Thank you for watching this important interview. Emily Lee shares her harrowing story of being raised in the Apostolic United Brethren. Her father, David Watson, is the current prophet of the cult. Emily wants everyone to know that there is help available if you need to leave Polygamy. She relied on the Holding Out Help in the years after she fled the abusive cult. If you need help or need to leave, please go here: holdingouthelp.org If you are local in Utah, Holding Out Help is in need of volunteers, safe houses, and supplies for adults and children that flee these groups. If you wish to donate to the group that helped save Emily, please click here: holdingouthelp.networkforgood.com// Please help Emily’s story be heard by liking, commenting and sharing this video. The more people that see this the higher likelihood that this will reach someone trapped inside. Thanks for listening, giving space for Emily. Thanks to Emily for her bravery sharing her story, and for trusting WOACB to help her tell that story. ❤ Katie
I have really struggled to watch Sister wives, since I'm often triggered, being a former plural wife. I have recently, after a lot of healing, watched some, and feel such love and respect for Meri, Christine, and Janelle. Christine is my cousin, and Meri was a childhood friend. My heart aches for their grief and abandonment. I have experienced that. And I am so happy for them, but there is a LOT of healing ahead for them. So much love for those who have awakened to the truth.
I don't think they ever really knew that EBT and Medicaid are government assistance for the poor. I think they just talk about the government is "evil" but when trying to survive and feed a dozen kids, they will do whatever it takes to keep them all alive.
What makes me angry at them is that they have to know abuse is taking place. Kody’s tantrums should come with a trigger warning, because that is abuse. It doesn’t have to be physical to be abuse. Psychological abuse is harder to see, but no abuse can take place without the brainwashing and gaslighting. Men yelling at me just about makes my heart stop, as I have CPTSD. Kody uses his anger and verbal abuse to manipulate his wives and children. It infuriates me that that behavior is normalized.
Thanks, you two awesome, amazing women for speaking out about the harms and insanities of religious /traditional polygamy! Everyone needs to hear this and more.
I’ve known Emily for over 20 years. It’s so nice to hear her talk about her experience with the cult and leaving it. I’ve only known her as a wonderful Mother and Wife. She is a wonderful speaker. She has always been advanced in her vocabulary and how she conducts herself. Much love to you Emily!
My grandkids are mixed and the thought of anyone speaking about them as if they are less than human makes me sick. They are the light of my life, smart, gorgeous, funny, amazing kids.
@@tinacrees656ikr!!! It kind of proves to me that she thinks whatever they are mixed with is inferior to what she is. I think thou protest too much……😂😂😂
My granddaughter is mixed race too, and I can honestly say that I don’t care what lowlife people like this think of her. She’s beautiful, she’s kind, she’s sassy and intelligent, and the opinion’s of people like this, (racists) literally don’t matter. Don’t assign your beautiful grandkids worth to these insignificant little nobodies xx
I grew up in the AUB. So much of this sounds familiar to me. I attended the AUB school between 1973 and 1979. I knew the Watsons and the Barbers, but I was a lot older than anyone on Sister Wives. I left the group in 1984. I hadn't taken the time necessary to analyze the ideological problems. I was only 17. I just knew that what I was seeing was unfair and I was unhappy. That couldn't be right. It takes a lot of courage to discuss this publicly. When you're simply telling your own story people come out of the woodwork to try to discredit your reputation. They can't challenge the truth of the stories told by people like Emily so that's what they do to try to prevent the truth from getting out.
Thank you for your comment. Are you related to Mike, Shane or Cameron Bowles? I know the Watson girls had some run ins with Cameron. Also you are close to Kody’s age. He’s 55
@@WithoutACrystalBall They are my brothers. Cameron was from a different wife, my dad's second. Ultimately he had four but all have left him except my mother, his first wife. Mike, Shane and I are from his first wife. Yes, I suppose I'm not much older than Kody. But I've been out of the group since I was pretty young myself. And at that age it made a big difference. I'm pretty close in age to Meri's oldest brother. Tomorrow I'm turning 57, in fact.
This interview has me super worried about Robyn's older daughters. They've been isolated in a home away from everyone, but Kody and Robyn. Neither one of those people believes in bodily autonomy, and think kody needs to be respected and obeyed above all else. So these 2 young women are trapped in a house with a narcissist that thinks he owns them?!
I have said from the beginning that he treated those two girls … different almost like grooming them and i am afraid Sobyn i mean robyn trusted wayyyyy to fast i am not saying he touched them i don’t know them but i feel they will change views on him for some reason
Can I just say Thank You!! Every time I hear Ex cult members speaking out about cults, it’s awesome!! Being an Ex cult member myself, this NEEDS to be exposed.. great job!! 👏🏼👍🏼💗
@@kellicoulombe1298 - YES!! It’s a very rough journey & the more survivors that speak out, the better!! “Educating” people on how these cults destroy peoples lives is a huge step!! So grateful to everyone who is helping the cause ❣️
I couldn’t agree more with this!! This reminds me so much of Scientology, but even more like the BILP (the Duggar cult). If you haven’t watched Going Clear, about Scientology, or Shiny Happy People, based on the BILP, watch them! Very informative & eye opening.
So grateful for this story and her courage to tell it. I wish Katie would listen more. She interrupted her so many times, often in ways that felt like she’s proving that she knows a lot. It was frustrating as an observer.
Yes, have to agree. Great that she’s obviously done a lot of research and was well prepared and overall it was good but need to fine tune it a bit and hold back to let the other person speak without being interrupted, especially such long interruptions that went off on other tangents and not going back to what she’d interrupted
I felt the same, I feel like a lot of times when she was telling her story she interrupted before we could know what she was going to talk about and the topic was changed.
Omg I grew up same way! Very well explained! I love all people & don’t care what color of skin they have. Love wins! My dad came home 1 or 2 times a week. We were always in fear, same response of the yelling and screaming. We were told when are dad came home to hug him, run up & hug him. It was difficult. I remember when an uncle came to visit he brought a box of Lucky Charms I’d never seen a box of Lucky Charms or ever eaten Lucky Charms. Potato’s and bread, going behind grocery stores, looking in dumpsters to eat! Yes Therapy is key! Yup we were required to call other wives Aunt. The 3rd wife for me was a safe space. She was always loving, kind & cared. My childhood memories are with her. We have a relationship today & I love her.
Thank you so much for sharing this Rose. ❤ I wish you all the best in your journey. Do you mind me asking what group you grew up in? Please don’t feel obligated to answer that. I fully agree with Love Wins!
