Supporting one another on racial lines is ungodly guys yes History has shown that land was unjustly taken away from natives people world wide mostly African people have suffered the most from there European counterparts what can we do to make a better and brighter future - learning from the mistakes of the past is forgiveness and love - one people Man-kind
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Mbali is a scared girl and not needed. The white man never really me dialogue they want it when they are agitated and uncomfortable. Mbali a wish wish leader. I not need some more Mbali
Mbali repeatedly says we need to speak, we need to speak....after 21 years we still need to speak about it, shame... now we do it. We cannot postpone it any further...EFF lead the struggle...we are right behind you.
what history is this sick guy talking about, colonial history???? what do you celebrate about Apartheid? is it good history that one would want to be associated with? all colonial symbols must go.
You're absolutely right. As an African American middle-aged male who have read and studied a lot of historical material on the history of the European colonialization of South Africa and the apartheid system of government they imposed on the Native African. The descendants of the white Europeans who colonized South Africa find it hard to fathom that black native South Africans are the majority in their own country and homeland.... They are very unapologetic about what they were doing to the native black South Africans during the period of colonialization and apartheid in South Africa.
+Tinosi Bhebhe You are so right ,everything the whites brought to Africa must go. No more roads ,no more electricity ,no more piped water and sanitation .Oh wait Government is already doing that lol .
Mbali does not know a pain of apartheid, she grew up with cheese and polony of which i dont see a problem when an African child is raised simple and easy but i wish she could have heart of those who suffered till Death i wish she could also learn more of our black people. I believe EFF have nothing to do with chasing away of white people but they looking forward to forget about the pain black people once experience by removing those individual statues. Mbali u act as if u r not Zulu lucky u to have white blood than black blood. EFF is looking forward to see for Rainbow nation black n white together and we want to b recognized in our own country .
+Eddie Tsubella I think she is outspoken and it is mistaken for intelligence Ndlozi raised valid points and she and the white guy were noise polluting the environment
I disagree, I believe the same way Black people fight against their own, there are White people who genuinely were disgusted by the apartheid system, which was reminder of the Nazi system that also killed so many white people. What do we say about blacks who are still collaborating with others against their own. Resorting to colour alone is really too simplistic. Your scepticism is understood though!!!
This White Man is speaking about the Dutch fighting British and both of them were White Colonizers. He also stated because of the Colonizers black people were made civilized, and that's a insulting.
We need real change and the statues will not grow our economy or decrease unemployment.I do not care if they fall or remain, please let do real transformation.
I agree with both sides The guy on the red said we should take down the statue (agree) But what made south africa? History made south africa We cannot replace history History stays as history we have to accept the fact. But we should keep it in a muzeum rather than damaging it. Yoo, we dont need to damage the history of south africa and lets not dicriminate others SUCH AS WHITE PPL And this is from a BLACK SOUTH AFRICA 💖 PEACEo(〃＾▽＾〃)o
I doubt that black Zimbabweans celebrate Cecil John Rhodes and all that he represented. The man is just buried here and surely we can't go around digging up his grave, but that does not mean that we love or respect him.
This Wall must come Down(Ronald Regan..1990..Remember????The statues MUST-come Down.Now.).That is your LAND,you owe no one Nada. Your Resources..Your Land
When are they going to break down the Castle in Cape Town. What about other historical buildings? There is lots to break still. They can keep the uneducated people busy with this whilst I and similar hard working people will continue to focus on working and making money.
Charlene Haines Would it be ok for statues of Adolf Hitler and the hierarchy of the third Reich to dominate city squares in Germany? They are part of German History... what did you make of the Statue of Saddam Hussein being taken down by Iraqis? I say put those statues in a museum, but they cannot stay erected in City Squares...enshrined as heroes.
Chris Vanoire As I said statues and buildings meet nothing to me. I've got far bigger things to focus on in building a life for my family. I've never even seen half these statues they want to tear down. It really means nothing to me. If it makes other people feel happy, and passes time go for it.
This wouter guy and Mbali do not want to give direct answers, they're are just trying to make them selves look good by talking about transformation LOL
Only in Africa you will see and hear debate about demolishing the statues of their oppressors, colonizers and criminals against humanity, you won't see south koreans having statues of Japanese generals post joseon era.
