Not actually reality though is it. You are in fact shortening their life, maybe not by much, but still this statement is literally so untrue it's ridiculous.
@@jamesharrison2763Terminally I'll people are dying. If someone has 6months of pain and anguish and chooses to go in 3, isn't that shortening their death?
@@Wintermute9366 There will be no choice. It will happen like this. Costing the Govenment too much pension and or health care, bye. You are no longer productive to society and dont have money, bye. A relative cant be bothered to look after you and wants your house or money and have power of attorney, bye. We dont like what you are saying, declared mentally ill, bye. They will be no safe guards. I said no I am going to fight this disease, bye, oops thought you said yes my bad sorry.
All fun and games till the government decides who. Matter of time till "accidents" happen. Also dont compare the list of nations with assisted deleting and mass imigration, you may figure something out.
To me, its utterly wildly incomprehensible how anyone can be against this. If you are, please answer me this: If you were terminally ill with lung cancer, progressively dying while in unbearable crippling pain as fluid filled your lungs (always happens with lung cancer), leaving you to slowly and helplessly drown from the inside out - like being waterboarded 24/7 for weeks or even months - wouldn’t you want to call it a day? The so called slippery slopes (which wrent an issue in countries where its legal) unfortunrely don't even come remotely close to justify forced months long torture
Look at the MAID programme in Canada- this bill will be used to cull anyone who is considered a 'burden' on public finances- the poor, the disabled, the elderly, the mentally ill. After the past 4 years, do you really trust the government with decisions about your life and death?
It's against God's laws for a start and that's the most important thing and everybody has full sympathy with the kind of thing that you are describing there with lung cancer but there are drugs to deal with matters like that. 'The slippery slope' as you call it is a danger because it leads to the death pill being handed over the counter top by the pharmacy and it will eventually find its way into retirement homes, nightclubs, nurseries, mosques. Just imagine the magnitude of problems that's going to cause to the greater good. Personally, I really don't like people like you who think on a very personalistic and individualistic level and can't see the bigger complications that are going to be caused on a wider scale by this law change.
you are free to end your life yourself no? suicide is rightfully not criminalised. why does the state and doctors have to get involved. imagine harold shipman with this sort of power. not to mention the extra burden on the nhs this new service will cause.
That's the problem. Not all are terminally ill. You know, someone already predicted this, they couldn't solve the rise of rent or housing problems, they wouldn't solve mental health problems, or the rise of chronic diseases And there is a war on white people because of migrants are invading westerb countries. Solution? Legal murder masked as assisted suicide. The west already accepted that infanticide is "normal" abortion masked as "reproductive rights" Don't be surprised that a simple fever would lead to assisted suicide. It will come sooner than you think.
Oh no, GOD have mercy…. What a wicked bill that is being passed. I fear for many vulnerable people. Whose voice cannot be heard. Who will be manipulated by relatives, and by the state. Lord help us.
Your right , didn't they teach us , the most 😖 painful thing in your life 🧬 is the first breath 🫁, and the least is your last 😢😮 all a lie now then , our parents made us , so its not up too us to die , they made it , its respect.That we live it .😢
@@DianeOfori Life is a test. Part of that test is the final exam. Everyone takes it. I personally have seen many non believers ask for help, especially overseas on military operations. 33 years service in total. I have seen the best and worst of what hummanity has to offer. I can not speak for anyone but me. I will not give up my life without a fight no matter the pain. On my exam day I will not take the easy way out just to finish early. A lot will make that decision for their loved ones because they cant take the pain even though they themselves arent terminally ill. A lot will take power of attorney, including the state and end peoples lives because its convient.
Like the MP said, it's an issue of death or death. There's no life for a dying person. This legislation is for a more compassionate and dignified end. There's nothing to argue against for that.
Imagine being on the side of literally killing people nobody can force anyone to stay alive, and if you want to die you always have a chance, throughout your entire life. This is a bad idea.
It’s just a bunch of sheep who keep believing the law will fix everything they still haven’t fixed the nhs and the clearly are not stopping youngsters from stealing and vaping.
Why, why why is everything so ridiculously over debated in the uk, its probably why not much ever gets done. Its a reflection how society is so ingrained by this woke culture.
I thank all the MPs for their thoughtfulness and rationality, I don't know how I would have voted but I am glad the debate was so good and I am happy to support the result
It won’t be. That’s kind of the point. Murder is defined as the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. Unlawful being the key phrase here. Once the law is passed making it legal, assisted suicide will no longer defined as murder, that’s the point of the bill.
@tomvandersteen5880 same thing different phrasing human taking a human life it’s murder with fancy words to make it sound less worse of course the government would be happy about this doesn’t anyone see this works in their favour? Wait till in a few years teenagers and children will also be allowed to choose.
What happens nxt is the elderly forced into care homes by relatives who want to sell their houses or dont have time or cant be bothered with them will be given the choice care home or death and yrs 40 yrs working oi health care it happens all the time
End of life plan in the NHS has always been assisted dying by proxy. My Gran wanted to live, she suffered from a series of mini strokes. The hospital put her on the end of life plan. Doing so put her on the nil by mouth list and do not resuscitate. She was left for 3 weeks in this state before she died! I believe if she was sufficiently nourished she would of survived. I personally stand by the laws of the gods, suicide is a sin! This government who cares not for our elderly or disabled and mentally ill people will lead us to more corruption and more deaths within our poorer working class. We are the "drain" on society that they want rid off. Any Doctor who stood for assisted dying has broken the Hypocratic oath!
Yeah assisted dying for those with terminal illnesses and who are specifically asking for that is fine. But give a few years and they will loosen these conditions, just like they did in canada, next you thing you know they are talking about offering death to people with depression and offering it to terminally ill people left right and centre rather than those who express a want to pursue this. So yeah i agree with this first stepping stone, BUT i also recognise that the slippery slope has begun and i do not trust our healthcare system to get this right.
My thoughts exactly - the Canada, Holland & Belgium examples show how this will get extended - this is as thorny an issue as when to ethically allow abortion.
A step backwards for this Country, but a massive step forwards for the unscrupulous! Right to die will become DUTY to die in the blink of an eye! "Oh, but look at all the safeguards", they will cry. Look at the supposed 'safeguards' in 1967 and look what we have now! A principle has been broken and now it's a slippery slope. Human Nature is not good enough to cope with doing this responsibly, even if you accept the principle, which I do not. Leadbetter has let the genie out of the lamp and there will be those living in fear of living under the shadow of this Bill. Those who assert that this is an acceptable practice sometimes forget that someone else is required to help in this, the 'assisted' title of the Bill. And those below, who take exception to my standpoint, please remember that HARD CASES make for BAD LAWS. It is never a good idea to try to legislate from the standpoint of the most difficult cases. Just wait until the loosening of the conditions! Oh yes, it will happen as night follows day.
