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Keep in mind, you watched the two hour version. The studio demanded the original run-time of 4 hours to be cut for 2 hours. The 4 hour version came out on TV a few years later, and that's when it got a serious cult following. Some of the stuff that you all were shocked to see glossed over was actually expanded on in the extended edition.
Where can you watch the 4 h cut ? On blue ray its only 2 h17 😔
@@Nouga-sh6wy The Spicediver fan edit (available here on YT) merges the theatrical and TV versions with some unfinished cut scenes. The plot must flow.
The 4 hour version never really came out. What you want to see is the 'SpiceDiver' fan edit (available on youtube), which incorporates everything there was to put in (alot of things that were cut, etc). And it is amazing
There is a 3 hour fan cut on TH-cam, otherwise the extended version is only on DVD in the US but on blu in other regions.
@@Nouga-sh6wy I don't know about the 4-hour version, but there is an 3-hour version 4k on TH-cam of Dune just put Dune 1984 Alternative Edition in the search bar you will find it
“He who controls the Pug, controls the Universe!”
I will pet you." and later "I WILL PET HIM!"
Pewdiepie?
"What is the deal with the pug?" For he is the Kwisatz Haderpug!
I unapologetically love this film. For all the changes and omissions this version showed the way for the new ones. Both by what it did right and what it didn’t.
Me too. This version is the superior version. Even if the new movies are "objectively" better, from the standpoint of adaptations from the novels, this version of "Dune" was just way more entertaining, memorable, and enjoyable for me.
That closing theme is gorgeous music.
The sets and costumes alone make this a great show.
Took me watching the miniseries to get it, but yeah.
Me too.
-made me read the books
-epic score
-epic one liners. Spice must flow. Sleeper must awaken etc.
-mostly prefer this cast. Especially the younger ones.
Older movies Reverend Mother was much more personal and better imho.
While I love Skarsgard these disturbing Harkonnens were really Animals as ín the book and very memorable.
Sting was crazy :D
I think I prefer Rebecca Fergusson and Stilgar ín the New ones.
-young Aliyah was badass ín this. Just like ín the book. Baron wasn't killed by Paul.
-(arguably) more attractive women :P
- main critique of the 84 was the weirding Way and the New ones with the tech advantage should have corrected that. But IT wasn't even mentioned.
-allergic to hype :P
-didn't mind Lynch weirdness and visions. Loved Twin Peaks too
Props to Patrick Stewart. Not everyone can charge into battle yelling "Long live Duke Leto!" carrying a gun and pug and make it work.
Don't forget his epic yell "Atomics!!!" I was hoping to hear Thanos bellow that line, but nooooooooooooo.
@@colormedubious4747 Good one.
I love that the battle pug comes out of nowhere, is never really referenced in the movie, and and never pops up again.
You can see the dogs running around dead bodies after the harkonnen attack. Always in the background, then again in the last scene.@@patrickwaldeck6681
I used to believe the same but you'd be surprised how many people and pull this off.
Yeah, book had that wonderful line in the finale
- Where is Alia?
- Oh, she is just outside, finishing off dying Harkonnens.
It's why we know her at Saint Alia of the knive !
Something along the lines of “doing what all Fremen children do: finishing off the wounded, and marking their bodies for water collection”
"Just a child revelling in the death around her" She is, of course, St Alia of the Knife.
36:42 LOL
36:42 LOL
The young actor playing Alia is a real-world prodigy.
She was talking like an adult at two and reading "real" books at four.
Alicia Witt
Another interesting bit of trivia, Alicia's mother, Diane Witt, was listed in the Guinness Book of World Records for the longest hair.
@@jeffb407 Random trivia- Alicia was in the final rounds of casting for the role of Sidney in Scream.
Alicia also later played in David Lynch's Twin Peaks as Gertrude, as a child and in the Return recently; as Cybill Shepherd's daughter in Cybill where she got to show off her piano skills often; several movies, in one of my favorite episodes of Elementary... she's fantastic.
@@riaglitta Gersten, Donna's sister. On original TP, her piano playing was featured.
The art design for this film is incredible. The plot falls apart in the second half and it would definitely be better if it had been drawn over two films, but it is a piece of flawed genius.
That was Lynch's original intension.
So much of the art design is pulled from Jodorowsky's pre-production work on his version of Dune. The documentary about it is really enlightening.
Agreed. Even the new Dune movies fell apart (story wise) in the 2nd part, just in different ways.
Works fine in the 3 hour fan edit with the restored scenes.
Even a 3 hour version I feel would work but everything else is still top notch
Simone: Is he OK?
