Galloway used to be good at arguing his case. Guess you can't flogg a dead horse. If independence is just about Alex Salmond then surely Unionism is just about David Cameron? Why does Galloway care about Scotland not making war ships for the UK when whenever they are used he complains about the war? Why bring up Thatcher when she couldn't have affected us if we'd been independent?
@@1875-b6n That's like saying care to find a single Rhodesian that was n't a subject a the Queen. Of course, they were all British, Scotland is in Britain.
Huge number of scots in the empire especially controlling India and the far east. Scottish mills profited immensely from indian colonialism. The founders of HSBC were Scots. Founders of Jardine Matheson were Scots too.
I gues your band did not win it you drunken troll. .. 44.7% of the vote is not 3,000,000+. Were you skipping school the day they were doing sums? Or drinking Buckfast?
sillars is a no-bullshit straight-talker that reports the facts in clear, expressive language. galloway relies on intimidating, glib, abrasive whining; and as usual, he is wrong.
***** well "nonsense on stills" was repeated past the cringe-point. galloway has a vocabulary of buzzwords (glib) and uses the offensively (abrasive) and over and over again (whining). "barely speak"... sillars *won this debate*.
***** "And on what grounds did Sillars win the debate?" on a point-by-point basis. he made points that were not rebutted and he rebutted galloway on everything he said (and some things he said 5 times). "He said he wanted to see a more socialist Labour party running Scotland, as if you can have a socialist country of 5 million people, all the while claiming to cut corporation tax." northern europe seems to be doing alright. "Where is the funding for public services going to come from then?" corporation tax is not the only form of tax. "That is where you say goodbye to your free university tuition and prescriptions, after all the businesses have moved to England because the Tories are hardly taxing them." did that happen with france and germany? "Sillars doesn't have a fucking clue about the economy." shame galloway never noticed.
Volound No... Jim Sillars should have been a comic, he's a funny guy and always reminds me of Bernard Manning. I can't help laughing at the nonsense he comes out with. This whole Scottish devolution thing is just like getting all the working class loudmouths and entertaining the troops. It's pretty awful stuff for any serious politician tho.
jim sillars is a true Scottish legend, more confident than alex salmond in his stance on independence. watch share and vote yes for independence in Scotland on sept 18th 2014.
Galloway is a complete nutter but I can’t help enjoying his debate appearances. It’s also a pity (for Scots who want independence) that the SNP no longer have a decent, respectable leader like Jim Sillars.
India should support an independent Scotland. The empire has been on life support, time to pull the plug.Yes to an independant Scotland. Alba gu bràth.
TheOppl What’s your point? Were the polls *not* consistently showing a majority for No back then? And were said polls not proven correct? Whatever may or may not happen if there was a second referendum in the future doesn’t invalidate what I said back then.
@@CtrlOptDel Totally agree. Independence supporters and campaigners too often speak in a way that somehow independence is guaranteed. Certainly not a certainty and can't be very attractive to undecided voters or those who oppose Scottish independence.
Galloway assessment is correct, the Scottish people are not being offered independence, no sensible rational voter could vote for the form of independence being offered.
It staggers me how the SNP are taking Scotland into a referendum without even saying what currency it would use! They've been wrong about everything so far. Currency Union and EU membership.
@@RedScotland so what you are saying is if people voted no they are giving up their “Scottishness”, what a ridiculous statement. My family goes back hundred of years in this country but because I voted guess I’m not Scottish
@@RedScotland you are clearly delusional, ‘anti Scottish’ policies yes all them I forgot. I see you a fan of communism would you sent me to a death camp due to the fact I do not follow in line with your thinking, similarly to what happened in these communist countries throughout the world. You are the traitor betraying your own people because they hold a different view point.
@@RedScotland the numbers showed an independent Scotland wouldn't have been able to afford a furlough scheme during Covid, we would have been decimated. I'm open to changing my mind, and I don't like how things have gone with the EU, but I'm not going to vote Yes out of frustration just to open up a different frustration.
So the European countries are not independent because they are in a currency union? UK needs a currency union because we can walk away without the debt if the UK do not share the asset of the Bank of England - works for Scotland not sure it will work so well for the rest. The drop in value of Sterling without Scotland would hurt the financial markets there is no way that would happen. It is pure and simple a campaign ploy.
@@campbell3711 21 poles in a row suggest the majority in Scotland do want independence. Time will tell... Agreed though. Something very fishy about the whole Salmond inquiry and can't say I have much face in the Scottish government.
Sillars got totally gubbed by Galloway. Its a shame, as Sillars used to be a figure to follow, but he has utterly lost the way politically. Galloway, for all his personal flaws, speaks sensibly and reasonably and represents the labour and trade union movement.
The SNP are seriously downplaying how difficult it would be to separate from the UK. Westminster has even said publicly that a yes result won't guarantee independence. This is because there would be allot to negotiate with independence depending on these negotiations being successful. It would be the interests of 5 million Scots vs the interests of 60 million UK citizens. The currency question is one such issue that's being overlooked/downplayed by the SNP now but it will blow up into a massive row in a post yes era. I see allot of foreigners (Russians/Eastern Europeans etc) commenting here. They only support the Scottish nationalists because they think it will help them achieve their dream of being important again. Rather than build their own countries up, they think that they can achieve their goals by others falling. They care about as much for the Scots as Cromwell did. If you're going to vote to leave the UK then do it because you REALLY believe you'll be better off. Forget all the pompous showboating from politicians, learn the economical questions and make your decision.
Mr Sillars, you are absolutely right in saying that independence is not just about the SNP, it's about Scotland. However, who launched this White Paper? SNP. Who wrote it? Salmond and Sturgeon. The White Paper provides the most definitive clue as to what the SNP would like an independent Scotland to look like, therefore Scottish voters are effectively voting on what is blatantly an SNP vision. Even then, after all the negotiations are done and dusted, and depending on EU and Nato response, an independent Scotland could take a shape and form which is extremely different to what was originally envisaged. The uncertainty is too great moving forward.
@@indiana146 🤣🤣🤣🤣 George here "38:00" lying through his teeth! to Scotland, who I'll remind you voted 62% to remain in the EU. The Shill has absolutely zero credibility in Scotland.
@@THEPINKFLOYDIANS ill also remind you sturgeon has got scotland deep in debt Yes scotland as a block.voted to stay in eu but i think you.forgot so ill remind you scotland is paart of the united kingdom I would like to see scotland free of uk and im being genuine I think scotland would flourish but Im not sure about sturgeon A freind of mine ran one of galloways campaigns and apparently george is a very big ladies man he had to beat them off with a stick A free scotland is a good thing but if you get independence from englànd which im certain you will i think youd B foolish to b shackled back up to eu Youd get independance in one breath and loose it in next My view on sturgeon is a bit like the pot calling kettle sooty ass with the idiot we have in westminster I really do wish u well Ill tell ya when my pal told me about george being a ladies man i was stuñned but he.was swamped With ladies Anyway keep safe and get as far away.from that dick boris.as you.can He has blood on his hands God bless you all
@@indiana146 in debt? Do you even know how our devolved Parliament works?? The Scottish Parliament has only recently been given very limited borrowing powers. Nicola has to balance a budget remember.
