Gandhi was being himself. Hitler was being himself.... right? Does the end justifies the means? Fine line between being entertaining and being rude and abusive. Martinez was not raised properly.
@@alis05 everything is fair in love and war not everything is cakewalk on the pitch of football abuse racism fight and grudges many things are as well playing alongside
He didnt need to irritate his opponent, but he needed to take care of his own kickers knowing that Emi would do that. He should have taken the ball passed it to his kickers to ensure Emi doesnt go near them and give them encouragement. As a captain, he didnt do his job well.
@@messijordang9143 Firstly Argentina won the WC and Messi was a vital part of that team. He was surely their main player and should definitely be in the best XI of any person, even Penaldo fans. Pretty sure if he had the Welsh team they wouldnt have won it though. Secondly this was about Lloris and Emi not Messi. Lloris was dissapointing as a captain. Messi did his job as a captain after the Saudi loss by motivating his team. I didnt like the attitude of the.Argentina team but they deserved to win the final and most of the games they played. Kudos to them. This post was about Lloris failings not Messi.
Any professional footballer playing at the highest level should be able to deal with mind games...and tbf on emi at least he backs his trash talk and mind games rather than making himself look like a fool plus it's lloris fault he can't save a penalty if his life depended on it (no hate i respect lloris a lot)
One is not responsible for other's actions. That's their personal truth, you are either a self centered cheat or a decent person. It's called a moral code and karma with take care of it.
Respectfully, when my own country is on the line and everyone counts on me to guard the goal post, i would do anything in the realm of possibility to win. It doesn't matter if I'm timid, or shy, or introverted. My country's glory sits above my temporary cringe. I respect Lloris to not play dirty, but like Moreno said, save a fricking goal.
Did Martinez cheat? Did he break any rules? No. He did everything he could do on the field to maximize Argentina’s chances to win the World Cup. I don’t believe he made a fool outta himself. I believe he had a stellar performance and made one of the most important saves in football history
Martinez pushed the limits but nothing he did was illegal. When he got booked he stopped. And it worked. No French fan complaint when Henry's hand against Ireland in 2009 put them in the world cup....
Put them in the world cup is a bit misleading. It was not like Ireland was winning. France completely ran over Ireland in those extra times at a way I have seldom seen in international football. Of course had that goal not been allowed, it is possible Ireland might have gotten the win. But the tendancy some have to almost claim Ireland would have been in the world cup had the goal not been allowed is simply a falsification of history.
@@pechesintep8321 No I do not mean that. How can you even draw that conclusion from what I wrote??? It is just interesting how so many seems to want to push the narrative that it was essentially a certainty that Ireland would had qualified had that goal not been allowed. That is just a falsification of history.
@@dataandcolours the OP didn't say it was a certainty Ireland would make the world cup. They just said France wasn't complaining when they got away with something illegal. (Which I don't even blame Henry I blame the ref for not seeing it). But now they complain about something that is maybe questionable morally but not even illegal at all
"Haters" are gonna call it arrogance because they hate losing but it works for the guy. I was enjoying his antics. I however didnt like the mbappe thing outside of football in his celebration. But on the pitch. Players are gonna hate him but i'll enjoy him play all the way. Cause he can back up his attitude.
@@HerveBoisde right but when netherlands did that to lautaro, everyone says its justified. Right..... i see. Its only cheating if dibu dies it but if netherlands did it, it was part of the game.
Usually antagonizing players motivates them to prove you wrong, but Martinez is an exceptional antagonizer. He did the same thing in Copa America semis to substantial effect
What matters is a win. And Martinez the man went above and beyond for the role he got for the world cup. He rose through ashes. He came from the depths of drought seasons in his professional life to the top. Give the man respect.
@@keonwilliams9938 He's earned everything he has achieved, for sure. I've never seen him as a top tier GK, but at his best he's definitely a high tier GK.
Lol he didnt 'attacked' son.. he was angry with son because son didnt pressure the opponent when defending.. as a captain there is no problem with that..
@@ahmadfahim5885& as a goalkeeper its almost a given that you will get scored on from the penalty spot so if you can disrupt the other players focus by doing whats allowed by the rules then also there is no problem with that
@@christophermartinez2608 it's become ridiculous the tearing up of the turf where the penalty spot, the exorbitant delay to take a penalty caused by keepers and the overt continuous unsportsmanlike verbal barrage lobbied by keepers if far too much. Football despite its competitiveness is a gentleman's game. You get a yellow card if a ball is coming about to be cleared by a defender and you shout 'leave it' or 'mine' or anything impersonating the opposition you HAVE to say your name. If we continue down this line we could argue defenders shouldn't fall for the tricks of attackers. When the ball is taken out of play because of an injury or any interruption of play the team returns the ball to the other team it could be argued they should be able to maintain that advantage??? It's silly I don't like Lloris as an arsenal fan but he's right and it's part of the reason Martinez was never a long term option for us.
Everyone making excuses. He's so respectful of his opponents but not to his own team mates? Op is correct. Attacking your own teammates helps them play better but challenging the opponent team is in bad taste?
"There are some things I can't do. Catching a ball like a professional goalkeeper, not scoring a hilarious own goal in a North London derby, playing for a club that wins trophies." - Hugo Butterfingers Lloris
I respect Hugo lloris, he is one of the most professional players. I agree with Alexandero Moreno also, I have never seen lorries making a save, also when people are criticizing martinez, they do not even know the reason. Yes he used some tricks and yes he played with the mind of his opponent, but then what about Sergio Ramos, and what about forwards when they try to fake a dive to get a penalty is that not cheating?
I mean people do go on about diving forwards look at neymar and for Ramos, a lot of people criticize him for some of the stupid things he’s done. The difference is that those players in theory are world class in clubs that are actually respect, it’s different to Martinez who comes back to Aston villa of all clubs. Plus it did seem weird that he really targeted Mbappe during the celebrations. Seemed very personal
@@escape2nirvana I agree that he plays for a small club in Aston villa and that he made fun of Mbappe. You did not mention that it was mbappe who instigated the topic when he made fun of South American football, he said that South American football nations are not as good as European nations. Also please do not forget that it was martinez who saved La Albiceleste in two of the most intense matches in copa America and FIFA World Cup. Save that he made in the final at the dying minutes was for me the save of the lifetime.
