Suicide Squad Spoilers Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ต.ค. 2024
- It's another all star team-up, coming in hot for the 'Suicide Squad' SPOILER filled review from Collider Video. DC FIlm's newest addition to their Expanded Cinematic Universe will be discussed in depth by John Campea, Jon Schnepp, Mark Ellis, Dennis Tzeng and Perri Nemiroff. For those who find themselves here without having seen 'Suicide Squad,' turn back now! For there be spoilers ahead.
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I'm getting annoyed that DC keeps going, "Just wait until you see the director's cut!"
It seem they doing this to get more money once ppl buys the blu ray to see what was left out.
mrcooldeadly85 True...I'll download it for free at least...heh
"movie DLC" that's how it started with video games
From what Ayer said, there won't be a director's cut. We'll probably just get the deleted scenes on the blu-ray.
just go see the movie...its no way as bad as people say. The movie was pretty damn good.
I thought it was okay. I completely agree with the statement that I'd love to see this team on a different adventure
With Deathstroke as main villain
yes please
Yes I'd definitely love a sequel
+Entertainment Glutton everyone except Jesse Eisenberg
I saw it yesterday and for the entire two acts i was having a lot fun with the movie and i was loving it. The Joker and Harley interactions are perhaps my favorite scenes along with the Will Smith''s Deadshot performance..... and then that damn 3rd act came and lowest down the movie for me,the only saving grace was that pretty good bar scene with El Diablo backstory. So the movie is in between a 6.5 to 7.0 out 10 it could have been a 9 out 10 but that 3rd was pretty dull.
Really happy to see Campea doing more of these reviews with the crew
:)
Hey man, we need you too :) Love Suicide Squad. Seeing it again later.
wow I miss campea
+John Campea Thanks John Collider Squad.
+John Campea why aren't you in the live show anymore?
+John Campea You're the only reason I watched it
yeah it was good to see the camp back up here on what he started.....now let's get his sub's out of the 50,000's
yeah it was good to see the camp back up here on what he started.....now let's get his sub's out of the 50,000's
That Batman/Deadshot scene I thought was a TERRIBLE scene. Batman decides to attack a parent and his child as they're heading home through a dark alley? Sound familiar, Bruce?
Makes sense tbh, he would be vulnerable around his daughter
Well, he wasn't there to rob or kill him haha just to take him in. Big difference. If anything it was a smart play because Bats knew the situation would likely not escalate due to his child being there. And he was right.
I agree. Of all the moments and places he could catch this guy he decides to do it when hes walking with his daughter??
+Manny Garcia Well that's an easy way to catch him
Using loved ones against your enemies is still a very shady thing to do. Then again, this Batman seems to be more morally ambiguous than previous incarnations.
Way to much sound track and not enough score in the movie
+Jack Bool lmao
I agree.
I think it gave the movie its own flavor.
+FN-1701AgentGodzillaRangerPrime the crow also had a soundtrack. guardians of the galaxy is not exclusive for having songs in the movie
Exactly! Felt like they just put Spotify on random in the background!
I just got home from the theater.... It really wasn't a good movie. I was very bored.
Yeah I just wasn't very invested and I can't figure out why :/
Couldn't agree more. My whole theater wasn't into it
+R co almost every scene just bored me. When my wife and I walked out, we both had the same feeling. The entire theater was bored. No one was into it. Large groups of people were saying how dissatisfied they felt.
+dantheman "where u got ur film degree?" I got mine at UCLA. Where u got ur's?
must be a theater full of non comic fans, cus my theater was lit.
Perri appreciation thread starts here!!!
Absolutely. Perri can express her thoughts and make such eloquent points in such a great way! I could listen to her all day. An asset to the Collider team. In my opinion.
Love Perri.. but it's Mark Ellis all day for me. and as a dude that's hard to say. lol
Perri's great! I thought she was a little nerdy at first, but she's really awesome.
Perri was my favorite she conveyed her opinion eloquently. *takes notes*
+MrAlcazar What's wrong with being a nerd?
I don't regret that I paid to see it, but I'm glad I didn't pay extra for 3D or popcorn. Wasn't really impressed with the Joker. Sometimes he was truly frightening, but sometimes he was just silly. The Diablo arc was the best part of the movie.
uh the Joker is supposed to be exactly what you described
The810kid When I say silly I mean that it was ridiculous and unbelievable not funny or amusing. I understand that Leto was trying to make Joker seem more unstable and dangerous, but whenever he tried funny it just took me out of the performance. To me it was a performance I would expect more from someone playing Two-Face.
so let me get this straight you didn't like the joker because sometimes he was frightening but sometimes he was silly, are you serious or kidding or drunk?
James Haack When I say "silly" I mean that it was so ridiculous that it completely took me out of the performance. It was like watching somebody deliberately trying to be fired. I understand that he was trying to switch randomly from scary to funny to seem more menacing, but I don't feel that he pulled it off.
+Cole Real Suicide Squad had hardly any CGI.
John needs to come back. They all have such great chemistry together
+MrOnomatopoiea agreed, if I want Schmoes I'll watch their channel and Dennis just bores the hell out of me
Yeah, he's missed on the show as a regular.
critics are wrong! great movie!
Why? Beacuse they don't agree with you?
***** apparently they don't agree with most of the public that actually did like it so I'm fine they don't agree!
There are critics that liked the movie and DC fans that hated it you know.
It's all subjective, dude. Everyone has different opinions. Your opinion isn't unanimous.
great is a stretch
I would have preferred a mission with more variety. I started getting pretty bored with watching them walk around, run into some bad guys, take them out, and walk around some more. It could have been a much smaller threat too. If the city hadn't basically been abandoned, it would have been interesting to see these characters trying to blend in while working on this covert operation.
What really got to me, was how pointless the Squad were. I mean, they did nothing that another squad of Navy SEALs couldn't do. And the pacing felt jerky for me. There seemed to be points were scenes were cut. The first action scene is too long. I am sorry if you disagree, but it dragged on so much, then Deadshot going all Captain America, standing on a car and kicking ass felt out of place. The Metahumans storyline hook thing was pointless. If they are supposed to be metas, taking on meta threats, why were they saving Amanda's stupid ass?