No. He's Brad Dourif. To quote Cecil for GoodBadFlicks, "Got a low budget movie that needs a brilliant actor to play a complete psychopath, call Brad Dourif. Got a big budget movie that needs a brilliant actor to play a complete psychopath, call Brad Dourif. Either way, you're going to get a top shelf performance."
I've now come to think of him more as the good doctor from Deadwood.
Yeah. Always been a fan.
Dourif is the GOAT when it comes to psychopaths. So much so that when you see him show up, there's almost an xbox challenge accepted banner that pops up in your minds eye, saying "Achievevement Unlocked: DOURIF - Some sh*t's about to go down."
And his daughter is carrying the flame ;)
I love Brad Dourif, that is a spot-on description.
This one is pure handcrafted artistry. One of the world's great cinematographers, Freddie Francis, shot it and an army of artists provided the sets, costumes and effects. It is a drunken trip, pugs and all.
I like the fact that the spacing Guild are mutated the way they are mutated, because in the books they're actually described as very mutated looking people.
Knowing that Lynch had to cut more than an hour of fully filmed and edited content to meet the studio's unrealistic 2 hour limit does really help soften criticism and the rushed/changed ending. At least we understand why.
So much was lost.
I had NO idea who the one female Fedyakin and the two little boy Fedyakin were until I got the double-sided DVD.
Feyd was supposed to be fully nude coming out of the steam shower and Sting had even agreed to film it, but the studio flinched at the last minute. The "winged" loin cloth was quickly made by the costumers for the scene.
The Guildsmen were wearing costumes made from old body bags. USED old body bags.
Lynch did not get final cut, the studio totally destroyed his movie
Not really. Enough of what Lynch included in this version shows very plainly he had no grasp of, or no interest in, the actual story and Dune was just being used as wallpaper to do his own thing. More run time would not have changed that this was misguided from inception.
The thinking with the Pugs was to give each house a specific type of dog, to mirror real world royalty - the Emperor has Corgies.
What type of dog did the Harkonnen get?
@@uzul42 RatCat
Paul L. Smith?
And the Baron had Sting.
Behind the scenes, however, the pub belonged to some crew member (I think it might have been Lynch himself). It kept running onto the set; Lynch got tired of the interruptions and so put it into the movie so that one of the characters could hold it still and keep it from running around.
"We'll see how it goes. It's gonna be weird..." Oh, sweet summer child, what do you know of weird?
And that's how I know that George, despite being a gamer, had never played any of the older Dune videogames, as they all inherited the pronunciation of Harkonnen from the Lynch film.
Dope as game, good memory jog sir
"Ix!" Sorry that's all I remember from the RTS units, ha ha.
Shit, any RTS fan should play Dune II just as a matter of paying homage to the grandfather of the genre.
I played it on the Sega genesis
Some brilliant cut scenes as Westwood games always had
“Walk without rhythm and you won’t attract the worm” was the hook for Fatboy Slim’s track “Weapon of Choice”, the music video to which has Christopher Walken dancing and floating, a couple of decades before he’d play the Emperor Shaddam, and time is a flat circle and we live in a simulation or something…
Actually the whole song is a reference to Lynch's Dune, "Listen to the sound of my voice, check out my weapon, my weapon of choice" , refers to the voice weapon only featured in this version of Dune
No way! And Christopher Walken is in that music video.
@@sinsgalore5146 And much like the movie, the music video is a bit of a fever dream, with Walken suddenly floating around at the end of it (it also didn't help that the first time I ever saw this, it was like 2am after I woke up and couldn't fall back asleep).
I read it as: "Walking without rhythm and you won't attract women."
@@raifthemad True to life. 🥲
"Is that F#%@ Sting! Is Sting playing Feyd Rautha??" That one killed me. 🤣
Back in the days when Sting was trying to be a legit actor. Believe it or not, he almost played Lestat in Interview With the Vampire in the early '90s.
Of the three versions, Sting is still the best Feyd.
Someone should do a compilation of youtuber reactors saying "Woah, is that Sting?"
@@jculver1674 Even without seeing any proof, he would have been a better version of Lestat than Tom Cruise was.
@@joelwillems4081 And he's still absolutely terrible. "I WILL kill HIM!" Ugh.
Fun fact the girl playing alia (Alicia witt. Who was 9 at the time) was actually a child prodigy who was talking by the age of 2.
Also in the book alia joins the battle after killing the baron and slaughters many of the emperor's soldiers revelling in the killing
Alicia Witt posted the throne-room scene on her Instagram recently, with her lip-synching her child-self. and it was glorious.
Forshadowing how she would go insane. Or rather was born insane. Lynch did not skimp on people's insanity.
Alia is such a terrifying little sociopath in the books, especially as a toddler. That's the most memorable bit about that character, to be honest.