A patient can disagree with treatment, reject treatment. Why can't they tell you they don't want to suffer? It's not about you it's about them, this bill is to offer a choice not forcing treatment that those don't want
Hey I'm with you OP (I'm banned from tagging people apparently), these idiots aren't even grateful for your work or respect your opinion, but I do. It would be sad to lose a nurse, but I can see your perspective for sure.
I’m not happy for the assistant dying because one it is against my religion and two I’m not going to kill my disabled son because the authorities want to save money
Spartans practiced euthanasia. Why they did that? Survival of the Fittest: Spartans believed only the strong could contribute to the city-state's survival, especially in a war-focused society. Resource Allocation: Limited resources necessitated prioritizing those deemed capable of strengthening society. Cultural Ideology: Spartan culture idealized physical strength, discipline, and military prowess, often at the expense of compassion for the vulnerable.
We're no longer in Spartan environment. We're not fighting against other armies. We're in a modern world to make sure we know our freedoms well that we don't interfere with the freedom of others.
This is where it has all gone wrong as far as the parliamentary process is concerned. All the MPs here were making speeches about their own personal experience. The vote is about representing the interest of their local people and they should have gone back to talk to them and get a feel what their local population feels about the issue. Her or his daughters are not relevant here - this is not meant to be a vote based on the MPs' personal experience on the issue !
How would the doctor know that someone has 6 months to live? Several people have lived years beyond the time the doctor said they would live. This is a very dark day in this country.
Dont want it dont request it. Or You can even request it get approval and then wait until the point of pallative treatment withdrawal where you would have bee left die anyways. Its ultimately the individuals choice not for virtue signallers like yourself to dictate.
@lauriehawkins7977 This just shows how ignorant and naïve you are. I'd do anything to have a life like you've had apparently. If you saw the darkness that some people see, you'd understand why people want a way out. People like you are the reason this country is going to the dogs
Agreed. The actor from Rocky 1 (not stallone) was told that he only has 2 years to live. Not only he survived 9 years in cancer, he announced lately that he is cancer FREE. People should not depend on professionals too much. Scary world we live in
@@chindit6784 requesting now.... forcing it soon. Wake up. Scary times ahead. We all need Jesus at this point. Its right at our faces but we refuse to see where this is headed. Spoilet alert. Not good. We will be hearing news about suing
@@MinkieWinkle Not an internet poll, - 1036 registered disabled people were surveyed for the poll. In Scotland, in 2023, a poll of 1086 people found that, of those surveyed who claimed some sort of disability, 79% there also supported assisted dying. I'd be interested to see any polls done by established polling companies which contradict such findings.
coercion does not have to be overt, or personal: societal expectation is built by what is legal: for what is legal will be seen as moral, and from permission there will come a more or less subtle demand that the dying choose death: and the criterial will undoubtedly expand.
They better watch out for what they wish for. How many doctors are in prison for harming and killing patients. This bill if finally passed will be abused. There will never ever be enough safeguards.
@sillypuppy:- This is a life and death law and not one to be taken lightly. If all laws are abused as you say, then it is all the more reason that assisted dying should never be passed in law.
This will sadly save the NHS spending money , government social care spending money and then the patent care support system with family members etc......😢😢😢
@@touriel8943 :- He will get lower numbers if he deports illegal and legal migrants to lower the population figures and which would be majorly beneficial to the economy.
@@touriel8943 This Government can tell the public anything thinking we are gullible. They are not to be trusted with assistant dying and will tweak this bill if it is passed to their own evil purpose. They have more to deal with of importance than this and will use this as a distraction
@@alexd7029 My opinion is that they aim to do what Babylon did - move all the nations into other peoples countries to make them less cohesive, therefor controllable
Is America going to follow UK and allow assisted dying or are the homeless going to have to keep taking horse tranquilizers living without sleep and going to jail. I was living out of my backpack in a car in the city as a homeless person. I took my backpack to the Appalachian Trail where living out of a backpack is legal and stop being homeless grateful to be alive for all the beauty I was seeing… Mother nature doesn't make homelessness she accepts her children.… Americans should legalize through hiking and stop calling people criminals if they have trouble saying the Pledge of Allegiance.
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That people have control over their own death? Your comment is an insult to shipmans victims , shipman murdered people, he killed people against their will.
@@bb5979What’s your evidence for that? If I were terminally ill with only a few months to live in which I will be in unbearable suffering and pain I would want the choice to end it peacefully with my family around me instead of writhing in agony, why does that make me somehow insane? If you claim you’d never make that choice for yourself then fine, don’t make it, but why take it away from others? Sounds like you’re just taking your personal opinion and intend to force it on others to me.
Thank goodness MPs actually did this. I thought this country was incapable of being progressive! This is what the majority of people want so I'm glad MPs did the right thing.
There is nothing progressive about giving the government the power over who lives and who dies. It won't be long until this regs abused, regs will be relaxed, and before you know it, treatment or end will be a choice out of your control. You know how hard it is for pet owners to make that decision. Treatment Cost vs put down Now imagine how easy it would be for a government with ZERO emotional attachment to you, your family etc, to make such decisions. Because that is the can you have just opened
@@bobdigi500:- Wrong! This is a step backwards and not progressive in a civilised society. Quality palliative care is the answer and resources ploughed into that, not killing. All patient’s can be made comfortable and pain free with love and attention to their needs. God above decides when you come into this world and he is the One who decides when you leave. No one else.
The Liverpool Care Pathway which stopped food and water to those considered to be 'dying' was a self-fulfilling prophecy. Of course if you deny a person food and water they are going to die! This bill is not about choice- it is about MONEY!
My position is most difficult. I have to uphold sanctity of life and that means I have to uphold the Church of England position on this! I can't advocate it on the basis as argued. I could say that I stand in ambiguous territory! I can see how much it applies to me in regard with the bill. I have to oppose it in line with Church of England policy, and I am aware that may well make it a potential issue of being hypocritical in the state of the Church of England currently! But I had to choose! I am concerned about that pressure on vulnerable communities and that I choose to do so. And oppose..
This IS the top of a sippery slope. Given the NHS experimental excesses in Trans health care (see Cass Report) - how can they be trusted with this? The Canada, Holland & Belgium examples show how this will get extended - this is as thorny an issue as when to ethically allow abortion.
