I love this video. As a bike mechanic, this makes so much sense to me. Even the L Twoo groupsets are close to 1000.00 US. I'm not sure that the majority of riders need that much tech.
What about LTwoo GR7? That was a 1x10 mechanical cheap one that nobody really pays attention to, but I keep hearing good things about the "older" simpler generations of LTwoo.
This groupset is actually compatible with Shimano rear derailleurs. It uses the same cable pull as the mountain bikes Deore and Deore XT 10s rear derailleurs wich means you can run up to a 50T cassette on the back with a 29T on the front, making it the widest range of gear in the market !
Correct. That's the reason I was thinking about dumping my GRX 600 groupset and switching to Sword. Luckily, I've found another solution. I got myself an Ingrid read derailleur. You can get it in a Shimano-Road compatible version and run up to 52t cassettes. It wasn't cheap, but that way I was able to keep my hydraulic Shigura braking system.
I agree. I was a Cat 2 and Expert Mtb racer snob who would only ride Superbe Pro, Super Record, Dura Ace, and XTR. For the last 6 years both my road and gravel bikes are 105. They haven't let me down, and I am riding about 5K miles a year.
Good episode. Guess what: I AM thinking of building fully mechanical, but on rim brakes, alloy rims, traditional long saddle, exposed cables, external headset, BSA BB. A custom titanium frame will make it buttery smooth timeless ride😉
You can mix groupset components Dave. Mircoshift levers can be mixed with shimano deore and it shifts without any issues. Please try growtac calipers. Trp are pretty weak and mushy. Growtac makes huuge difference
Got a steal on an OEM Tiagra groupset from an online retailer earlier this year. Also thought about getting the Microshift Sword groupset but at the price I paid, there was no comparison.
When it comes to new, complete bikes, at least the Polish Kross launches its 2nd generation entry-level gravels (Esker model) with Sword on board. But I suppose there might be more brands. I use Sword's predecessor, the Advent-X on my first-generation Kross Esker 2.0 MS. While I had some small issues with the bike at the beginning, when it comes to the Advent-X, I can't say a bad word about it. I never used hydraulic brakes, hence I don't have a comparison. But this makes me happier because mechanical brakes work completely fine for me in the lowlands, where I live and ride. I'm not sure, though, if I would like them in the mountains.
I had AdventX on my first Triban gravel bike, can't really say a bad word. My issue was that I do a lot of bikepacking and the external routing of the gear cable was just quite annoying when mounting bags on the handlebar, so I went with Sensah SRX for the last 2 years and I'm low key tempted to switch "back" to Sword for how cheap the cassettes and chains are. I miss the buttons/paddles, cause with Sensah you shift using the brake lever and it never feels quite right, you're always scared that you'll change gear while descending and fethering the brakes.
AXS is very nice because you can mix and match lots of stuff, unlike mechanical with their different pull ratios etc. it makes gravel mullet builds very approachable, and it makes each of the components upgradeable almost individually. Aside from that, I think mechanical is probably the easiest option, but i am looking forward to not having to deal with shift cables again.
Very excited about the Sword 10-speed groupset (they also released Sword Black, which is 9-speed). BTW, I plan go for the JuinTech GT-F 4-piston hydro/mechanical calipers.
Fun fact: these shifters will work well enough with old sram 1:1 ratio and Shimano mtb 11 speed. I'm currently running it with a sram x7 RD since I had one lying around lol
A modern groupset on a frame with external routing is just pure bliss. Modern groupset have to be so good at shifting because that's the only way to make internally routed shift cables in modern frames work.
I have seen, Sword reviewed and have wondered about cost/performance particularly with reference to my Gravel bike that has a mostly Tiagra with GRX rear mech for range and clutch, and a Sora front as the last remaining part of the bikes original set up, I’m likely to be significantly heavier rider and really found cable disks even the twin pots like you had just inadequate. Hence the upgrade few years back, and the rear mech followed about a years ago.
Just ordered the Sword groupset. The lower gears, price than GRX and the all mechanical sold me. I Prefer my Juin Tech GT cable actuated hydraulic brakes over my Sram rival, Shimano Deore hydraulic brakes and the Spyres on my other bikes.
The lowest gears on the 2x on 650x48 is 1.6 meters of development. That is good. I am using the 1x at 1.8 meters of development since I dont go bikepacking.
