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Great. This episode is sponsored by a Company that sells Razors and is presented by a bloke who is noted for his luxuriant beard. Gives a new meaning to the word 'Irony.'
Great update as always Jack, @NSF crew! These are so appreciated, and informative. Of all the developments this week, seeing the Raptor-3 fired up is probably the highlight! "Works pretty good for a partially assembled engine." DANG! Does it ever! Getting excited for IFT5, definitely. As this rocket gears up for full scale production, we are going to see more and more flights regularly out of there. All the progress is amazing! Thanks y'all!
@HensonShaving really knocked it out of the park with this sponsorship! Who better to represent your brand but "I'm not shaving till flight 5" Jack! He even removed his hat and neck gator for the spot, so we could see that gorgeously smooth as a baby's bottom neck of his - and I got to tell you, I was SOLD! I bought four sets!! Thanks @NASASpaceflight !
During shooting the footage of the spin prime, there must have been some wicked thermal effects at play. Ship #30 looked like it was swaying from side to side. It's amazing how much the soup we breathe can impact what we see. Great show, as usual. Thank you.
Thanks for all the ideas. The only thing I could think of was a mirage-like effect, since the pointy-end was moving significantly more than the flamey-end.
I Told You they Needed a Flame Trench! As an Old Boomer who saw the original Mercury, Gemini & Apollo Missions, the fact they didn't think they needed one was an Obvious Blunder The Test should be called the Mr. Miyagi Maneuver...
The fun thing about science is you don't know what's possible till you try it. All credit to them; they dared where no one else has. I'd say that philosophy has been working out pretty well for them!
It is hoped that a starship weighing 20,000 to 70,000 tons can be designed and manufactured as soon as possible, which is equivalent to designing a submarine and aircraft carrier that has space speed/can move at extremely high speeds.
There's a reaaly old Shirley Ellis track called " The Clapping Song ( Clap Pat, Clap Slap ) " . That could be worked into the soundtrack of the chopstick catching sequence.
My big concern with landing on the pad is the sonic boom it's already quite loud for a F9. I would love it but I don't think the general populous would
No matter how you cut it, attempting to catch the super heavy booster is a big risk. But if handled normally, normal for precautions while launching of super heavy rockets, not an extra risk to lives.
Catching Super Heavy is both more and less risky than it sounds. One one hand, it's a big vehicle that could do a lot of damage if it hits the tower with speed. But on the other hand, it did make a controlled and soft splashdown so it won't smack the tower with speed. The catch pins look tiny, but are massive. They're the size of a coffee table. And they added some hydrolics to add wiggle room for the catch. 15 degrees if memory serves me right
@@snakevenom4954 " Coffee table sized," still seems to leave little room for error. Wouldn't be shocked if eventually the grid fins get buttressed- at least as a contingency.
@@attichatchsound-bobkowal5328 It does require accuracy, but for such a large and heavy vehicle that doesn't move too much from wind, it's extremely accurate
Precision and accuracy is required in positioning both booster and arms, fortunately the error in feedback is -only- [less than] 2 cm using *_Relational GPS_*
Don't forget that if the booster rotates even a tiny bit, then the profile of the catching pins is greatly reduced. The booster has to be almost perfectly oriented to maximize the catch surface area of the pins. This will be a nail biter for sure. @@snakevenom4954
During Spin Prime Testing, I understand that the tanks are loaded and then LOX and Methane are pumped through the engines without ignition. This means there is a significant amount of Methane vented to atmosphere. I understand Methane is also vented to atmosphere to regulate pressure in the fully fueled tanks. How much Methane is routinely released during the entire coure of preparing one booster? Multiply this by the projected increased incidence of Starship launches and how much Methane will routinely be released during the course of this program going forward? Methand is 10 times more potent a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. I would like to see an episode focusing on this detail. While I have seen videos discussing the ecological impact of rocket launches, none have touched upon this detail.
