I'm holding a stovaholics anonymous meeting for our stove addictions! Nice collection. I think my top 3 would have to be the Whisperlite universal, Biolite, and Pocket Rocket 2.
I live in a high wind region and well the wind can sneak up without notice on an mountain so the MST XKG is a must. Also the maintenance kit is a big bonus.
Good job! Been trying to figure out which multifuel stove would work best for me, and you helped me decide. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience with these stoves.
Wow~! What an excellent set of camping stove Collection! From High Sea to Summit, Man You simply Rock! Couldn't wait to see your next in-depth toe to toes multi-fuels stove comparison review video. THANK YOU SIR~! You Guys and Girls Stay Safe n Warm out there, Take Care Everyone~!!
I’ve had a Dragonfly for years, and can tell you that that mine has been has been used and abused without fail. The legs are still very secure after being bounced around and dropped everywhere. I’ve still got a 25?yr old Whisperlite that has never seen any maintenance, either. They both work like the day I bought them. I’ve only ever had to lube the pump cup with olive oil now and then. Great video. Thanks.
I have found over 60 years not that i'm too lazy to build a fire to cook over that a good quality mtn stove was the answer , next question was which one is the one that meets my needs ? well over 60 years 7 stoves so far and i'm looking for the magic number 8.. Could be worse, it could be golf clubs ..
to be honest if i go out in the woods half the fun is to grill something over fire. Never the less ive got countless kerosene vintage stoves in brass that i collect so i guess im not to far off the rockers😇😂
I have virtually all those stoves and a few other totaling 22. Not a bum one in the bunch! Correction on fuel line cleaning, the Simmerlite has a cleaning wire just like the Whisperlite, the Dragonfly wire is not a removable piece instead it uses a replaceable filter in the end of the fitting.
Just bought the Polaris. Thanks for the in depth reviews. Bought mine new and it looks used but nothing damaged. Can’t wait to try it out, it’s my first stove. Used to have a whisper light years ago but I never used it and it disappeared. This one will get used.
Just want to say thank you so much for giving up good videos good quality videos and once she have a good 218 God loves you I don't got those stones where I live take care your friend Floyd
MAN, YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW HELPFUL YOUR STOVE VIDEOS ARE. I BOUGHT A DRAGONFLY, IT REALLY SEEMS THE MOST FLEXIBLE IN FUEL, STABLE AND ADJUSTABLE FLAME. MY IDEA IS OPERATE WITH DIESEL MOSTLY BECAUSE I AM A TRUCK DRIVER, THEN FUEL WOULD BE FREE FOR ME. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR VIDEOS, THEY NOT JUST HELPED ME TO CHOOSE MY STOVE BUT LEAN THE MAINTENANCE AND OTHER TRICKS.
I work in a gasoline refinery lab your 100% correct the higher octane fuels always have higher gum content due to additives like raffinate. Always go for the lowest octane fuel for your stove
Wow now that's a nice collection of mtn stoves .. I thought i was bad of owning mtn stoves that go back almost 60 years .. Well done .. My very first mtn stove was the Svea 123 and no. 2 was the Optimus 8R both of which i still have and use them off and on (the good ol' days i guess) In the 1980's i bought my first MSR stove, No. 3 Whisperlite and after that others followed .. No. 4 was the XGK which i still use .. No. 5 was the Simmerlite .. No. 6 was the Dragonfly (love that model.). No. 7 was the Snow Peak white gas model (no priming they pretty much figured it out ) The pump has a switch LIGHT or COOK.. Pump up the fuel bottle , attach the fuel line to the stove , move lever to LIGHT and light the burner and when blue flame appears , turn lever to COOK. and add more pumps to the fuel bottle .. .Neat.. Great simmer to it , and very quiet.. Knowing what i know now what is after all these years my number 1 favorite mtn stove ? Dragonfly for a variety of reasons .. Just my history on liquid gas mtn stoves .. You did well i like your collection, you have some models i have never seen in the backcountry here .. To this day i still hear where people are afraid of white gas stoves.. ?? ya i don't know why .. just interesting as all..
I just found this video and watched. I don't have a Gas Stove at all. and, thinking bout getting one or 2 for my Bug Out Trailer. So, I'm really checking out your video's on these. I'm fixing to watch your MSR Whisperlite Universal VS Optimus Polaris! video next to try and learn more bout these stoves.
Those $15 lixada stoves are hard to beat for occasional three season use. My nova is the original Brunton Optimus version with the quick release fuel line. It’s been on the most trips with me and it’s never let me down. It’s probably my favorite. My runner up is the pre-‘ex’ version of the Primus multifuel. It’s a lot like the xgk.