@@emilylee8809 The Allred group same as Sister Wives. However my Dad never took us to church! Weird and good at same time. I think he just liked having 3 wives.
THE ONLY one rightfully calling out these cults for what they are and has since day one. She’s taken a shite ton of criticism from other youtubers nearly every time she DOES say they are a cult...and yet NEVER once backed down. It takes BALLZ to be the ONLY one to do something like this. Katie with the Crystal Balls! 🔮 🔮
@@janshe3597 - After watching Escaping Polygamy & getting to know the amazing women on that show, I started listening to Amanda Rae’s channel. I agree, she can be a bit all over the place sometimes and intense, but given her upbringing, I think she does amazingly well. The way that she explains the Kingston Group & all the in’s & out’s of it all, has been mind blowing, especially the numbered man piece. She filters very little & often brings on guests, including some of her siblings who have also gotten out.
@liseklerekoper2441 I love to watch Amanda Rae. Glad to see that she is doing the best she can. She gets triggered alot watching Sister Wives. I'm glad those OG3 escape Kody Brown. But honestly they were probably one of the well off polygamist marriage. It's all so bizarre
I’m from Utah, and was raised LDS, I’m currently in the process of getting my name removed from their records. It was so eye opening to realize that a lot of what the AUB believe and teach is so embedded in the state of Utah. From what you’re taught in school, to strangers in line at the grocery store! This was a fantastic interview
@@sjohnson65456 when you grow up in the faith they have your name and information for their record keeping and to help track members! Removing your name helps to remove yourself from any ties to the church! It’s not necessary though
It took me almost 2 years to get mine name removed from the records because each time I moved within a week the missionaries from the new ward would show up at my door looking for me by name even though I was inactive. They are like the IRS following me from state to state. For those that don’t know Ancestry is owned by the LDS church. Records and genealogy are their forte and they know where you are at all times.
Well, we finally understand where Mary gets her controlling behavior. She learned it from her mother. Thank you so much for sharing this with us. This was absolutely incredible
It is most likely an inherited quality passed from generation to generation. It sounds like it could be a family with mental health disorders. I always though Meri acted like she has manic depression.
Sounds like she also witnessed dv growing up and was at least physically abused as a child, if not emotionally/verbally. I think Mary harbors a lot of deep-rooted anger and depression. She probably needs counseling.
Thank you Katie for this interview. I was so naive about polygamy when I started watching Sister Wives. Thank you for educating us about what is really going on. And thank you Emily for sharing your story.
Keep speaking out, you are saving so many women and children. I can’t believe this is allowed in the United States. Religion cannot protect these predators. They need to be exposed and prosecuted. Thank you for all your hard work.
It recently came out that Christine worked all day watching ALL of the children, then had a job in the evening, while she was pregnant. A conflict arose when she wanted Kody to tuck in her kids at night, and he wouldn't do it.
My goodness, Katie. Over 3000 people in chat. I remember when you only had 3000 subscribers. So proud of you and the work you do. So proud of your growth.
I feel so badly for the girls in this cult. I have PTSD from past DV and as I was going through this interview with Emily, I flashed to my own memories of harm. Please, tell Emily that she would be an amazing advocate. She has insight others wouldn't have and the way she shared, she was amazing. She articulated what she saw, how life was growing up, etc... Thanks for sharing this because it was eye opening. Miss Emily, keep speaking your truth and know that you are doing a great job.
Thanks to Emily for her bravery. This was such an excellent interview. Eloquent and so forthright with details that broke my heart. Katie, you are an exceptional human being. This ugliness and horror need to be brought to light- and that’s exactly what you are doing. Stay safe and keep up the amazing job. ❤️
She shared so much truth and enlightening facts about the AUB. I am so glad she felt safe and vulnerable to come and share. Being so brave and vulnerable must be very hard for her.
Emily Lee is so brave! Emily Lee, you don't need to know all the right words to be an advocate and to help people, you have the heart to help people and that is all you need. 💜💜💜💜
Yess...it's time for this to come into play. Not everyone will be happy but...oh well. A step toward the greater good!! Thank you Katie for your hard work and your devotion! You are making a difference. ❤ Thanks to the daughter of the "AUB PROPHET" for your bravery in doing this, i dont think it could have been an easy decision to make...but definitely the right one. IMHO. 😊
I remember my own mom shopping at the Wonder Bread and Hostess stores for "expired" baked goods, powdered milk, canned government meat and government cheese. Occasionally we needed to apply for food stamps, although my mother hated to. We were not AUB. we were just poor. This is how poor people eat, how poor people manage everywhere.
I have emailed Holding out Help from here in Australia, and will organise a monthly recurring donation to them from my bank as soon as I can get to town. They need all our help and do a great job. Thank you ladies for an awesome interview ❤
KATIE This the best bravest honest and most amazing interview! You and your guest interacted in such a natural and comfortable way. You obviously spent the time on factual research and earning the respect of this amazing survivor. I learned sooo much. Thank you for your work!
I’m glad you enjoyed. Emily and I have been speaking for months. It’s been a lot of just allowing her the space to get to know me, decide if she trusts me, and her being ready to do this. I didn’t ask her at all. She said to me a week ago, “I’m ready to do this Katie, let’s do it next week”
Thank you for pulling the curtain aside on the racist, ignorant, harmful practices of these AUB members. Time to stop watching any TLC shows like Sister Wives and to boycott advertisers if TLC continues to profit from this abuse of women and children. We know enough now to stop this horrid show.😢
I think most watch so they can see the downfall of kody and robin. I would watch a spin-off about Christine and Janelle, but I hope that they can enjoy their privacy for a while.
Super interview! My heart just broke for Emily and her childhood and its long term effects. I was amazed at some of the similarities between the Duggars and this group. Thank you, Emily for the bravery in doing this interview. You did a great job, if you were nervous, it didn't show!
It was obvious Kody never liked Truely because she came at a time when he was courting Robin. He was left to babysit and let that child not drink for 3 days was child abuse...and Robin loves him despite him treating all his other children like crap....she's got no soul
And the worst of it is he bullied Christine into having Truely. She had a horrible miscarriage that could have killed her and didn't want to get pregnant again
Thank you for making people aware of what this cult does to women and children. TLC needs to be held accountable for giving these cults a platform. They need to quit doing this.
Thank you for talking about how detrimental to health and development not having access to food is! I have had the longest struggle with eating disorders and obesity after growing up without much.