It's somewhat hard to quantify-we don't have complete specs of the craft or procedure, but I've seen estimates of between 85 kg and 171 kg (2,125kg / 4,275 kg CO2 equivalent, respectively) of methane being vented from a single spin prime test. This seems like a lot, but it is in the ballpark of a single cow's annual methane emissions (100 kg avg.). It's more per launch, likely 7 - 14 times as much as a spin prime, but the livestock analogy can help put that into perspective. For further perspective, 25 starship launches with associated testing would potentially emit 30,000 kg (30 metric tons) of methane. Annual losses from natural gas production are around 49.2 million metric tons. Hard to know how to feel about this overall, but it has to be said that we tend to derive a lot of technological benefits from space research, which may accelerate technological solutions to some of our energy and emissions problems (such as moving away from fossil fuels in general, and energy production from natural gas in particular).
I think they are taking a risk putting their only working tower in harms way. The second tower will be done in a couple of months, but the OLM will likely not be done until Xmas. Thats a big delay if tower A gets disabled.
Steel clad with concrete and in salty sea air.....hope its well done or I see invisible corrosion issues in the future - maybe its only a 10 year lifespan? Giant trench next to the tower foundations and its all sitting on sand. They are pushing all the limits.
@@ReinReads It's the steel that makes the structure strong; the concrete just makes it heavy (and gives it an awful lot of impact absorbing inertia). Even if all the concrete turned to dust inside, it'd probably still be fulfilling its purpose. Of course, I was never trained in civil engineering, so I of course have no idea what I'm talking about. Such is the internet these days.
Wow! Raptor 3 is a true thing of beauty in it's "simple" elegance & just a masterpiece of engineering. Gonna be hard to top this one Elon!! - But I bet he does...
Looks like they only just started testing R3 number 1 ... so they've probably got a long way to go before having 39+ flight-ready R3s ready to go. Plus, they've still got several hundred Raptor 2s in inventory to burn through.
She said "works pretty good" because she meant to. She knows the correct word is "well." She was trolling by implying "we don't know how to speak good or build stuff, but it works pretty good."
@@ellemaryxoxohow in the hell have I been a member for almost 2 years and this is the first time I have ever heard of a schedule for them? I thought they were just random.
@NASASpaceflight Great video. I believe another dependency for the next launch date will be removal of the crane. The crane leasing company likely would make it contractual not to have the crane so close to pad A. Please let me know your thoughts.
@@michaeldeierhoi4096 You may be right. But I would imagine the crane owners would not want it exposed to that much energy. Along with the mechanics, the systems and sensors are probably not tested for the conditions it would encounter.
Documentation about this crane does not show any plan to dismantle it, in fact it is planned for it to stay at the pad at least all the way to January 2025
Did anyone see if there are new 3D animation videos of how the catch mechanism works? No rollers, anymore or tank threads I remember? But cushioning pads now?
There's a rail where the lifting pins will "land" on, nothing about tank treads or anything. The pads on the sides of the landing rail are to soften the contact force when the chopsticks slap the side of the booster during its descent
The tank threads were replaced by pads at the end of long screws that can push the hooks of a booster back or forward if they need to move it. They work like a bench vice, just much larger.
So, where do the Raptor-side chats gets posted? I ask because haven't seen one posted since right before Chris G. left for SpaceX. That was almost 2 years ago.
@@Barthhhelona Yes, I have been a member for almost 2 years now. I saw that they uploaded a handful of raptor-sides to the members section today. I appreciate the help though. Have a good one.
NASA doesn't really control how SpaceX does space things; except on flights where they are providing the payload. And then they still usually let SpaceX be SpaceX.
The rapid reuse is mostly referring to the boosters. The ships will be many and can be "fixed" between flights as long as they land safely. If they have to replace 10 or 20 tiles out of 18 000 it will still be rapidly reusable. They have the ablative sheets as a backup layer in case tiles are lost. But we all have to wait and see what the results of the coming flights will reveal.
I always thought that NSF was kinda selfdeprecating NASA's motto. "Not Safe For..." And that you can easily update what it is not safe for. "Food" or "Space" "use as medicine" or "work" even. the last word is left from the abbreviation, because nobody has time to read it, before they get vaporised. Yours is ok, but kinda tame. I much prefer my version.
Yup. No barge for Super Heavy (which is WAY bigger than Falcon 9 and would probably make "Of Course I Still Love You" not really love you anymore if you were to try that with her). And, .as said, no legs. Tower or bust!