For the people who are so desperate that they feel this is their best option. I hope I never share their experience. I also hope I am not a relative of someone who feels that way ,although i cannot explain why ? I,ll support this ,because ive seen a close friend ,lose life ,bit by bit . But i do NOT believe she would have chose this option . The safe gaurds to this MUST be extreme . This is state assisted suicide ,and whether you support it or not ,it is being heavily cloaked under the term" Compassion ." As I said ,i,ll support this, but Im extremely uncomfortable with it. Anyone who is not in the position of the gravely ill ,who says they are comfortable with it ,should NOT be listened too. Any comments ,if at all that suggest I am "on the fence " ,yes I am , but if you are not ,and support this fully ,go take a long look at yourself.
Quite a misleading title for anyone who isn’t following this bill. It has not been brought into law and legalised as the title suggests. It has passed first reading, with several further steps required in both houses….
You are contradicting the word of god right now. If you’re a women you should not be speaking in public and I bet you are wearing mixed fabrics right now . Also are you aware your book says we live in a giant snow globe with holes to let all the water from space in as rain, that the sun revolves around the earth and that it’s completely fine and normal to own slaves? So no the “word of god” is not a good place to look for truth.
I'm afraid to say the west is losing their past 😥.... The only way out of this to bring together more communities to fight this woke ideologies that are making new and more new laws.
Im a nurse ive seen many patients who are palliative die horribly and in pain. I dont beljeve there is a palliative care model that can achually deal with that amount of suffering.
@alexd7029 You're right but I'm afraid many people do. By Modern Medicines do you mean palliative medication like opoids, anti emetics? If that they case they don't always work the way they should. I've seen people waiting for cancer to constrict their juggler and bleed to death. What can modern medicine do about that?
Now it's going to the committee stage will they then: Look at younger people with the capacity to make such decisions; Then people without that capacity but in similar circumstances. Will they determine which doctors will be involved? Will they determine what is actually meant by terminal and how timescale is determined? Will they determine which cocktail of drugs is most effective at completing the deed in a humane way? If someone goes beyond 6 months will they be ineligible? There are many questions still to answer now that Pandora's box has been opened.
This is the right choice and at the end of the day it's an individuals choice to make. You don't have to choose this option. I choose dignity over suffering and I'm so happy to know this option will be available to me if I need it. I don't want my children to watch me suffer and slowly fade away, that will stay with them forever.
What dignity you talking about like leaving your family because you can’t hold on for hope for better treatment. You should be asking for funding for research into health issues to fix them not kill off people.
Supported outside by people who would feel bad with committing suicide as if it would matter once done . But they don't want to feel bad before. Before you jump to conclusion, I talk about people who can stand up and live, not about those who need to die.
It will definitely be abused. There are not too many safegaurds. THEY'RE PLACING NEW LAWS TO REACH EVERY ORDINARY HUMANS LIVES MORE AND MORE. ITS ALARMING. ANOTHER 1984 IS COMING.@dannydexter8989
I really dont know how i feel about this bill one end there is people who are in so much pain that need this as i could end up on the other side i want life to be preserved but not if they are suffering there has to be safeguards to this
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It was painful and dramatic being born into this world. Living also comes with much emotional and physical pain. Death, in the same vein will bring pain and suffering. Acceptance of what is...
There are legitimate arguments on both sides here. But like all issues now, politics and ideology and point-scoring has taken over. You're a Lefty atheist, well of course you're for it. You're a traditionalist or religious, of course it's awful to you, and dangerous. The neutral sober issues are ignored as partisan ideological warfare dominates.
Are you so selfish that you think this is all about you? Do you not understand that there are people out there suffering with things you couldn't possibly, with your gnat sized brain, understand? Just because you were born years ago, doesn't make you wise. Imagine your child had lung cancer. Every day it felt like they were drowning because of fluid on the lungs. The doctors can't help you and medication won't numb the pain. Could you sit there day after day and watch them suffer, no matter how much they beg you for death? If you could then you are scum and we need less of people like you here
Government directed and approved. "But its not ethnic cleansing guys". Just dont compare where this is promoted and mass migration, and DEFINITELY DO NOT look up the demographics of its use. 🤣
@@kogaiononN With respect, dont be so utterly ridiculous, we dont have the right to deny a terminally ill person not to have that option to end their life if they choose to do so in exceptional circumstances.
I can make as many stupid decisions in my life as I want to.. go bungee jumping, set up a water slide from my roof etc but my last choice is taken from me? I’ve never understood that! animals have that right, yet we don’t? if I were dying I know I would want to go out with dignity & not slowly fade away.
A vicar who promotes assisted suicide and and says maybe God supports this. You couldn't make it up. How can you be a vicar and not believe in the book you are suppose to preach from. Doesn't the God of the Bible say "thou shalt not kill"? I guess this is what God thinks.
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The Bible promotes life, it's all through Genesis. Prolonged dying under extreme suffering does not sanctify life, it treats it with callous disregard. It counts life is cheap, when one person can inflict unendurable cruelty on another, in support of his own interpretations and ideologies. It is a very dangerous ideology that promotes the idea that inflicting suffering on people is “God’s will.” The whole point of the Abrahamic faiths is that they end human sacrifice. Criminalising assisted suicide is inflicting two types of human sacrifice: the person who is dying in agony and the person who is criminalised for wanting to end their suffering. The Bible mentions at least six people who committed suicide (Judges 9:54; 1 Samuel 31:4-6; 2 Samuel 17:23; 1 Kings 16:18; Matthew 27:5). The Bible nowhere explicitly states, "it is a sin to commit suicide." Murder is wrongful killing, not all suicide is wrongful killing. Right of self defense. If others can be killed in self defense, surely killing one’s own body in self defense is even more permissible. The being in Psalm 103 is incompatible with one who would inflict unbearable suffering on his creations. “Canon Harper said she could not believe in a God who would require “the most extreme suffering” … “Nor do I believe that holding on to life at all costs is the uncontested goal of humanity. The crucifixion itself demonstrates that there are higher goals than the preservation of one’s life. John 15.3: There is no greater love than to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.” Why would a God who offered “freedom of will” insist that it be removed over such a profound decision? Inflicting degrading and unbearable suffering, is entirely incompatible with a compassionate God. “You could actually make quite a cogent argument to say that there is a suicidal element to the crucifixion. Jesus knew perfectly well what was to happen, and he did not count his life just simply going on more valuable than the higher task he had to do. There are deeper moral issues about your life than just making it go on and on for ever as long as it can go.” "Death is not the end of everything, so I am not so concerned about an endless prolongation of my life-certainly not under conditions that are no longer compatible with human dignity." "Many Christians feel God is not honoured by a person (made in the 'image' of God) abdicating her autonomy and freedom of will and passively submitting to 'fate'." "There is nothing faithful about relinquishing responsibility.” "Few would now accept the view that one range of actions belongs wholly to the sphere of human free will and another wholly to God. God does not lay exclusive claims to decisions about ending one's life." Prof and Dr Jacques Poheir Life Stances and Choice in Dying: A Catholic Viewpoint in Favour of Voluntary Euthanasia and of Assisted Suicide christiansforvad.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Life_Stances_and_Choice_In_Dying_Pohier.pdf Christians Supporting Choice for Voluntary Assisted Dying christiansforvad.org.au/bible-facts/ “ An instructive story is relayed about the great sage, Rabbi Yehudah HaNassi (2nd century CE) as he lay dying. As his disciples weren’t ready to let him pass on, they raised a wall of uninterrupted prayers between him and Death so that his soul could not be taken. But Rabbi Yehudah’s maid saw the physical agony her master was experiencing in his protracted dying process. She climbed upon the roof of the house and, from there, threw a jar that shattered loudly. Startled, the rabbis interrupted their continuous praying and, in that moment, Rabbi Yehudah’s soul departed. It is said that the maid was rewarded in the World to Come. This oft-quoted story shows that Jewish law not only demands compassion for the suffering of a dying patient but opposes the unnecessary pain of a prolonged dying process. Rabbi Yosse ben Halafta (also 2nd century CE) was once visited by a very old woman who complained to him that life had become too bitter to live, that she could no longer find pleasure in it and that she wanted to die. Rabbi Yosse asked her to what she attributed her longevity. She replied that she had never missed a prayer service at her local synagogue. The rabbi proceeded to tell her to keep from attending services for the next three days. Following his advice, she became ill and died on the third day. Though it wasn’t suicide - since she died of illness - didn’t Rabbi Yosse “prescribe” a way to hasten her own death?”
