@@kamds0140 great job on LOTR, I have VERY few complaints. The Hobbit trilogy OTOH was a train wreck, IMO. I mean not in a technical aspect. In that regard it was gorgeous, just not as faithful to the book.
It's insane to think that Peter Jackson got this on film! It makes me wonder how much the producers researched the whole story instead of just shooting stuff.
I love Tolkien, the books, film adaptations and extended lore, but whoah… my knowledge is truly surface level, I’m realising, as I watch more and more of these excellent videos. The significance of that “I keep none for myself” line is shatteringly emotive.
worse than 'ARE WE THERE YET!' I'm sure Thranduil was so pleased to have that care package dropped off at his doorstep ! - aww MAN what are we going to do with this guy ?! Aragorn probably ran as fast as he could out of there! - later the wood Elves said OOopps we lost him.... HA ha
And it is already one of the most thrilling scenes for me, especially thanks to the score of master Howard Shore when Aragorn draws the sword, NOW IT'S EVEN BETTER !!!
@@fcturner It makes sense in the context of the movie...they changed quite some stuff regarding Aragorn. So instead of just complaining, try to think why they made the sword scene differently
Aragorn could be boring with most other writers since he's so noble and rightous all the time, but Tolkien turned him into one of the best men ever written,a man all men can aspire too. Have a good day
@@AnnaMarianne i dont get it either. people seem to find fictional characters who show nuances of meanness or darkness in them as a more excellent writing. when being real, and noble is the hardest thing a human can aspire to. people just want their ego stroke lol
@@redefinedliving5974 Yep. Anyone can be selfish, foolish or a jerk. It doesn't take trying. I think people feel threathened (judged) by someone else's successfull striving for inner greatness, and want to tarnish it. We want to find something ugly in good people, and tell ourselves the bad people aren't that bad really. Gives us solace while we stay in our vices.
@@TheRatsintheWalls that's not the point. look at the hatred towards mary sue/gary stu characters. people seem to not believe that such people exist in the world. we're talking about more about the collective shadow of humanity and their negativity towards people like Aragorn in real life. to be so noble there must be something wrong with you. maybe there are exception to this but people seem to be so dissociated and like living in the fictional world more lol
It's one of my favorite pieces of background info that feed into LOTR. To be fair, Tolkien's world is full of things like this, but I love how directly it ties into such important characters in LOTR!
@@NerdoftheRings thank you for your work. I’ve been on a re-bing of all thing LOTR to help cope with Pandemic anxiety. And stuff like this really is wonderful to listen to!
I’m so glad my videos could play a small part in helping you cope with current events. It’s been a great escape for me as well, creating these videos. Middle-earth is a great place to visit when times get hectic!
The more I hear and read of TLOTR, the harder I find it to comprehend that this, _all_ of this, the books, the letters, the films, the symbology and symbolisms, the languages, religions, allegiances, characters, the histories, cultures and mythologies, the Radio shows, TV shows, animations, artwork, YT channels, discussion boards, AQA's.. All of it - is the result of the work of *one man* ...and a lot of it not until his later years Don't ever feel like you can't Never think you've peaked - Never stop building You have *no idea* what time will tell Xxx
In my opinion, the stories of Beren (hero) and Turin (cursed hero) are better. They face a greater foe in Melkor (Morgoth) and the evil creatures of Middle Earth are stronger because Melkor's strength and wrath made them. Sauron (maia) and his creatures, like the men of the line of Numenor, are diminished from the likes Glaurang (dragon), Gothmog (Balrog), Carcharoth (wolf), and Melkor (Ainur). That's not to say Sauron and his creatures were not daunting adversaries, just not as those that came before. That said Araragorn is a hero worthy of the greats in literature, belonging with likes of Odysseus, Hercules, and Beowulf.
1. I’m so impressed by the insane level of detail that Tolkien threw into his lore. I knew it was a lot, but these videos are just blowing my mind. (No wonder he worried nobody could enjoy Lord of the Rings without having read the Silmarillion.) 2. I’m equally impressed at the knowledge of Jackson, Walsh and Boyens when they were writing the movies. Holy cow. All the references that are so spot on!
But the references were grotesquely altered, giving the mindset of one character, to another character altogether. Robbing them of their bravery, stripping others of their wisdom and still others of their dignity. Quite effectively turning them... no... Throwing them, on their heads, in direct reverse of Tolkien's written intentions. Having Steeped myself in Tolkien's written world for over 44 years, Jackson's reversals of character and line switching... Well, it felt Outrageous and Blasphemous and that is, I am afraid, the very Best that I can say about Boyen's Walsh and Jackson's treatment of Tolkien's Beloved Children. They are but dim, wanting and Shadowy imposters to his world's actual inhabitants. As for the...LOOK, of Jackson's "Middle Earth" Save only for the roof of "The Golden Hall" Jackson's "Middle Earth" is absolutely stunning and profound in its Beauty and perfection of Landscape, Architecture and Design!
@@auroraarcturusambassador8042 Silmarillion is a book published after Tolkein's death. It was not worked up into book form by Tolkein, and many argued for it to be left as it was. It was mostly written first, but you could call it the prequel, or a laying out of context for The Hobbit and LotR. There's lots of information in it which explains hidden references in LotR.
I assume the elves natural low fertility does come in handy in an age where no conception is known apart maybe from some herbal times and counting the days.... (or maybe they are not less fertile, but have just really, really long menstruation cycles, like every 20 years for full 5 years... thats gonna be a tough time for Aragorn)
@@JH-zs3bs Straight to faves. Too much detail here, but I love it. I can definately see a culture clash between the elves more laid back nature spanning thousands of years and Aragorns more ... human needs ... spanning ... well, a couple of hours. Btw, this is not the topic for a 3 hour movie, more in the nature of a 20 minute movie where they "Talk"
I really appreciate how coherent you've presented the timelines and what the characters are doing. Although I've read and reread the books, Tolkien's world is so alive that it's still difficult to keep it all straight in ones head. Excellent work! Also at first I thought the voices was a bit silly but it is growing on me and I think it really adds to the presentation.