You are BRITISH!!! British isn't code for English!!! If you sepparate from the UK your standard of living will spiral. You will become an equal to the poor southern Irish or 2nd world Croatia.... think about it !!! Love Canada cira 1995
The logic behind this entire post seems to go "Galloway lost that debate, because I hate him".... Its 6 yrs on and none of the questions on currency have ever been addressed.... More worryingly, you cannot get an indepth answer... The more questions you ask... The more names you get called.... Which inevitably proves GG right... Again!
Newsnight in a nutshell - "The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate." - Noam Chomsky
Well it's all very well quoting Chomsky for the thumbs ups but why not say in what way you feel this particular debate was limited? EDIT: Apart from the obvious: it being limited to the subject of Scottish independence...
DrSpooglemon Very well, programs like this never talk outside of the limits of coercive centralised authorities with monopolies on violence, which is what a government is. Alternatives that threaten the current paradigm, no matter how virtuous they may be, are never discussed. Keeping people chasing their tales by giving their power away to the self serving, power obsessed psychopaths that presume control over others.
Namaste1001 I fail to see the relevance here when he discussion is about whether Scotland should be independent or not. In what way was this debate limited by the Newsnight production team?
Will Scotland have a government who claims to rule by force over the people of that particular piece of land? I'm talking about the bigger picture here, not just this particular topic.
Absolutely loved watching this back tonight in 2021 . The SNP at the time hyping the Scottish Oil revenues . Claiming the potential to be one of the richest nations on earth .Sadly for Sturgeon and Salmond the oil price crashed around 2014 ,referendum aftermath .A scenario that would have left my home nation in a bigger economic crisis than Venezuela . The SNP could`nt run a corner shop .I simply love the fact that George Galloway agrees with me despite his more cultured and intellectual standpoint .And our polar opposite opinions .
Im the same there is so much k disagree with George on. But he hits the nail on the head here. Scotland being independent would be like Ohio trying to be its own independent country.
Really think Scotland is going to lead the way. I can see wales doing it too. Really wish we could take the north of England with us as they are really going to feel the brunt of it after the Barnet formula is reviewed.
Although I am not a yes or SNP voter I like the fact Jim Sillars has an opinion of his own and doesn't follow everything the SNP says. He speaks common sense as well. He voted for Brexit as well even though I also didn't support Brexit either I get that Scotland cannot be completely independent if it rejoins the EU
True its good Sillars is or was (im assuming he dead now) not just spouting the same boring SNP talking points. But the problem is that hes talking mostly fantasy politics. Galloway is rigjt when he says an independent Scotland would be run by the SNP so it be SNP policies Scotland would be dealing with for the first couple of years. And as Corbyn's hammering shows, there is no appatie for a return to 70s style socialism in this country. Labour are basically dead in Scotland.
This man (GG) should be owed respect and honour by all sound-minded people. He understands politics and he is also honest! You don't get this combination nowadays
England will be better off without Westminster not just scotland but I think the working class people of Scotland England wakes & northern ireland will be better off together
Agreed. This is classic divide and conquer politics - taxpayers vs benefits claimants, indigenous vs immigrants, middle vs poor, and now Scotland vs England. And all the while the people who have ransacked the coffers are laughing all the way to the high risk investment bank. The SNP have basically exploited the fact that Labour have taken the Scottish for granted. Destroying the country is the wrong answer, when the left needs to stand united against the establishment.
I agree with Galloway, it's unfortunate and sad but Scotland wouldn't become a revolutionary renouncing of the system, but just a Scottish version of it.
This debate was a triumph of utilitarianism over egoism. George, the Labour-loyal, SNP obsessed unionist and self proclaimed socialist with such a bloated ego who smears any Yes voter as a 'nationalist', calmly demolished by Jim, a for-real socialist who understands that a yes vote DOES NOT= Alex Salmond. Well done Jim!
A report today shows the UK as one of the world fastest growing economies. Whilst Scotland has gone from 'balanced books' to £12 billion deficit in 2 years.
Galloway's futile attempt to come up with a snappy line to attack Alex Salmond, the SNP and by inference Yes Scotland and the proponents of Independence amount to a hill of beans. He lost it when Jim Sillars pointed out he didn't have a vote in the Referendum and that he was the MP for an English constituency. No wonder the rest of his so called party have lost respect for Galloway. If he wants to debate again, can I suggest he tries in public - with Tommy Sheridan.
Imagine climate change was spoken of then, but these men ignore it. Why.? Because it was not the time to bring it to prominence, the world organisations were patiently waiting on the right time.
Galloway can dazzle the Yanks , but it the Uk we are more used to political debates , and can tell a chancer a mile away , and George is that chancer , not so long ago he thought he could walk into Hollyrood , ' they need me ' he said , and the voters rejected him , they knew the last thing the Scottish parliament needed was a self publicist like George , we know he thinks its ok for Palestine to have independence , but not Scotland , and all down to being rejected by the Scots , get back to the Muslims George at least they know your value as a 'rent a gob'
Lets face the facts: . Do you really believe that Scotland will become independent. I mean really!! This is all nothing but a game. If both sides were dead serious then in the last remaining months before the vote, there would be so many thing going on, happening. economically and militarily. Both countries are inter-dependent, both are in the EU, both are doing just fine in comparison. If SNP were dead serious about independence, there wouldn't be so many unanswered questions in their manifesto. I think secretly Alex and Nicola know they will not see independence. They probably are already writing a brief about what to say afterwards. "We did our best, Today is the day Scotland decided to stay, but I want to see a day where my Children and My Children’s children and their grandchildren live free from the claws of Westminster"
Galloway shouldn't even be on this talkin about Independence, when he's an mp in England!! why the BBC inviting an mp from England on to promote the no campaign?? Galloway lost all credibility years ago, he should shut his mouth. Vote yes, not for SNP but for independence, it equals new parties, not the crap of labour/tories/lib dems of old
Stuart, if you are saying food banks are UK wide, how can you possibly say we're Better Together and to stick with the Union. I'm not knocking England and I hope after Independence we can remain friends with our southern cousins, however, its time we governed ourselves and we are more than capable of looking after our own affairs. We just need a little faith, and get rid of the negativity we've all lived with for too long now, English people are lovely, it's their devious Westminster government we want shot of, please Scotland say YES, you know it makes sense, I am so proud to be Scottish and to be part of such a historic event, ALBA GU BRATH.