Yeeeeeessssssss..... this is what I’m talkin about! Yeah you’re right about low octane auto gasoline. Octane doesn’t have anything to do with Stove performance. I think I only own one of the msr stoves. It’s a whisperlite international that I bought purely for collection reasons. My biggest problem with the msr line has been the plastic pumps. It’s definitely the failure point of the system. Good news is that you can now use the Primus pump with the msr universal. Also the new msr pumps are ok. On my list of ‘stoves to get’ I still have a slot open for the old rigid fuel line xgk.
Its easy to convert the Whisperlite international to canister gas. no need to change jets- use white gas jet. Parts: 2" of 1/4" black rubber fuel hose-two hose clamps- "Campingmoon Z21-25" canister fuel hose and valve (amazon $20). Remove the male threaded Nindal fitting from the new fuel line with a wrench. insert the remaining nipple into the 1/4" rubber hose and secure with hose clamp. Push the rubber fuel hose onto the stove fuel line and clamp. Can still convert back to white gas
I hiked the AT in 2000 and used an Xgk and an alcohol stove. The xgk saved my bacon in sub freezing to sub zero south near the end. I really appreciate your summary of the differences. I also would love a bombproof xgk that was multifuel and ran on canisters AND with simmer control. It’s supplant many of their other stoves though. Also just found a whisper light for 5$ at the thrift store now I know it’s a regular one, thanks again. If you hiked in 2000 maybe we passed each other!
Skeet... When I first opened the video I thought I was watching a part two from the movie Runaway with Tom Selleck. All the stoves look like the runaway spiders from the movie. Cool video.
I always thought it would be great if someone came up with a dedicated ‘kerosene only’ pump for the xgk that would have an air bleed valve to allow for precise simmering. That’s how a lot of the older kerosene stoves simmered and it’s pretty effective.
Hi, I like your stove videos a lot. You strike me as a stove fanatic like myself ;) I've been using the Primus Omnifuel for years, but for the last years I've mostly been using the Whisperlite and XGK. Ever had any near misses? My only close call, was a over pressurized Primus bottle which squirted gasoline from the seal between the flask and pump. This was in the front tent during a cold winter trip. Thankfully all went well.
I picked up the old whisperlite for only 5 bux! Pump/ bottle and all. The jet was fully clogged and the bottom fuel reservoir was almost impossible to screw off but great deal none the less
Very nice job. Very informative. I appreciate you effort. You are obviously an MSR guy so I was able to get a lot of good MSR info which has always baffled me because I am a Coleman guy. If you ever get an opportunity to test the Coleman Denali vs the MSR XGK I would love to see the comparison of heat output and water-boil times, etc, etc. I am not claiming one would be better than the other but I would be curious to see your results and your impressions of the Denali. (It is all fuel including diesel and jet and inverted cannister so it cxomes out as a liquid. They used that back around 2006. The Fyrestorm and Apollo stoves (TOTALLY different burner design) also use white gas and inverted cannister fuel. The Denali is the only Coleman stove that uses the flame spreader plate. That design is what most MSR stoves use. It always struck me as a primitive design, but it is effective and bomb-proof but noisy and wind sensitive. Its just a geyser of flame shooting up hitting the bottom of the flame diverter plate and spreading upwards around it! I prefer the Coleman burners but MSR is still in the stove business whereas Coleman is not, so that speaks volumes! THANKS AGAIN! GOOD JOB!
Best is what you got for sure but I bet you pick the Polaris with the mod you did in another video.if I’m right I pick the universal as the prize haha👍 as always great video
I like the little one I got last year I made the video about don't remind what it was but for 5 dollars on sale at Walmart and it was 15 or 29 can't remember but it worked great but been 8 months and I never asked so I have to do anything if I don't use for a while. So I hope it still works this summer or spring. If not only out 5 dollars. I really need to get some parts fix my lanterns and stoves so I can give some away and sell my personal one to have extra money for the money spent on the ones I'm giving away. Still want to give sets up to 6 sets away to 6 kids. Well older teens. But great video loved it. Have a great week thanks for sharing god bless
+Danny Schwab good Afternoon brotha, it sounds like you got a good plan on your hands fixing up those old lanterns and stoves I love doing that. Thank you for stopping by and showing your support I hope you have a beautiful day as well and God bless you too
JIUJITSU2000 thanks sir. Well wish I was closer would love some help from someone smarter than me. Thanks for always being nice to me. Have a good one god bless
Yep, high octane not only has more additives, but if anything yields a performance decrease as the additives are there to stop it from igniting prematurely under the intense heat and pressure inside an engine. I've heard various numbers thrown around for octane rating on white gas, but it's generally 50-60, yet it provides higher heat output from stoves. I agree that if you don't mind the smell on startup and shutdown, automotive gas runs great.
So far I'm looking at Dragonfly, WhisperLite Universal, and a PocketRocket 2 or a SuperFly. What I'm also looking into is whether one would need a WindPro II if they already have a WhisperLite Universal.
