I love games from 1987 because I was ten years old at the time and played hundreds of hours of Tecmobowl on NES and memorized the Rosters like back of my hand. Here I get to see those players in Live Action!
I like how in "Tecmo Bowl" a gamer could stop the roster scroll at the startup screen and look at the roster. He he, that game did some interesting things with stats, giving the player Walter Payton his best-ever season rushing total (glad for that) & making Danny White a 44% passer (White himself probably wouldn't be glad for that:-).
@@eugenedenbrook322 I vividly remember my father a big Union Man working for the railroad had an extreme hatred of the 49ers for crossing the picket line. He bitched about that 49ers for years after that.
@@Wallyworld30 My old man was in the union, too, and is a Seattle fan. I know they had guys cross the line, but not a peep about it. I recall Tony Dorsett talking about how the old Cowboys' owner manipulated many players to cross, through deferred money in their contracts. He was pretty bitter about it.
@@Wallyworld30 there was only one team that didn’t have one player cross the lone that season and that was the Washington Redskins, who went on to win the Super Bowl. That was when Doug Williams set a super bowl record for the most points scored in one quarter, which still stands today and probably will for a long time, just as Timmy Smith’s 206 yard rushing record still stands today. Maybe that says something for not crossing the line? It’s almost as if that helped solidify the team mates? Many of the players said they hated the scab players and wanted to cross, but Joe Gibbs was able to convince them not to. I didn’t know why they hated the replacements, who went undefeated because those games counted. Those wins helped propel them into the post season. They even beat a Dallas team who had several HOF players who crossed the line for the last Monday night game. They even made a movie based on the Washington replacements, but no movie could be more dramatic than that actual game. Watching a bunch of no named players beating the first string Dallas Cowboys was crazy. Washington was in no way the better team that season, far from it, but they had a lot of help in the post season when the wildcard Vikings dumped the number one seed 49ers out of the playoffs and Washington beat the #2 seed Bears in Chicago, which made the championship game go to Washington, since they were #3 seed. Even though the Vikings were able to dump the Saints and 49ers from the playoffs, they just ran out of luck in the last 6 seconds of the championship game when Darrell Green knocked the easy TD catch from the receiver’s hands in the end zone, sending Washington to the super bowl. Washington should have been way out matched by the Broncos and it looked that way when Elway scored a 79 yard pass to Ricky Nateill and then scored a FG on the next drive. At that time, no team had ever come back from 10 or more points down to win a super bowl, but no one told Doug Williams about that. He scored 35 points in that quarter, tossing for 4 TDs and one rushing TD from Smith all in that single quarter. Denver didn’t know what hit them and seemed stunned the rest of the game as Elway attempted to get back in it with long passes, only resulting in many sacks by a blitzing Washington defense who knew he was going to pass on every down. That was a crazy season with a crazier super bowl where a mediocre team would go all the way, especially with the strike being that season and the NFL deciding those games would count. On top of everything else, Washington had a QB controversy all season, swapping between Williams and Schroeder every week. What team wins a SB after having a QB controversy all year? Joe Gibbs only made the decision to go with Williams for the rest of the games at the beginning of the Championship game. Even in the super bowl, Doug took and early knee injury that should have sidelined him, but he pushed through the pain and Schroeder took only two snaps in the super bowl. They were still behind 10 points when Schroeder went into the game. I believe that it was the very next play when Williams came back out that he tossed the first long TD pass to Ricky Sanders, hitting right in stride with a perfectly thrown ball. It was shocking to everyone who watched. By the end of the quarter, Frank Gifford said, “if it was a fight, they might stop it”, which cracked me and my brother up. My brother pictured an official looking into Dan Reeves eyes and then quickly flailing his arms before cradling Reeves, stopping the brutal beating he was taking at the time. That would have been a great ending to a crazy season?
This is what it’s like to be a Charger fan. Miracle plays, bonehead plays, one after another for more then 50 years. The team moves out San Diego for a last kick in the ax’s.
Before building the Clippers their own arena in LA. I feel like they would have been good to go back to San Diego. I am an east coast guy so maybe I am naive.
I love the Chargers and I'm a Bengals fan but I love them as San Diego Chargers This team is an imposter, or a misplaced child after a divorce, hope they can get custody back in San Diego
If nothing else, this vid convinced me Roy Green was the greatest receiver most people have never heard of...he and Lomax had cardboard cutouts in every, Abco, Smitty's, Bashas, Safeway, Circle K and 7-Eleven in the Valley in 88
I don't know as a Chargers fan whether to be proud that we escaped with a narrow win because the Cards stole a defeat from the hands of victory, or to be disappointed because we allowed 31 unanswered in a nearly-historic performance to almost lose more than 30 years ago. That, or just be sad because I miss the Q. Good times. It is absolutely criminal that your channel doesn't have more eyes on it. This is such high-quality content about things in the NFL that I doubt anyone would have even guessed to think of, and you're pulling interesting information out of every single crevice of it. Keep up the good work.
Even if he had caught it, the comeback still would have been overshadowed by what happened in Cincinnati. The Bengals' inept attempt at running out the clock led to Montana throwing the game-winning TD at the buzzer. The receiver was Jerry Rice, who despite only playing 12 games due to the strike, had 22 receiving TDs that season. If you've ever seen a QB killing the final few seconds by throwing a long bomb out of bounds, this game is the reason. And by the way, yes, the Chargers fans were booing because of the impending strike. Teams were getting booed around the nation that day, because nobody ever thinks to boo the owners.
