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Measuring Power Output with the TinySA Ultra

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 เม.ย. 2023
  • In this video, I will show how to measure the power output of an HT Ham Radio in both dBm and Watts using the Tiny SA Ultra.
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  • @nateitkin8279
    @nateitkin8279 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video. Thanks for posting it. It's just amazing what we can now buy for around $100. When I worked in aerospace, it wasn't uncommon to spend $50k on a spectrum analyzer. Admittedly, those units were more capable but not 500 times more capable.

    • @TheSmokinApe
      @TheSmokinApe  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hey Nate, I'd agree... these small affordable components are game changers for hobbyists 👍

  • @KS0JD
    @KS0JD ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I like you videos on driving the Nano VNA and the Tiny SA. Both instruments provide a lot more information for the ham with a very low cost of entry to the information. 73

    • @TheSmokinApe
      @TheSmokinApe  ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed, they are fantastic resources for hams. I'm glad you like the videos Jeff 👍

  • @roberthopkins8089
    @roberthopkins8089 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    U get insertion loss with an attenuator... Glad we got that bit right

  • @K5QBF
    @K5QBF ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As always thanks for the lesson Professor.

  • @electronicatutorial
    @electronicatutorial ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Also before you connect it to the port is good to check with a multimeter if there is any DC present as most RF analyzers donot tolerate any DC, then you can use a DC block.

  • @KK6USYHamRadioAdventures
    @KK6USYHamRadioAdventures ปีที่แล้ว

    The professor strikes again , explained for everyone to understand thanks

    • @TheSmokinApe
      @TheSmokinApe  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for checking it out Chuck 👍

  • @MikeN2MAK
    @MikeN2MAK ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks, I didn’t know that could be done with the Tiny SA.

    • @TheSmokinApe
      @TheSmokinApe  ปีที่แล้ว

      It's the Swiss army knife of RF 👍

  • @wushock92
    @wushock92 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nicely done, Professor. Even I understood it. 😆

  • @DonzLockz
    @DonzLockz ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks Mr Tech Ape.
    Db? does my head in with different types etc. I'll need to checkout that site.🍻👍

    • @TheSmokinApe
      @TheSmokinApe  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Haha, thanks for watching Don!

  • @richardphillips2405
    @richardphillips2405 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video. I was wondering if you could use the Tiny SA Ultra to measure rf exposure in the shack.

    • @TheSmokinApe
      @TheSmokinApe  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You can use it to measure RF with the supplied antenna 👍

  • @anxanywhere
    @anxanywhere 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm sure you have heard this before, but it's never too much to say it again: thank you for the content you been producing, they are very helpful to so many people including myself.
    Question... somehow related with this vide:
    In maybe 1 or 2 video where you collaborate with other YT'bers on TinySA matter, you recommend drawing a line at -16.02 dB(?). I believe this is related with second requirement for non-fundamental harmonics and spurious, that is an absolute level that should not be crossed.
    Where the -16.02 dB comes from?

    • @TheSmokinApe
      @TheSmokinApe  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks, I’m glad the videos are helpful. Here is a link to the FCC rule: www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/97.307
      -16.02 dBm is equal to the 25uW requirement 👍

    • @anxanywhere
      @anxanywhere 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TheSmokinApe Thank you so much, greetings from Portugal.

  • @vasilatosianis4208
    @vasilatosianis4208 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    thank you great to know !

    • @TheSmokinApe
      @TheSmokinApe  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for watching 👍

  • @microflite
    @microflite 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nicely explained!

    • @TheSmokinApe
      @TheSmokinApe  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks Micro 👍

  • @Tump2010
    @Tump2010 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video Ape

    • @TheSmokinApe
      @TheSmokinApe  ปีที่แล้ว

      Howdy Thump! I'm always impressed with these things...

  • @johnbauman4005
    @johnbauman4005 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Ape!
    Ok, have the Tiny SA ultra and attenuators in my cart. What other accessories do you recommend for the SA Ultra, not just for this project, but in general? Any coax adaptors, tools or short cables, etc?
    Does the PC software come with it or do I have to order separately?
    Is the combination of the 40 + 10 attenuators enough to allow hook up to a 100W transceiver or should I get a 20 - 30 db attenuator instead of the 10?
    Appreciate the teaching as always!
    ATB!
    John

