“Korean Music Lyrics Are Causing Women’s Mental Health Problems” | Douglas Murray
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Chris and Douglas Murray discuss the vulgar rise of lyrics in music. How are musical lyrics impacting women's mental health according to Douglas Murray? Why does Douglas Murray oppose the use of vulgar lyrics in music?
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Just 2 gay British dudes talking about nut control, interesting show,
just saw a BTS music video, you 2 owe me a pair of new eyes
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I'll tell you exactly when cancel culture will come for Rap lyrics, when whitey starts rapping, but given the fact that Vanilla Ice's music is as exciting as the flavor of ice and Eminem is constantly cleaning out his closet, the answer is never.
This is such a poorly researched commentary on your part, Chris, because it's not "Korean music lyrics" that you are actually talking about here. The so-called "misogynistic" lyrics that you are talking about are not from Jung Kook's Korean music but from his English-language album, whose lyrics were written by Western music producers, mostly from America, with some from the UK and Canada. In South Korea, such raunchy lyrics are not common on mainstream channels. So, this issue is more a reflection of pop culture in English-speaking countries rather than South Korea.
you are deleting my comments!!!!! really pro free speech eh?
Douglas Murray supports the genocide in Gaza and you support that?
The irony is that BTS's Korean songs are perfectly fine, because Korean culture is still pretty conservative. It's only after Jungkook started releasing English language tracks aimed at the western audience did you see him shift towards more typically western lyrics like this. The problem isn't K-pop, it's western media.
Thank you! THIS! BTS lyrics are very positive for your mental health, but for some reason when this came, I was disappointed. I refuse to listen to it. Love JK but can't understand why he wants to sing this filth.
Are you sure you ought to be calling them "jungkooks" in this day and age? 😳
TikTok in China is restricted to science and nationalistic reels. Etc etc. Southeast Asia knows what it's doing to American kids. It is intentional. And we eat it up.
aren't KPOP stars almost like slaves?
Did he have a voice in the matter? @@elenhin
@@DatAsianGuy A slave to the dollar, most likely. He wasn’t literally forced but I’m sure he strongly factored in the financial risk/reward.
A Friend of mine was listening to his University aged Daughter's favourite Rap Music in a nice sharing moment, and told her he did not like the constant use of the 'N" Word. After she stewed for a few hours, she proclaimed him to be a racist. The reward for sending your Daughter to higher education.
To be fair, smart black people don't either.
@@wtfdtreatsit’s a shame their culture is destroying themselves and continually playing victim. I love when people stand up for themselves and live better lives
"Hey you know that knife is dangerous"
"Yes dad, it is" (buries blade up to the hilt in her father's chest)
Sure, bud. Education made her stupid, not popular culture.
@@wtfdtreatsMeanwhile, the smartest and most skilled black rappers consistently use it.
You have incorrectly identified the source of the culture that objectifies women. And it's not mainstream Korean culture. Jung Kook's solo music isn't really considered Korean music. Rather, it's Jung Kook's attempt to make US pop music. The producers and writers are American. They just happen to have a Korean artist singing the song. In Korea, those kinds of lyrics are not considered acceptable in Korean pop music.
