If you enjoyed this video check out this sketchbook tour Rembert did where he shows you which drawings got him hired at Riot - th-cam.com/video/XbmVKmAA2XU/w-d-xo.html
Riot has some AMAZING artist on there team for working on music videos, shorts and TV shows like arcane it's insane how many people are so talented an dedicated to there work over there. Love IT
@@d42 He had the vague idea at the beginning. You can see it from the way he skectched. Every stroke afterward was meant to achieve something not randomly made. It was loose but came from superb control. You saw him do it effortlessly because he has experience and vast knowledge of the field he was doing. Confidence comes with superb control.
I recently started using ballpoint pens only with some drawings and it's pretty frustrating to know you can't go back. Although once you're finished and the result is decent that's a +100 boost to confidence. Helps with decision making too, especially with a time limit set 🌴🎭
I remember someone telling me (well over a decade ago) that drawing was dead and that my skills were wasted. So, like a chump, I stopped drawing for five years. Drawing will never die, just the use for it (professionally) might differ from time to time.
@@1234456devcdeve Because it doesn't matter where other people are at compared to you. If you truly love art you will realise the only person you should be comparing yourself to is the past you. As long as you're improving and having fun at the same time that is all that matters. With hard work you can turn your dream into a job.
@@reignu3940 and also, that the people u see probably went through the exact some process . They were the ones with worse art and compared themselves to others and soon enough they become a professional. Every artist u see, has gone through that, you going through that I'd apart of the artist process. The thing that got them successful was that they didn't give up
Its always nice to not only see an artist's process but to also hear what he/she are actually thinking about, what they are feeling on the subject matter and the piece. It helps the overall understanding of what goes into putting something like this together.
Finally someone that shares my thought process, having fun and without a workflow. For artist I found a lot of them approach it with an engineers mentality which is not wrong by any means but certainly it does not fit everyone's way of doing things. Edit: fantastic choice in music it really does fit in.
It's really important to dissociate believability and realism. Realism is a style. Your drawings only need to be believable, so you can compromise between aesthetic and anatomy more easily and find your own style.
as someone who is new to art, and especially digital art, i think its really cool to hear other finding that layer managment is really distracting and at times just plain cumbersome. I appreciate your 'process' or anti-workflow of planning the composition as you go. Very inspiring. Thank you
My first proko video I’ve watched…I love it! I love that you guys cover both traditional and digital. Also appreciate showing pictures of an artist’s work when you mention them. Very helpful
Just 2 mins in and I learnt the most fascinating thing about shapes which is Triangles and Circles convey different sense of emotions to the scene in different scenarios!!
Wow, I was practicing earlier and wondering how to do some linework like yours or how you practice your figures. This is a blessing of a video thank you.
These days i am only using black ball point pen for making sketches.it actually makes you better coz you have no option to erase.we become more focussed as well.loved this video.thank you
Shapes also have esoteric meanings. The circle represents the soul, the triangle the mind, the rectangle the physical world. You can see this used in temples/churches/cathedrals where a doorway with a half circle on top a rectangle representing the unity of spirit and physical reality, every point on the surface of a sphere is on the center of the surface like how every soul is at the center of an infinite universe, etc.
I love the part where he says he shaded the wrong thing because often I think about the idea of hiding my mistakes by incorporating them as I go. This guy is great
Wow, never saw this channel before and not an aspiring artist, but I enjoyed watching this process and listening to your thoughts from start to finish. Well done!
Love sketching with a regular ball point pen. I stopped drawing with pencils for probably over 20 years. I used gel and regular bic pens. I used them off and on when I am not doing digital and you can get results pretty similar if not better to graphite pencils. Also I hate erasing.
I used to draw with ballpoint, never liked pencils. For about a year now I switched to quill pen and drawing ink, even better than ballpoint pen but both are good.
For me it's clutch pencils. I have sketching pencils and they're better for laying down tone and such, but my clutch pencils consistently churn out clean lines and I love it.
@@luismangiaterra1031 I have used ballpoint pens to draw before, and I'm learning pen & ink, but I still find pencils to be both fun and worthy as an art medium.
Good insight, pointing out that you guys like all art and it's realistic in the sense that the image seems to have life. Doesn't matter if it's a cartoon or fine art. Also training, intentionally drawing to improve on weaknesses an hour a day. Good stuff.
