We put this ABOMINATION to the TEST!

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  • @gameragodzilla
    @gameragodzilla 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +318

    Btw, as a Chinese person myself: Jian (剑) literally translates to sword but the main definition means double edged sword, whereas with dao (刀), which literally translates to knife, the main definition means single edged sword. That’s why the single edged sword in China is often called dadao (大刀), which literally translates to big (大) knife (刀).

    • @mandowarrior123
      @mandowarrior123 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      What are small double edged knives/daggers called?

    • @gameragodzilla
      @gameragodzilla 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

      @@mandowarrior123 Bishou (匕首), though I admit I never actually heard of the term before looking it up, so evidently it wasn't all that common compared to dao or jian.

    • @bigolbearthejammydodger6527
      @bigolbearthejammydodger6527 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      oh thats wonderful.. so a dao is literally a messer (german for knife), wonder if weird tax laws was the reason in china too.

    • @gameragodzilla
      @gameragodzilla 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      @@bigolbearthejammydodger6527 Not in China because dao is literally defined as being single edge where length isn't really a legal factor, whereas the messer, I believe, is more defined by the handle construction. I'd say the more comparable legal situation to the messer and knife guilds would be how "short barrel rifles" are defined in the NFA as having stocks in modern USA, so if you have a sub-16" barrel AR-15 with just the buffer tube, it's legally a pistol (not regulated by the NFA) rather than a short-barrel rifle (regulated by the NFA). That's also why the whole pistol brace thing is in legal limbo right now.
      There's also this monstrosity to get around the AWB from 1994 to 2004: th-cam.com/video/CcNS4JdprWc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=4psFhgN-6J7Wkm_1

    • @bigolbearthejammydodger6527
      @bigolbearthejammydodger6527 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@gameragodzilla thanks for reply. interesting none the less.

  • @mobgabriel1767
    @mobgabriel1767 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +465

    Shad:"its against the laws of nature when it comes to swords"
    "Its a perversion against the natural order!"
    Also shad:currently wielding a longsword with a katana handle

    • @DanielMWJ
      @DanielMWJ 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Checks out.

    • @Fallenangel_85
      @Fallenangel_85 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      The funny thing is, it's already been done historically and used a lot.
      The Korean Sain-Geom has pretty much a Tsuba like guard and a double edge.

    • @JustArt-ro3lp
      @JustArt-ro3lp 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Fallenangel_85 ooh a Korean sword? Not gonna lie I’ve never heard of such weapon thank you for enlightening me.

    • @MikePhantom
      @MikePhantom 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      and promoting AI crap

    • @H20No
      @H20No 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Fallenangel_85looked at some pictures and the guard looks not much like a suba. Nor does the handle have a similar length to the sword in the video, it’s just an eastern double edged sword.

  • @RainMakeR_Workshop
    @RainMakeR_Workshop 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +609

    I still want you to put a Katana wrap on the Kriegsmesser with the uncomfortable grip.

    • @blacknblueblanket1627
      @blacknblueblanket1627 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      That is katana

    • @jordanezell5132
      @jordanezell5132 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Agreed

    • @makisonoda7925
      @makisonoda7925 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      A Katana is not double edged. It never will be, never can be . Putting a Katana grip and Tsuba on a double edged long sword tang does not make it a Katana nor anything equivalent to it. What Tyranth made was an abomination as he said it was , it isn’t built to last. In fact the pin to hold the long sword tang in the Katana grip was achieved only by a metal pin and glue to keep the handle on the tang. Yes the “original “ sword looks interesting, it’s fiction. Functional or not, it’s fiction. And I honestly don’t like the way a double edged blade looks with a Tsuba ( Japanese Sword guard) , and a Japanese Sword hilt looks. But that’s my personal opinion. It doesn’t matter what my opinion is. If it works, it works.

    • @DanielMWJ
      @DanielMWJ 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +48

      ​​@@makisonoda7925But it's literally not fiction? It's a real thing he made. It's certainly *ahistorical*.
      And Kriegsmessers aren't double-edged if you're talking about that.

    • @Likexner
      @Likexner 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      @@makisonoda7925 What are you talking about? Are you sure you posted this comment in the right thread?

  • @VegetaLF7
    @VegetaLF7 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +257

    I think one of my favorite parts about how things have evolved since Nate and Tyranth joined the team is just how much the three of you guys bicker with each other. It genuinely feels like a group of friends goofing off and I love it.

    • @jeroenceulemans3715
      @jeroenceulemans3715 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Yeah! Their chemistry is fantastic and it makes the vids so fun!