funny thing is , that this conversation is happening at all.... I mean ages ago with the beatles .. or elvis... it was the same (public fear in regards to the end of appropriate behaviour and such )... And in general there is SO MUCH music that objectifies women... it is impossible to say its just 1 artist/group or genre... it is just never black and white.. If more ppl would stay open minded and curious the wold would be an easier to navigate and better place. I wish more ppl would be accepting that they don't know everything, instead of narrow minded worldviews resulting in stereotypical labeling of all foreign/unknown.. Its so easy to have fixed worldviews that u never need to adjust... easy to blame 1 thing for a problem.. It will just never be realistic in regards to a lot of biggere scale topics , like objectifying women in music... And never solve the issue if you just point to kpop or 1 artist as the root and reason... I am aware that in Korea this lyrics wouldn't be as acceptable as in other countries , but i wouldn't fully agree on US producers and writers as the reason for these lyrics. Yes adjusted for the american/global market , not just by choosing english as language ,also in regards of the music style. But i highly doubt JK is unaware of the lyrics/translation and the reception it might result in. He is a grown up man , still Maknae but also an adult. Changing the picture fans have of you is hard i guess, more so when your fans are devoted and diverse as Army is. Maybe even harder when you as an artist started when you were verey young and there is so much video footage online where Fans see your younger self often and anytime they want. Fans often have a picture in their head of their idol , sometimes its hard to adjust it bc the idol grows up/changes.. But no matter how you look at it , 1 person/genre is not the reason women are objectified in music... If JK hadn't been so huge in the US , after BTS had been the first Asian artist to explode it that market not too long before that ... This whole topic wouldn't exist. In Europe bc of many close borders to other countries/languages/musicstyles and habits... you are used to more diversity. To me it feels the US was so shocked by Korean artists being so huge there.. Many US citizens baffled that not the whole population of the earth is circling around the US (no matter what topic) , like it is the SUN.. i love that Army is so protective (even if there are a lot of entitled fans included & narrow minded blindy following ones) and i love that any US citizens explore worldwide music ( even if its just for views- it widens their horizon) Chris and Douglas might not have done much diggin into the Kpop history resulting in this video... Maybe thats how it is presented in US media right now? Take everything with a grain of salt.. question your own opinions and believe from time to time... allow for the fact that you might now understand and know everything .. Nothing more you can do and you still might end up having stereotypical views on topics.. as a women i don't like to be objectified , but i can choose what i listen to and what is acceptable for me as a person/women. Fully aware that other nationalities differ on viewpoints based on their beliefs as well as any single person based on their worldview/upbringing own values might differ from mine. Have you checked if all writers/producers/ppl making the videos and such are really American ? Pretty sure some have different heritages/mixed race or even born in other countries.. :D
Rule of thumb: Never listen to Kpop or watch Kdrama's developed outside Korea. Korean culture has its dark side but most of the popular content is regulated.
Amen🤝🏻
Priceless Douglas😂 “I did that before you came, now I’m just going for a lie down”!
it’s not the korean music and their lyrics. Jungkook is now very westernized, he’s now a global star, not just a kpop star anymore. So, his song lyrics are also very westernized. If you listen to the actual korean music, their lyrics are usually very motivational and beautiful (at least for the songs that i listen to). Please listen to Stray kids, Seventeen, and even BTS’ korean songs, you’ll understand what i mean. imho, it’s been mostly western song lyrics that are causing me problems 😂
hahaha
Agree for the Jungkook n BTS part.
You couldn't PAY a sensible man(or woman) to voluntarily listen to Kpop
@@adjustedindividual7177 disagree - so let's find out.... just a troll ... or actually believing what you wrote... Making such universal broad claims about anything or any group is just.... a very narrow view of the world in my opinion...
Hello Chris: The South Korean education system is truly brutal and causes far more mental health problems than any form of pop music. Keep up the wonderful work.
As far as I could determine, as far back as the '70s, students in S. Korea majored in rioting.
Yeah serious. High school kids in Korea will literally work like daybreak to 10pm+ daily, including weekends. Activities like after school cram classes and sports are basically mandatory. Like imagine if McDonald's wouldn't hire you unless you were captain of your chess club, and also had a 4.0, and also volunteered in a homeless shelter. And now imagine cubicle jobs have much higher standards than that. That's Korean society for many young people. Suicide is a big issue.
@@tetedur377It's even worse for the teachers
They are also the most innovative nation in the world and they have grown at a phenomenal rate, drastically improving the living standards of the entire population in a few decades.
I don't think it's the schools. It's their entire culture. The schools are a symptom not the disease.
When I took a women's studies class 25~ years ago, I wrote a paper on how women are attracted to misogynistic rap and dance music. Now as then, they never ask for it to be turned off or to completely avoid a party or club where it is being played.
because it's made by the the type of men that women see as instrumental in rebelling against and degrading whatever moral or religious ideal they might have been raised on. So of course, they're not going to object the one group that's the most effective in doing that. Besides, any objection would go on deaf ears. Rappers are like how rockers USED to be....unapologetic. That kind of stuff is what kids respond to and what gets panties wet.