Eventually I think breaking away will be a financial disaster for Scotland, but on the other hand it is unhealthy for Scotland to live within a system that they despise. I'm sad to say on balance it's time to say goodbye to the Scots and I for one sincerely wish them the best! .. from an Englishman
George's proposal for an independent Scotland without the monarchy, out of NATO and sensibly socialist sounds like a fantastic place to migrate to. I should start practicing my scottish accent =D
The problem with the SNP and independence was/is that they never produced a proper business plan and this is why Galloway tears holes in their arguments. A set local price for oil would guarantee costs for manufacturing and provide a business advantage. Advantage could also be made of renewables and invested in industry focused on technologies that include renewables
George appears to be no more than a stuborn naysayer. Which is a pity, because he is a very skilled speaker and I find him entertaining to listen to. He's too focused on his dislike of the First Minister to realise that the SNP are only a means to an end.
I went to see GG's Just Say Naw talk as a Yes man desperate for the change to Independence. He has thought EVERYTHING through (probably more than even the SNP) and was left a very shaken man.As ever he spoke the truth with no hidden agenda and covered all contingencies with an astute overview. Too much to cover here,please check it out on youtube.
Jim Sillar's dream that the Labour party can return to it's socialist roots IS possible in an independent Scotland, but George Galloway's dream that it could happen in the UK is a fantasy because it would then be un-electable in England .... vote YES!
davet743 What I would be concerned about if I were English is the time table here if Scotland Votes for Independence in September this year it will mostly negotiating with a UK government elected in May next year and it is very likely that that will be a Labour Government dependant on Scottish MPs for its majority this government is unlikely to get the best deal for England
Ironic how Galloway can support independence for a Palestinian state which has less in terms of resources and economic clout but can't support an independent Scotland. Plus it is also interesting how he completely dodges the SNP's planned land reforms. Jim Sillars forgets that the North East of England was once part of Scotland and is as much part of Scottish history as it is of English history. The first Jacobite uprising in 1715 was led by a Northumbrian not a Scot... The Northumbrians tried to replace Elizabeth I with Mary Queen of Scots... fought with King Alexander and King David against the English crown. Edinburgh was once part of Northumberland, and the Scots 'language' comes from old Northumbrian. We share history, culture, and language with Scotland. To claim that Scotland is a nation independent of the North of England (and I am not talking about Liverpool here - I am talking about the true North of England - the earldom of Northumberland (R. Tees to R. Tweed) and Cumbria) is just false.
Both speakers made good points. I have to say though, Galloway’s claim that only a so-called ‘real Labour government’ could get rid of Trident (30:57) and that this should be possible in England as well as in Scotland looks incredibly weak, particularly now in 2024. Labour are shifting even further to the right under Starmer and he certainly has no intention of ditching nuclear weapons. Scotland, however, *does* vote for more progressive governments and there is a greater chance of living in a country without Trident with Scottish independence. It’s simply naive to think that England could do the same just as quickly as Scotland potentially can.
People who say this is not about the SNP are living in a coo-coo land. The day the vote comes back Yes is not going to wait until the next general election to start negotiating with the rest of the U.K to come up with their plan for what an independent Scotland is going to be its going to be Alex Salmond and his team negotiating with the rest of the U.K. for the terms that they want that is written in the White Paper. Esoecially with the fact that they say that Scotland will be independent in 18 months they are not going to wait until 6 months later to start coming to terms of their independence. Everything the SNP wants is going to be what an independence Scotland is going to be in the end especially in line with the fact that the SNP can put the next election on hold until Scotland becomes independent. Just look at history their is not one independent country that when they became independent was ruled by anyone other then the leader of the group that brought about independence in the first place. Look at the Republic of Ireland there leader stayed the leader until he was 91 years old and that could very much be the case with Alex Salmond although he might not live until 91 but then there is always Nicola to take his place. So Scotland good luck with that and don't come back crying to the rest of the U.K. when everything that was warned to you folks would happen happened but since you believed that it was scare-mongering it will just be to late because you can't go back.
Now that Scotland want's independent, England open the Paradise door to the Scotisch. but I want to see after England and queen got their plan, after a while, still England keep those door open for Scotland??
@@RedScotland That he is. I thought I liked him after his testimony to the US senators in 2005, but his almost caustic attitude towards independence and the SNP has made me question his political honesty
@@RedScotland Yep, I wouldn't be surprised if he has a personal vested interest in Scotland remaining in the UK that has nothing to do with the welfare of the ordinary working man
Why do the moderators let the debaters interrupt each other. Galloway interrupts and then goes on and on. He even interrupts the moderators. He argues by dominating and speaking louder and not letting others to get word in edgewise. I have no position on this question, but I find him exasperating.
Please Scotland - vote for independence! An Englishmen like me has had enougb of talking about Scotland. Your a power house of international affairs and can look after your own - let UK, remaining and willing, also so please!
He literally says in this very video that he'd support staying in the EU and that "anyone with a braincell" would, then he campaigned for LEAVING the EU when the time came lol
Sillars is on the ball. Galloway is a joke. He wants freedom for Palestine but not for Scotland. Strange, unless you consider he has a vested interest in Westminster. Read the Wee Blue Book for an objective view on Scotland after Independence.
unity is strength divided we fall, why should we split when country's like the untied states of america can work but we cant Hawaii and Alaska is a prefect example they have different religion and different view but you don't see them protesting that they want Independence from the u.s.a they work together, the fact of the matter is that terror does exist and the u.s and u,k have to have nuclear weapon because we are the protector of the world and somebody got to be, we are expected to be the top economy in Europe, all Alex Salmon wants is to be the first prime minister of Scotland, if you want more proof look at Ireland they are a looming economy about to crash
Firstly, America is a Federal Country, which means that each of its States has basically got full fiscal autonomy, meanwhile in the UK, the power has mostly been kept centralised in London Secondly, at the moment, Eire's economy is stronger than the UK's and its GDP per capita is much higher. Also Eire's debt is no where near as huge as the £1.4 trillion the UK has racked up. No one needs to have Nuclear Weapons, if a war was to break out tomorrow the exchange of WMD's would ravage the earth and with the UK's stockpile based near Scotland's largest city, we would be hit when we could have avoided it by having no nuclear weapons in the first place. Alex Salmond is not the Yes campaign, he is a single man and it wouldn't surprise me if he has ambitions to be Scotland's first PM, but the fact still stands that he would have to win the 2016 election first before he could claim that title. Also saying that is like saying that if you vote No then you must worship David Cameron as a god like figure
bigwullieac do you see how small the U.K. is, and for it to be 6th largest economy in the world with one of the best exchange rate and dont forget the soon to be largest economy in Europe by 2030, so the UK will get better and stronger.