    • @TheSteam02
      @TheSteam02 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Often times, channels that introduce new members tend to fall off quickly. Not with this channel. I genuinely believe that the content has massively improved due to the inclusion of Nate and Tyranth.

    • @benjamincoulter5237
      @benjamincoulter5237 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Their friend group chemistry reminds me of the top gear chemistry

    • @LelouchVee
      @LelouchVee 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Yeah, the channel has this 'Top Gear with swords' vibe, in a good way

  • @robertjensen1438
    @robertjensen1438 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +264

    I was confident I could win the duel until my opponent swung his sword at my ankles.
    Alas, I was de-feeted.

    • @michaelcamu625
      @michaelcamu625 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      That was terrible 😂

    • @philtkaswahl2124
      @philtkaswahl2124 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      As a soon-to-be-father, that's going into my future dad joke arsenal.

    • @robertjensen1438
      @robertjensen1438 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      @@philtkaswahl2124 Congratulations on the future little one.

    • @philtkaswahl2124
      @philtkaswahl2124 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@robertjensen1438 Thank you.

    • @Giosuke_Giogashikata
      @Giosuke_Giogashikata 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Excellence at its finest, my friend

  • @richard_n
    @richard_n 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +184

    I just have to say that I've really enjoyed this series on swapping out parts of swords. It's been highly educational.

    • @gameragodzilla
      @gameragodzilla 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I can imagine if guns weren't invented, there'd be Bubba Swordsmiths doing this kind of stuff like Bubba Gunsmiths already do now with guns (alongside Bubba's Pakistani cousin Ali Bubba if you look at some of the weird shit from Khyber Pass. Lotta AR/AK hybrids there).

    • @makisonoda7925
      @makisonoda7925 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah , it educational. But there’s a reason why European and Asian sword parts were not intermixed with each other. They aren’t designed to work in tandem. Although it looks interesting. Maybe it could work, maybe it does. I just prefer to keep my swords Authentic and original to the ethnic background it was made in.

    • @gameragodzilla
      @gameragodzilla 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@makisonoda7925 Well yeah, obviously there will be cultural differences as to why certain designs and styles came up. One thing I find fascinating is the Americans developed quick draw techniques for handguns for the same reason the Japanese developed iaijutsu. Despite the two being very different cultures, they both came up with very similar concepts for very similar reasons, to the point where there's a lot of cross-pollination between Westerns and Jidaigeki movies. That's why I always wonder if the Europeans had their own quickdraw techniques. I'd figure if two very different cultures came up with the same thing for the same reasons, then the Europeans also should've done it for their swords.
      As it stands, the main reason why the katana is still my favorite sword despite me thinking the longsword is better once the swords are already drawn (kenjutsu in Japanese swordsmanship) is the katana is much more developed for draw techniques, and as an American (who lives in Texas, no less), I very much place a high degree of importance on quick draw, both for practical reasons and because it's really cool.
      Still, there probably could be ways to combine the two, much like how there are some professionally done hybrids of the AK/AR. The Sig 556 is a gun that's very much based mechnically on the AK, but incorporates a lot of AR ergonomics.

    • @cmaslan
      @cmaslan 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Synthetic swordology

  • @aliesterus1.023
    @aliesterus1.023 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +71

    This video entertains me so much because Nate is usually the most positive of you three, but here Nate is spouting the most vitriol and Shad and Tyrinth are just a couple of kids having fun.

  • @popularopinion1
    @popularopinion1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Watching the balance of revulsion and admiration in the boys is heartwarming.
    Also, they should commission a purpose made version of the longtana, so it doesn't have the brass pin/epoxy issue

  • @Mikael_Ore
    @Mikael_Ore 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    Yup, very supportive of this project, hope you guys make it and have fun!

  • @Totsy30
    @Totsy30 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +64

    Shad's face at 25:04 suggests to me we might see a perfected abomination in the future. Katana hilt, longsword crossguard, and that same blade. I doubt Tyranth would be thrilled about it though lol
    Truly the merging of best attributes.

    • @josephjoestar953
      @josephjoestar953 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Maybe even a pommel ( if they even can put a pommel on a katana hilt )

    • @jamoecw
      @jamoecw 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@josephjoestar953 the longer handle acts as the pommel, as the extra length of handle adds the weight a pommel does.

    • @WJS774
      @WJS774 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@jamoecw The extra length of the handle in no way adds the same weight as a pommel. It's only made of wood, it is _far_ lighter than a pommel.