Can I check your paper if you have it online? Interesting topic to me
word my niggah
Remember that Chris Rock joke? "But he ain't talking about me and calling me a 304 so it's all good " lmao
No I'm sure that I threw it in the trash as soon as the semester ended @@DanielMamaev03
"When will they come for rap lyrics?"
Never. Proles and animals are free.
based.
Why care about rap lyrics?
JK isn't being marketed as a kpop star anymore. He is being marketed as a global pop star. That is the very simple explanation for the change.
K-pop causing problems? Maybe. It's a bit more complicated. It certainly doesn't help, not in a long haul. Just like any other form of escapism.
I’d only ever listen to it backwards, and I feel great
Let's just say... I didn't expect this whole conversation 🤣. Very interesting, keep bringing the good stuff!
the problem with rap is it's essentially sacred as part of a protected class, but paradoxically it routinely (by definition?) infringes another protected class (women). Some would find bleak humour in the average person trying to reconcile the absurd doublethink...
How can you make sense of that gobblygook?
“Women having poor mental health is causing mental health problems”
I watched you on Douglas Murray!❤you are brilliant
This is an incredibly pointless conversation.
Yes, it's a pointless conversation posted with a click-bait title.
As a big fan of equality I'm perfectly prepared to be concerned for the mental health of women to the exact same degree that women are concerned about the mental health of men - that's to say not much.
Same
Equal rights equal lefts 😄
Not this woman - I am just as worried about both.
@@graceb3934me too. I think my wife is suffering because of Instagram and social media. She doesn't post pictures of herself she doesn't model or anything. She's a mom. But it's all kind of become a huge distraction and she'll even admit it. but not do anything about it either.
I always look at women's issues the same way that women look at men's issues. If I can't make them all about me, I just pretend they don't exist
PArt of your time but not it's creature.................EPIC. Douglas is so calm and rational, it's a privilege to be able to listen to him.
Douglas' high pitched sigh really encapsulates the situation.
Need the full episode!
TooJoo7 There's a link to the full episode in Chris Williamson's(The content creator) pinned comment near the top of the section(under ChrisWilx).
@@lobsterbisque7567 Thank you, I thought this was part of a new episode which it isn't.
@@TopJoo7 NP! The same thing happened to me a few days prior when I wanted to watch a full episode of his when He had Andrew Huberman on.
Ironically enough the more Western culture that spills over into K-pop and other related fields you see this trend continue. I could easily name 5 rappers I've listened to on the radio in the past year alone with almost exclusively misognyistic and possessive lyrics.
Can't be too "problematic" because females love it, because they buy it the most and support those artists the most, so what does that tell you? 🧐🤔
50 Shades of Grey, anyone?
You probably don't even know what misogyny means.
@@Cbd_7ohm funny lol
@@wtfdtreats "but I can fix him" lmao
Women who worship men and view men as doing no wrong support everything any men do.
Douglas is a treasure
@ChrisWillx Coud not care less about that kind of music but love the both of you and thank you for being able to make me laugh! x
"I'm offended by boy bands!!" - Steve Hughes
He cited one line from one song, which to him apparently caused "mental health issues" to women. Oh boy...
The title is more click bait than anything else.
Yeah, he is never listening to other song from BTS, i was like bruh 😂😂😂😂
@@salsalee4322 봄날 is so good
You need to fact check. The song, Too Much, is not KPop. It’s on the album of an Australian artist, the Kid LAROI. I don’t see Jungkook’s name on the writer’s credits. It seems Jungkook’s sole participation was to sing the chorus. The rap you quote was delivered by a black British rapper, Central Cee. In the vast catalogue of Jungkook (whose name you didn’t even both to pronounce correctly) and BTS or members, this is not what they rap about. As for KPop and rap, it’s nothing like black urban street rap. But I’ll leave you to research that on your own. I’d like you to correct this. Disappointed in this misleading clickbait.