She played Donna's sister Gersten on Twin Peaks ( both original and The Return ).
In the book Alia wants to participate in an orgy but they won’t allow her to, because she’s 4 years old 😮
"narrator, record keeper?"
Chronicler is the word you're looking for George.
Thank you.
You could even go with "journalist." Y'know, because she's keeping a journal. :P
In the novel, Jessica (I think) tells Paul before he fights Feyd that there is a word he can speak that will make Feyd's muscles go limp, but Paul insists on fighting on the up and up. Toward the end of the fight, Feyd has Paul pinned and is close to getting him with the poisoned dart, and Paul is tempted to use the word to save himself but instead shouts "I will NOT use it!" which startles Feyd and gives Paul the opening he needs to turn the tables and kill Feyd. For some reason, none of the screen versions of the fight have this, but I liked what it showed about Paul's character and thought it should have been included.
It is Paul's last Gom jabbar
For all its flaws, the '84 Dune is still one of the most gorgeous and imaginative visions of the future put on screen, up there with Blade Runner and Star Wars. Incredible production design
Not to mention the incredible cast
Star Wars isn't set in the future. A long time ago in a galaxy far away. ;)
Star Wars a depiction of the future… wow. That’s something.
@@empsmith Maybe it's just in THAT galaxy's future. Seeing as how us applying our OWN standards of timekeeping to a completely different galaxy, in which our species has no existence at all, is the height of arrogance, and thus should be dismissed entirely.
Of course "A Long Time Ago..." rather implies that, by OUR standards, this was a truly long time ago. Shoot, for all we know, the events of "Return of the Jedi" concluded while humanity in the Milky Way Galaxy was still a bunch of squealing apes, swinging in the trees, and not even close to achieving civilization, much less space travel...
Everything is in the future ... from a certain point of view.
Simone's total control when Sting stepped out of the shower was remarkable.
TBH my favorite scene in the original is Paul's sister holding the knife in the end scene. Just the right level of creepy.
22:49 And this is when my uncle makes his appearance in the movie... 23:04 And this is the moment when he dies... an amazing performance if I may say it 😂🤣😂🤣🤣 we always made fun of him, but he always said that his participation on the movie alowed himt to meet Sting so he was absolutely happy with it.
Legend!
David Lynch’s is the guy in the spice harvester communicating with Duke Leto. Duke Leto played by German actor Jurgen Prochnow. He was incredible in the epic 5 hour German film ‘Das Boot’ as the U-boat captain. I still rank it as one of the greatest war films ever made. There are tons of deleted scenes. You can see some of them on TH-cam. The duel with Jamis, his funeral and Paul adopting Jamis’ family. Jamis’ kids becoming Paul ‘s lieutenants. You see the two kids in the Fremen he trains. The killing of baby sand worms to get the water of life. The death of Thufir Hawatt. Alia after the death of the Baron was actually killing the wounded on the desert.
To answer George's question, Duke Leto's death still affected me because I had such admiration for Jürgen Prochnow as an actor. _Das Boot_ is one of the top films of all time for me.
I always remember Leto as The second coming of jeebus in that Demi Moore movie with Michael Bien. Can’t think of the name of it to save my life. He was also the future John Connor in T-2.
@@noneya3635 that would be The Seventh Sign. Actor Michael Edwards played the future and older John Connor in T2. I thought he looked like Jurgen Prochnow myself. Michael Edwards reprised the role as an even older John Connor in a fanfilm (?) Skynet.
It's almost like George intentionally sabotages the films they watch by choosing the worst version, and then spends all of his time on screen crapping on it.
George would choose the shorter version of Legend and then spend all of his time making fun of Tom Cruise for wearing a loincloth while Simone is dazzled by the unicorns and horrified by Darkness.
@@highlander31527 Honestly, I thought that George was actually quite decent in his treatment of this film. He seemed way more impressed by it than I ever suspected he would be. He actually seems to like this version of "Dune," over the newer movies, in a lot of ways. That surprised me, because literally almost every other viewer I have watched have basically urinated over this "Dune" movie, without hesitation. And that always bothers me, because I, like George, prefer this version of "Dune."
The great thing about this version of DUNE is that it allowed David Lynch to film BLUE VELVET, and I have been grateful ever since.
"The drug was timed." Best line in the movie. One of the best lines in movie history.
For years I felt like I was the only person who saw this movie, and actually liked it.
You are not alone in liking it. There was a vast group who adored it. Spicediver's fan cut is the most complete, though rumors have circulated for decades now that there was a nine and a half hour version of the film somewhere.
Clearly you don’t talk to other human beings on the reg. There’s an entire fan base out there for this movie.