Tolkien was a perfectionist. He often rewrote whole chapters of the story because he discovered that the timeline of two complete different plot branches (say Frodo and Sam vs Gimli and Legolas didn't align up with the position of the moon! As in in scene A it was full moon and in scene B it was half moon, but he calculated that it should be the same day. Although probably nobody would notice, that simply would not do, and he would rewrite parts until it all fitted perfectly. This drove the publisher mad , the book was work in progress for at least 14 years (although that includes WW2)
Elrond has arrogance left in him, huh? Being proud of one's own status as an immortal and of high previlige, he think only the highest Human position is good enough for his daughter, huh? But at least he had Aragon not ambushed and captured, interrogated and then started sniffing his head while saying *_" I can smell, how you age. And every time I smell it I fear to have been infected! Humanity... is an illness. And we Elves, are the cure. "_*
The scene with Aragorn saying " I keep none to myself" 10:35 To Elrond talking about hope. You can almost interpret the delivery of Viggo Mortensen and see in Aragorns eyes as if he is thinking/repeating his mothers last words.... The scene is more profound when you think of it that way.
This was what I thought too. I love how there's so many hints towards the history of the characters that you'd never find out without researching. A true masterpiece.
They could probably make an entire series just about Aragorn and his life. He is popular enough for sure. He is pretty much the perfect archetype for which every man should strive for and he is a complete bad ass too. To bad we don't have great men like him leading our world now a days lol. The world would be a far better place.
Oh wow... I thought that quote in return of the King was powerful enough. But now that I know he is directly quoting his Mother in that moment, it will never be the same. Incredible stuff
I think the really interesting thing was when Arwen said "Then we are cousins from afar" to Aragorn. That, when I first read it fifty years ago, struck me as amazing, and very telling. He can expect to live for another 200 years and he's fallen in love with someone who is already 4,000 years old.
@@thekalaoakidd Forty human generations, yes. Arwen would be the niece of Elros, Aragorn's ancestor. So when you look at it from the Elvish angle, as I'm assuming she did, it's not so remote. And for immortal beings like Elves we humans must come and go so quickly as to be almost irrelevant to them at times.
Elrond and Elros are identical twins. Elros lived up to 500 years old before he left the circles of the world. By the time of the War of the Rings during Aragorn's livelihood, Elrond was already 6500 years old. Arwen is roughly about 3000 plus years old by this time as well. Elros is Arwen's paternal uncle that is correct and Aragorn is a direct descendent of Isildur, last of the Lord of Andunie in Numenor. The Lords of Andunie are descended from Silmarien, first child and daughter of her father, a Numenorean King (I forgot his name) who in turn is a direct lineage of Elros Tar Minyatur himself. Hope that helps.
@@goodputin4324 Yeah, that's more or less how I recall it. Once years ago I sat down and analyzed and correlated the dates and events and wrote out a handy chart of the ages of the main elvish characters. Long since lost it but I remember Arwen was just a bit over 3,000 but you're right, not 4,000. Still, that's a lot of birthday cakes over time.
LOL I really laughed out loud at the "sounds familiar" part... about Denethor being 2nd in his Father's eyes. I love how you adapted your voice to the characters...Amazing!!! Make more videos about LOTR and every LOTR Lore!!!!
Thanks so much! There’s plenty more on the channel - and on the way! Make sure you subscribe so you don’t miss the new ones. 😁 I’m working on a big one for this weekend!
The complete bad-assery, loneliness, struggle, heartbreak and romance of Aragorn have made more of us D&D Rangers over the years than even Drizzt. Epic stuff. Actually Faramir was always my prototype, even though as a Yorkshire lass I walked up Ingleborough to what I saw immediately as Weathertop as a young child in winter, father showing me the old fortification outlines of two millennia. Whan Faramir started trying to sing the lay of Beren and Luthien, stumbling in half-learned ignorance, fear and rain in the desolation of all that he held dear, I forgave all the slight deviations of the films. Magic for any fan.
I had to research Ingleborough, it's beautiful and makes a perfect weathertop. I live in Alsace, France, to me Alsace IS the Shire, the villages look like Bree :) I think it's interesting how everyone is projecting Middle Earth onto the lanscapes that surround us. Same goes for Peter Jackson who grew up imagining LOTR in New Zealand :)
@@emmaphilo4049 Indeed, France has some amazing scenery, I used to follow the Tour de France around when I was younger and the scenery was beautiful, but the Yorkshire Dales is my childhood and so remains special for me as the midlands did for JRR. I actually live in Hong Kong now in a small town by the sea but still visit the hills when I see my family, when we're not in Covid.
Between Malton and Pickering lie a couple of hobbit villages , the Marishes, and of course don't forget Wetwang in the Wolds. Wouldn't surprise me if Tolkien thought of Ingleborough when he envisaged weathertop
I know Beren and Luthien came first but honestly, Aragorn and Arwen hit me more in the feels. I think it's because I feel more familiar with Aragorn and know what a great character he is. Not to mention, I imagine Liv Tyler as Arwen when I picture her now, who is by far one of the most beautiful creatures I've ever seen.
It's kind of crazy isn't it? It always amazes me how the years pass in Middle-earth. It our day, taking a year to go on a trip seems insane. In Middle-earth society, it's a normal occurrence to be away from home for a few years at a time.
@@NerdoftheRings I mean, that was pretty normal back in the days before easy air or rail travel. I can get pretty much anywhere in the world within a week, if I could afford it. When the travel time is months to years, you can't exactly skip back after a few days. Most people instead would either never leave home, or would never return.
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@@NerdoftheRings I spent years sailing a small boat across the Pacific, at the average speed of a person jogging. Many a deep did we cross, many breaking waves taller than high hills did we surmount, and many a killing storm did we survive. We spent a few years at it.
@@AmazingJayB51 I’d like that too. But I feel it’d be hard to see someone other than Viggo as the character. My thought with the game was that they could make the character look like him and he could do the voice, even though he’s 20 years older. Of course, that’s wishful thinking. But he would be a great character for a movie series or even a tv show like The Mandalorian style.