Correction: Frazetta Art Museum is in East Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania run by Frank Jr & co which was the location of his late in life studio and gallery. There is also a second one in Boca Grande, Florida run by Holly Frazetta and her daughter Sara as the Frazetta Girls.
Artwork- being music, painting, or good books, can really bring people peace of mind and is healing, but the society tends to only value the logic, and anything/work that uses logic and thinking. ( subjects like math, biology, engineering etc, anything that brings economic value directly ) . The value of art in whichever form is underestimated. It is sad because artwork to me is like meditation and yoga. It helps one to quiet the busy mind, and truly brings joy through Being, not Doing.
Well I'm into weird weird art that society finds disturbing and that taught me art is not for society and so society doesn't like it. When it's for society they care, like with movies and little icons, and when it's not (which is what we think when saying "art"), then of course they don't care.
Rembert, I've been using ballpoint pens since you took the time to reply to my comment in your last video, so ths is great! You are an inspiring artist.
when i was in jail other than working out i also shaded with pens that i got in return for some greens and i learned how to shade very well with pens thanks to a big foo (what some people call older people in gangs) so now all i need is the skill to actually draw since i just shaded in some drawings he didn’t hadn’t shaded in for a long period of time
Thats awesome, shading can really level up and transform your drawings so you're already like halfway there. Once you get a solid handle on anatomy you'll be able to make some really impressive looking works 👌
My friend was in jail for a while and he drew friggin masterpieces of other inmates. The benefit was the gift of slow time, if such a thing can be said.
@@Captain_MonsterFart In jail you’re given the gift of time and inmates use it to build discipline mentally which is why they are so fit some even read books to gain knowledge on things that can help them once they’re out
Bless this guy's soul, I tried to have a structure or routine, but it burnt me out faster and felt super bad about it. I never realized that it just wasn't the method for me, like how it gave him a hard time too. Just going into it and trying different stuff is just... More fun? Doable? Haha
This makes me feel so much better about only painting in one layer on Procreate. Thought it was just me, but I don't understand why I need all those layers.
I focused on anatomy so much that I realized I haven’t been practicing figure drawing at all and now i can’t even draw a simple pose properly 😭i need to practice more😭
I had the same with not sparring in martial arts and focusing on technique exercises, and then I couldn't do the equivalent of posing a character I couldn't make the sparring flow. I couldn't set up anything. Very recently, I realized I'm most effective if I do a full process. Like, not code a thingy, but create an app that I end up using and I struggle with the bugs and want to fix them. So I'll try to steer learning anything towards that now. I'm saying because I also used to practice drawing more than I applied drawing and that's shit because drawing isn't IKEA skill pieces clicking together.
@@theodorealenas3171 i think its all about balance, adding new informations should be practiced right away and start connecting and applying what’ve been learned so it won’t pile up and gets complicated
I prefer basic office pens with long lasting ink. Pilot G2 type pens. you get thick lines that force you to move on and i've gone through one and a half sketchbooks with one.
I love drawing with ballpens... even the cheapest ones work quite well as long as the don't leak/or clod ink at the tip. It's very unforgiving though so I don't sketch I just start drawing with a blank mind seeing where it goes.
@@billyodamit8709 Depends on the pen... I have my favourites but depending on paper quality you sometimes do have clean/wipe the tip. My drawings are often surrounded by squiggly lines where I was cleaning the tip. I always had good results with very cheap pen... as long as the ink comes out sparingly (so that it dries quickly) I am fine.
I love drawing will ball point pens. But one thing I really hate is when they leave a blob of ink randomly. Can anyone suggest me how to avoid it or if there are pens that don't have this problem?
I really like Pentel R.S.V.P. pens for ballpoint sketching. I rarely have any trouble with the ink, although it's good to buy a few at once because sometimes you'll get a dud where the ink doesn't flow quite right.
I am checking out a glass pen. This is something I will try to look at when dealing with different types of pens, but so far paper quality and type have been a factor, too, for me. Have you looked into any smooth papers, like hot pressed?