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Great. This episode is sponsored by a Company that sells Razors and is presented by a bloke who is noted for his luxuriant beard.
Gives a new meaning to the word 'Irony.'
(per ad) $0.10 razor blades. Someone knows what business they are in.
Dude with a beard advertising razors.
@@Adrian-qk2fn That bloke shaves his head almost daily. -kmr
Hey Jack, your beard is growing fast...
Mine is still prettier :)
Their should be a “Grammy awards” for engineers and the team working on Raptor 3 should get the “artist of the year award”
and an award for NSF team
Don't sully engineers with something like the Grammys.
@@dudermcdudeface3674 i never said Grammy
The Brunos?
Wow! Those two towers make a perfect frame for your video! Thanks to the NSF team for another excellent update!
Best advert for a shaver from a person with a beard brilliant
He may shave elsewhere...
Great update as always Jack, @NSF crew! These are so appreciated, and informative. Of all the developments this week, seeing the Raptor-3 fired up is probably the highlight! "Works pretty good for a partially assembled engine." DANG! Does it ever! Getting excited for IFT5, definitely. As this rocket gears up for full scale production, we are going to see more and more flights regularly out of there. All the progress is amazing! Thanks y'all!
Thank you for another awesome Starbase Update & Flyover NSF! Great to see Raptor 3 testing taking place also!
Thanks for making a space channel that people from Gen X can watch without cringing.
Great report ! So many things going on at once in SpaceX !! Innovation execution.
Ha ha Jack advising Henson shaving, we need a demo please!
@HensonShaving really knocked it out of the park with this sponsorship!
Who better to represent your brand but "I'm not shaving till flight 5"
Jack! He even removed his hat and neck gator for the spot, so we could
see that gorgeously smooth as a baby's bottom neck of his - and I got to
tell you, I was SOLD! I bought four sets!!
Thanks @NASASpaceflight !
I got my AL13 23 months ago and I still don't need a replacement box for the blades! It's such a great product.
Way to go next level NSF
Ok seeing two OLMs is actually insane! and is an EPIC background for a starbase update. I cant wait to see 2 full stacks one day.
1:58 what a beautiful shot! 🤩
The chopsticks catch test should be called the Miyagi Maneuver.
Technically... wasn't it Daniel-san who caught the fly? Beginners luck!
@@JayneCobbsBunk Daniel only started trying it after witnessing Mr. Miagi do it first.
Hey Jack, thanks for that awesome update ❤. Looking forward to the Catch Testing 😊
During shooting the footage of the spin prime, there must have been some wicked thermal effects at play. Ship #30 looked like it was swaying from side to side. It's amazing how much the soup we breathe can impact what we see.
Great show, as usual. Thank you.
Wind shaking the camera.
@@knowledgeisgood9645 Jello lens?
@DavJumps CMOS sensor jello effects, more likely.
Thanks for all the ideas. The only thing I could think of was a mirage-like effect, since the pointy-end was moving significantly more than the flamey-end.
@@EMichaelBall Ah, that's what I was going for. Thanks.
Jack and NSF, y'all rock! Peace
Well Done Jack, you always such a good job! Thank you
thanks for a great update as usual things are really moving along
Great job Jack , do more updates
I asked for a 13, but they drew a 31!
starbase update with jack is so much better
Can't wait for starship flight 5
I’m definitely team “slap testing” 😁👐👏
Boom Testing!
I love the intro music
Whoa, the heat shield removal looks like a massive pain.
Great round up of the recent events, thanks Jack and the NSF team.
🤗it’s like a land of breathing dragons when they fire 🔥 those 🚀 up!
I Told You they Needed a Flame Trench! As an Old Boomer who saw the original Mercury, Gemini & Apollo Missions, the fact they didn't think they needed one was an Obvious Blunder The Test should be called the Mr. Miyagi Maneuver...
The fun thing about science is you don't know what's possible till you try it. All credit to them; they dared where no one else has. I'd say that philosophy has been working out pretty well for them!
If Mr. Miyagi can catch fly with chop sticks...