The wish to not be a burden is a choice people should have. I certainly would like to have it. To argue that emotional coercion would be the only factor for people to make a decision to end their life puts them in a pathetic context of inferiority. Personal dignity for all.
How much of the “burden” is caused by not having proper state provision of palliative and end of life care support services other than your own family ?
A dark day indeed, it was only a few years ago the government mandated and forced treatment upon the public. How long do you think it will be unill the bill ends up with much losses regulations.
this need to have strictly rule for safeguarding what people will when they choose to be dying or not, if not this bill will look similar like rick and morty universe
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"We are shortening death, not life" Dr Prinsley's profund words sum up everything as far as I'm concerned.
Seems that the well-funded Assist Killing lobby have some skillful PR experts on their side.
@@antispindr8613which lobby groups would those be?
"We are encouraging this in very specific nations with mass immigration" is what she meant.
Not actually reality though is it.
You are in fact shortening their life, maybe not by much, but still this statement is literally so untrue it's ridiculous.
@@jamesharrison2763Terminally I'll people are dying. If someone has 6months of pain and anguish and chooses to go in 3, isn't that shortening their death?
We all hope to live a long and healthy life and not suffer unnecessarily at the end. Give people the right to choose whats best for themselves.
And play God?
@@Wintermute9366 There will be no choice. It will happen like this. Costing the Govenment too much pension and or health care, bye. You are no longer productive to society and dont have money, bye. A relative cant be bothered to look after you and wants your house or money and have power of attorney, bye. We dont like what you are saying, declared mentally ill, bye. They will be no safe guards. I said no I am going to fight this disease, bye, oops thought you said yes my bad sorry.
@@mrbaker7443Well, it’s not playing. It’s a serious decision. If you want to bring a god into it though, that would Hades.
@@mrbaker7443gods not real.
All fun and games till the government decides who.
Matter of time till "accidents" happen.
Also dont compare the list of nations with assisted deleting and mass imigration, you may figure something out.
To me, its utterly wildly incomprehensible how anyone can be against this. If you are, please answer me this: If you were terminally ill with lung cancer, progressively dying while in unbearable crippling pain as fluid filled your lungs (always happens with lung cancer), leaving you to slowly and helplessly drown from the inside out - like being waterboarded 24/7 for weeks or even months - wouldn’t you want to call it a day? The so called slippery slopes (which wrent an issue in countries where its legal) unfortunrely don't even come remotely close to justify forced months long torture
Look at the MAID programme in Canada- this bill will be used to cull anyone who is considered a 'burden' on public finances- the poor, the disabled, the elderly, the mentally ill. After the past 4 years, do you really trust the government with decisions about your life and death?
It's against God's laws for a start and that's the most important thing and everybody has full sympathy with the kind of thing that you are describing there with lung cancer but there are drugs to deal with matters like that. 'The slippery slope' as you call it is a danger because it leads to the death pill being handed over the counter top by the pharmacy and it will eventually find its way into retirement homes, nightclubs, nurseries, mosques. Just imagine the magnitude of problems that's going to cause to the greater good. Personally, I really don't like people like you who think on a very personalistic and individualistic level and can't see the bigger complications that are going to be caused on a wider scale by this law change.
The government deciding who can be legally deleted, surely they wont use this against people later 🤣RIGHT? 🤣
you are free to end your life yourself no? suicide is rightfully not criminalised. why does the state and doctors have to get involved. imagine harold shipman with this sort of power. not to mention the extra burden on the nhs this new service will cause.
That's the problem. Not all are terminally ill. You know, someone already predicted this, they couldn't solve the rise of rent or housing problems, they wouldn't solve mental health problems, or the rise of chronic diseases And there is a war on white people because of migrants are invading westerb countries. Solution? Legal murder masked as assisted suicide. The west already accepted that infanticide is "normal" abortion masked as "reproductive rights"
Don't be surprised that a simple fever would lead to assisted suicide. It will come sooner than you think.
Oh no, GOD have mercy…. What a wicked bill that is being passed.
I fear for many vulnerable people. Whose voice cannot be heard. Who will be manipulated by relatives, and by the state. Lord help us.
Hopefully you never have experience such an awful painful illness.
Your right , didn't they teach us , the most 😖 painful thing in your life 🧬 is the first breath 🫁, and the least is your last 😢😮 all a lie now then , our parents made us , so its not up too us to die , they made it , its respect.That we live it .😢
@@DianeOfori Life is a test. Part of that test is the final exam. Everyone takes it. I personally have seen many non believers ask for help, especially overseas on military operations. 33 years service in total. I have seen the best and worst of what hummanity has to offer. I can not speak for anyone but me. I will not give up my life without a fight no matter the pain. On my exam day I will not take the easy way out just to finish early. A lot will make that decision for their loved ones because they cant take the pain even though they themselves arent terminally ill. A lot will take power of attorney, including the state and end peoples lives because its convient.
Imagine being on the side of "forcibly keeping people alive". Slippery slope arguments are not enough to defend your position fellas.