Am collector of gas stoves, esp Svea and knockoffs--Reminds me of old joke: a guy is plummeting from a very high altitude and sees someone rushing up toward him from the ground. The guy falling screams to the guy coming up ‘do you know anything about how to work parachutes??’ The guy flying back up screams ‘No! Do you know anything about Coleman stoves??’
Holy crap that's a lot of stoves. Your house looks like it's been invaded by alien spiders. I picked up the Whisperlite Universal thanks in part to your Whisperlite series, and it's a great stove. I keep it on reserve as my group powerhouse option. Otherwise, the Trangia is my baby.
Good video. Good collection of stoves. Which one would you say is your favorite and why? I like canister stoves but they get the pressurized with the cold weather in the winter. I would like to see what other company makes a liquid fuel backpacking stove other than MSR. The problem I have with the MSR is that the pot stand is not appropriate for a small pot. This is were canister stoves XL over MSR liquid stoves. Other than that I give my respects to MSR stoves. They are also considerably heavier than canister stoves. And the other hand, this is an area of backpacking where weight should not be the number one criteria to choose a stove. I like the snow peak Bipod stove because of the stability feature. Thank you so much for sharing this video. God bless you.
I picked up a new stove and LOVE it. It is a beautiful stove with a great flame pattern and a lot of power and feels like it is a quality stove. It is the Redcamp 4600W Canister stove. It isn't as versatile as your favorites but it is a great stove for medium-sized pots, and, althought you could classify it as a car-camping stove, I personally like it and I am quite pleased with its flame control and output.
+Kaylynn Strain I know of a very solid well performing one that i can recommend for you, if i get a little time away from work ill try to shoot a vr for you showing it
interesting that your whisperlite international has the wire legs of the original. I've never seen that before. Also you mention the whisper lite international running on diesel. Not according to the user manual. Orig is white gas only, international is white gas, unleaded, kerosene, universal adds canisters.
U can send ur whisperlite in to msr and they will overhaul it for 30 it will have will be upgrade to the international and have the fuel line as long as the univertal i just send mine in
Higher octane fuel contain retardants that will not burn which slows down burning of fuel so it reduces engine knock but leaves deposits over time so detergents are added in the fuel but the larger carbon atoms (larger distillates) form over time from the burning fuel requiring the need to clean fuel line which is why MSR stoves have a reputation for quality and ease of field servicing.
Hi, I just got into these types of stoves and love all your videos. I wanted to know if you know of a multi fuel stove that also burns alcohol or a jet you can buy that would let them burn alcohol? Thank you for your time. Have a nice day!
I was a bit bummed when you cast aside the primus so quickly in that group. I'm mainly a fan for the beefy all metal pump. That's what worries me with MSR. I thought the jet was easy to clean with the little tool they come with, didn't even know about these self cleaning shaker jets till now. I thought I was an educated stove enthusiast until watching your video 😂
The reason why is multifuel and dual fuel groups, is fuel preheating capasity. What happen if put gasoline and diesel mixt? When stove is for gasoline, no trouble with oils in safety issue. Mixture ratio depent how easy it ignite.
I've always been confused as to why people say the whisperlite can't simmer. The valve on the pump could be used to adjust the amount of fuel coming out of the bottle, so theoretically, even without depressurizing the bottle, can't you just turn the valve down, let less gas out, and reduce the flame?
Would you say that there's a noticeable difference in actual cooking performance between using only the gas valve on the whisperlite (no depressurization) versus using the dedicated flame control valve on the polaris?
I run the Whisperlite Universal because it’s quiteeee. I run it with the canister attachment on hose and Canister jet with the Primus ergo pump. It will burn white gas and canister fuel with the UC canister jet. Best of both worlds and quite. The burner stoves are too loud for me.
Like you and a lot of other people, I have a fairly substantial stove collection. Regarding you collection of stoves, I think you have missed an entire set of stoves that realistically, nearly every modern backpacker looks at and considers. What I'm referring to is the ultralight cannister stoves. I'm not talking about the stoves with the built in pot, I'm talking about the pocket rocket type stoves. Snow peak makes some great ones, and these stoves are incredibly light. They use titanium to reduce weight, and the stoves are extremely durable. One thing that I think needs to be stressed here is the need for identifying what you are going to use the stove for, specifically what kind of situations are you going to be in? Will you be going on a trip where you are packing everything with you and will be miles away from any kind of stores or conveniences? Will you be travelling a lot, never knowing exactly what kind of fuel you will be able to find for your stove? Will you be cooking for yourself only, or cooking for others? The reality is multi fuel stoves are meaningless if you only brought one kind of fuel, and you are not around "civilization" during your trip. The original whisperlite is one of the most quiet white gas stoves on the market and is easily one of the most durable. They are also one, if not THE, lightest white gas stove out there. The coleman peak line of stoves are great for cooking, but are very heavy. The realities of your stove choice really become more focused when you look at how your stove is going to be used for a specific trip. Cannister stoves are easily the best choice for early backpackers. They work every time and are typically very adjustable. The only issue is making sure you have more fuel than you will need for that specific trip and figuring out what you are going to do with the empty cannisters. I think you should spend a bit more time stressing the need to understand how your stove is going to be used on a given trip. A lot of choices can be determined by how the stove is going to be used... The most important decision is, are you going to be travelling on planes with your stove? You cannot have fuel on an airplane and will need to buy fuel at your destination. If you are backpacking after driving and will be out for, say 5 days, you will most likely use one single kind of fuel and not need a multifuel stove. If you are new to backpacking, get a cannister stove and use it while you do more research... They're cheap and reliable... Again, to me the single most important point should be how are you going to use the stove and then choose which stove fits that need...
