Plenty of people have done air to air refueling videos before, I decided to do something suitably Kerbal and build and entire flying runway to land my aircraft on and refuel.
ZeroDecibal But then the second aircraft carrier still isn't meant to be flying. I think the correct name would be aircraft carrier aircraft aircraft carrier.
CallisTrOn Entertainment Its just an aircraft carrier carrier. Lol. What does it carry? Aircraft. Then its an aircraft carrier. oh it carries aircraft carriers? Then its an aircraft carrier carrier. The OP could be right, though. If you call the thing scott made an "aircraft aircraft carrier", as opposed to a "ship aircraft carrier", then hes right. But, I think youd call it an "Aircraft carrier aircraft" from "aircraft carrier ship", so, then Zero is right.
Jacques Kerbal would like to thank you for providing all the targets for his scuba class to go and find at the end of the runway. You have single handily financed his new ship by providing so much stuff for his divers to recover. The crazy stuff is always the most fun.
I made a flying hangar a few months ago. It was a lot like this thing but with walls and a roof. Like a long flying box with one end open and a docking port on the opposing wall. I made it auto-stabilized by angling the front set of wings up a bit while making it a bit nose heavy. That way I only neded the throttle to regulate pitch. Landing in it was like threading a needle while receiving electric shocks, while spinning upside down while bungee-jumping, but I pulled it off eventually.
If anyone is interested in FICON, the Soviets actually used a similar idea in combat early in WW2. They docked 4 small fighters, either I-15's or I-16's to a TB3 bomber. The idea was that the bomber would carry the fighters most of the way to the target, then drop the fighters. The fighters would then perform strafing runs and rocket attacks on the target. The fighters would then return to the parent aircraft and redock. This allowed the fighters to hit targets at much greater ranges than they'd usually be able to. It worked relatively well at first, but German fighter technology improved too rapidly, and the TB3 motherships were sitting ducks against Bf109's, and the program was quickly terminated.
I know this episode is really old, but I have a new plan for you to do, put this thing in 100,000+ orbit, then land a space ship on it and go to the moon and back from that. The catch is once you put the ship back you have to get landing pad back too.
Everyone thinks about a flying aircraft carrier but you just do it, brilliant. One minor fault though. This is the ultimate runway because it really runs. Not like those whimpy things on the ground.
Watching this makes me appreciate how easy we have it in Space Engineers with our 6DoF and gyroscopic attitude control (as opposed to flaps and rudders) - whenever you got close to the runway, I was thinking "time for a nudge to the left" or "braking thrusters on". Kept having to remind myself that planes don't have 6-way thrusters like that 😆 In any case, I am a sucker for the crazy flying runway and similar impractical concepts; good to see it in action.
Only played one Ace Combat game and instantly got reminded of the Gleipnir Also the Zveno project the Russians had in the 30s comes to mind somewhat for me, except they're dropping parasite aircraft and not necessarily receiving them in mid air
Nice! Did you know Scott that an actual flying aircraft carrier was built, it was basically a massive airship capable of carrying scout biplanes (I believe it had capacity for 2 at a time but I could be wrong) and basically what they do is get the airship flying flat out and then lower the aircraft on a cable below the airship cabin, the biplane co-pilot then had to climb out of his seat onto the wing to release the cable. To land they got the airship once again to fly flat out, then the biplane pilot had to carefully position under the airship cabin while the co-pilot climbed onto the wing again to attach the cable, once the cable was attached the aircraft was then winched back inside the airship. The system failed because the US government got hold of the prototype, decided it was excellent and then wouldn't allow the designer to take it out of it's flight trials to fix a crucial flaw he'd discovered in the airships structure, and sadly one day the inevitable happened and the airship was lost with all hands, at which point the US government declared the system to unsafe to consider using again.
you had it that second time. you realized that when you docked the mother ships throttle reset but what you didnt realize that when you undocked from the mother ship the jets throttle also reset. you might have been able to save both there :P
Hi scott, Aircraft Mechanic here. This oscilation of the aircraft is called Dutch Roll, and is caused by response time of the flight controls being too low to counter the aircrafts' oscillation. You should put some fast reacting control surfaces to settle this. As for the Idea of a flying runway... well it is damn old! USS Akron and Acon were Zepplin Aircraft carriers from 1930s :) More recently in video games, the Spiridus, from Ace Combat X. Later came the P-1112 Aigaion from Ace Combat 6... a classic !