@@riteshramanbindra4991Mbappe didn’t make fun of South American football, although his statement was wrong you have to admit that until this year every World Cup has been won by a European nation. Most of the South American sides cannot compete anymore. Apart from Argentina and Brazil what country would France Spain Germany England be afraid to play ? Ecuador ? Chile ? I think not. The standard is lower to be fair. But also your last point Mbappe literally bullied Martinez on his own bringing his team within penalty kicks of winning back to back world cups. That is impressive and to be fair probably more impressive than Martinez dancing like an idiot.
@@escape2nirvana Spain died in 2012, Germany couldn't make it out of group stages for the past 2 world cups, the last time England played a world cup final was 1966. Italy didn't even play in last 2 world cups so basically it's just France and it's African colonies did well in a world in the past 2 world cups so what you said doesn't make sense
@@BC-mj7gj bruh you’re an idiot for that France comment. Second despite all that they are still heavy favorites. I’m not saying they’ll win every time but those couple of nations are just better than the other South American countries that are not Argentina or Brazil. That’s just the truth. Fucking dumbass.
To be honest in the penalty shootout , France except Mbappe looked the more nervous of the two teams. Probably has to do with the Martinez save in 123' of the game.
Argentina has won more PK shootouts at the World Cup than any other team in history. The only PK loss we've *ever* had was when the Germans injured our starting goalkeeper during the game. And Emi Martinez saved THREE pens in the Copa America '21 semifinal. So the French were right to be nervous.
After winning the worldcup and saving 2 penalties, Martinez said he was bad because he couldn't save the first penalty of M3P. =)))) Hugo couldn't save at least one in the final.
I love how Shannon said one day “ don’t like me dancing and celebrating do something about it” they had 120+ mins to win the game and shut this guy up but failed. Now you can say the refs this and that it came down too a stretch leg from Martinez to save his country from losing and they beat them fair an square in the shootout next time y’all face each other coke ready to play not wait til min 80 to wake up
Well said by Ali. It is a world Cup competition. Emi had done what he needed most to win a world Cup that is saving penalty. Well done Emi. Everything is fare in war.
He’s not hating. Some people just don’t have that personality. I can’t see Messi doing all those antics and trying to put opponents off. It’s just facts.
Pls. Being honest and knowing when to stop talking aren't the same. He could've just said as you pointed out, we have different personalities or that's just not my style. he worded it in a very inflammatory way. That goes a bit beyond just honesty.
So Lloris is going to get moralistic about Emi's mind games, but had no problem driving whilst drunk. Nor has he had any problem playing with someone who tried to blackmail a other teammate, or playing with guys who were trafficking underage prostitutes, or even teammates who have been found guilty of domestically abusing their partners. The suggestion that this France team has the moral high ground is laughable.
@@bddb391 Sure, in a way. It was a bit of an inappropriate gesture rather than insulting. But he had the guts, he had the courage, and he had the ability. Players growing evermore cocky before they themselves hold the award is increasingly growing. While I wouldn’t hold the Golden Glove to my genitalia, very reasonable to be a little rowdy
@@bddb391 "inapprotiate gesture" does not even compare with driving whilst drunk, playing with someone who tried to blackmail a other teammate and playing with guys who were trafficking underage prostitutes. Save "really wrong" for Lloris
You mean for the Spurs. Even then in 9 years how many goals did he avoided ?.. don t treat him like a Pickford or a DeGea. He s your (and mine) effing captain. Mine won a World Cup and went to theee finals
@@jimshelley8831 you re sherry picking. Call his performance for Tottenham, stay in your lane , don t judge his France performance you re clearly out of your element. Period
Hugo know full well he doesn’t have the attributes needed. Emi is more instinctive and explosive, reactionary. That’s what won him the penalty shoot out not celebrating and talking
France will have the last laugh when they win the next WC. They are built to win. Argentina are finished. They will have to rely on old man messi to get to the final haha. Abhinav you will be crying salty tears very soon.
@@davidharrow9025 you Sound SALTY WHITE BOY…are you willing to make that BET? I guess time will TELL…ALWAYS REMEMBER “INJURIES ARE PART OF THE GAME “..
Everyone is different. Not everyone is gonna behave the way we want them to behave. That's why we get captivated when we see athletes like Martinez do what they do whether we like them or not, because they go outside the status quo of personalities. Lloris is a stoic professional who does the right thing and a lot of people like that. Martinez is a wild guy who likes to taunt opponents and mess with their heads and alot of people like that too. It's useless to pin them against each other and debate which one is better why dont we just enjoy both of them while we have them
Professional goalkeeper with so much experience would have handled it better and focused on the situation. Rather than complaining about the past. Media is taking advantage of the spark and making big fire 🔥🔥🔥...
That shyness and lack of confidence is why Hugo couldn't save one! and that Extroversion and confidence is the reason why Martinez took the game for AR!
@@abrahamgn3614 exactly, like most keepers. Hence why he got to comprehend that Emi’s mind games are relevant because he made sure he saved pks at crucial times.
@@abrahamgn3614 Does in fact if you realize that Martinez’s intense and confident behavior is what threw off France’s penalty scorers. It is a move to get into that players mindset and disorientate them. Having a stoic behavior does little to no good if you want to complicate your competitors head.
@woedemure if the penalty taker doesn't score, that is entirely their fault and has nothing to do with the keeper. At most, the keeper can guess where the taker is going to go and get lucky, but even if he waits like martinez does until the last second before diving, it is possible to place the penalty so perfectly that it would be impossible to save for any keeper. Also, dibu is given TOO much credit for his antics. That's just how he is because he was raised improperly. He's done those things before and yet players have scored penalties past him nonetheless (*cough* Mbappe three penalties in one game *cough*)
Some people are born with certain characteristics, and can not change no matter how hard they try. I respect both goalkeepers for their own unique characteristic
It's all banter, the only rule is that it should never become personal. Martinez up until now has been okay, the celebration with the trophy was a bit much becaus families were watching... Other than that he's been entertaining.