    • @jamoecw
      @jamoecw 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@WJS774 depends on the handle, the tang, and the weight of the sword. the sword in the video weighed as much as a sword of comparable length with a pommel. maybe the original sword was much heavier despite being thinner, or maybe the weight of the pommel it had weighed less than you think.

    • @WJS774
      @WJS774 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@jamoecw Are you for real? You think that the overall weight is what the pommel is about? The total weight of the sword means _nothing._ The pommel is to control the point of balance. And it makes a big difference whether you want to admit it or not.

  • @illuminous7937
    @illuminous7937 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +106

    Heyya Shad, would love to see a video where you debunk whether fighting with your Sheath/Scabbard as a secondary weapon is worthwhile in combat (To block incoming blows ect in your off hand)
    Excellent content as always

    • @dantegallardo1974
      @dantegallardo1974 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      That's so cool I want to see that

    • @zsDUGGZ
      @zsDUGGZ 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      That'd be fun to watch. hope Shad and the crew see this.

    • @jerryandersson4873
      @jerryandersson4873 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yeah, do not need to use a real sheet.
      I am sure they can make something of wood.
      Dunno how acessable/cheap wood is in Australia tho.
      I do hope they go to building material stores and not hobby stores.
      Are there junkyard around for scrap metal stuff?
      Over here we have recycling centers here and there, wich can have some amazing stuff, and if you get friendly with the owner/workers and perhaps throw in some compensation, I would imagine load of useful fun stuff could turn up over time, both wood and metal.
      I miss being able to work with metals and Mills and stuff.

    • @MylesKillis
      @MylesKillis 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Um so a dual wielding good?

    • @mrkiky
      @mrkiky 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Unless it's a metal scabbard, I don't see it. Scabbards were usually wood, lined with fur and covered in leather and obviously hollow on the inside. The wood is very thin such that you might break it if you sit on it accidentally, so I don't see it doing a good job.

  • @racoondraws6045
    @racoondraws6045 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    I still believe that, this sword in particular it's not an abomination, it actually resembles a little bit to a Japanese ancient sword called tsurugi, this swords were actually double edged and iirc, were inspired by Chinese jian, so if you ask me...I'd say with a little tweaking on the hilt (like making it more centered) would make a good or at least decent sword design!

  • @tposingukiki
    @tposingukiki 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +137

    Question: what sword would be the closest one to being called “The Throngler”?

    • @m0-m0597
      @m0-m0597 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      idk but I know about the Shlongler

    • @5peciesunkn0wn
      @5peciesunkn0wn 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Whipsword.

    • @tposingukiki
      @tposingukiki 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @@5peciesunkn0wn I was thinking more of an… overly dramatic Flamberge

    • @eliaspanayi3465
      @eliaspanayi3465 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@tposingukiki it's also really flexible so when you shake it it makes the laminated 'fwubwuwubwbwbwb" noise as it bends

    • @മദ്യപാനം
      @മദ്യപാനം 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Probably some sort of spiked khopesh

  • @Joyful_Rob
    @Joyful_Rob 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    The dynamic of the three of you discussing your opinions is the best part of this channel. 😁

  • @aced4fun
    @aced4fun 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    The Shadoversity intro is still awesome and one of the few intros persisting on modern TH-cam
    I wouldn’t change a thing :D

  • @jackson01357
    @jackson01357 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I love watching Nate be so peeved that he likes it. That's a rare thing, from what I have seen - to see him be so bothered that he likes something weird that he made, or at least helped make. I haven't watched that video yet.
    It brings me joy 😂

  • @IamHattman
    @IamHattman 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    If you're going to try and make a more specific fusion of the Katana and Longsword, I'd suggest checking out the Ask Seki Sensi video where he actually tries some things with a trainer longsword. Just for the feedback from the Katana side of things.
    Off the top of my head, I would suggest trying to machine a mix between the cross guard and a tsuba, likely with a single quillion along the 'true' edge, a rounded central section in the style of a tsuba, but with a notch to accomidate moving to thumb-grip. I think that manages to adjust the guard for the benefits both camps have prefered while also addressing some of potential problems.

  • @BellhenderOfficial
    @BellhenderOfficial 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Man I love this new content here. Every video done this year has been PLATINUM! Keep doing guys. You are the best

  • @asahearts1
    @asahearts1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +47

    One hand on a 2 hander gives that extra reach when you need it. Plus it frees up the other hand for grapple, pocket sand, whatever 😂
    Incidentally, the jian is typically used with mostly one hand 😂

    • @rohdri
      @rohdri 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The typical jian also has both a shorter hilt and blade, and is also lighter by a bit. .7-.9 kilos instead of 1.2 kilos. Also, they typically had a pommel, and a different hand guard. Apples to banana/orange hybrid.