I’m so glad you bring these cults to light. I have to remember when I was 16 I was making college visits and deciding which ones to apply to. My dad and mom were insistent that we were GOING to go to college after high school. This was back in the 60’s and not every man thought his daughter needed to be educated past high school. In fact my in-laws thought that girls who lived at the dorms were loose. I was very uncomfortable after I realized that was their attitude when I started to date their son!
This is such a extraordinary interview and she is very very brave to step forward giving hugs to her for coming out and speaking the truth... She has the utmost respect.
I find it interesting, that she seemed nervous to be an advocate, because she didn’t think she was well spoken. If she hadn’t told me that she wasn’t college, educated, I would have never known. She spoke professionally!
I have struggled with writing a comment regarding this, it brings back sadness and confusion! I belonged to the LDS Church from 1968 until 1982, when i was excommunicated! STILL to this day i have trouble with the brain washing and absolute power of guilt!
Thank you Katie and Emily, this was a very insightful interview. I wouldn't give Kody Brown any latitude for not being 'as bad' as some of the men Emily spoke about. Lets remember Kody Brown is another of the men who buys into this psychologically and emotionally destructive misogynistic clap trap. Repression of women, and use of women as commodities under the guise of an ideology constructed to serve egotistical male dominance is disgusting regardless of the different personalities practising its doctrine. Keep up the great work Katie ❤
What an eye-opening interview! WOACB, you did a phenomenal job conducting this interview. I would definitely be interested in watching more videos like this from you. Thank you so much for supporting Emily and other cult survivors! Emily, I am so deeply sorry that you went through these things in the AUB, but i am ecstatic that you made it out, now have a beautiful family, and are sharing your experience. You are incredibly well spoken and I know you could be an advocate for others, speak out, or do absolutely anything you set your mind to. You're an asset to the "real world". 🙂 Best wishes!
I thoroughly enjoyed this interview I hope you do it again and I hope you can get her back on another interview. I’m a 70 year old grandmother, I wish I could have reached in and given Emily a huge hug. She did an amazing job, it she was nervous it didn’t show. I truly hope she comes back again!! Katie you always go above and beyond to help people, that’s why I love your site and will always respect you and the work you do!! You’re amazing!!
Thanks for this information and I hope the truth continues to come out and yes TLC needs to catch some wrath for this Kody craziness 😢and yes therapy will be needed and I hope that the healing truly begins!!
A fascinating interview. Thank you both! There was new information that I hadn't known previously, but I think what I most appreciate is the sense of context that Emily was able to give. While I might have already known some piece of information, I didn't really *KNOW* or understand the knock on effects or the many ramifications that a belief would have. Emily sharing her story helped with this a lot. Again, thank you!
Thank you for sharing your experiences, Ms. Lee. After watching the fallout from so many cults, I know this must have been a difficult experience for you. The good news is that your story is out there, and it WILL help others. You are not alone here on the "outside". Breathe and learn to trust your own gut & heart, you will figure it all out. Thank you, Katie. Fantastic interview!
So amazed by you and others speaking out to ensure you do all you can to help others not have to keep being abused. Thank you and it is very brave and inspiring!!
Life after leaving a cult is so difficult. You don't get the "normal" family relationships that you've been taught FROM BIRTH are the most important parts of your life. It's hard to feel like you can't talk to people who abused you, and who brain-washed you. It's hard to find a way to rationalize the things you need to ignore to have ANY relationships. It's HARD, in a different way from what anyone who hasn't been there can comprehend. There is so much community out here of former children of cultists, we need to share our support and our stories and make our own families.
With trauma counseling, you can get through this. It is a difficult path, but in time, you can come to fully accept and love yourself, not in the light of your abusers and all of the indescribable controls that you had to endure, but in the beautiful essence of the way God created you to be. I am truly sorry for all of the trauma and pain you have gown through, Jennifer.
Katie, this was so insightful and informative. Emily seemed so nervous to begin with but you made her feel comfortable as the interview went on. I truly appreciate how open she was with her past; living as a child in the polygamist cult. I’m so sorry that she had to live through the abuse and isolation, but I’m so glad that she found a husband who is also a good father. Shouldn’t you be proud of your beliefs and your life instead of being encouraged to lie about what is real. How did she remember all the do’s and don’t’s? I send her love and encouragement as she moves on with her life. ❤
@@sahawk0709 Agreed, probably even better. I was referring to how amazingly polished of a presenter she is & her diction etc. A really impressive woman. I just pulled the, “ Harvard” thing out of nowhere. 🤷♀️✌🏼
@@angiepattillo3599 I agree, I should probably delete this comment as I think it may be rubbing people the wrong way. My intent was to give support to Emily, who expressed some concern over this. I was genuinely blown away by her. I am not fancy nor do I think a degree from anywhere is necessary.
Katie, thanks for nuturing Emily to come forward and tell her truth. Her revelations have helped me understand many of the Brown's behaviors. It brings to light once again the dominance of men over women and children. Women like you will keep the fight for freedom front and center. Thank you! ❤
Great interview. She is very brave speaking out. I have been watching your videos of the duggers also. I can not believe how these two are so similar. It is crazy!
Incredible interview! So informative, and Emily did a phenomenal job for being nervous. Honestly the two of you were great together, I could watch more of you two!
Thanks for sharing. I didn't watch many of the episodes of Sister Wives because I knew they weren't presenting the whole story. I was waiting for them to fall apart, which they did.
So brave to share these experiences. I tried to keep an open mind when the Browns started their show, but I quickly realized it was fake. All the jealousy, DV, and horrible stories about polygamy are the sad truth. Praying that more people will come out of these cults.
Thank you both for your honesty and bravery! I’m sending you love, healing and protective energy, and prayers. You are both amazing strong women and and an inspiration. Thank you so much!!!
Emily Lee I just want you to know how brave you are and what a wonderful job you did sharing your story. We have a loving God that respects women and children as well as men. I pray for you and your family as you continue healing. You are an inspiration to so many caught up in cults!. Blessings to you. Thank you Katie for sharing Emily's story and truths!
Wow! Emily, you are AMAZING 👏 Thank you so much for having the courage to tell your story. Never stop speaking your truth❤ That was an eye opening interview, well done ladies, well done 👏
I had to comment on this video because of your continuing expert investigative ‘deep dive’ into polygamy. The world should hear this one. Please let your guest know that she IS articulate, intelligent, and proficient in this topic and CAN be an effective advocate against this deceitful CULT. Thank you for this powerful and informative edition.🎉🎉🎉
Oh my goodness! This is the best interview ever; it should be made into a documentary for tv. Great questions, and I applaud the interviewee and pray for healing for she, her siblings and family members. Wow! I am not even done with it yet, but it is a powerful interview.