Besides being a great story on its own, I got to see the arches from Busch Stadium II and hear Jack Buck. Thank you so much from this St. Louis sports fan!
What do you suppose would be different about NFL history if Smith had caught that pass? It's not even clear that it would have changed the result of that particular game.
@NO PATS JIM I never knew Will McDonough did color for television broadcasts: I thought he was strictly a newsman & NFL insider (really the go-to guy for NFL info before Chris Mortensen).
How about a video on how the 1985 Cardinals were supposed to be pretty solid after an epic offensive season for them in 1984, and started out strong at 3-1, only to peter out to 5-11 and a wretched offense. I find the Neil Lomax and Roy Green story from 81 to 87 to be fascinating
There were drug issues on that '85 team and Lomax fell into inconsistency. I saw them get blasted by the Eagles that year 30-7 and the game wasn't that close not to mention the Eagles were awful that season.
I would argue that Vinny Testaverde’s run vs the Seahawks in 1998 was more impactful for the entire NFL and college football landscape. If he were correctly called down then the Seahawks make the playoffs and Dennis Erickson is never fired, so no Mike Holmgren in Seattle, and no Dennis Erickson at Oregon State, discovering Ocho Cinco. Otherwise, Oregon likely wins over Oregon State and goes on to beat Drew Brees in the Rose Bowl, combined with their Fiesta Bowl win over Colorado, Oregon then gets far more recruits because of the Rose Bowl win and 2 straight BCS wins. This might lead to Oregon remaining neck and neck with USC in the 2000s. The list goes on.
Clickbait title, but good video as usual. I love that you talk about all these forgotten moments. I also appreciate how you don't just talk about the historically great franchises. It's way more fun to see all of these players I have heard of but never actually saw play. Keep up the good work!
Yeah, I was today years old when i learned that. I looked him up and he actually played *five* years for the Cards (both STL and PHX) before playing for Dallas for six years. Obviously, his years in Dallas were significantly more productive, which is why we remember him playing there
As a kid from Tempe Arizona I have always loved the Cardinals no matter how much they sucked all through the 90's! Neil Lomax is a very underrated quarterback because he always plaid on a terrible team! Thank God Bill Bidwell's son has a different mentality then his father had! He wants a super bowl win! This season looks magical for the Cardinals and if not now when? The Cardinals have always been a underdog!
Well, at least the Cardinals won against Tampa Bay after being down 28-3 later in the season. Heck, maybe if the 1987 Cardinals played better defense, the team may've had a shot at the playoffs (Neil Lomax could be a very dangerous passer, and he had good weapons to work with).
Fun Fact: I was there and saw it live. Another Fun Fact: A year later almost to the day the Cards had another remarkable comeback. Down 23-0 in the 3rd quarter to the eventual World Champion 49ers, the Cards reeled off 24 unanswered points including the eventual game winning TD as time expired to win the game 24-23. Neil Lomax outdueled Steve Young in that game 323 yards and 3 TD's to 145 yards and 1 TD. SF did have 240 yards on the ground though. Cards also turned the ball over 3 times and lived to tell about it. That put them a 6-4 and in 1st place in the NFC East. Of course in typical Cardinal fashion they won the next week then lost 5 straight to finish 7-9. Took another 10 years to finally have a winning season in the desert.
I was at that game. It was against the Bucs 2 weeks after the strike was settled. I was one of about 22 fans in attendance (the Cards had already announced they were moving after the season). TD's by Awalt, 2 by JT Smith, and a defensive TD by Niko Noga completed the comeback. Donald Igwebuke attempted a 53 yard FG to tie at the gun but it hit the crossbar. One of the greatest games no one saw.
Video idea for you: In a late season matchup SF@SEA in ‘19, the division was on the line. SEA was down, but a TD could win it. At the goal line, the crowd was clamoring for Marshawn Lynch who had been signed just for this game. But, the Hawks were late getting him on the field, resulting in a delay penalty, taking Lynch out. The Hawks came up inches short of the end zone and lost the game and division.
Pat Summeral and John Madden's voice is permanently sketched into my brain after playing so much Madden in late 90's early 2000's. Am I the only one who can still recall those voices just from playing video games?
At least the '87 Cards did get into the record books for having the biggest 4th quarter comeback win in NFL history, trailing the Bucs by 25 and winning by 3. In regulation.
I remember my Fins being down 28-0 Vs the Vikings on the road...and coming back to tie. They "only" trailed 28-6 at the half, though. I will die convinced that they would've won in OT had Shula just kicked a FG on 4th and goal with about 4 minutes left trailing by 10, meaning the TD they scored later would've tied the game at 38. In fact that TD might've actually won it had Shula not elected to go for two for some crazy reason after cutting the lead to 28-6. The resulting failed try got Terry Kirby injured for the season.
Where do you access the old footage? I keep looking to see the Chargers/Colts game that was played on November 3rd, 1996. Do you have any suggestions on where I could find that game?
@@sdne1959 Well, "IF COMPLETED".... IF is the biggest word in the English Language. IF a bullfrog had wings it wouldn't bump its butt when it jumps. IF your aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle. IF completed, St. Louis would have had the biggest comback....
What ever happened to Lionel James? He was awesome from 1985-87, could return punts, kickoffs, ran the ball, good receiving HB. Was it injuiries? Or his little size finally caught up w him in the NFL? He was one of the smallest players ever in the history of the game.
It does seem to be injuries that were the cause for Lionel James to have his production cut short: he had off-season knee surgery in 1986, then had knee and foot injuries throughout that season. His career never got back on track after that.