    • @DrahcirII
      @DrahcirII 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I'm now adding pocket sand to my arsenal XD

  • @Smooth_Lime_Nine
    @Smooth_Lime_Nine 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I love to think that at some point in the future Nate will have an 80’s style flash back and a faded shad will echo softly in his ears “feel the blade”
    😂

  • @drunkardhu6517
    @drunkardhu6517 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    3:08 Sir Shad, you got it right on the first try. Jian is what we call double edged blade in Chinese. And this particular design with 8 surfaces (or whatever the proper term) is an design from the Bronze Age. Hence the Jian is smaller because blade made of bronze cannot go too long or to large.

  • @dustingreene8602
    @dustingreene8602 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I'd suggest centering the blade and adding a bigger tsuba. It would deal with the foward balancing and add more hand protection.

  • @mansfieldtime
    @mansfieldtime 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +151

    The next abomination, orientate the cross guard to be perpendicular to the blade at 90*. It sounds like a horror project.

    • @alexmashkin863
      @alexmashkin863 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      You'll have to invent a completely new construction of the cross guard for that, or just cut quillons off and weld them back the other way

    • @allopez8563
      @allopez8563 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@alexmashkin863 This is not that uncommon, check sword collector forums for "Frankeswords" you might get many ideas.
      Back 8 to 10 years euro hilts were much easier to come by now it is harder.
      I guess dark wood armory and the Australian medieval fight club are still around, but independent forges are more expensive and cast steel crossguards for the Hanwei Tinker line are not made anymore.

    • @FlexxibleFree
      @FlexxibleFree 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Oh yeah!

    • @Notmyname1593
      @Notmyname1593 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Could be a helluva stabber.

    • @commode7x
      @commode7x 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      So, like what DemolitionRanch did?

  • @RanOutOfChannelNames
    @RanOutOfChannelNames 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +89

    Oh look, Shad made a Wrongsword.

    • @ilovejettrooper5922
      @ilovejettrooper5922 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      That has no right to sound as perfect as it does.

    • @mrkiky
      @mrkiky 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      @@ilovejettrooper5922 Even better when you realize that it sounds like a Japanese person trying to pronounce "longsword" 😂

  • @ethanwalsh5441
    @ethanwalsh5441 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Loved this video and I’m honestly with shad on this. I do wonder if this particular unique sword’s asymmetrical blade may offer different reverse edge cut feelings depending on which side you use in the reverse. I also fully agree with building a sword with a katana styled handle built into a longsword blade profile like this.

  • @jjthejetplane8965
    @jjthejetplane8965 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I gotta say, the group dynamic is great with you guys. You all seem like fantastic people.

  • @FortuneFavoursTheBold
    @FortuneFavoursTheBold 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Shad is getting better at this, which is a testament of how much one can improve by actually using swords and reflecting on the usage afterwards.
    I have cut with katana with back-edge techniques like zwerchau and schielhau by temporarily reversing the blade and holding down on the grip while placing the thumb on the grip instead of thumbing the flat of the blade. It works. Slightly awkward but Shad is correct here that on a well balanced nimble sword like many longswords, temporarily having 1 inch point of balance further away may help the cut gain more momentum thus letting the mass of the sword doing more work for you. When you are done with the cut, you immediately hold back onto the the part just below the guard to gain more control. It works with a tip heavy sword like katana, it definitely works with a nimbler blade like the longsword blade (more profile taper and more distal taper).

  • @williamr.s.5693
    @williamr.s.5693 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    I’ve noticed you often forget to change the tags from the previous video, maybe double check it next time ;)
    #anime #boomerang
    Anyways really cool testing on the longtana! Or you could call it the abomitana… or abomisword… or abomina…

  • @Kraleck
    @Kraleck 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    It seems to me that the wielder's affinity for strength, speed, defense, or balance pairs better with the handle than the blade. The tsuka of a katana is advantageous in deft hands to allow more fluidity of motion than a hilt with a crossguard, allowing them to strike rapidly (much like Tyranth shows). A strong wielder would prefer the opposite, using a blade's crossguard with a strong grip to brace against an attack then following up with leverage to affect an opponent's balance. Very good show of skills, gentlemen!

    • @Uncephalized
      @Uncephalized 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Nah, the type of guard has little if anything to do with how fast or fluidly you can move the sword. That has more to do with weight, balance, strength and skill of the user.

  • @TheMegaOnyx
    @TheMegaOnyx 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Stretched out gladius is what i think of when i see the sword...