One miscarriage for every 3-4 pregnancies is common. That's what my Dr told me when I miscarried in 2009. Wow. Praying for these women and children. It's heart wrenching to think about all they go through. I never thought about the mass child birth until now, honestly. What that does to a woman's body, specifically. I couldn't imagine. Thank you both so much for being a voice for the voiceless. God bless.
I would wonder how so many pregnancies would effect the babies health as well. Wouldn't an unhealthy mother have an unhealthy baby? Or, would the babies just take everything from the mother leaving her run down pregnancy after pregnancy. I wouldn't breed a dog like that
FYI the rates of miscarriage are much higher when dealing with infertility and being prone to miscarriages. I have dealt with infertility and miscarriages. I have have 7 bebies in Heaven and two children living with me hear on Earth. We decided to quit trying to have more children. Unfortunately many husbands won't let their wives quit trying to have more children.
My Grama had 10 children born and several miscarridges . She walked bent over holding the furniture and me , going slow. I wondered , Why? That fourth pregnacy Big baby , and I knew Why! I changed my center of gravity. The fith baby , my arches gave up and fell! All worth it!!!
All my grama 's children were very healthy and lived long happy lives! Grama was healthy and worked hard all her life . Only in her late 70's did she slow down . She enjoyed her life . Her grandchildren were all benefitted and apparently we all felt very much loved by "Grama"
I sympathize so much! Being raised in a cult & being so indoctrinated & having a brain that’s hard wired with cult mentality can be so difficult! The only way to explain it is, it’s like being in a foreign country & not speaking the language. I can try to explain it to the outsiders & they just can’t “get it”. It’s definitely like starting at 0. Cults are past down from generation to generation unless us Ex members end the cycle!! Very well done 👍🏼
Thank you thank you thank you! Katie, I appreciate all of your time & work on this subject. Emily, I’m sending you love & strength. You are so brave! I know how scary it is to talk about this stuff, and I want you to know how important you are. By speaking up you are giving others courage & permission to share their stories! 💪🧡🙏
Thankyou Emily, for sharing your story! I hope you never have to be afraid to tell your truth and can just be the person you are meant to be! You are believed, and there are many good people in the world that care about you & your well-being!❤
Thank you for watching this important interview. Emily Lee shares her harrowing story of being raised in the Apostolic United Brethren. Her father, David Watson, is the current prophet of the cult.
Emily wants everyone to know that there is help available if you need to leave Polygamy. She relied on the Holding Out Help in the years after she fled the abusive cult.
If you need help or need to leave, please go here: holdingouthelp.org
If you are local in Utah, Holding Out Help is in need of volunteers, safe houses, and supplies for adults and children that flee these groups.
If you wish to donate to the group that helped save Emily, please click here:
holdingouthelp.networkforgood.com//
Please help Emily’s story be heard by liking, commenting and sharing this video. The more people that see this the higher likelihood that this will reach someone trapped inside.
Thanks for listening, giving space for Emily. Thanks to Emily for her bravery sharing her story, and for trusting WOACB to help her tell that story.
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Katie
It was great.
I’m watching this at 4am! Great interview Katie!!
Emily is right, thought! The gene pool is very sha!low in Utah!!!
Emily, you are very well spoken and you would be an excellent advocate 💜💜
Maybe another century will bring humanity back 😢
I have really struggled to watch Sister wives, since I'm often triggered, being a former plural wife. I have recently, after a lot of healing, watched some, and feel such love and respect for Meri, Christine, and Janelle. Christine is my cousin, and Meri was a childhood friend. My heart aches for their grief and abandonment. I have experienced that. And I am so happy for them, but there is a LOT of healing ahead for them. So much love for those who have awakened to the truth.
Bless you
Funny that they don’t “trust the government “, but yet many don’t hesitate to take government benefits like EBT and Medicaid
I don't think they ever really knew that EBT and Medicaid are government assistance for the poor. I think they just talk about the government is "evil" but when trying to survive and feed a dozen kids, they will do whatever it takes to keep them all alive.
They call it bleeding the beast. They believe the government is corrupt so it's ok to steal from it
Not trusting the government and taking freebies are two separate things though. Unless you simply mean as far as them being potentially tracked.
Fundies often refer to this as “bleeding the beast”.
I’m here for all the exposing! TLC should have some accountability when giving a plate form to all the cults!
Thank you Emily
TLC has never cared about anything besides revenue.
Definitely. TLC is promoting these shows where kids are being exploited. Viewers need to stop watching. Enough of this crap
I agree 10000000% This crap promotes a lifestyle of abuse, neglect, racism and incest. And it's VILE!
What makes me angry at them is that they have to know abuse is taking place. Kody’s tantrums should come with a trigger warning, because that is abuse. It doesn’t have to be physical to be abuse. Psychological abuse is harder to see, but no abuse can take place without the brainwashing and gaslighting.
Men yelling at me just about makes my heart stop, as I have CPTSD. Kody uses his anger and verbal abuse to manipulate his wives and children. It infuriates me that that behavior is normalized.
Thanks, you two awesome, amazing women for speaking out about the harms and insanities of religious /traditional polygamy! Everyone needs to hear this and more.
Thanks for being such a huge inspiration to Emily.
Thank you Kristyn for paving the way and being so loving and kind!!! You’re such an inspiration!
It sounds all too familiar. 💔 Best wishes to Emily and her children.
Thank you Kristyn, Katie and Emily!!! Sharing this is so important 💝
Thank you Kristyn, Katie and Emily!!! Sharing this is so important 💝
I’ve known Emily for over 20 years. It’s so nice to hear her talk about her experience with the cult and leaving it. I’ve only known her as a wonderful Mother and Wife. She is a wonderful speaker. She has always been advanced in her vocabulary and how she conducts herself. Much love to you Emily!
She did a fantastic job! ❤
Wonderful to hear!
Love, & Light, & Brightest Blessings to her, & her children, & all those she Loves. 💗
My grandkids are mixed and the thought of anyone speaking about them as if they are less than human makes me sick. They are the light of my life, smart, gorgeous, funny, amazing kids.
They are mixed ?