I pretty much draw all day but I dont know if its really that "concentrated". I do try to improve on stuff that Im uncomfortable with (portrait drawing, anatomy, gesture) and I hope i get there eventually
I think as long as you are drawing with a specific goal in mind and are only focussing on that specific subject matter you are trying to improve in, like perspective, and only doing perspective drawings for 30 minutes and watching tutorials and following them closely etc, then I think it's focussed. And I guess "concentrated" means that your main focus is drawing and improving in something very specific. Here is a video by Sinix on focus: th-cam.com/video/aaP7ZIDnlJQ/w-d-xo.html
If you enjoyed this video check out this sketchbook tour Rembert did where he shows you which drawings got him hired at Riot - th-cam.com/video/XbmVKmAA2XU/w-d-xo.html
i would love to see tb choi figure drawing for us her stuff is phenomenal to watch unfold
www.youtube.com/@eminart888
"the more you can simplify a drawing, the more likely it'll be successful as a complex piece of art"
I like that
"Less is more"
@@gepetodelamorte8149 yes exactly! :D
It’s the simplification that’s the most complex.
When i try to do more i often times end up being disappointed when im unsuccessful at recreating the essence of the first idea/sketch
hieronymus bosch has entered the chat
I got that pen on a Lufthansa flight to fill out some paperwork. It was a horrible pen lol, was really cool to see Rembert do something cool with it
I misread "Rembrandt", but actually that could make sense
The reincarnation of Rembrandt lol.
@@reese8050 what that
It looks like the benefit for him of that pen is that it's not a good one, you tend not to get those vague soft ghost like lines with good pens.
@@ZenitsuKunn Thts an painter
Riot has some AMAZING artist on there team for working on music videos, shorts and TV shows like arcane it's insane how many people are so talented an dedicated to there work over there. Love IT
Arcane and several of Riot's animations are done by a French studio called Fortiche.
their* work/team over there. 😷
Riots art teams always knock it out of the park, animations, paintings, music, everything
oh yeah. sadly every new skin/champ must have almost naked boobs or chest
Yes!! Never played LoL but the respect I have fo them artistically is so so high I truly adore their studio
Love this guy's humility and passion. and, of course, his ability
You can learn from this video that confidence and clear goal in every stroke are 2 of the most important things you have to always keep in mind.
Didnt sound like he had a clear goal at all
@@d42 He had the vague idea at the beginning. You can see it from the way he skectched. Every stroke afterward was meant to achieve something not randomly made. It was loose but came from superb control. You saw him do it effortlessly because he has experience and vast knowledge of the field he was doing. Confidence comes with superb control.
Kind of like Peter Han where he puts a lot of emphasis behind the idea of drawing with a clear intention.
Where is your profile pic from?
@@gonfdez9796 I drew it long ago.
I recently started using ballpoint pens only with some drawings and it's pretty frustrating to know you can't go back. Although once you're finished and the result is decent that's a +100 boost to confidence.
Helps with decision making too, especially with a time limit set 🌴🎭
Thats true i was using ballpoint pen almost for 6 month and im just so used to draw in a single stroke lines
What pen did he use in the video?
you can't undo or erase so you have to be very careful.
@@Jacoz_Official The pen is a random, cheap, low-quality ballpoint pen. Then he uses prisma color markers for the coloring as far as I can tell 🌴🎭
@@РусланКаналиев-ъ7щ It's a great feeling to have that confidence now, ain't it? 🌴🎭
I love him and his art so much! He’s got great charisma
He got beautiful wife too
@@Scrappytwentyfourseven hahahaha
I've been searching for more videos about him after seeing his sketchbook! He's amazing!
You got any?
wanna know that too :o can u link them?
@@rasheljordan465 sorry guys but what I meant to say was I've been searching, which is why I was glad to see this video.
I remember someone telling me (well over a decade ago) that drawing was dead and that my skills were wasted. So, like a chump, I stopped drawing for five years. Drawing will never die, just the use for it (professionally) might differ from time to time.
I stopped drawing 2017 cos I kept seeing better art than mine and i realized later on how foolish that was
@@feudofficial Why was it foolish
@@1234456devcdeve Because it doesn't matter where other people are at compared to you. If you truly love art you will realise the only person you should be comparing yourself to is the past you. As long as you're improving and having fun at the same time that is all that matters. With hard work you can turn your dream into a job.
@@reignu3940 Yup yup. at the end of the day, it is truly just that.