I'm one
I love this movie. I impressed me so much when I watched it as a kid on my parents old tv. the psychedelic scenes are just….I love growing up in the 80s
I always liked it, too. Even though I had the vaguest idea of some of the references. It was so unusual, it was cool.
I've read the books multiple times since I was a kid and I've always pronounced it Har-kone-en like they do in this film
I think the other way is the British pronunciation.
Not long ago i listened to an audio interview with Frank (dont remember the year it took place) where he, himself pronounced it this way as well. Im not sure where the alternative pronunciation originated
And at a slower drawn-out pace, dripping with the loathing we felt for them.
@@russellward4624 Brit here. I've pronounced it as har-CONE-en since I read the book in the mid 80s (shortly before seeing this version for the first time). IIRC the Sci-Fi TV miniseries used the other pronunciation.
@@razorfett147 There is a copy of Herbert's pronunciation guide floating around the internet. It shows that he intended the pronunciation to be HARK-uhn-nuhn, although I think I've heard the same interview you have where he uses the other pronunciation.
Something about this movie feels even more spiritual, magical, and mystical than Denis' Dunes. Part of it is the music especially the mystical music that plays at certain moments like the part when Paul goes to sleep and "awakens"), part of it is the set designs, part of it is the acting and dialogue, and part of it is that "thing" you can feel but can't explain. Man, if only David Lynch was allowed to edit this movie the way he wanted and make it as long as he wanted, this would have been truly special. It still is amazing to me even with all it's compromises, even more so if watching Spicediver's Aternative Edition Redux version of the film.
13:58 Liet-Kynes was played by Max Von Sydow, he sadly passed away in 2020 but was a prolific actor appearing in the The Exorcist, Flash Gordon, Conan the Barbarian, Never Say Never Again, Minority Report, Shutter Island, Robin Hood, and Star Wars: The Force Awakens. In 2016, he portrayed the Three-eyed Raven in the HBO fantasy series Game of Thrones, he also did an amazing job on voicing Esbern in The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim.
Max von Sydow came to international prominence in the film The Seventh Seal (1957) in which he plays a medieval knight journeying home through plague-ravaged Europe. The most iconic part of the film is his chess match with Death.
I think Patrick Stewart mentioned hé was so ecxiting tó have scenes with hím. :)
How ironic that Simone did exactly what Irulan did in the prologue
"oh one more thing'
No matter what, somebody had to try to adapt Dune first, and Lynch went all out. That's laudable.
@@harrybirchall3308 I would call it a good movie. Undeniably flawed, but good. It's interesting to see the ways its production design influence Villeneuve's version.
To bad Jodorowsky couldnt get the funding in the mid 70s for his version, would have loved to see that one.
You should watch Jodorowsky's Dune to get a scale of what he was thinking, for one Jodorowsky's script would have resulted in a 14 hour long movie :)
@@harrybirchall3308 It is in essence a rough cut as the studio hacked it up.
#HowToDoomYourMovieToFailure
@@treetopjones737 It's not a rough cut. It is the cut that Lynch signed off on -- after submitting to the run-time restrictions of the studio. It's significant that Lynch kept his name on the theatrical version, but went to the trouble of taking his name off the extended TV version.
In essence. Not entirely his vision. It was fiddled with after he finished work on it. He regrets "selling out" as he has put it. But never again would he agree to not having final cut on his work.
I had forgotten that Brad Dourif was in this. One of the most underrated actors ever: Grimma Wormtongue in Lord of the Rings, Billy in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, and the voice of Chucky.
“God created Arrakis to train the faithful. -FROM “THE WISDOM OF MUAD’DIB”
BY THE PRINCESS IRULAN”
It is one of the quotes in the book, which introduce the chapters. Book II chapter 34.
The movie was all issues. But Lynch did understand the madness of the characters. Almost everyone is insane in Dune. That is the whole point.
The very moment I first saw Virginia Madsen in that opening scene in the theater, I had my first crush.
I must have been 10 or 11 at the time but I still remember that moment very clearly 😂
She was so gorgeous in this movie. Sean Young too.
And we see SO LITTLE OF HER outside of that opening monologue, it is just such a phenomenal WASTE of a beautiful actress! lol
Same, bro.
She is great in Candyman.
If you say her name ten times looking into a mirror, she will show up.
Or so I've been told.
simone as alia in the thumbnail is somehow even creepier than alia in the movie xD
I saw this in the theater when this came out. I was 12 and hadn't read the book(s), but my brother, who took me to see it, had. When you entered the theater, they gave you a sheet of a glossary of terms so that you could familiarize yourself with the Dune universe before the movie started. It really helped understand the movie. I wish I still had that as movie memorabilia
I saw it in the theater, and we didn't get a glossary. I was older, however, and had read the book. I remember thinking that if I hadn't read the book, I would have no idea what was going on.
