Ah, she's such a good old ship, the Avenger. Keep in mind that she's, lore-wise, 200 years out of date. She passed from mainline military service into police/civil service, and is still a standard security prowler in civilian settings. She's the Crown Vic of the Star Citizen universe, and I think her performance reflects both her age and her role.
Close enough, they are old af ships. I will have to look at the lore again but iirc the Hornet was the replacement for the Gladius in some squadrons but both are very old game lore. Same as the Avenger.
@@Valterius87 the F7 was the replacement for the Avenger Titan. The Gladius served alongside the Avenger. The F7A MkII replaced the F7A MkI (What you have in game). The Gladius was replaced by the Anvil Arrow.
I am so stoked that you are fighting with the Titan here. I know that this ship is not the best for combat but it has been my favorite and always come back to it. I overclocked my Titan Renegade as much as I could but understand it’s limitations. A-1 core training has helped me tremendously and have had some good experiences with bounty’s. Thanks for the help! BLISTERCREEP
Avenger's main feature is large interior space that can be used for cargo or special modules. Its not a pure fighter. The Titan is a perfect courier ship for small expensive cargo. Its fast, it flies in atmo well, it can stand for itself in combat well and is small enough to land in a tight spot. We don't have proper cargo loops for such a ship yet (we don't have much of cargo loops anyway). I have always found it feels right to do narco runs with it or even box delivery. In combat you can't do much with extra size and weight the cargo hold adds to it. So I believe its current performance is reasonable for a universal ship. I must note I love how Avenger looks and how its interior feels like. This ship will always have a spot in my heart.
@@Avenger__One You have mentioned the Hornet performance and that is really weird one. Light courier ship loosing battles to dedicated light fighters is ok. Dedicated medium fighter loosing battles to a light courier ship is not.
Avenger Titan was my first ship, and I'd be lying if I said I don't still love that little ship. There are plenty of faster, more agile, more powerful ships, but very few that I've had both wings, a gun, and most of the hull blown off and still come out on top. It's the underdog that can usually win the day if you just keep fighting and have a little faith. Plus, a great daily flier.
I was watching some of the fights during the livestream and even I could *feel* the sluggishness of the Avenger Titan whenever you were turning it to face more agile opponents, such as the M50.
Maybe Avenger Titan could do with a buff to overall HP due to it's larger hit box and current turn rate to give it some more staying power e.g. give it a third S1 shield, and buff the hull from 12k to 20k HP. Then check and consider if capacitor could do with a slight buff. Because it doesn't have the benefit that light fighters do of being able to avoid a fair amount of damage, it generally ends up tanking the damage whilst engaging fighters (light-medium-heavy) and other ship classes, but it's low HP relative to it's cross section means it doesn't "tank" for long enough to stay in the fight an be moderately competitive.
I would have to check the lore timeline, but I know older ships had more armor because shield technology wasn't as good. This is one of the reasons the Perseus has been good in the fight against the Vanduul. The Perseus was put into production prior to the 1st Tevarin War and humans didn't have shields on ships that "small", only large human ships had shields. The Tevarin had much more advanced shield technology than humans and after we defeated them we took the technology. I know the Avengers came into production during the Messer Era, however I'm not sure about how much armor the Avengers are supposed to have.
I rarely fly my Avenger Titan these days, but she's that old reliable Toyota you just cant get rid of as it does everything you ask, and are ok it's not the best at it. I think I also have a spot for it in my heart as when I upgraded to it from my mustang alpha. It got me playing SC again and allowed me to take my friends who just got the game to places in the verse they probably wouldn't have seen if they tried flying there as a beginner. It's also cheap to instant claim at around 350aUEC if you wreck it so your downtime doesnt cost a lot due to mistakes. That's my 2aUEC on it.
Could not agree more on everything. Main takeaway - glad you are using the attrtions in the latest vids. Sound and look so much better than the partners (my opinion only)! And yeah, it is about time they give the hornets skme love man!
Holy shit you make it like an s tier ship haha, I am enjoying watching your videos I seem to be surviving more than 10 seconds in PVP fights, but when using mouse and KB I think I am very compromised as I cannot control the roll like a joystick will provide. Love your tips they are extremely helpful look forward to more.