  • @allopez8563
    @allopez8563 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The Hanwei Tinker swords came out around the early 2010s sometimes they snapped at the "shoulders" a possibility they were actually afraid.
    Although newer blades tend to break less.

  • @VoidDragon82
    @VoidDragon82 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    “It’s called a skill issue” ooooooo the burn clinic was busy that night!! 😂😂

  • @mga149
    @mga149 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Finding this sword very fascinating. I'd come up the same concept (a light, fast longsword blade with tachi tsuba) as the weapon for a DnD Monk Kensai character a few months ago. I thought it was just a completely rule of cool fantasy idea, but it seems to performs way better than I thought it would.
    I love how much Nate HATES how much he likes it.

  • @sim.frischh9781
    @sim.frischh9781 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Right now i have that image in my head of Shad, Tyranth and the rest of the crew going to a toy store and pretty much cleaning out their stack of pool noodles for sword testing.
    But the sword has something weirdly fascinating about it. I would like to see it with other kinds of tsuba designs, like more rectengular ones. Those exist, after all.
    This mixing of sword hilts and blades seems to be worthwhile from both a looks and an efficient use aspect.

  • @Maninawig
    @Maninawig 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Hey Shad and crew, now that Tyranth is making swords, could you guys make/discuss Antonio Banderas' sword in 13th Warrior? Grinding down longsword into a scimitar sounds like a horrible idea, but I would love to hear all the issues one might have with this

  • @JoyBoyAlter
    @JoyBoyAlter 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Every time I think I'm prepared for Shad's sudden increases in volume, but every time I get my ears blown out lmao. My day is never complete without it

  • @manoz6194
    @manoz6194 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +51

    I love Nate's character development in this lol

  • @Sp33LzZz
    @Sp33LzZz 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank you Tyranth, I will now play a D&D game as a barbarian who purposefully wields two handed swords in one hand and refuses to do otherwise. Brilliant idea!

  • @lukerogers9348
    @lukerogers9348 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I love how defending Nate is when arguing his dislikes for the sword, like he secretly likes it lol

  • @Hanlix14313
    @Hanlix14313 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love the content and would love to see more

  • @reeceemms1643
    @reeceemms1643 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Day something of asking for a video on the misconceptions of Medieval weddings. Such as the engagement (even though I know it was done by the parents), What they did to celebrate, and any interest information.
    I then what to know how these can be incorporated into fantasy stories and TTRPGs. Especially since I recently read my fantasy book where I do touch on marriage a bit.
    These being a Royal wedding set up, the mention of a marriage, and an actual interrupted wedding scene.
    Another thing I want to know is what actually happened to a princess of a kingdom if thar kingdom was taken. Because in my story the main character is forced into marrying the main bad guy. I don’t actually know how accurate that actually is to history though

  • @davidhim3527
    @davidhim3527 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just love Nate's reaction every time was a disappointed "God damnit, it did great..."

  • @kenwalker5384
    @kenwalker5384 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I think the real takeaway from these experiments is that there's a reason for there being so many styles, and sizes of swords is to cater to personal preference!

  • @riftalope
    @riftalope 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Damnit! I had JUST sat down and started the video, and Nate up 'n reads my mind!
    Took me a bit to stop the Twilight Zone music and giggling.
    Had to rewind.

  • @ankokuraven
    @ankokuraven 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    You have inspired me to try to make my own abomination.
    Funny enough, i want to use the same blade.

    • @rachdarastrix5251
      @rachdarastrix5251 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I've been "inspired" to years ago. Its just that when it comes to any form of trade my competitors have somehow managed to get it so that I have no chance of getting a foothold and beginning a profession 20 years before I was even born. So I have to but their products, rough it up a little then finish it with a file, and that way I can lie and say I forged it myself.

    • @allopez8563
      @allopez8563 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is not that uncommon, check sword collector forums for "Frankeswords" you might get many ideas.
      Back 8 to 10 years euro hilts were much easier to come by now it is harder.
      I guess dark wood armory and the Australian medieval fight club are still around, but independent forges are more expensive and cast steel crossguards for the Hanwei Tinker line are not made anymore.

  • @joycallender6086
    @joycallender6086 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you, gentlemen!

  • @dragortius9335
    @dragortius9335 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Really good video and it does make me wonder if the long tana and/or katanar (if that's the name) couldn't be upgraded FURTHER, hear me out
    Double bladed long sword blade: ookatana handle + POMMEL, and a Tsuba/cross guard HYBRID (Don't know if something like that already exists).
    Katana wraps + pins and try to incorporate the endurance of the longsword handle into the handle.
    Edit: ok, sorry, you guys talked about it at the end, more or less, so, YEAH, if you do this, oh boy, happy fan be happy and more fan.