Paul Kruger also sjamboked Chief Kgamanyane in front of his people for refusing to provide free labour to the Afrikaaner farmers. The old chief had to into exile to the then Bechuanaland. And that's history meneer.
It’s funny how Mbali approaches the situation. But it’s really a disgrace seeing statues of racists people on your way to campus etc just laying around this beautiful country.💭
I am from the U.S. living in FLorida , and something just caught my attention on my local television news . Someone dropped a solid gold collectable " Kruger " south African coin in one of the red charity buckets for Salvation Army , because it's a very common thing here in the U.S. during Christmas time . When i looked up who Kruger was , i thought i may have made a connection to why someone would put such a valuable coin in one of those red buckets . ... There was some news a few years ago about the Salvation Army using funds to give to parties in Africa that murder a certain demographic of Africans . My local news did not make this connection ,,,,, and why would they , it is very right wing here in Florida . I could be wrong , but that coin seems like a Statement of deliberate , yet subtle malcontent to me . . What do you think ?
Mbuli my sister, you are still far behind understanding who you are.In the first place,how did the whites come SA, did they have the passports or the Visas?.And remember this is Africa for Africans.You are not a Pan-Africanist minded young Zulu lady.I really don't believe it.
lol did he just say if the eff want violence they will get violence ?.the doesn't strike me as a violent kind of guy im sure the only think he knows is talking too much or most certainly sit behind a computer. BIG UP EFF!!!!!!!
You yourself don't know the history of apartheid, you are like saying It's like you are saying it's okay for Jews to live with Hitler statue. I don't think that will happen even for a day looking at the painful history.
I agree to the removal of statues and the protests but no painting or any form of damage. To Ndlozi, removal of statues is not a matter of life and death. I agrees that it is an important issue but not urgent . Process should be followed and upon conclusion action should be taken to remove the statues. Mbali -The use of words “I don’t care as person“ is inappropriate ,you representing the DA at the time and also laugh is unprofessional and indicates lack of seriousness . Vesels should -realise that all this statues we put during the apartheid era and should be done away with- and be moved to the museums. That where people will learn about them better Thank you for the debate.
u can talk about education ,poverty, NSFAS or whatever is good BUT first we want the statues of enemies down that is the begin of everything good for us ...................history of apartheid is useless is getting us nowhere
i just want to let my African brothers and sisters know that u have millions of African Americans that have ur full support. BLACK POWER
Salute brother for Trinidad B1✊
Supporting one another on racial lines is ungodly guys yes History has shown that land was unjustly taken away from natives people world wide mostly African people have suffered the most from there European counterparts what can we do to make a better and brighter future - learning from the mistakes of the past is forgiveness and love - one people Man-kind
So then you doing the same open the borders again for Zimbabweans and all other black nations black power
The brother in the red hat is a real revolutionary. Africa need more men like him.
The murder of Shaka was the biggest mistake in African history.
No it wasn’t he was gonna kill other African tribes like Sotho,Ndebele etc
Shaka is from Africa.
Ndlozi is such an intelligent speaker.Keep it up man,we love u
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Such a marvel to listen to Mbuyiseni Ndlozi. wow!!
Ja action is needed,i agree with EFF spokesperson
Shame, so you are basing your opinion on propaganda and emotions not history the Eff knows nothing about South Africa's history
Mbali is one of the few miseducated zulu small girls, infact she seems not to understand whats going on,,, she is interllectually bankrupt.
Denis WOT' Awor ZulU People
For YH WH giving facts, I am try to save "We The People" I also believe that the sovereign African Countries should file a Class Action Claim against China in the Sum of Ten Trillion Dollars ($10,000,000,000,000) because of the Corona Virus. Don't forget to order - the most powerful Manual on the Planet, which was written by The Real King Charles, to help "We The People" protect ourselves. Please click on the following link theonlywayout.net
There were Brown American African in Congress around the year of 1885 which were brown Republicans, but the White Democratic Members were Julius of the Brown American Africa in the Congress of Mississippi. So the Democratic Members started a smear campaign and even got the KKK to start attacking the Brown Congress men.