@@goodputin4324 No one - but it is usually only kings that number their names in this fashion. No one called him 'Aragorn II', every name will likely have been used by numerous ancestors - in fact it is quite normal for people to choose a name for their son or daughter taken from another relative,
@@BenFrayle what the fuck are you on about? I just wrote the fact from books. He is officially Aragorn II, when he became King of the Réunited Kingdom he took the name of Elessar Telcontar, just like his great father Elros who became Elros Tar-Minyatur.
@@goodputin4324 I see what you mean, but just because the chart of his lineage has him as 'Aragorn II' that wasn't his 'name'.It is a numbering device for historians to avoid confusion, and was affixed there when they were being written down years later. Consider, did 'Aragorn I' 2319-2337) refer to himself or was he addressed as 'I'? None of the other chieftain without a same-named successor are listed as I. The I/II was just added by Tolkien for the same reason he put the lineages, footnotes and appendixes generally - to explain the background of the world.
10:33 I never knew that line has so much significance, but hearing you build up to the moment, and seeing Aragorn/Vigo deliver the line, it puts me in tears!
He's the ultimate politician, he's literally spent his entire life training to be king and 80 years of it knowing that he won't get laid unless he's king.....of COURSE he desired power and kingship.
Great peice of film just after he is crowned, he seems to sigh before he turns to the crowd, as though even though he is rightfully the king, he really doesn't want it
2:35, this is what I missed in the movie! That Aragorn had the broken sword the entire time; especially when he is meeting with the four hobbits (book readers, you know the scene)
can't stop watching these awesome videos. JRR Tolkien truly created one masterpiece after another. and you sir make some incredible videos of these stories. THank you so much!
I love how Elrond's putting Aragorn through ridiculous trials before he can even think about marriage to Arwen while Galadriel gives him fancy clothes and has him spend some nights with Arwen. Elrond: Stop undermining me. Galadril: You're gatekeeping and you know it.
Awesome video mate , i love how much more i learn about Tolkien's works threw your videos . Keep up the grind and the channel is gonna be big eventually.
Thanks so much. I love hearing that people are enjoying the videos. Definitely helps with the grind in these early days of slower growth! Hopefully the channel catches on and grows as time goes by! Thanks again!!
It still surprises me when artist portray Aragorn as having facial hair. 😆 Tolkien states that he didn't imagine Aragorn or any of the chieftains of Númenor or their descendants (Like Denethor, Boromir, Imrahil, etc) to have facial hair. This not due to a custom of shaving but by bloodline descending from elves.
Each actor was perfect choosen f the role; can imagine Viggo being Legolas or Blanchett playing Arwin etc Viggos portrayal of Aragon will 4eva be immortalised in cinematic history,he (like rhe rest of the central characters) was simply fabulous
This is a really cool channel. I've enjoyed every video so far. Feels like actual history which is disconcerting. My fiance and I watched RoTK extended edition the other night and I was telling her all about the contextual meanings of different scenes which I learned from this channel lol. I also explained to her who Glorfindel was and how badass he is despite not being in the film, etc etc. I was immediately chastised for being a giant nerd and that this is just a story and doesn't really exist.... I must say, despite her consternation, I did not feel foolish and I chastised her back in equal measure.
Hearing all of this just makes me wish so bad we get a film about Aragorn's life before Lord of the Rings, especially the stuff involving Gondor, the reason because of Denethor. Thinking that he was being second to, in his eyes, some Ranger from the North by his father, would further add some dimension when he proclaims how he won't bow to Aragorn in Return of the King.
One detail I love is that technically Aragorn isn't supposed to have a beard (I believe it's due to his elvish ancestory, possibly mentioned in unfinished tales, though I'm happy to be corrected) but the whole fandom while generally fascinated with accuracy just quietly ignores that 😂
Unlike other fictional universes, whenever you ask for the origin or the "why?" of any given character, place or happening in Middle Earth, you get a logical and complex answer. And not just a "Because....drama!". Like in this instance we learn that the deep resentment Denethor has for Aragorn has a profound backstory and doesn't just serve as another plot obstacle. This to me is what makes Tolkien special and should be seen as textbook world building
The scene with Elrond passing the sword t Aragon in the tent(t take the dimolt pass) is 1 of my favourite speeches in the whole trilogy, along with Sams *theres some good in this world';* an *'l cant carry it for you but I can carry you';* speech
Aragons backstory is most intriguing, he goes by numerous names which have definitions t the purpose he must fullfil at that given time an is integrable t the success /survivability of humanity
Elrond only letting Aragorn marry Arwen if he defeats Sauron and becomes king is one of the best carrot and the stick approaches ever. Elrond be like: "I really need this guy to step up and be a leader to help fix this Sauron thing. Wait, he's into my daughter...perfect!"
Aragon; a man of valor, a honorable man, a galiant (valiant) warrier, a leader f who wud reign f all 'seasons', a just king who lived /died f his ppl. Truly deserves his place in mythological history
In The Fellowship of the Ring book Aragorn did see the Hobbits come to Bree and slipped over the wall near the gate without anyone seeing him except only as a shadow, before going to The Prancing Pony where he famously meets the Hobbits.
Excellent work. I can't tell how many times I have read the series and all the related material. I might just break it out once again - if the pages hold together. I'll be watching your other videos. Thanks for this. :)
Aragorn goes where he wants and almost everyone bros out with him. It would be wild to meet him and be like, “didn’t you fight in a war with my grandpa?” And him be like, “yeah man, your dad was just a kid. Crazy.” When he looks like a 30-40 something year old dude.
Omg after you played the scene where Elrond says "I gave my Hope to Numenor" and Aragorn responds "I keep none for myself" I had to pause the video to cry.
So amazing.. recently came across your channel and it has brought back some amazing memories of a time when I lived and breathed all things Lord of the Rings.. Thank you for making and sharing.
Aragon's life before LOTR is worth a film on it's own.
Yes!!!!!
Was about to comment this
Just keep Peter Jackson away, "somehow" all of his movies' characters will be involved.
@@BlackSmokeDMax im confused he did a good job on the movies why wouldn't you want him?
