The Serpent Men in Conan Lore (Study & Theory Crafting)
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Serpent Men: conan.fandom.com/wiki/Serpent...
Sligguth: marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Sliggu...)
Ka Nama Kaa: marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Ka_Nam...
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I picked up Conan Exiles a couple weeks ago to play during my off-time from work. Having a blast, amazed at how expansive the map is and how many features are in it. Took me a week to leave the starting area around the river. Your videos are really getting me into the Conan universe, thanks man!
8:17 "Baseless nuance, or form over function story-telling." That is the most excellent summation of "The Last Jedi" but I would attribute it to "Rise of Skywalker." XDD lol Great call there.
I remember the Serpent Men from the Conan cartoon in the 90s! That was one of my favourite cartoons when I was a little boy. I dunno how true to the source material it is, I haven't gone back to watch it since it was on tv. Feels better to just leave it as a fond memory.
That was my favorite cartoon back then too, who could forget the opening theme? The entire series is available on youtube right now, apparently with Hasbro's ok.
It holds up well for an older cartoon in my opinion, they did a good job of balancing a sense of danger with the restrictions of the target viewer age group. It's more a Conan themed product, it has its own take on the concepts locations and races presented by Ron Howard.
@@Chef_Alpo Hmmm, whole series up and with Hasbro's apparent blessing? Nice, might have a look again, then. Thanks mate.
@@username12120 If you haven't read it I recommend reading The Shadow Kingdom by Robert E. Howard, as it introduces the Serpent Men and is one of the best (as well as first) Kull stories. The Dark Horse comic adaption of it is especially good and adds some expansion upon the story as well.
@@RogueDragon05 Sick as, I'll check that shit out. Thanks for the rec, mate. :)
Me too. I recently thinked about this cartoon and Wrath Amon.
Its crazy how many fantasy settings just rehash ancient legends but change a few things around.
Hearing the serpent speech made me think of black speech but it wasn't as intense.
I've honestly always found the serpent men to be the most fascinating.
Odd that the Degenerate seems to almost be asking you to kill him during the dungeon
neaderthal (the actual cavemen) were actually smaller than modern humans. though they were stout, and would weigh similarly. id compare them to a very endo morhpic short guy, if that helps you picture it better.
Have found the Snake-men fascinating since I first read Kull the Shadow-Kingdom last year, man they are such great foes and fascinating villains, this video truly captured all that was most interesting and intriguing about them.
I think that Robert E. Howard take the inspiration from the ancient legents that surrounds our world, people can read the book "The genesis 6 conspirancy" to understand this, the autor have done an exlcelent work making an collection of legends of all cultures around the world.
Yup, it starts to feel even realer when you realize almost every culture around the world has stories of cannabilistic Giants and human reptile abominations. Credo Mutwa an African shaman has an amazing account of "Reptillians" The truth is sometimes stranger than fiction.
I love the snakemen lore. I’ve been retooling them to fit into the warhammer fantasy setting… only for GW to decide NOW that they’re canon.
To bad endtimes ruined Warhammer Fantasy. I honestly prefer it over 40k.
Oh man I loved this. The serpent men are so cool and you did a great job dissecting them and going into their lore which I haven't seen anyone else do before. Their culture is really interesting and it's cool that at Well of Skelos you actually unlock a set of weapons inspired or actually designed by them. What are your thoughts on the boss variants encountered in the Siptah vaults?
Humans never had a “chimpanzee phase” but I see what you mean. Fantastic video
You might have mentioned that this was the author’s understanding of evolution. My apologies, I’m tired and am being a pedantic a-hole
Firstly, let me say that I appreciate the hell out of you putting in the effort to make a dedicated lore video about this stuff. Especially the serpent-men, as they get way too little attention considering the overall impact they had on the world all these stories take place in. Their overarching importance to the lore is too often overlooked. So yeah, mad props to you.
That said, I do have some criticisms.