How is that relevant
@@tinacrees656ikr!!! It kind of proves to me that she thinks whatever they are mixed with is inferior to what she is. I think thou protest too much……😂😂😂
My granddaughter is mixed race too, and I can honestly say that I don’t care what lowlife people like this think of her. She’s beautiful, she’s kind, she’s sassy and intelligent, and the opinion’s of people like this, (racists) literally don’t matter. Don’t assign your beautiful grandkids worth to these insignificant little nobodies xx
Kody Brown and people like him do not like or associate with black people
I grew up in the AUB. So much of this sounds familiar to me. I attended the AUB school between 1973 and 1979. I knew the Watsons and the Barbers, but I was a lot older than anyone on Sister Wives. I left the group in 1984. I hadn't taken the time necessary to analyze the ideological problems. I was only 17. I just knew that what I was seeing was unfair and I was unhappy. That couldn't be right.
It takes a lot of courage to discuss this publicly. When you're simply telling your own story people come out of the woodwork to try to discredit your reputation. They can't challenge the truth of the stories told by people like Emily so that's what they do to try to prevent the truth from getting out.
Thank you for your comment. Are you related to Mike, Shane or Cameron Bowles? I know the Watson girls had some run ins with Cameron. Also you are close to Kody’s age. He’s 55
@@WithoutACrystalBall They are my brothers. Cameron was from a different wife, my dad's second. Ultimately he had four but all have left him except my mother, his first wife. Mike, Shane and I are from his first wife. Yes, I suppose I'm not much older than Kody. But I've been out of the group since I was pretty young myself. And at that age it made a big difference. I'm pretty close in age to Meri's oldest brother. Tomorrow I'm turning 57, in fact.
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I hope people speaking out about these abusive cults will encourage more and more people to tell about their horrific experiences and leave for good.
This interview has me super worried about Robyn's older daughters. They've been isolated in a home away from everyone, but Kody and Robyn. Neither one of those people believes in bodily autonomy, and think kody needs to be respected and obeyed above all else. So these 2 young women are trapped in a house with a narcissist that thinks he owns them?!
You would not be the only one worried about her girls
I'm thinking it's likely that they've probably been taught to expect to get married at a young age, and possibly go into polygamy.
However they are not living Polygamy. Just brought up by 2 misfits. Without the show, those two creatures are nothing.
I have said from the beginning that he treated those two girls … different almost like grooming them and i am afraid Sobyn i mean robyn trusted wayyyyy to fast i am not saying he touched them i don’t know them but i feel they will change views on him for some reason
Well the older girl has a guy friend from school
Can I just say Thank You!! Every time I hear Ex cult members speaking out about cults, it’s awesome!! Being an Ex cult member myself, this NEEDS to be exposed.. great job!! 👏🏼👍🏼💗
💯!! And survivors are not given enough credit
@@kellicoulombe1298 - YES!! It’s a very rough journey & the more survivors that speak out, the better!! “Educating” people on how these cults destroy peoples lives is a huge step!! So grateful to everyone who is helping the cause ❣️
I couldn’t agree more with this!! This reminds me so much of Scientology, but even more like the BILP (the Duggar cult). If you haven’t watched Going Clear, about Scientology, or Shiny Happy People, based on the BILP, watch them! Very informative & eye opening.
@@BumblleBee69 Scientology is just as diabolcal as polygamy!
So grateful for this story and her courage to tell it. I wish Katie would listen more. She interrupted her so many times, often in ways that felt like she’s proving that she knows a lot. It was frustrating as an observer.
Yes, have to agree. Great that she’s obviously done a lot of research and was well prepared and overall it was good but need to fine tune it a bit and hold back to let the other person speak without being interrupted, especially such long interruptions that went off on other tangents and not going back to what she’d interrupted
I felt the same, I feel like a lot of times when she was telling her story she interrupted before we could know what she was going to talk about and the topic was changed.
I agree. I get frustrated when the hostess keeps interrupting like it is their story to tell. Let the guest talk, she was excellent.
Agreed
Clearly the guest was comfortable
thank you for not letting go of the racist aspect of this cult. people either deny it, glaze over it, or excuse it away. i’m glad that you won’t. ❤
Yes, it's a major part of the religions origin story.
Omg I grew up same way! Very well explained!
I love all people & don’t care what color of skin they have. Love wins!
My dad came home 1 or 2 times a week. We were always in fear, same response of the yelling and screaming. We were told when are dad came home to hug him, run up & hug him. It was difficult.
I remember when an uncle came to visit he brought a box of Lucky Charms I’d never seen a box of Lucky Charms or ever eaten Lucky Charms.
Potato’s and bread, going behind grocery stores, looking in dumpsters to eat!
Yes Therapy is key!
Yup we were required to call other wives Aunt.
The 3rd wife for me was a safe space. She was always loving, kind & cared. My childhood memories are with her. We have a relationship today & I love her.
Thank you so much for sharing this Rose. ❤ I wish you all the best in your journey. Do you mind me asking what group you grew up in? Please don’t feel obligated to answer that. I fully agree with Love Wins!
@@emilylee8809 The Allred group same as Sister Wives. However my Dad never took us to church! Weird and good at same time. I think he just liked having 3 wives.
THE ONLY one rightfully calling out these cults for what they are and has since day one. She’s taken a shite ton of criticism from other youtubers nearly every time she DOES say they are a cult...and yet NEVER once backed down. It takes BALLZ to be the ONLY one to do something like this. Katie with the Crystal Balls! 🔮 🔮
@@janshe3597 - After watching Escaping Polygamy & getting to know the amazing women on that show, I started listening to Amanda Rae’s channel. I agree, she can be a bit all over the place sometimes and intense, but given her upbringing, I think she does amazingly well. The way that she explains the Kingston Group & all the in’s & out’s of it all, has been mind blowing, especially the numbered man piece. She filters very little & often brings on guests, including some of her siblings who have also gotten out.
This is entertainment to WACB
@liseklerekoper2441 I love to watch Amanda Rae. Glad to see that she is doing the best she can. She gets triggered alot watching Sister Wives. I'm glad those OG3 escape Kody Brown. But honestly they were probably one of the well off polygamist marriage. It's all so bizarre
There’s also cult to consciousness
And she has a lot of this kind of stuff on and she’s good
I’m from Utah, and was raised LDS, I’m currently in the process of getting my name removed from their records. It was so eye opening to realize that a lot of what the AUB believe and teach is so embedded in the state of Utah. From what you’re taught in school, to strangers in line at the grocery store! This was a fantastic interview
Congratulations on leaving the LDS cult
What does that mean, getting your name removed from records? I've heard/read that a few times lately. Why is that necessary?