@@KlepacMovies Emi is a big game player, and probably the fastest (in terms of reaction time) goalkeeper out there, he fakes his standing foot and reacts instead of predicting where the ball will go
Hugo is not only goalkeeper but captain of a French side that were defending champions so he has experienced that before hence the composure..on the other hand Emi Martinez and Argentina was on the cusp of winning the World Cup after 3 decades so for Emi at that moment he is gonna act like that...cant blame him
Any professional footballer playing at the highest level should be able to deal with mind games...and tbf on emi at least he backs his trash talk and mind games rather than making himself look like a fool plus it's lloris fault he can't save a penalty if his life depended on it (no hate i respect lloris a lot)
Said the man who only yell at Son after half time. Technically, till this day, I still don't understand how he can occupy GK of French national team so long. Mandanda was much better imo. I can't find a better word than phony that suit him well.
Simple, fifa should give Yellow cards for taunting. They do in the NFL. It's Under "unsportsmanlike conduct" Same as taking off your T-shirt during a game or taunting and injured player. These kind of signalling to your opponent should not be allowed under the law
but i feel like it’s the same thing with time wasting, it’s part of the game and if it helps it helps. i feel like people only feel a type of way because emi genuinely doesn’t care. like no one cares when other players are not giving the ball back for throw in when a team is one nil down or going to the corner to waste time. it’s the same thing but now it’s a keeper doing it and he’s good at it
How was he being crass? Are strikers being crass when they do celebrations or even elaborate celebrations after they score a goal? So a goalkeeper celebrating after saving the most important kicks of the game is being crass? Emi didn't lash out at anyone, he didn't insult anyone, he didn't put a red rubber nose and jump like a clown on the goal. Emi looked like a world beater.
He did act like he's been there before, that's why his team lifted the World Cup and France are still crying. The only thing that could be considered crass was the baby Mbappe doll, on the football pitch he was exactly what he was supposed to be. It wasn't an afternoon tea gathering, it was the final of the football world cup but you being an American won't understand it.
I think you mean "in the United States of America" because I'm from Brazil which is also in the continent of America and I have not heard that saying before
@Sanjay Chamling Rai I never said he didn't deserve a big club my comment was of the bigger clubs who is he doing to take the number 1 position from and if he is better than that number 1 keeper. WC is not as competitive then most major domestic leagues or the champions league. There's alot of luck involved in getting to the WC. Let's not make one tournament performance over inflate someone.
You can be mannered if you want, Loris. Allow the new hero to be himself. Jealousy is making you go south. Imagine your poor performances these days. I wonder why Tottenham still see you as number 1.
Like Danny Murphy said in talkSPORT when gk for under his skin and he missed a pen - said the miss was on him as he let keeper get under his skin so his fault not gk who doing his job
Any team would much rather have a martinez instead of lloris in their team. You would love to have someone like him in your team but definitely hate it if they are in your opponents'.
I didn't like what Emi Martinez did with the trophy, but as for what he was doing on the field, absolutely all for it!! If you can help increase the chance of winning by a fraction of a percent, you do whatever you need to do to win!
I loved that argentina won(especially my boy messi) and for me,martinez’s is a legend for his saves,especially that last min save which would have won France the world cup(fyi,was crying😂)but winning is not most important thing,i agree with lloris 100%.being a gentlemen matters more for me and many others.however,not all would agree,winning matters more for some and its just a matter of perspective.nothing wrong with either stance…hugo is a gentle giant❤
I can't advocate for Emi's antics. But Lloris has taken an easier answer to getting defeated at pens. Emi is great at penalties despite the antics. The dives are the biggest stretch you see as if he knows it's his way. There is no doubt in those dives. Maybe he also has a better study of the striker's body positioning. Sweep this all under the rug and choosing the antics for his success and your defeat is sort of sad coming from a football great.
He should be more worried about the tactics France uses to win. Parking the bus when you have the best selection in the world is disrespectful to football. Those are tactics for the underdog...
I mean that's the thing. That attitude is a double bladed sword. Win like that and you are a beast! Lose acting like that and people will make fun of you for being a loser and a clown. There is no in between. This year Dibu just won it!
Right. This is coming from a guy who has never saved a pk in a pk shootout. Just retire buddy. This man exceeded all expectations by a long shot because he is always always always due for an error and even with that he still managed to have a long career and win a World Cup.
@@BC-mj7gj What are you talking about? No he didn't, he said that South American football isn't very competitive because Brazil and Argentina are the only "strong' teams on that continent
@@falkevanlaerewhich is false we have seen team like Ecuador and uruaguay perform at the world cup the word of mbappe we’re presumptuous at the least that doesn’t justifies every action of martinez
You just got to play your game, if that kind of stuff is in your game do it and if it’s not then don’t. There’s not much to this, always play your game
Too many people writing that it's jealousy. Keep in mind that Lloris has won the World Cup as well. Don't mind it if he plays mind games *before* the PK's. Whatever it takes. But holding the glove award to his crotch, the Mbappe doll, the song towards Mbappe all occurred *after* he won. This is not mind games but rather a lack of class. Previous recent World Cup-winning GK's, Lloris, Neuer, Casillas, Buffon, Marcos, etc would never be crude this way. This is a lack of education and decency.
Martinez did what he had to do to win, if lloris didn't want to, that's on him. Lots of ppl have done sketchy things to achieve success, things that NEEDED to be done if they were to ever get an advantage. This is life sometimes, no sense in looking at things so black and white.
It’s kind of not fair play, but it’s also just mind games. It’s not a foul or anything. You do look like a clown if it doesn’t work… but if it does you’re the man.
Lloris has 2 be 1 of the worst penalty stoppers of all time, the guy has only like 13% stopped so i dont really understand why france didnt keep 1 sub 2 change the goalkeeper cause thats where they lost it 13% against 40% penalty stop rate is ridiculous
What if Argentina lost the match. There wouldn't be much debate about Martinez. Everybody has their own gameplay to win and Martinez was really effective at it. Something new approach in football i should say which has everybody being talking since they won with Martinez gameplay playing a big part in it.