But the casting was perfect, and El Diablo was amazing. but the script was obviously undercooked. If Warner Bros continues this trend of shit theatrical releases and releasing the movie with additional scenes which actually explained, I am going to be really pissed off.
Your second sentence makes no sense at all. Did you even watch the movie?
True about the usefulness of the Squad.
The trained soldiers could have gone with Dieblo and it would have been the same out come?
Palm Trees Think about the movie, Diablo wasn't using his powers, so you can't count him, everyone else was fighting with guns or weapons. A SEAL team, could've done the same thing just as effectively. If they had more people with powers, then you are right, it would make little sense, but Harley was shooting and swinging her bat, Croc was swinging his fists. Boomerang was using his boomerangs as daggers, Deadshot was hooting people... Another SEAL team or two, would've been just as, if not more effective.
Sarah Siddiqui Depends how they treated him, but probably. I mean his need for family helped him push past the dancing zumba instructor, I mean Enchantress needing to pee, I mean the 'main villain', but same script, probably would've worked.
Bullets and a flame thrower. Harley took two out of the 'things' in a confined space with a baseball bat. A woman with no combat training (as far as we know) with a wooden bat and no protective clothing/armor, in a confined space.
The only part that seemed to need someone special was the fight with Enchantress' brother.
I couldn't agree with Perry more. She has the exact same opinions as mine for this movie. I am a hardcore DC fan that has watched the animated series movies and read the comics. But the harley joker relationship was a flat. Even Bruce Timm was able to capture their relationship in the most profound and artistic way in one episode of batman the animated series. One of the biggest romances in all DC and it's first debut in film history was shoe horned in with a few flashes of harleen bringing joker a stuffed kitten and getting strapped to a table?! No context no back story no Stockholm syndrome no joker sob story no harley slowly losing her mind and Harley's epic reveal was her dancing at a club? Even if they do give us more back story later they shouldn't have left us with so little in the debut of these characters. It leaves us with characters that have no depth and we just have to accept that they are crazy. Editing was weird and comedic timing was off. The music did get a little repetitive and it was in almost every scene for the first act of the film which took me out of the movie. Harley getting all sentimental and having a heart for diablo and the squad was out of character and wasn't really believable for me. The story was kinda weak and the villain was more forgettable than any other superhero villain. It was another doomsday scenario where the flash batman wonder woman didn't do anything to stop it. Suicide Squad isn't about saving the world from destruction but just corrupt government black ops missions. They could've done a lot more universe building if they made the villain someone like league of assassin's or hive or something. Plot needed to be deeper, characters needed more witty banter and or bonding, better editing, less musical cuts and let the music flow more naturally with the movie instead of the music taking the audience out of the movie. A movie that did this skillfully is Guardians of the Galaxy which I hate to admit. Overall it did have fun moments and the cast performed great. I have other issues with this movie but it would take to long to write it all out. 6/10 in my opinion. Very disappointed :'(
Bruce Timm created there relationship.
Whatchu talking bout? I'm beautiful! best line in the movie
That line was god awful...it honestly felt like KC didn't originally have any "funny" lines, but they just crammed them in at the last minute thinking it would pay off.
It was. Our whole cinema was laughing at that.
@mack dude your on an island he was hilarious.
In my theater, the entire crowd gave a laugh. The cringe type of laugh.
+Mutantgamer The B.E.T. line was much worse. I hated his token comic relief lines.
I feel like the trailers were dishonest. I got the impression that enchantress was part of the squad and the joker was the main villain
not really cause in the trailers you never saw enchantress with the team in the trailer
Yeah they tricked us , fucking WB .
Yeah also the joker was there to be introduced to the audience daying this is the universe joker and so far i like Jared Joker but i never expected him to be the villain
Then you weren't paying attention. Clearly the adversary was magical. The Joker was exactly what he was supposed to be: A wild card with his own motivations that spreads chaos.
dishonest trailer is the one for Dead Man Down
It just sounds like Schnepp's "love" for the movie sounds forced.
Nope, just his opinion.
You and another person have said this, as did I in my other comment. I hate those "paid off" review conspiracies, and I don't think his was, but something about him seems under duress. He hated/disliked BvS, got trolled, "loved" the Ultimate Cut (Even Dennis laughed at him saying the two are night and day), and now he loves Suicide Squad?
Not only that, but even when asked for negatives, he talks about what he liked and literally counters EVERYONE'S negatives with "I liked that, you have to look at it like this." It feels maddeningly forced. I can't blame someone for wanting to avoid trolls, but giving a dishonest review is not the way forward. His review of this does not match with the issues he had with BvS. Conspiracy theories are dumb, but I think something's off with Schnepp.
he was sweating more than the usual, i mean he was responding to everyone like if he directed the movie, and the responses were awkward too.
He looked incredibly ill-at-ease. As soon as he said the Ultimate Cut was night and day I raised an eyebrow and said to my friend, "Schnepp is gonna say he loves SS."
+Naif Al Zahrani My point exactly.
I loved the movie. Sue me. Why would you get mad at someone for their opinion? The fuck is wrong with people today
Zachary you mean like all people liked BvS ? oh wait !
Zachary Goddard Well not all of them, just like three of them. And a decent amount of people did like BvS
+Zachary Goddard people liked the movie but everyone loves the bandwagon of rotten tomatoes
lots of people like stupid movies your no different
Just Saying Really now? Well how about you Name a few of your favorite movies. Particularly the ones you enjoyed but others said were stupid.
Seriously, Perri is such a great addiction to this crew.
what kind of addiction is she? herione meth? lol jokes I get what you mean dude.
Does she have an accent? She says "me" kinda weird
Just saw it. Knew Diablo would be my favorite...And he's fucking dead. God dammit.
@Jack Bool Umm...comments section of a spoilers review?
Spoiling the movie in a spoiler review video? Angry much?