I saw it when I was 14/15 and didn't get a glossary but had little problem following the movie. There are a couple of big infodumps at the beginning of the movie that explain all you need to know -- if you are paying attention. Honestly, Lynch's version gives the viewer much more information than Villeneuve does. Two movies in and Villeneuve still hasn't explained why the spice is being fought over.
@@ThreadBomb Huh, I just assumed everyone got the glossary at theaters. Villeneuve explains why the spice is so important in the first movie. It's while Paul is watching the vids.
Here is some useless trivia for you. The actor who plays the Emperor is Jose Ferrer who also played the Turkish Governor who assaulted Lawrence in Lawrence of Arabia. He was married to famous singer Rosemary Clooney, making him George Clooney's uncle. Their son Miguel Ferrer, Clooney's cousin, was also an actor and played the young upstart executive Bob Morton in Robocop and was also a regular on NCIS: Los Angeles until his tragic death in 2017. Miguel also voiced many comic book characters in cartoons and his friend was a comicbook writer who named Miguel O'hara from the comic book Spiderman 2099 after him.
Miguel also played a role in Twin Peaks, co-created by David Lynch and starring Kyle MacLachlan.
@@BulletTooth504 In both original show and The Return. #Albert
Also also, you REALLY need to see Jose Ferrer's portrayal of Cyrano de Bergerac in the film version of the Edmond Rostand play, really REALLY top notch.
There was a key part of Paul's training that wasn't shown in either films. In addition to Bene Gesserit training, he was trained as a mentat as well.
Which is important, because it is his mentat training that allowed him to assess the probable futures of his visions and determine which one would most likely happen.
Was surprised it wasn’t mentioned in either version. It wouldn’t have needed a huge amount of screen time. At least a small mention.
Good eye George on noticing David Lynch in a small cameo role.
This movie is the origin of my favorite line ever uttered (whispered?) in motion picture history: “My name is a killing word”
I love that you guys questioned why there was a cat while the movie was explaining why there was a cat. Too funny.
They were too shocked to take in the answer lol
The spitting scene is more important in the longer cut. We establish that water is precious and that Fremen spit as a sign of respect. The Baron spitting on Jessica is followed by the line "such a luxury"
Another little point to notice is the way the bene gesserit mother growls at Paul during the final scene. During the scene with the Box she talked disparagingly of human "animals", but in the end she is reduced to one herself.
I always thought how they pronounced Harkonen in this is always how I read it as well
I still quote Duke Leto every time I shout run at someone. “RUNNN!!! RUNNNNNNN!!!!” So glad you guys watched this.
"Damned sloppy, boys! Really damned sloppy!"
"Try looking into that place where you dare not look. You will find me there staring back at you." I wish they quoted those words in the new version, they are pretty bad ass.
This will aways be my Dune, saw it in the theater at 20. It tempted me into reading the books. As mentioned there was an extended cut made for TV that Lynch had no control over. He asked that his name be removed from ir, so the director was the great Alan Smithee. Alcia Witt was seven when she played Alia, she is still working as an actress and is a great singer.
Witt. She played Donna's sister Gersten on Twin Peaks ( both original and The Return ). Her piano playing was featured in original show.
I just love Sting's campy, over the top performance here, hes unintentionally hilarious.
It's not like he doesn't fit in with the rest of this wonderfully weird film.
“LONG LIVE THE FIGHTERS!!!!!”
Always my favorite line.
I liked how the Harkonnen race was portrayed. Fiery, red headed predatory carnivores that have a fondness for blood. The Baron was so over the top, twisted, sadistic, and bombastically evil. The scene with him feeding Rabban like a lap dog was so grossly hilarious.
Theres a story that Patrick Stewart was accidentally miscast as Gurney or David Lynch had expected someone else to show up.
With Sting teaching Patrick how to play the musical instrument. With Patrick thinking Sting was part of a police band.
Harkonnen is not a made-up name it is a Finnish name that Frank Herbert supposedly saw in a phone directory. The correct pronunciation is actually in the latest version and the David Lynch version is an English phonetic pronunciation of the Finnish original name Härkönen.
I feel the 84' pronunciation couldn't happen today because Finns and Finnish names are kind of famous, even if not widely so. Mika Hakkinen, Kimi Raikkonen, etc.
There are a couple of Harkonens in my company. Maybe I should worry.
As for Duke Leto, being played by Jürgen Procnow, was very impactful as was very respected actor coming off success of Das Boot
This version holds such a special place in my heart. I was blown away by it as a teenager in the 80s. I hadn’t seen that kind of sci-if before. The sweeping vision, feudal politics in space, the set design, the costume design, the creature design, the complex plot, (and young Kyle Maclachlan!). I loved it so much and could never understand why other people were confused by it or didn’t enjoy it. I used to quote it all the time. The sleeper shall awaken!