This is Scotland's path; 1. After moving to Independence..Strike an immediate free trade and movement agreement with Rump UK. 2. Put in an immediate application for FFTA membership...3..Say you are going to set up a Scottish Central Bank with borrowing, currency issuing and reserve powers...Scotland can be a fully functioning nation-state within 3-4 years...
Around the 7 min mark, Sillars points out the SNP and Salmond aren't the issue. George Replies "You would say that because you have the same view on him I do" Hmmm, run through that again in my mind. No, still doesn't make sense at all. If they have the same view on Salmond and different views on independence from a strictly logical point of view this would prove Jim's point.
grazia deladda He means that Sillars doesn't want to admit that the SNP will be in charge of an independent Scotland, because he doesn't like the plans that Salmond has in store for the country - e.g. currency union, NATO memebership, etc. Both men are very critical of Salmond's policies so Sillars doesn't want to face up to the fact that the SNP will take charge in the event of a Yes vote.
I watched this a bit fearful of Jim Sillars bein henpecked by Galloway. Need not have worried though, Sillars was brilliant, articulate and down to earth, he totally trounced " gorgeous" George. Roll on independance.
'Anyone with a brain cell would campaign to remain in the EU'- George Galloway. You've changed your tune, George- just 2 short years later you were a prominent Brexiteer!! Jim Sillars is the one who has been consistent on this matter.
Those of you who vote yes will own the long and appalling CRASH that follows the Financial Border imposed by England and Wales. Our industries must go south or pay English direct and indirect taxes as they try to trade with Europe. We will have no control over what the English will do to us because they will do it in an internationally legal manner and internally the NO campaign will re-surface as a movement to re-join the Union. There will be civil unrest in Scotland and it will rival anything we have seen in Ireland. Our Economy will decline as a consequence. Virtually no one will want to come here for tourism.
Independence would mean leaving a FOREIGN Union, not the United Kingdom. The SNP actually do favour union with England and the rest of The U.K.--through the E.U. If they can believe in Union with the rest of the U.K. in that way, why not believe in our own British Union too?
Alex Salmond started the ball rolling... this ball has rolled and rolled getting bigger by the turn and thanks to the .. groups... organisations .. people power... individuals on mass arranging grassroot campaigns all getting behind the positive case for a yes vote up and down the country all outwith Alex Salmonds control or leadership... but always remember it wasn't the last kick of the ball that scored that goal........ cheers to Alex Salmond for the first kick of that ball...
Hi bud, going great, yes vote was 23% when Alex first kicked it, now its hovering around 50/55% according to recent polls, so it's getting much larger, thanks for asking.
GG as usual out thinking the available parameters and predicting the train wreck outcome of Independence.I saw his 'Just Say Naw' talk last night and I agree with everything. I went as a Yes man but came out convinced. Nothing has escaped his thoughts. I saw Jim Sillars floundering and GG stating his case amicably.
I have points of agreement and of disagreement with both Mr Sillars and Mr Galloway but while I feel that I could have a conversation about these with the former, I cannot envisage a CONVERSATION between anyone and the declamatory - I'll interrupt you but you don't interrupt me - George Galloway.
John Porteous Having seen GG 'live' I can attest that he will listen in mute concentration to his adversary and when he has the floor does indeed swat away interruption.
Well this is a first for me!
I am in total agreement with Galloway!
Galloway used to be good at arguing his case. Guess you can't flogg a dead horse. If independence is just about Alex Salmond then surely Unionism is just about David Cameron? Why does Galloway care about Scotland not making war ships for the UK when whenever they are used he complains about the war? Why bring up Thatcher when she couldn't have affected us if we'd been independent?
Well done George. Weren't to harsh on Jim, but you ripped holes in the SNPs plans.
English empire 😂 A lot of Scots Colonial Governors would disagree with that analysis.
Should be British empire. Care to mention a single colonial governor that was scottish and not british?
@@1875-b6n That's like saying care to find a single Rhodesian that was n't a subject a the Queen. Of course, they were all British, Scotland is in Britain.
Huge number of scots in the empire especially controlling India and the far east. Scottish mills profited immensely from indian colonialism. The founders of HSBC were Scots. Founders of Jardine Matheson were Scots too.
Funny how you idiots are so pro colonialism and don’t see a cent from it. You’re probably all poor as dirt.
@@JoeyDavies777 What are you talking about?
Galloway: "I have been out of Scotland for 10 years!"
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Paraphrasing: "George Galloway's a one man band."
Reply from George: "Who else is in your band?" Classic!
LOL....yip,3+million folks in our band.....from all party's all walks of life
I gues your band did not win it you drunken troll. .. 44.7% of the vote is not 3,000,000+. Were you skipping school the day they were doing sums? Or drinking Buckfast?
sillars is a no-bullshit straight-talker that reports the facts in clear, expressive language.
galloway relies on intimidating, glib, abrasive whining; and as usual, he is wrong.
***** well "nonsense on stills" was repeated past the cringe-point. galloway has a vocabulary of buzzwords (glib) and uses the offensively (abrasive) and over and over again (whining).
"barely speak"... sillars *won this debate*.
***** "And on what grounds did Sillars win the debate?"
on a point-by-point basis. he made points that were not rebutted and he rebutted galloway on everything he said (and some things he said 5 times).
"He said he wanted to see a more socialist Labour party running Scotland, as if you can have a socialist country of 5 million people, all the while claiming to cut corporation tax."
northern europe seems to be doing alright.
"Where is the funding for public services going to come from then?"
corporation tax is not the only form of tax.
"That is where you say goodbye to your free university tuition and prescriptions, after all the businesses have moved to England because the Tories are hardly taxing them."
did that happen with france and germany?
"Sillars doesn't have a fucking clue about the economy."
shame galloway never noticed.
Volound
No... Jim Sillars should have been a comic, he's a funny guy and always reminds me of Bernard Manning. I can't help laughing at the nonsense he comes out with. This whole Scottish devolution thing is just like getting all the working class loudmouths and entertaining the troops. It's pretty awful stuff for any serious politician tho.
For a Non-Scottish, or even from a non-big Islander, I see Mr. Galloway getting away with a lot more realistic points against "nonsense on stills".
I think you seem to think that the winner of this debate is the one who has the best vocabulary...
jim sillars is a true Scottish legend, more confident than alex salmond in his stance on independence. watch share and vote yes for independence in Scotland on sept 18th 2014.
Galloway is a complete nutter but I can’t help enjoying his debate appearances. It’s also a pity (for Scots who want independence) that the SNP no longer have a decent, respectable leader like Jim Sillars.