    • @TheSmokinApe
      @TheSmokinApe  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The TinySA comes with two short coax cables so you should be good there, you might want to look at adapters for SMA to BNC / PL-259 depending on what you use. Also, for 100w I would get a 100w 50db attenuator for that, they often have N-Type connectors for you might need additional adapters. Remember that attenuators have a power rating, to a 10w 50db attenuator won't work with 100w output. Also, if you are pushing 100w I would use the 50db and a second 10 or 20db attenuator just to be safe 👍

    • @johnbauman4005
      @johnbauman4005 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheSmokinApe Got it!
      Software for pc?
      Thanks,
      j

  • @cyberyogicowindler2448
    @cyberyogicowindler2448 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Which safety distance is enough to prevent damage to a TinySA Ultra, when I measure with a small (likely directional) antenna?
    I don't own high power transmitters (professional HAM radio etc.), but pointing at an internal DECT or wifi antenna of home electronics (router, laptop etc.) to verify for Bio-EMC that it stays off (or at which frequency range it transmits) will be important. Possibly I may buy a small CB radio walkie-talkie. I also occasionally adjust TV modulators in old game consoles etc. The strongest emitting things I own is likely a plasma globe and a violet ray (mini tesla coil, may be among 1 and worst case 10W? RF) those I certainly should not approach too close with the antenna. Which distance is safe and will I strictly need attenuators?

    • @TheSmokinApe
      @TheSmokinApe  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The TinySA can't take a signal stronger than 6dBm

  • @tzm1843
    @tzm1843 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If you already own a dummy load, could you use a Tee inline coupler to extract some RF for your power measurement?

  • @don_n5skt
    @don_n5skt ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh cool, I can measure the output of the Mercury IIIs ;) Seriously though, I do have a tap on the Mercury that attenuates the signal by 60dbm for input into the radio's receiver

    • @TheSmokinApe
      @TheSmokinApe  ปีที่แล้ว

      You need to sweep that thang, you might be riding dirty...

    • @don_n5skt
      @don_n5skt ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheSmokinApe Nah, I am running more Pure Signal on the Mercury. No IMDs at all.

  • @olegfir745
    @olegfir745 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hello, can you tell me if the attenuator has an input port and an output port? How to properly connect an attenuator? Is there a difference?

    • @TheSmokinApe
      @TheSmokinApe  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Some say they do and some say they don’t, most come marked with an in and out 👍

  • @jcvee15
    @jcvee15 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for a great video. Since the 5 watts is approximately 37 dBm, if those 5 watts are attenuated with the 40 dB attenuator, is the input of the Tiny SA being presented with -3 dBm, or about a half mW (37-40=-3)? I'm just trying to wrap my head around dBs and dBm and how they work together. Thanks again and 73.

    • @TheSmokinApe
      @TheSmokinApe  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      100% correct 👍

  • @buzzsah
    @buzzsah ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not knowing if I were going to jump back into ham, when I sold my comms store I let my Marconi. spectrum analyzer go with it. But, this tiny for the price looks like a good get me by unit.

    • @TheSmokinApe
      @TheSmokinApe  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, these are pretty useful and affordable. Thanks for watching Buzz 👍

  • @mrtechie6810
    @mrtechie6810 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have a 6GHz dummy load. How can I get a proportional sample into the TinySA from the transmission line to get an accurate power measurement?

    • @TheSmokinApe
      @TheSmokinApe  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Your going to need an RF Tap or Directional Coupler. I have a video on how to make the RF Tap 👍

    • @mrtechie6810
      @mrtechie6810 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TheSmokinApe thanks. Till what frequency is your design good?

    • @TheSmokinApe
      @TheSmokinApe  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It’s for HF, I don’t think I tested past 30MHz

  • @AccelHeight
    @AccelHeight ปีที่แล้ว

    If I keep getting a lower watt reading than expected on multiple HT’s, does that mean my attenuator is off? Setting Ext again to -42 gets me to 5w. Seems odd to me.

    • @TheSmokinApe
      @TheSmokinApe  ปีที่แล้ว

      What level is your attenuator?

  • @FEPLabsRadio
    @FEPLabsRadio ปีที่แล้ว

    Good job, son!

  • @NeurologiaFuncional
    @NeurologiaFuncional 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Could you help me measure a TMS device output with the tinySA?

    • @TheSmokinApe
      @TheSmokinApe  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I have no idea what a TMS device is?

  • @handyman7147
    @handyman7147 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice explanation. Are you using a usb isolator between the PC and TinySA.

  • @Rafael_Reali
    @Rafael_Reali ปีที่แล้ว

    Ohhhhh Thanks :) :) :)

    • @TheSmokinApe
      @TheSmokinApe  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for watching Rafael 👍

  • @ploegmma
    @ploegmma 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You could use an RF Power Snitch if your not sure about your attenuation.