@@user-sx3pu3pv6q yes my glasses saw Argentina winning the world cup 2022 and all these France sore loser still crying the fact that they lost and played 75 mints of world cup final with nothing to offer.
That's not dirty though. It's war. France was the best team at World Cup. In order to pull off an upset, you need a a guy getting into opponents head. American Football does it. Boxers do it. This guy seems butthurt France lost.
That's the thing about Argentines. They do will everything and anything to win. Their attitude is to win they must suffer first. It's not the first time and certainly not the most extreme thing an Argentine has done in a World Cup.
Remember Lloris never said anything about his way of playing being the “right way” or took the moral high ground. He simply stated that he is not comfortable behaving like that during a football game.
Emi Martinez was being himself. Hugo Lloris was being himself. Authenticity is what matters and makes football entertaining.
Gandhi was being himself. Hitler was being himself.... right? Does the end justifies the means? Fine line between being entertaining and being rude and abusive. Martinez was not raised properly.
@@alis05 I wouldn't use Hitler in this case but fair enough Emi is a d@ckhead however these folks are apart of life, deal with it.
@@alis05 everything is fair in love and war not everything is cakewalk on the pitch of football abuse racism fight and grudges many things are as well playing alongside
@@EgoHead710 who's saying I'm not dealing with it? It's not about me and it's not my fault if you don't understand what a metaphor is.
@@alis05 Abusive?????? In what way was Dibu Martinez being abusive?
He didnt need to irritate his opponent, but he needed to take care of his own kickers knowing that Emi would do that. He should have taken the ball passed it to his kickers to ensure Emi doesnt go near them and give them encouragement. As a captain, he didnt do his job well.
@@messijordang9143 Firstly Argentina won the WC and Messi was a vital part of that team. He was surely their main player and should definitely be in the best XI of any person, even Penaldo fans. Pretty sure if he had the Welsh team they wouldnt have won it though.
Secondly this was about Lloris and Emi not Messi. Lloris was dissapointing as a captain. Messi did his job as a captain after the Saudi loss by motivating his team. I didnt like the attitude of the.Argentina team but they deserved to win the final and most of the games they played. Kudos to them.
This post was about Lloris failings not Messi.
@Messi Jordan G get a life dotard
Any professional footballer playing at the highest level should be able to deal with mind games...and tbf on emi at least he backs his trash talk and mind games rather than making himself look like a fool plus it's lloris fault he can't save a penalty if his life depended on it (no hate i respect lloris a lot)
One is not responsible for other's actions. That's their personal truth, you are either a self centered cheat or a decent person. It's called a moral code and karma with take care of it.
@@messijordang9143you sound super slow. Listen more than you talk
Respectfully, when my own country is on the line and everyone counts on me to guard the goal post, i would do anything in the realm of possibility to win. It doesn't matter if I'm timid, or shy, or introverted. My country's glory sits above my temporary cringe. I respect Lloris to not play dirty, but like Moreno said, save a fricking goal.
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Do whatever it takes to win and make your country proud.
@@kennymichaelalanya7134 hahaha 🤣 doing like dog 🐕???how could you say, whatever?do you know what is sports mean???
The thing is Martinez didn't even dirty.. Kicking the ball by some meters away isn't dirty..
@@kennymichaelalanya7134Suarez lives by this motto
Did Martinez cheat? Did he break any rules? No. He did everything he could do on the field to maximize Argentina’s chances to win the World Cup. I don’t believe he made a fool outta himself. I believe he had a stellar performance and made one of the most important saves in football history
Martinez pushed the limits but nothing he did was illegal. When he got booked he stopped. And it worked. No French fan complaint when Henry's hand against Ireland in 2009 put them in the world cup....
Put them in the world cup is a bit misleading. It was not like Ireland was winning. France completely ran over Ireland in those extra times at a way I have seldom seen in international football. Of course had that goal not been allowed, it is possible Ireland might have gotten the win. But the tendancy some have to almost claim Ireland would have been in the world cup had the goal not been allowed is simply a falsification of history.
So you mean Henry did that hand ball was right, .... Why don't you coach Loris to used emi tactics
@@pechesintep8321 No I do not mean that. How can you even draw that conclusion from what I wrote??? It is just interesting how so many seems to want to push the narrative that it was essentially a certainty that Ireland would had qualified had that goal not been allowed. That is just a falsification of history.
@@dataandcolours the OP didn't say it was a certainty Ireland would make the world cup. They just said France wasn't complaining when they got away with something illegal. (Which I don't even blame Henry I blame the ref for not seeing it). But now they complain about something that is maybe questionable morally but not even illegal at all
It’s the personality! Haters call it arrogance while fans call it character !
"Haters" are gonna call it arrogance because they hate losing but it works for the guy. I was enjoying his antics. I however didnt like the mbappe thing outside of football in his celebration. But on the pitch. Players are gonna hate him but i'll enjoy him play all the way. Cause he can back up his attitude.
It’s also borderline cheating but that’s just me
@@HerveBoisdeit’s cheating when you try to get in the opponents head ? Lol ok
@@HerveBoisde right but when netherlands did that to lautaro, everyone says its justified. Right..... i see. Its only cheating if dibu dies it but if netherlands did it, it was part of the game.
@@shakirakashah8590 Netherlands goalkeeper threw the ball away and made the penalty kicker run after it? I didn’t see that
Usually antagonizing players motivates them to prove you wrong, but Martinez is an exceptional antagonizer. He did the same thing in Copa America semis to substantial effect
master of mind games
What matters is a win. And Martinez the man went above and beyond for the role he got for the world cup. He rose through ashes. He came from the depths of drought seasons in his professional life to the top. Give the man respect.
I do think he cannot do it. And he couldn't fake it, either. You need to have that within you.
It also makes Lloris a much worse PK stopper.
That maybe true but you can't deny that Hugo Lloris has been one of the best goalkeepers for France that why they won the world cup 4 years ago.
@@keonwilliams9938 He's earned everything he has achieved, for sure. I've never seen him as a top tier GK, but at his best he's definitely a high tier GK.