Congrats on getting monetized. I'm looking at starting streaming this fall after I upgrade to AM5 and a new graphics card. I do wonder how long did it took to get monetized and if you have any tips?
@@The_Opinion_of_Matt the time to get monetized will vary some people can do it in weeks some people take months others take years it really depends. In my case it took me years because i have taken brakes, deployments etc.
@@marcuswynn89 10-4, thanks for the reply. I can understand that. I guess it all comes down to effort expended and luck of the algorithm. (i.e. more effort increases the luck.) Congratulations again.
@@marcuswynn89 Sorry I didn't reply sooner. I plan on streaming, but I got to upgrade my PC first. I'm still on a FX-6300 and R9 290. The only reason I can play SC at all is 32GB DDR3 1600 and a fast (not compared to NVME) SATA SSD. I could probably stream the original Half-Life though. I posted to Spectrum back in March about my PC, the post is titled something like "I'm on the oldest hardware in the verse".
I honestly think that once they get around to reworking weapon stats that size 4 nose weapon will make a decent low tier sniper weapon against larger targets. Kinda like a poor man's Ares Ion.
Its my daily driver the avenger. I do like the ship a lot and if you do not only wanna do combat its the goto ship imo. But your analysis is unfortunally spoton. Would love to see the avenger a bit beefyer.
Big fan of the channel; Strange but serious request. Your next jump-town raid/big pvp event, can you guys attack with 4 or 5 crew cutlass blacks? Full missile spam, mini gun trucks in the back, and turrets ablaze full ride of the valkyrie style, would be great to see some drake love air assault style
Hey all, I was the Hornet Ghost in fight 3. While I'm sure there's too much for me to improve upon to go over here, can anyone help me focus on what I should be doing differently to improve my flying? Thank you to AvengerOne for blowing me up. And sorry for boring you to death in the Hammerhead later that day. I was manning the top gun ;p
The Avenger was one of the first designs that really caught my eye in 2013 when the greybox model debuted. In the end I didn't like how it was being implemented and had decided to invest in more specialized designs so I moved on. Good to see it can still perform. Having B-tier performance plus a small interior plus an actually quite decent cargo capacity is nothing to sneeze at in an inexpensive solo fighter.
Did not expect, after all that, to hear "better than the current Hornet" especially since A1 had a vid not long ago about how some things about the Hornet seems to be fixed.
My daily is the 400. She spins like an elephant but is fast as an interceptor and extremely tanky. It can also survive long enough to disengage anything it can't kill. Basically an uparmored Tesla Plaid with very long range.
Thanks for what you do btw, the game is so far from complete that it's irritating but we in my org watch your stuff and when we get together for training, we check the server to make sure you aren't there just to be on the safe side
I've flown my Avenger Warlock for months now and I tell you with good timing on your EMP you'll find your self chasing most attackers vs running from them. Perhaps EMP is frowned upon? But I like it.
EMPs are generally looked down upon in PvP because they don't require much skill. Because of this they're bound to be nerfed/changed in the future and thus not really part of the equation.
I use the Warlock often for NPC fights. EMP is a nice addition. You shoot down the shields. Then drop the EMP- Sometimes you can disable a enemy. But most of the times you "only" disable the enemy shield. Still a nice addition. Not sure who useful this is in PVP. Haven't tested it.
@@dsptchr These are not my own words but rather my interpretation of A1's words in videos where he discusses EMPs. He has described them as a "bridge gap" which is why I've concluded they would be looked down upon.
@@Blazagg If you have a system you can use to again an advantage - Use it. If you're not using every opportunity afforded to you, you're losing. the question is how slowly.