The guy was the host of a powerful fire demon/demigod (really cool effect). It would be easy to bring him back. I'm surprised that Diablo is even killable.
in a spoiler review bro
LMAO. I just came back from this movie and I didn't even realize he fucking died! Wow.
Just watched it. Even tho I had low expectations I couldn't enjoy it. It wasn't bad, more boring in my opinion 😳
surprise,some dc fanboy giving it 10/10
Same. I didn't feel anything. :/ I laughed at the ending though.
it was pretty fucking bad
I want to get a hold of the deleted scenes and see a good edit of this film. also remove the family line from Diablo. he was awesome and I presume he killed his family by turning into Mayan God Diablo hence his cloths being gone.
Joshua Patrick true but I'm a pessimist when it comes to cash grabs as obvious as this. I did well to avoid trailers and the end product didn't surprise me. A solid meh movie. The editing was insane but it can be salvaged. And even tho it shouldn't be like this, this is indeed how it is because people exist that are still fooled by trailers.
How many times can DC really pull the "ultimate cut" card?
they're going to screw up the movie industry just like EA did with games and DLC .
David Ayer confirmed that Suicide Squad won't get an "Ultimate Cut". And Director's Cut/Ultimate Cut's have been around for a long as time. Wait a minute, it's DC, so i guess it's easy to blame them for that!
It's not the directors fault. They are being pushed around unfortunately. Lets just hope this is the last time it happens.
+StonexxDemonmaggot I actually love BvS extended my point is the studios cut the fucking balls off these movies
I'll bet Rogue 1 turns out to be a pile of shit for the same reason.
I'm intrigued to know what happened to Eastwood's character, and I'm confused how an explosive could stop a magic machine which is being controlled by a witch even if she is defeated, especially when she put so much "magic" in it.
I think Will Smith should've chosen Independence Day: Resurgence over Suicide Squad...
In the club scene I really don't like how Joker says "Hunka Hunka" that is just a major hell no for me.
Thomas Boyle i think joker was actually doing an impression of Jim Carrey, not Leto, I mean the actual character. joker does impressions some time.
Enchantresses Brother looked like he came out of God's Of Egypt
I still like the animated one better
Assault on Arkham was bar none one of the worst animations DC comics has put out aside from TTG and all the Damian Wayne shit. It pretty much sucked the life out of Deadshot. Made Harley Quinn more raw meat then New 52 Starfire and King Shark's design was RUINED. They did to his design what the skinheads did to Edward Norton in the shower scene of American History X
"I'm here bitches" is also one of the worst lines the Joker has ever said in any medium ever
same here
Somebody left the Spotify on in the edit room. It wanted to do what Guardians of the Galaxy did the way Gunn used all those cool 70s/80s Era songs. Ayer should have called Gunn and asked for help. Meh. It was tolerable but I totally get what Perry is talking about.
Yea in Guardians those songs fit in perfectly... in SS they were kinda out of place in away.
+JohnCampea @JohnCampea the shot of the sword on the ground when harley kneels is something Hollywood LOVES to do that I HATE. I call it the 'reveal shot' and i know that's not it's technical term but it's like "OH we have to make SURE the audience knows what's happening" smh. Dude... It's not a kids movie. We can keep up. smh.
I get what you're saying and what Campea is saying, however, if that shot were not there, nitpickers would be like "where did that come from? How did it end up there? That was convenient!" Can't win them all I suppose.
T.O. Media Studio Word. No doubt. I see you.
Exactly, their negatives for the movie sounded like nitpicks to me, but it's whatever.
I don't remember the exact words, but the Enchantress' word choice when negotiating with Harley revealed to me Harley's intention to surprise Enchantress. The Enchantress used a similar word or words that referred back to the Joker's word choice when testing Harley's loyalty and trust before she dives into the ACE chemical vat.
They should have done a wide shot that included the sword in the edge of the frame but not focused on it
I loved when Diablo went full blown Aztec Warrior
Did someone from WB threaten Schnepp and his family or something?? This movie was so incredibly terrible, and I cannot fathom how Schnepp of all people loves this movie as much as he does. Almost every reason he listed as to why he liked this movie or what he was able to look past is exactly what he didn't like about BvS. Everyone did the best they could with the lines they were given, and I like the team, but they were given some terrible lines. There were more plot holes than actual plot. Motivations were completely forced in this movie; they were together for all of 1 day maybe, and they all love each other already? And let's not mention the fact that not one of these guys were villains at the end of this movie, they were heroes, period. I have faith that with more screen time the Joker is gonna be pretty awesome but it just didn't show in this movie. Margo was pretty good, but not role defining like RDJ or Ryan Reynolds by any stretch of the imagination...man this movie just pisses me off so much considering how I was going berserk with anticipation for it. Ugh
execs from wb are watching schnep! soprano style.... 😡😡😡
Different opinions! How shocking.
That "different opinions" shit, must be put to a stop.
I agree. I respects Schnepps views and after watching the movie im wondering if he saw the same thing we all did. Oh well, thats the beauty of having a diverse crew and opinions
but he loves the movie for the reasons he hates others
Man!!!! watching reviews for this movie is been crazy, you really don't know who is going to like it and who is going to hate it
This is a fanboy review. There's no way you can watch and know all of the super hero films that have been released over the past 15 years and think this is a good comic book film.
so are you a catwoman fan? your comment makes no sense.
No, he never said he's a fan of every single super hero movie in the past 15 years. He said if you watched all of them, there are a lot of examples of good super hero films, and suicide squad is not one of them.
COMMANDRofAWESUM divide squad was shit sorry to break it to U man
I finally got to see this last Tuesday, but only cuz we missed Don't Breathe's curtain time and I didn't wanna wait around for two hours. Squad was starting so we went to see that instead. Now I wish I'd waited two hours. I hear Don't Breathe is excellent.
27:12 I enjoyed this review up until this point, but then we finally get to the meat of it. Perri Nemiroff says she echoes the panel's obvious negatives that the film has but then she starts dissecting the story. It's a film without a second act. Perri hits the nail on its head. She practically drops the mic here. That's the problem with this film.