100%. Would you believe we have people today that are pro torture. Utter insanity
Theyre just preparing for the takeover by foreigners
Like the MP said, it's an issue of death or death. There's no life for a dying person. This legislation is for a more compassionate and dignified end. There's nothing to argue against for that.
@@bendlortotally wrong. Would you believe we have people like you who are pro murder? Terrible
Imagine being on the side of literally killing people
nobody can force anyone to stay alive, and if you want to die you always have a chance, throughout your entire life.
This is a bad idea.
With cuts in adult social care, cuts in palliative care, mental health services, what are you talking about Marie?
It's incredibly naïve to believe that the 'safeguards' will stop this law from being abused.
It’s just a bunch of sheep who keep believing the law will fix everything they still haven’t fixed the nhs and the clearly are not stopping youngsters from stealing and vaping.
Why, why why is everything so ridiculously over debated in the uk, its probably why not much ever gets done. Its a reflection how society is so ingrained by this woke culture.
In the 60s we were told that abortion would only be used in rare and exceptional cases
They keep removing Christian rules that made our society this is consequence of our society every immoral thing is acceptable.
This is not remotely the same as abortion. Grow up.
We can totally trust our honest, decent, caring politicians when they say they are introducing something for 'our own good'.
This.
I thank all the MPs for their thoughtfulness and rationality, I don't know how I would have voted but I am glad the debate was so good and I am happy to support the result
Lets unburden ourselves the poor and disabled! Yay! Useless eaters to the void!
Confusion hath made its masterpiece.
This isn't assisted dying or assisted suicide, its assisted murder.
How is a Terminally ill person choosing not to suffer, murder?
It won’t be. That’s kind of the point. Murder is defined as the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. Unlawful being the key phrase here. Once the law is passed making it legal, assisted suicide will no longer defined as murder, that’s the point of the bill.
It isn't.
@tomvandersteen5880 same thing different phrasing human taking a human life it’s murder with fancy words to make it sound less worse of course the government would be happy about this doesn’t anyone see this works in their favour? Wait till in a few years teenagers and children will also be allowed to choose.
You can’t murder yourself so that makes no sense.
"Live my own death" - these people are soulless and deranged.
What happens nxt is the elderly forced into care homes by relatives who want to sell their houses or dont have time or cant be bothered with them will be given the choice care home or death and yrs 40 yrs working oi health care it happens all the time
I was in favour, having listened to the arguments there are are simply more con’s than pro’s and I have changed my mind
End of life plan in the NHS has always been assisted dying by proxy. My Gran wanted to live, she suffered from a series of mini strokes. The hospital put her on the end of life plan. Doing so put her on the nil by mouth list and do not resuscitate. She was left for 3 weeks in this state before she died! I believe if she was sufficiently nourished she would of survived. I personally stand by the laws of the gods, suicide is a sin! This government who cares not for our elderly or disabled and mentally ill people will lead us to more corruption and more deaths within our poorer working class. We are the "drain" on society that they want rid off.
Any Doctor who stood for assisted dying has broken the Hypocratic oath!
Praying the bill won't be passed. This is such a cruel and sad time for the west. I wouldn't have this kind of west to survive after ww2.
Humans are not Infallible....they make mistakes. How will you deal with mistaken cases where someone maybe misdiagnosed as terminal.
Exactly
Great point. That is actually quite a chilling thought. It's not a clear cut issue.
@@benfisher1376that’s why us humans shouldn’t mess with things we don’t understand
Yeah assisted dying for those with terminal illnesses and who are specifically asking for that is fine.
But give a few years and they will loosen these conditions, just like they did in canada, next you thing you know they are talking about offering death to people with depression and offering it to terminally ill people left right and centre rather than those who express a want to pursue this.
So yeah i agree with this first stepping stone, BUT i also recognise that the slippery slope has begun and i do not trust our healthcare system to get this right.
Exactly just like abortions
My thoughts exactly - the Canada, Holland & Belgium examples show how this will get extended - this is as thorny an issue as when to ethically allow abortion.
@@jamesharrison2763 :-
Absolutely correct.
It will be a massive incentive for governments to cut costs in the NHS, because assisted murder is cheaper.
I think you should do more reading into this bill, it isn’t possible for it to be expanded in the way you’re describing
FFS, you don't even get to choose! They decide for you if you are very old and ill. Red Rum.
Get your tin hat back on before the Lizards get you.
No! Do not allow it because terminally ill adults and children who have disabilities are vulnerable
A step backwards for this Country, but a massive step forwards for the unscrupulous! Right to die will become DUTY to die in the blink of an eye! "Oh, but look at all the safeguards", they will cry. Look at the supposed 'safeguards' in 1967 and look what we have now! A principle has been broken and now it's a slippery slope. Human Nature is not good enough to cope with doing this responsibly, even if you accept the principle, which I do not. Leadbetter has let the genie out of the lamp and there will be those living in fear of living under the shadow of this Bill. Those who assert that this is an acceptable practice sometimes forget that someone else is required to help in this, the 'assisted' title of the Bill. And those below, who take exception to my standpoint, please remember that HARD CASES make for BAD LAWS. It is never a good idea to try to legislate from the standpoint of the most difficult cases. Just wait until the loosening of the conditions! Oh yes, it will happen as night follows day.
Fist off your an idiot. Second, how dare you demand people suffer in agony to satisfy your warped "morals"
We have just stepped onto the very very slippery slope.
I am a nurse. I was trained to save lives. I am resigning.
A patient can disagree with treatment, reject treatment. Why can't they tell you they don't want to suffer? It's not about you it's about them, this bill is to offer a choice not forcing treatment that those don't want
Resign..u lot don't care after all..u co sign deliberate dnr
Bye then. You’re paid to do a job x
Hey I'm with you OP (I'm banned from tagging people apparently), these idiots aren't even grateful for your work or respect your opinion, but I do.
It would be sad to lose a nurse, but I can see your perspective for sure.
@jujun6465 good riddance to bad blood
Shame on Cathy Newman of Channel 4 News for what she did on Jan 16, 2018!
I’m not happy for the assistant dying because one it is against my religion and two I’m not going to kill my disabled son because the authorities want to save money
Spartans practiced euthanasia.
Why they did that?
Survival of the Fittest: Spartans believed only the strong could contribute to the city-state's survival, especially in a war-focused society.
Resource Allocation: Limited resources necessitated prioritizing those deemed capable of strengthening society.
Cultural Ideology: Spartan culture idealized physical strength, discipline, and military prowess, often at the expense of compassion for the vulnerable.
Very interesting but not apllicable
@sheep3370
Just wait haha this is just the start. Looking forward to the scandals incoming from this. Paperwork “mistakes” and such.
@@Aber527lgiz :- This is the backward step this Government is taking and this could not be said to be progressive in a supposed civilised .