SRAM has brought us the 9t cassette via the Microspline hub, the UDH, and more (AXS, crappy brakes). But I'm a cheap bastid so 10s Microshift is my bridge from 2x8 into the modern world. Loving the Advent X on my gravel bike, and considering turning a cheap FS bike into a Sword monster gravelier.
All the fancy electronic stuff is fine and understandable for pro racers - but your average cyclist doesn't actually require it. My next winter bike will be either alloy or steel, with mechanical groupset & disc brakes....
Your average cyclist doesn’t require reliable consistent shifting? Having both mechanical and electronic shifting bikes I know which I prefer. PS: Electronic shifting bike is from 2018 and still shifts smoothly every time without need for recalibration
Lol....Everytime someone makes vid about mechanical shifting someone comes out and says how awesome it is....I have a bunch of bikes and love sram so have both...but my etap road bike from 2018 is smooth like butter, my mechanical sram red that is tuned on both roadie and tt can't compare. I have raced electronic sram xc gravel and road, sorry but mechanical is old school Why even bother making new mechanical groupset...waste
@@jan2000nl Reliable and consistent shifting is already perfectly fine with mechanical shifting. And guess what? It's more relivable than electronics by any engineering measurement.
I've never been a fan of Shimano's "floppy" (as Dave called it) brifters, which require moving the entire brake lever inwards for shifting. Admittedly clever but still strange.
I plan to use the 2x group set for my bike build because I want mechanical brakes. However, I started to wonder if I could actually go with a rim brake group set and if that would open up my options as well. I would think so since they are both cable systems?
Imo this groupset 2x 1x is best for upgrading old rim brake bikes to modernish standards. If I was building any sort of modern frame, GRX would be the way to go
I do like the affordable value Microshift is bringing to the market, and I particularly like this #BYOB - 'bring your own brakes' option. It's great for retro fits and new builds alike. Perhaps one day an innovative company will produce the holy Grail of mechanical brifters - a modular design that permits swapping out a subassembly for the manufacturers cable pull of choice. On the topic of mechanical disc brakes, to echo other viewers comments, it would be great to get your opinion of hybrid hydraulic/mechanical offerings by TRP and others, as well as the more top shelf spendy mechanical products by Growtac and Paul Components. Oh yeah, the repaint on the Fairlight is just mint. 😍👍🏼👏🏼🙌🏼
after trying it, I'd rather make a hacked R7000 rim brake 105 levers with the GRX 11 speed derailleurs, cassette, chain, and chainwheel. Pull ratio of Shimano 11 speed is the same on GRX and 105. I like what Microshift is doing, but I don't like the small button to up shift and the plastic brake levers. Compression-less brake housing helps make mechanical disc brakes more responsive and bit better, but the force needed to actuate is still more than hydro.
never liked the top shiftbutton on Microshift(ers). To small and to high. What i really do like though is the big range on the Cassett. 11-38 is awesome for a 10speed roadbike in hilly regions. For gravel i want 1by with 11 or better 12speed.
I use a campy record mechanical group set! Got a good deal from the UK. But some of these new frames are not set up for the mechanical derailers. It took so much work talking to people online. Unbelievable bike companies don't have a kit for this. They think everyone wants wireless with all those batteries! Disc brakes yes I see now they are very nice. No batteries on any of my bikes!!!!
It most certainly is, it is an open secret. It has 10speed Dyna sis cable pull (so mtb). So any cassette below 38 will do and for above slap in a deore
Always enjoy the content. I can appreciate those who do not or cannot step up to electronic shifting. I can never go back to my mechanical shifting or cable actuated brakes. Looks like a set of Enve G23 wheels on the bike 🤑🤑👊🏻
400£ + 2 brake calipers + chain vs 600£ GRX400 with hydraulic disc brakes. I know where I would put my money. The resale value let alone ... But if you want to buy an entry level bike with microshift? Go for it! It works.
No it doesn't. Cables stretch and break. It's also harder to install and replace. It works slower in the moment. On offroad it takes away from focus on the ride and breaking. And the industry is stepping away from it, so it will be harder to find bikes and parts that are compatable. Also the price of mechanical will go up because it will become more rare to find. Just like old cars.Electric is almost the same price as mechanic, so there's absolutely no reason to go mechanic. Ever since I've gone to electric, I never wanted to ride my mechanic bikes anymore. And I had 100 times less problems with the groupsets than back when I had mechanical. Also from an investment standpoint, it's a horrible choice to go mechanical now. You won't be able to sell your bike later. It's like the difference between buying a house, and renting one.