Now comparing the two movie adaptations, I am becoming genuinely more impressed with how much of the story and worldbuilding Lynch did manage to get in the run time.
I remember actors that most people don't know, like Brad Dourif. He played Grima Wormtongue in Lord of the Rings
Congratulations.
academy award winning Brad Dourif, voice of Chucky the Doll may not be a household name but people definitely recognize his voice
He's definitely known to genre movie fans.
Yes, the wierding modules are totally a unique addition to this version and I absolutely love them.
When Paul drinks the water he says he truly controls the worms. It is easy to miss.
I first saw this, then read the book. Never read the sequels. As I see it, in this version, the Fremin store up the water in the chambers, collected slowly, until they reached a moisture critical mass of some sort and lead to rain.
Yes, it would have killed the worms and destroyed all spice production irreparably.
7:17 " I'll miss the sea... " Mmmm I would've thought you'd had quite enough of the sea after Das Boot 😆
"I had a bad experience once..."
Jürgen Prochnow in Beerfest
"This is a very quiet movi..." ALARM!!!
lol, great timing
Out through the nose tube prevents loss of moisture through exhalation.
I saw this movie when it first came out and remember the scene where Paul Atreides places his hand in the pain box. The scene was powerful and lingered in my mind for days afterward. But it soon faded and was just another piece of movie trivia over the years.
I didn't think much of it until years later. I was in the 82d Airborne division and was on a training jump. It was a night mass tactical so included 5-6 large jets and maybe 400-500 troops all jumping into the darkness. Jumping can be dangerous for obvious reasons so to prepare we go through drills on the ground on what to do when things go wrong. I had plenty of jumps by then so you would think it was easy. But I found the more i practice what to do when things go wrong on the ground, I became more anxious when I was in the plane getting ready to jump.
I started to think it was my time for things to go wrong.
On this jump my hands were shaking as we stood up in a long line facing the door. The Jump Master had us stand up, hook up, and check static lines. You check the static line for the trooper in front of you since you can't see behind you and if it's good give him an 'ok'. Behind me was a Seargent from California. He was a sort of hyper guy but oddly chilled out at the same time. He leaned in over my shoulder and gave me an 'ok'. We were about to shuffle toward the door and just waiting for the order to go. I was sweating and the cargo hold of the jet was dark and humid. The weight of your weapon, parachute, reserve chute all pulled down on your harness and your harness pulled down on your body.
We finally started making our way to the door when the Sargeant leaned forward and said something over my shoulder. He raised his voice to be heard over the engines.
It was the Litany Against Fear.
"I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past, I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."
I'm not even sure if he finished the last few words before I was out of the door and feeling that 'umpf' as the static line pulled and then the easy swinging under the canopy. The sky was dotted with wispy clouds that hemmed in the stars. A few silhouettes of parachutes were seen above me as the next stick of jumpers hung above. It was a quiet, beautiful night. I felt at peace. I felt as natural as the wind.
The a for playing the emperor is George Clooney uncle.
The actress pkahi mg the princess is Virginia Madsen , sister of Michael Madsen from Resvevoir dogs and kill bill
I had a friend who was a Dune book fanatic and after this movie was over in the theater, he stood up and screamed....I want the director's head! And then stormed out.
If it makes him feel any better, David Lynch hates this movie too
@@brandonmelling771Frank Herbert liked it though.
@@brandonmelling771 Hates what was done to it to be correct.
The Spicediver edit is the best version of the Lynch movie.
I like the scene with the Emperor and the Guild Navigator. We get straight into the dirty dealings and how House Atreides will be betrayed.
Yes, Sting is playing Feyd Rauta ! Also, that was David Bowie getting "unplugged" by the baron.
*Edit : And yes it was indeed David Lynch making a cameo. But you missed Grima Wormtongue as the mentat with big eyebrows !
This movie has an amazing cast !
I loved your comment about missing scenes, that is also how I feel about the new films, really important scenes.
Years before "Dune," movies and even TV could create the effect of a transparent, glowing aura that conformed too and enclosed a character which arguably would have resembled that book's description of the personal shields better, but those boxy, translucent shields were a deliberate design choice that had to be added by hand frame by frame. I respect the creativity and work it took to create something that looked unique.
go check out corridor digital's revamp of the Shields from this movie, you'll love it :)
@@TheMsLourdes I didn't like that video, because they didn't appreciate how much work the original effect took. It wasn't just an animation drawn over the image; each side of each box was a separate film image, and so was each faceted edge. BTW, Lynch wanted the shields to look more like we see in Villeneuve's version, but the studio thought it would confuse viewers.