Thank you for that comment
It really is poor journalism and to be that far off base I’m doubtful if I’ll watch more of this guy. Douglas is a fine chap tho
@@roarbertbearatheon8565 what pisses me off is that followed him for over a year and now that he's moved to Austin with the in-crowd he's become ambitious to the point where his own curation of content has gotten much lower. And he knows it. Also, he was a club promoter who apparently wasn't there for the music. And of course, him not correcting himself is no problem because the mistake doesn't seem to be important enough to him. Agree about Douglas Murray. Also, I doubt he reads his comments thoroughly anymore. It's not about the little people.
On a personal note, KPop is much better for your mental health than channels like this.
I'm Korean, and yes Korean culture has problems. It has been seriously inclined to only women, neglecting what men want except movies. Even the culture has extremely derived women's thoughts and virtues from right path. And the fact always saddens me as a Korean. Actually I'm the one who thinks Korean culture's uniqueness is one of the main reasons of exponential risk of domestic low rates of heterosexual relationships and fertility rate.
That's interesting to think about. Do you think that there is also the problem that the dramas are being made for foreign women to watch which might change the quality of the shows? Do you know why it's only movies that are still aimed at men?
@@heykay5610 Korean movies usually focus on social commentaries or hardboiled thrillers. But, drama series writers are mostly women. So, their shows are targeted for women, with unrealistic romance between high-rich men and normal women.
"inclined to only women" is pretty the same all other all westernized countries.
Now, there is a consequence and immediate d@nger of literal extinction.
Should not all men vote for more pro-men aka conservative politicians ?
I guess women should as well, but lets start with own men directly responsibility
If there is a bigger problem, it's not because of "misogyny" but because of the kind of sexually degenerate language propagated by the red pill. This issue isn't patriarchy and male authority, but weak men using those ideas and calling them the true and right thing.
Never understood why BTS and K-Pop got so huge over here, yet hardly anyone knows who Buck-Tick is.
Before you evaluate... The term i heard was "A preemptive Barclays"
4:22 I think Camille Paglia said something similar
If they ever do a new version of Lion, Witch, and the Wardrobe I want Douglas to play Aslan
pfft, hes too softly spoken
@@spiff1 Not always! As l read the books, the voice wasn’t Brian Blessed volume but that’s the beauty of reading isn’t it, everyone has their own experience. 👍
Douglas takes it in the butt and is not fit to play the God character lol
@@kilometeres1962 That’s most actors out the picture then, and let’s not start on ballet…
@@goldilocks913 basically. Ballet is beyond saving sadly.
Right. Because Korean women cannot choose what music they listen to. Must be men's fault somehow.
Korean women are not the target audience for Jung Kook's songs. It's made for a Western audience that love this crap.
What temp are you cooking your steak in the air fryer?
Isn't blaming anyone's mental health problems on anyone but the individual in question the real problem here?
I heard once about German woman collecting the gravel that (You Know Who) walked on.
It’s a strange part of the female psyche.
you mean the 1938 Time Magazine Man of the Year?
@@bushy9780 Yeah I thick they mentioned the article in Hitler a career.
Now you're trying to blame this on the Female psyche??? Leave it up to the human male To gaslight whatever he needs to make him Think he's smart Or that somehow he's got a grasp on the situation.
God is going to wreak havoc on our planet 😒
Thank gawd, Douggy is the long awaited Messy-I-ah? All hail his greatness!
I'm pretty sure the Korean Music Industry is also causing more health problems than their lyrics...
This is such a poorly researched commentary on Chris' part because it's not "Korean music lyrics" they are actually talking about. The so-called "misogynistic" lyrics that they are talking about are not from Jung Kook's Korean music but from his English-language album, whose lyrics were written by Western music producers, mostly from America, with some from the UK and Canada. In South Korea, such raunchy lyrics are not common on mainstream channels. So, this issue is more a reflection of pop culture in English-speaking countries rather than South Korea.
As a middle aged South Korean female school teacher who have listened to almost all teenagers' favorite songs for more than 10 years, I guarantee that this is 100% true!!
Such lyrics are not accepted at all in Korean mainstream broadcasts! They could be included in songs of albums, but even if they are, people wouldn't listen to them proudly or openly.