My biggest testament to "even in the worst, never give up, you might survive" was me following blindly the guidance system, it telling me to blast myself straight into the moon to get the trajectory I wanted. After realizing I was going to crash into the moon with enough velocity to exit kirbin, I quickly turned around and did the best attempt at a suicide burn to land this craft not at all meant to land on any body, basically a cylindrical rocket with no supports. Well, I got lucky and slowed myself down enough to crash half of my craft into the moon with 2 satellites left standing, still sliding rapidly down a crater. One probably would've survived but I tried to slow it down someway and it just blew up, the other rolled down and eventually stopped with its transmitter and a couple gadgets and 2 solar panels able to keep it functioning indefinitely.
I gotta get kerbal space program. This is AWESOME. I have always been interested in physics and astronomy...... never even heard of this until recently.
Just imagine a kerbal multiplayer server with Motherships automatically flying and refueling thanks to kOs circling the world, allowing players to refuel in air
I always enjoy watching your videos Scott Manley. You do fun things with KSP that I do not seem to be able to pull off ever. I have watched all through KSP Interstellar. I hope to continue to watch far into the future as well.
This reminds me of the fun I had doing some formation flying between a PA28 and a C172 for some aerial photography - it was so difficult to hold station as the throttle was so se sensitive etc...
This kinda reminds me of those WW1 airship carriers(they had a hangar inside the balloon) and the B-36 peacemaker mothership, where pilots would dropped of a hook and after their missoin would have to fly and reattach with the hook.
After seeing you do this scott, i decided to try it myself, and honestly, with boat parts installed you did it the hardest way you could have, i used RCS, and the cable (like real Aircraft carriers) and i used the thing boat parts adds that makes your jet push you backwards to slow you down :P but it was awsome idea~! thanks scott!
Why not try a reverse hook, catching a cable on the deck. Backing onto a carrier, catch hook, increase carrier speed on hook to compensate for weight. Love this!
Spectacular video scott! Love that you said "That I would say is a victory" 5 seconds after that your refueled aircraft crashed, because the engines wasn't turned on again :D
You can 'totally' tell Scott practiced this run offscreen to make it as smooth as possible. Note my use of air quote, and how they don't rapidly take a dive into a large ocean. lol X)
Scott Manley WIth kOS you could make the aircraft carrier hold altitude, attitude and speed. With enough control authority you might be able to keep pushing the aircraft down once you are landed and roll to the docking port without the affecting the aircraft carrier's flight parameters.
8:32 You made an explosion so badass, so Kerbal, it split the universe in two! I guess that's why we have the Berenstain bears now. Scott, this is all your fault!
Advice for building a fighter jet: put the center of lift slightly behind the center of mass, and make sure you use a few real fighter jets as examples. You can still make the jets unique by switching the parts of the real world examples around, and adding a few custom features. One time I tried to make copies of the F-16, F 35, & F-22 and ended up making completely unique planes that have similar properties to their real life counterparts.
One of the problems I noticed is that the docking port was at the front of the runway which I understand is so there's more room, but if you dock at the back then with more weight on the back the nose will pitch up and keep from going for a swim. You could also put ore tanks at the back until the center of mass is over the docking port, but then you may want more lifting surfaces.
I realize you say "old me" when referring to the narration in the prerecorded video. this technically makes sense but isn't it younger you? I don't really care, just kind of made me think
I loved this video. Most of the other videos I've seen you produce are too perfect. This one was just right. It had failure and success. It also told the story of how you went form failure to success. Again, wonderful video and I hope you make more videos in this story format. That of beginning in a failure state and ending up in a success state. Only showing a success state isn't much of a story.
7:48
Scott...
S-scott the engines!
SCOTT THROTTLE UP
Oh god he has mk1 command pods in he can't hear us!
OH GOD
Now you just need a bigger flying runway to refuel that flying runway.
But what about a bigger flying runway for the bigger flying runway that refuels the flying runway?
Andrew Le That's the planet.
But we still need a flying planet to refuel the planet!
Zaryte Sarutoshi x might wanna call roninpawn for this one.