I would like to know if the 'huddle' scene in the bar just before the final battle was one of the "pickups" that was done late in production. It's no secret that they went back to film extra stuff after principal shooting was completed, and that happens a lot in big films like this. However, if they put the principal photography together without that scene, even the most dense studio executive woulda noticed something was missing and that scene felt like a bandaid on a missing limb. It belonged earlier in the movie. A movie similar to this which I love much more is Mystery Men. There is a similar bar scene in Mystery Men as part of a much more complex second act.
I really enjoyed the chemistry between Smith and Robbie, but at the same time I'm like what the hell would the Deadshot that Smith has been showing us this entire time possibly see in the Harley Quinn that Robbie's been showing us up until now? They're magically friends all the sudden cuz the actors want to be friends on camera. It makes negative pi sense in terms of character development. Give the audience a reason for these guys to suddenly have each other's back. It could have been something simple like Robbie, by pure coincidence, says some phrase that Deadshot's daughter says to him earlier in the film. Something that simple and pure would have been enough for me but I didn't catch anything. They're just "thick as thieves" just cuz. Reasons.
The people behind Suicide Squad spent so much time giving each of these characters their own introduction that by the time we're done with all that, we're over forty minutes into the story and they STILL don't have Diablo's back story. That's nuts. So the characters have no chance to get to know each other. I'm not saying I needed to see them get a softball league going, but why not start the film with Waller having her people get these guys out of their respective separate prisons and throw them into the same yard in a maximum security prison together in like the first ten minutes of the film? Why leave Harley languishing in a gilded cage for half the movie? Have Waller put all these people together just to see if they'd kill each other or work together to break out? THEN give Waller a moment of power where she IS able to contain them all and control them.
Compare this to how Joss Whedon was able to explain an entire season of Firefly in less than ten minutes of the movie Serenity, and then he moved forward with his story. First act of status quo dealt with just as many characters, including the ship itself, and then he launched headlong into a second act. The Tams are getting off the boat. That has an effect on the landscape. Much better story structure. So when we get to the third act, the story deserves it. Suicide Squad's attempt at plot is painfully inadequate in comparison.
The producers of Suicide Squad bring the cast together with Flagg's anti-pep talk but then immediately give them each separate trunks to change clothes so now we have the squad separate again. There's never really a moment for them to bond. The attempts at that this late in the story are shoehorned in at best. I get this is a party of non joiners. You're not gonna get a family out of this group. That's not the story they wanted to tell. Okay fine. Then the producers should own that. Go there, instead.
However, at the very end Diablo NEEDS a family of choice to rally around him! Without that, he's acting like he's been in a different film this whole time! This makes the entire end hollow and empty, cuz in the third act they're all buddies and team work and rah rah rah only THEY NEVER EARN THIS. It doesn't feel visceral and real. In a story with decent plot structure, the final battle here in this movie was actually where the "heroes" were supposed to fail miserably. Enchantress shoulda cleaned their clocks, captured them, maybe even tried to turn them into monsters cuz they weren't a team yet, and now she's taken Manhattan and the rest of the world's next if the Squad don't get past their petty differences and learn how to become a family of choice.
They needed to fall so that they could rise again, but that never happened. Cuz reasons.
Perri is absolutely right. This film has no second act and that's why it's only a "fun" movie, when it could have been a great movie.
after watching the movie I believe Harley Quinn is pregnant. there are two scenes that make me believe that. when Harley is having that imaginary perfect life with her and Joker and you see the two babies and earlier in the movie when you see the Joker lying down laughing and all his weapons are all around him, off to the side you see two baby outfits that look like baby pajamas one blue and one pink I think she is going to have twins ..... P.S I loved the movie and I sorry that you didn't
She was in jail. How did she get pregnant? Doubt they would let Joker do conjugal visits,.
RobTzu 1 they don't specify how long she was in jail,but I can't imagine it was long since the joker was so determined to get her out
i thought the same for a sec. The baby clothes threw me off i was like huh..?
I think there was three-four baby outfits but yea
+Hateful M8 i specifically remember seein somewhere some
Baby suits and i cannot specifically place where i saw them. And there was more then one
Suicide Squad was really not a good movie. I think Jared Leto was under-utilized and I didn't see enough of him but when he was on scene he was electric. And I loved Margot Robbie as Harley but like stated in the video I think her comedic timing fell off because of poor editing, her jokes landed 50% of the time in my opinion. Will Smith was great as always, no complaints there he was one of my favorite parts of the movie. Viola Davis was great even though I hated her character so much. Jai Courtney was entertaining and funny for the limited lines he had. I think the best characters though we're Deadshot, Diablo, and Flagg. Rick Flagg was a great center and he had layers and I liked him at times, hated him at times, loved him at times.. I could tell he wasn't just a one dimensional soldier. And Diablo was the most grounded of all of them despite his odd motivations in the final battle. If we're just going off the characters alone id say this is a really great film but it's not
The part that really got on my nerves was the basic conflict of the movie. It was so bland and uninspired and Enchantress was boring as hell and annoying and looked like shit. Her brother was even dumber, I felt like I was watching Sorcerers Apprentice when he came to life. They were way too weak to even pose any threat to the villain. This was a villain that could've gotten it's own Justice League film because it was so threatening. Yet it still bored me, and how'd they evacuate the entire New York City so fast. It should've been more contained and less threatening. Like a raid mission. And it looked dumb and I could not buy any scene where they showed enchantress. Truly shitty villain. Loved the characters and the set up, hated the cause and the reason they needed them. They really messed up there, so many reasons it could have been great but fell short.
It wasn't New York, it was actually Midway City.
Harley's elevator scene was my favorite.
That was awesome!
how did the rest of the team get up there before she did tho? little things like that bothered me from the movie
+Charles Lucas ikr I was like damn all y'all are speedsters.