And as for typical Korean parents, most are the pickiest, protective, and die-hard controlling when it comes to what their kids listen to and watch! ( of course, the kids always secretly find ways to. . you know 😅)
Not that I care about this, but jungkook was very happy and fine with the lyrics, many fans were moaning to him on his live about the vulgar lyrics and he told them that he's an adult, so let's not act like he was forced to sing this, he's the star attraction if he didn't want to sing the lyrics, he would have said.
@@Nicole-kc1vx "so let's not act like he was forced to sing this"
Who said anything about forcing anyone? Jung Kook isn't fluent in English, so he didn't write the lyrics. He's just rolling with the punches and using the lyrics the songwriters created. And since those songs writers are from mostly America with others from the UK and Canada, they are going to write the kind of lyrics that are being heard nowadays in English language Pop music. So again, this is really reflecting English language Pop Music and not South Korea which Chris here was unaware of.
@@DaRunningMan one doesn't have to be fluent in English to understand swearing and sexual innuendos, for many people it's the first few things they're introduced to when learning new languages...
Also, my point was *he understands what the song means* , he doesn't have to have shakespeare's proficiency in English to know he's singing a very sexual song, his fans already moaned about it to him and his response was that he's an adult. The boy gets it, and he's fine with it. Furthermore, he would have definitely had someone translate any parts of the song he didn't get so he knew what it meant, he's not a puppet who just sings what he's given, and he definitely didn't want any scandals with his solo debut.
And "reflecting English language pop music", are you a young kpop stan or something? There are so many korean songs filled with sexual innuendos, I wouldn't say this reflects English language pop music, cause the Koreans are doing it too. You act like songs with sexual connotations are exclusive to English pop music, news flash, they're not.
@@Nicole-kc1vx You come across as a teenager, since you're clearly having trouble understanding what I wrote. You should take your time to read what another person actually wrote because you keep making wild assumptions and jumping to conclusions based on things I never said or implied. For anything, I didn't say anything about Jung Kook not understanding what the lyrics were about. I was very clear in what I wrote. And no, you're not going to find many Kpop MAINSTREAM DISTRIBUTED songs that are as sexually explicit and direct (meaning no double meanings) as current English-language Pop music. That is a fact. Are there Korean songs that are sexually explicit? Sure, but they are not the majority, nor are they mainstream releases.
"You act like songs with sexual connotations are exclusive to English pop music, news flash, they're not."
News Flash: No, I didn't act like that! Again, it feels like I'm talking to a kid who keeps saying things I never said. My comment was about Chris and his specific commentary on THIS video. He's the one who said, "Korean Music Lyrics Are Causing Women’s Mental Health Problems." All I did was point out that what he's talking about are not Jung Kook's Korean songs, but actually his English-language songs with lyrics he didn't write because he's not fluent in English. So, if anything, it's a commentary that should be about English language Pop songs because they are indeed overtly sexual in their lyrics.
After decades of Rap and Pop with disgusting lyrics, we can't really moan about Korean music now.
if i was the running that gym i defintely woulda hit him with a casual 'nahh' about turning the music off..he had 3 options. deal with it, leave, or wear headphones but asked who was running the gym to turn it off bc HE was bothered..nope
Yes of course, ignore the customer who isn't comfortable being in your place of employment. Who will go to another one that is comfortable. Then another customer who doesn't ask because they see the staff doesn't care about their patrons just finds another gym. Being in your gym isn't a privilege, it's a choice and if the majority of people who go to your place of employment choose to go somewhere else then you are out of a job. Of course you can't make everyone happy but you should try.
1:32 that advice is fucking GENIUS 😂😂
@Chris: "Masturbate before you evaluate" is just another term for using postnut clarity to judge a situation dispassionately. Don't tell me you never did that. 😁
@2:40 isn't that what happened to Noah Schnapp from Stranger Things?
"the sort of thing we will be discussing just before we get machettied" lmao
Such a good way to put it 🎯
His sarcasm is always on point 😂.
Love the "not to victim blame" before the victim blame. Also love the "couldn't imagine what shit is out there" before one of the most bourgeois (+ non down to earth) adverts. "Not to criticize ...". Hey, I actually agree with some parts of what they say. Just, ... saying ... . These guys speak as if they are people who think they are outstandingly worldly (especially Douglad Murray, who I see as a pretty predictable guy, quite like a more intellectual Milo) , ... but they are NOT in MY (someone who's divided his life equally across 3 different countries, 2 very distant continents) books. I wish that people paid more attention to less charismatic thinkers, tbh.