***** refuleception.
"You know, it was going so well until he crashed."
-Scott Manley
I uh think I'll just leave that there while I fix the mothership and stop it crashing into the ocean.
-Scott Manley
"I'm Scott Manley, fly safe"
-Scott Manley
"Oh!! No!! *Crash*"
- Scott Manley
That carrier goes swimming because its boat-instincts kick in whenever it sees water
Poor thing.
She was makin love to the plane. Maybe we get some baby planes and boats?
@@nicefloweytheoverseer7632 flying boats and swimming planes...
I'm disappointed that this wasn't called runaway runway
Me too
"It was going so well until it crashed."
classic
that is truly the kerbal way! :D
KSP is the best :D
"The operation was a success, but we lost the patient."
{Also known as...}
"We won the battle, but lost the war."
Aircraft aircraft carrier?
You should launch it from a surface ship. Then you'd have an aircraft aircraft carrier carrier.
Jonathan Hughes I would have called it an aircraft carrier aircraft. Which would make the ship an aircraft carrier aircraft carrier.
ZeroDecibal But then the second aircraft carrier still isn't meant to be flying. I think the correct name would be aircraft carrier aircraft aircraft carrier.
CallisTrOn Entertainment Its just an aircraft carrier carrier. Lol. What does it carry? Aircraft. Then its an aircraft carrier. oh it carries aircraft carriers? Then its an aircraft carrier carrier.
The OP could be right, though. If you call the thing scott made an "aircraft aircraft carrier", as opposed to a "ship aircraft carrier", then hes right. But, I think youd call it an "Aircraft carrier aircraft" from "aircraft carrier ship", so, then Zero is right.
That'd be either an aerial aircraft carrier carrier or an aircraft carrying aircraft carrier.
RedstonePyroMan actually, scratch the latter.
Jacques Kerbal would like to thank you for providing all the targets for his scuba class to go and find at the end of the runway. You have single handily financed his new ship by providing so much stuff for his divers to recover. The crazy stuff is always the most fun.
S.H.I.E.L.D called, they want their Helicarrier back.
That MIGHT be a problem, seeing as it rests in pieces.
Hahaha lol
It... Vanished. We let the stealth mode 'on', and we just can't find it... 😇
After watching literally every single season of Agents of Shield I fucking love this comment
Spectrum called, they want their Cloudbase back.
7:55 **screaming at the screen** YOUR ENGINES ARE SHUT OFF
schlaumensch Sorry I can't hear you over the wind!!!!
Scott Manley You mean the sound of your engines winding down? :p haha
Scott Manley Well, at least you found out after it was too late :D
schlaumensch Bahahahaha, so this.
And again at 11:30
I'm yelling "Throttle! Throttle!" at my computer
Power. Power! EJECT! EJECT! EJECT!
Its not stalling, the throttle is off!! (Well it both but....)
He says SLOW DOWN DOWN DOWN but he doesn't even change the throttle not even a pinch.
At first I was excited, but I left disappointed. Like visiting a Tokyo McDonalds.
I made a flying hangar a few months ago. It was a lot like this thing but with walls and a roof. Like a long flying box with one end open and a docking port on the opposing wall. I made it auto-stabilized by angling the front set of wings up a bit while making it a bit nose heavy. That way I only neded the throttle to regulate pitch. Landing in it was like threading a needle while receiving electric shocks, while spinning upside down while bungee-jumping, but I pulled it off eventually.
Sounds like a very easy landing indeed
Ok you actually made the aigaion from ac5
(ik this is 4 years old)
"Fly Safe" at the end of a demonstration of some of the most dangerous flying in existence, where he killed his aircrews several times. :D
"No! Going way too fast! Way too fast! Slow down!
*doesn't throttle down*
Fixed-wing aircraft landing 101: "Pitch for airspeed, power for altitude" :)
4:50 "Can we pull out of this dive."
I don't know why but that made me giggle. It was the most anticlimactic dive of all time haha
Now land a runway on a runway :D
3 years later this comment is still good
@@theholderscock Already 4
Try 5
Ike Sandercock I was so young and innocent... *sigh*
the flying runway looks like a giant trilobite... in case you need a name.