For the record, I am the author of the most powerful Manual on the planet. Please click on the following link theonlywayout.net to learn how to protect yourself. Before the Corona Virus is over and after the Corona Virus is over, this is a fact, you are going to need this Manual.
If the "powers that be" wants to make a one World government, we must have the greatest Constitution on the planet, which is the Constitution of the United States of America. My Manual contains all the information that you need to get back your United States of America Constitution Rights. The people must have the greatest Constitution on the planet, Right now the American people have Civil Rights which is really weak. My Manual contains all the information that you need to get back your United States of America Constitution Rights. Protect yourself, let freedom rain across America and the world.
It's a shame guys
Mbali is a scared girl and not needed. The white man never really me dialogue they want it when they are agitated and uncomfortable. Mbali a wish wish leader. I not need some more Mbali
You can hide the statues but you can't change history 🤯
Mbuyiseni Ndlosi (EFF) is clear and sharp on his points.
Yoooh Mr Ndlozi...Please Take my respect. You Are very intelligent
That's a joke right? The Eff know nothing about South Africa's history, Nothing!!!!!
NDLOzi know you inspire me
Mbali repeatedly says we need to speak, we need to speak....after 21 years we still need to speak about it, shame... now we do it. We cannot postpone it any further...EFF lead the struggle...we are right behind you.
ANC doesnt keep its words as usual..
what history is this sick guy talking about, colonial history???? what do you celebrate about Apartheid? is it good history that one would want to be associated with? all colonial symbols must go.
You're absolutely right. As an African American middle-aged male who have read and studied a lot of historical material on the history of the European colonialization of South Africa and the apartheid system of government they imposed on the Native African. The descendants of the white Europeans who colonized South Africa find it hard to fathom that black native South Africans are the majority in their own country and homeland.... They are very unapologetic about what they were doing to the native black South Africans during the period of colonialization and apartheid in South Africa.
+Tinosi Bhebhe You are so right ,everything the whites brought to Africa must go.
No more roads ,no more electricity ,no more piped water and sanitation .Oh wait Government is already doing that lol .
Tinosi Bhebhe ..Get That Idiot out of here.....Is he from the south of the US????Stupid
I've never seen a statue of SERIAL KILLERS. They form history too
Haibo what’s wrong with Mbali😂...exposing her stupidity to the entire world..busy giggling with uninformed arguments
She's annoying
Again Dr ndlozi won the debate
DA should be embarrassed.
Many Blessings and love to the President and peoples of South Africa.Please keepYour Resources.Africa is your home..(a man of the Diaspora.USA)
Mbali does not know a pain of apartheid, she grew up with cheese and polony of which i dont see a problem when an African child is raised simple and easy but i wish she could have heart of those who suffered till Death i wish she could also learn more of our black people.
I believe EFF have nothing to do with chasing away of white people but they looking forward to forget about the pain black people once experience by removing those individual statues. Mbali u act as if u r not Zulu lucky u to have white blood than black blood.
EFF is looking forward to see for Rainbow nation black n white together and we want to b recognized in our own country .
+Eddie Tsubella I think she is outspoken and it is mistaken for intelligence Ndlozi raised valid points and she and the white guy were noise polluting the environment
Eddie Tsubella She is kissing white people asses. We were young but we were affected. We can't compromise our revolution
P.S. There are so many white people who fought against apartheid, put up their statues!!!
I disagree, I believe the same way Black people fight against their own, there are White people who genuinely were disgusted by the apartheid system, which was reminder of the Nazi system that also killed so many white people.
What do we say about blacks who are still collaborating with others against their own. Resorting to colour alone is really too simplistic. Your scepticism is understood though!!!
This Mbali girl has no clue
True that. I would really like to know her ideological background.. She's clueless..
Lol this mali woman should not be in this DEBATE they should get another woman from mali WITH MORE COMMON SENCE 🤛👊✊🇿🇦
Im just saying 🚴♀️
This White Man is speaking about the Dutch fighting British and both of them were White Colonizers. He also stated because of the Colonizers black people were made civilized, and that's a insulting.
ndlozi..a true african leader
We need real change and the statues will not grow our economy or decrease unemployment.I do not care if they fall or remain, please let do real transformation.