@@Avenger__One im sorry, i had watched that video alread. But it is about locked torpedo. What i was tried to orbit around big target with range under 1000m, without target lock and dumb fire. I have train again and again with npc idris, hammer head like in "TORPEDO-TOWN". alway end up either miss or dame my self up with my own torpedo blast. if want take out the Idris with locked torpedo, I just lauch all my torpedo at it above 1000m and set a course ram right into it when it's shield was down eject then watch the firework
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Ah, she's such a good old ship, the Avenger. Keep in mind that she's, lore-wise, 200 years out of date. She passed from mainline military service into police/civil service, and is still a standard security prowler in civilian settings. She's the Crown Vic of the Star Citizen universe, and I think her performance reflects both her age and her role.
The Gladius and Hornet are also just as old, in-lore, and in-game :P
@@Valterius87 the hornet is about a hundred years younger than the gladius
Close enough, they are old af ships. I will have to look at the lore again but iirc the Hornet was the replacement for the Gladius in some squadrons but both are very old game lore. Same as the Avenger.
@@Valterius87 the F7 was the replacement for the Avenger Titan. The Gladius served alongside the Avenger. The F7A MkII replaced the F7A MkI (What you have in game). The Gladius was replaced by the Anvil Arrow.
Thanks a LOT for doing this. We will have our Melloy Memorial Flight next monday, 8PM CEST, feel free to join!
Grogu is *so* good. "I can feel my person is going through some rough feels. I'm here. I help"
Whoa! The gladius hiding in the signature was awesome! :D
I am so stoked that you are fighting with the Titan here. I know that this ship is not the best for combat but it has been my favorite and always come back to it. I overclocked my Titan Renegade as much as I could but understand it’s limitations.
A-1 core training has helped me tremendously and have had some good experiences with bounty’s.
Thanks for the help!
BLISTERCREEP
Beautiful kitty. Rest in peace sir. Your service was and is appreciated. No more pain, fly free.
The Avenger Titan is the only “starter” ship that I always hang on to. It just has so much utility in the PU right now.
Avenger's main feature is large interior space that can be used for cargo or special modules. Its not a pure fighter. The Titan is a perfect courier ship for small expensive cargo. Its fast, it flies in atmo well, it can stand for itself in combat well and is small enough to land in a tight spot. We don't have proper cargo loops for such a ship yet (we don't have much of cargo loops anyway).
I have always found it feels right to do narco runs with it or even box delivery. In combat you can't do much with extra size and weight the cargo hold adds to it. So I believe its current performance is reasonable for a universal ship.
I must note I love how Avenger looks and how its interior feels like. This ship will always have a spot in my heart.
Agree on all points
@@Avenger__One You have mentioned the Hornet performance and that is really weird one. Light courier ship loosing battles to dedicated light fighters is ok. Dedicated medium fighter loosing battles to a light courier ship is not.
Avenger Titan was my first ship, and I'd be lying if I said I don't still love that little ship. There are plenty of faster, more agile, more powerful ships, but very few that I've had both wings, a gun, and most of the hull blown off and still come out on top. It's the underdog that can usually win the day if you just keep fighting and have a little faith. Plus, a great daily flier.
o7 Avengerrr One! Outstanding fighting and flying; a fitting tribute to your squadrons mate Avenger Malloy RIP o7
O7 Pilot Malloy, RIP
I was watching some of the fights during the livestream and even I could *feel* the sluggishness of the Avenger Titan whenever you were turning it to face more agile opponents, such as the M50.
Maybe Avenger Titan could do with a buff to overall HP due to it's larger hit box and current turn rate to give it some more staying power e.g. give it a third S1 shield, and buff the hull from 12k to 20k HP. Then check and consider if capacitor could do with a slight buff. Because it doesn't have the benefit that light fighters do of being able to avoid a fair amount of damage, it generally ends up tanking the damage whilst engaging fighters (light-medium-heavy) and other ship classes, but it's low HP relative to it's cross section means it doesn't "tank" for long enough to stay in the fight an be moderately competitive.
I would have to check the lore timeline, but I know older ships had more armor because shield technology wasn't as good. This is one of the reasons the Perseus has been good in the fight against the Vanduul. The Perseus was put into production prior to the 1st Tevarin War and humans didn't have shields on ships that "small", only large human ships had shields. The Tevarin had much more advanced shield technology than humans and after we defeated them we took the technology. I know the Avengers came into production during the Messer Era, however I'm not sure about how much armor the Avengers are supposed to have.