India should support an independent Scotland. The empire has been on life support, time to pull the plug.Yes to an independant Scotland. Alba gu bràth.
*"WHEN* we vote Yes", what astounding arrogance in the face of polls that consistently show support for Yes as significantly lower than No...
You were saying?
TheOppl What’s your point? Were the polls *not* consistently showing a majority for No back then? And were said polls not proven correct? Whatever may or may not happen if there was a second referendum in the future doesn’t invalidate what I said back then.
@@CtrlOptDel Totally agree. Independence supporters and campaigners too often speak in a way that somehow independence is guaranteed. Certainly not a certainty and can't be very attractive to undecided voters or those who oppose Scottish independence.
Jim Sellars is right, in democracy the majority wins G Galloway has to accept it the same way like he told us to accept the result of brexit
Galloway assessment is correct, the Scottish people are not being offered independence, no sensible rational voter could vote for the form of independence being offered.
It staggers me how the SNP are taking Scotland into a referendum without even saying what currency it would use! They've been wrong about everything so far. Currency Union and EU membership.
Hilarious watching this back now. Most of Sillars argument have proved to be rubbish.
@@RedScotland so what you are saying is if people voted no they are giving up their “Scottishness”, what a ridiculous statement. My family goes back hundred of years in this country but because I voted guess I’m not Scottish
@@RedScotland you are clearly delusional, ‘anti Scottish’ policies yes all them I forgot. I see you a fan of communism would you sent me to a death camp due to the fact I do not follow in line with your thinking, similarly to what happened in these communist countries throughout the world. You are the traitor betraying your own people because they hold a different view point.
@@RedScotland that would be the same Burns who wanted to work in a slave plantation in Jamaica? His views on women were the same as Khomenie's.
I disagree Burns was a poet and spoke of his love for women. I am proud to be brought up on his work, as are Scots around the world
This is a fantastic debate, I'm voting no, but still enjoyed seeing both Mr Sillars and Mr Galloway having a real debate on the issue.
@@RedScotland the numbers showed an independent Scotland wouldn't have been able to afford a furlough scheme during Covid, we would have been decimated. I'm open to changing my mind, and I don't like how things have gone with the EU, but I'm not going to vote Yes out of frustration just to open up a different frustration.
That was quite a civilised debate compared to many others that I previously saw.
if scotland is still tied too the bank of england how is scotland independent lol
So the European countries are not independent because they are in a currency union? UK needs a currency union because we can walk away without the debt if the UK do not share the asset of the Bank of England - works for Scotland not sure it will work so well for the rest. The drop in value of Sterling without Scotland would hurt the financial markets there is no way that would happen. It is pure and simple a campaign ploy.
@@Anya2606
Yes
I live in Scotland and we are not independent, we don't want it don't trust sturgeon or anyone to be honest
@@campbell3711 21 poles in a row suggest the majority in Scotland do want independence. Time will tell... Agreed though. Something very fishy about the whole Salmond inquiry and can't say I have much face in the Scottish government.
Sillars got totally gubbed by Galloway. Its a shame, as Sillars used to be a figure to follow, but he has utterly lost the way politically. Galloway, for all his personal flaws, speaks sensibly and reasonably and represents the labour and trade union movement.
2014 and George says anyone with a brain cell will vote to stay in the EU in any referendum. 2016 he campaigns to leave. What changed ?
The SNP are seriously downplaying how difficult it would be to separate from the UK. Westminster has even said publicly that a yes result won't guarantee independence. This is because there would be allot to negotiate with independence depending on these negotiations being successful. It would be the interests of 5 million Scots vs the interests of 60 million UK citizens. The currency question is one such issue that's being overlooked/downplayed by the SNP now but it will blow up into a massive row in a post yes era.
I see allot of foreigners (Russians/Eastern Europeans etc) commenting here. They only support the Scottish nationalists because they think it will help them achieve their dream of being important again. Rather than build their own countries up, they think that they can achieve their goals by others falling. They care about as much for the Scots as Cromwell did.
If you're going to vote to leave the UK then do it because you REALLY believe you'll be better off. Forget all the pompous showboating from politicians, learn the economical questions and make your decision.
Mr Sillars, you are absolutely right in saying that independence is not just about the SNP, it's about Scotland. However, who launched this White Paper? SNP. Who wrote it? Salmond and Sturgeon. The White Paper provides the most definitive clue as to what the SNP would like an independent Scotland to look like, therefore Scottish voters are effectively voting on what is blatantly an SNP vision. Even then, after all the negotiations are done and dusted, and depending on EU and Nato response, an independent Scotland could take a shape and form which is extremely different to what was originally envisaged. The uncertainty is too great moving forward.
Who's watching this is 2019?
Iam I like Galloway as an Englishman he talks more sense than most politicians
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George here "38:00" lying through his teeth! to Scotland, who I'll remind you voted 62% to remain in the EU.
The Shill has absolutely zero credibility in Scotland.
@@THEPINKFLOYDIANS just my oppinion
@@THEPINKFLOYDIANS ill also remind you sturgeon has got scotland deep in debt
Yes scotland as a block.voted to stay in eu but i think you.forgot so ill remind you scotland is paart of the united kingdom
I would like to see scotland free of uk and im being genuine
I think scotland would flourish but
Im not sure about sturgeon
A freind of mine ran one of galloways campaigns and apparently george is a very big ladies man he had to beat them off with a stick
A free scotland is a good thing but if you get independence from englànd which im certain you will i think youd
B foolish to b shackled back up to eu
Youd get independance in one breath and loose it in next
My view on sturgeon is a bit like the pot calling kettle sooty ass with the idiot we have in westminster
I really do wish u well
Ill tell ya when my pal told me about george being a ladies man i was stuñned but he.was swamped
With ladies
Anyway keep safe and get as far away.from that dick boris.as you.can
He has blood on his hands
God bless you all
@@indiana146 in debt? Do you even know how our devolved Parliament works?? The Scottish Parliament has only recently been given very limited borrowing powers. Nicola has to balance a budget remember.
You are BRITISH!!! British isn't code for English!!! If you sepparate from the UK your standard of living will spiral. You will become an equal to the poor southern Irish or 2nd world Croatia.... think about it !!!
Love Canada cira 1995
The logic behind this entire post seems to go "Galloway lost that debate, because I hate him".... Its 6 yrs on and none of the questions on currency have ever been addressed.... More worryingly, you cannot get an indepth answer... The more questions you ask... The more names you get called.... Which inevitably proves GG right... Again!
I really hated my big brother...but he stopped me from getting bullied at high school.
Good luck Scotland!
George Galloway wiped the floor with him. “32:00 to 32:45 “ Jim’s remark spoke volumes about the SNP perspective, typical. Good on you George.