After using the MSR XGK-EX (marine issue) and the Optimus Polaris for a while now I have to say the Polaris is King of the Hill. The MSR fuel bottle design is dated and messy whereas the Polaris is advanced end no mess whatsoever. It runs the same fuels as the XGK without having to switch jets. Plus it packs down easier and has WAY better simmer control, both of which I have QuietCaps for. Also, on a lesser scale, the MSR lube has a tendency to open itself and get all over the toolkit.
The Polaris is also used by military. The Brittish Royal Marines and Im not sure if the Swedish forces use it since its a Swedish brand but they might do. Best regards from Sweden
I actually feel like the dragonfly pot supports are more robust and stable than any other stove, including the XGK. The vertical supports transfer the weight of large pots directly into the ground without the force going through any joints or connections. With the XGK (and many other stoves) the pot supports act as lever arms and multiply the force, then all that force goes right into a flexible joint.
The best fuel is easily pure alkylate 4-stroke small engine gasoline. Ton of BTU's with no smell and no poisons... only CO2... Yeah, it's costly but hey... do ya burn 50 litres per year or what!?
I don't mind heavier gear I'd it's more reliable but I would like to make simple meals or bushpot meals. Definitely more cooking than just boil water.. is it crazy load when running
Thanks for a relative short comparison of the stoves, you really helped me to find the stove i need for my trips :)
I'm holding a stovaholics anonymous meeting for our stove addictions! Nice collection. I think my top 3 would have to be the Whisperlite universal, Biolite, and Pocket Rocket 2.
good choice there ..
Stovaholics. I like it!
I live in a high wind region and well the wind can sneak up without notice on an mountain so the MST XKG is a must. Also the maintenance kit is a big bonus.
Now that's a lot of stoves. Interesting thoughts on the octane. Thank you for sharing
Good job! Been trying to figure out which multifuel stove would work best for me, and you helped me decide. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience with these stoves.
Great video. Glad I am not the only one who loves to collect stoves.
I have been running MRS stoves for over 25 years. I have the 5 of them from the original wisperlight to the dragonfly. Love them all. Great stoves!
Dang it man ,That’s a mighty fine collection you got there!
Wow~! What an excellent set of camping stove Collection! From High Sea to Summit, Man You simply Rock! Couldn't wait to see your next in-depth toe to toes multi-fuels stove comparison review video. THANK YOU SIR~! You Guys and Girls Stay Safe n Warm out there, Take Care Everyone~!!
Wow! You have a great experience! This video was very useful for me! Thank you and greetings from Russia!
I’ve had a Dragonfly for years, and can tell you that that mine has been has been used and abused without fail.
The legs are still very secure after being bounced around and dropped everywhere.
I’ve still got a 25?yr old Whisperlite that has never seen any maintenance, either.
They both work like the day I bought them. I’ve only ever had to lube the pump cup with olive oil now and then.
Great video. Thanks.
I love my dragonfly and my Whisperers as well... they're amazing and perform very good no problems either with the exception of cleaning the fuel line
Great video which will give a person all the information on choosing a stove!
I love this video. Thank you for the awesome info!
You definitely know your stuff when it comes to those heaters. Matter of fact it comes to camping I believe you have it pretty much beat. Well done.
Nice video. My wife is terrified that i will end up like you...I only have about 5 stoves but the collection is growing for some weird reason.
Bern A ha ha, that's terrible! lol
I have found over 60 years not that i'm too lazy to build a fire to cook over that a good quality mtn stove was the answer , next question was which one is the one that meets my needs ? well over 60 years 7 stoves so far and i'm looking for the magic number 8.. Could be worse, it could be golf clubs ..
to be honest if i go out in the woods half the fun is to grill something over fire. Never the less ive got countless kerosene vintage stoves in brass that i collect so i guess im not to far off the rockers😇😂
I have virtually all those stoves and a few other totaling 22. Not a bum one in the bunch! Correction on fuel line cleaning, the Simmerlite has a cleaning wire just like the Whisperlite, the Dragonfly wire is not a removable piece instead it uses a replaceable filter in the end of the fitting.