@@Wladislav That's what I said man
@@keonwilliams9938 yeh I agree. I think he's a he'll of a keeper, one of the best.
Lloris won the WC mind you.
He is so respectful toward others, except that time that he attacked Son!
Lol he didnt 'attacked' son.. he was angry with son because son didnt pressure the opponent when defending.. as a captain there is no problem with that..
@@ahmadfahim5885& as a goalkeeper its almost a given that you will get scored on from the penalty spot so if you can disrupt the other players focus by doing whats allowed by the rules then also there is no problem with that
@@christophermartinez2608 it's become ridiculous the tearing up of the turf where the penalty spot, the exorbitant delay to take a penalty caused by keepers and the overt continuous unsportsmanlike verbal barrage lobbied by keepers if far too much.
Football despite its competitiveness is a gentleman's game. You get a yellow card if a ball is coming about to be cleared by a defender and you shout 'leave it' or 'mine' or anything impersonating the opposition you HAVE to say your name. If we continue down this line we could argue defenders shouldn't fall for the tricks of attackers. When the ball is taken out of play because of an injury or any interruption of play the team returns the ball to the other team it could be argued they should be able to maintain that advantage???
It's silly I don't like Lloris as an arsenal fan but he's right and it's part of the reason Martinez was never a long term option for us.
And hugged it out soon afterwards. Grasping at straws here.
Everyone making excuses. He's so respectful of his opponents but not to his own team mates? Op is correct. Attacking your own teammates helps them play better but challenging the opponent team is in bad taste?
“Just make a save” 😂❤🇦🇷
This man has never made a save in more than 5 penalty shoot outs, maybe it's about time he studied Emi.
Ale is winning a Grammy for “Make a Save.”
"There are some things I can't do. Catching a ball like a professional goalkeeper, not scoring a hilarious own goal in a North London derby, playing for a club that wins trophies." - Hugo Butterfingers Lloris
Letting croatia get a free goal in tge 2018 finals.
@@shakirakashah8590 still saved an powerful messi shot at 90'7 in the world cup final
@@jaserkhelfa2 and still lost to penalties moments after.
@@shakirakashah8590 neuer was right no matter how many saves goalkeepers make people only remember their mistakes
He forgot france qualified for the World cup 2010 because of Henry's handball against Ireland all that to be eliminated in group stage...
I respect Hugo lloris, he is one of the most professional players. I agree with Alexandero Moreno also, I have never seen lorries making a save, also when people are criticizing martinez, they do not even know the reason.
Yes he used some tricks and yes he played with the mind of his opponent, but then what about Sergio Ramos, and what about forwards when they try to fake a dive to get a penalty is that not cheating?
I mean people do go on about diving forwards look at neymar and for Ramos, a lot of people criticize him for some of the stupid things he’s done. The difference is that those players in theory are world class in clubs that are actually respect, it’s different to Martinez who comes back to Aston villa of all clubs. Plus it did seem weird that he really targeted Mbappe during the celebrations. Seemed very personal
@@escape2nirvana I agree that he plays for a small club in Aston villa and that he made fun of Mbappe.
You did not mention that it was mbappe who instigated the topic when he made fun of South American football, he said that South American football nations are not as good as European nations.
Also please do not forget that it was martinez who saved La Albiceleste in two of the most intense matches in copa America and FIFA World Cup.
Save that he made in the final at the dying minutes was for me the save of the lifetime.
@@riteshramanbindra4991Mbappe didn’t make fun of South American football, although his statement was wrong you have to admit that until this year every World Cup has been won by a European nation. Most of the South American sides cannot compete anymore. Apart from Argentina and Brazil what country would France Spain Germany England be afraid to play ? Ecuador ? Chile ? I think not. The standard is lower to be fair. But also your last point Mbappe literally bullied Martinez on his own bringing his team within penalty kicks of winning back to back world cups. That is impressive and to be fair probably more impressive than Martinez dancing like an idiot.
@@escape2nirvana Spain died in 2012, Germany couldn't make it out of group stages for the past 2 world cups, the last time England played a world cup final was 1966. Italy didn't even play in last 2 world cups so basically it's just France and it's African colonies did well in a world in the past 2 world cups so what you said doesn't make sense
@@BC-mj7gj bruh you’re an idiot for that France comment. Second despite all that they are still heavy favorites. I’m not saying they’ll win every time but those couple of nations are just better than the other South American countries that are not Argentina or Brazil. That’s just the truth. Fucking dumbass.
Lloris: I am too rational
Also lloris: drunk and driving regularly 😂
Come on bro 🤦 are we still talking about world cup after One keeper did everything he could for his country and the other one couldn't do it
Hugo part of the reason they went to Pk’s… Use ure brain buddy….
martinez mad a fool out of himself with the celebration, hes just a clown
@@cigancigo1669 no he didn’t he made you guys envy. Stupid
@@goatstatusj5112 🤣😂 yeah right they went to penalties thanks to the ref giving Mbampe 2 penalties
@@cigancigo1669 whatever it takes to win dumbass
To be honest in the penalty shootout , France except Mbappe looked the more nervous of the two teams. Probably has to do with the Martinez save in 123' of the game.
Ikr the whole France was scared shitless, even Mbappe before min 80'
@@harrison6828 stfu you are a couch boy watching.
Argentina has won more PK shootouts at the World Cup than any other team in history. The only PK loss we've *ever* had was when the Germans injured our starting goalkeeper during the game. And Emi Martinez saved THREE pens in the Copa America '21 semifinal. So the French were right to be nervous.
Whereas if you look at penalties...
Messi's and dybala's were easiest to save....any other keeper would have saved those.
@@SonGoku-zd6eo Ikr? The french goalkeeper could have saved Messi kick.
After winning the worldcup and saving 2 penalties, Martinez said he was bad because he couldn't save the first penalty of M3P. =)))) Hugo couldn't save at least one in the final.
I love how Shannon said one day “ don’t like me dancing and celebrating do something about it” they had 120+ mins to win the game and shut this guy up but failed.