    • @TheSmokinApe
      @TheSmokinApe  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yep, that would work 👍

  • @tomyeast3438
    @tomyeast3438 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for the good tip. But why are you saying 2w for a 10w attenuator among the things you're saying at 1:56 ??

    • @TheSmokinApe
      @TheSmokinApe  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey TE, I was saying if you need to use attenuators of different values put the highest power rated one closer to the radio 👍

    • @tomyeast3438
      @tomyeast3438 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheSmokinApe ​ Aha! Thank you for pointing that out exactly as well! But I was going to ask you what you mean because you POINTED to a 10W attenuator in the video and said it was rated to 2W. Are you saying that if we use a 10W 40dB attenuator on the front end, we can hook a 2W 10dB attenuator on the back end?? I'm sorry I didn't understand you well..🥲

  • @LeeMcc_KI5YPR
    @LeeMcc_KI5YPR ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Count on me to knitpick. 😁
    Power output is "dBm", an absolute number. 0 dBm = 1 mW (milli Watt)
    "dB" is relative. Sometimes you said dB when you meant dBm. Precision, son, precision! I know you can handle math better than @FEPLabs Radio!

    • @TheSmokinApe
      @TheSmokinApe  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      C'mon Lee, I always count on you to knitpick. But you make a good point, thanks for the feedback, bro 👍

  • @acestudioscouk-Ace-G0ACE
    @acestudioscouk-Ace-G0ACE ปีที่แล้ว

    A very well timed video for me Ape, thank-you. I'm just about to use my TSA Ultra for power tests for the first time. Do you have any brand recommendations or suppliers for attenuators please? I'm in the UK.

    • @acestudioscouk-Ace-G0ACE
      @acestudioscouk-Ace-G0ACE ปีที่แล้ว

      @iowahank Thanks for the advice, I appreciate it. I'm just about to run tests on the UV-K5 too! I think the world and his wife got sent a couple of samples. 🤣

    • @TheSmokinApe
      @TheSmokinApe  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hank is correct, I'm using BCEN, I think that is the brand 👍

    • @acestudioscouk-Ace-G0ACE
      @acestudioscouk-Ace-G0ACE ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheSmokinApe Thanks for the info!

  • @batfalcononyoutube
    @batfalcononyoutube ปีที่แล้ว

    What is the max power that the TinySA can handle without damaging it, in W?

    • @TheSmokinApe
      @TheSmokinApe  ปีที่แล้ว

      I believe it’s .0039811w

  • @flyingskull
    @flyingskull ปีที่แล้ว

    On 20dbm 25mW transmitter show in pW always. What im doing wrong? Using 30db 2W attenuator

    • @TheSmokinApe
      @TheSmokinApe  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey FS, I think I need so more context 👍

    • @TheSmokinApe
      @TheSmokinApe  ปีที่แล้ว

      Maybe check the “UNIT” setting in the menu 👍

  • @crackerwood661
    @crackerwood661 ปีที่แล้ว

    cool!

  • @brownj2
    @brownj2 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    can handle 6dB of what in? dBm, dBw, dBn?

    • @TheSmokinApe
      @TheSmokinApe  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      dBm, but I would be careful with that.

  • @mcgrath16511
    @mcgrath16511 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    DAD GUMIT!! now i have to have one of these! LOL! as always informative and easy for even an old guy like me gets it! 73 KD2ICI.

    • @TheSmokinApe
      @TheSmokinApe  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for watching McGrath 👍

    • @mcgrath16511
      @mcgrath16511 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TheSmokinApe my tinysa came in the mail today.. LET THE MADNESS BEGIN!! I am sure I will be referring back to your videos more than once!

    • @TheSmokinApe
      @TheSmokinApe  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mcgrath16511 awesome man 👍

  • @beboba2498
    @beboba2498 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don't understand why do we see 37dbm instead of 40dbm ? Your radio produces 40dbm - 40dbm of attenuation + 40dbm for leveling = 40dbm

    • @TheSmokinApe
      @TheSmokinApe  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      40dBm is 10w, this radio is 5w which is 37dBm. Hope that helps...

    • @beboba2498
      @beboba2498 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TheSmokinApe My bad, thanks

    • @TheSmokinApe
      @TheSmokinApe  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@beboba2498 no worries

  • @JAKOB1977
    @JAKOB1977 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hmm grrr.