38:00 lying cant here tho
Other way round
Newsnight in a nutshell - "The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate." - Noam Chomsky
Well it's all very well quoting Chomsky for the thumbs ups but why not say in what way you feel this particular debate was limited?
EDIT: Apart from the obvious: it being limited to the subject of Scottish independence...
DrSpooglemon
Very well, programs like this never talk outside of the limits of coercive centralised authorities with monopolies on violence, which is what a government is. Alternatives that threaten the current paradigm, no matter how virtuous they may be, are never discussed. Keeping people chasing their tales by giving their power away to the self serving, power obsessed psychopaths that presume control over others.
Namaste1001
I fail to see the relevance here when he discussion is about whether Scotland should be independent or not. In what way was this debate limited by the Newsnight production team?
Will Scotland have a government who claims to rule by force over the people of that particular piece of land? I'm talking about the bigger picture here, not just this particular topic.
Namaste1001 You a Libertarian?
Scotland will not be independant if its still being ruled by the EU!!!
If we are in the EU , we will be in as Scotland , we do the negotiating as Scotland .
Like the current UK does!!!! , negotiations in the EU mean they say jump and you reply how high!
ian mcdowell The Uk Government handed over our fishing waters to the Spanish fleet , Never in a million years would Scotland have did this .
The UK government had to hand it over , to show what good obedient Europeans we are!
Do not worry , we will sort it .
Venezuela put all its eggs in oil basket now look at it sillars is a pillock
Same with Romania
Read his book he doesn’t
george looking a wee bit like an evil magician
yeah I don't know if it was the introduction camera angle or he's wearing contacts but I was waiting to see smoke rising 😈
The trouble with Jim Sillars is that he believes its own bullshit
Absolutely loved watching this back tonight in 2021 . The SNP at the time hyping the Scottish Oil revenues . Claiming the potential to be one of the richest nations on earth .Sadly for Sturgeon and Salmond the oil price crashed around 2014 ,referendum aftermath .A scenario that would have left my home nation in a bigger economic crisis than Venezuela . The SNP could`nt run a corner shop .I simply love the fact that George Galloway agrees with me despite his more cultured and intellectual standpoint .And our polar opposite opinions .
Im the same there is so much k disagree with George on. But he hits the nail on the head here. Scotland being independent would be like Ohio trying to be its own independent country.
Jim Sillars 1 - 0 George Galloway
I like them both but the yes vote is the only way to go!!
Hopefully Wales can have independence too.
Really think Scotland is going to lead the way. I can see wales doing it too.
Really wish we could take the north of England with us as they are really going to feel the brunt of it after the Barnet formula is reviewed.
Stephen Wilson It was a joke, what next county independence.
Stephen Wilson Stephen I think you'll find the final result was George 1 Jim 0
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Although I am not a yes or SNP voter I like the fact Jim Sillars has an opinion of his own and doesn't follow everything the SNP says. He speaks common sense as well. He voted for Brexit as well even though I also didn't support Brexit either I get that Scotland cannot be completely independent if it rejoins the EU
True its good Sillars is or was (im assuming he dead now) not just spouting the same boring SNP talking points. But the problem is that hes talking mostly fantasy politics. Galloway is rigjt when he says an independent Scotland would be run by the SNP so it be SNP policies Scotland would be dealing with for the first couple of years.
And as Corbyn's hammering shows, there is no appatie for a return to 70s style socialism in this country. Labour are basically dead in Scotland.
This man (GG) should be owed respect and honour by all sound-minded people. He understands politics and he is also honest! You don't get this combination nowadays
Tragic character, wasted potential due to self interest
That's how Scots debate! :)
32:00, 33:12 and 44:31 ah, the bants 😃
We need to see more of this in England
1 scot and 1 brit
England will be better off without Westminster not just scotland but I think the working class people of Scotland England wakes & northern ireland will be better off together
Agreed. This is classic divide and conquer politics - taxpayers vs benefits claimants, indigenous vs immigrants, middle vs poor, and now Scotland vs England. And all the while the people who have ransacked the coffers are laughing all the way to the high risk investment bank. The SNP have basically exploited the fact that Labour have taken the Scottish for granted. Destroying the country is the wrong answer, when the left needs to stand united against the establishment.
38:19 "Curb your Enthusiasm theme starts playing"
I agree with Galloway, it's unfortunate and sad but Scotland wouldn't become a revolutionary renouncing of the system, but just a Scottish version of it.
This debate was a triumph of utilitarianism over egoism. George, the Labour-loyal, SNP obsessed unionist and self proclaimed socialist with such a bloated ego who smears any Yes voter as a 'nationalist', calmly demolished by Jim, a for-real socialist who understands that a yes vote DOES NOT= Alex Salmond. Well done Jim!
The fact that Galloway was expelled from Labour Party is his credit.
never thought i would hear galloway speak so much sense
Great George Galowy 1for George ... 0 for jim
A report today shows the UK as one of the world fastest growing economies. Whilst Scotland has gone from 'balanced books' to £12 billion deficit in 2 years.
Galloway's futile attempt to come up with a snappy line to attack Alex Salmond, the SNP and by inference Yes Scotland and the proponents of Independence amount to a hill of beans. He lost it when Jim Sillars pointed out he didn't have a vote in the Referendum and that he was the MP for an English constituency. No wonder the rest of his so called party have lost respect for Galloway. If he wants to debate again, can I suggest he tries in public - with Tommy Sheridan.
Typical bigotted view you must be supporting the SNP which are now shrinking. Galloway clearly elaborates on what we have in common
George Galloway slammed him.
I wanna see Galloway debate Nicola Sturgeon
Well by Galloway's logic, it would be a non event, as he has lost all his braincells!!! Lol
Imagine climate change was spoken of then, but these men ignore it. Why.?
Because it was not the time to bring it to prominence, the world organisations were patiently waiting on the right time.
Jim was owned and Scottish independence looks gloomy
Galloway can dazzle the Yanks , but it the Uk we are more used to political debates , and can tell a chancer a mile away , and George is that chancer , not so long ago he thought he could walk into Hollyrood , ' they need me ' he said , and the voters rejected him , they knew the last thing the Scottish parliament needed was a self publicist like George , we know he thinks its ok for Palestine to have independence , but not Scotland , and all down to being rejected by the Scots , get back to the Muslims George at least they know your value as a 'rent a gob'
He just hates us all and perhaps should shuffle off to Russia?
Lets face the facts: . Do you really believe that Scotland will become independent. I mean really!! This is all nothing but a game. If both sides were dead serious then in the last remaining months before the vote, there would be so many thing going on, happening. economically and militarily.
Both countries are inter-dependent, both are in the EU, both are doing just fine in comparison.