Little Train was cut at the end of the 1989 preseason, in favor of Dana Brinson - who the Chargers would end up cutting around mid season and bringing in Darin Nelson. Nelson wouldn't be on the 1990 squad. They brought in Ronnie Harmon that off season and then Harmon went on the be the best third down RB in the league for the next five or six years. When the Chargers cut Little Train, that was the end of his career. Crazy to think that he held the single game all-purpose yards record for a number of years. He was also Bo Jackson's college roommate
Explained it in the description. Original video when uploaded was fine. NFL then copyrighted and blocked the video from being shown for showing a 10-second highlight, even though it fell under fair use. NFL and TH-cam don’t care about fair use, though, so I had to remove it after the fact so that the video could be shown again
It definitely has everything to do with the looming strike. Just 5 years ago fans just went through another work stoppage and were beside themselves that they were about to get shortchanged on the season again.
Have you done a video on Cowboys - Colts from 1996?...one of the best games I've ever seen, and made me a Colts fan for years to come. It was the Super Bowl that should've been, per Jim Harbaugh, QB for the Colts. Instead, we got that lame game between the Steelers and Cowboys (which was awful, and I'm a Cowboys fan) billed as the return of a classic. I'd love to see you do a video on that Cowboys - Colts game.
The Colts weren’t good enough to beat Dallas. But they definitely deserved that super bowl appearance. The Steelers just seem to have a way of ruining feel-good stories.
They shoulda got the ball to Stump Mitchell. With Roy Green out, the next guy to go to woulda been Mitchell. Him or Jay Novacek. Mitchell was a great player.
You missed the elephant in the room, could it have been possible if he would have caught it and won, the Cardinals would have stayed in Saint Louis and not move to Phoenix after the end of that season as well as they became the Phoenix Cardinals for the 1988 season?
Certainly if Neil O'Donnell had made the field goal at end of Redskins game in 1984 or in Packers game, that Cards team would have done well in playoffs and team would not have moved. There were some curious calls against the Cards that year which was a tv contract renewal year for nfl...mmmm.
No. Bidwill had made his mind up at that point. He had asked for a new stadium and the city said no so he took his ball, went west, and played in a run down college stadium for almost 20 years before finally getting a new stadium.
No disrespect to you, as your videos have been well-done and interesting to listen to. But I am trying to figure out how this game actually changed NFL history. To me, a major event in NFL history would be what happened between the Redskins and Bears in the NFC Division Playoff this year. If the Bears beat the Redskins, Doug Williams does not become.the first black man to eventually get to the Super Bowl and win it. So events in that game, such as the game ending injury to Jim McMahon, the punt return for a TD by the Redskins, the last play by Chicago where Washington stopped Walter Payton on his very last play of his career that prevented a first down by the Bears deep within Redskins territory, THOSE were history-making. Perhaps your definition of "history making" is different. Still, good video and will be looking for more.
The fans booing was because of the strike the following week. I remember fans in other cities booing at the end of week 2 games as well. For those who wanted to watch the game. The 1st half th-cam.com/video/OzirrFlF8qA/w-d-xo.html The 2nd half th-cam.com/video/dWDETZhbeXc/w-d-xo.html
Wasn't it also the Cardinals last season in St Louis? Do you still think they move to Arizona if they win this game? That's where I thought you were going with the drop changing history.
One of only two times I won the Super Bowl in Tecmo Super Bowl was with the Chargers, over the Cardinals. (The other was with the Giants, over the Dolphins.)
At least the Cards have played in a Super Bowl. The Lions were smashed by what's now the Washington Football Team when they had a chance to get there in January 1992 and haven't won a playoff game since then.
The title was exaggerated and click baited. Thumbs down for the title. Still, thumbs up for the video; interesting piece, great story, great narrating and editing 👍 very good job with the video itself. Just a bad title.
Great vid! You didn't mention, though, that 1987 was also the last year that the Cardinals were in St. Louis, before moving (or, should I say, being traded) to Phoenix. Cardinals ownership probably fed up with too many losing seasons, and sold out in disgust. It's a fair bet this disappointing almost-comeback-win loss of a game was definitely a factor in that decision.
The Bidwells have owned the franchise since the 30s and still own it today. They merely moved to Phoenix because they thought that they would get a new stadium immediately. The real estate bust pushed those plans back.
No one mentions why Ferrell didnt go out of bounds which would have stoppped the clock and given the Cards 4 shots at the end zone instead of Lomax having to spike the ball on 1st to kill the clock...
it'd been fun if you did playoff game chargers patriots 2006, SD intercept to win game but troy brown stripped ball for pats to regain ball & win. sadly next week pats had big league over colts & fell out of steam & lost. kind of like 86 red sox miracle home run in alcs then lose on miracle play. henderson had big home run in ws game 6 too so could have been a boston legend. rest his soul
A few things: As A Cardinals fan who was not born yet at the time of the game, thank you for these. Secondly, some editing clips off the part 1/2 were clipped off and audio didn't match u Third, this didn't really change NFL history just because of the comeback score.
Interesting story, but that title is exaggerated. It wouldn't have really changed anything other than the outcome of the game, which as you pointed out wouldn't have mattered by the end of the season. Even if they did pull off the comeback, this game probably would have been forgotten about anyway after the Bills 32 points comeback against the Oilers in the 92-93 playoffs
Also, this was the 2nd game of the season. This was hardly a season changer. The only thing that drop did was prevent the Cards from 2 remarkable comebacks in the same season. Had they won this game, they would have come back from a 28 point halftime deficit. Then 7 weeks later they came back from a 28-3 4th quarter deficit to beat the Bucs 31-28. The latter is still the largest 4th quarter comeback in NFL history.
