so hard to not go overboard on things haha. I would love to design new crossovers for them but don't have the time/skills right now. Looking forward to doing more of that in the future.
Glad to hear you enjoyed it! I appreciate you watching!
@@Shuksanaudio Just enjoy all the lessons you're teaching yourself. Before you realise it, you'll see visions of resistors, capacitors, and air core dancing in your head. And on the screen of your computer.
I will enjoy looking in on your electronic adventures. Aloha.
HAha yea, you're totally right! I'm definitely trying to learn at an enjoyable pace without stressing about doing everything possible to each piece. I bet I'll be dreaming about it all in no time haha.
Amazing! I really appreciate you watching!@@jimcabezola3051
I'm surprised that recapping a speaker can make such a sound difference. I guess I should also give my Philips MFB active speakers a recap
Totally! It makes more of a difference for really old speakers. I've recapped some 20-30 year old speakers and not noticed any difference but it also depends on the caps used in the speakers. If they're electrolytic and over 30 years old, there's a good chance you'll notice the difference. Thanks for watching!
@@Shuksanaudio my Philips RH532 are from mid 70s with two amps and a motion feedback (basically a distortion compensator) circuit per speaker, with a lot of proprietary vishay caps. They measured fine on the preamp, but the filter caps from the power amps have a few dents. I think they are about 40€ in caps per speaker, that's why I'm hesitating to replace them 😅
Oh wow! Those sound really cool! Never heard of them before. That is a lot to update them! Could be worth it in the amplifiers for sure because they run at higher temps than a simple passive crossover component@@felixlutticken5694
Nice work.
Thanks so much, Tennyson!
Another great job Dealy keep it up I'm learning with you !!!
Thanks Gene! Glad to hear it!