Spartans were based.
We're no longer in Spartan environment. We're not fighting against other armies. We're in a modern world to make sure we know our freedoms well that we don't interfere with the freedom of others.
Nothing good will come of this.
This is where it has all gone wrong as far as the parliamentary process is concerned. All the MPs here were making speeches about their own personal experience. The vote is about representing the interest of their local people and they should have gone back to talk to them and get a feel what their local population feels about the issue. Her or his daughters are not relevant here - this is not meant to be a vote based on the MPs' personal experience on the issue !
The disturbing reality of socialised medicine.
Yeh NHS cut .
This obviously is part of their plan 😢
🤦♂️
What is a Reverend 16:08 Canon doing supporting assisted suicide? Equitable palliative care is urgently required.
How would the doctor know that someone has 6 months to live? Several people have lived years beyond the time the doctor said they would live. This is a very dark day in this country.
Dont want it dont request it. Or You can even request it get approval and then wait until the point of pallative treatment withdrawal where you would have bee left die anyways. Its ultimately the individuals choice not for virtue signallers like yourself to dictate.
@lauriehawkins7977 This just shows how ignorant and naïve you are. I'd do anything to have a life like you've had apparently. If you saw the darkness that some people see, you'd understand why people want a way out. People like you are the reason this country is going to the dogs
Agreed. The actor from Rocky 1 (not stallone) was told that he only has 2 years to live. Not only he survived 9 years in cancer, he announced lately that he is cancer FREE. People should not depend on professionals too much. Scary world we live in
@@chindit6784 requesting now.... forcing it soon. Wake up. Scary times ahead. We all need Jesus at this point. Its right at our faces but we refuse to see where this is headed. Spoilet alert. Not good. We will be hearing news about suing
There's no certainty about anything in life, the person could have a miracle and survive a lot longer than possible who knows 😅
Dimming the lights even more in this country. A dark day indeed when we are told we can now legislate ourselves out of life.
Marie just threw poor disabled ppl under the bus
@@ElizabethPerez-db1xc According to a Times/YouGov poll among disabled people taken in 2013, 79% supported assisted dying and only 8% opposed.
Ahh yeah. Yougov a INTERNET poll where the vast majority of elderly do not use. Super reliable isn't it....
@@MinkieWinkle Not an internet poll, - 1036 registered disabled people were surveyed for the poll. In Scotland, in 2023, a poll of 1086 people found that, of those surveyed who claimed some sort of disability, 79% there also supported assisted dying. I'd be interested to see any polls done by established polling companies which contradict such findings.
@@cebusapella9125 I'm disabled and I don't remember being asked for a poll. Where is YouGov getting these numbers from?
Slippery slope. We went from save granny at all costs 4 years ago to granny can die in 4 years.
They might start charging 50% of the assets for the assistance
So basically legalised for sucide. How does futurama predict this future correctly
coercion does not have to be overt, or personal: societal expectation is built by what is legal: for what is legal will be seen as moral, and from permission there will come a more or less subtle demand that the dying choose death: and the criterial will undoubtedly expand.
They better watch out for what they wish for.
How many doctors are in prison for harming and killing patients.
This bill if finally passed will be abused. There will never ever be enough safeguards.
All according to plan, theyre just preparing to have a legal excuses for those against the "new citizens"
A very fair point to make.
Talking about safeguards, those who wish to end it are currently not safe from pain and distress. And show me a law that is not abused.
@sillypuppy:- This is a life and death law and not one to be taken lightly. If all laws are abused as you say, then it is all the more reason that assisted dying should never be passed in law.
Those with severe PTSD and untreatable depression needs easy access to it. They know horrors you'd never know about in life.
Disgraceful
Shame on them.
This will sadly save the NHS spending money , government social care spending money and then the patent care support system with family members etc......😢😢😢
Lest we forget that Black Rock Larry has just said that lower population numbers is good for the economy
@@touriel8943 :- He will get lower numbers if he deports illegal and legal migrants to lower the population
figures and which would be majorly beneficial to the economy.
@@touriel8943 This Government can tell the public anything thinking we are gullible. They are not to be trusted with assistant dying and will tweak this bill if it is passed to their own evil purpose.
They have more to deal with of importance than this and will use this as a distraction
@@alexd7029 My opinion is that they aim to do what Babylon did - move all the nations into other peoples countries to make them less cohesive, therefor controllable
Is America going to follow UK and allow assisted dying or are the homeless going to have to keep taking horse tranquilizers living without sleep and going to jail. I was living out of my backpack in a car in the city as a homeless person. I took my backpack to the Appalachian Trail where living out of a backpack is legal and stop being homeless grateful to be alive for all the beauty I was seeing… Mother nature doesn't make homelessness she accepts her children.… Americans should legalize through hiking and stop calling people criminals if they have trouble saying the Pledge of Allegiance.
Why do people think it is any of their business whether someone chooses to die. It should be like ordering something from Amazon.
Exactly, it's a personal choice.
@Jo-AnnSimmonite not when they try and force us to do it
This is bad faith politics.
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Shipman would be proud.
That people have control over their own death?
Your comment is an insult to shipmans victims , shipman murdered people, he killed people against their will.
@@CyclingInKilkenny You are a fool, they won't have control, as you are not in a right mind when you are sick. Ignoramus.
@kilkenny it is nobodys will to die. If it is then they have lost their mind and any grip on reality
@@bb5979What’s your evidence for that? If I were terminally ill with only a few months to live in which I will be in unbearable suffering and pain I would want the choice to end it peacefully with my family around me instead of writhing in agony, why does that make me somehow insane? If you claim you’d never make that choice for yourself then fine, don’t make it, but why take it away from others? Sounds like you’re just taking your personal opinion and intend to force it on others to me.
Unfortunately the elderly are the high risk group for suicide. Hope proper checks and balances are put in place to avoid abuse
Wrong choice 😢
Thank goodness MPs actually did this. I thought this country was incapable of being progressive!
This is what the majority of people want so I'm glad MPs did the right thing.
There is nothing progressive about giving the government the power over who lives and who dies.
It won't be long until this regs abused, regs will be relaxed, and before you know it, treatment or end will be a choice out of your control.
You know how hard it is for pet owners to make that decision. Treatment Cost vs put down
Now imagine how easy it would be for a government with ZERO emotional attachment to you, your family etc, to make such decisions.
Because that is the can you have just opened
@@bobdigi500:- Wrong! This is a step backwards and not progressive in a civilised society. Quality palliative care is the answer and resources ploughed into that, not killing. All patient’s can be made comfortable and pain free with love and attention to their needs. God above decides when you come into this world and he is the One who decides when you leave. No one else.