  • @seanm.7584
    @seanm.7584 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    “Strong. Strength.” 😂😂😂 cracked me up man. 😂😂😂

  • @andreas_rr
    @andreas_rr 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    i think Lon(g)ken would be pretty fitting as a name. Long is obvious, "ken" basically means "sword" in japanese and is the go to designation when talking about double edged swords in Japan. Also the pronounciation is pretty smooth/neat imo. Idk if i'd write it with or without "g", but if it's with, i'd still keep it silent.

    • @Hei_Darkfire
      @Hei_Darkfire 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I like the Ken part for sword. But we need a new beginning. Something to mean long, but hopefully something that pairs good with the Ken part of the name.

    • @mrcheese5383
      @mrcheese5383 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Klong

    • @sakesaurus
      @sakesaurus 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If you write it with a g the aussies read it as lonjen. Which sucks, i like to avoid such stuf.
      Although the chinese read this (corresponding) hanzi through j, but that might be reading too much into things..

    • @andreas_rr
      @andreas_rr 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@GerdLPluu not bad actually 😂😂😂

    • @mandowarrior123
      @mandowarrior123 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      'Ken' literally means double edged sword in japanese, whereas '-tō' or katana means single edged (tō, katana, '-nata' or 'waki-' are all readings of 刀 character) possibly knife like in chinese.
      So ken is sword but katana are 'knives' in a sense.
      I like rongu sword myself.

  • @TheoryMaK15-255
    @TheoryMaK15-255 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Godspeed SHAD!!! ⚔🗡🤺🛡🔰🦾

  • @tmvega8167
    @tmvega8167 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    Kinda looks like a chinese sword

    • @lexmarovsky6667
      @lexmarovsky6667 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Why did these Asians dislike crossguards so much...

    • @lopezroilans.8384
      @lopezroilans.8384 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@lexmarovsky6667probably material issues, and/or design issues at the time

    • @gameragodzilla
      @gameragodzilla 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@lexmarovsky6667Not sure about Chinese swords, but I think the reason why Japanese swords had the small tsuba was so it’d get caught less on stuff during a speed draw (iaijutsu). I know when Seki Sensei tried out the longsword, it got caught on stuff a few times despite him praising the extra hand protection. As far as I know, there’s no equivalent to iaijutsu for European swords.
      Much the same way a lot of handguns modified for quick draw will have all their edges smoothed out for the sake of a faster and smoother draw. Sometimes they’d go so far as to remove the front sight entirely, making it far less accurate at long range but a much smoother draw since nothing would snag.

    • @1stCallipostle
      @1stCallipostle 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@gameragodzillaI feel like it probably wasn't a purposeful omission like you imply.
      I more imagine that once the "I don't wanna cut my own hand while stabbing" bit was figured out, they were satisfied and didn't think twice about it.
      Much the same way as the west never thinking "I should optimize a sword for quick drawing"
      Don't feel the need to change, and you probably won't.

    • @gameragodzilla
      @gameragodzilla 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@1stCallipostle Well there are still reasons why they went with some particular design, and even the Japanese did modify the nodachi and tachi into the eventual katanas in later periods when there were more sword carrying on foot and swordsmanship became more self defense oriented than battle.

  • @jierdareisa4313
    @jierdareisa4313 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love ALL Shadiversity videos!!!! ❤

  • @NickCombs
    @NickCombs 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    The longtana looks to be overall better when compared to the longsword. It's got a faster tip and better reach with the longer handle. Even longer when wielded one-handed (looking at you, Shad).
    The addition of a crossguard (but not a pommel, sorry Skal) would be nice, but given the other benefits of speed and reach I don't think your hand is at as much risk overall. So that detriment seems like more of a wash.

  • @ConnorSinclairCavin
    @ConnorSinclairCavin 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    “Clean but cu-ursed!” Sounds like the perfect line to have some npc that seems paranoid but is actually right in a d&d game to shout haha wish the recording of it wasnt over other lines lol

  • @itschoiboi
    @itschoiboi 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    For posterity, We need a build video with all the things you hate in a sword. Whether it be the balance is off, the handle being uncomfortable, or the shape of the blade itself, etc...

    • @5peciesunkn0wn
      @5peciesunkn0wn 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ah yes. The "Shadiversity Hateful Blade"

    • @itschoiboi
      @itschoiboi 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Excellent name 😂@@5peciesunkn0wn

  • @OmegaB3N
    @OmegaB3N 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Add the cross guard,
    MAKE THE KONGSWORD!!!!