People won't talk about minor issues if Wall Street wouldn't pay a lot of money for those issues to be talked about. It all started with Occupy Wallstreet and the Tea Party in 2012
Patriarchy is good for women mental health
Oh HHAHAAHAHA 0:58. 😂😂😂I think in the land of hip hop, such lyrics are an indication the artist is committed to 'keepin' it real, yo'. Brilliant.
1:14 😂
Of course he'd nap after - he's not 22 anymore. 😅
I'd argue these words aren't taken with their literal meaning, especially by the south korean community and so in fact "elastacise" their strict expectations into more delicate ones.
Obviously, I'm making assumptions here and I believe I also lack in the language skills needed to express myself correctly.
So, I would love to hear more about this matter in more of a "classical debate" manner.
Douglas flirting with this guy is so special
Good thing neuralink isn't ready yet, people will get busted for racist thoughtcrimes. Just remembering lyrics from some rap will be banned.
I often joke about how much social engineering is possible. Sure, some may exist. However, how many chubby chasers has body positivity created?
Douglas is priceless. Love him🇬🇧
The Israeli rave is a good representation of the West: partying along, not paying attention to the coming danger.
Poor taste.
That is the enormous problem in the world, the western one in particular! So fasten your seats belt.....
Does anyone remember that old rhyme, "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me"???
I think we all remember it, but current science has shown it to be untrue, like so many nursury rhymes.
I thought it was "Stick and stones may break my bones, there will always be something to offend a feminist"
@@sunilrana5521😂nice
@@TheZGALaexactly, words are spells, spelling... animals documentaries (e.g.) are good at manipulating how we all perceive a situation.
Yeah, person who wrote that never suffered under decades of emotional abuse.
I don't listen to American rap because it insults and degrades women all the time. Yet I trustred Jungkook and BTS, a band who promised to NOT make misogynistic music but commited to promote self-esteem and well-being through their music in partnership with UNICEF, an organization who consistently warns about the consequences of sexual objectification of women and girls on mental health and actual violence against them. If an artist betrays those commitments and turns to misogyny after a decade of empathetic and inclusive music, of course it would cause controversy and very valid backlash from fans. And to clear any confusion about the title, the podcast is based on an article written by a psychologist and BTS fan after the release of Jungkook's '3D' in collaboration with jack harlow, a song that compares women to corpses, calls them wh*res, a song where women are being counted as they are objects on a man's fingers because one girl is too boring and not enough, making tens of thousands of women around the world feel humiliated and devalued as human beings/individuals. What's being pointed out is the hypocrisy of the artist endorsing those lyrics and content, who only happens to be Korean. That the lyrics were written in Korean or in English is not relevant.
K-Pop & mental health? Are we confusing correlation with causation and bleating about it? Bring in the Barbarians!
I wish his voice and platform was magnified by 100
More people need reason and practicality imprinted on them
I’m a little disappointed on the take on this, I think the frame was missed - I think the point is that Korean pop culture is generally much more tame than the west, and it’s audiences globally are accustomed to a certain level of purity to the music to where the deviation in their language and approach can be both shocking and discomforting. And considering an audience of young women, some can be triggered by the uncomfortable feeling of a lack of a musical ‘safe space’ away from such harsh language that indirectly advocates violence towards women.
Exactly! Thank you. So many people in the comments missing the point because the context of what BTS used to endorse (as both Kpop and as a band/individual artists) is missing.
I believe Douglas is blushing 😊
These guys are great, of course, but they do seem out of touch here. K-pop music and stars themselves represent the baroque era of rock - their songs are written for them and their lives are carefully engineered to project very specific images. If K-pop lyrics are causing 'mental health issues' it's because a) people listen to them and b) that's what they're designed to do.
"I 'arrived' just before you did" would be a politer way of putting it.