As inaccurate to the book as it gets, this is still my favorite movie version of Dune. It has a lot more character to it than Villeneuve’s version. The designs, the music, the otherworldly weirdness of it all makes it a much more memorable movie to me.
For me too
Did you guys notice that the actor playing Piter (Harkonnen mentat) was Brad Dourif? Grima Wormtongue from LOTR. Also Billy from One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest. Quite the career.
I care more about the characters in this movie than the more recent adaptation. The Atreides are more noble. Jessica is less sinister. Leto is in less scenes but feels less convinced of his doom which makes his death more tragic.
For the main characters, yes. Lynch's Harkonnens and mentats are much more interesting. And Maclachlan is preferable to Chalomet, who I think is not a good enough actor for the role. But new Stilgar is obviously better, Momoa was a better choice to play Duncan, and I think new Jessica is good too.
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Richard Jordan is a far better actor than Momoa, so don't agree with you there. As for Stilgar, you might be right, but Bardem has become quite unbearable lately, so...
2:45 the best way to put it I feel. Is she sets the stage for each chapter, unless you skip her passage, she’s narrating each opening
Remember Frank Herbert himself approved of this pronunciation of Harkkonen
I know that I'm in the large minority, but I enjoy this version more than the new ones.
you have good taste imo, I also prefer this older version
yeah definitely the minority
The soundtrack is fantastic and the overall feel is more engrossing to me with the 1984 version, despite Lynch’s distaste for it..
@@jasonturner2206 nostalgia. It’s a horrible movie, even lynch disowned it
As a recent watcher of both Dune 1984 and Dune Part 1, I enjoyed 1984 much more!
28:18 The Cat-Rat combo was to be 'milked' for the antidote to the poison they had given him.
Yes, the reason for the cat is very clear. The rat on the other hand... It's probably just there because the Harkonnens enjoy being cruel.
That’s the issue with any reactions. They often talk over a lot of information . Especially when a movie is so crammed like this one. Can’t really be avoided though.
Dune 1984 is still one of my favourite sci-fi films. The Baron is played so well by Kenneth McMillan. my mate thinks he's vile but he is supposed to be
There is a 3 hour fan edit of this with most of the cut scenes added, including the fight with Janis, his funeral and others. You guys should watch it on your own time... or here if you want. It's on TH-cam.
This movie was my first intro to Dune and for the longest time I loved it. I even had a desktop theme with all the quotes. It's not until later that I learned that the Weirding Guns aren't part of the books.
Fun Fact: Frank Herbert wrote the first screen play for this movie before it changed in editing and he visited the set.
Harkonnen is not made up name. It comes from Finnish last name Härkönen. Author saw it on a phone book and thought it sounded evil.
So is Atreides, of Greek origin (son of Atreus).
All names are made up
This was good for the time & the set design with the practical effects is worth it.
I was reaaaaallly hoping that we would get Christopher Walkin saying "Bring in that floating fat man." It just would have fit so well with his cadence.
David Lynch is a very unique film maker. He's got some real fever dreams of movies. Blue Velvet, Mulholland Dr., Lost Highway. And Twin Peaks was a great show.
"I'm sorry, what?!!!"
Paul IS a hero in this version. He doesn't have to do a crusade because no one resists. The Harkonnen are dead, the Emperor abdicates, and CHOAM/Spacing Guild back him because he controls the spice.
And it's just raining on Arakeen, not all of Arrakis 😅
The rain part was added against Lynch's wishes. His edit ended the same way the book does.
Of course all the worms in the basin are dead... Remember, where once there was war, Maud Dib brought peace and love... You cannot miss the target of Dune any more than with that statement.
In the book CHOAM largely accepts Paul's ascension. It's the Fremen that want the universe to see Paul as more than Emperor. Denis changed that. The Guild would have forced CHOAM to accept Paul as he could have destroyed all Spice production forever.
The first book is supposed to portray Paul as a hero. That was Frank’s idea.
@@di3486 How to say you have no idea what Frank Herbert was trying to say without saying you have no idea what Frank Herbert was trying to say. Sorry but Frank Herbert undeniably did not want to portray Paul as a hero and was displeased with how many people took that from the first book. It was the interpretation of Paul as a good guy hero which caused Frank Herbert to write Messiah where you see how sideways everything went.
Much of this film is detail taken from later books ( the sound weapons apparently, I don't know ), but Paul eventually 'greening' Arrakis does happen.
It was the thread almost forgotten in the most recent movies: Liet Kynes, Pardot Kynes and Chani are the intended way Arrakis was to go: 'greening' Arrakis by careful introduction of plants and animals until the water was captured in normal life, instead of the worms ( which are a created biological process intended to create the Spacing Guild's Spice in a cheap form, which also gives the Guild a monopoly on Space travel ).