Or a *_Fly-lobite!?!_* (Sorry; I'll let myself out...)
Nah runaway runway is better
triloflight
"I'm not sure anyone has attempted this particular method"
I wonder why
Very entertaining! When you docked the first time and the thrust was all the way down, I said out loud "Your power is off!" :-)
Scott, you've done it again. Simply brilliant!!
If anyone is interested in FICON, the Soviets actually used a similar idea in combat early in WW2. They docked 4 small fighters, either I-15's or I-16's to a TB3 bomber. The idea was that the bomber would carry the fighters most of the way to the target, then drop the fighters. The fighters would then perform strafing runs and rocket attacks on the target. The fighters would then return to the parent aircraft and redock.
This allowed the fighters to hit targets at much greater ranges than they'd usually be able to. It worked relatively well at first, but German fighter technology improved too rapidly, and the TB3 motherships were sitting ducks against Bf109's, and the program was quickly terminated.
I was just about to write that xD Btw, that's called "Vakhmistrov's chain" (Zveno Vakhmistrova/Звено Вахмистрова)
Danny2462 on his Android phone faek
waterlubber naw
Danny2462 on his Android phone
Me: Whoa! Danny replied...wait, never mind. Danny uses Crapple!
Millitron That's actually quite interesting. Thanks!
Scott. You were too busy wondering whether you could, you didn't stop to contemplate whether you should. This is bananas.
Hey, if it's stupid and it works, it's not stupid!
I work and i am stupid
@@joaquinlaroca2886 lmao
I know this episode is really old, but I have a new plan for you to do, put this thing in 100,000+ orbit, then land a space ship on it and go to the moon and back from that. The catch is once you put the ship back you have to get landing pad back too.
You can use cheats to get the pad up, but if you do use cheats no parachutes on both.
I might.
This is some nice spirit of contradiction :)
Gamebreaker
Vlad II ?
Can you build a Marvel-style helicarrier (with jets)?
Владимир Кузнецов Possibly, but many people have already done better.
Scott Manley But we need the Scott Manley style
Should launch a rocket from a helicarrier and send a ship into orbit.
а тебе зачем?
@@stupidburp stratenblitz sent the entire carrier into orbit
And then some
It's diving! Abandon ship! I mean, runway!
Dr Scott Manley, PH.D. in KSP.
Flying runway....good lord! This was the funniest episode by far. More explosions! Thank you very much, just made my day
Science isn’t about “why?” It’s about “why not?”
“Why is so much of our science dangerous?” WHY NOT MARRY SAFE SCIENCE IF YOU LOVE IS SO MUCH?!
"Burning people! He said what we're all thinking!"
This is awesome, everyone should do air to air refueling like this.
Scott, you are NOT Danny, you DO NOT make crazy things, you make things that make sense and work.
I love those rapid unplanned or unintended dissassemblys
My Ace Combat sense suddenly tingling after seeing this video
Everyone thinks about a flying aircraft carrier but you just do it, brilliant.
One minor fault though. This is the ultimate runway because it really runs. Not like those whimpy things on the ground.
Sometimes I wish I could hit the like button many times! Thanks Scott!
Best Scott Manley video.... Ever!
The point you didn't realized that you pulled down the throttle was so funny!
Watching this makes me appreciate how easy we have it in Space Engineers with our 6DoF and gyroscopic attitude control (as opposed to flaps and rudders) - whenever you got close to the runway, I was thinking "time for a nudge to the left" or "braking thrusters on". Kept having to remind myself that planes don't have 6-way thrusters like that 😆 In any case, I am a sucker for the crazy flying runway and similar impractical concepts; good to see it in action.
This is pure Thunderbirds level last second saving of some huge and ridiculously impractical piece of machinery.
Mechjeb would be really useful for this. You could have a unit on the mother aircraft set to maintaining a heading, roll and pitch.
Scott is such a likable guy! Love him. :D
It reminds me a bit of The Shield Helicarrier. Nicke Video!
I just started watching your stuff recently, and came across this. Awesome, fun to watch for sure!