@@YannickLB Eh, from an investment standpoint, electronic is not very good IMO. You can always fix mechanical stuff, if electronics die, off into the bin. I'd rather buy a used bike with mechanical groupset than electronic.
Seen plenty of rides ruined lately by flat batteries or derailleurs going into crash mode. Ok, you could cite operator error as the cause, but I'm always pretty confident my mechanical won't let me down mid ride, assuming it's well maintained. To provide some balance, though, I did once experience a right mechanical shifter die completely very early into a ride, as the internal spring had broken. In fairness though it was 6 years old and had done many thousands of miles, so didn't owe me anything. Didn't appreciate the limping ride of shame home though, but the LBS fixed it, and it still works to this very day 😀!
@@YannickLB As a full time bike mechanic stand point of view also owned and ridden in record just over 30 bikes in experience over 14yrs, if you are experienced in servicing bicycles, No mechanic groupset will trip you up or betray the rider, only electrical will. I recently owned my first SRAM AXS bike, it does add more fun to ride with, but None of a electrical groupset from any brands will ever can replace a trusty, well maintained, mechanical groupset. By far at the moment, SRAM Apex mechaincal 12 speed is the best one in performance and respondent of shifting in my opinion, which is available on the market. I see the industry is pushing consumer to buy those shorter lifetime electrical products, which will push their product selling cycle rather then truly want to offer long lasting, repairable, lower value mechaincal groupset.
@@chanchingchung I ride 20.000 km per year off-road. I race, I do bikepacking trips, I go hard on the single tracks etc. None of my electronic groupsets (sram axs and xtr di2) have ever failed me, or broke. Never had a battery run out of charge. I've ridden roadbikes before that with mechanical shifting. All of them started to have bad shifting and other mechanical problems a couple times per year. I wasn't even doing crazy stuff with those bikes.
The downfall of this groupset is that it is not cheap enough compared to grx. So get it along with a bike or use it for a cheap mullet (it has shimano mtb 10spd, Dyna sis, cable pull as xle and as advent-x).
Sounded good until you said it's not compatible with Shimano or SRAM and this seems like a very poor decision. As for the cost -- Shimano and SRAM OEM groupsets (and Campy for that matter) are overpriced unless purchased with a bike. They could've wedged into the market with a cheaper, quality compatible kit so folks could upgrade their mechanical group sets piecemeal. IMO you're better off with a 105 mechanical group set.
Mechanical groupsets are fine and I have never had any problems with them. My only issue and a personal one at that is I like to know what rear gear I'm in. I know I should rely on memory and looking down doesn't work for me. Being able to see it on the head unit works for me, but this can only happen with an electronic group set. If I could have a top tier mechanical groupset which I could easily tell what rear gear I'm in, I'd go for it. I'm also not convinced disc brakes are an overwhelming must have.
Hang on, no way cable or cable/hydro is better than a "well set up" rim brake with alloy rims. Absolutely not. I've used hydro discs since the mid/late 80's and couldn't believe how rubbish cable disc were the first time i rode them, worse than carbon rims and rim calipers in my opinion.
I love this video. As a bike mechanic, this makes so much sense to me. Even the L Twoo groupsets are close to 1000.00 US. I'm not sure that the majority of riders need that much tech.
What about LTwoo GR7? That was a 1x10 mechanical cheap one that nobody really pays attention to, but I keep hearing good things about the "older" simpler generations of LTwoo.
This groupset is actually compatible with Shimano rear derailleurs. It uses the same cable pull as the mountain bikes Deore and Deore XT 10s rear derailleurs wich means you can run up to a 50T cassette on the back with a 29T on the front, making it the widest range of gear in the market !
Correct. That's the reason I was thinking about dumping my GRX 600 groupset and switching to Sword.
Luckily, I've found another solution. I got myself an Ingrid read derailleur. You can get it in a Shimano-Road compatible version and run up to 52t cassettes. It wasn't cheap, but that way I was able to keep my hydraulic Shigura braking system.
@@markk527 At 600 - 650 Euros, that Ingrid rear derailleur is more expensive than the whole Sword group put together. Too right it's "not cheap!"
