As I watch and study what Bill is doing, I can clearly see the influential correlation on Danny Carey’s playing. It’s no secret DC is a huge BB fan, but comparing the pad patterns BB is playing here to the DC’s Pneuma patterns is really eye opening. Even BB’s Paiste Colorsound palate appears influential in DC’s current setup. No doubt that Torn’s rig and style has certainly paved the way for many of the looper pedal artists of today. I never knew this VH1 show ever existed. Thank you kindly for the upload, it’s extremely inspirational!
Bill plays with accents more than typical metal drummers who aren't into Loud/Quiet playing- Danny picked it up from Bill (and others, he cites the prog and fusion guys every time he's asked), learned Jazz at school and then found a band where he can use that stuff. It'll be fun to see what he does with the Crimson stuff.
Sort of ironic that he worked with Fripp, who is very intellectual. The only other musician I can think of that way is Pat Martino. Zappa is also, but he's so sarcastic, cynical and inclined to make jokes that it is often obscured.
I 100% agree, he's the only drummer i truly enjoy listening to, the discipline, precision and flamboyancy this guy has on drums is absolutely unreachable and priceless, and as a prog junkie myself, even tho i'm supposed to be familiar with the best drummers ever, he will always be the only one for me, King crimson and Yes (and genesis also) were so lucky to have him as a drummer, too bad he never seemed to sticks to a single project tho :(
@@trippy_dragon8726 why would you want one thing, when he did all kinds of things- more stuff to check out. His fusion band and Earthworks are at least as good as the classic prog once you get into it
Lest one forget that Bill Bruford does indeed have chops. I really wish David Torn was playing with Adrian Belew's "Beat" band - he's the perfect combination of Robert Fripp and Allan Holdsworth. I just read that David Torn had brain cancer in the 90s, and got surgery. He's continued playing including on Bowie's "Next Day" but that may have prevented him doing major tours.
This to me is the essence of everything that was Sunday night Vh1 programming. I watched Brufords program many times and truly this type show was one highlight in what turned out to be a difficult next few years as I overcame grief and fell into full blown anxiety and burgeoning addiction. At 18 I was coming apart but growing in taste with this heavenly show. I lived for this...I went from the Cars and Bryan Adams to this! I was in love with art...still am...got sober many years later.
Love everything Bill does. Master of odd time, intelligent drum application and according to maestro Robert Fripp, the Crimson King, “Boy he can work”.
Torn's guitar here is perhaps in a similar vein to "Frippertronics", but I find the sheer *warmth* of his music so much more appealing to my ears and soul. That's entirely subjective opinion, and isn't meant to speak about merit or quality.
I find the original Frippertronics, with the Revox tape decks to be *very* warm and organic. After he moved away from the tape decks, it was still pretty good. Somewhere around the late 90s, Fripp started using synth sounds that were really cold sounding, and quit using delays as loopers, as such. I still like it, but I will always prefer the Revox/Big Muff/tube amp sound much more. Fortunately he released "Let The Power Fall" recently. I'm really pleased to have bought that CD.
I first heard David Torn on an incredible Jan Garbarek album called " Its Okay to Listen to the Grey Voice." Then I saw the following U.. tour once in Boston and three times in New York . Live, Torn was an absolute wizard! He drove Garbarek's group to New heights! It is, still, one of the greatest shows I've ever seen. Later on, I saw David again with Bill Bruford on the Cloud About Mercury. Then I saw him solo warm-up for Trilok Gurtu's band.
Wow, I watched this show regularly back then, but somehow missed this episode. It makes sense this was when I was finding new stuff like David Torn (because of Bruford and a friend’s recommendation) and Earthworks. I was 22 years old and this music still gave me hope the future could be bright. Thanks for sharing!!
You've got to love Bill, he always acts like he's Freddie Mercury or Madonna or someone who is extremely famous . Obviously he's a legend to "Us" but he's probably pretty well unknown to non musos and can probably walk unmolested around town .Bless him.
Someone who left a comment says Bruford comes across as condescending. He also surmises that he must have gone to a private British school. Bruford is not condescending. He comes across as intelligent and articulate, which some not so swift Americans (and I happen to be an American) mistake for being snobbish. And you know something, I don’t care if he did attend a private school. He’s an excellent drummer and all around musician. Speaking of which, the knucklehead who chimes in and agrees with the aforementioned comment doesn’t come close to spelling the word “musician” correctly. And he says something about musicians living in “wealthy neighborhoods.” No wonder Bruford eventually decided to retire.