Idk I still find it hard to believe that the 2 metahumans
and the Seals could all bunch up In those stairs and still catch up to the elevator that was already moving....but whatever this is nitpicking
If you've got some slow ass elevators maybe. She was already like a floor ahead too.
I disagree with Campea about the sin of showing the sword at the climax. That was the reveal moment and if Harley suddenly pulls a sword out of nowhere the audience would immediately be wondering where it came from. There are other ways they could have ended, but it would have to be a very different setup.
Fun movie, I'd rewatch it. 3 out of 4 for me.
I thought the Enchantress dancing scene was super sexy. I love everything about this movie, I'm easily impressed with superhero movies, and it takes a lot to make me hate one, though i can't stand Heath Ledger's COSPLAY as Joker in TDK. Can't wait for the ULTIMATE edition!
Why is the Enchantress dance such a big focus? I thought it was weird but it didn't effect the movie at all.
The team's mission was to save Waller - NOT to stop Enchantress - and it took them AT LEAST 3 days to get there? Enchantress still hadn't destroyed the world? Meanwhile everybody from Justice League was apparently on vacation the whole time?
you realize it is a different city it wasn't metropolis, gotham or central city olus i think there was no news coverage on it cause its basically black ops
If you watched the movie you would know that Justice League isn't even formed yet at this point.
Marcos Imperial I did watch the movie. My point was that the individuals who will eventually make up the Justice League were either blissfully unaware or thought "not my problem". It's a big plot hole where in a world with superheroes nobody notices the swirling blue cloud over and evacuation/destruction of a city.
Gilmartin Pares Well I guess if Bruce Wayne doesn't notice that one of his subsidiaries is manufacturing neck bombs and is raided by the Joker, he won't notice when a city is under siege.
Darcy Wiley at least when he found out about the bombs he confronted waller about it and basically blackmailed her to save her skin
What the movie did right, was the tension. Some scenes were done so well in terms of tension. But then a random joke or "fun" soundtrack comes in, kinda ruins the moment. It tries to be dark, but it's not allowed to be dark. Kinda disappointing, cos fuck man, the premise is so cool
Is Campea secretly back for good?
plus they share offices...they still see each other everyday even though he's not on movie talk
No
***** Cool. U left it in good hands but always happy to see u back
why he left in the first place?
+Ferdy Hoshigaki Tube i think he does that comic-con 24 hrs site on the net.
I agree with most you guys' thoughts. My least favorite scene had to be the scenes with Egyptian goddess lookin' Enchantress. I didn't buy into her as a villain, and they talked to her up to be this powerful being that could do so much but in the end she didn't end up being so powerful. I enjoyed that fight scene with all the suicide squad, i thought it was hilarious when Harley hit Enchantress on the back of the head with her bat. But other than that, that whole end sequence was kinda blah for me. My favorite scenes were definitely with Joker and Harley Quinn, but I gotta take a page out of Campea's book, for my most favorite scene was with Common, Joker, and Harley, that scene was sooo freakin awesome!! I honestly wish this movie was a Joker and Harley movie with Batman in it. All their scenes were so good that I just couldn't get enough. Margot as Harley was perfect casting, I bought into her from her very first scene and Jared Leto is a very different Joker of course but I thought he was enough creepy, enough crazy, and maniac for me to buy into it. Deadshot was my other favorite character in the movie, it had enough of "Will Smith-isms" for me to really enjoy the character and enough good motivation and story for me to get behind him. Also his relationship with Harley I really enjoyed. One more character I thought was really well realized was Amanda Waller, Viola Davis. I thought she was awesomely-ruthless, but a necessary evil because I bought into her reasons for doing what she had to do. It was sort of the only Justice League she could come up with. By the end of the movie, I was wondering if perhaps we will see Amanda Waller in Justice League but I think that'd be too much. I cannot wait to see more of these characters on screen, just wish the story had been better, because that's the one thing that brought this movie down for me, other than that, I really enjoyed this movie!
Geez Schnepp, we get it you liked it stop trying to force Perry to like it.
The most cringe line was when El Diablo said "I'm not losing another family" right before he dies. The execution of the line was so forced and the suicide squad had been together for like 3 hours and there was no moment where I felt like they were a "family" lol
Perri has it right. Good performances and some fun moments but messed up editing, terrible script and forgettable overall. And as much as i love Schnepp it seemed a bit on the defensive today.
The Joker was disappointing for me. He wasn't the Joker I know and love and while you can harp on me about me not accepting change I personally felt that the film was trying too hard to make the Joker seem intimidating with the lighting and the camera angles. We don't need a flash into Jokers mental state to know that he's a lunatic. They even threw in a random shot of him pulling at his hair to display how CRAZY he is! I felt that he was standing around half the time looking lost with no instruction as for what to do. I know Ayer is an advocate for ad-libbing but Leto really needed the direction. Joker felt really underutilized and shoehorned in to me. I felt he was there for his name rather than his use to the narrative. Had you taken him out, it wouldn't have effected anything. His relationship with Harley was rather frustrating with the way he treated her like property and was only there to rescue her. That's not my Harley. Her lines to him felt extremely forced, and her one liners awkward and stale. She was neither the intelligent Harley or the abused Harley. You get the impression that she's really with the Joker to fix him and she aspires to having children and wearing rollers in her hair. She was reduced to the girlfriend and Joker the boyfriend who are always just making out. Will Smith serviced his role and of course he got the most development in the film seeing as that he's Will Smith. He also never went fully evil and remained an anti-hero. Viola Davis was excellent, her performance was an extension of her character on How to Get Away with Murder and I enjoyed the hell out of it. Rick Flag: generic boy scout. Captain Boomerang: useless, only throws 2 boomerangs. El Diablo: who? Killer Croc: lame. Enchantress: god awful/ plot device. Katana: sword scene was cut/ here for Asian demographic. Slipknot: hahahaha! As you've already heard the script is a mess and the editing is choppy. All the cool Joker scenes you saw in the trailer or through behind-the-scenes footage does not make it into this film and when something is a reshoot *you can tell*. The music takes away from any emotional or heartfelt moments and is predictably mundane. The team aspect that everyone recommended you see this movie for is nice but inconsistent. The film builds up how bad these characters are in the first 30 minutes only to soften them up later in an attempt to keep viewers liking them. At a certain point in the film characters will find themselves having a sudden change of heart for convenience sake and tbh this team is weak. Half its members shouldn't be there but as a team they look sooo garbage opposed to the Superman level threat they have to face. There's no team action scenes, no wonder Margot Robbie didn't require a stunt double. She doesn't do anything! None of them do. Its just a bunch of shooting. The team never kills any actual people! The CGI is abysmal and looks like it came straight out of Gods of Egypt its that bad. I'd give the film a 4/10
Perri is the only one on point totally on this panel
For you, which isn't saying much. Never forget, and I know you will never: Her opinion and yours are as valid as anyone's.