Only played one Ace Combat game and instantly got reminded of the Gleipnir
Also the Zveno project the Russians had in the 30s comes to mind somewhat for me, except they're dropping parasite aircraft and not necessarily receiving them in mid air
Nice! Did you know Scott that an actual flying aircraft carrier was built, it was basically a massive airship capable of carrying scout biplanes (I believe it had capacity for 2 at a time but I could be wrong) and basically what they do is get the airship flying flat out and then lower the aircraft on a cable below the airship cabin, the biplane co-pilot then had to climb out of his seat onto the wing to release the cable. To land they got the airship once again to fly flat out, then the biplane pilot had to carefully position under the airship cabin while the co-pilot climbed onto the wing again to attach the cable, once the cable was attached the aircraft was then winched back inside the airship. The system failed because the US government got hold of the prototype, decided it was excellent and then wouldn't allow the designer to take it out of it's flight trials to fix a crucial flaw he'd discovered in the airships structure, and sadly one day the inevitable happened and the airship was lost with all hands, at which point the US government declared the system to unsafe to consider using again.
***** Wrong, if you didn't care you wouldn't have replied :)
***** His comment isn't too long, you are too stupid.
learrus Well, it's good to know some sane people still exist on the internet, and I think he just proved your point in his reply.
Now THAT was EPIC! I laughed out loud! xD Many thanks Mr. Manley, you saved my evening!
lol I almost thought that you were going to say '' NOW THATS WHAT I CALL, A VICTORY ROYALE!'' lol.
That is the most hilarious thing ever. Forget about flying bricks, flying plywood boards are all the rage!
you had it that second time. you realized that when you docked the mother ships throttle reset but what you didnt realize that when you undocked from the mother ship the jets throttle also reset. you might have been able to save both there :P
He did it, the absolute fucking madman. Brilliantly done, my guy.
could you make a "standard guide to efficiency"? i have the feeling that my maneuvers are somewhat inefficient :(
Epic Flying Scott! Keep it up. I love the videos.
Hi scott, Aircraft Mechanic here.
This oscilation of the aircraft is called Dutch Roll, and is caused by response time of the flight controls being too low to counter the aircrafts' oscillation.
You should put some fast reacting control surfaces to settle this.
As for the Idea of a flying runway... well it is damn old! USS Akron and Acon were Zepplin Aircraft carriers from 1930s :)
More recently in video games, the Spiridus, from Ace Combat X. Later came the P-1112 Aigaion from Ace Combat 6... a classic !
My biggest testament to "even in the worst, never give up, you might survive" was me following blindly the guidance system, it telling me to blast myself straight into the moon to get the trajectory I wanted. After realizing I was going to crash into the moon with enough velocity to exit kirbin, I quickly turned around and did the best attempt at a suicide burn to land this craft not at all meant to land on any body, basically a cylindrical rocket with no supports. Well, I got lucky and slowed myself down enough to crash half of my craft into the moon with 2 satellites left standing, still sliding rapidly down a crater. One probably would've survived but I tried to slow it down someway and it just blew up, the other rolled down and eventually stopped with its transmitter and a couple gadgets and 2 solar panels able to keep it functioning indefinitely.
I somehow really want to see huge ass city like planes in real life :O bring back airships!!
I gotta get kerbal space program. This is AWESOME. I have always been interested in physics and astronomy...... never even heard of this until recently.
Just imagine a kerbal multiplayer server with Motherships automatically flying and refueling thanks to kOs circling the world, allowing players to refuel in air
Giving them the opportunity to refuel. No one would be able to do it
Manley this brings me back.
that air carrier looks pretty cool and legit!
Informative and hilarious: The best kind of edutainment.
That's not stupid - it's beautiful!
I always enjoy watching your videos Scott Manley. You do fun things with KSP that I do not seem to be able to pull off ever. I have watched all through KSP Interstellar. I hope to continue to watch far into the future as well.
Mr Manley youre awesome keep up the good work!!
'Oh fuck i'm out of fuel"
'Don't worry we'll bring a FlyINg rUnWAy'
This is a touch of genius.
The two kerbals in the cockpit of the runway are having a proper dance off at the end
4:38 Congratulations, you have become the first person to crash into the bottom of the runway
This reminds me of the fun I had doing some formation flying between a PA28 and a C172 for some aerial photography - it was so difficult to hold station as the throttle was so se sensitive etc...
This is some Ace Combat Strangereal level stuff. Awesome
Reminds me of the P.17 and P.17D , interesting concept.