Paul is the Hero that afflicted and destroyed this plan, to the point that the recent movies ignore it, except when Paul meets that man watering the palm trees. - and Chani's real name of course.
It's like how Paul fails to find a peaceful solution, instead becoming merely a local rebel attempting the death of the Emperor, failing, and causing a jihad that starves billions across thousands of worlds.
It caught them off guard for sure, but I'm pretty sure it's mentioned in the new one briefly. I recall it being alluded to as part of a prophecy leading to paradise at some point. I could be mis-remembering it though. I think Dune 2 is on HBO right now so I'll have to watch it again to confirm
Lynch hated the experience of directing this movie so much that the studio head offered him the chance to make whatever movie he wanted to make it up to him. He then made Blue Velvet, one of the most important movies of the decade.
You might recognize the tiny Fremen woman. She is played by Linda Hunt in one of her early roles. She played the department lead on the TV show NCIS LA and won an Oscar for playing the male lead in the film A Year Of Living Dangerously.
A film these two should see.
This + the 92 games = 🤯
The book was really popular so a lot people were well aware of what was happening. Even people that didn’t read the book back then kind of knew what was going on because of the hype of the movie. Not just for book but more of Sting being in the movie. It was kind of the Superman movie where people didn’t just watch it for being about Superman but because of Brando was in it.
The closing credits are a highlight of the film - try studying by 30 minute loops of the music - or remembering loved ones via the credit faces
George talks a lot about the sense of scale. One of the few things I remember about the movie is they couldn't use real sand for the miniatures because the grains are too big, so they bought borosilicate beads for polishing metal, which gave the beautiful dusty appearance to those shots (and had to be contained and cleaned up at enormous expense)
The miniature effects are so good. The scene of them existing the craft when they first land at Arrakeen was done in camera using forced perspective.
Corridor Digital did an episode covering the VFX of the 1984 Dune.
Alia is adorable. Despite its many flaws this movie is a masterpiece in so many ways.
The shields were not CGI, they were hand animated frame by frame.
I love this version more, mainly for including the Guild Navigator (Herbert loved the design a lot) and Alia.
The shields aren't just drawn. Every side and facet of the shields is a separate film element. It took months to complete that effect!
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"Is That Sting?"
Good catch. That is indeed Sting playing Feyd Rautha
Paul and Stilgar: Now that we've mounted the sandworm it's time to...ROCK!!
There is a 3 hour version of this film on TH-cam where someone edited in many of the deleted scenes....much better version.
The Spicediver cut
When I saw this movie in the theater in 1984 the ushers handed out a fact sheet to get you up to speed with all the houses and planets and "science" of this universe. People complained about having to read 2 pages just to watch a movie.
It was a "Dune Terminology" glossary, about 35 definitions and pronunciation guide. I threw it away quickly because I already knew the terms, but now I wish I'd kept it as a collectible. I was never good at predicting what would be worth keeping.
That’s really interesting trivia. Thx
Hey it was DUNE, if you didn't know what you were getting into at the theater, they *literally* took you to school :)
I know people found the movie confusing, but really all you need to know is explained in a couple of big infodumps near the beginning of the movie. Audiences just weren't used to paying that close attention to a movie.
For more David Lynch on screen, watch Steven Spielberg's The Fabelmans! It's a wonderful, underrated film and Lynch plays the legendary John Ford in a cameo.
One of the best things that came out of this adaptation and its art style are the Westwood Dune RTS games - Dune 2 (named like that because another unrelated Dune game was released first), Dune 2000 (a Dune 2 remake in the style of C&C) and Emperor: Battle for Dune (the first RTS game with 3D graphics that I ever played). For a while, in my country, the first C&C game was simply dubbed "Dune 3" by gamers when it came out, and it was indeed a way for Westwood to continue the work that they started with Dune 2, while avoiding the IP licensing issues, where the Spice was replaced with Tiberium ore. In the Dune RTS games, the aesthetics of the spacing guild from the movie were given to a newly invented House Ordos, which is based on pure greed.
oh, please please please do Mulholland Drive 🤣
Oh gawd no 😂 I can’t stand…that ONE scene (if you know you know.) 😱 🫣
Honestly, do any other Lynch movie. Mulholland Drive is my favorite, but this is probably the worst place to start in his filmography. I’d love to see them react to Lost Highway, Wild at Heart, Blue Velvet and especially Twin Peaks.
@@tfpp1Simone's reaction for that scene alone would be worth it.
I think Wild at Heart is the easier entry point, but we need to get to the essentials. being Mulholland Drive and Lost Highway.