I mean... This isn't the worst 17 minutes I've ever spent, but if you find yourself intrigud, as I was, regarding the "change" of history -- you're going to be mighty disappointed. I guess "The Drop that WOUT HAVE CHANGED NFL History Had It Been Caught" doesn't drive the views quite as effectively. Really great execution of an eye-catching click-bait title. Well done!
I figured the reference to changing NFL history was the result of the move. Since it may have led to Cards leaving STL and the latee move of the Rams to STL and back to LA. Where by chance the Chargers and Rams now reside again together.
The Cards were not that strong anyway. The 1984 team was the heartbreaker with poor kicking and bad calls in second Dallas game and Rams games. Nfl was renegotiating tv contract and powers that be wanted Redskins in not Cards.
If the Cards win this game and the rest of the season shook out the way it did they still miss the playoffs because the Vikings had a better record in common games(4-2 to 4-3).
Let me SAVE you 17 minutes of life. Browns had the greatest road comeback in regular season against Titans from 28 points down. This video just stated another team in 1987 ALMOST did the same, but they didn't, a pass was dropped. So HAD THEY actually comeback, THEY would have been the first to do what the Browns did. Hope that only took 30 seconds to read and you saved yourself 16+ minutes!!
The title is worse than the time paradox created by Back to the Future! Because nothing actually changed, was expecting something to happen that forced the NFL to change the rule on intentional drops/gambling scandal, but it was nothing, nothing at all! The title should be, "The drop that happened like any other, incomplete pass!"
@@benjaminfeige7986 yes...according to both wikipedia and the football database in 1987 the no.87 was worn by Troy Johnson...at 9:25 in the video you can see no.87 coming in from the outside gunner position at around the 11 yard line...this obviously makes him the player who was in offsides and as you follow the video he also recovers the fumble...
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I love games from 1987 because I was ten years old at the time and played hundreds of hours of Tecmobowl on NES and memorized the Rosters like back of my hand. Here I get to see those players in Live Action!
I like how in "Tecmo Bowl" a gamer could stop the roster scroll at the startup screen and look at the roster. He he, that game did some interesting things with stats, giving the player Walter Payton his best-ever season rushing total (glad for that) & making Danny White a 44% passer (White himself probably wouldn't be glad for that:-).
Me too, except I was 9
@@eugenedenbrook322 I vividly remember my father a big Union Man working for the railroad had an extreme hatred of the 49ers for crossing the picket line. He bitched about that 49ers for years after that.
@@Wallyworld30 My old man was in the union, too, and is a Seattle fan. I know they had guys cross the line, but not a peep about it. I recall Tony Dorsett talking about how the old Cowboys' owner manipulated many players to cross, through deferred money in their contracts. He was pretty bitter about it.
@@Wallyworld30 there was only one team that didn’t have one player cross the lone that season and that was the Washington Redskins, who went on to win the Super Bowl. That was when Doug Williams set a super bowl record for the most points scored in one quarter, which still stands today and probably will for a long time, just as Timmy Smith’s 206 yard rushing record still stands today.
Maybe that says something for not crossing the line? It’s almost as if that helped solidify the team mates? Many of the players said they hated the scab players and wanted to cross, but Joe Gibbs was able to convince them not to. I didn’t know why they hated the replacements, who went undefeated because those games counted.
Those wins helped propel them into the post season. They even beat a Dallas team who had several HOF players who crossed the line for the last Monday night game.
They even made a movie based on the Washington replacements, but no movie could be more dramatic than that actual game. Watching a bunch of no named players beating the first string Dallas Cowboys was crazy.
Washington was in no way the better team that season, far from it, but they had a lot of help in the post season when the wildcard Vikings dumped the number one seed 49ers out of the playoffs and Washington beat the #2 seed Bears in Chicago, which made the championship game go to Washington, since they were #3 seed.
Even though the Vikings were able to dump the Saints and 49ers from the playoffs, they just ran out of luck in the last 6 seconds of the championship game when Darrell Green knocked the easy TD catch from the receiver’s hands in the end zone, sending Washington to the super bowl.
Washington should have been way out matched by the Broncos and it looked that way when Elway scored a 79 yard pass to Ricky Nateill and then scored a FG on the next drive.
At that time, no team had ever come back from 10 or more points down to win a super bowl, but no one told Doug Williams about that. He scored 35 points in that quarter, tossing for 4 TDs and one rushing TD from Smith all in that single quarter.
Denver didn’t know what hit them and seemed stunned the rest of the game as Elway attempted to get back in it with long passes, only resulting in many sacks by a blitzing Washington defense who knew he was going to pass on every down. That was a crazy season with a crazier super bowl where a mediocre team would go all the way, especially with the strike being that season and the NFL deciding those games would count.
On top of everything else, Washington had a QB controversy all season, swapping between Williams and Schroeder every week. What team wins a SB after having a QB controversy all year? Joe Gibbs only made the decision to go with Williams for the rest of the games at the beginning of the Championship game. Even in the super bowl, Doug took and early knee injury that should have sidelined him, but he pushed through the pain and Schroeder took only two snaps in the super bowl.
They were still behind 10 points when Schroeder went into the game. I believe that it was the very next play when Williams came back out that he tossed the first long TD pass to Ricky Sanders, hitting right in stride with a perfectly thrown ball. It was shocking to everyone who watched. By the end of the quarter, Frank Gifford said, “if it was a fight, they might stop it”, which cracked me and my brother up.