@@sjohnson65456 when you grow up in the faith they have your name and information for their record keeping and to help track members! Removing your name helps to remove yourself from any ties to the church! It’s not necessary though
It took me almost 2 years to get mine name removed from the records because each time I moved within a week the missionaries from the new ward would show up at my door looking for me by name even though I was inactive. They are like the IRS following me from state to state. For those that don’t know Ancestry is owned by the LDS church. Records and genealogy are their forte and they know where you are at all times.
@@UnderExposedKate OMG!!! That’s not creepy at all! 😱🥴😳
Well, we finally understand where Mary gets her controlling behavior. She learned it from her mother. Thank you so much for sharing this with us. This was absolutely incredible
It is most likely an inherited quality passed from generation to generation. It sounds like it could be a family with mental health disorders. I always though Meri acted like she has manic depression.
Sounds like she also witnessed dv growing up and was at least physically abused as a child, if not emotionally/verbally. I think Mary harbors a lot of deep-rooted anger and depression. She probably needs counseling.
I just think of how she would get so angry at Mykelti for what she was wearing.
Meri’s mom was a sweet lady, all the women and children loved her
Thank you Katie for this interview. I was so naive about polygamy when I started watching Sister Wives. Thank you for educating us about what is really going on. And thank you Emily for sharing your story.
Katie good job , CAN'T help sorry for these people 🙏.
Keep speaking out, you are saving so many women and children. I can’t believe this is allowed in the United States. Religion cannot protect these predators. They need to be exposed and prosecuted. Thank you for all your hard work.
It recently came out that Christine worked all day watching ALL of the children, then had a job in the evening, while she was pregnant. A conflict arose when she wanted Kody to tuck in her kids at night, and he wouldn't do it.
No wonder most of the kids drifted away from a real relationship with him.
My goodness, Katie. Over 3000 people in chat. I remember when you only had 3000 subscribers. So proud of you and the work you do. So proud of your growth.
I'd like to second the crap outta this comment. 🙂👍
Agreed! Sometimes I feel like a proud virtual mom 😂
I feel so badly for the girls in this cult. I have PTSD from past DV and as I was going through this interview with Emily, I flashed to my own memories of harm. Please, tell Emily that she would be an amazing advocate. She has insight others wouldn't have and the way she shared, she was amazing. She articulated what she saw, how life was growing up, etc... Thanks for sharing this because it was eye opening. Miss Emily, keep speaking your truth and know that you are doing a great job.
Thanks to Emily for her bravery. This was such an excellent interview. Eloquent and so forthright with details that broke my heart. Katie, you are an exceptional human being. This ugliness and horror need to be brought to light- and that’s exactly what you are doing. Stay safe and keep up the amazing job. ❤️
Thank you for interviewing Emily and continuing to expose the worst of religious cults. This is work that matters
She shared so much truth and enlightening facts about the AUB. I am so glad she felt safe and vulnerable to come and share. Being so brave and vulnerable must be very hard for her.
Emily Lee is so brave! Emily Lee, you don't need to know all the right words to be an advocate and to help people, you have the heart to help people and that is all you need. 💜💜💜💜
Yess...it's time for this to come into play.
Not everyone will be happy but...oh well. A step toward the greater good!! Thank you Katie for your hard work and your devotion! You are making a difference. ❤
Thanks to the daughter of the "AUB PROPHET" for your bravery in doing this, i dont think it could have been an easy decision to make...but definitely the right one. IMHO. 😊
I remember my own mom shopping at the Wonder Bread and Hostess stores for "expired" baked goods, powdered milk, canned government meat and government cheese. Occasionally we needed to apply for food stamps, although my mother hated to. We were not AUB. we were just poor. This is how poor people eat,
how poor people manage everywhere.
This is actually a really good idea. Sister Wives has run it's course and it's gonna be all down hill from here on out I think. 😊
Agreed!
I have emailed Holding out Help from here in Australia, and will organise a monthly recurring donation to them from my bank as soon as I can get to town. They need all our help and do a great job.
Thank you ladies for an awesome interview ❤
Thank you so much Carol!!! Your donation will help so many. I greatly appreciate you!
Order Kristen’s book, it supports these women & it’s really good! 😊
@@traciezolman9212 I have. I’m reading it now! It’s really good.
@@carolfulton-kennedy2482 I was up till 2:00 AM, lol
KATIE This the best bravest honest and most amazing interview! You and your guest interacted in such a natural and comfortable way. You obviously spent the time on factual research and earning the respect of this amazing survivor. I learned sooo much. Thank you for your work!
I’m glad you enjoyed. Emily and I have been speaking for months. It’s been a lot of just allowing her the space to get to know me, decide if she trusts me, and her being ready to do this. I didn’t ask her at all. She said to me a week ago, “I’m ready to do this Katie, let’s do it next week”
Such a great interview. I’m an attorney and work with women leaving abusive relationships. You both did an amazing job being open and honest.
Thank you Katie and Emily for this interview
It really shows light on this cult..it's so sad for the wives and the children..
Thank you, Emily, for telling your story, and thank you Katie, for providing the platform. This is so powerful and will help so many people ❤
Katie, please make sure Emily receives all of our messages and well wishes for her bravery and strength.
Thank you for pulling the curtain aside on the racist, ignorant, harmful practices of these AUB members. Time to stop watching any TLC shows like Sister Wives and to boycott advertisers if TLC continues to profit from this abuse of women and children. We know enough now to stop this horrid show.😢
I agree with you 100%!!
I think most watch so they can see the downfall of kody and robin. I would watch a spin-off about Christine and Janelle, but I hope that they can enjoy their privacy for a while.
Super interview! My heart just broke for Emily and her childhood and its long term effects. I was amazed at some of the similarities between the Duggars and this group. Thank you, Emily for the bravery in doing this interview. You did a great job, if you were nervous, it didn't show!
Oh my word😢. This is such a reservation. Someone needs to intervene and save Robyn's children l. I am so concerned and sad❤
It was obvious Kody never liked Truely because she came at a time when he was courting Robin. He was left to babysit and let that child not drink for 3 days was child abuse...and Robin loves him despite him treating all his other children like crap....she's got no soul
Really? That’s sick😢
If Christine had not come home when she did, Truly most likely would have died or had serious kidney damage. He’s a horrible man.
Well, Christine was pregnant before Sobin was in the picture, so Kody is a big 🍆.......yeah, just saying.
And the worst of it is he bullied Christine into having Truely. She had a horrible miscarriage that could have killed her and didn't want to get pregnant again
Look at what Robyn did to her ex husband. She alienated him from their kids life. She is one sick person.
Emily, you are fabulous! Thank you for teaching and advocating! And Katie, thank you so much for continuing to bring out the truth.