In terms of range, think Shimano CUES offers a 2x crank with a 22T?
Which Shimano 10spd Deore XT rear derailleur can easily handle a 50T cassette?
The long cage one. You can check how big the cassette can be for each derailleur on the shimano website
Good old Shimano 105 mechanical for me. Can't go wrong
I agree. I was a Cat 2 and Expert Mtb racer snob who would only ride Superbe Pro, Super Record, Dura Ace, and XTR. For the last 6 years both my road and gravel bikes are 105. They haven't let me down, and I am riding about 5K miles a year.
TRP also sells a cable-pulled hydraulic caliper that while a bit more expensive, does offer a better feel at the lever.
Same for Juin Tech, which offer a lot of the same quality at half the price of TRP.
I am running mechanical Growtacs on my gravel bike and Paul's Klampers on my Krampus bikepacker. They are both powerful stoppers and low maintenance.
@@keithhunter3910 I actually have Klampers on my "all road" bike since they offer a caliper with a cable-pull set up for Campy levers.
Good episode. Guess what: I AM thinking of building fully mechanical, but on rim brakes, alloy rims, traditional long saddle, exposed cables, external headset, BSA BB. A custom titanium frame will make it buttery smooth timeless ride😉
Sounds great!
You can mix groupset components Dave. Mircoshift levers can be mixed with shimano deore and it shifts without any issues.
Please try growtac calipers. Trp are pretty weak and mushy. Growtac makes huuge difference
I mostly watch David Arthur's review for the joy of him saying 'sprocket' instead of 'cog'. Grumpy old man feature unlocked!
Got a steal on an OEM Tiagra groupset from an online retailer earlier this year. Also thought about getting the Microshift Sword groupset but at the price I paid, there was no comparison.
When it comes to new, complete bikes, at least the Polish Kross launches its 2nd generation entry-level gravels (Esker model) with Sword on board. But I suppose there might be more brands. I use Sword's predecessor, the Advent-X on my first-generation Kross Esker 2.0 MS. While I had some small issues with the bike at the beginning, when it comes to the Advent-X, I can't say a bad word about it. I never used hydraulic brakes, hence I don't have a comparison. But this makes me happier because mechanical brakes work completely fine for me in the lowlands, where I live and ride. I'm not sure, though, if I would like them in the mountains.
I had AdventX on my first Triban gravel bike, can't really say a bad word. My issue was that I do a lot of bikepacking and the external routing of the gear cable was just quite annoying when mounting bags on the handlebar, so I went with Sensah SRX for the last 2 years and I'm low key tempted to switch "back" to Sword for how cheap the cassettes and chains are. I miss the buttons/paddles, cause with Sensah you shift using the brake lever and it never feels quite right, you're always scared that you'll change gear while descending and fethering the brakes.
Stick to rim brakes in esp. in the mountains! Disc brakes tend to fail suddenly and unexpectedly at once.
AXS is very nice because you can mix and match lots of stuff, unlike mechanical with their different pull ratios etc. it makes gravel mullet builds very approachable, and it makes each of the components upgradeable almost individually. Aside from that, I think mechanical is probably the easiest option, but i am looking forward to not having to deal with shift cables again.
I run Apex mechanical with a GX rear derailleur and 11-50 Sunrace cassette on my gravel bike. It works well.
@@briannyob7799 what freehub do you run? and what chain? thx
Would defo go for GRX over this. You absolutely cannot go wrong with Shimano mechanical groupsets, they're pretty much flawless now.
Agree, I would go for grx rx400, or tiagra disc over this. Tiagra disc are around $400-500
@@laillosidgar But you're stuck with hydraulic brakes which are not necessary on road...
@@jonathangreen7111 i've been using mechanical disc on my road bike for 3 years. And I dislike it. Rather have hydraulic or rim brake
@@jonathangreen7111Hydraulic brakes may not be necessary but they are way better.
I’m building my bike with Sword over GRX because I don’t want hydraulic brakes.
I got mechanical GRX on both of my bikes and I love it
KROSS Esker 2.0 is equipped with Sword 1x and it’s great entry level gravel bike from Poland.
Very excited about the Sword 10-speed groupset (they also released Sword Black, which is 9-speed). BTW, I plan go for the JuinTech GT-F 4-piston hydro/mechanical calipers.
JuinTech GT-F 4 = 💯
I didn’t know about the JuinTech - looked them up - looks good!