My brother pictured an official looking into Dan Reeves eyes and then quickly flailing his arms before cradling Reeves, stopping the brutal beating he was taking at the time. That would have been a great ending to a crazy season?
This is what it’s like to be a Charger fan. Miracle plays, bonehead plays, one after another for more then 50 years. The team moves out San Diego for a last kick in the ax’s.
Before building the Clippers their own arena in LA. I feel like they would have been good to go back to San Diego.
I am an east coast guy so maybe I am naive.
I love the Chargers and I'm a Bengals fan but I love them as San Diego Chargers
This team is an imposter, or a misplaced child after a divorce, hope they can get custody back in San Diego
That's what it's like to be a cardinals fan. Always climb the mountain just to fall off the cliff.
If nothing else, this vid convinced me Roy Green was the greatest receiver most people have never heard of...he and Lomax had cardboard cutouts in every, Abco, Smitty's, Bashas, Safeway, Circle K and 7-Eleven in the Valley in 88
ABCO & Bashas. Oy. Haven't heard that in a long time. And, what, Fry's didn't like them? Albertson's?
I'm always glued to these stories!
I don't know as a Chargers fan whether to be proud that we escaped with a narrow win because the Cards stole a defeat from the hands of victory, or to be disappointed because we allowed 31 unanswered in a nearly-historic performance to almost lose more than 30 years ago. That, or just be sad because I miss the Q. Good times.
It is absolutely criminal that your channel doesn't have more eyes on it. This is such high-quality content about things in the NFL that I doubt anyone would have even guessed to think of, and you're pulling interesting information out of every single crevice of it. Keep up the good work.
The title is ridiculous, but an interesting story anyway.
Agree...the title is total click bait
Should have been called: "The drop that changed nothing."
Exactly!
Title should merely be "Drops that prevented history from being made." Downvote for clickbait and the length.
Welcome to youtube. Where clickbait titles are the norm.
Even if he had caught it, the comeback still would have been overshadowed by what happened in Cincinnati. The Bengals' inept attempt at running out the clock led to Montana throwing the game-winning TD at the buzzer. The receiver was Jerry Rice, who despite only playing 12 games due to the strike, had 22 receiving TDs that season. If you've ever seen a QB killing the final few seconds by throwing a long bomb out of bounds, this game is the reason. And by the way, yes, the Chargers fans were booing because of the impending strike. Teams were getting booed around the nation that day, because nobody ever thinks to boo the owners.
Besides being a great story on its own, I got to see the arches from Busch Stadium II and hear Jack Buck. Thank you so much from this St. Louis sports fan!
You should do a video on how Roy Green changed positions from DB to WR, and became an All Pro!!
1979 he caught a TD pass and scored in an INT. He also held the record for the longest kickoff return of 104 yards which has since been broken.
Roy was amazing.
As an Eagles fan that grew up in the 90s, it's a bit of a culture shock to see Vai Sikahema and Jay Novacek as teammates.
Jackie Smith’s Super Bowl drop changed history way more than this one did
What do you suppose would be different about NFL history if Smith had caught that pass? It's not even clear that it would have changed the result of that particular game.
I don't think you understand the point to this channel.
5:52 Jay Novacek as a Cardinal.
Jack Buck & Will McDonough on the call there at the end, 2 veterans
@NO PATS JIM I never knew Will McDonough did color for television broadcasts: I thought he was strictly a newsman & NFL insider (really the go-to guy for NFL info before Chris Mortensen).
@NO PATS JIM you must be a blast at parties, smh
How about a video on how the 1985 Cardinals were supposed to be pretty solid after an epic offensive season for them in 1984, and started out strong at 3-1, only to peter out to 5-11 and a wretched offense. I find the Neil Lomax and Roy Green story from 81 to 87 to be fascinating
There were drug issues on that '85 team and Lomax fell into inconsistency. I saw them get blasted by the Eagles that year 30-7 and the game wasn't that close not to mention the Eagles were awful that season.
Chances are, NFL fans in their 20s and even some in their 30s, probably don't know there was a " St. Louis, football Cardinals" team.
It was great when you played the life clip hearing the great Jack Buck calling the play-by-play. One of my all-time favorite announcers.
Great content , thanks man.
This was a bit of foreshadowing for how the '87 Chargers ended up.
They were 8-1 after nine games, and somehow missed the playoffs.
One of the weirdest seasons I ever saw. Talk about streaky. Lose week 1, win 8 in a row, then lose 6 in a row.
I would argue that Vinny Testaverde’s run vs the Seahawks in 1998 was more impactful for the entire NFL and college football landscape. If he were correctly called down then the Seahawks make the playoffs and Dennis Erickson is never fired, so no Mike Holmgren in Seattle, and no Dennis Erickson at Oregon State, discovering Ocho Cinco. Otherwise, Oregon likely wins over Oregon State and goes on to beat Drew Brees in the Rose Bowl, combined with their Fiesta Bowl win over Colorado, Oregon then gets far more recruits because of the Rose Bowl win and 2 straight BCS wins. This might lead to Oregon remaining neck and neck with USC in the 2000s. The list goes on.
Clickbait title, but good video as usual. I love that you talk about all these forgotten moments. I also appreciate how you don't just talk about the historically great franchises. It's way more fun to see all of these players I have heard of but never actually saw play.
Keep up the good work!
I never knew Jay Novacek played for the Cards before Dallas!