@@reignu3940 and also, that the people u see probably went through the exact some process . They were the ones with worse art and compared themselves to others and soon enough they become a professional. Every artist u see, has gone through that, you going through that I'd apart of the artist process. The thing that got them successful was that they didn't give up
i love the idea of realism being not how detailed it is but how much empathy you can envoke ♡
great video!!
"if you draw the hands and the faces right, they'll forgive you for the rest"
this is an epiphany moment and i will go back to drawing
Finally now he will show how he practised his figures by which he got in to riot🤩
Its always nice to not only see an artist's process but to also hear what he/she are actually thinking about, what they are feeling on the subject matter and the piece. It helps the overall understanding of what goes into putting something like this together.
Finally someone that shares my thought process, having fun and without a workflow.
For artist I found a lot of them approach it with an engineers mentality which is not wrong by any means but certainly it does not fit everyone's way of doing things.
Edit: fantastic choice in music it really does fit in.
It's really important to dissociate believability and realism. Realism is a style. Your drawings only need to be believable, so you can compromise between aesthetic and anatomy more easily and find your own style.
not even two minutes in and I already learned something that will make drawing 10 times easier for me. wow.
Thanks for stopping by, Rembert! Keep up with his latest work on Instagram - instagram.com/rembertmontald/
The instagram link in the video's description leads to a non existent profile.
I just want to say I'm so glad I'm not the only one who dots everything out when starting.
as someone who is new to art, and especially digital art, i think its really cool to hear other finding that layer managment is really distracting and at times just plain cumbersome. I appreciate your 'process' or anti-workflow of planning the composition as you go. Very inspiring. Thank you
I've exclusively sketched in ballpoint for years. It makes you such**** a better artist in the long run!
My first proko video I’ve watched…I love it! I love that you guys cover both traditional and digital. Also appreciate showing pictures of an artist’s work when you mention them. Very helpful
Just 2 mins in and I learnt the most fascinating thing about shapes which is Triangles and Circles convey different sense of emotions to the scene in different scenarios!!
This is actually a perfect timing, cuz I literally started drawing gestures and figure drawings earlier for a study routine.
I have been watching Proko for almost 6 years and it makes me so happy and cheery to see where his channel has come! Godspeed ❤️
This is kind of what i'm aspiring to be,, he just went with the flow and made a beautiful drawing
Wow, I was practicing earlier and wondering how to do some linework like yours or how you practice your figures. This is a blessing of a video thank you.
These days i am only using black ball point pen for making sketches.it actually makes you better coz you have no option to erase.we become more focussed as well.loved this video.thank you
I only use one of those stolen pens that everyone gets from the bank and I am always happy with my outcome.
Nothing a white gel pen can't fix 😉
love this dudes vibe and his drawings feel very organic, cheers :)
I like Rembert Montald :) his storyboards are great and I like how he talks about art in his artstation courses! It’s where I discovered him.
Just two dudes chilling, talking about art and drawing together, gotta love it.
Shapes also have esoteric meanings. The circle represents the soul, the triangle the mind, the rectangle the physical world. You can see this used in temples/churches/cathedrals where a doorway with a half circle on top a rectangle representing the unity of spirit and physical reality, every point on the surface of a sphere is on the center of the surface like how every soul is at the center of an infinite universe, etc.
Every sketch he does I can see the energy/movement in 6 seconds. It's interesting
Loved the convo you guys had
Especially the part where he said watching yourself draw is like hearing yourself speak
I love the part where he says he shaded the wrong thing because often I think about the idea of hiding my mistakes by incorporating them as I go. This guy is great
I love this guy's attitude
Wow, never saw this channel before and not an aspiring artist, but I enjoyed watching this process and listening to your thoughts from start to finish. Well done!
Love sketching with a regular ball point pen. I stopped drawing with pencils for probably over 20 years. I used gel and regular bic pens. I used them off and on when I am not doing digital and you can get results pretty similar if not better to graphite pencils. Also I hate erasing.
I used to draw with ballpoint, never liked pencils.
For about a year now I switched to quill pen and drawing ink, even better than ballpoint pen but both are good.
For me it's clutch pencils. I have sketching pencils and they're better for laying down tone and such, but my clutch pencils consistently churn out clean lines and I love it.
@@matthewbreytenbach4483 you should be using ink and less pencils. We need to evolve, move on to better things.