Now you can say the refs this and that it came down too a stretch leg from Martinez to save his country from losing and they beat them fair an square in the shootout next time y’all face each other coke ready to play not wait til min 80 to wake up
Well said by Ali. It is a world Cup competition. Emi had done what he needed most to win a world Cup that is saving penalty. Well done Emi. Everything is fare in war.
"Make the save, make the save, make the save for the team!" 😂
"MAKE THE RUN FOR THE TEAM!"
Playing differently isn't the same as playing wrong
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@1:48. The look he gives Ale Moreno says it all.
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He’s not hating. Some people just don’t have that personality. I can’t see Messi doing all those antics and trying to put opponents off. It’s just facts.
Messi wouldn't come out to say what Lloris said either after losing a world cup final...
@@osahonhope303 He was asked a question and he answered honestly. Maybe Messi isn’t a honest man then.
Pls. Being honest and knowing when to stop talking aren't the same. He could've just said as you pointed out, we have different personalities or that's just not my style. he worded it in a very inflammatory way. That goes a bit beyond just honesty.
@@osahonhope303 Get off of his nutsack
@@neikomccalla2623 He could have simply said he wouldn't act that way...There was no need to add adjectives that are an indirect shade...
Brilliant from Ale Moreno👏👏
You made a fool of yourself in goal by being unable to save a single penalty my friend 😂😂😂😂
Lol
So Lloris is going to get moralistic about Emi's mind games, but had no problem driving whilst drunk. Nor has he had any problem playing with someone who tried to blackmail a other teammate, or playing with guys who were trafficking underage prostitutes, or even teammates who have been found guilty of domestically abusing their partners. The suggestion that this France team has the moral high ground is laughable.
Well said 👏🏼👏🏼, never thought about it from your angle.
But everything Martinez did AFTER the game was really wrong.
@@bddb391 Sure, in a way. It was a bit of an inappropriate gesture rather than insulting. But he had the guts, he had the courage, and he had the ability. Players growing evermore cocky before they themselves hold the award is increasingly growing. While I wouldn’t hold the Golden Glove to my genitalia, very reasonable to be a little rowdy
@@bddb391 "inapprotiate gesture" does not even compare with driving whilst drunk, playing with someone who tried to blackmail a other teammate and playing with guys who were trafficking underage prostitutes. Save "really wrong" for Lloris
Give it a rest, other keepers have done this . Lloris should work on all the mistakes he makes very frequently .
You mean for the Spurs. Even then in 9 years how many goals did he avoided ?.. don t treat him like a Pickford or a DeGea. He s your (and mine) effing captain. Mine won a World Cup and went to theee finals
@@romainviry3185 he makes many mistakes for Spurs & France including in the WC win over Croatia.
He's ready world champion with class in 2018. You can win with class or like a punk. C'est à l'histoire de juger!
@@jimshelley8831 you re sherry picking. Call his performance for Tottenham, stay in your lane , don t judge his France performance you re clearly out of your element. Period
He retires already though
Yeh, Martinez will be sad after hearing that. TBH, what he achieved? A world cup and the golden gloves 😆😆
You do realized that Lloris is a world cup winner?...
@@gergoszederjesi4351 you do realize lloris has always been a mid goal keeper 😂
@@gergoszederjesi4351 you do realize lloris has always been a mid goal keeper 😂
@@gergoszederjesi4351 so is Emi and more importantly Emi is current world champion
@@josewayy And yet he is still has a world cup medal at home just like Martinez and didn't have to make a fool of himself
Hugo Lloris is salty that Martinez is better than him at saving Penalties.
People bring up ethics as an excuse for being not good enough.
Hugo know full well he doesn’t have the attributes needed.
Emi is more instinctive and explosive, reactionary.
That’s what won him the penalty shoot out not celebrating and talking
Not salty. Just honest I suppose. Emi did what he had to do and it worked. Loris isn't built that way personality wise.
France will have the last laugh when they win the next WC. They are built to win. Argentina are finished. They will have to rely on old man messi to get to the final haha. Abhinav you will be crying salty tears very soon.
@@davidharrow9025 france will take another 68 years to win a World Cup
@@davidharrow9025 you Sound SALTY WHITE BOY…are you willing to make that BET? I guess time will TELL…ALWAYS REMEMBER “INJURIES ARE PART OF THE GAME “..
Everyone is different. Not everyone is gonna behave the way we want them to behave. That's why we get captivated when we see athletes like Martinez do what they do whether we like them or not, because they go outside the status quo of personalities. Lloris is a stoic professional who does the right thing and a lot of people like that. Martinez is a wild guy who likes to taunt opponents and mess with their heads and alot of people like that too. It's useless to pin them against each other and debate which one is better why dont we just enjoy both of them while we have them
Frank looking at Ale “this guy….”
Professional goalkeeper with so much experience would have handled it better and focused on the situation. Rather than complaining about the past. Media is taking advantage of the spark and making big fire 🔥🔥🔥...
That shyness and lack of confidence is why Hugo couldn't save one!
and that Extroversion and confidence is the reason why Martinez took the game for AR!
Nope
@@abrahamgn3614 Yes, Lloris was useless at Penalties
@The Man With Nothing To Lose like most keepers..
@@abrahamgn3614 exactly, like most keepers. Hence why he got to comprehend that Emi’s mind games are relevant because he made sure he saved pks at crucial times.
@@clinchknot8224 🙄🤦♂️
Too rational and too honest. He's too salty as well.
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Still in pain🤣. We all have different personalities so it doesn't make sense from Lloris.
Rene Higuita was also a peculiar goalkeeper with his scorpion kick and way of dressing . He was called the "loco".
If Hugo didn't have the personality of a cardboard cutout
He might have put off one of the Argentina penalty takers
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
That literally makes no sense
@@abrahamgn3614 Does in fact if you realize that Martinez’s intense and confident behavior is what threw off France’s penalty scorers. It is a move to get into that players mindset and disorientate them. Having a stoic behavior does little to no good if you want to complicate your competitors head.