He didn't though, Daniel did and he called it beginners luck! 😂
Excellent stuff bro
It is hoped that a starship weighing 20,000 to 70,000 tons can be designed and manufactured as soon as possible, which is equivalent to designing a submarine and aircraft carrier that has space speed/can move at extremely high speeds.
Imagine how many miles of pipe must of been laid...electrical cable etc the amount of material used in construction is mindblowing.
There's a reaaly old Shirley Ellis track called " The Clapping Song ( Clap Pat, Clap Slap ) " . That could be worked into the soundtrack of the chopstick catching sequence.
Great show Jack, I even watched the ad.
"Ready to fly" means no "Showstopper Issues." Vehicle has passed all testing with no issues found that would stop launch.
Thanks for the update and views 🇺🇲🇺🇦
As the boosters are the base of the rocket stack, I think the testing should be called Slappa Da' Base...or Bass, take your pick...
Slap-sticks testing😊
The hirsute Jack spruiking Henson shaving seems a match made in heaven. Jack can grow a beard between episodes
Excellent coverage yaĺ!!!!
Spanking the tank..
My big concern with landing on the pad is the sonic boom it's already quite loud for a F9. I would love it but I don't think the general populous would
BBBBBBBBBBBBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
(Repeats 10x per day)
SpaceX gonna make it clap.
No matter how you cut it, attempting to catch the super heavy booster is a big risk. But if handled normally, normal for precautions while launching of super heavy rockets, not an extra risk to lives.
Catching Super Heavy is both more and less risky than it sounds. One one hand, it's a big vehicle that could do a lot of damage if it hits the tower with speed.
But on the other hand, it did make a controlled and soft splashdown so it won't smack the tower with speed.
The catch pins look tiny, but are massive. They're the size of a coffee table. And they added some hydrolics to add wiggle room for the catch. 15 degrees if memory serves me right
@@snakevenom4954 " Coffee table sized," still seems to leave little room for error. Wouldn't be shocked if eventually the grid fins get buttressed- at least as a contingency.
@@attichatchsound-bobkowal5328 It does require accuracy, but for such a large and heavy vehicle that doesn't move too much from wind, it's extremely accurate
Precision and accuracy is required in positioning both booster and arms, fortunately the error in feedback is -only- [less than] 2 cm using *_Relational GPS_*
Don't forget that if the booster rotates even a tiny bit, then the profile of the catching pins is greatly reduced. The booster has to be almost perfectly oriented to maximize the catch surface area of the pins. This will be a nail biter for sure. @@snakevenom4954
During Spin Prime Testing, I understand that the tanks are loaded and then LOX and Methane are pumped through the engines without ignition. This means there is a significant amount of Methane vented to atmosphere. I understand Methane is also vented to atmosphere to regulate pressure in the fully fueled tanks. How much Methane is routinely released during the entire coure of preparing one booster? Multiply this by the projected increased incidence of Starship launches and how much Methane will routinely be released during the course of this program going forward? Methand is 10 times more potent a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. I would like to see an episode focusing on this detail. While I have seen videos discussing the ecological impact of rocket launches, none have touched upon this detail.
It's somewhat hard to quantify-we don't have complete specs of the craft or procedure, but I've seen estimates of between 85 kg and 171 kg (2,125kg / 4,275 kg CO2 equivalent, respectively) of methane being vented from a single spin prime test. This seems like a lot, but it is in the ballpark of a single cow's annual methane emissions (100 kg avg.).
It's more per launch, likely 7 - 14 times as much as a spin prime, but the livestock analogy can help put that into perspective. For further perspective, 25 starship launches with associated testing would potentially emit 30,000 kg (30 metric tons) of methane. Annual losses from natural gas production are around 49.2 million metric tons.
Hard to know how to feel about this overall, but it has to be said that we tend to derive a lot of technological benefits from space research, which may accelerate technological solutions to some of our energy and emissions problems (such as moving away from fossil fuels in general, and energy production from natural gas in particular).
Call it the Mecha-Grab!
I've heard several people try to repeat Gwen S's words, but none have gotten them right. It's not a quote when you paraphrase.