@@kamds0140 great job on LOTR, I have VERY few complaints. The Hobbit trilogy OTOH was a train wreck, IMO. I mean not in a technical aspect. In that regard it was gorgeous, just not as faithful to the book.
Elronds conversation with Aragorn in ROTK before giving him the sword has so much more meaning now that I know he quoted Aragorns mother. Pretty cool
So cool!!
It's insane to think that Peter Jackson got this on film! It makes me wonder how much the producers researched the whole story instead of just shooting stuff.
@@peterbneto Phillipa Boyens and Fran Walsh knew their sh*t, my friend.
@@peterbneto Peter Jackson didn't just make these movies, he literally turned into a Hobbit during the whole procedure. I think that says it all :D
I love Tolkien, the books, film adaptations and extended lore, but whoah… my knowledge is truly surface level, I’m realising, as I watch more and more of these excellent videos. The significance of that “I keep none for myself” line is shatteringly emotive.
imagine having to hear "it burns! it burns us!" for 900 miles.
Haha! I laughed out loud at this comment. So true. It's a miracle Aragorn didn't kill him.
Very witty comment. I commend you.
so was the movie not accurate when gandalf tells frodo gollum had been captured and tortured?
@@Shiggystardust lol well he was. by sauron
worse than 'ARE WE THERE YET!' I'm sure Thranduil was so pleased to have that care package dropped off at his doorstep ! - aww MAN what are we going to do with this guy ?! Aragorn probably ran as fast as he could out of there! - later the wood Elves said OOopps we lost him.... HA ha
Aragorn remembering his mother's last words makes the Narsil scene so much better!
I’m very impressed by how well researched the movie is. I never knew that one.
And it is already one of the most thrilling scenes for me, especially thanks to the score of master Howard Shore when Aragorn draws the sword, NOW IT'S EVEN BETTER !!!
As a rather uninformed watcher I have seen those scenes as cringe. The next time I watch them it might have a very different effect.
Except that he got it from Elrond before the counsel where the Fellowship was formed, so in the movie it’s a bullshit scene
@@fcturner It makes sense in the context of the movie...they changed quite some stuff regarding Aragorn. So instead of just complaining, try to think why they made the sword scene differently
Aragorn could be boring with most other writers since he's so noble and rightous all the time, but Tolkien turned him into one of the best men ever written,a man all men can aspire too. Have a good day
It's true, he is the true king archetype for men
It's harder to be good than to be bad.
@@AnnaMarianne i dont get it either. people seem to find fictional characters who show nuances of meanness or darkness in them as a more excellent writing. when being real, and noble is the hardest thing a human can aspire to. people just want their ego stroke lol
@@redefinedliving5974 Yep. Anyone can be selfish, foolish or a jerk. It doesn't take trying. I think people feel threathened (judged) by someone else's successfull striving for inner greatness, and want to tarnish it. We want to find something ugly in good people, and tell ourselves the bad people aren't that bad really. Gives us solace while we stay in our vices.
@@TheRatsintheWalls that's not the point. look at the hatred towards mary sue/gary stu characters. people seem to not believe that such people exist in the world. we're talking about more about the collective shadow of humanity and their negativity towards people like Aragorn in real life. to be so noble there must be something wrong with you. maybe there are exception to this but people seem to be so dissociated and like living in the fictional world more lol
Interesting that Denethor was jealous of Aragorn. Adds so much context to the bitterness we see in Return of the King.
It's one of my favorite pieces of background info that feed into LOTR. To be fair, Tolkien's world is full of things like this, but I love how directly it ties into such important characters in LOTR!
@@NerdoftheRings thank you for your work. I’ve been on a re-bing of all thing LOTR to help cope with Pandemic anxiety. And stuff like this really is wonderful to listen to!
I’m so glad my videos could play a small part in helping you cope with current events. It’s been a great escape for me as well, creating these videos. Middle-earth is a great place to visit when times get hectic!
@@NerdoftheRings Absolutely. I just wish the Amazon TV show is A) Good 2) coming soon.
Yes I just found out about that myself his own father favored Aragorn over him even though he never knew who Aragorn really was
The more I hear and read of TLOTR, the harder I find it to comprehend that this, _all_ of this, the books, the letters, the films, the symbology and symbolisms, the languages, religions, allegiances, characters, the histories, cultures and mythologies, the Radio shows, TV shows, animations, artwork, YT channels, discussion boards, AQA's..
All of it - is the result of the work of *one man*
...and a lot of it not until his later years
Don't ever feel like you can't
Never think you've peaked - Never stop building
You have *no idea* what time will tell
Xxx
Be like Smaug.
no tv and no youtube and no smartphone = lots of time to write
I think Aragorn will always be the coolest hero of all fictions/ novels.
Watched a pretty good video about how Aragorn is basically the picture perfect example of positive masculinity and I could not agree more
Feanor > Aragorn.
Sameise all the way!!
@@jameswalsh4113 I wouldn't say he is "'cool"
In my opinion, the stories of Beren (hero) and Turin (cursed hero) are better. They face a greater foe in Melkor (Morgoth) and the evil creatures of Middle Earth are stronger because Melkor's strength and wrath made them. Sauron (maia) and his creatures, like the men of the line of Numenor, are diminished from the likes Glaurang (dragon), Gothmog (Balrog), Carcharoth (wolf), and Melkor (Ainur). That's not to say Sauron and his creatures were not daunting adversaries, just not as those that came before. That said Araragorn is a hero worthy of the greats in literature, belonging with likes of Odysseus, Hercules, and Beowulf.
Man that quote from the dying mother and the reference to the film was brilliant.
You got yourself a new loving subscriber.
This tidbit is one of my absolute favorites from the adaptations with deeper meaning (unknown to most). So cool. Thanks for subscribing!!
I cried like a baby at that part
1. I’m so impressed by the insane level of detail that Tolkien threw into his lore. I knew it was a lot, but these videos are just blowing my mind. (No wonder he worried nobody could enjoy Lord of the Rings without having read the Silmarillion.) 2. I’m equally impressed at the knowledge of Jackson, Walsh and Boyens when they were writing the movies. Holy cow. All the references that are so spot on!