2:20 Douglas Murray using the n-w0rd is stranger and funnier than when King Aragorn used it. 😂
Gresat clip. Thanks guys! :)
Maybe casual dehumanization in pop lyrics is the first step toward barbarity. Maybe the K-Pop lyrics are every bit as offensive and consequential as the rap lyrics Murray complained about. I mean, there's a difference in the way he handled it. He said he didn't want it to be part of his life, not that he didn't want it to exist at all. Still, he asked for it to be removed from a public space because it was bothering him, that same right should be extended to anyone.
As usual, douglas is legit
"Your slogans and your attitudes only go so far, and can't keep out some things lurking at the edges...."
Was it James Smith's gym? It was, wasn't it.
What a title.
Would anyone speak about the Turkish politition that was speaking against Israel and at the moment he took the name of the lord in his mouth that second was his last, he fell to the ground and died. It is horrrible but poetic at the same time. That´s why I would never take the name of the Lord and wish evil opon others, cause he is ever present.
Why is it music fault and not the person? Ppl? Western culture. As far as BTS as a group, they have lots of encouraging songs. They focused on mental health, working hard, self reflection. There js some fun songs but it isn't really sexual. Their ablum LOVE YOURSELF, with lyrics like, "I'm the one i should love." " even your mistakes form a constellation. " I'm not a big K-pop fan, but i disagree and feel more research on BTS, not just their solo...j.kook is trying to break into the Western music industries and adopted their "music"
Unfortunately, what I saw as intelligent conversation is now just entertainment😂 win win
BTS or Kpop songs in general have philosopical lyrics in it. Koreans are just deep thinkers in nature. That is also why suicide rate is pretty high there. But in general they get some deep lines and not horny lyrics like in the US. But I know modern kpop now start to look up to US modern songs that are more sexy.
Nonsense.
Ummm, what about goo hara's song "Choco Chip Cookie" ? She committed suicide, was it because she's a deep thinker?
Either you are a young kpop Stan, or you haven't listened to enough kpop. Kpop songs in general *do not* have philosophical lyrics, most of them are absolutely stupid and nonsensical.
Just explore any of NCT's (127, Dream, U, and the rest) discography. Or red velvet, or NewJeans, or Aespa, or ITZY, you get the gist at this point 😂
Even Koreans have agreed the lyrics are pure bullshit, Lee Hyori (a famous 1st gen kpop idol) was reading out the lyrics to Boombayah in complete disbelief, cause they were stupid. Many korean netizens agreed that modern kpop songs are bullshit lyrics over a good beat. The same thing is happening with western music, so it's probably a sign of the times.
Also, most kpop songs are produced by westerners, sometimes the idols write their own lyrics to go over the track, other times they just roughly translate it over.
@Nicole-kc1vx I don't know about the other kpop....but bts has meaningful lyrics series....love yourself album...ect
I love how none one mentions why young black men are killing each other on mass and rap is the most popular music in America, where u can hear N, N, N, N a million times, but as soon as someone else says it, it's a problem. Lol
Decided I'm going to bed now 🤣
Army's comin
The irony is that rappers do get attacked all the time. Just because you don’t know about it or more accurately: are removed from the community, doesn’t mean something doesn’t happen.
huge fan of this podcast but this made me think not everything is well informed view point after all.
Legit asking cos I am a bit baffled - do you (Chris)/or does Chris really think the misogynistic aspect he is describing which is is saying is leading to women's mental health issue is something KPOP is leading....really? As Douglas points out....its more prevalent in the US/Western music....so seriously cannot be thinking this is from KPOP.....? Surely you/Chris would have done some checks and knows Asian culture (including KPOP culture/lyrics) is still really conservative vs. the US/western music.....so was Chris just trying to click-bate some people....like myself (hahah) or just trying to ask a question citing/linking something really new?
Murray minimizes: KNOWING MEDIA HAS A HUUUUGE IMPACT ON VALUES, how can this be 'nothing.' And so, our demeaning culture toward women IS PROOF of this; where women are always expected to submit to men, and it's a pandemic in schools even. (everybody knows what swallow your pride means. These references are in most movies) just more of Murray laughing at the situation.