Emily Lee - You DO have the vocabulary - you are a very good public speaker!!!!! Follow your Dream, be an ADVOCATE! Much love to you!!!
I don’t feel that our Father in Heaven cares or sees what we wear, I personally feel that he cares for what’s in our heart and soul.
So very true! All these restrictive and repressive rules are made by man.
Man looks at the outer appearance, but God judges the heart.
I agree 100%!! ❤
Amen
Thank you for making people aware of what this cult does to women and children. TLC needs to be held accountable for giving these cults a platform. They need to quit doing this.
Thank you for talking about how detrimental to health and development not having access to food is! I have had the longest struggle with eating disorders and obesity after growing up without much.
I’m so glad you bring these cults to light. I have to remember when I was 16 I was making college visits and deciding which ones to apply to. My dad and mom were insistent that we were GOING to go to college after high school. This was back in the 60’s and not every man thought his daughter needed to be educated past high school. In fact my in-laws thought that girls who lived at the dorms were loose. I was very uncomfortable after I realized that was their attitude when I started to date their son!
This is such a extraordinary interview and she is very very brave to step forward giving hugs to her for coming out and speaking the truth... She has the utmost respect.
I find it interesting, that she seemed nervous to be an advocate, because she didn’t think she was well spoken. If she hadn’t told me that she wasn’t college, educated, I would have never known. She spoke professionally!
This was an amazing interview and she is so strong for speaking out. Thank you, Katie!
I have struggled with writing a comment regarding this, it brings back sadness and confusion! I belonged to the LDS Church from 1968 until 1982, when i was excommunicated! STILL to this day i have trouble with the brain washing and absolute power of guilt!
I’m sorry you went through that. I hope you’re doing well today. ❤❤ 😁❤️
Thank you Katie and Emily, this was a very insightful interview. I wouldn't give Kody Brown any latitude for not being 'as bad' as some of the men Emily spoke about. Lets remember Kody Brown is another of the men who buys into this psychologically and emotionally destructive misogynistic clap trap. Repression of women, and use of women as commodities under the guise of an ideology constructed to serve egotistical male dominance is disgusting regardless of the different personalities practising its doctrine. Keep up the great work Katie ❤
What an eye-opening interview! WOACB, you did a phenomenal job conducting this interview. I would definitely be interested in watching more videos like this from you. Thank you so much for supporting Emily and other cult survivors!
Emily, I am so deeply sorry that you went through these things in the AUB, but i am ecstatic that you made it out, now have a beautiful family, and are sharing your experience. You are incredibly well spoken and I know you could be an advocate for others, speak out, or do absolutely anything you set your mind to. You're an asset to the "real world". 🙂 Best wishes!
I thoroughly enjoyed this interview I hope you do it again and I hope you can get her back on another interview. I’m a 70 year old grandmother, I wish I could have reached in and given Emily a huge hug. She did an amazing job, it she was nervous it didn’t show. I truly hope she comes back again!!
Katie you always go above and beyond to help people, that’s why I love your site and will always respect you and the work you do!! You’re amazing!!
Thanks to you and Emily for explaining the part of Sister Wives we never saw; what MOTIVATES women to be in this abusive situation.
Debbie Kerekes:
They’re motivated by their own Mums😢
@@shanny4306 so true
@@shanny4306 I wish my mama would.... lol.
Thanks for this information and I hope the truth continues to come out and yes TLC needs to catch some wrath for this Kody craziness 😢and yes therapy will be needed and I hope that the healing truly begins!!
A fascinating interview. Thank you both! There was new information that I hadn't known previously, but I think what I most appreciate is the sense of context that Emily was able to give. While I might have already known some piece of information, I didn't really *KNOW* or understand the knock on effects or the many ramifications that a belief would have. Emily sharing her story helped with this a lot. Again, thank you!
Thank you for sharing your experiences, Ms. Lee. After watching the fallout from so many cults, I know this must have been a difficult experience for you. The good news is that your story is out there, and it WILL help others. You are not alone here on the "outside". Breathe and learn to trust your own gut & heart, you will figure it all out.
Thank you, Katie. Fantastic interview!
So amazed by you and others speaking out to ensure you do all you can to help others not have to keep being abused. Thank you and it is very brave and inspiring!!
Emily has the vocabulary to be an advocate. She has this. So brave to speak up. ❤
Life after leaving a cult is so difficult. You don't get the "normal" family relationships that you've been taught FROM BIRTH are the most important parts of your life. It's hard to feel like you can't talk to people who abused you, and who brain-washed you. It's hard to find a way to rationalize the things you need to ignore to have ANY relationships. It's HARD, in a different way from what anyone who hasn't been there can comprehend.
There is so much community out here of former children of cultists, we need to share our support and our stories and make our own families.
With trauma counseling, you can get through this. It is a difficult path, but in time, you can come to fully accept and love yourself, not in the light of your abusers and all of the indescribable controls that you had to endure, but in the beautiful essence of the way God created you to be. I am truly sorry for all of the trauma and pain you have gown through, Jennifer.
This was very informative. Thank you for sharing. It is incomprehensible that this has been hidden from the public. So sad.
Thank you so much for giving other women and children out there HOPE! What an amazing woman you are!
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽love this interview. So sad and shocking to hear of the DV.
Please let’s get innocent children protected and away from these evil men!
Such a powerful testimony. I’m in awe of your strength and courage to share what you’ve gone through.
Katie, this was so insightful and informative. Emily seemed so nervous to begin with but you made her feel comfortable as the interview went on. I truly appreciate how open she was with her past; living as a child in the polygamist cult. I’m so sorry that she had to live through the abuse and isolation, but I’m so glad that she found a husband who is also a good father.
Shouldn’t you be proud of your beliefs and your life instead of being encouraged to lie about what is real. How did she remember all the do’s and don’t’s? I send her love and encouragement as she moves on with her life. ❤
For not having a formal education, Emily presents herself like a Harvard graduate 💕
Sometimes the best education is real life
@@sahawk0709 Agreed, probably even better. I was referring to how amazingly polished of a presenter she is & her diction etc. A really impressive woman. I just pulled the, “ Harvard” thing out of nowhere. 🤷♀️✌🏼
I don't know if this is an insult to Emily or to Harvard.
Public education leaves much to be desired. Being without it doesn't make us idiots, or unteachable, as we go through life.
@@angiepattillo3599 I agree, I should probably delete this comment as I think it may be rubbing people the wrong way. My intent was to give support to Emily, who expressed some concern over this. I was genuinely blown away by her. I am not fancy nor do I think a degree from anywhere is necessary.