But the references were grotesquely altered, giving the mindset of one character,
to another character altogether.
Robbing them of their bravery,
stripping others of their wisdom and still others of their dignity.
Quite effectively turning them...
no... Throwing them,
on their heads,
in direct reverse of Tolkien's written intentions.
Having Steeped myself in Tolkien's written world for over 44 years, Jackson's reversals of character and line switching...
Well,
it felt Outrageous and Blasphemous
and that is,
I am afraid,
the very Best that I can say about Boyen's Walsh and Jackson's treatment of Tolkien's Beloved Children.
They are but dim, wanting and Shadowy imposters to his world's actual inhabitants.
As for the...LOOK,
of Jackson's
"Middle Earth"
Save only for the roof of
"The Golden Hall"
Jackson's
"Middle Earth"
is absolutely stunning and profound in its Beauty and perfection of Landscape, Architecture and Design!
I read lord of the rings at 17….wonderful books..but did not read simarrillian , the hobbit first. Fantastic.
What is Silmarillion?
@@auroraarcturusambassador8042 the other stories about Middle earth before LOTR and the Hobbit
@@auroraarcturusambassador8042 Silmarillion is a book published after Tolkein's death. It was not worked up into book form by Tolkein, and many argued for it to be left as it was. It was mostly written first, but you could call it the prequel, or a laying out of context for The Hobbit and LotR. There's lots of information in it which explains hidden references in LotR.
Could you imagine what the conversations were like between Aragorn and Gollum during that 900 mile walk😭😭😭
our only wish, to catch a fish, so juicyyyyyyyy SWEEETTTT
Be silent! I will get you a fish.
@@noideas439 but what about second Fish, elevensi, afternoon tea
Aragorn: pull my finger.
Gollum: Not this again precious.
loooots and looots of riddles precious....
Arwen and Aragorn go 'wandering'....Is that what the kids are callin' it?
I'm still confused by "talking"... Really? Just " Talking"?
I assume the elves natural low fertility does come in handy in an age where no conception is known apart maybe from some herbal times and counting the days....
(or maybe they are not less fertile, but have just really, really long menstruation cycles, like every 20 years for full 5 years... thats gonna be a tough time for Aragorn)
@@JH-zs3bs Straight to faves. Too much detail here, but I love it. I can definately see a culture clash between the elves more laid back nature spanning thousands of years and Aragorns more ... human needs ... spanning ... well, a couple of hours. Btw, this is not the topic for a 3 hour movie, more in the nature of a 20 minute movie where they "Talk"
@@radagastdk that’s why Arwen always seemed so tired and walked very lightly.
@@limeyfox Shame on your dirty mind :-)
I really appreciate how coherent you've presented the timelines and what the characters are doing. Although I've read and reread the books, Tolkien's world is so alive that it's still difficult to keep it all straight in ones head. Excellent work! Also at first I thought the voices was a bit silly but it is growing on me and I think it really adds to the presentation.
Thanks for watching! Glad you are enjoying the channel!
Tolkien was a perfectionist. He often rewrote whole chapters of the story because he discovered that the timeline of two complete different plot branches (say Frodo and Sam vs Gimli and Legolas didn't align up with the position of the moon! As in in scene A it was full moon and in scene B it was half moon, but he calculated that it should be the same day. Although probably nobody would notice, that simply would not do, and he would rewrite parts until it all fitted perfectly. This drove the publisher mad , the book was work in progress for at least 14 years (although that includes WW2)
@@Blackadder75 fucking amazing man. People look at me like I’m crazy when I praise Tolkien, but the man was a god amongst men with his work.
Same, but I'm liking the voices less the more I hear them.
This is why I love how these books give us the full maps for us non middle earthers to follow along to lol
Elrond: "She shall not be the bride of any man less than the king of both Gondor and Arnor."
Aragorn: "Hold my beer."
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*40 years later*
Aragorn: "Cheers ;)"
Elrond:”..... Mr. Anderson!” (put on sun glasses)
Elrond has arrogance left in him, huh?
Being proud of one's own status as an immortal and of high previlige, he think only the highest Human position is good enough for his daughter, huh?
But at least he had Aragon not ambushed and captured, interrogated and then started sniffing his head while saying
*_" I can smell, how you age. And every time I smell it I fear to have been infected! Humanity... is an illness. And we Elves, are the cure. "_*
Hold my ale?
The scene with Aragorn saying " I keep none to myself" 10:35 To Elrond talking about hope. You can almost interpret the delivery of Viggo Mortensen and see in Aragorns eyes as if he is thinking/repeating his mothers last words....
The scene is more profound when you think of it that way.
The eleven word he utters then: estel meaning hope
This was what I thought too. I love how there's so many hints towards the history of the characters that you'd never find out without researching. A true masterpiece.
Gandalf is literally friends with everyone
Yea he had the weed
Sauron wants to know your location
He’s an evolved being, and came to Middle Earth to be a help and a guide. I really love him. Not only is he powerful, he has a great sense of humour.
Every time I see his name I keep wanting to say Ganondorf.
Gandalf "I know a guy" the Grey
Always liked the wording between Aragorn and Arwen, It is really written well. Even in the movies it was acted greatly.
Agreed!
The conversation in LOTR are a favourite, they are well written
@@emmaphilo4049 the acting, the setup for all the orca where as in the new hobbit movies everything is done really poorly with shit cgi
It's poetry...
@@NerdoftheRingsThey had really good chemistry.
They could probably make an entire series just about Aragorn and his life. He is popular enough for sure. He is pretty much the perfect archetype for which every man should strive for and he is a complete bad ass too. To bad we don't have great men like him leading our world now a days lol. The world would be a far better place.
Oh wow... I thought that quote in return of the King was powerful enough. But now that I know he is directly quoting his Mother in that moment, it will never be the same. Incredible stuff
I think the really interesting thing was when Arwen said "Then we are cousins from afar" to Aragorn. That, when I first read it fifty years ago, struck me as amazing, and very telling. He can expect to live for another 200 years and he's fallen in love with someone who is already 4,000 years old.
I think forty generations(??) separate Arwen and 'Strider' between the two family lines.