Democracy is total confusion 😢
They must remove all of them.
Why?
He said he's disgusted 😄😄😄😂
This debate all the people put more valid points
I agree with both sides
The guy on the red said we should take down the statue (agree)
But what made south africa?
History made south africa
We cannot replace history
History stays as history we have to accept the fact.
But we should keep it in a muzeum rather than damaging it.
Yoo, we dont need to damage the history of south africa and lets not dicriminate others SUCH AS WHITE PPL
And this is from a BLACK SOUTH AFRICA 💖 PEACEo(〃＾▽＾〃)o
We don't want our next generation to look at these tings.
22:40 - He is right. This is a real problem. BTW Does any of these people know that one of Paul Kruger's ancestors was a Khoi woman? ;)
this mbali is clueless and please sabc must bring serious people for debate not this nonstata.
😂😂😂😂
I'm very expressed by the way opposing parties carrying this type of debate forward.
Our history don't start from these imperialists statues. It started long time ago.but there is statue of African heroes like Kings and Queens.
Mbali knows nothing this girl iz empty
You should have brought KING Cecil John Rhodes statue back to Zimbabwe because even the black Zimbabweans respect him here!
I doubt that black Zimbabweans celebrate Cecil John Rhodes and all that he represented. The man is just buried here and surely we can't go around digging up his grave, but that does not mean that we love or respect him.
That's a lie, Zimbabweans dug up Rhodes bones and throw them away. Rhodes is hated in Zimbabwe
The girl is beautiful and has giggle thats so soothing.
This Wall must come Down(Ronald Regan..1990..Remember????The statues MUST-come Down.Now.).That is your LAND,you owe no one Nada.
Your Resources..Your Land
Bravo Dr Ndlozi!
how is the a statue going to eradicate poverty really
Beautiful debate 👌🏿
By the way do we have black South Africans who own land and industries in Netherlands 🇳🇱?????
Mbali was very interllectually bankrupt.
why is Himmler or Hitler not in Germany but SA should be an exception ?
We can't have offensive statues in our public spaces. They need to go to the Apartheid museum. We can't be tortured like this.
Black power in south africa
When are they going to break down the Castle in Cape Town. What about other historical buildings? There is lots to break still. They can keep the uneducated people busy with this whilst I and similar hard working people will continue to focus on working and making money.
Charlene Haines Would it be ok for statues of Adolf Hitler and the hierarchy of the third Reich to dominate city squares in Germany? They are part of German History... what did you make of the Statue of Saddam Hussein being taken down by Iraqis? I say put those statues in a museum, but they cannot stay erected in City Squares...enshrined as heroes.
Chris Vanoire As I said statues and buildings meet nothing to me. I've got far bigger things to focus on in building a life for my family. I've never even seen half these statues they want to tear down. It really means nothing to me. If it makes other people feel happy, and passes time go for it.
Charlene Haines Why commenting then .? 😂😂😂😂😂. if you got things to focus on?
@@chrisvanoire3328 These statues are of people that did not put others into gas chambers or concentration camps man. Are you stupid or what?
This wouter guy and Mbali do not want to give direct answers, they're are just trying to make them selves look good by talking about transformation LOL
All these people want is talking with no ideas, no action.
Where are the statues of the mate belt and zulu kings
Eish DA is very useless yazz!
i like the white guy's statement.."Cecil Rhodes is no hero to the Afrikaaner people"...
Well Botha is no hero to black people either
Only in Africa you will see and hear debate about demolishing the statues of their oppressors, colonizers and criminals against humanity, you won't see south koreans having statues of Japanese generals post joseon era.
This Should have just kept quiet💔
This Mbali is confused, if people want peace for generations they must remove these things.
Lwandile Mhlanga Her fake accent is so annoying..she is fake
Build your own towns and city's. Then you can put up what ever statues you want. How about that? Oh did i use a forbidden word????? Build...
Anc don't keep their word period.
Remove the Parliament building. APARTHEID BUILDING.
Built by Queen British Victoria.
Paul Kruger also sjamboked Chief Kgamanyane in front of his people for refusing to provide free labour to the Afrikaaner farmers. The old chief had to into exile to the then Bechuanaland. And that's history meneer.