@@luismangiaterra1031
I have used ballpoint pens to draw before, and I'm learning pen & ink, but I still find pencils to be both fun and worthy as an art medium.
I love using Bic pens at life drawing classes. It draws well on newsprint.
I think the last time I was taught like this was kindergarten. Thank you for this video, has brought my mind back.
Good insight, pointing out that you guys like all art and it's realistic in the sense that the image seems to have life. Doesn't matter if it's a cartoon or fine art. Also training, intentionally drawing to improve on weaknesses an hour a day. Good stuff.
Enjoyed watching your process and the accompanying conversation!!! Great Stuff!
I do the dots thing too, it has helped me a lot.
Correction: Frazetta Art Museum is in East Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania run by Frank Jr & co which was the location of his late in life studio and gallery. There is also a second one in Boca Grande, Florida run by Holly Frazetta and her daughter Sara as the Frazetta Girls.
Artwork- being music, painting, or good books, can really bring people peace of mind and is healing, but the society tends to only value the logic, and anything/work that uses logic and thinking. ( subjects like math, biology, engineering etc, anything that brings economic value directly ) . The value of art in whichever form is underestimated. It is sad because artwork to me is like meditation and yoga. It helps one to quiet the busy mind, and truly brings joy through Being, not Doing.
Well I'm into weird weird art that society finds disturbing and that taught me art is not for society and so society doesn't like it. When it's for society they care, like with movies and little icons, and when it's not (which is what we think when saying "art"), then of course they don't care.
patience and devotions in the composition is the key to success
Rembert, I've been using ballpoint pens since you took the time to reply to my comment in your last video, so ths is great! You are an inspiring artist.
Nice you showed up ,guys. Great episode as always.
"The more you can simplify a drawing, the more likely it'll be successful as a complex piece of art."
Damn.
fav tool of all times
"At least you screwed up in the right way."
That's excellent advice for anyone currently struggling in their own growth.
I have such a huge respect for design and visual drawers at Riot
when i was in jail other than working out i also shaded with pens that i got in return for some greens and i learned how to shade very well with pens thanks to a big foo (what some people call older people in gangs) so now all i need is the skill to actually draw since i just shaded in some drawings he didn’t hadn’t shaded in for a long period of time
Thats awesome, shading can really level up and transform your drawings so you're already like halfway there. Once you get a solid handle on anatomy you'll be able to make some really impressive looking works 👌
My friend was in jail for a while and he drew friggin masterpieces of other inmates. The benefit was the gift of slow time, if such a thing can be said.
@@mimthyss definitely I can turn a circle into something better with just shading
@@Captain_MonsterFart In jail you’re given the gift of time and inmates use it to build discipline mentally which is why they are so fit some even read books to gain knowledge on things that can help them once they’re out
Bless this guy's soul, I tried to have a structure or routine, but it burnt me out faster and felt super bad about it. I never realized that it just wasn't the method for me, like how it gave him a hard time too. Just going into it and trying different stuff is just... More fun? Doable? Haha
Gray video, just a heads up…not sure if someone already mentioned it but Frank didn’t do the High on Fire cover. That was Arik Roper.
Hello Rembert,
Nice to see you.
My favorite kind of pen.. it gives me easy shading and control even in crosshatching.
u bring super useful content for us as always, I am literally crying❤️
I need ten years worth of arcane episodes and arcs and just everything arcane like yesterday please
If only! You'll have to wait for just a little longer but two seasons is all we're getting lol
so there is another season tho right? @ProkoTV
@@Illustra-H Yep! Comes out November 9th.
This makes me feel so much better about only painting in one layer on Procreate. Thought it was just me, but I don't understand why I need all those layers.
I focused on anatomy so much that I realized I haven’t been practicing figure drawing at all and now i can’t even draw a simple pose properly 😭i need to practice more😭
I had the same with not sparring in martial arts and focusing on technique exercises, and then I couldn't do the equivalent of posing a character I couldn't make the sparring flow. I couldn't set up anything.
Very recently, I realized I'm most effective if I do a full process. Like, not code a thingy, but create an app that I end up using and I struggle with the bugs and want to fix them. So I'll try to steer learning anything towards that now.
I'm saying because I also used to practice drawing more than I applied drawing and that's shit because drawing isn't IKEA skill pieces clicking together.