@@thekalaoakidd Forty human generations, yes. Arwen would be the niece of Elros, Aragorn's ancestor. So when you look at it from the Elvish angle, as I'm assuming she did, it's not so remote. And for immortal beings like Elves we humans must come and go so quickly as to be almost irrelevant to them at times.
Iirc, they are first cousins *sixty-seven times removed.*
Elrond and Elros are identical twins. Elros lived up to 500 years old before he left the circles of the world. By the time of the War of the Rings during Aragorn's livelihood, Elrond was already 6500 years old.
Arwen is roughly about 3000 plus years old by this time as well.
Elros is Arwen's paternal uncle that is correct and Aragorn is a direct descendent of Isildur, last of the Lord of Andunie in Numenor. The Lords of Andunie are descended from Silmarien, first child and daughter of her father, a Numenorean King (I forgot his name) who in turn is a direct lineage of Elros Tar Minyatur himself.
Hope that helps.
@@goodputin4324 Yeah, that's more or less how I recall it. Once years ago I sat down and analyzed and correlated the dates and events and wrote out a handy chart of the ages of the main elvish characters. Long since lost it but I remember Arwen was just a bit over 3,000 but you're right, not 4,000. Still, that's a lot of birthday cakes over time.
*Earathorn dies from a single arrow*
Borimir: Hold my beer
Oh hell yeah!!
headshot
The Orc shot him in the eye
Arathorn
And Boromir was shot multiple times on the chest
We can live hundreds of years. What could go wrong..dies at 60 years old
I'll go to hell for laughing so hard at this
Gandalf is literally present on major events that were not featured on films.. so why the hell are we not getting a film about gandalf?
He is dead my guy..
As if you want to see a black gandalf
@@JuniorJuni070 I'm talking about gandalf not saruman. Gtfo
@@Dondingdingding are you hurt or something ? Why you so disresprctful my guy.. chill out. you might get a stroke
You got no humor.
@@Dondingdingding i was talking about gandalf too you dumb fuck.. you blind too
LOL I really laughed out loud at the "sounds familiar" part... about Denethor being 2nd in his Father's eyes. I love how you adapted your voice to the characters...Amazing!!! Make more videos about LOTR and every LOTR Lore!!!!
Thanks so much! There’s plenty more on the channel - and on the way! Make sure you subscribe so you don’t miss the new ones. 😁 I’m working on a big one for this weekend!
@@NerdoftheRings Yeeeeeeeey!!!! Youre now one of my favorite channels.
When you mentioned Denethor i instantly imagine tomatoes masacre 🤣
Can someone help meeeeeeeee i need to know what music is at the arwen and aragorns part
So Aragon was the true 40year old Virgin, giving nerds hope since 1954
but Dunedine fellows has 3 times longer life, so 40's roughly equal to 13 years old
that's an edgy teenager lol
@@Laurence0227 oh man. You just had to slash that one, and even on a friday before weekend. "Aragorn, you are our only hope".
@@Laurence0227 Yes but he stayed a virgin until 87.
@S R well I am a couple month away from becoming a mage, and the Undómiel of my life hasn’t show up yet lol
Im sure he got some strange in bree.
The complete bad-assery, loneliness, struggle, heartbreak and romance of Aragorn have made more of us D&D Rangers over the years than even Drizzt. Epic stuff. Actually Faramir was always my prototype, even though as a Yorkshire lass I walked up Ingleborough to what I saw immediately as Weathertop as a young child in winter, father showing me the old fortification outlines of two millennia. Whan Faramir started trying to sing the lay of Beren and Luthien, stumbling in half-learned ignorance, fear and rain in the desolation of all that he held dear, I forgave all the slight deviations of the films. Magic for any fan.
I had to research Ingleborough, it's beautiful and makes a perfect weathertop. I live in Alsace, France, to me Alsace IS the Shire, the villages look like Bree :) I think it's interesting how everyone is projecting Middle Earth onto the lanscapes that surround us. Same goes for Peter Jackson who grew up imagining LOTR in New Zealand :)
@@emmaphilo4049 Indeed, France has some amazing scenery, I used to follow the Tour de France around when I was younger and the scenery was beautiful, but the Yorkshire Dales is my childhood and so remains special for me as the midlands did for JRR. I actually live in Hong Kong now in a small town by the sea but still visit the hills when I see my family, when we're not in Covid.
Between Malton and Pickering lie a couple of hobbit villages , the Marishes, and of course don't forget Wetwang in the Wolds.
Wouldn't surprise me if Tolkien thought of Ingleborough when he envisaged weathertop
You really bring out the depth in Tolkiens tremendous world building effort.
I know Beren and Luthien came first but honestly, Aragorn and Arwen hit me more in the feels. I think it's because I feel more familiar with Aragorn and know what a great character he is. Not to mention, I imagine Liv Tyler as Arwen when I picture her now, who is by far one of the most beautiful creatures I've ever seen.
Never thought about the time that passed in between Bilbos birthday and Frodo leaving the shire. I didn’t realize how long it was
It's kind of crazy isn't it? It always amazes me how the years pass in Middle-earth. It our day, taking a year to go on a trip seems insane. In Middle-earth society, it's a normal occurrence to be away from home for a few years at a time.
@@NerdoftheRings I mean, that was pretty normal back in the days before easy air or rail travel. I can get pretty much anywhere in the world within a week, if I could afford it. When the travel time is months to years, you can't exactly skip back after a few days. Most people instead would either never leave home, or would never return.
@@NerdoftheRings I spent years sailing a small boat across the Pacific, at the average speed of a person jogging. Many a deep did we cross, many breaking waves taller than high hills did we surmount, and many a killing storm did we survive. We spent a few years at it.
@ Looking for the undying lands uh?
Can we get a game about this. Play through Aragorn’s life.... sort of in the style of Shadow of Mordor
I would buy this game in a heartbeat!
I would rather see a movie or even a 2 parter!
@@AmazingJayB51 I’d like that too. But I feel it’d be hard to see someone other than Viggo as the character.