Wow, I just lay here in bed and played this real quiet with my smartphone up to my eardrum, and it's the best mix of YiND I've ever heard. Sounds really full/polished with all kinds of embellishments (and all for the better) I've never heard before. What's going on here?
*crimes of the century:* 1. Bill had to pay the band £10k to leave Yes. 2. Far inferior drummer Alan White was given 50% of Bill's royalties for 'close to the edge', even though he never composed anything.
Strange man. I'm certain he would have been educated at a private school. Something about his slightly condescending and pretentious manner (Americans don't tend to possess). Reminds me of Peter Greenaway and how he expresses himself. However both very good at what they do. I remember that time at art college. The tutors all wore black and took themselves very seriously. That doesn't seem to be the case nowadays.
He does come across that way, but I don't think it's how he actually means it. I've run into plenty of muricans who sound that way. Any time I've been in the wealthy neighborhoods of the city I live in, I get that sort of attitude.
"Cloud About Mercury" is a fantastic record which I still listen to regularly.
Yes. Just listened to it last week!
i had the CD but I need to find it again
I had this Bruford TV recording tucked away on VHS tape. Surprised I haven' t seen it elsewhere. What a great drummer!
Awesome. Bill has his own youtube-channel, where stuff is actively being uploaded. I wonder if he himself has this tape..? Maybe try to contact...
As I watch and study what Bill is doing, I can clearly see the influential correlation on Danny Carey’s playing. It’s no secret DC is a huge BB fan, but comparing the pad patterns BB is playing here to the DC’s Pneuma patterns is really eye opening. Even BB’s Paiste Colorsound palate appears influential in DC’s current setup.
No doubt that Torn’s rig and style has certainly paved the way for many of the looper pedal artists of today. I never knew this VH1 show ever existed. Thank you kindly for the upload, it’s extremely inspirational!
Bill plays with accents more than typical metal drummers who aren't into Loud/Quiet playing- Danny picked it up from Bill (and others, he cites the prog and fusion guys every time he's asked), learned Jazz at school and then found a band where he can use that stuff. It'll be fun to see what he does with the Crimson stuff.
Bill is the nicest, funniest, most intellectual musician I’ve ever met.He should have had his own tv show 🤪
Sort of ironic that he worked with Fripp, who is very intellectual. The only other musician I can think of that way is Pat Martino. Zappa is also, but he's so sarcastic, cynical and inclined to make jokes that it is often obscured.
Thank you for this! Bill Bruford is the best drummer in the world. David Torn’s sound is so unique. Quite awesome.
Bill is thee drummer !
It's been 50 yrs for me.
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I 100% agree, he's the only drummer i truly enjoy listening to, the discipline, precision and flamboyancy this guy has on drums is absolutely unreachable and priceless, and as a prog junkie myself, even tho i'm supposed to be familiar with the best drummers ever, he will always be the only one for me, King crimson and Yes (and genesis also) were so lucky to have him as a drummer, too bad he never seemed to sticks to a single project tho :(
@@trippy_dragon8726 why would you want one thing, when he did all kinds of things- more stuff to check out. His fusion band and Earthworks are at least as good as the classic prog once you get into it
Excellent album, great segment. VH1 wouldn't showcase music like this today.
Lest one forget that Bill Bruford does indeed have chops. I really wish David Torn was playing with Adrian Belew's "Beat" band - he's the perfect combination of Robert Fripp and Allan Holdsworth. I just read that David Torn had brain cancer in the 90s, and got surgery. He's continued playing including on Bowie's "Next Day" but that may have prevented him doing major tours.
Gratitude for posting this! So many fine musicians and quite bittersweet to ponder Torn’s trials that were to lay ahead of him.
This to me is the essence of everything that was Sunday night Vh1 programming. I watched Brufords program many times and truly this type show was one highlight in what turned out to be a difficult next few years as I overcame grief and fell into full blown anxiety and burgeoning addiction. At 18 I was coming apart but growing in taste with this heavenly show. I lived for this...I went from the Cars and Bryan Adams to this! I was in love with art...still am...got sober many years later.
Love everything Bill does. Master of odd time, intelligent drum application and according to maestro Robert Fripp, the Crimson King, “Boy he can work”.