Yeah, I was today years old when i learned that. I looked him up and he actually played *five* years for the Cards (both STL and PHX) before playing for Dallas for six years. Obviously, his years in Dallas were significantly more productive, which is why we remember him playing there
In 1988 the Cards had 2 formidable tight ends in Novacek and Robert Awalt. Sadly, they let both walk in Plan B free agency.
@@Rockhound6165 Remember Walter Reeves?
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Yep, Them are my Cardinals, GO CARDS
Sooooo. It didn't change NFL history at all. What a let down
It changed a draft slots
I think the click-bait title was bc there would be no *historic* comeback. Smh
As a kid from Tempe Arizona I have always loved the Cardinals no matter how much they sucked all through the 90's! Neil Lomax is a very underrated quarterback because he always plaid on a terrible team! Thank God Bill Bidwell's son has a different mentality then his father had! He wants a super bowl win! This season looks magical for the Cardinals and if not now when? The Cardinals have always been a underdog!
That Superbowl XXII banner warms my heart 😁 HTTR!
Great video
Well, at least the Cardinals won against Tampa Bay after being down 28-3 later in the season. Heck, maybe if the 1987 Cardinals played better defense, the team may've had a shot at the playoffs (Neil Lomax could be a very dangerous passer, and he had good weapons to work with).
Still the biggest 4th quarter comeback win in NFL history BTW.
Fun Fact: I was there and saw it live. Another Fun Fact: A year later almost to the day the Cards had another remarkable comeback. Down 23-0 in the 3rd quarter to the eventual World Champion 49ers, the Cards reeled off 24 unanswered points including the eventual game winning TD as time expired to win the game 24-23. Neil Lomax outdueled Steve Young in that game 323 yards and 3 TD's to 145 yards and 1 TD. SF did have 240 yards on the ground though. Cards also turned the ball over 3 times and lived to tell about it. That put them a 6-4 and in 1st place in the NFC East. Of course in typical Cardinal fashion they won the next week then lost 5 straight to finish 7-9. Took another 10 years to finally have a winning season in the desert.
The guy who was offsides was Troy Johnson, #87. He was also the guy who recovered the ball. He was L5 on KO team that day
I remember this game at the time. What a wild game. I was unaware of the fans booing the Chargers.
RIP Jack Murphy Stadium
Worth mentioning that the Cards did manage to finish off a historic comeback later that season, overcoming a 28-3 deficit in the 4th quarter.
@TheStoneOfSisyphus Absolutely sounds worth expounding upon
I was at that game. It was against the Bucs 2 weeks after the strike was settled. I was one of about 22 fans in attendance (the Cards had already announced they were moving after the season). TD's by Awalt, 2 by JT Smith, and a defensive TD by Niko Noga completed the comeback. Donald Igwebuke attempted a 53 yard FG to tie at the gun but it hit the crossbar. One of the greatest games no one saw.
Man it wasn't against the Falcons
Video idea for you: In a late season matchup SF@SEA in ‘19, the division was on the line. SEA was down, but a TD could win it. At the goal line, the crowd was clamoring for Marshawn Lynch who had been signed just for this game. But, the Hawks were late getting him on the field, resulting in a delay penalty, taking Lynch out. The Hawks came up inches short of the end zone and lost the game and division.
Not an underthrown ball. This is the number one problem in sports. BALL FIRST. Then run.
Pat Summeral and John Madden's voice is permanently sketched into my brain after playing so much Madden in late 90's early 2000's. Am I the only one who can still recall those voices just from playing video games?
At least the '87 Cards did get into the record books for having the biggest 4th quarter comeback win in NFL history, trailing the Bucs by 25 and winning by 3. In regulation.
Thank goodness that one wasn't mentioned in this video.
7:41 there is a good few frames where he has control over the ball while both feet are inbounds. Watch in slo mo
Roy Green could get deep on any defense, and Wes Chandler was an acrobat at wide receiver. Yet in today's game, they do not even mention their names.
9:15 It was probably WR #87 Troy Johnson. Just from the angle and where he end up back in frame
I remember my Fins being down 28-0 Vs the Vikings on the road...and coming back to tie. They "only" trailed 28-6 at the half, though. I will die convinced that they would've won in OT had Shula just kicked a FG on 4th and goal with about 4 minutes left trailing by 10, meaning the TD they scored later would've tied the game at 38. In fact that TD might've actually won it had Shula not elected to go for two for some crazy reason after cutting the lead to 28-6. The resulting failed try got Terry Kirby injured for the season.
Where do you access the old footage?
I keep looking to see the Chargers/Colts game that was played on November 3rd, 1996. Do you have any suggestions on where I could find that game?
I always had a soft spot for the Chargers even though I lived in Broncolado. Maybe it was Bambi. They were just cool.
I don't quite see how this drop "changed NFL history" - but it is sure an interesting story.
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If completed, St. Louis would have had the biggest comeback in NFL history (at that point).....thus CHANGING NFL history.
How is that confusing ??
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@@sdne1959 OK, how did it change NFL history?
@@sdne1959 Well, "IF COMPLETED".... IF is the biggest word in the English Language. IF a bullfrog had wings it wouldn't bump its butt when it jumps. IF your aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle. IF completed, St. Louis would have had the biggest comback....
Center Derrick Kennard had a rough day. 8 years later, he won a SB as starting center for the Dallas Cowboys.
What ever happened to Lionel James? He was awesome from 1985-87, could return punts, kickoffs, ran the ball, good receiving HB. Was it injuiries? Or his little size finally caught up w him in the NFL? He was one of the smallest players ever in the history of the game.