My thought with the game was that they could make the character look like him and he could do the voice, even though he’s 20 years older. Of course, that’s wishful thinking. But he would be a great character for a movie series or even a tv show like The Mandalorian style.
that would be a dream come true
edit: It would be even better if it were developed by from software. I think they would really do it justice.
@@robertstimmel1100 holy moly could you imagine a LOTR game by From Software?
I had forgotten the context of his mother's quote in the movies. Watching that clip literally just brought tears to my eyes.
The fact channels can be made of only tolkien lore is honestly amazing, so much details, I love it
This is really detailed and feeling like I'm watching one of the movies. Well done.
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Literally what I was thinking. So well spoken and detailed. Another subscriber added to the list.
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I would totally love to see a series of "The Life and Trials of Aragorn".
Aragorn was always deferential and reverent toward Elrond and Galadriel. He knew he wasn’t their equal.
They are like demigods! Their time and wisdom is far greater than any library on middle earth.
A smart man is always nice to his girlfriend's family
Aragorn, A real king, A real man. The kind of man much needed in today's world. Long live Aragorn, long live the King. 🌹🌹🌹
Fun fact : His real name is actually Aragorn II as there was a previous Dunedain Chieftain called Aragorn I, one of his forefather.
He was never 'King Aragorn' nor was his ancestor, like all respectable kingdoms when he took the throne he chose a more hip name.
@@BenFrayle whoever did call him King Aragorn?
@@goodputin4324 No one - but it is usually only kings that number their names in this fashion. No one called him 'Aragorn II', every name will likely have been used by numerous ancestors - in fact it is quite normal for people to choose a name for their son or daughter taken from another relative,
@@BenFrayle what the fuck are you on about? I just wrote the fact from books. He is officially Aragorn II, when he became King of the Réunited Kingdom he took the name of Elessar Telcontar, just like his great father Elros who became Elros Tar-Minyatur.
@@goodputin4324 I see what you mean, but just because the chart of his lineage has him as 'Aragorn II' that wasn't his 'name'.It is a numbering device for historians to avoid confusion, and was affixed there when they were being written down years later. Consider, did 'Aragorn I' 2319-2337) refer to himself or was he addressed as 'I'? None of the other chieftain without a same-named successor are listed as I. The I/II was just added by Tolkien for the same reason he put the lineages, footnotes and appendixes generally - to explain the background of the world.
10:33 I never knew that line has so much significance, but hearing you build up to the moment, and seeing Aragorn/Vigo deliver the line, it puts me in tears!
Just epic, love the way you do those voices, its a bit silly but it add's so much more feeling to the story, really well done.
Thank you! I appreciate it!!
I had to do a retake of the Demeanor/Boramir/Faramir comparison. That segue was great!!
That scene at 10:37 so much more meaning now and Aragorn deliver is amazing
The fact that Aragorn had no hunger on power and being a king…is what made him the true king of Gondor.
He's the ultimate politician, he's literally spent his entire life training to be king and 80 years of it knowing that he won't get laid unless he's king.....of COURSE he desired power and kingship.
ur symbol is nearly a swastika my guy
Great peice of film just after he is crowned, he seems to sigh before he turns to the crowd, as though even though he is rightfully the king, he really doesn't want it
The movie made it look like he was afraid of failing, and with the Ring found, he was specifically afraid of becoming like Isildur
2:35, this is what I missed in the movie! That Aragorn had the broken sword the entire time; especially when he is meeting with the four hobbits (book readers, you know the scene)
@ no, the elves reforged it of course. But I didn't say about the reforging
can't stop watching these awesome videos. JRR Tolkien truly created one masterpiece after another. and you sir make some incredible videos of these stories. THank you so much!
Thanks so much! So glad your are enjoying the channel!
Aragorn is like the most special person to ever exist. Considering all the amazing things he did, what he's the heir too and who his ancestors are.
I love how Elrond's putting Aragorn through ridiculous trials before he can even think about marriage to Arwen while Galadriel gives him fancy clothes and has him spend some nights with Arwen.
Elrond: Stop undermining me.
Galadril: You're gatekeeping and you know it.
😂😂😂
That moved me to tears... I think you did a great job, let the words speak for themselves without overdiscussing it and with that soft music...
Viggo played the role so well, I don't think anyone would of been better for the role.
Oh this is just marvelous! Thank you so much ✨🧝♀️🌿
Thanks so much for watching! (And hopefully subscribing! 😁). So glad you liked it!!
Awesome video mate , i love how much more i learn about Tolkien's works threw your videos . Keep up the grind and the channel is gonna be big eventually.
Thanks so much. I love hearing that people are enjoying the videos. Definitely helps with the grind in these early days of slower growth! Hopefully the channel catches on and grows as time goes by!
Thanks again!!
Aragon; a man of the ppl ,for the ppl , t rule the ppl.
Viggo was actor perfect an played that role with vigor, honesty an true integrity
Dude, your vids are great. Informative, well paced an thought out, easy to understand, and entertaining. ....thanx!
Going back to older videos, I realize how much better your tone is these days. You’ve gotten better over time showing excitement in your voice!
It still surprises me when artist portray Aragorn as having facial hair. 😆 Tolkien states that he didn't imagine Aragorn or any of the chieftains of Númenor or their descendants (Like Denethor, Boromir, Imrahil, etc) to have facial hair. This not due to a custom of shaving but by bloodline descending from elves.
Strider, Aragon, Tharongil, Estel(Hope) , Dunadahn, etc
A man of many 'faces' an deserving of his honorable place in mythological history
This is cool. I always find myself studying Tolkien and his work, I'm glad I found this one.
Subscribed
The discovery of this channel has borne new life of my love for this series. I need to make time to read the books.
My god we need more of these movies Mr. Jackson
Omg ! Thank you so much for making this ! How wonderful to find out his backstory. :)
10:36 tears in his eyes when he remembered his mother's last words..🥺
There are so many details in the dialogue of the movies that I never realized are true to the lore
6:05 when Aragorn left, a chance for Denethor to show his quality!
Dunno why that image of Elrond and little Aragorn with the book hits me so hard, especially knowing what that child will have to face one day.
This channel is great! Showed up in my recommendations and now i cant stop watching. Thx for the great job!