A wet dream for the elites
They’ll be able to make the choose too. Everyone is happy!
No you couldnt convince your doctor you had 6 months to live if you had depression or werr just old. Neither are terminal. Danny kruger lying
The Liverpool Care Pathway which stopped food and water to those considered to be 'dying' was a self-fulfilling prophecy. Of course if you deny a person food and water they are going to die! This bill is not about choice- it is about MONEY!
I hope this comes in
My position is most difficult. I have to uphold sanctity of life and that means I have to uphold the Church of England position on this! I can't advocate it on the basis as argued. I could say that I stand in ambiguous territory! I can see how much it applies to me in regard with the bill. I have to oppose it in line with Church of England policy, and I am aware that may well make it a potential issue of being hypocritical in the state of the Church of England currently! But I had to choose! I am concerned about that pressure on vulnerable communities and that I choose to do so. And oppose..
This IS the top of a sippery slope. Given the NHS experimental excesses in Trans health care (see Cass Report) - how can they be trusted with this? The Canada, Holland & Belgium examples show how this will get extended - this is as thorny an issue as when to ethically allow abortion.
Completely agree. This is a terrible mistake.
In the 60s we were told that abortion would only be used in rare and exceptional cases
@@knockedoutloaded A strong parallel there ... & look where that went.
There will be no choice
Yes there will.
For the people who are so desperate that they feel this is their best option. I hope I never share their experience. I also hope I am not a relative of someone who feels that way ,although i cannot explain why ?
I,ll support this ,because ive seen a close friend ,lose life ,bit by bit . But i do NOT believe she would have chose this option . The safe gaurds to this MUST be extreme .
This is state assisted suicide ,and whether you support it or not ,it is being heavily cloaked under the term" Compassion ."
As I said ,i,ll support this, but Im extremely uncomfortable with it. Anyone who is not in the position of the gravely ill ,who says they are comfortable with it ,should NOT be listened too.
Any comments ,if at all that suggest I am "on the fence " ,yes I am , but if you are not ,and support this fully ,go take a long look at yourself.
Nhs do this everyday
I bet they do
Quite a misleading title for anyone who isn’t following this bill.
It has not been brought into law and legalised as the title suggests. It has passed first reading, with several further steps required in both houses….
“How do you know if it’s not in Gods plan?” Because it’s contradictory to His word. The word of God should always be where we look for the truth.
You are contradicting the word of god right now. If you’re a women you should not be speaking in public and I bet you are wearing mixed fabrics right now .
Also are you aware your book says we live in a giant snow globe with holes to let all the water from space in as rain, that the sun revolves around the earth and that it’s completely fine and normal to own slaves?
So no the “word of god” is not a good place to look for truth.
I'm afraid to say the west is losing their past 😥.... The only way out of this to bring together more communities to fight this woke ideologies that are making new and more new laws.
intresting interview . Something that should be discuss more .
Im a nurse ive seen many patients who are palliative die horribly and in pain. I dont beljeve there is a palliative care model that can achually deal with that amount of suffering.
@kingofthemawds :- you have been nursing in the wrong places with the wrong people. With modern day medicines no one should need to die in pain.
@alexd7029 You're right but I'm afraid many people do. By Modern Medicines do you mean palliative medication like opoids, anti emetics? If that they case they don't always work the way they should. I've seen people waiting for cancer to constrict their juggler and bleed to death. What can modern medicine do about that?
@alexd7029 you don't have the right to know more than a nurse who has worked in the field
Evil
Disgusting
lol. let's see you say that when someone you care about goes through this. arsehole
Sick way to make money. 😢
Now it's going to the committee stage will they then:
Look at younger people with the capacity to make such decisions;
Then people without that capacity but in similar circumstances.
Will they determine which doctors will be involved? Will they determine what is actually meant by terminal and how timescale is determined?
Will they determine which cocktail of drugs is most effective at completing the deed in a humane way?
If someone goes beyond 6 months will they be ineligible?
There are many questions still to answer now that Pandora's box has been opened.
Look at Netherlands and Canada they start killing 12 year olds and the veterans who just asked for treatment.
Thanks for posting
They add a clause to add psychological aspect's to the bill,,comatose side effects of gmo vaccines and pre crime
This is the right choice and at the end of the day it's an individuals choice to make. You don't have to choose this option. I choose dignity over suffering and I'm so happy to know this option will be available to me if I need it. I don't want my children to watch me suffer and slowly fade away, that will stay with them forever.
What dignity you talking about like leaving your family because you can’t hold on for hope for better treatment. You should be asking for funding for research into health issues to fix them not kill off people.
Supported outside by people who would feel bad with committing suicide as if it would matter once done . But they don't want to feel bad before. Before you jump to conclusion, I talk about people who can stand up and live, not about those who need to die.
It's a rare day to be proud of our members of parliament en mass. I've never been prouder.
It's a fantastic result.
@@Jo-AnnSimmonitehow do you figure ?
finally the UK gave it’s citizens the same rights as we have in Colombia 🇨🇴
What about the parents if they young and terminal 😢
@@dannydexter8989they don’t care because thier pockets are going to be full of money after this
It will definitely be abused. There are not too many safegaurds. THEY'RE PLACING NEW LAWS TO REACH EVERY ORDINARY HUMANS LIVES MORE AND MORE. ITS ALARMING. ANOTHER 1984 IS COMING.@dannydexter8989
I really dont know how i feel about this bill one end there is people who are in so much pain that need this as i could end up on the other side i want life to be preserved but not if they are suffering there has to be safeguards to this
One of the few times a policy that will change the outcome for all equally, we all share this indisputable fact we will all one day pass on and this vote gave us some level of control today. Completely understand the lack of applause of the vote outcome, a subject like this reminds us what we all need to face one day it’s useful to reflect on how we can become with politics.
Wait .. should I be sober to watch this whole clip ..
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Oh great do you know what you have done
It was painful and dramatic being born into this world. Living also comes with much emotional and physical pain. Death, in the same vein will bring pain and suffering. Acceptance of what is...
Finally, some common sense coming out of the UK; I can hardly believe it.
Fingers crossed it goes all the way.
You both trust this government with something as sensitive as this ? You slept the last 5 years ?
There are legitimate arguments on both sides here. But like all issues now, politics and ideology and point-scoring has taken over. You're a Lefty atheist, well of course you're for it. You're a traditionalist or religious, of course it's awful to you, and dangerous. The neutral sober issues are ignored as partisan ideological warfare dominates.
Im an atheist and like to conserve things that are essential and important to human lives. Not to interfere with ordinary peoples'' lives too much...
3 YEARS to be implemented. those suffering now and wanting to die will have to carry on suffering
Great now starner can get rid off us elderly.. And the vulnerable..