It seems you’re drawing very heavily from Marvel Comics version of Conan rather than R. E. Howard’s actual works (or those of his contemporaries and correspondences such as H. P. Lovecraft, C. A. Smith, L. Carter, etc.), where the actual stories and lore from Howard and the others would honestly have been more accurate and appropriate. I say this because the Marvel Comics version of Conan and the lore associated with his stories within the comics continuity are radically different from the actual lore of Howard’s works. The Marvel Comics lore also doesn’t really have much (if any) connections to the Funcom games (Age of Conan Unchained and Conan Exiles respectively), which are based upon the original stories Howard and the others published and didn’t publish.
As a side note, if you want to go the comic route, a far better source for you to draw from is the Dark Horse Comics version of Conan and Kull, both of which more accurately follow the lore of the original stories (and have amazing artwork too).
Still very good, but as a fan, I just had to clarify.
Your feed back is always appreciated. I view this info as invaluable as a tool to help me grow, hope you stick around and thank you!
@@GrimDarkHalfOff I just hope it helps.
I agree to a point, but it is necessary to make a distinction of which run of Comics are you debating. Marvel's Savage Sword of Conan, the black and white magazine format had adapt most of REH stories in a true fashion. As for being a magazine it did not abide to the Comic Authority Code - so you will have a more realistic depiction of violence, sex connotations, etc.
Marvel's Conan the Barbarian, and the runs of Dark Horse do have a tendency to be watery down and often assume a "comic hero" aspect.
I, for one, would be looking into the Black and White Savage Sword of Conan, mainly early ones which adapted in length.
In the Eastern mythos, nagas are water serpents that are considered to be good omens and play key roles in the Buddhist tradition of being taught the higher teaching of the Buddha as a result of shielding him from monsoon rains. This teaching was alleged to be taught to Nagarjuna, who taught this hidden or philosophically inferred aspect of the Buddha's teaching to later adepts. It is said he had a kind of travelling dream where he was taken to the water underworld of the nagas where this was revealed to him.
When the Indian sub-continent experiences a tsunami event the waves draw far back enough to reveal ancient cities submerged, such as the ancient city of Dwarka. This is the reality that these folk tales are attached to. Now when Nagarjuna said that he was taught by the Nagas, was he revealing an ancient teaching from lost times? He was the provost of the world's largest college at the time after all.
Here's more on Dwaka, its also related to Lord Krishna: th-cam.com/video/dcvJY8qSj50/w-d-xo.html
For those into making adventures for the Neverwinter Nights games the Juan-ti provide excellent models for serpent men.
These lore videos are excellent, my dude. Looking forward to the videos you do on the other inhuman races 🤘
Just picked up the soon to be out of print Conan rpg book, it doesn't have the serpent men listed. Must be in one of the adventure books, book of Skelos maybe. I've had only a small interest in Conan in the past, but have grown more into it in recent years with the books being public domain and free audio books of them on Librevox, the Conan Exiles game. And the recent actions of WotC driving some gamers away have brought me more into the Conan lore.
This is where I should have been a long time ago.
Excellent video although a sidenote, to be capable of higher thought processes the race must be Sapient and not Sentient as to be sentient just means to be capable of having recognizable emotions whereas sapient is where the creature is capable of using higher level thinking and logic. For example lobsters and crabs are not sentient or sapient, your dog or cat is sentient, you and chimpanzees are sapient.
at least I'm pretty sure I could be totally wrong but that's what I recall anyways.
Loving the Conan lore keep it up man
Thank you for the peaceful Naga part 🙏🪷
Ah,the serpent folk. A serpent man would roast your child in front of you and laugh.
Stay Strong my friend, you will overcome.
The RPG setting I use has 2 different serpent man kingdoms. Fantastic villains!
Great work thanks!
Good video. Thanks.
Nice video. Snake mages sound cool.
The Archosaurs 2 main clades the crocodylians and avians have greatly evolved and recent fossils show they are have fully erect limbs, smaller skulls, well developed teeth, terrestrial or semi aquatic, and more adapted to live on land. Studies on the evolution of basal archosaur relationships gives a clear picture of this.
Does this mean that Tar-Sadum in the movie was in reality a snake-man or did he find just a way to shape-shift into a giant snake?
I always believed him to be a serpent-men manipulating people with his evil cult, butvI might be wrong.
I didn't knew that serpent men have own language (I watched cartoon Conan the Adventurer with I love it even if lore doesn't accurate), but it's neat. I wonder if somehow I could learn serpent men language.