The Statues must go or send them to Europe..or else where ..but not to the US...We are putting the confederate statues to sleep in the US
2:53 Man.
The defacement is also part of history.
We have the same debate in America with confederacy statues. Put them in a museum if you want to preserve history. They don’t belong out in public:
Those statues are an insult to Africans. I am shocked they’re still there
This presenter got robbed live on tv lol
Mbali wants to sweet talk the imperialist wish her the best
It’s funny how Mbali approaches the situation. But it’s really a disgrace seeing statues of racists people on your way to campus etc just laying around this beautiful country.💭
Evil history all down
It's time nw to rise up and be counted
What are about Orania in Northern Cape,
How can SA have apartheid statues standing today???? And you have Africans in support, interesting 🧐
IF EFF GOES THERE WAT ARE U GOING TO DO?. IF U THING U CAN DO TO US WHAT U DID TO OUR ELDERS #THINK AGAIN
hi
I am from the U.S. living in FLorida , and something just caught my attention on my local television news . Someone dropped a solid gold collectable " Kruger " south African coin in one of the red charity buckets for Salvation Army , because it's a very common thing here in the U.S. during Christmas time . When i looked up who Kruger was , i thought i may have made a connection to why someone would put such a valuable coin in one of those red buckets . ... There was some news a few years ago about the Salvation Army using funds to give to parties in Africa that murder a certain demographic of Africans . My local news did not make this connection ,,,,, and why would they , it is very right wing here in Florida . I could be wrong , but that coin seems like a Statement of deliberate , yet subtle malcontent to me . . What do you think ?
Stop talking start doing am with you brother
The time of talking and debating SHOULD BE OVER
Real action speaks louder than Words
Im just saying 🚴♀️
What history is that anorexic taking about?
Mbuli my sister, you are still far behind understanding who you are.In the first place,how did the whites come SA, did they have the passports or the Visas?.And remember this is Africa for Africans.You are not a Pan-Africanist minded young Zulu lady.I really don't believe it.
Mbali cabanga ukuthi awuzizwa kwawena ukuthi uthini
lol did he just say if the eff want violence they will get violence ?.the doesn't strike me as a violent kind of guy im sure the only think he knows is talking too much or most certainly sit behind a computer. BIG UP EFF!!!!!!!
Riemoef piephol🧐🧔🏿?
take the 1994 dream forward
🤣🤣🤣 EFF nonsense
The EFF man does know history at all. He is not very intelligent either.
You yourself don't know the history of apartheid, you are like saying It's like you are saying it's okay for Jews to live with Hitler statue. I don't think that will happen even for a day looking at the painful history.
If Ndlozi is the best the EFF has got, I'm ashamed to be black. We need to talk more sense guys.
I SAY WE DO NOT NEED DEBATES, WE NEED TO START DOING!!!
Molefi Clement B1✊
I think that =
"Listening to "alternative"/other people's-Opinion's"; is essentially -Important!!
Do what?
This Mbali is immature, always giggling mxm!
the EFF guy won this debate
This lady needs to learn more about herself. She lacks PRIDE as a black African.
That black woman must be schooled. Who is she?
this is why I cant take women in politics seriously....
Dr Ndlozi is giving an intellectual debate. The apartheid statues should be placed in museums.
Well done EFF u are the really leaders who stand for the freedom of ur people. Bravo
Mbali is a white opinion in a black skin.
Love Ndlozi
So mbali wants people to talk yet she's laughing and undermining other people's views
I agree to the removal of statues and the protests but no painting or any form of damage. To Ndlozi, removal of statues is not a matter of life and death. I agrees that it is an important issue but not urgent . Process should be followed and upon conclusion action should be taken to remove the statues. Mbali -The use of words “I don’t care as person“ is inappropriate ,you representing the DA at the time and also laugh is unprofessional and indicates lack of seriousness . Vesels should -realise that all this statues we put during the apartheid era and should be done away with- and be moved to the museums. That where people will learn about them better Thank you for the debate.
EFF is going to take over this government viva EFF
u can talk about education ,poverty, NSFAS or whatever is good BUT first we want the statues of enemies down that is the begin of everything good for us ...................history of apartheid is useless is getting us nowhere
B1✊