If SNP were dead serious about independence, there wouldn't be so many unanswered questions in their manifesto. I think secretly Alex and Nicola know they will not see independence. They probably are already writing a brief about what to say afterwards.
"We did our best, Today is the day Scotland decided to stay, but I want to see a day where my Children and My Children’s children and their grandchildren live free from the claws of Westminster"
Long Live Scotland,independent from fucking London
That comment didn't age well 😂
Galloway shouldn't even be on this talkin about Independence, when he's an mp in England!! why the BBC inviting an mp from England on to promote the no campaign?? Galloway lost all credibility years ago, he should shut his mouth.
Vote yes, not for SNP but for independence, it equals new parties, not the crap of labour/tories/lib dems of old
Stuart, if you are saying food banks are UK wide, how can you possibly say we're Better Together and to stick with the Union.
I'm not knocking England and I hope after Independence we can remain friends with our southern cousins, however, its time we governed ourselves and we are more than capable of looking after our own affairs.
We just need a little faith, and get rid of the negativity we've all lived with for too long now, English people are lovely, it's their devious Westminster government we want shot of, please Scotland say YES, you know it makes sense, I am so proud to be Scottish and to be part of such a historic event, ALBA GU BRATH.
George Galloway is an absolute fantasist - as his 'The Mother of all Talk Shows' shows!
The panel look like they’re conducting a job interview
I support #Nonsenseonstilts
Eventually I think breaking away will be a financial disaster for Scotland, but on the other hand it is unhealthy for Scotland to live within a system that they despise.
I'm sad to say on balance it's time to say goodbye to the Scots and I for one sincerely wish them the best! .. from an Englishman
George's proposal for an independent Scotland without the monarchy, out of NATO and sensibly socialist sounds like a fantastic place to migrate to. I should start practicing my scottish accent =D
Sillars should be utilized as Malcom Muggeridge was by Pink Floyd: cut up his words and have a band play them randomly during a rock show.
Voting yes, everyone I know is voting yes. Can't wait till we are independent! :)
Didn't quite work out for you dear.
Never mind
@@peat6154 it’s happening
@@ciaranmarsh255really lol 😅😅
@@davidpaterson1435 yes.
I respect both these guys but I think Galloway could have at least read Sillars' book before the debate...
Essential reading amazing work
The problem with the SNP and independence was/is that they never produced a proper business plan and this is why Galloway tears holes in their arguments. A set local price for oil would guarantee costs for manufacturing and provide a business advantage. Advantage could also be made of renewables and invested in industry focused on technologies that include renewables
4:45 "the clue being in the name" - legend! Here after his unequivocal support for Palestinian freedom
Jim supports this too
George appears to be no more than a stuborn naysayer. Which is a pity, because he is a very skilled speaker and I find him entertaining to listen to. He's too focused on his dislike of the First Minister to realise that the SNP are only a means to an end.
I went to see GG's Just Say Naw talk as a Yes man desperate for the change to Independence. He has thought EVERYTHING through (probably more than even the SNP) and was left a very shaken man.As ever he spoke the truth with no hidden agenda and covered all contingencies with an astute overview. Too much to cover here,please check it out on youtube.
Jim Sillar's dream that the Labour party can return to it's socialist roots IS possible in an independent Scotland, but George Galloway's dream that it could happen in the UK is a fantasy because it would then be un-electable in England .... vote YES!
Stuart Clark
Good question. Certainly pre Blair.
Scotland if you want to leave, leave, get the borders up, have your own Military Etc do your thing. Sick of this old enemy shit.
davet743 What I would be concerned about if I were English is the time table here if Scotland Votes for Independence in September this year it will mostly negotiating with a UK government elected in May next year and it is very likely that that will be a Labour Government dependant on Scottish MPs for its majority this government is unlikely to get the best deal for England
Nice to be able to comment on this video. Galloway's Naw videos don't allow comment! Wonder why.
Even in 2021 this was great viewing (blame the pandemic...🙄)
Ironic how Galloway can support independence for a Palestinian state which has less in terms of resources and economic clout but can't support an independent Scotland. Plus it is also interesting how he completely dodges the SNP's planned land reforms.
Jim Sillars forgets that the North East of England was once part of Scotland and is as much part of Scottish history as it is of English history. The first Jacobite uprising in 1715 was led by a Northumbrian not a Scot... The Northumbrians tried to replace Elizabeth I with Mary Queen of Scots... fought with King Alexander and King David against the English crown. Edinburgh was once part of Northumberland, and the Scots 'language' comes from old Northumbrian. We share history, culture, and language with Scotland. To claim that Scotland is a nation independent of the North of England (and I am not talking about Liverpool here - I am talking about the true North of England - the earldom of Northumberland (R. Tees to R. Tweed) and Cumbria) is just false.
Both speakers made good points. I have to say though, Galloway’s claim that only a so-called ‘real Labour government’ could get rid of Trident (30:57) and that this should be possible in England as well as in Scotland looks incredibly weak, particularly now in 2024. Labour are shifting even further to the right under Starmer and he certainly has no intention of ditching nuclear weapons. Scotland, however, *does* vote for more progressive governments and there is a greater chance of living in a country without Trident with Scottish independence. It’s simply naive to think that England could do the same just as quickly as Scotland potentially can.
People who say this is not about the SNP are living in a coo-coo land. The day the vote comes back Yes is not going to wait until the next general election to start negotiating with the rest of the U.K to come up with their plan for what an independent Scotland is going to be its going to be Alex Salmond and his team negotiating with the rest of the U.K. for the terms that they want that is written in the White Paper. Esoecially with the fact that they say that Scotland will be independent in 18 months they are not going to wait until 6 months later to start coming to terms of their independence. Everything the SNP wants is going to be what an independence Scotland is going to be in the end especially in line with the fact that the SNP can put the next election on hold until Scotland becomes independent. Just look at history their is not one independent country that when they became independent was ruled by anyone other then the leader of the group that brought about independence in the first place. Look at the Republic of Ireland there leader stayed the leader until he was 91 years old and that could very much be the case with Alex Salmond although he might not live until 91 but then there is always Nicola to take his place. So Scotland good luck with that and don't come back crying to the rest of the U.K. when everything that was warned to you folks would happen happened but since you believed that it was scare-mongering it will just be to late because you can't go back.
Now that Scotland want's independent, England open the Paradise door to the Scotisch. but I want to see after England and queen got their plan, after a while, still England keep those door open for Scotland??
A pound to the first person that counts how many times Galloway says "Nonsense on stilts" throughout!