Nope, it would be too much. Its not a pure fighter and by the looks of it doesn't have armor at all.
The Avenger is my fav ship to fly in the game, especially the Warlock.
3:50 HOLY CRAP!!!
I rarely fly my Avenger Titan these days, but she's that old reliable Toyota you just cant get rid of as it does everything you ask, and are ok it's not the best at it. I think I also have a spot for it in my heart as when I upgraded to it from my mustang alpha. It got me playing SC again and allowed me to take my friends who just got the game to places in the verse they probably wouldn't have seen if they tried flying there as a beginner. It's also cheap to instant claim at around 350aUEC if you wreck it so your downtime doesnt cost a lot due to mistakes. That's my 2aUEC on it.
I did the same upgrade path! The magic of walking on that ship is still there today ^_^
I love the view out of the cockpit of the Avenger and it is by far the best sub 100$ multirole ship.
I am glad I chose the Avenger Titan as my started ship 🌌✈
Could not agree more on everything. Main takeaway - glad you are using the attrtions in the latest vids. Sound and look so much better than the partners (my opinion only)! And yeah, it is about time they give the hornets skme love man!
My theory is that when they get the flight model working as they want it 100% for SQ42 then they will balance the rest based off the gladius.
@@rhadiem sounds like a good plan!
love this ship, still run it often.
Avenger Titan is the A#1 best ship
Aesthetically the Avenger is by far my favorite. I use the Stalker version. Great ship! I would love some tutoring to be as deadly in it as you are!
o7
One of my favorite starter ships , can do all game loops almost.
Holy shit you make it like an s tier ship haha, I am enjoying watching your videos I seem to be surviving more than 10 seconds in PVP fights, but when using mouse and KB I think I am very compromised as I cannot control the roll like a joystick will provide. Love your tips they are extremely helpful look forward to more.
Space Penguin Gang
good fights brotha, now that i got my channel monetized i can invest in some dual sticks!
Congrats on getting monetized. I'm looking at starting streaming this fall after I upgrade to AM5 and a new graphics card. I do wonder how long did it took to get monetized and if you have any tips?
@@The_Opinion_of_Matt the time to get monetized will vary some people can do it in weeks some people take months others take years it really depends. In my case it took me years because i have taken brakes, deployments etc.
@@marcuswynn89 10-4, thanks for the reply. I can understand that. I guess it all comes down to effort expended and luck of the algorithm. (i.e. more effort increases the luck.) Congratulations again.
@@The_Opinion_of_Matt thanks bro you should stream i recommend it
@@marcuswynn89 Sorry I didn't reply sooner. I plan on streaming, but I got to upgrade my PC first. I'm still on a FX-6300 and R9 290. The only reason I can play SC at all is 32GB DDR3 1600 and a fast (not compared to NVME) SATA SSD. I could probably stream the original Half-Life though. I posted to Spectrum back in March about my PC, the post is titled something like "I'm on the oldest hardware in the verse".
I honestly think that once they get around to reworking weapon stats that size 4 nose weapon will make a decent low tier sniper weapon against larger targets. Kinda like a poor man's Ares Ion.
Its my daily driver the avenger. I do like the ship a lot and if you do not only wanna do combat its the goto ship imo. But your analysis is unfortunally spoton. Would love to see the avenger a bit beefyer.
Big fan of the channel; Strange but serious request. Your next jump-town raid/big pvp event, can you guys attack with 4 or 5 crew cutlass blacks? Full missile spam, mini gun trucks in the back, and turrets ablaze full ride of the valkyrie style, would be great to see some drake love air assault style
Hey all, I was the Hornet Ghost in fight 3. While I'm sure there's too much for me to improve upon to go over here, can anyone help me focus on what I should be doing differently to improve my flying? Thank you to AvengerOne for blowing me up. And sorry for boring you to death in the Hammerhead later that day. I was manning the top gun ;p
Don't ever be sorry for throwing yourself into the mix brother, check out my welcome video and my core skills Playlist
Avenger titan was my 1st pledge and starter package
The Avenger was one of the first designs that really caught my eye in 2013 when the greybox model debuted. In the end I didn't like how it was being implemented and had decided to invest in more specialized designs so I moved on. Good to see it can still perform. Having B-tier performance plus a small interior plus an actually quite decent cargo capacity is nothing to sneeze at in an inexpensive solo fighter.