@@theodorealenas3171 i think its all about balance, adding new informations should be practiced right away and start connecting and applying what’ve been learned so it won’t pile up and gets complicated
Very inspiring, Hope i can draw like Rembert someday.
Very nice, so helpful thanks for sharing techniques
Perfect I was just rewatching Arcane
Did he draw without reference? If he did, he's really good! I liked the video very much!
YESSSS!!! Just what I need
really interesting... i can definitely relate to drawing everything on 1 layer.... something i do a lot
I still think i need to watch Rembert more. It is so fun!!
I am here for Kristian
This is very education and mediating learning a lot.
''draw an hour a day, that's enough''
*cue my executive disfunction laughing like a maniac in the background*
More like J. Jonah Jameson wheezing
I prefer basic office pens with long lasting ink. Pilot G2 type pens. you get thick lines that force you to move on and i've gone through one and a half sketchbooks with one.
What an incredible artist!
6:26 - I cant stop laughing when they actually put cricket sound effect when he the artist said he draws in silence 😂😭
Sketch books are everything for an artist
What a legend.
Amazing🎉
Free flow ... love it!
One of my dreams is to be interviewed by Proko.. Some day :)
amazing video 👌🏻👍🏻👍🏻🙌❤️💜🌹
His mind is on GOD mode 🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶
Awesome video, would love to see some of the concepts and processes that go into creating the maps for riot
I love drawing with ballpens... even the cheapest ones work quite well as long as the don't leak/or clod ink at the tip. It's very unforgiving though so I don't sketch I just start drawing with a blank mind seeing where it goes.
Do your tips clog with paper fibers? Causing a splash of ink?
@@billyodamit8709 Depends on the pen... I have my favourites but depending on paper quality you sometimes do have clean/wipe the tip. My drawings are often surrounded by squiggly lines where I was cleaning the tip. I always had good results with very cheap pen... as long as the ink comes out sparingly (so that it dries quickly) I am fine.
Hes AWESOME
I enjoyed sketching along with you.
I LOVE drawing with baldpoint pens. Like cheap, BiC brand baldpoint pens. Those are my favorite.
Dude, you are really good at drawing
This is so cool. Awesome sketches
Thanks for the subtitles
when you have talent you can create art with anything
I love drawing will ball point pens. But one thing I really hate is when they leave a blob of ink randomly. Can anyone suggest me how to avoid it or if there are pens that don't have this problem?
I sometimes wipe the tip of the ball point pen with a tissue if it has picked up any paper/ink residue
After every few minutes just smudge it of on something like scap paper~ that's what i do:)
I really like Pentel R.S.V.P. pens for ballpoint sketching. I rarely have any trouble with the ink, although it's good to buy a few at once because sometimes you'll get a dud where the ink doesn't flow quite right.
Not sure it's related but I use really smooth cheap paper (not too thin otherwise I tend to tear it appart) and wipe the nib when it gets smudgy.
I am checking out a glass pen. This is something I will try to look at when dealing with different types of pens, but so far paper quality and type have been a factor, too, for me. Have you looked into any smooth papers, like hot pressed?
Hello Proko. In this video, do you use a ballpoint pen or pencil case?
The drawings made in this video are done with ballpoint
Amazing artwork and very useful tips guys! I hope to become as good as you someday in my lifetime :D
19:17 Did you mean in PA? I don’t think there’s a Frazetta museum here in NY, unless there’s one that closed down
Yep, the PA one.
Love it 😊
6:49 lol love this exercise !!
SO MANY advices and artist and i still cannpt get a work as an artist..
I pretty much draw all day but I dont know if its really that "concentrated". I do try to improve on stuff that Im uncomfortable with (portrait drawing, anatomy, gesture) and I hope i get there eventually
I think as long as you are drawing with a specific goal in mind and are only focussing on that specific subject matter you are trying to improve in, like perspective, and only doing perspective drawings for 30 minutes and watching tutorials and following them closely etc, then I think it's focussed. And I guess "concentrated" means that your main focus is drawing and improving in something very specific. Here is a video by Sinix on focus: th-cam.com/video/aaP7ZIDnlJQ/w-d-xo.html
@@salty_3k506 thanks for help!
J. Cole with the proper response. Like you said. A 1,2 combo indeed.
I love this.
I switch between pen and pencil while practicing and I've gotten used to using pen since it feels alot better to use and know you can't go back