That gets my vote! Cancel ! Give Janelle and Christine a show all their own.
Thank you for bringing light to the subject and sharing your experience. I just can't imagine being afraid of my dad.
Thank you Emily for being brave enough to share your story.
Katie, thanks for nuturing Emily to come forward and tell her truth. Her revelations have helped me understand many of the Brown's behaviors. It brings to light once again the dominance of men over women and children. Women like you will keep the fight for freedom front and center. Thank you! ❤
I love how they’re SO anti-government, yet don’t hesitate to get that government assistance!! No hypocrisy at all…🙄🙄
Thank you Emily! You're doing a great thing by sharing your story...
Great interview. She is very brave speaking out. I have been watching your videos of the duggers also. I can not believe how these two are so similar. It is crazy!
Emily, I was still playing with my Barbie dolls when I was twelve. You are so brave to speak out about all of this. Please keep doing it.
Fantastic interview. Emily should not underestimate herself for being an advocate. She was very informative and well spoken. Great job.
I’m a horse/ farm girl & they have turned these women & children into livestock. Seriously.
Isn't it though. So sad
Thank you so much for this interview. It was so informative. Great job Katie!
Incredible interview! So informative, and Emily did a phenomenal job for being nervous. Honestly the two of you were great together, I could watch more of you two!
Katie you are doing an amazing job. Thank God you are so dedicated to helping these people and bringing these things to light.
Thank you for sharing! I think it’s important to spread the message that help exists for people in situation of abuse. I’m glad to know it exists!!!
Thanks for sharing. I didn't watch many of the episodes of Sister Wives because I knew they weren't presenting the whole story. I was waiting for them to fall apart, which they did.
Katie, Absolutely Great Interview!!! I hope this Opens a lot of door's for these people to
Escape These Cults!!!!!!!!!!!!
So brave to share these experiences. I tried to keep an open mind when the Browns started their show, but I quickly realized it was fake. All the jealousy, DV, and horrible stories about polygamy are the sad truth. Praying that more people will come out of these cults.
Thank you both for your honesty and bravery! I’m sending you love, healing and protective energy, and prayers. You are both amazing strong women and and an inspiration. Thank you so much!!!
Emily Lee I just want you to know how brave you are and what a wonderful job you did sharing your story. We have a loving God that respects women and children as well as men. I pray for you and your family as you continue healing. You are an inspiration to so many caught up in cults!. Blessings to you. Thank you Katie for sharing Emily's story and truths!
Wow! Emily, you are AMAZING 👏 Thank you so much for having the courage to tell your story. Never stop speaking your truth❤ That was an eye opening interview, well done ladies, well done 👏
thank you emily for telling your truth! your are so strong and a beautiful person for knowing your story needed to be told and an maybe help others!!
Thank you both! Sharing is so important!!
I had to comment on this video because of your continuing expert investigative ‘deep dive’ into polygamy. The world should hear this one. Please let your guest know that she IS articulate, intelligent, and proficient in this topic and CAN be an effective advocate against this deceitful CULT. Thank you for this powerful and informative edition.🎉🎉🎉
Imagine being 12 and responsible for 9 other kids and expected to keep a clean house FFS
When I worked in a daycare it was illegal to have more than six little ones under our care
Thank you Emily!! You are so brave for coming forward and telling your story🙏❤️🙏❤️
Oh my goodness! This is the best interview ever; it should be made into a documentary for tv. Great questions, and I applaud the interviewee and pray for healing for she, her siblings and family members. Wow! I am not even done with it yet, but it is a powerful interview.
This was a wonderful podcast/interview. Thank you both very much!
What an educational conversation you had with your guest. She had the nerves to speak up!!!👏👏👏 to both of you.
I’d like to start a help initiative,for those trying to leave religious groups. My heart aches for those trying to get free!
Please see the pinned comment
I’m in Texas. And have left the religious cult I was born into. I would love to help others.
One that currently exist is " holding out hope,."
@@debbieaylaian2402 Do you mean 'Holding Out Help'?
@@debbieaylaian2402 thank you 🙏🏻
One miscarriage for every 3-4 pregnancies is common. That's what my Dr told me when I miscarried in 2009. Wow. Praying for these women and children. It's heart wrenching to think about all they go through. I never thought about the mass child birth until now, honestly. What that does to a woman's body, specifically. I couldn't imagine. Thank you both so much for being a voice for the voiceless. God bless.
I would wonder how so many pregnancies would effect the babies health as well. Wouldn't an unhealthy mother have an unhealthy baby? Or, would the babies just take everything from the mother leaving her run down pregnancy after pregnancy. I wouldn't breed a dog like that
I don't know. I would guess the latter. Or, a mixture of both sickly babies and mom's.
FYI the rates of miscarriage are much higher when dealing with infertility and being prone to miscarriages. I have dealt with infertility and miscarriages. I have have 7 bebies in Heaven and two children living with me hear on Earth. We decided to quit trying to have more children. Unfortunately many husbands won't let their wives quit trying to have more children.
My Grama had 10 children born and several miscarridges .
She walked bent over holding the furniture and me , going slow. I wondered , Why?
That fourth pregnacy Big baby , and I knew Why!
I changed my center of gravity.
The fith baby ,
my arches gave up and fell!
All worth it!!!
All my grama 's children were very healthy and lived long happy lives!
Grama was healthy and worked hard all her life . Only in her late 70's did she slow down .
She enjoyed her life . Her grandchildren were all benefitted and apparently we all felt very much loved by
"Grama"
I sympathize so much! Being raised in a cult & being so indoctrinated & having a brain that’s hard wired with cult mentality can be so difficult! The only way to explain it is, it’s like being in a foreign country & not speaking the language. I can try to explain it to the outsiders & they just can’t “get it”. It’s definitely like starting at 0. Cults are past down from generation to generation unless us Ex members end the cycle!! Very well done 👍🏼
Thank you thank you thank you! Katie, I appreciate all of your time & work on this subject. Emily, I’m sending you love & strength. You are so brave! I know how scary it is to talk about this stuff, and I want you to know how important you are. By speaking up you are giving others courage & permission to share their stories! 💪🧡🙏
Excellent interview and info. Thanks Katie and Emily you did wonderfully, I really appreciate your sharing!
Wow!! Fantastic interview and thank you!!
Thankyou Emily, for sharing your story!
I hope you never have to be afraid to tell your truth and can just be the person you are meant to be! You are believed, and there are many good people in the world that care about you & your well-being!❤
What a great interview, thankyou ladies for exposing this