Exactly what she wrote was shown on screen at 9:38. Jack just corrected her grammar (replacing "good" with "well") when speaking. Not a big deal.
Excellent update. Looking forward to the flight soon.
So the phrase "Ready to Fly" is replacing the original Two Weeks™ comment prior to IFT2 :)
Thank you Jack for the latest flyover views and SBU.
Oh no…two weeks is definitely still a thing.
Bearded man is slowly reloading 😎
Love the videos keep it up!
Not gonna lie. That catch with the chop sticks terrifies me.
Why? No one can get injured. Damages can be repaired.
@@knowledgeisgood9645 I guess I’m worried the tower will get slammed.
@@Zeett09 And that's why they've got a couple spares!
(also, they are made of thick steel filled with megatons of concrete. They'll be fine.)
I think they are taking a risk putting their only working tower in harms way. The second tower will be done in a couple of months, but the OLM will likely not be done until Xmas. Thats a big delay if tower A gets disabled.
Steel clad with concrete and in salty sea air.....hope its well done or I see invisible corrosion issues in the future - maybe its only a 10 year lifespan? Giant trench next to the tower foundations and its all sitting on sand. They are pushing all the limits.
Just to let you know. At time 5:54 Jake repeats him self about the tiles. First time in all the clips I have seen this
Catching a booster is just mind boggling
Blimey. More adverts than superbowl on here.
Wow!!!🎉
If Jack had shaven off his entire beard with a Henson shaver, I would have bought one!
Maybe the arms will be a "clap trap"
Worried about sound effects on hardened encased concrete. May turn to crumble? 17:05
This is the technique they used for the current OLM legs.
@@ReinReads It's the steel that makes the structure strong; the concrete just makes it heavy (and gives it an awful lot of impact absorbing inertia). Even if all the concrete turned to dust inside, it'd probably still be fulfilling its purpose.
Of course, I was never trained in civil engineering, so I of course have no idea what I'm talking about. Such is the internet these days.
How do we get the tile glue to let go?
Well, we could apply heat. Oh right.
You use more force than the adhesion force of the glue.
@@knowledgeisgood9645 (whoosh)
Wow! Raptor 3 is a true thing of beauty in it's "simple" elegance & just a masterpiece of engineering. Gonna be hard to top this one Elon!! - But I bet he does...
Novice question. Why not skip V1s and next fly V2 Starship? Waiting for Raptor 3? Cheers!
Yeah
Looks like they only just started testing R3 number 1 ... so they've probably got a long way to go before having 39+ flight-ready R3s ready to go. Plus, they've still got several hundred Raptor 2s in inventory to burn through.
She said "works pretty good" because she meant to. She knows the correct word is "well." She was trolling by implying "we don't know how to speak good or build stuff, but it works pretty good."
Bro.... where do I find the Raptorside chats? Not anywhere on my membership feeds... am I blind lol?
Agree, I also don't see any Raptorside.
Raptorsides are live on starbase live on Tuesdays and Wednesdays at 8pm gmt
I don’t think they put them up to watch separately
I meant Thursdays oops
@@ellemaryxoxohow in the hell have I been a member for almost 2 years and this is the first time I have ever heard of a schedule for them? I thought they were just random.
looks like a slap test to meeeeeeeeeee
@NASASpaceflight Great video. I believe another dependency for the next launch date will be removal of the crane. The crane leasing company likely would make it contractual not to have the crane so close to pad A. Please let me know your thoughts.
I think they will just lay it down for the launch, but we'll see.
@@michaeldeierhoi4096 You may be right. But I would imagine the crane owners would not want it exposed to that much energy. Along with the mechanics, the systems and sensors are probably not tested for the conditions it would encounter.
The 3 remaining modules will soon be stacked and the crane dismantled. The LR 11000 can do the rest.
Documentation about this crane does not show any plan to dismantle it, in fact it is planned for it to stay at the pad at least all the way to January 2025
@@ale131296 Thx for the additional info. That explains why they did not lease the crane from me.
Great update Jack. Thanks for
You should talk to Dana White about getting the Chopsticks on his "Power Slap" show. HaHa
So shaving became a part of your routine.... I see 😅
His elliptical dome gets the shave.