It does seem to be injuries that were the cause for Lionel James to have his production cut short: he had off-season knee surgery in 1986, then had knee and foot injuries throughout that season. His career never got back on track after that.
Lionel James was the shortest player in NFL history.
He had a heart like a lion... and that got him hurt quite often.
Injuries took their toll
@@d0nKsTaH James ta 5'6" wasn't the shortest. Buddy Young, 5'5" was shorter
Mack Herron a running back with the Patriots in the 70s was 5'5".
Little Train was cut at the end of the 1989 preseason, in favor of Dana Brinson - who the Chargers would end up cutting around mid season and bringing in Darin Nelson. Nelson wouldn't be on the 1990 squad. They brought in Ronnie Harmon that off season and then Harmon went on the be the best third down RB in the league for the next five or six years. When the Chargers cut Little Train, that was the end of his career. Crazy to think that he held the single game all-purpose yards record for a number of years. He was also Bo Jackson's college roommate
What's the deal with the jump edit at :44 seconds? and at 1:15?
Explained it in the description. Original video when uploaded was fine. NFL then copyrighted and blocked the video from being shown for showing a 10-second highlight, even though it fell under fair use. NFL and TH-cam don’t care about fair use, though, so I had to remove it after the fact so that the video could be shown again
@@OfficialJaguarGator9 thank you. I didn't see that.
It definitely has everything to do with the looming strike. Just 5 years ago fans just went through another work stoppage and were beside themselves that they were about to get shortchanged on the season again.
Have you done a video on Cowboys - Colts from 1996?...one of the best games I've ever seen, and made me a Colts fan for years to come. It was the Super Bowl that should've been, per Jim Harbaugh, QB for the Colts. Instead, we got that lame game between the Steelers and Cowboys (which was awful, and I'm a Cowboys fan) billed as the return of a classic. I'd love to see you do a video on that Cowboys - Colts game.
The Colts weren’t good enough to beat Dallas. But they definitely deserved that super bowl appearance. The Steelers just seem to have a way of ruining feel-good stories.
@@tommyl.dayandtherunaways820 ummm...
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@@tommyl.dayandtherunaways820 yeah, not a Steelers fan...never have been. I loved watching Cleveland beat Pittsburgh twice last year, back to back.
As many times as you said Roy Green, it makes me think they woulda won if he didn't get injured
Cards would have won had they not fallen behind 28-0.
They shoulda got the ball to Stump Mitchell. With Roy Green out, the next guy to go to woulda been Mitchell. Him or Jay Novacek. Mitchell was a great player.
Stump Mitchell was great, very underrated player.
You missed the elephant in the room, could it have been possible if he would have caught it and won, the Cardinals would have stayed in Saint Louis and not move to Phoenix after the end of that season as well as they became the Phoenix Cardinals for the 1988 season?
Certainly if Neil O'Donnell had made the field goal at end of Redskins game in 1984 or in Packers game, that Cards team would have done well in playoffs and team would not have moved. There were some curious calls against the Cards that year which was a tv contract renewal year for nfl...mmmm.
No. Bidwill had made his mind up at that point. He had asked for a new stadium and the city said no so he took his ball, went west, and played in a run down college stadium for almost 20 years before finally getting a new stadium.
No disrespect to you, as your videos have been well-done and interesting to listen to. But I am trying to figure out how this game actually changed NFL history.
To me, a major event in NFL history would be what happened between the Redskins and Bears in the NFC Division Playoff this year. If the Bears beat the Redskins, Doug Williams does not become.the first black man to eventually get to the Super Bowl and win it. So events in that game, such as the game ending injury to Jim McMahon, the punt return for a TD by the Redskins, the last play by Chicago where Washington stopped Walter Payton on his very last play of his career that prevented a first down by the Bears deep within Redskins territory, THOSE were history-making.
Perhaps your definition of "history making" is different.
Still, good video and will be looking for more.
Sorry, the dislike was a slip of the finger. I liked this video and fixed it. Keep up the awesome work!
The fans booing was because of the strike the following week. I remember fans in other cities booing at the end of week 2 games as well. For those who wanted to watch the game.
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Wasn't it also the Cardinals last season in St Louis? Do you still think they move to Arizona if they win this game? That's where I thought you were going with the drop changing history.
One of only two times I won the Super Bowl in Tecmo Super Bowl was with the Chargers, over the Cardinals. (The other was with the Giants, over the Dolphins.)
As much a I sympathize w/past Cardinals fans, the Lions submit more fan abuse every year then ANY other team
FACTS.
At least the Cards have played in a Super Bowl. The Lions were smashed by what's now the Washington Football Team when they had a chance to get there in January 1992 and haven't won a playoff game since then.
It looked like there might of been a penalty or two during that snowy punt return
You're better than clickbait titles, dude. Clean it up.
Roy Green was damn good
In November that season the Cardinals overcame a 25-point deficit against Tampa to win 31-28 by scoring 28 points in the 4th quarter.
And I was there to see it.
The title was exaggerated and click baited. Thumbs down for the title. Still, thumbs up for the video; interesting piece, great story, great narrating and editing 👍 very good job with the video itself. Just a bad title.
Nice pre Cowboy Jay Novacheck highlights
I don't think they have TV yet in the middle of Kentucky, the lucky bastards.