Just bought the Polaris. Thanks for the in depth reviews. Bought mine new and it looks used but nothing damaged. Can’t wait to try it out, it’s my first stove. Used to have a whisper light years ago but I never used it and it disappeared. This one will get used.
Just want to say thank you so much for giving up good videos good quality videos and once she have a good 218 God loves you I don't got those stones where I live take care your friend Floyd
MAN, YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW HELPFUL YOUR STOVE VIDEOS ARE.
I BOUGHT A DRAGONFLY, IT REALLY SEEMS THE MOST FLEXIBLE IN FUEL, STABLE AND ADJUSTABLE FLAME.
MY IDEA IS OPERATE WITH DIESEL MOSTLY BECAUSE I AM A TRUCK DRIVER, THEN FUEL WOULD BE FREE FOR ME.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR VIDEOS, THEY NOT JUST HELPED ME TO CHOOSE MY STOVE BUT LEAN THE MAINTENANCE AND OTHER TRICKS.
The best information on youtube ... thank you very much !!! I will definitely buy the Dragonfly ... a hug friend.
I work in a gasoline refinery lab your 100% correct the higher octane fuels always have higher gum content due to additives like raffinate. Always go for the lowest octane fuel for your stove
Wow now that's a nice collection of mtn stoves .. I thought i was bad of owning mtn stoves that go back almost 60 years .. Well done .. My very first mtn stove was the Svea 123 and no. 2 was the Optimus 8R both of which i still have and use them off and on (the good ol' days i guess)
In the 1980's i bought my first MSR stove, No. 3 Whisperlite and after that others followed .. No. 4 was the XGK which i still use .. No. 5 was the Simmerlite .. No. 6 was the Dragonfly (love that model.). No. 7 was the Snow Peak white gas model (no priming they pretty much figured it out ) The pump has a switch LIGHT or COOK.. Pump up the fuel bottle , attach the fuel line to the stove , move lever to LIGHT and light the burner and when blue flame appears , turn lever to COOK. and add more pumps to the fuel bottle .. .Neat.. Great simmer to it , and very quiet.. Knowing what i know now what is after all these years my number 1 favorite mtn stove ?
Dragonfly for a variety of reasons .. Just my history on liquid gas mtn stoves .. You did well i like your collection, you have some models i have never seen in the backcountry here .. To this day i still hear where people are afraid of white gas stoves.. ?? ya i don't know why .. just interesting as all..
Thank you for your beautiful suggestion..And your wonderful presentation is very useful Thank you
Thanks for the advice dude! MSR is probably gonna be my next purchase.
Happy new year buddy,nice set of stoves you got there
I just found this video and watched. I don't have a Gas Stove at all. and, thinking bout getting one or 2 for my Bug Out Trailer. So, I'm really checking out your video's on these. I'm fixing to watch your MSR Whisperlite Universal VS Optimus Polaris! video next to try and learn more bout these stoves.
Great info. I learned quite a bit in this video.
Thank you!!
That there be alot of stoves, good points on em all though, and like ya said, best stove is one you got!
Very cool video thank you for all the great information
Those $15 lixada stoves are hard to beat for occasional three season use. My nova is the original Brunton Optimus version with the quick release fuel line. It’s been on the most trips with me and it’s never let me down. It’s probably my favorite. My runner up is the pre-‘ex’ version of the Primus multifuel. It’s a lot like the xgk.
Great video. I haven’t had one since my youth. I’d like to get one one day.
Great Choices!
Superb review - thanks
Yeeeeeessssssss..... this is what I’m talkin about!
Yeah you’re right about low octane auto gasoline. Octane doesn’t have anything to do with Stove performance. I think I only own one of the msr stoves. It’s a whisperlite international that I bought purely for collection reasons. My biggest problem with the msr line has been the plastic pumps. It’s definitely the failure point of the system. Good news is that you can now use the Primus pump with the msr universal. Also the new msr pumps are ok. On my list of ‘stoves to get’ I still have a slot open for the old rigid fuel line xgk.
Its easy to convert the Whisperlite international to canister gas. no need to change jets- use white gas jet. Parts: 2" of 1/4" black rubber fuel hose-two hose clamps- "Campingmoon Z21-25" canister fuel hose and valve (amazon $20). Remove the male threaded Nindal fitting from the new fuel line with a wrench. insert the remaining nipple into the 1/4" rubber hose and secure with hose clamp. Push the rubber fuel hose onto the stove fuel line and clamp. Can still convert back to white gas
Excellent comment! I did a video 4 years ago on something similar with my dragonfly.