@@davidg3944 I was going to bemoan yet another post pointing this out, but you redeemed yourself with a nice turn of phrase.
Did anyone see if there are new 3D animation videos of how the catch mechanism works? No rollers, anymore or tank threads I remember? But cushioning pads now?
There's a rail where the lifting pins will "land" on, nothing about tank treads or anything. The pads on the sides of the landing rail are to soften the contact force when the chopsticks slap the side of the booster during its descent
thanks
The tank threads were replaced by pads at the end of long screws that can push the hooks of a booster back or forward if they need to move it. They work like a bench vice, just much larger.
Get that guy some new pants lol
Jack is the preferred presenter.
Happy Slappy? 😊
So, where do the Raptor-side chats gets posted? I ask because haven't seen one posted since right before Chris G. left for SpaceX. That was almost 2 years ago.
Are you a member? If not you can't access them.
@@Barthhhelona Yes, I have been a member for almost 2 years now. I saw that they uploaded a handful of raptor-sides to the members section today. I appreciate the help though. Have a good one.
@@dr4d1s no problem!
I prefer "chop testing" as they ARE CHOP sticks
"Clap testing?" No. Sounds like something you do with a schwab.
Great like always
I say we call it a 🦭 seal testing
Did someone do an „in fact“ counter? 😬xD
Nice to see another Jack hosted video.
Surprising booster doesn't get hop-to-catch tests.
The clap trap.
Hi Sweet Jack you explanation is great thanks ❤
I feel like Tory Bruno is just being sour grapes about SpaceX's advancements 😂😂
I think he just didn’t believe that was possible. It went Beyond his comprehension without seeing it.
I thought WDR was mandatory per NASA.
NASA doesn't really control how SpaceX does space things; except on flights where they are providing the payload. And then they still usually let SpaceX be SpaceX.
Tory Bruno makes his own engines currently though, right?
Where do you think the "Jeff, where are my engines?" meme comes from?
Nope
@@bryanillenberg And before that, they used Russian engines.
Well, they still are, actually.
9:20 Sorry, what? Where in the world are the raptorside chats, then? I can't find any
I don't know too lol
I would like to know as well. I haven't seen one posted in almost 2 years.
@@dr4d1s NASAspaceflight clickbait? 🤔🤔 Maybe they will post them again
@@MKJ8888 It might be for high tier members?
(Or just a mistake on Jack's part)
@@bryanillenberg Who knows
Including me😮
I'm here for the local accents, or lack of accent.
Thanks,
(not that there's anything wrong with....)
I dont see rapid reusability being achieved while still using tiles and ablative material. Some type of new tech will need to be invented.
The rapid reuse is mostly referring to the boosters. The ships will be many and can be "fixed" between flights as long as they land safely. If they have to replace 10 or 20 tiles out of 18 000 it will still be rapidly reusable. They have the ablative sheets as a backup layer in case tiles are lost.
But we all have to wait and see what the results of the coming flights will reveal.
Oh, ye, of little faith. Has SpaceX never done anything to give you confidence that they might actually know what they are doing?
I say "Grab" testing, or "Clasp"!
The "Clap" is a disease!
I always thought that NSF was kinda selfdeprecating NASA's motto. "Not Safe For..." And that you can easily update what it is not safe for. "Food" or "Space" "use as medicine" or "work" even. the last word is left from the abbreviation, because nobody has time to read it, before they get vaporised.
Yours is ok, but kinda tame. I much prefer my version.
how many more launches until the earth wobbles too much?
Great!
It won’t land on the tower this time. They’ll set down on a barge.
There’s no barge with a tower and chopsticks, and no landing legs on booster andStarship. They either catch it at launch site or drop it in the water.
Yup. No barge for Super Heavy (which is WAY bigger than Falcon 9 and would probably make "Of Course I Still Love You" not really love you anymore if you were to try that with her).
And, .as said, no legs. Tower or bust!
Good work 👍
So, where are the raptorside chats?
Uploaded on their members only page
@@EMichaelBall uploaded minutes after I asked.
@nasaspaceflight where can one find the recordings of raptorside chat?