@woedemure if the penalty taker doesn't score, that is entirely their fault and has nothing to do with the keeper. At most, the keeper can guess where the taker is going to go and get lucky, but even if he waits like martinez does until the last second before diving, it is possible to place the penalty so perfectly that it would be impossible to save for any keeper. Also, dibu is given TOO much credit for his antics. That's just how he is because he was raised improperly. He's done those things before and yet players have scored penalties past him nonetheless (*cough* Mbappe three penalties in one game *cough*)
@@abrahamgn3614 were you there when he was raised.
L comment from someone that wasn't raised properly👎
Some people are born with certain characteristics, and can not change no matter how hard they try.
I respect both goalkeepers for their own unique characteristic
"my country was to win the world cup" sums it up
That was a funny story and lesson Luis shared towards the end 🤣
I love how Frank LeBouef was congratulating him on that shithousery while laughing at the story
Well said Ale
I think he can't do it... i mean stopping a single penalty kick
Oh man this man talking about integrity and being self righteous
Have you forgotten you fought with your own teammate Son at Tottenham?
At the end of the day emi made right jumps and saves
Loris should shut up. He's just jealous. His time as a good goalkeeper has passed. Martinez is doing very well
It's all banter, the only rule is that it should never become personal. Martinez up until now has been okay, the celebration with the trophy was a bit much becaus families were watching... Other than that he's been entertaining.
If you don't want to rely on antics, better be very good at what you do.
Kind of funny that Emi is good at both😅
@@KlepacMovies Emi is a big game player, and probably the fastest (in terms of reaction time) goalkeeper out there, he fakes his standing foot and reacts instead of predicting where the ball will go
But you could've at least tried to save some of those PKs, right?
Emi Martinez right now is the best goalkeeper for me 💥💥💥😉
Yet he plays for Aston villa 🤷♂️
@@nickchemist723 yet he still won the world cup, copa america and finalissima😂🖕
@nickchemist723 Emi is the only reason why Argentina won both Copa America and World Cup. His country loves him
@@harrison6828 "copa sudamerica"
@@harrison6828 and finalissima is a made up cup lol
Hugo is not only goalkeeper but captain of a French side that were defending champions so he has experienced that before hence the composure..on the other hand Emi Martinez and Argentina was on the cusp of winning the World Cup after 3 decades so for Emi at that moment he is gonna act like that...cant blame him
People still crying it's been a month bro GROW UP
Any professional footballer playing at the highest level should be able to deal with mind games...and tbf on emi at least he backs his trash talk and mind games rather than making himself look like a fool plus it's lloris fault he can't save a penalty if his life depended on it (no hate i respect lloris a lot)
Said the man who only yell at Son after half time. Technically, till this day, I still don't understand how he can occupy GK of French national team so long. Mandanda was much better imo. I can't find a better word than phony that suit him well.
Simple, fifa should give Yellow cards for taunting. They do in the NFL. It's Under "unsportsmanlike conduct"
Same as taking off your T-shirt during a game or taunting and injured player. These kind of signalling to your opponent should not be allowed under the law
There is a possibilty of yellow card for u sportsman like conduct but as long as there is no touching and vulgarity, unlikely there is a card.
but i feel like it’s the same thing with time wasting, it’s part of the game and if it helps it helps. i feel like people only feel a type of way because emi genuinely doesn’t care. like no one cares when other players are not giving the ball back for throw in when a team is one nil down or going to the corner to waste time. it’s the same thing but now it’s a keeper doing it and he’s good at it
Imagine yellow carding people for taunting. And here I was thinking they're soft in England.
A yellow was given after his "dance" by Marciniak. in fact the rules are even more strict. Some argued a red could have been given.
@United Forever they already yellow card for taking shirt off
In america there is a sports saying: "Act like you've been there before". Well Emi hadn't been there before. Was he crass, YES.
“Act like you been there before” Typical loser saying. How about don’t give anything for them to celebrate.
How was he being crass? Are strikers being crass when they do celebrations or even elaborate celebrations after they score a goal? So a goalkeeper celebrating after saving the most important kicks of the game is being crass? Emi didn't lash out at anyone, he didn't insult anyone, he didn't put a red rubber nose and jump like a clown on the goal. Emi looked like a world beater.
He did act like he's been there before, that's why his team lifted the World Cup and France are still crying. The only thing that could be considered crass was the baby Mbappe doll, on the football pitch he was exactly what he was supposed to be. It wasn't an afternoon tea gathering, it was the final of the football world cup but you being an American won't understand it.
AMERICANS,this guy is a CLOWN.Stick with American Football and basketball…
I think you mean "in the United States of America" because I'm from Brazil which is also in the continent of America and I have not heard that saying before
Don't Cry For Me Little Fraaaance!!🥲
If Martinez had done it against England, Aston Villa would have put him for transfer this window.
Everything is fair in love and war
Ummm supposedly their shopping for a goalkeeper so...
Emi deserves a bigger club tbf
@@arhaan2004 of all the said bigger clubs is he better than the current number ones? 6 games don't make him better.
@Sanjay Chamling Rai I never said he didn't deserve a big club my comment was of the bigger clubs who is he doing to take the number 1 position from and if he is better than that number 1 keeper. WC is not as competitive then most major domestic leagues or the champions league. There's alot of luck involved in getting to the WC. Let's not make one tournament performance over inflate someone.
You can be mannered if you want, Loris. Allow the new hero to be himself. Jealousy is making you go south. Imagine your poor performances these days. I wonder why Tottenham still see you as number 1.
Like Danny Murphy said in talkSPORT when gk for under his skin and he missed a pen - said the miss was on him as he let keeper get under his skin so his fault not gk who doing his job
Any team would much rather have a martinez instead of lloris in their team. You would love to have someone like him in your team but definitely hate it if they are in your opponents'.
I didn't like what Emi Martinez did with the trophy, but as for what he was doing on the field, absolutely all for it!! If you can help increase the chance of winning by a fraction of a percent, you do whatever you need to do to win!
"ju make they run fo they theam".. Hugo to Son.. passionate guy..