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I hiked the AT in 2000 and used an Xgk and an alcohol stove. The xgk saved my bacon in sub freezing to sub zero south near the end. I really appreciate your summary of the differences. I also would love a bombproof xgk that was multifuel and ran on canisters AND with simmer control. It’s supplant many of their other stoves though. Also just found a whisper light for 5$ at the thrift store now I know it’s a regular one, thanks again. If you hiked in 2000 maybe we passed each other!
Skeet... When I first opened the video I thought I was watching a part two from the movie Runaway with Tom Selleck. All the stoves look like the runaway spiders from the movie. Cool video.
I always thought it would be great if someone came up with a dedicated ‘kerosene only’ pump for the xgk that would have an air bleed valve to allow for precise simmering. That’s how a lot of the older kerosene stoves simmered and it’s pretty effective.
Awesome video
Hi, I like your stove videos a lot. You strike me as a stove fanatic like myself ;) I've been using the Primus Omnifuel for years, but for the last years I've mostly been using the Whisperlite and XGK. Ever had any near misses? My only close call, was a over pressurized Primus bottle which squirted gasoline from the seal between the flask and pump. This was in the front tent during a cold winter trip. Thankfully all went well.
Excellent presentation..thanks.
Thank you!!
I picked up the old whisperlite for only 5 bux! Pump/ bottle and all. The jet was fully clogged and the bottom fuel reservoir was almost impossible to screw off but great deal none the less
Very nice job. Very informative. I appreciate you effort. You are obviously an MSR guy so I was able to get a lot of good MSR info which has always baffled me because I am a Coleman guy. If you ever get an opportunity to test the Coleman Denali vs the MSR XGK I would love to see the comparison of heat output and water-boil times, etc, etc. I am not claiming one would be better than the other but I would be curious to see your results and your impressions of the Denali. (It is all fuel including diesel and jet and inverted cannister so it cxomes out as a liquid. They used that back around 2006. The Fyrestorm and Apollo stoves (TOTALLY different burner design) also use white gas and inverted cannister fuel. The Denali is the only Coleman stove that uses the flame spreader plate. That design is what most MSR stoves use. It always struck me as a primitive design, but it is effective and bomb-proof but noisy and wind sensitive. Its just a geyser of flame shooting up hitting the bottom of the flame diverter plate and spreading upwards around it! I prefer the Coleman burners but MSR is still in the stove business whereas Coleman is not, so that speaks volumes! THANKS AGAIN! GOOD JOB!
Tack.❤❤❤❤
Best is what you got for sure but I bet you pick the Polaris with the mod you did in another video.if I’m right I pick the universal as the prize haha👍 as always great video
So helpful thank you!
Thank you!!
I like the little one I got last year I made the video about don't remind what it was but for 5 dollars on sale at Walmart and it was 15 or 29 can't remember but it worked great but been 8 months and I never asked so I have to do anything if I don't use for a while. So I hope it still works this summer or spring. If not only out 5 dollars. I really need to get some parts fix my lanterns and stoves so I can give some away and sell my personal one to have extra money for the money spent on the ones I'm giving away. Still want to give sets up to 6 sets away to 6 kids. Well older teens. But great video loved it. Have a great week thanks for sharing god bless
+Danny Schwab good Afternoon brotha, it sounds like you got a good plan on your hands fixing up those old lanterns and stoves I love doing that. Thank you for stopping by and showing your support I hope you have a beautiful day as well and God bless you too
JIUJITSU2000 thanks sir. Well wish I was closer would love some help from someone smarter than me. Thanks for always being nice to me. Have a good one god bless
nice video Brotha lordy you got some nice stoves lol I'm digging that Whisperlite Universal LOL
Plumpy E ha ha, thank you brotha! I got into a few fistfights at the campground to get all these stoves for this video! lol
JIUJITSU2000 HAHAHAHAHA!
Yep, high octane not only has more additives, but if anything yields a performance decrease as the additives are there to stop it from igniting prematurely under the intense heat and pressure inside an engine. I've heard various numbers thrown around for octane rating on white gas, but it's generally 50-60, yet it provides higher heat output from stoves. I agree that if you don't mind the smell on startup and shutdown, automotive gas runs great.
Everyone I know that has an MSR product just loves them hopefully one day I'll be able to afford some of their gear
just a tip, you can also use liquid fuel on your whisperlite with the lindel canister connector using a primus himalaya pump
Dragonfly and a pocketrocket covers all the bases very well. Add a spare pump for the df and your really well equipped.
So far I'm looking at Dragonfly, WhisperLite Universal, and a PocketRocket 2 or a SuperFly. What I'm also looking into is whether one would need a WindPro II if they already have a WhisperLite Universal.