If I ever would do a very long bikepackingtrip this is the groupset I would go to.
Fun fact: these shifters will work well enough with old sram 1:1 ratio and Shimano mtb 11 speed. I'm currently running it with a sram x7 RD since I had one lying around lol
A modern groupset on a frame with external routing is just pure bliss. Modern groupset have to be so good at shifting because that's the only way to make internally routed shift cables in modern frames work.
I have seen, Sword reviewed and have wondered about cost/performance particularly with reference to my Gravel bike that has a mostly Tiagra with GRX rear mech for range and clutch, and a Sora front as the last remaining part of the bikes original set up, I’m likely to be significantly heavier rider and really found cable disks even the twin pots like you had just inadequate.
Hence the upgrade few years back, and the rear mech followed about a years ago.
Are there any online retailers in the UK? Groupset is nowhere to be seen. Just a few parts here and there.
Got distracted by the gorgeous frame ❤
The TRP HyRd are a great alternative to the spires
Distance bike, the retail brand of Cycle Victoire are selling bikes with microshift Sword!
12:54 re: Cable Pull. What about the hack that Jeff at PLP found-out with the and Shimano Cues derailleurs?
Fun fact: the Sword shifters work with the new Shimano Cues 10 speed group set. But you will not hear this from Shimano - for obvious reasons…
Just ordered the Sword groupset. The lower gears, price than GRX and the all mechanical sold me. I Prefer my Juin Tech GT cable actuated hydraulic brakes over my Sram rival, Shimano Deore hydraulic brakes and the Spyres on my other bikes.
The lowest gears on the 2x on 650x48 is 1.6 meters of development. That is good.
I am using the 1x at 1.8 meters of development since I dont go bikepacking.
SRAM has brought us the 9t cassette via the Microspline hub, the UDH, and more (AXS, crappy brakes). But I'm a cheap bastid so 10s Microshift is my bridge from 2x8 into the modern world. Loving the Advent X on my gravel bike, and considering turning a cheap FS bike into a Sword monster gravelier.
Yeah. American engineering absurdity. 9t? That's useless. Even 11t is already rubbing the chain as heck.
Delighted to see a company that doesn't promote tiny necklace-strength chains and super soft chainsets.
All the fancy electronic stuff is fine and understandable for pro racers - but your average cyclist doesn't actually require it.
My next winter bike will be either alloy or steel, with mechanical groupset & disc brakes....
Your average cyclist doesn’t require reliable consistent shifting? Having both mechanical and electronic shifting bikes I know which I prefer. PS: Electronic shifting bike is from 2018 and still shifts smoothly every time without need for recalibration
Here's a random fact. Literally no one needs lemonade, but I'm glad it exists. ❤
Lol....Everytime someone makes vid about mechanical shifting someone comes out and says how awesome it is....I have a bunch of bikes and love sram so have both...but my etap road bike from 2018 is smooth like butter, my mechanical sram red that is tuned on both roadie and tt can't compare. I have raced electronic sram xc gravel and road, sorry but mechanical is old school
Why even bother making new mechanical groupset...waste
At the current prices? No. In some years when it's standard sure @@jan2000nl
@@jan2000nl Reliable and consistent shifting is already perfectly fine with mechanical shifting. And guess what? It's more relivable than electronics by any engineering measurement.
I've never been a fan of Shimano's "floppy" (as Dave called it) brifters, which require moving the entire brake lever inwards for shifting. Admittedly clever but still strange.
I plan to use the 2x group set for my bike build because I want mechanical brakes. However, I started to wonder if I could actually go with a rim brake group set and if that would open up my options as well. I would think so since they are both cable systems?
Imo this groupset 2x 1x is best for upgrading old rim brake bikes to modernish standards. If I was building any sort of modern frame, GRX would be the way to go
Sword shifters will work with old Shimano Dynasys and new Cues rear derailleurs.
Tiagra Hydro can be had for good money,and has Hydro or cable levers
Where can you buy this groupset? Seems hard to find on t'internet??
Six months ago, it was very hard to find. Last week, I found several retailers including Performance who had complete group sets.