  • @radimnechut519
    @radimnechut519 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Don't know. I really like the look and, from what you guys have said, the feel of both. The falchion kimitana looks like a more _reliable_ sword, in that it has the better cross-guard and a good balance. The langana looks fun and a bit like a _glass cannon_ without the better guard, but being superior in seemingly any other way.

  • @lordwarryl5712
    @lordwarryl5712 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don't even want to watch this video... But for you guys, I will support you in everything you guys do.... Even its unforgivable...

  • @MattWinkler1
    @MattWinkler1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Would love to see you guys wearing medieval helmets / gauntlets as protection against sword damage in the tests. It's what they're made for!

  • @adamwest8256
    @adamwest8256 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wish you could have been a guest on Administrative Results! They were testing english long bowes against armor.

  • @SukacitaYeremia
    @SukacitaYeremia 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Seems to me like this has been the toughest sword testing video to digest. I wonder if there can be any way to advance the discussion further and help me understand it better...

  • @eliwarner3434
    @eliwarner3434 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love the chemistry here it’s so funny😂

  • @Fallenangel_85
    @Fallenangel_85 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    It's actually not that unusual to have such a sword design, it's been done historically.
    The korean Sain-Geom is smaller, but it combines the double edge with a tsuba like guard.

  • @generalcellron2962
    @generalcellron2962 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love these videos just a thought for a name for it, Knight's Anatak (Katana backwards could also be used for the other sword maybe 🤔) and maybe tyranth should make a fusion of a Suba and a cross guard maybe 🤔🧐😁

  • @morrigankasa570
    @morrigankasa570 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Imagine a Khopesh Blade with a Crossguard Hilt?
    Imagine a Dane Axe with a Katana Hilt?
    Imagine a Halberd Head on a Hand and a Half Hilt?
    Finally, imagine a "Crow's Beak" with a One-Handed Haft?
    (Edit more ideas): A Basket Hilt on a Mace, A Spatha Hilt on a Claymore, A Mace Haft on a Spatha Blade, A Double-Edged Scimitar on a Rapier Hilt, A Scimitar Hilt on a Rapier Blade.

    • @GranWarlorckEnmaryu
      @GranWarlorckEnmaryu 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @Morrigankasa570 or a Gladiushilt/guard with a khopesh blade

    • @1stCallipostle
      @1stCallipostle 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I feel like that last one exists to some degree.
      A comically long Katana handle with a Dane axe head though... That would be a sight

    • @morrigankasa570
      @morrigankasa570 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@GranWarlorckEnmaryu That would be neat.

    • @morrigankasa570
      @morrigankasa570 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@1stCallipostle Yep, and what makes it even more interesting is it expands things beyond just swords made into "Abominations".
      Another idea I thought of after my first comment. Was a Spear Haft with a Kopis on the end. (Kopis is the Greek Version of a Khopesh).

  • @Whiterin
    @Whiterin 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It was hilarious watching Nate just be absolutely at a loss and disappointed every time it did so well. lol

  • @billysmith5409
    @billysmith5409 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The “Longtana” looks like something I would build on Calimascil. I want to hate but I can’t.

  • @CronostheStray
    @CronostheStray 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Let's call it "Hana"
    ..."Hana LongTana" 😂
    On a side note, what if the crossguard had the round part of the tsuba aswell merged together?

  • @EksaStelmere
    @EksaStelmere 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Once more, I'm gonna suggest Longutō (ロング刀) and Longuken (ロング剣) for the name. As with before, I'd personally go with the latter, but since it's TECHNICALLY using a Katana handle, the former might work even if it's double-edged.

    • @lildragon6415
      @lildragon6415 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ken makes more sense because it is double edged.

    • @EksaStelmere
      @EksaStelmere 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lildragon6415 Pretty much, yeah, but it's something of a meme, so doesn't matter too much.

  • @williampickett5875
    @williampickett5875 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks!

  • @FireCrack83
    @FireCrack83 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I Just wanted to Go to sleep. Now i have to watch a Video about one of shads weird sword dreams😅

  • @sunilpermaul7876
    @sunilpermaul7876 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I think this raises an overall question of, "What happens if you could add the optimal handle (for the user) to a blade?"