Torn's guitar here is perhaps in a similar vein to "Frippertronics", but I find the sheer *warmth* of his music so much more appealing to my ears and soul. That's entirely subjective opinion, and isn't meant to speak about merit or quality.
I find the original Frippertronics, with the Revox tape decks to be *very* warm and organic. After he moved away from the tape decks, it was still pretty good. Somewhere around the late 90s, Fripp started using synth sounds that were really cold sounding, and quit using delays as loopers, as such. I still like it, but I will always prefer the Revox/Big Muff/tube amp sound much more. Fortunately he released "Let The Power Fall" recently. I'm really pleased to have bought that CD.
I first heard David Torn on an incredible Jan Garbarek album called " Its Okay to Listen to the Grey Voice." Then I saw the following U.. tour once in Boston and three times in New York . Live, Torn was an absolute wizard! He drove Garbarek's group to New heights! It is, still, one of the greatest shows I've ever seen. Later on, I saw David again with Bill Bruford on the Cloud About Mercury. Then I saw him solo warm-up for Trilok Gurtu's band.
Wow, I watched this show regularly back then, but somehow missed this episode. It makes sense this was when I was finding new stuff like David Torn (because of Bruford and a friend’s recommendation) and Earthworks. I was 22 years old and this music still gave me hope the future could be bright. Thanks for sharing!!
Bill is fun . Should've had a show
You've got to love Bill, he always acts like he's Freddie Mercury or Madonna or someone who is extremely famous . Obviously he's a legend to "Us" but he's probably pretty well unknown to non musos and can probably walk unmolested around town .Bless him.
still love your work over many many years!!
Certainly an album I obsessed over for quite some time. Then I started seeing Torn live all over Brooklyn in small venues and WOW!
Thanks for uploading such rare content! Very grateful.
Couldn't do a show like this today
Sure can, what a nonsense
@@mathinho1237 - Not on television.
Saw them in Chicago. Bruford rules!
What a great performance! 👍
Excellent upload thanks
Someone who left a comment says Bruford comes across as condescending. He also surmises that he must have gone to a private British school.
Bruford is not condescending. He comes across as intelligent and articulate, which some not so swift Americans (and I happen to be an American) mistake for being snobbish.
And you know something, I don’t care if he did attend a private school. He’s an excellent drummer and all around musician.
Speaking of which, the knucklehead who chimes in and agrees with the aforementioned comment doesn’t come close to spelling the word “musician” correctly.
And he says something about musicians living in “wealthy neighborhoods.”
No wonder Bruford eventually decided to retire.
Saw him lecture at the University of Michigan School of Music in 2017. I hope he returns for a whole semester...or two.
This is just so good. David Torn kills me every time.
Earthworks, Up North was magical.
Good observation having Torn with the Beat band. My secret wish would have been Marco Minneman on drums!
This was on VH1!!!! I was hacking my way through Poison videos!?
and a lava lamp. classic.
Great Scott! Mr Bill seems to be a jolly good fellow yet Great Scott challenges into a I am great scott.
Wow, I just lay here in bed and played this real quiet with my smartphone up to my eardrum, and it's the best mix of YiND I've ever heard. Sounds really full/polished with all kinds of embellishments (and all for the better) I've never heard before. What's going on here?
Torn’s Steinberger era.
Genial Bill, I'm a fun of you. Best regards from Córdoba, Spain
it's 1987! weird. I kinda knew time was acting funky after everyone got hooked on computers, but it's 1987.. woah
Ah, 80s guitars. Steinberger.
Bruford's sarcastic humor.
Wicked Josh!
up north is so great.
😂boisterous Bill😆
❤❤
*crimes of the century:*
1. Bill had to pay the band £10k to leave Yes.
2. Far inferior drummer Alan White was given 50% of Bill's royalties for 'close to the edge', even though he never composed anything.
spanish steel
Strange man. I'm certain he would have been educated at a private school. Something about his slightly condescending and pretentious manner (Americans don't tend to possess). Reminds me of Peter Greenaway and how he expresses himself. However both very good at what they do. I remember that time at art college. The tutors all wore black and took themselves very seriously. That doesn't seem to be the case nowadays.
He does come across that way, but I don't think it's how he actually means it. I've run into plenty of muricans who sound that way. Any time I've been in the wealthy neighborhoods of the city I live in, I get that sort of attitude.
Strange comment. I’m certain the origin is douche related.