jorgiebutt nah...
morpheusrulesall Ok, then what you have to say isn't worth a damn, then. I tried.
Agree with Campea and Schnepp - don't know why so many critics hated this movie. I thought it was a fun, poignant movie. All three of my friends who watched the movie thought it was fun, and two of them were just casual viewers who didn't even read comics.
some of these guys are really easily impressed.
A solo Joker and Harley Quinn movie would be nice.
Perri Nemiroff is the cutest thing EVER 😍
I always seem to 100% agree with Perri. I wish she was on every Collider video.
Critics are right but fans are righterer. Plot holes but if you come out of the movie enjoying what you saw then who cares.
Really enjoyed this review video! Loved getting multiple opinions and perspectives. You guys all do such a great job!
One question where the fuck was batman and the justice league if the world was in danger. Had the skwad not intervened you could have kiss the dceu good bye
The Justice League has not been assembled yet and Midway City is not any of the hero's hometown.
+TfaChicky yea im aware that the justice league isnt formet yet but still its an end of the world scenario. Im sure one of the justice league members was well aware of what was happening
Yea once again there is no Justice.....League.......lol
I echo Carl Reed. There is no Justice League. Even in the comics the Justice League doesn't get involved in every meta fight, else you would not have had individual comics about the heroes.
+Carl Reed if you reread his comment he said at least ONE of the justice league members. We all know justice league doesn't exist yet.
Thank you so much Collider crew for the well thought out and diverse opinions on the movie. I noticed no one even mentioned Katana in the review. I also noticed it took me over 30 minutes in to the review to notice. Do you think having her in this movie was a set up for the future? They kept talking about her sword and her dead husband's soul contained within, and I though that sword's power would come to bear in this movie, but both her and the sword seemed...well...forgettable. Thoughts? Thanks again!
I don't understand how this movie has been getting such bad reviews I thought this movie was great.
+Lucas Ocampos yes much better
+Lucas Ocampos I liked the ultimate edition but bvs still has a lot more issues than suicide squad for sure
i disagree the ultimate edition is so much better than ss
(Opinion)
One way to improve the plot/story: Based on the story of "Batman: Assault on Arkham." Rewrite it as a theatrical length movie. Given Batman and The Joker more screen time.
One of the worst movies ever made, not just comic book movies. Poorly edited, poorly acted (the Joker was good?!? WTF?!?) poor 'plot', awful pacing, shit characters outside Harley and even she was annoying, Deadshot was just ridiculous, the CGI for the brother was Scorpian King level. Fuck me there is no redeeming qualities to this car crash. I saw that someone said that this completed the trilogy: Batman Forver + Batman and Robin and now Suicide Squad. As a huge DC fan I never thought there was a 'Marvel conspiracy' by critics to belittle DC and now this absolutely confirms that the vast majority of critics have been bang on. Fuck Warner Bros.
I still think the movie would have benefited from having the main villain be another Meta-Human and not a magical god. Somebody like Deathstroke would have provided a big enough threat that they would have had to team up, whilst remaining believable that the team together could actually beat him.
Best review on the net. good job guys. reflects positives and negitives. I loved the movie and will see it at least two more times. Probably my second favorite movie of the year.
What is your favourite movie of the year?
+Brynjar Reynisson On the fun scale, Deadpool.
+crawdaddct You liked this more than Civil War?
+Raymond Mach It's kinda weird. I liked most of SS more than CW, but the final battle of CW blows any part of SS out of the water. I think I just had more fun with S's overal as mindless entertainment. Like them both and could easily see someone thinking that's crazy.
+crawdaddct I understand.
The scene where Batman punched Harley underwater was hilarious.
What a disappointment! This movie is a massive clusterfuck!
Perri - totally agree with you on the over use of music during the film. There's using music to enhance a scene, but these just seemed like one montage after another and could have been fine with just a score. I also felt the editing was choppy and poorly paced. I found myself bored through the film since so many elements kept taking me out of it.
i give it a 2/10…..horrible directing…..horrible script……the characters were good…at least the few characters out of the squad that had something to do…….why was katana, boomerang or killer crog there? they didn't do anything. And all events just happen because she puts together the SS….so after the movie we are at the same spot like we were before the movie O_o it didnt do anything
I enjoyed the movie, a 9 out of 10. Everyone is right about Enchantress and her dancing. Will Smith and margot Robbie were awesome! Loved the bar scene and when they changed their outfits. Everything with Joker and Quinn were great. Loved the back stories and the way they were presented. I don't understand the bad reviews. I thought there was more good than bad. Can't wait to see more of the deleted scenes. I agree with Schnepp for once, miracles can happen!!
the editing is wonky but I enjoyed the movie 6.5/10
What about the weak story. Weak script. Poor characterization for Joker and Harley who act like a high school couple. Or just Joker who the director tries much to hard to paint as psychotic that he has to have multiple shots shown of the Joker freaking out and going crazy including the classically predictable "pulling my hair". Harley just wants to fix Joker if you take a look at her dream toward the end that features a cured "Mr. J". She's just Harley out if necessity. What about the villain and the awful CGI show at the end or the fact that the villain has displayed fierce power but instead decides to fight our "heroes" with knives. What about the team having a change of heart for the story or the fact that none of them killed any humans?!?! Yea DC fans have lowered their standards big time.