Am collector of gas stoves, esp Svea and knockoffs--Reminds me of old joke: a guy is plummeting from a very high altitude and sees someone rushing up toward him from the ground. The guy falling screams to the guy coming up ‘do you know anything about how to work parachutes??’ The guy flying back up screams ‘No! Do you know anything about Coleman stoves??’
Holy crap that's a lot of stoves. Your house looks like it's been invaded by alien spiders. I picked up the Whisperlite Universal thanks in part to your Whisperlite series, and it's a great stove. I keep it on reserve as my group powerhouse option. Otherwise, the Trangia is my baby.
Going with the MSR Whisper lite Stove
You should out Amazon links in the description.
Good video. Good collection of stoves. Which one would you say is your favorite and why? I like canister stoves but they get the pressurized with the cold weather in the winter. I would like to see what other company makes a liquid fuel backpacking stove other than MSR. The problem I have with the MSR is that the pot stand is not appropriate for a small pot. This is were canister stoves XL over MSR liquid stoves. Other than that I give my respects to MSR stoves. They are also considerably heavier than canister stoves. And the other hand, this is an area of backpacking where weight should not be the number one criteria to choose a stove. I like the snow peak Bipod stove because of the stability feature. Thank you so much for sharing this video. God bless you.
Nice collection. I sold a WindPro and a SimmerLite a several years ago and kick myself for doing it.
Another great video , now I'm totally confused .I need one Your pick is .??
BRS-11 stove baby!!!!
I picked up a new stove and LOVE it. It is a beautiful stove with a great flame pattern and a lot of power and feels like it is a quality stove. It is the Redcamp 4600W Canister stove. It isn't as versatile as your favorites but it is a great stove for medium-sized pots, and, althought you could classify it as a car-camping stove, I personally like it and I am quite pleased with its flame control and output.
I will be waiting for a head to head run with the stoves you are going to use ..should be good..
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Hi, great video. Have you ever used or reviewed the Brunton Vapor AF?
Have you ever had a stove fail? Or, how often do you have to replace o rings or other maintenance?
I don't have any canister stoves, haven't decided whether I want to get a "pocket rocket" type or one of those with the fuel line
+Kaylynn Strain I know of a very solid well performing one that i can recommend for you, if i get a little time away from work ill try to shoot a vr for you showing it
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jiujitsu2000 did you get any traction with MSR if they would make a XGK with flame control like on the dragonfly?
interesting that your whisperlite international has the wire legs of the original. I've never seen that before. Also you mention the whisper lite international running on diesel. Not according to the user manual. Orig is white gas only, international is white gas, unleaded, kerosene, universal adds canisters.
U can send ur whisperlite in to msr and they will overhaul it for 30 it will have will be upgrade to the international and have the fuel line as long as the univertal i just send mine in
Excellent info! Thank you
Higher octane fuel contain retardants that will not burn which slows down burning of fuel so it reduces engine knock but leaves deposits over time so detergents are added in the fuel but the larger carbon atoms (larger distillates) form over time from the burning fuel requiring the need to clean fuel line which is why MSR stoves have a reputation for quality and ease of field servicing.
Hi, I just got into these types of stoves and love all your videos. I wanted to know if you know of a multi fuel stove that also burns alcohol or a jet you can buy that would let them burn alcohol? Thank you for your time. Have a nice day!
Thank you. I don't know of any stove that will burn all these stoves and alcohol. Alcohol burns much differently.
@@jiujitsu2000 thank you so much for the reply. Who knows maybe someday they will have that. Technology is always moving. Have a great evening!
Optimus 111T is the only thing I've ever heard about, but it needs parts to make the switch
@@tidypog3272 thank you for the information. Have a good day.
I was a bit bummed when you cast aside the primus so quickly in that group. I'm mainly a fan for the beefy all metal pump. That's what worries me with MSR. I thought the jet was easy to clean with the little tool they come with, didn't even know about these self cleaning shaker jets till now. I thought I was an educated stove enthusiast until watching your video 😂
Where do we get the silencer plug?
can i use a msr xgk for simmering
The reason why is multifuel and dual fuel groups, is fuel preheating capasity. What happen if put gasoline and diesel mixt? When stove is for gasoline, no trouble with oils in safety issue. Mixture ratio depent how easy it ignite.
Have you tried Aviation fuel. AV gas 100?
Which of your stove burns kerosene the best?
I've always been confused as to why people say the whisperlite can't simmer. The valve on the pump could be used to adjust the amount of fuel coming out of the bottle, so theoretically, even without depressurizing the bottle, can't you just turn the valve down, let less gas out, and reduce the flame?
You can turn the valve down to minimize the amount of fuel to the stove, but it doesn't control it is fine is most people would like.
Would you say that there's a noticeable difference in actual cooking performance between using only the gas valve on the whisperlite (no depressurization) versus using the dedicated flame control valve on the polaris?