Roy Green looks really good in this
Great vid! You didn't mention, though, that 1987 was also the last year that the Cardinals were in St. Louis, before moving (or, should I say, being traded) to Phoenix. Cardinals ownership probably fed up with too many losing seasons, and sold out in disgust. It's a fair bet this disappointing almost-comeback-win loss of a game was definitely a factor in that decision.
The Bidwells have owned the franchise since the 30s and still own it today. They merely moved to Phoenix because they thought that they would get a new stadium immediately. The real estate bust pushed those plans back.
Go browns . Cleveland browns were down for a long time & that season put life back in it again
No one mentions why Ferrell didnt go out of bounds which would have stoppped the clock and given the Cards 4 shots at the end zone instead of Lomax having to spike the ball on 1st to kill the clock...
it'd been fun if you did playoff game chargers patriots 2006, SD intercept to win game but troy brown stripped ball for pats to regain ball & win. sadly next week pats had big league over colts & fell out of steam & lost. kind of like 86 red sox miracle home run in alcs then lose on miracle play. henderson had big home run in ws game 6 too so could have been a boston legend. rest his soul
My brother played high school football with Derek Kennard.
The clock works!!! 😂
every video i’ve watched on this channel has been about the Chargers lol
A few things:
As A Cardinals fan who was not born yet at the time of the game, thank you for these.
Secondly, some editing clips off the part 1/2 were clipped off and audio didn't match u
Third, this didn't really change NFL history just because of the comeback score.
I was wondering where this was going. From the title and year part of me thought that if the Cards won this might of kept them in St Louis.
Interesting story, but that title is exaggerated. It wouldn't have really changed anything other than the outcome of the game, which as you pointed out wouldn't have mattered by the end of the season. Even if they did pull off the comeback, this game probably would have been forgotten about anyway after the Bills 32 points comeback against the Oilers in the 92-93 playoffs
Also, this was the 2nd game of the season. This was hardly a season changer. The only thing that drop did was prevent the Cards from 2 remarkable comebacks in the same season. Had they won this game, they would have come back from a 28 point halftime deficit. Then 7 weeks later they came back from a 28-3 4th quarter deficit to beat the Bucs 31-28. The latter is still the largest 4th quarter comeback in NFL history.
Ronnie Harmon dropping a sure touchdown to give the Bills the win over Cleveland in the 1989 Divisional Playoff was worse than this.
He was probably still getting paid off. Look at Harmon in the Rose Bowl his Sr year at Iowa. Ridiculous.
@15:17 Bronco gets de-cleated!! 🤣😯
I had no idea Jay Novacek ever played for any other team but the Cowboys
34 years ago.
I mean... This isn't the worst 17 minutes I've ever spent, but if you find yourself intrigud, as I was, regarding the "change" of history -- you're going to be mighty disappointed. I guess "The Drop that WOUT HAVE CHANGED NFL History Had It Been Caught" doesn't drive the views quite as effectively. Really great execution of an eye-catching click-bait title. Well done!
That's St. Louis Football History in a nutshell because after that season the Cardinals moved to Arizona.
I figured the reference to changing NFL history was the result of the move. Since it may have led to Cards leaving STL and the latee move of the Rams to STL and back to LA. Where by chance the Chargers and Rams now reside again together.
Little Train James
Don't pull that crap, dude. It didn't change ANYTHING in NFL history in any meaningful way and you know it. Completely dishonest.
10:02
Thats alot of chalk dust.
The Cards were not that strong anyway. The 1984 team was the heartbreaker with poor kicking and bad calls in second Dallas game and Rams games. Nfl was renegotiating tv contract and powers that be wanted Redskins in not Cards.
If the Cards win this game and the rest of the season shook out the way it did they still miss the playoffs because the Vikings had a better record in common games(4-2 to 4-3).
9:20 "I can't make out who it is." Of course not. Those old films are so fuzzy and blurred you can't see anything. The players look like fuzzy blobs.
Your video titles are so misleading...
Let me SAVE you 17 minutes of life. Browns had the greatest road comeback in regular season against Titans from 28 points down. This video just stated another team in 1987 ALMOST did the same, but they didn't, a pass was dropped. So HAD THEY actually comeback, THEY would have been the first to do what the Browns did. Hope that only took 30 seconds to read and you saved yourself 16+ minutes!!
One season later the Cards moved to Phoenix!
The title is worse than the time paradox created by Back to the Future! Because nothing actually changed, was expecting something to happen that forced the NFL to change the rule on intentional drops/gambling scandal, but it was nothing, nothing at all!
The title should be, "The drop that happened like any other, incomplete pass!"
This also almost happened in
1994 with the Dolphins and Vikings
1995 with the Oilers and Bears
WTF did the 2014 Browns/Titans game have to do with any of this?
I was waiting for this to tie in the CLE vs TEN game? Did I miss something? lol
13:56
Is that guy naked???
Haha Lionel little train James
thats the gunner Troy Johnson...hes also the guy who recovers the fumble
the guy who jumped offside on the kickoff
@@Rafslammjammy #87?
@@benjaminfeige7986 yes...according to both wikipedia and the football database in 1987 the no.87 was worn by Troy Johnson...at 9:25 in the video you can see no.87 coming in from the outside gunner position at around the 11 yard line...this obviously makes him the player who was in offsides and as you follow the video he also recovers the fumble...
"how could they BOO?!"
Cuz Chargers are gonna Charger. Always been a gutter team starting with ownership.
Chargers!!😂😂
A far bigger drop was Jackie Smith in Super Bowl 13.
This Cardinals drop was just for a record, not a championship.
Yeah, I think the Cowboys beat the Steelers had he caught it