+BlackGirlFly see, we don't care about that. we watch movies cause there movies. I'm not gonna go all critical. I'm a simple man
+BlackGirlFly didn't Amanda Waller say they were in love or did I miss that, and Harley still has some of Dr.Quinzell inside her also I think that dream sequence showed her how she views the joker but in reality their relationship is twisted. Them finally having a change of heart to me is that "even though we are Villian's an the world hates us let's do something right for a change" all in all I enjoyed it like my previous comment and the movie is not as bad as people are making it out to be I mean some people act like this movie is unbearable, is it great? no, is it horrible ?no, it's decent and I enjoyed the movie for what it was
There is surely a BVS Ultimate Cut of this movie. There is definitely some scenes that were cut out of the movie.
The scene in the helicopter with Harley is where Joker sounds just like Richard Nixon.
I love the DCEU FUCK IT I SAID IT ALL 3 MOVIES MY OPINION. COME AT ME👊👊👊👊
+Entertainment Glutton paranoid and insecure never that sir you would b surprised how easily one is attacked for their opinion
+Entertainment Glutton thxs for respecting a brothers opinion👍👍👍
+alondo rodriguez lack attention never that I'm married with 4 kids Stfu loser troll and mind yours
Chill
+The Abominable Snowman Oh, I get it!
Some of the best easter eggs from Alex Ross's art of Joker and Harley Quinn, Hawkman's hometown, Batman Assault on Arkham, Loose homage to Alan Moore's for the Man who has everything, Wayne Enterprises which is an easy giveaway, Ace Chemicals, but the one that was the best one was the Mad Love storyline from The New Adventures of Batman. To me that aspect of the story was great. There is that Bonnie and Clyde type relationship between The Clown Prince of Crime and Harley Quinn. What's great about Jared Leto's Joker is that he is a cross between Max Caddy from Cape Fear (1991) and Victor Zasaz. Also Leto does pay homage to Heath Ledger, Ceaser Romero. He balances both of those performances perfectly but also puts his own take to the iconic character.
This cut was just so disastrously edited, you guys don't get to see the scene where Margot's Doctor Quinzell of her own free will literally gives Letos Joker a gun because she think he'd choose love over killing the people in the Asylum. *sign* Too much studio interference.
I'll say it, I really liked it! Is say my favorite scene is the one with Harley and Joker in Ace Chemicals. I think I almost rolled a tear haha. As for the "dancing" at the end, it's never front and center. It's in the background maybe 3 times for a few seconds. You would barely notice it if you weren't looking.
The post credit scene with Amanda Waller and Bruce Wayne having there conversation and seeing them exchanging information was classic. Also this mid-credit scene was the perfect launching point to the Justice League film since in the trailer from SDCC we see Bruce Wayne trying to recruit Arthur Curry and Barry Allen and how he locates them was through Waller.
Great review and I echo a lot of the sentiments made.
Surprised that Perri didn't enjoy it so much...
I really liked the film. My biggest issue was the third act / finale with Enchantress. I think if they'd kept the film more... grounded, gritty and a "street-level" end fight, it would have worked a lot more. Still, solid film and gives me hope for the future of the DCEU
Music was awesome...but some of the placement of it was weird.
Can't wait to see what happens with the Joker and Harley and Batman and Deadshot in The Batman
Call it a nit pick if you will but the cgi for both Incubus or whoever he was and ElDiablo's flame incarnation looked like the sort of laughable cgi you got with Gods of Egypt.
I really liked it too! My rating is also 7.8 - 8.0. My favourite scene and one I'm surprised isn't getting much traction was after the Joker's helicopter got shot down and Harley returns to the squad, you can tell she is hurting so much yet she was putting on a front of her usual jester self, yet Deadshot saw through that, and Harley realised that he saw through and the knowing look they gave each other was great. Outstanding acting there!
Another quick thing: great review guys! I really like that even if you don't agree with one of your points you explain your position on it in a way that is understandable as to why you liked or didn't like that moment. Which makes for great discussion!!!!
Peri is amazing, but I have to agree with Schnepp on this one. While Enchantress at the end left a lot to be desired, I did enjoy the witch version of her and her brother especially in the subway scene. I even thought her ability to put visions in other's heads and that Diablo was the only one redeemed enough to fight through it was interesting. Diablo was really the backbone of the movie as he was the only one truly trying to redeem himself and his transformation was sort of Hulk-ish as he finally had to fully unleash his power. I would love to see a Joker/Harley movie and a Bourne style Deadshot movie as I think all of the actors did a great job and I agree that the biggest flaw was just not getting to see more of them interacting as the bar scene was very enjoyable. I think it was Campea who said the movie had a Dredd feel to it and I totally agree. I think the film would have worked better as an R rated movie simply because they could have replaced the puddies with humans, mind manipulated by Enchantress, and had more intense fight scenes. Overall I had alot of fun with Suicide Squad and I think Amanda Waller might be one of the best villains in the entire comic book movie world. The final rendition of Enchantress was weak and the editing did no favors, but I love Suicide Squad for the team chemistry just like I love GotG for the team not the things going on around them. Solid 8/10
I find it really odd that people so dislike the swaying of Enchantress. To me through the whole movie she made me think of a snake number one. Also the fact that she is an Enchantress, which I never thought of as strictly the fact that she uses magic but, that she is seductive despite her creepiness. I also attributed her swaying as both tribal and perhaps because she is "alien". She shoots tentacles, she looks creepy and her makeup at the beginning made me constantly think of a snake. She was found in some sort of Mayan, Aztec tomb. She to me seemed different and alien just like she should. Just my take though.
I was far more bothered by how once again the final climactic fight scene was so dark and smokey. I want to see the action not struggle to see it through the gloom.