I do like the affordable value Microshift is bringing to the market, and I particularly like this #BYOB - 'bring your own brakes' option. It's great for retro fits and new builds alike. Perhaps one day an innovative company will produce the holy Grail of mechanical brifters - a modular design that permits swapping out a subassembly for the manufacturers cable pull of choice. On the topic of mechanical disc brakes, to echo other viewers comments, it would be great to get your opinion of hybrid hydraulic/mechanical offerings by TRP and others, as well as the more top shelf spendy mechanical products by Growtac and Paul Components. Oh yeah, the repaint on the Fairlight is just mint. 😍👍🏼👏🏼🙌🏼
after trying it, I'd rather make a hacked R7000 rim brake 105 levers with the GRX 11 speed derailleurs, cassette, chain, and chainwheel. Pull ratio of Shimano 11 speed is the same on GRX and 105. I like what Microshift is doing, but I don't like the small button to up shift and the plastic brake levers. Compression-less brake housing helps make mechanical disc brakes more responsive and bit better, but the force needed to actuate is still more than hydro.
Has Spandex gotten tighter since I wore it?
Nice to see competition at the lower end
Is sword compatible with Marin Nicasio+?
Does the cassette slide on to Shimano splined free hub if you wanted the classic old school set up , ie none disc brake types.
Yup it uses the Shimano HG freehub standard
never liked the top shiftbutton on Microshift(ers). To small and to high.
What i really do like though is the big range on the Cassett. 11-38 is awesome for a 10speed roadbike in hilly regions.
For gravel i want 1by with 11 or better 12speed.
I use a campy record mechanical group set! Got a good deal from the UK. But some of these new frames are not set up for the mechanical derailers. It took so much work talking to people online. Unbelievable bike companies don't have a kit for this. They think everyone wants wireless with all those batteries! Disc brakes yes I see now they are very nice. No batteries on any of my bikes!!!!
I’m still unsure, but even though the group set isn’t cross compatible with Shimano parts, what cassette brands can you use?
It most certainly is, it is an open secret. It has 10speed Dyna sis cable pull (so mtb). So any cassette below 38 will do and for above slap in a deore
@@tinatpasselepoivre oh nice! Thanks for the info 👍
Those brake mounts are good.
Nice to see some price competition.
Doesn't the Shimano 105 come in at £500.00. Superb groupset. Wonder why that wasnt mentioned, what am I missing
It is not a gravel groupset and has horrid gearing option (as every road groupset) for a more beginner rider?
Is this rear brake frame to flat mount adapter available somewhere?
it's a specific feature of the Fairlight frame
Have u tried the trp hybrid mechanical Hydraulic disc brakes
where can you buy it?
Always enjoy the content. I can appreciate those who do not or cannot step up to electronic shifting. I can never go back to my mechanical shifting or cable actuated brakes. Looks like a set of Enve G23 wheels on the bike 🤑🤑👊🏻
Im still rely on tiagra grx400 combo bcs can get cheaper to get hydraulic brakes
400£ + 2 brake calipers + chain vs 600£ GRX400 with hydraulic disc brakes. I know where I would put my money. The resale value let alone ...
But if you want to buy an entry level bike with microshift? Go for it! It works.
Mechanical works forever, just less hyped
No it doesn't. Cables stretch and break. It's also harder to install and replace. It works slower in the moment. On offroad it takes away from focus on the ride and breaking. And the industry is stepping away from it, so it will be harder to find bikes and parts that are compatable. Also the price of mechanical will go up because it will become more rare to find. Just like old cars.Electric is almost the same price as mechanic, so there's absolutely no reason to go mechanic. Ever since I've gone to electric, I never wanted to ride my mechanic bikes anymore. And I had 100 times less problems with the groupsets than back when I had mechanical.
Also from an investment standpoint, it's a horrible choice to go mechanical now. You won't be able to sell your bike later. It's like the difference between buying a house, and renting one.
@@YannickLB Eh, from an investment standpoint, electronic is not very good IMO. You can always fix mechanical stuff, if electronics die, off into the bin.
I'd rather buy a used bike with mechanical groupset than electronic.
Seen plenty of rides ruined lately by flat batteries or derailleurs going into crash mode. Ok, you could cite operator error as the cause, but I'm always pretty confident my mechanical won't let me down mid ride, assuming it's well maintained. To provide some balance, though, I did once experience a right mechanical shifter die completely very early into a ride, as the internal spring had broken. In fairness though it was 6 years old and had done many thousands of miles, so didn't owe me anything. Didn't appreciate the limping ride of shame home though, but the LBS fixed it, and it still works to this very day 😀!