What happened to your Optimus Nova multifuel stove? That was a good stove.
I still have it. When i filmed the video it was with a friend on a trip. It's a great stove! In fact I bought another one!!
Sir make some vids about soto stormbreaker please
Can you send me a link where it is and I'll take a look?
I run the Whisperlite Universal because it’s quiteeee.
I run it with the canister attachment on hose and Canister jet with the Primus ergo pump. It will burn white gas and canister fuel with the UC canister jet. Best of both worlds and quite. The burner stoves are too loud for me.
And with the UC jet it burns white gas with no problem.
does msr replace broken fuel pumps?
They used to replace them for free, I went to headquarters to repair my XGK and they sell the pump at a discount
Like you and a lot of other people, I have a fairly substantial stove collection. Regarding you collection of stoves, I think you have missed an entire set of stoves that realistically, nearly every modern backpacker looks at and considers. What I'm referring to is the ultralight cannister stoves. I'm not talking about the stoves with the built in pot, I'm talking about the pocket rocket type stoves. Snow peak makes some great ones, and these stoves are incredibly light. They use titanium to reduce weight, and the stoves are extremely durable.
One thing that I think needs to be stressed here is the need for identifying what you are going to use the stove for, specifically what kind of situations are you going to be in?
Will you be going on a trip where you are packing everything with you and will be miles away from any kind of stores or conveniences?
Will you be travelling a lot, never knowing exactly what kind of fuel you will be able to find for your stove?
Will you be cooking for yourself only, or cooking for others?
The reality is multi fuel stoves are meaningless if you only brought one kind of fuel, and you are not around "civilization" during your trip. The original whisperlite is one of the most quiet white gas stoves on the market and is easily one of the most durable. They are also one, if not THE, lightest white gas stove out there. The coleman peak line of stoves are great for cooking, but are very heavy.
The realities of your stove choice really become more focused when you look at how your stove is going to be used for a specific trip. Cannister stoves are easily the best choice for early backpackers. They work every time and are typically very adjustable. The only issue is making sure you have more fuel than you will need for that specific trip and figuring out what you are going to do with the empty cannisters.
I think you should spend a bit more time stressing the need to understand how your stove is going to be used on a given trip. A lot of choices can be determined by how the stove is going to be used... The most important decision is, are you going to be travelling on planes with your stove? You cannot have fuel on an airplane and will need to buy fuel at your destination. If you are backpacking after driving and will be out for, say 5 days, you will most likely use one single kind of fuel and not need a multifuel stove. If you are new to backpacking, get a cannister stove and use it while you do more research... They're cheap and reliable...
Again, to me the single most important point should be how are you going to use the stove and then choose which stove fits that need...
good video where are your Colemans
Mando Torres great question, those are in different videos. These are all backpacking stoves
Why couldn't they make a Simerlite Universal that would enable smaller pots?
I didn't see a SVEA 123R !
have you ever used soto stoves?
I've seen them, but don't remember using them. :-)
their fuel pumps look very sturdy compared to the msr ones.
stoves look good too.
be nice if they sent you one to review!
Which is the noisiest stove?
XGK
yes!!!! i got the best stove in the universe!!!!! but dont whisper it too loud ;)
After using the MSR XGK-EX (marine issue) and the Optimus Polaris for a while now I have to say the Polaris is King of the Hill. The MSR fuel bottle design is dated and messy whereas the Polaris is advanced end no mess whatsoever. It runs the same fuels as the XGK without having to switch jets. Plus it packs down easier and has WAY better simmer control, both of which I have QuietCaps for. Also, on a lesser scale, the MSR lube has a tendency to open itself and get all over the toolkit.
The Polaris is also used by military. The Brittish Royal Marines and Im not sure if the Swedish forces use it since its a Swedish brand but they might do.
Best regards from Sweden
I actually feel like the dragonfly pot supports are more robust and stable than any other stove, including the XGK. The vertical supports transfer the weight of large pots directly into the ground without the force going through any joints or connections. With the XGK (and many other stoves) the pot supports act as lever arms and multiply the force, then all that force goes right into a flexible joint.
The best fuel is easily pure alkylate 4-stroke small engine gasoline. Ton of BTU's with no smell and no poisons... only CO2... Yeah, it's costly but hey... do ya burn 50 litres per year or what!?
Thanks i did not know that..
interesting that you don't use the commonly used type of stove that screw on to the top of fuel canister
Xkg or international
It depends on what the application is. If you just wanna boil water the XGK is awesome
I don't mind heavier gear I'd it's more reliable but I would like to make simple meals or bushpot meals. Definitely more cooking than just boil water.. is it crazy load when running
@@outdoorsman8498 one of my favorites is Whisperlite Universal
What, no Svea!!!
Why even mention discontinued stoves? Most viewing are likely viewing because they are in the market for purchase.