My only reference for this movie were the episodes of Arrow featuring the Suicide Squad. I loved them in that so I was really pumped about this movie. I went into this movie expecting fun chaos and that's what I got from it. I think everyone had great performances. My standouts were Will Smith, Margot Robbie, Jared Leto, Viola Davis and Jay Hernandez. I was hesitant about Will Smith's portrayal of Deadshot because I loved how they did it on Arrow. I was so glad they kept that same anti-hero emotional yet kick butt tone to him and Will Smith did a great job of that. I agree with Schnepp about Harley Quinn/Joker relationship I think it was done really well. I also agree with Perri that some of Harley Quinn's jokes were flat but mainly because I knew it was coming from the trailer. I had few gripes with the movie. One, the slight pacing issue at the end fight felt like a double ending that was anticlimactic. Two, was the under development of some characters. Other than that it was fun!
Thinking back at it there were a lot of great moments but overall it didn't flow well and it was clear the editors are more used to editing trailers
Just peeped SS and really dug it. Had some story structure and editing issues but overall really fun. Wanna see the Ayer Cut though. Loved BvS Ultimate Cut. Won't waste my time w the theater cut. WB needs to stop messing with the directors versions. Excellent review, gang.
Enchantress is just an entity from a different realm which the movie explained, maybe the Nightshade Realm or dimension. It was roughly hinted at in the film except they didn't entirely explain it. Incubus, Enchantress' brother, is another entity of the Nightshade Dimension and their "weapon" was probably just a portal to that dimension destroying almost everything while being opened. In the comics, Incubus was a demon who ripped out the entity inside of June but I'm not sure what the name of the entity referred by. Their is a true name for the entity when being referred to along with Incubus and the Nightshade Realm.
Truth is Enchantress is little more than a plot device used to initiate Task force X. The true villain of the film is Waller, and she was absolutely incredible. I like the movie but there a issues that are unavailable seeing that we haven't gotten any solo films from anyone in the movie. This is an enormous ensemble cast and not everyone was able to get a full character arch. I feel like for the characters they focused on (Waller, Deadshot, Harley, Diablo) they were able to build enough of a story and properly show their motivations in the film. This movie is far from perfect, but it's fun and that's a gd start.
As someone who was disappointed with Batman vs. Superman. I enjoyed Suicide Squad. It was a hell of a lot more fun and I enjoyed many of the scenes the Collider crew talked about. One of my favorite scenes though was when Deadshot finally gets to see his daughter and is trying to help her with her homework and she asks him about finding the hypotenuse. She sets up a hypothetical scene where he has to kill someone and he has to awkwardly say how there are a lot of variables. It reminded me of how my parents tried to help me with algebra and geometry.
Harley acted like everything was ok when she thought joker was dead ...
I agree spot on with almost everything y'all agreed on. My favorite scene was with Joker interrogating the prison guard for info on Harley.
For the record, Jack Nicholson was NOT a very good Joker. He was frumpy, he danced to Prince music and his character never went full "crazy". Jack was basically Jack wearing makeup and doing a good Joker laugh. Ledger and Leto are better Jokers.
Favorite scene(s): tie. 1) Intro to Amanda Waller in the restaurant and her introducing to the audience the members of the Suicide Squad, 2) like John Campea, the Deadshot scene in the alley with Batman and his daughter. Worst scene: the entire last big fight scene from when the squad enters the room where Enchantress is doing her dance until the entire fight is over.
Maybe I'm missing something with Leto's Joker but I thought it was awful. He made so sense as a character and I feel like Leto watched Jack Nicholson and Heath Ledger's performances and said, "how can I out crazy those 2?" and in my opinion it was not good. His lines were so cliche and honestly every time he was on screen I was just waiting to get back to the story of the film. He made no sense at all and was very over the top. Just my opinion!
The character profiles was just perfect, the Cirque du soleil introduction to Harley Quinn was beautiful. Seeing these characters showing there humanity especially in the bar scene was just beautiful. The Enchantress transformation was just scary and loved the Jekyll and Hyde aspect.
Couple things that bugged me.
1. That they had to go save Waller TWICE!
2. That the Joker only really wanted to save Harley and not have a different agenda.
3. The dossier for each character in the beginning was too fast you didn't get to read what they said.
Example: Captain Boomerang, Fetishes, Pink Unicorns.
Nobody got to read that last line and took away from the the unicorn stuff being funny.
4. That everyone, including Batman was calling him Deadshot, not Lawton. It sounded weird.
but i really did like the movie. i saw it twice last night, back to back.
not everyone, the prison guy call him lawton :D
+Gavin Gawyn
he called him Floyd, and v he said that only his friends call him Floyd. But he might have called him Lawton once?
thanks
Yeeaah.. Idk.. but my kids and I like it too and I am going to see it again this weekend, and maybe without kids I can get more focus on the film. hehe..
I agree, Harleys went by really really quick and I swear I saw it say she's the killer of the Robin.
I love Dennis(and sweaty Jon Schnepp)!!!!!!!!!! He had the same favorite scene as me.
I can't believe they actually liked the el Diablo transformation. I thought it was incredibly stupid and came out of absolutely nowhere. they set up that his powers were just pyrokinesis, but then when you basically make him into a skeleton fire demon it just seems like they're giving up
It made me feel like I was watching a comic book come to life. There were definitely some flaws, but I had fun. It really got me excited to see further interactions between Batman, the Joker, and Harley.
My favorite scene is Deadshot helping his daughter with her homework and having to explain the other factors in marksmanship besides distance. Least favorite was the sewer bit of the end fight when it looked like Croc was murdering the seals, but was apparently murdering other underwater bad guys since he told Scott Eastwood to go ahead to plant the bomb.
Peri Peri chicken didn't like it? Big surprise.
A lot of ppl complain about the typical cgi "end of the world" final act
But they also seem to have missed the little jab that deadshot said about it before they got they got there
In a sarcastic tone he was like "so let me guess, we're going to swirling ring of trash in the sky.. Cause, Yeah why wouldn't we"
Basically saying yeah this is a comic book action movie so why wouldn't we have a apocalyptic fight scene lol I like how it made fun of itself. A lot ppl didn't catch that.
I loved this movie