@@YannickLB As a full time bike mechanic stand point of view also owned and ridden in record just over 30 bikes in experience over 14yrs, if you are experienced in servicing bicycles, No mechanic groupset will trip you up or betray the rider, only electrical will. I recently owned my first SRAM AXS bike, it does add more fun to ride with, but None of a electrical groupset from any brands will ever can replace a trusty, well maintained, mechanical groupset. By far at the moment, SRAM Apex mechaincal 12 speed is the best one in performance and respondent of shifting in my opinion, which is available on the market.
I see the industry is pushing consumer to buy those shorter lifetime electrical products, which will push their product selling cycle rather then truly want to offer long lasting, repairable, lower value mechaincal groupset.
@@chanchingchung I ride 20.000 km per year off-road. I race, I do bikepacking trips, I go hard on the single tracks etc. None of my electronic groupsets (sram axs and xtr di2) have ever failed me, or broke. Never had a battery run out of charge. I've ridden roadbikes before that with mechanical shifting. All of them started to have bad shifting and other mechanical problems a couple times per year. I wasn't even doing crazy stuff with those bikes.
8:07 What do you mean when your bike weighs 18 kilos? That Secan is between 9-10, no?
when laden with Bikepacking bags for a few days of camping
@@davidarthur Of course, I can't believe I missed that! As someone who has mechanical disc brakes, what's the maintenance/cost benefit of hydraulic?
What about Shimano Cues?
That's flat bar only
@@yukiko_5051 It won't work with brifters?
The downfall of this groupset is that it is not cheap enough compared to grx.
So get it along with a bike or use it for a cheap mullet (it has shimano mtb 10spd, Dyna sis, cable pull as xle and as advent-x).
I see no reason at all why I should switch from my Ultegra Di2 to this. Can't match it by far, only if you're on a budget.
Sounded good until you said it's not compatible with Shimano or SRAM and this seems like a very poor decision. As for the cost -- Shimano and SRAM OEM groupsets (and Campy for that matter) are overpriced unless purchased with a bike. They could've wedged into the market with a cheaper, quality compatible kit so folks could upgrade their mechanical group sets piecemeal. IMO you're better off with a 105 mechanical group set.
It has Dyna sis 10spd cable pull. So it is fully compatible with Shimano...
You didn't mention Campy Chorus for comparison! Best hydro brakes on the market, and about 1000eur if you shop around.
I have 2010/TCR Mechanical group set and 2023 Giant Propel electric group set as well🙃🥹😅🚴
Why do Canadians money not gets mention? Conversion rates would be nifty @ post time
Would never ever go back to mechanical shifting
No!no!no! It’s like trying to un-invent the wheel? Embrace the change!!
For a mechanical group set at 400usd I'd just go with sensah mechanical 150 usd😂
GRX 400 feels like a no brainer then
Mechanical groupsets are fine and I have never had any problems with them. My only issue and a personal one at that is I like to know what rear gear I'm in. I know I should rely on memory and looking down doesn't work for me. Being able to see it on the head unit works for me, but this can only happen with an electronic group set. If I could have a top tier mechanical groupset which I could easily tell what rear gear I'm in, I'd go for it. I'm also not convinced disc brakes are an overwhelming must have.
If you con't feel it in your legs it's irrelevant.
Hard no here.
Great video for smart cyclists😊
$400 groupset of the people with $2500 ENVE wheelset.
More like this content and I’ll give you likes
как часто у вас рвется гидравлика?
Wireless…. If u know u know😊
Hang on, no way cable or cable/hydro is better than a "well set up" rim brake with alloy rims. Absolutely not. I've used hydro discs since the mid/late 80's and couldn't believe how rubbish cable disc were the first time i rode them, worse than carbon rims and rim calipers in my opinion.
Get the grx400, with sales and on complete bikes this is like 100£ more expensive but three times the quality.
Don’t go for mediocrity
no thanks.
who's asking for this??!!
People who don’t want batteries and hydraulics
removing complexity is what wireless shifting do. dude got it all wrong.
Absolutely not. Electronics are simply better in every aspect, except the price. But if you can afford it, there is no match to mechanical ones.
You are wrong but that's ok. Axs falls on its face when exposed to prolonged wet or grimmy environnement for instance... A good mech will not