Lloris made a fool of himself saving zero penalties 😂😂
I loved that argentina won(especially my boy messi) and for me,martinez’s is a legend for his saves,especially that last min save which would have won France the world cup(fyi,was crying😂)but winning is not most important thing,i agree with lloris 100%.being a gentlemen matters more for me and many others.however,not all would agree,winning matters more for some and its just a matter of perspective.nothing wrong with either stance…hugo is a gentle giant❤
I lost all respect for Hugo Lloris after the way he went after Son in a Spurs game.
He does have a point. Why act that way when you have the ref in your back pocket. European futbol is all class!
I can't advocate for Emi's antics. But Lloris has taken an easier answer to getting defeated at pens. Emi is great at penalties despite the antics. The dives are the biggest stretch you see as if he knows it's his way. There is no doubt in those dives. Maybe he also has a better study of the striker's body positioning. Sweep this all under the rug and choosing the antics for his success and your defeat is sort of sad coming from a football great.
He should be more worried about the tactics France uses to win. Parking the bus when you have the best selection in the world is disrespectful to football. Those are tactics for the underdog...
Do what you have to do to win. There’s no such thing like loosing with decency. Loosers ain’t remembered, winners are
Sounds like something a salty french would say...
I mean that's the thing. That attitude is a double bladed sword. Win like that and you are a beast! Lose acting like that and people will make fun of you for being a loser and a clown. There is no in between. This year Dibu just won it!
Right. This is coming from a guy who has never saved a pk in a pk shootout. Just retire buddy. This man exceeded all expectations by a long shot because he is always always always due for an error and even with that he still managed to have a long career and win a World Cup.
Sport is also psychological !
Martinez is an excellent keeper, but let's be honest why is he making fun of a guy that scored 4 goals against him
He made fun of a guy who said south American football is trash
Exactly 😂
@@BC-mj7gj What are you talking about? No he didn't, he said that South American football isn't very competitive because Brazil and Argentina are the only "strong' teams on that continent
@@falkevanlaerewhich is false we have seen team like Ecuador and uruaguay perform at the world cup the word of mbappe we’re presumptuous at the least that doesn’t justifies every action of martinez
* 3 penalty kicks, one goal. But you're right, it was stupid to mock baby Mbappe
Buddy needs to focus on catching the ball
Dude is hella salty. Couldn't even save a single penalty.
Dude is hella world cup winner...
@@gergoszederjesi4351 lol exactly. And could win another one.
@@FountainOfYoot he'd be 40 by next world cup. Maignan is the better choice by that point
@@gergoszederjesi4351 He gave up a goal in the final against Croatia by passing the ball to them. He is and always has been a mediocre goalkeeper.
He has class unlike dibu
You just got to play your game, if that kind of stuff is in your game do it and if it’s not then don’t. There’s not much to this, always play your game
Too many people writing that it's jealousy. Keep in mind that Lloris has won the World Cup as well.
Don't mind it if he plays mind games *before* the PK's. Whatever it takes. But holding the glove award to his crotch, the Mbappe doll, the song towards Mbappe all occurred *after* he won. This is not mind games but rather a lack of class. Previous recent World Cup-winning GK's, Lloris, Neuer, Casillas, Buffon, Marcos, etc would never be crude this way. This is a lack of education and decency.
And so is Emi
@@BC-mj7gj
Oh thanks. I didn't know... 🤪
@@CrociatoAzzurro 😜
@@BC-mj7gj
And what does "and so is Emi" even mean? Improve your grammar, clown. 🤪
@@CrociatoAzzurro I am not English and do not care about grammar at all, the purpose here is understanding, and not English lectures 😜🤣
It’s part of his Spursy mentality
Martinez did what he had to do to win, if lloris didn't want to, that's on him. Lots of ppl have done sketchy things to achieve success, things that NEEDED to be done if they were to ever get an advantage. This is life sometimes, no sense in looking at things so black and white.
It’s kind of not fair play, but it’s also just mind games. It’s not a foul or anything. You do look like a clown if it doesn’t work… but if it does you’re the man.
At least he hasn't been caught driving while drunk. Stay classy, H.
at some point, someone has to say it... is just football, is a show... we are not talking about politics or a world war... come on!
Lloris has 2 be 1 of the worst penalty stoppers of all time, the guy has only like 13% stopped so i dont really understand why france didnt keep 1 sub 2 change the goalkeeper cause thats where they lost it
13% against 40% penalty stop rate is ridiculous
What Martinez did during the match is okay in my book . It's his actions after the game that made him look bad.
What if Argentina lost the match. There wouldn't be much debate about Martinez. Everybody has their own gameplay to win and Martinez was really effective at it. Something new approach in football i should say which has everybody being talking since they won with Martinez gameplay playing a big part in it.
Martinez was terrible, he almost gave the game away to france. Are those glasses on your face real? Did you watch the same game?
@@user-sx3pu3pv6q yes my glasses saw Argentina winning the world cup 2022 and all these France sore loser still crying the fact that they lost and played 75 mints of world cup final with nothing to offer.
There is no etiquette in Football. Just like there's no etiquette in War. And for many Football is like war
Of course Ale would say that his master Messi is on that team.
I respect both
If u want to shut Martinez up, u should win. That’s how sports work, grown adults shouldn’t go cry to mom when they lose
That's not dirty though. It's war. France was the best team at World Cup. In order to pull off an upset, you need a a guy getting into opponents head. American Football does it. Boxers do it. This guy seems butthurt France lost.
That's the thing about Argentines. They do will everything and anything to win. Their attitude is to win they must suffer first. It's not the first time and certainly not the most extreme thing an Argentine has done in a World Cup.
Imagine ESPN existed during the hand of god…. Mardonna would have been assassinated
Remember Lloris never said anything about his way of playing being the “right way” or took the moral high ground. He simply stated that he is not comfortable behaving like that during a football game.
I was going to comment on the topic but García’s story took the spotlight 😂
Don't hate the player, hate the game
"Make a SAFE. Make a SAFE. Make a SAFE so I could put money in it."
Well given his penalty turnovers Lloris should maybe pay more attention to Martinez than the other way around.
Besides Lloris, when the game was over, there was more French blood in the Argentine team than in the French one.
How many of those Argentines have French ancestry?
@@ededdandeddytv5164 How many of those French have African ancestry?