Dont worry the bill doesnt apply to the mentally challenged such as yourself.
Exactly! The globalist controlled government is EVIL!
Are you so selfish that you think this is all about you? Do you not understand that there are people out there suffering with things you couldn't possibly, with your gnat sized brain, understand? Just because you were born years ago, doesn't make you wise. Imagine your child had lung cancer. Every day it felt like they were drowning because of fluid on the lungs. The doctors can't help you and medication won't numb the pain. Could you sit there day after day and watch them suffer, no matter how much they beg you for death? If you could then you are scum and we need less of people like you here
Can we make Starmer the first recipient?
Farage supporter I assume?
@@robbpatterson6796 blinded to 5 years inflation
Today, the UK votes to legalise the MURDER! 😭😭😭😭😭😭😔✝️😢😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Government directed and approved.
"But its not ethnic cleansing guys". Just dont compare where this is promoted and mass migration, and DEFINITELY DO NOT look up the demographics of its use. 🤣
@@kogaiononN With respect, dont be so utterly ridiculous, we dont have the right to deny a terminally ill person not to have that option to end their life if they choose to do so in exceptional circumstances.
Finally.
Like the did DNR, with "concent" NOT
I can make as many stupid decisions in my life as I want to.. go bungee jumping, set up a water slide from my roof etc but my last choice is taken from me? I’ve never understood that! animals have that right, yet we don’t? if I were dying I know I would want to go out with dignity & not slowly fade away.
Animals have that right because they can’t think . I will be happy to give you the right if you’re ready to go live like an animal in the wild.
Next vote it will be compulsory then there will be lining up just like being in the post office !
It is what Keir Starmer wanted!! Oh well, that's okay then!
A vicar who promotes assisted suicide and and says maybe God supports this. You couldn't make it up. How can you be a vicar and not believe in the book you are suppose to preach from. Doesn't the God of the Bible say "thou shalt not kill"? I guess this is what God thinks.
Because Sky-daddy is a myth?
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This is killing.
Diana 'not wanting to a burden to her son'! Isnt James Abbott-Thompson still in an institution?
This is horrible, The pressure on patients is enormous, now they will suffer even more guilt. Lets ask the dead how they feel, no wait. DISGUSTING
I'm atheist 😢 it is possible it will be abused..
The Bible promotes life, it's all through Genesis. Prolonged dying under extreme suffering does not sanctify life, it treats it with callous disregard. It counts life is cheap, when one person can inflict unendurable cruelty on another, in support of his own interpretations and ideologies.
It is a very dangerous ideology that promotes the idea that inflicting suffering on people is “God’s will.” The whole point of the Abrahamic faiths is that they end human sacrifice. Criminalising assisted suicide is inflicting two types of human sacrifice: the person who is dying in agony and the person who is criminalised for wanting to end their suffering.
The Bible mentions at least six people who committed suicide (Judges 9:54; 1 Samuel 31:4-6; 2 Samuel 17:23; 1 Kings 16:18; Matthew 27:5).
The Bible nowhere explicitly states, "it is a sin to commit suicide."
Murder is wrongful killing, not all suicide is wrongful killing.
Right of self defense. If others can be killed in self defense, surely killing one’s own body in self defense is even more permissible.
The being in Psalm 103 is incompatible with one who would inflict unbearable suffering on his creations.
“Canon Harper said she could not believe in a God who would require “the most extreme suffering” …
“Nor do I believe that holding on to life at all costs is the uncontested goal of humanity. The crucifixion itself demonstrates that there are higher goals than the preservation of one’s life. John 15.3: There is no greater love than to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.”
Why would a God who offered “freedom of will” insist that it be removed over such a profound decision?
Inflicting degrading and unbearable suffering, is entirely incompatible with a compassionate God.
“You could actually make quite a cogent argument to say that there is a suicidal element to the crucifixion. Jesus knew perfectly well what was to happen, and he did not count his life just simply going on more valuable than the higher task he had to do. There are deeper moral issues about your life than just making it go on and on for ever as long as it can go.”
"Death is not the end of everything, so I am not so concerned about an endless prolongation of my life-certainly not under conditions that are no longer compatible with human dignity."
"Many Christians feel God is not honoured by a person (made in the 'image' of God) abdicating her autonomy and freedom of will and passively submitting to 'fate'."
"There is nothing faithful about relinquishing responsibility.”
"Few would now accept the view that one range of actions belongs wholly to the sphere of human free will and another wholly to God. God does not lay exclusive claims to decisions about ending one's life."
Prof and Dr Jacques Poheir Life Stances and Choice in Dying: A Catholic Viewpoint in Favour of Voluntary Euthanasia and of Assisted Suicide
christiansforvad.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Life_Stances_and_Choice_In_Dying_Pohier.pdf
Christians Supporting Choice for Voluntary Assisted Dying
christiansforvad.org.au/bible-facts/
“ An instructive story is relayed about the great sage, Rabbi Yehudah HaNassi (2nd century CE) as he lay dying. As his disciples weren’t ready to let him pass on, they raised a wall of uninterrupted prayers between him and Death so that his soul could not be taken. But Rabbi Yehudah’s maid saw the physical agony her master was experiencing in his protracted dying process. She climbed upon the roof of the house and, from there, threw a jar that shattered loudly. Startled, the rabbis interrupted their continuous praying and, in that moment, Rabbi Yehudah’s soul departed. It is said that the maid was rewarded in the World to Come. This oft-quoted story shows that Jewish law not only demands compassion for the suffering of a dying patient but opposes the unnecessary pain of a prolonged dying process.
Rabbi Yosse ben Halafta (also 2nd century CE) was once visited by a very old woman who complained to him that life had become too bitter to live, that she could no longer find pleasure in it and that she wanted to die. Rabbi Yosse asked her to what she attributed her longevity. She replied that she had never missed a prayer service at her local synagogue. The rabbi proceeded to tell her to keep from attending services for the next three days. Following his advice, she became ill and died on the third day. Though it wasn’t suicide - since she died of illness - didn’t Rabbi Yosse “prescribe” a way to hasten her own death?”
When was the last time The Bible was updated?
The wish to not be a burden is a choice people should have. I certainly would like to have it. To argue that emotional coercion would be the only factor for people to make a decision to end their life puts them in a pathetic context of inferiority. Personal dignity for all.
How much of the “burden” is caused by not having proper state provision of palliative and end of life care support services other than your own family ?
A dark day indeed, it was only a few years ago the government mandated and forced treatment upon the public.
How long do you think it will be unill the bill ends up with much losses regulations.
this need to have strictly rule for safeguarding what people will when they choose to be dying or not, if not this bill will look similar like rick and morty universe