  • @Megabidoof83
    @Megabidoof83 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    If you're already making abominations, why not make a tsuba, that is a bit bigger then normal tsuba's, with openings so you can finger or thumb the blade but still retain the classic look of the katana hilt? (on a long sword or katana)

  • @TheCaniblcat
    @TheCaniblcat 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ~7:53 Dammit Shad, this was the perfect opportunity to say "You must unlearn what you have learned" 🐸

  • @gallendugall8913
    @gallendugall8913 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Might I offer a term to describe bladed weapons that are not historical, "stabulator"

    • @kingmasterlord
      @kingmasterlord 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      how does one stabulate?

    • @Sam-lf3hn
      @Sam-lf3hn 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What about a "hackulator" or a "sliceulator"

    • @manoz6194
      @manoz6194 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      How about McStabby?

  • @danjacobs6219
    @danjacobs6219 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Omg these guys were entertaining.

  • @brucerobertson7839
    @brucerobertson7839 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Katangsword? Katsword? Longswana? Great video, guys!

  • @Maxificent
    @Maxificent 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I cut well today!
    - ..... "today".
    It's still TODAY!
    😂

  • @TwitchInPenguinSuit
    @TwitchInPenguinSuit 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey Shad, just wanted you to know that TH-cam started recommending a lot of your older videos to me again!

  • @daniellegammon967
    @daniellegammon967 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    hey, I was one of the first ones to suggest Longtana in the first place, so I'm all for it lol

  • @RavenoseCNG
    @RavenoseCNG 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    do you guys have any chinese swords like jian (i know i have no real-right to ask cuse i not a donator) but would u reveiw on at some point or do you think its too much like a common long sword to not have that much difference

  • @rendarcrow
    @rendarcrow 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love it and want one properly made but with my tweak and a cross guard. you must perfect this monster
    shad is absolutely right about the profile of weight

  • @decay79
    @decay79 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Am loving the look of the Longtana.. That it performs as well as it does is somewhat of a surprise, but a pleasant one..

  • @thekeeperofthe9th174
    @thekeeperofthe9th174 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A new anime has a Shabard in it. Its called Ranga Crimson

  • @T.BG822
    @T.BG822 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It's always a good call to disbelieve Shad when he claims something is against the natural order. Good job, assistants.
    The extra leverage and general commentary has me thinking these guys should commission a blade with Witcher proportions, see what they think of a short, wide blade and a long handle.

  • @Zbigniew_Nowak
    @Zbigniew_Nowak 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Connect the tsuba to the crossguard. ;)

  • @JanterCyrano
    @JanterCyrano 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    13:34 the instant regret of success....

  • @some_Russian_dude
    @some_Russian_dude 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Have you guys done a review of the shashka yet? Would be nice to see your thoughts on it.

  • @s.owl9
    @s.owl9 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Now I wanna see a tsuba crossguard hybrid. ALL THE PROTECTION! 😈

  • @JT--XL365
    @JT--XL365 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    where can i get one of these at, i love it lol

  • @nathancox7412
    @nathancox7412 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Second time now. This reminds me and looks the way a lightsaber is being portrayed being used. Sort that handle out a little better and its a weapon that acts a lot like the way light sabers are portrayed. This is a Proto Saber.

    • @nathancox7412
      @nathancox7412 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'd love to see you guys get someone on your channel that trains with those SW combat sabers and get one of them to give it ago. the scifi nerd in me need to see this revisited.

  • @yofu3048
    @yofu3048 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    “You cut well today Nate”
    Nate: “but it’s still today!”

  • @mrt5069
    @mrt5069 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I feel like i can listen to Shads arguing about swords for hours.

  • @paulrichardspencer
    @paulrichardspencer 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I've had a random thought on the tatami mat thing....
    Had you considered using a hemp mat of similar construction, it would provide a very similar cutting resistance whilst being considerably cheaper and putting it in an affordable price bracket.
    Hope that helps in some small way. 😊

  • @scottybreuer
    @scottybreuer 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Now take inspiration from the rapier. Combine the tsuba and the crossguard onto a glorious, all-in-one, hand protector.

  • @ConnorSinclairCavin
    @ConnorSinclairCavin 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Should have How To Drink make a cocktail for the Longtana haha, perhaps a like… mead and sake type thing? 🤔

  • @Nineball2501
    @Nineball2501 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Angry Shad... surprised the stick didn't come out.

  • @ultrajn
    @ultrajn 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I want to see two handed saex and how its going cut and handle.

  • @erikhanseisenheber
    @erikhanseisenheber 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I actually just finished watching the reverse-edge katana video and was thinking about the double-edge katana idea that was mentioned

  • @SamGoesHam7
    @SamGoesHam7 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    “Skill issue” 🤣🤣🤣