This kinda reminds me of those WW1 airship carriers(they had a hangar inside the balloon) and the B-36 peacemaker mothership, where pilots would dropped of a hook and after their missoin would have to fly and reattach with the hook.
After seeing you do this scott, i decided to try it myself, and honestly, with boat parts installed you did it the hardest way you could have, i used RCS, and the cable (like real Aircraft carriers) and i used the thing boat parts adds that makes your jet push you backwards to slow you down :P but it was awsome idea~! thanks scott!
Truly, this was awesome! I love you for such things. =)
Greets from germany!
Why not try a reverse hook, catching a cable on the deck. Backing onto a carrier, catch hook, increase carrier speed on hook to compensate for weight.
Love this!
Had a big Laugh over this idea and Video.
Love it
So, you basically made a faster S.H.I.E.L.D. helicarrier. Nice!
Ah, the P-1112 Aigaion. Just needs an escort of 4 more superplanes!
Scott Manley i know you know this already but let me say it anyway...YOU ARE AWESOME!
Spectacular video scott! Love that you said "That I would say is a victory" 5 seconds after that your refueled aircraft crashed, because the engines wasn't turned on again :D
Was so proud to be Scottish listening to you, then heard how you say water 😂 Love the videos bro, just started subscribing
You can 'totally' tell Scott practiced this run offscreen to make it as smooth as possible.
Note my use of air quote, and how they don't rapidly take a dive into a large ocean. lol X)
Oh, man. That was so amazing.
The old MK I cockpit. :(
Scott Manley At 7:38 I literally shouted at my screen when I heard the jet engines cut off :)
Hilarious.
I love the flying runway idea.
Nicely done. Reminiscent of Interstellar.
My mouth literally hung open while watching this.
"You know, it was going so well until it crashed."
I feel like I've heard something similar before....
If I'm ever in an aviation disaster, I hope we can get you on satellite phone, commentating. Then it would be quite awesome! Cheers !
You literally made a helicarrier...
Well, it's not a VTOL craft, but still. That's pretty much the closes you can get to the Valiant right there.
***** Lots of people have made Helicarriers, I wanted to make a flying runway.
Scott Manley WIth kOS you could make the aircraft carrier hold altitude, attitude and speed. With enough control authority you might be able to keep pushing the aircraft down once you are landed and roll to the docking port without the affecting the aircraft carrier's flight parameters.
The craft reminds me of a magic carpet, like from Aladdin.
8:32 You made an explosion so badass, so Kerbal, it split the universe in two! I guess that's why we have the Berenstain bears now. Scott, this is all your fault!
I can only hope that this is effectively a preview of what official multiplayer KSP will be like.
Advice for building a fighter jet: put the center of lift slightly behind the center of mass, and make sure you use a few real fighter jets as examples. You can still make the jets unique by switching the parts of the real world examples around, and adding a few custom features. One time I tried to make copies of the F-16, F 35, & F-22 and ended up making completely unique planes that have similar properties to their real life counterparts.
this is just such a crazy idea, now all you need to do is built one that can hold a maximum of 5 aircraft and lead airstrikes XD
One of the problems I noticed is that the docking port was at the front of the runway which I understand is so there's more room, but if you dock at the back then with more weight on the back the nose will pitch up and keep from going for a swim. You could also put ore tanks at the back until the center of mass is over the docking port, but then you may want more lifting surfaces.
I realize you say "old me" when referring to the narration in the prerecorded video. this technically makes sense but isn't it younger you? I don't really care, just kind of made me think
Oh you're right- I never thought about that. I always figured he it was just him in the past, but your reasoning makes sense.
at least he didn't say "past me"
that's a good point. Never thought about that.
it makes as much sense as saying "re"entry. One of the weird bugs in the english language.
haha true never thought about that.
I loved this video. Most of the other videos I've seen you produce are too perfect. This one was just right. It had failure and success. It also told the story of how you went form failure to success. Again, wonderful video and I hope you make more videos in this story format. That of beginning in a failure state and ending up in a success state. Only showing a success state isn't much of a story.
"It was going so well until it crashed"
Kerbal's tagline
That makes one aspect easier... but it also makes a completely different aspect a lot harder....