Did not expect, after all that, to hear "better than the current Hornet" especially since A1 had a vid not long ago about how some things about the Hornet seems to be fixed.
It's the truth, just goes to show how poor the hornets state is
I was the arrow in the second fight, I have a lot to learn haha!
My daily is the 400. She spins like an elephant but is fast as an interceptor and extremely tanky. It can also survive long enough to disengage anything it can't kill. Basically an uparmored Tesla Plaid with very long range.
Thanks for what you do btw, the game is so far from complete that it's irritating but we in my org watch your stuff and when we get together for training, we check the server to make sure you aren't there just to be on the safe side
I've flown my Avenger Warlock for months now and I tell you with good timing on your EMP you'll find your self chasing most attackers vs running from them. Perhaps EMP is frowned upon? But I like it.
Would it be possible to have a mini caption that shows what your joysticks are doing? Maybe a sub camera?
Hood old avenger rounded to do everything. Rip hornet lol
May I ask, when you say bottom thrusters push, does that mean vertical strafe up using the down- facing thrusters?
Both
Can anyone explain how you lose points in Arena Commander? There have been times I am in combat and lose points when I fire at someone shooting at me?
Nice backdrop.
Why does everyone's mom have a dodge caravan?
Would the Warlock rank higher than the titan? Or is the EMP a non factor?
EMPs are generally looked down upon in PvP because they don't require much skill. Because of this they're bound to be nerfed/changed in the future and thus not really part of the equation.
I use the Warlock often for NPC fights. EMP is a nice addition. You shoot down the shields. Then drop the EMP- Sometimes you can disable a enemy. But most of the times you "only" disable the enemy shield.
Still a nice addition.
Not sure who useful this is in PVP. Haven't tested it.
@@Blazagg EMP looked down upon? Someone was traumatized by a Sentinel.
@@dsptchr These are not my own words but rather my interpretation of A1's words in videos where he discusses EMPs. He has described them as a "bridge gap" which is why I've concluded they would be looked down upon.
@@Blazagg If you have a system you can use to again an advantage - Use it.
If you're not using every opportunity afforded to you, you're losing. the question is how slowly.
o7 Pilot Melloy. Yea, they are a bit squishy.
please make torpedo dumbfire aim turtorial
Watch "the perfect shot" video
@@Avenger__One im sorry, i had watched that video alread. But it is about locked torpedo. What i was tried to orbit around big target with range under 1000m, without target lock and dumb fire.
I have train again and again with npc idris, hammer head like in "TORPEDO-TOWN". alway end up either miss or dame my self up with my own torpedo blast.
if want take out the Idris with locked torpedo, I just lauch all my torpedo at it above 1000m and set a course ram right into it when it's shield was down eject then watch the firework
Would you choose it over it's direct competitor the 325a?
yep
Only problem I have with it is the atmo bounties, but Im not a good pilot
Sir i see a red number 3 above your flare number. You can preset your flares to shoot 3 at once?
Yep it is a key binding in settings
Always fire burst for flares
Ah i see now thank you.
Could you explain a bit more why you would take an Avenger over a Hornet currently?
Acceleration
@@Avenger__One as in forward acceration or tricord acceleration?
@@hoodlumX25 both
Possibly a stupid question: is it possible to pvp decently with mouse and keyboard?
Yes
Just curious… any reason why you have attrition 3 and not a rhino on the front?
o7
Avenger over hornet… cig get your sh*t together lol
Can't fit a PTV in a Gladius... If shit hits the fan, you got that little 4 wheeled escape pod in the back.
More like a supercar to a mustang, or charger, or challenger.
This guy is funny saying how bad Avenger is as he smokes player after player.
😆 that may be so but alot has to do with the pilots
Kitty