Well you see all you have to do is Sssssssllllhhh sssssssllllhh sssssss SSSSSS sssllslhslgsssss
Not even going to mention the cartoon and rathamon
It's Wrath Amon.
Cant show your Snake Bros your sweet sweet Gym Gains if you wear too many clothes lol
You still playing exiles?
Kind of
Ahh Hubardd... You had some genuinely interesting insight into human nature... While also having some uncomfortable undertones....you were a god damn enigma....
0:21 I heard it as "F off"
Well I mean it with love
SNAKES ALIVE!!! good video.
Sweet
I don't really do theories. But for this I make an exception, why not both. (Head canon/ writer shenanigans begin)
A Great Spell War on multiple fronts. The Serpent men vs their Lizard Men rivals with the back drop of Civil War. Towards it's climax one of the Serpent men starts forming a ritual intended to wipe out both the Lizard men and some of their rivals. In which due to his mastery of magic and ability to eliminate the threats within and outside the empire would crown itself Emperor. But then the human slaves rose up and slew him causing the massive spell to go haywire killing most of the Serpentmen and Lizard men and forcing both sides into hiding.
I am thinking targeted Chernobyl via blood magic ritual.
Probably not the best theory but I don't really do this kind of thing, I think it's cool though. Hopefully it makes sense at the very least and is as much fun to read as it was for me to write.
Can you do a Zath one? If you haven't already.
I go over Zath in “Part 1 of all gods in Conan”
@@GrimDarkHalfOff I'll check it out
why do the giant kings worship set?
They don’t in majority we have a video on them going over how they were tricked
2:44 holy shit snek dds !
Lmaooo, considering cutthroat capitalism is the most likely presence in economical systems led by the Snake Men, imagine Jormangundr simply being an international merchant at a time before the internet, known for “spanning the world” with his business relationships lol
cool
I stumbled upon this and I want to tell you to go to Greg Jay TH-cam channel because if you understood that- you would be able to write stories about not a fantasy world but our actual planet, and what the ancients went through. Reality is far more scary and amazing, (dare I say) magical than fiction.
Nagas just want to be left alone
Indeed
They would tell you that, wouldn't they.
@@alexdunphy3716 would not know do not live there
I knew it, Picts are the human race capable of sensing hidden snakes. Go Celtic tribes!
Actually in Conan Picts are Alaskan and hate Celts
@@melvinbrotherofthejoker436 very interesting I figured out, the real Picts would be Cimmerians in Conan World, Romantic Races like the Latin French and Etruscan Italians would be Aquilonians and I don't know who would be the Germánics there.
@@melvinbrotherofthejoker436 a study showed ancient European people's populated parts of America due to ice age and migration, Robert E Howard somehow imagined that possibility with no modern technology available.
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Aqualonians are basically the Romans, I have idea why the are considered to be France when it's very clear Howard based then on Rome.
Even the name Aqualonia must be inspired by the Latin _Aquila_ "Eagle" which was a symbol of Rome.
Germanics would be Æsir(Asgard) and Nordheim inhabitants based on the Norse or Nordic peoples of Scandinavia.
@@Ariapeithes_ some parts of France were colonized by Latins, those colonies still hold old Roman monuments, when I mention Latins I mention an old theory which probably Howard used for the Lore which is the Latins a branch of Indo-Europeans colonized the southern parts of Europe.
Haha snek go *hisssssssssssss*
There is one important question you did not touch upon in this video. Do they taste like chicken? I'm only half-joking, as if I ever RP in this setting and kill one of the serpent men, I'm definitely cooking and eating it.
I like to think they do
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grass is sentient....you mean intelligent
Thank you for the correction
@@GrimDarkHalfOff no problem, I always make this mistake in RPG's
50% of serpent man language: Zzzuuuuuuuuusssuuuuu
The snussy got me acting unwise..
NP such thing as a chimpanzee phase, those tired theories have been phrased out
Thats pretty much where all those cooky conspiracy theories come from.
I guess the serpent man they think humans are bad what we think about tham 🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍
Could you imagine if your froemd was such a dork he was actually rooting for Hank and Marie in Breaking Bad