Fantastic work! Thank you!
This gets me so excited... Gonna go re-watch the extended cuts again haha
if you really want to understand the lore you need to read the books, the movies just scratch the surface, extended cut or not.
They could do a entire trilogy just on Aragon!
There's so much lore and I want to see more movies, but not from Hollyweird, where they can't help screwing it up somehow.
Agreed. But only with Viggo playing him.
how do u tag netflix
yo i get goosebump. i think your wish will come true
They should when Viggo was younger!
Each actor was perfect choosen f the role; can imagine Viggo being Legolas or Blanchett playing Arwin etc
Viggos portrayal of Aragon will 4eva be immortalised in cinematic history,he (like rhe rest of the central characters) was simply fabulous
This is a really cool channel. I've enjoyed every video so far. Feels like actual history which is disconcerting.
My fiance and I watched RoTK extended edition the other night and I was telling her all about the contextual meanings of different scenes which I learned from this channel lol. I also explained to her who Glorfindel was and how badass he is despite not being in the film, etc etc.
I was immediately chastised for being a giant nerd and that this is just a story and doesn't really exist.... I must say, despite her consternation, I did not feel foolish and I chastised her back in equal measure.
there's a REASON these stories have endured for 70 years... known and loved by three generations...
Hearing all of this just makes me wish so bad we get a film about Aragorn's life before Lord of the Rings, especially the stuff involving Gondor, the reason because of Denethor. Thinking that he was being second to, in his eyes, some Ranger from the North by his father, would further add some dimension when he proclaims how he won't bow to Aragorn in Return of the King.
Dang that scene at 10:38 got even more emotional than it was now knowing the context
Skip to Elrond’s “Dad talk” 3:51
Skip to Elrond’s second “Dad talk” 8:25
One detail I love is that technically Aragorn isn't supposed to have a beard (I believe it's due to his elvish ancestory, possibly mentioned in unfinished tales, though I'm happy to be corrected) but the whole fandom while generally fascinated with accuracy just quietly ignores that 😂
Nature of Middle-earth
That line from the movie makes a lot more sense. Love it!
Unlike other fictional universes, whenever you ask for the origin or the "why?" of any given character, place or happening in Middle Earth, you get a logical and complex answer. And not just a "Because....drama!".
Like in this instance we learn that the deep resentment Denethor has for Aragorn has a profound backstory and doesn't just serve as another plot obstacle. This to me is what makes Tolkien special and should be seen as textbook world building
Great explanation and visual effects. Congratulations and thanks!
How much more powerful is that scene from ROTK knowing those were his mother's dying words? That changes the entire emotion of the scene.
The scene with Elrond passing the sword t Aragon in the tent(t take the dimolt pass) is 1 of my favourite speeches in the whole trilogy, along with Sams *theres some good in this world';* an *'l cant carry it for you but I can carry you';* speech
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Really enjoyed this video. Thanks for your hard work in putting it together.
Aragons backstory is most intriguing, he goes by numerous names which have definitions t the purpose he must fullfil at that given time an is integrable t the success /survivability of humanity
great video , as a lord of the rings nerd I love your channel :)
Thanks! I'm glad you are enjoying the channel!
I am shocked with that detail about his mothers last words. Perfect moviemaking, perfect video!
Arwen visits her grandmother so often as if its the house down the road
Ty for these videos, Mr.Tolkien is a legend!
We need a game about Aragorn
Totally. I wish we got more Tolkien games on a regular basis.
An appreciation comment! ✨️
Among other things, I love that you "do voices." It gives your videos yet another layer of interesting immersion.
Elrond only letting Aragorn marry Arwen if he defeats Sauron and becomes king is one of the best carrot and the stick approaches ever. Elrond be like: "I really need this guy to step up and be a leader to help fix this Sauron thing. Wait, he's into my daughter...perfect!"
The way you described Aragorn wrecking havoc on Sauron’s efforts made him sound like Talion.
Damn that thing about his mum given up all her Hope (aka Aragorn) hit me deep.... I didn't even know the deeper meaning of that.
Aragon; a man of valor, a honorable man, a galiant (valiant) warrier, a leader f who wud reign f all 'seasons', a just king who lived /died f his ppl.
Truly deserves his place in mythological history
How I just discovered this channel... it’s amazing!
Glad you found it! Welcome to the channel! 😁
I’m going to have to rewatch the three films again after watching this channel. Great stuff!
Glad you are enjoying it! Thanks for watching/subscribing! Tomorrow’s video will cover Aragorn after LOTR!
In The Fellowship of the Ring book Aragorn did see the Hobbits come to Bree and slipped over the wall near the gate without anyone seeing him except only as a shadow, before going to The Prancing Pony where he famously meets the Hobbits.
Yooo Galadriel giving Aragorn drip. What a wingman.
I would love to see in your descriptions the notes for what the source materials are for your videos. Great stuff, keep up the good work!
6:25 Nice placement where Denethor is looking towards Boromir too! :D
Excellent work. I can't tell how many times I have read the series and all the related material. I might just break it out once again - if the pages hold together. I'll be watching your other videos. Thanks for this. :)
Thank you for putting this together.
Aragorn goes where he wants and almost everyone bros out with him. It would be wild to meet him and be like, “didn’t you fight in a war with my grandpa?” And him be like, “yeah man, your dad was just a kid. Crazy.” When he looks like a 30-40 something year old dude.
Omg after you played the scene where Elrond says "I gave my Hope to Numenor" and Aragorn responds "I keep none for myself" I had to pause the video to cry.
Perhaps someone else mentioned this, but it is not “the song of Luthien” The song is called “The Lay of Leithain” wich means release from bondage.
GREAT video! I have new found appreciation for the movies with all the background information now
lol imagine the conversation between Aragorn and Gollum for 900 miles
Yeah, a trilogy movies called Aragorn, would be something.
@@helenakrieger5880 The tales of Aragorn and Gollum lol
Pinky and the brain
Imagine to bear such a creature for 900 miles
So amazing.. recently came across your channel and it has brought back some amazing memories of a time when I lived and breathed all things Lord of the Rings.. Thank you for making and sharing.