@@RedScotland That he is. I thought I liked him after his testimony to the US senators in 2005, but his almost caustic attitude towards independence and the SNP has made me question his political honesty
@@RedScotland Yep, I wouldn't be surprised if he has a personal vested interest in Scotland remaining in the UK that has nothing to do with the welfare of the ordinary working man
Why do the moderators let the debaters interrupt each other. Galloway interrupts and then goes on and on. He even interrupts the moderators. He argues by dominating and speaking louder and not letting others to get word in edgewise. I have no position on this question, but I find him exasperating.
Galloway is basically a Middle Eastern politician, not a British politician. All he cares about are basically Arab concerns.
Please Scotland - vote for independence! An Englishmen like me has had enougb of talking about Scotland. Your a power house of international affairs and can look after your own - let UK, remaining and willing, also so please!
Lovely sentiment, I look at the ROI and all i see now is Ireland kissing German butts. Unless you have the financial means, well good luck.
I would rather gamble and go with an independent Scotland rather than the government that has put the uk in so much debt.
I canny help but like George although his constituency is a breeding ground for anti integration
GG is the most honest politician in England.
He literally says in this very video that he'd support staying in the EU and that "anyone with a braincell" would, then he campaigned for LEAVING the EU when the time came lol
Your name explains why you think that.
#nonsenseonstilts
Sillars is on the ball. Galloway is a joke. He wants freedom for Palestine but not for Scotland. Strange, unless you consider he has a vested interest in Westminster. Read the Wee Blue Book for an objective view on Scotland after Independence.
unity is strength divided we fall, why should we split when country's like the untied states of america can work but we cant Hawaii and Alaska is a prefect example they have different religion and different view but you don't see them protesting that they want Independence from the u.s.a they work together, the fact of the matter is that terror does exist and the u.s and u,k have to have nuclear weapon because we are the protector of the world and somebody got to be, we are expected to be the top economy in Europe, all Alex Salmon wants is to be the first prime minister of Scotland, if you want more proof look at Ireland they are a looming economy about to crash
Firstly, America is a Federal Country, which means that each of its States has basically got full fiscal autonomy, meanwhile in the UK, the power has mostly been kept centralised in London
Secondly, at the moment, Eire's economy is stronger than the UK's and its GDP per capita is much higher. Also Eire's debt is no where near as huge as the £1.4 trillion the UK has racked up.
No one needs to have Nuclear Weapons, if a war was to break out tomorrow the exchange of WMD's would ravage the earth and with the UK's stockpile based near Scotland's largest city, we would be hit when we could have avoided it by having no nuclear weapons in the first place.
Alex Salmond is not the Yes campaign, he is a single man and it wouldn't surprise me if he has ambitions to be Scotland's first PM, but the fact still stands that he would have to win the 2016 election first before he could claim that title. Also saying that is like saying that if you vote No then you must worship David Cameron as a god like figure
bigwullieac do you see how small the U.K. is, and for it to be 6th largest economy in the world with one of the best exchange rate and dont forget the soon to be largest economy in Europe by 2030, so the UK will get better and stronger.
George is nothing more than an opportunist who looks for any position that grabs headlines. Principle is defunct in this man... only money.
OK, Scotland will get its independence. Next, Wales and Northern Ireland.
How did that work out?
This is Scotland's path; 1. After moving to Independence..Strike an immediate free trade and movement agreement with Rump UK. 2. Put in an immediate application for FFTA membership...3..Say you are going to set up a Scottish Central Bank with borrowing, currency issuing and reserve powers...Scotland can be a fully functioning nation-state within 3-4 years...
Lol how's that coming along!
Around the 7 min mark, Sillars points out the SNP and Salmond aren't the issue. George Replies "You would say that because you have the same view on him I do" Hmmm, run through that again in my mind. No, still doesn't make sense at all. If they have the same view on Salmond and different views on independence from a strictly logical point of view this would prove Jim's point.
grazia deladda He means that Sillars doesn't want to admit that the SNP will be in charge of an independent Scotland, because he doesn't like the plans that Salmond has in store for the country - e.g. currency union, NATO memebership, etc. Both men are very critical of Salmond's policies so Sillars doesn't want to face up to the fact that the SNP will take charge in the event of a Yes vote.
Gorgeous Irrelevant Galloway makes a great argument for Independence... Thanks GEO
I watched this a bit fearful of Jim Sillars bein henpecked by Galloway. Need not have worried though, Sillars was brilliant, articulate and down to earth, he totally trounced " gorgeous" George. Roll on independance.
'Anyone with a brain cell would campaign to remain in the EU'- George Galloway. You've changed your tune, George- just 2 short years later you were a prominent Brexiteer!! Jim Sillars is the one who has been consistent on this matter.
Loss of brain cells is a terrible thing
Those of you who vote yes will own the long and appalling CRASH that follows the Financial Border imposed by England and Wales. Our industries must go south or pay English direct and indirect taxes as they try to trade with Europe. We will have no control over what the English will do to us because they will do it in an internationally legal manner and internally the NO campaign will re-surface as a movement to re-join the Union. There will be civil unrest in Scotland and it will rival anything we have seen in Ireland. Our Economy will decline as a consequence. Virtually no one will want to come here for tourism.
Galloway anytime of the day!
Jim Sillars for Scotland's first ever independent first minister!!!!!!!
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Independence would mean leaving a FOREIGN Union, not the United Kingdom.
The SNP actually do favour union with England and the rest of The U.K.--through the E.U.
If they can believe in Union with the rest of the U.K. in that way, why not believe in our own British Union too?
15 minutes is enough for me.
Alex Salmond started the ball rolling... this ball has rolled and rolled getting bigger by the turn and thanks to the .. groups... organisations .. people power... individuals on mass arranging grassroot campaigns all getting behind the positive case for a yes vote up and down the country all outwith Alex Salmonds control or leadership... but always remember it wasn't the last kick of the ball that scored that goal........ cheers to Alex Salmond for the first kick of that ball...
How that ball rolling?
Hi bud, going great, yes vote was 23% when Alex first kicked it, now its hovering around 50/55% according to recent polls, so it's getting much larger, thanks for asking.
GG as usual out thinking the available parameters and predicting the train wreck outcome of Independence.I saw his 'Just Say Naw' talk last night and I agree with everything. I went as a Yes man but came out convinced. Nothing has escaped his thoughts. I saw Jim Sillars floundering and GG stating his case amicably.
I have points of agreement and of disagreement with both Mr Sillars and Mr Galloway but while I feel that I could have a conversation about these with the former, I cannot envisage a CONVERSATION between anyone and the declamatory - I'll interrupt you but you don't interrupt me - George Galloway.
John Porteous Having seen GG 'live' I can attest that he will listen in mute concentration to his adversary and when he has the floor does indeed swat away interruption.
I would vote for George Galloway as our first Prime Minister...but I'm hoping it won't come to that.