If you were to actually look at the culture today, you would notice women (generally) are submitting less and less to men. To what extent does this music play a role on an entire society and gender. Compare music from the 50s and 60s to now. Women were more submissive back then even though the music was way less “demeaning”. There’s literally trends in today’s culture such as, “girl boss”, “independent and strong” etc. if anything, men have got more submissive.
@@daviddavidd3745 I think she is still living in a past that never existed.
Best episode in a minute 🔥
Next up: blaming death and grindcore metal lyrics for the youth's decline in mental health, them becoming m_rder__s since the mid eighties. Which is nonsense.
First, just like mumble rap, you cannot really understand the lyrics of Carcass, Obituary, Death, Entombed, N_p_lm D3ath (can't write the original name in full anymore, but search "Siege Of Power" , the rumbling live version, also the song not a band with that name making different songs).
In my country, once Jazz and Blues music were accused of doing exactly the same thing, supposedly corrupting the poor girls' and women's souls in dance halls. It was not the world war with it's persecutions, b_mbings, scarcity, it was not the preceding economic depression or the Dust Bowl, it's Jazz and Blues music, bad bad bad, causing the 19th nervous breakdown.
Meanwhile The Prodigy's 1997 song "sm_ck my b up" (can't write in full anymore) in it's original version is very popular among women who are hard training and talented kickboxing and MMA athletes, as music for when they are entering the ring, to do some (consensual, sportive) smacking up. So there is that.
So then, is locking oneself in a darkened room and just listening to Nine Inch Nails early albums (Broken, The Downward Spiral, The Fragile) or Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds, is that not potentially harmful?
Any diet that is lacking variation can be harmful.
So every once in a while throw in some Shakira (Dare), Backstreet Boys (Tell me why), The Communards (Don't leave me this way), Donna Summer (I feel love), Boney M (rah rah Rasputin, R_ssian's greatest love machine) and Ekseption (Saber Dance) in it, for musical balance.
Lol huge click bait
It wasn't even bts..
Who/ what is JK?
I would argue Western media and Western values are destroying Korean values and Korean culture. A lot of Kpop is a form of western media now.
It always has been, if you watched kpop music in the 90s, it mirrored 90s America's RnB and pop music scene (minus extreme sexualisation and violence in music).
In the early 2000s it started to change, the pop scene had many japanese influences in it e.g the clothes and cute songs.
Then after western media started paying attention to kpop in the late 2010s, kpop went back to adding western elements into the music.
This is why it has declined as western pop culture declined. Its best chance would only come by separating itself from the west's influence, but western ideologies (and people) have invaded a once very Conservative Korea, so many Korean youths are finding solace in it, and basically westernising Korea themselves!
But with the decline of western civilisation, I think many young east Asians are rethinking thr downstream consequences of adopting certain ideologies, so Korea will definitely never become as degenerate as any country in the rich developed west.
There wouldn’t be Kpop without western culture.
@@oldchicken2 kpop's inception is derived from jpop in the 70's but beginning in the 90's, Western music began having more of a influence
Emotionally reacting drives 99% of the world's population across races and geographic regions. The remaining 1% of critical thinkers know it and use it to control the 99%. Always has been, is and always will. It's a result of the unique human ability to reason.
Ha never thought I’d find a day I’d be googling a K-pop artist
As an OG Raver, it is fucked up that that happened, however, it is just as disturbing you through a rave outside of a concentration camp, no?
Listen i haven listen to any music and never looked at my life and my brain farts. You dont like it you turn it off. You cant blame some else to for your mental health when you can jist turn off.
Rap music has always been a dirty dive into the gutter followed by energetic wallowing in filth with rancid rhyme and reprobate rhythm.
Did he said he is a gay, did i heard it correct ? i have no problem with it, it just rather unexpected and thus funny, if so indeed
The white guy going to the gym and telling them to turn of rap because it says the n word is wild
Maybe the problem is American rappers writing their own lyrics on these collabs.
Chris always feels the need to show how smart he is to his guests
Das Thema ist Schwachsinn.
Douglas Murray champion against snowflakes, asks gym staff to turn off music he doesn't agree with....hmmm
Douglas has such little baby arms or is that just me. Little dwarf arms