Some of the enforcer uniforms in the show Arcane (especially in season one) looked like military lolita and I think it was a great design choice. I'm not usually a big fan of military lolita in real life though
Visual Kei and Lolita have always walked hand in hand, and I remember the Gazette's Ruki Nazi outfit controversy back in the day. Found a tumblr blog titled "In honor of Ruki's Nazi controversy, here is a retrospective of Japanese musicians wearing SS and SS-inspired costumes". What a gallery sheesh... One COULD say that the attitude towards nazi uniforms is a bit different in Japan compared to Europe as it is very fetishised there as an edgy symbol of ultimate power/evil. The events of Nazi Germany are so distant and aestheticization of anything European is very common - and also in the basis of Lolita fashion. So there is kind of an apolitical side to it. In WW2 Japan did their own horrors that are still concealed and not discussed. After the huge student riots in 60s Japan had a huge overhaul of their educational system to make youth more submissive to authorities and less politics-minded. BUT there is also a very sad overlap with alternative styles and alternative right wing politics. Aesthetics and values can easily walk hand in hand. Aestheticization walks hand in hand with normalizing. Normalizing extremism, fascism, racism or violence is not ok.
Hiiii military lolita chiming in! My first dress in the substyle was the bodyline OP at the beginning of your video, dream dress is the cherry blossom set you showed at the end 💮I wish you had talked more about punk fashion and why punks use military elements! I think many military lolitas and punks use uniform/military elements (capes, badges, epaulets aka those shoulder thingys, etc) in the same way sometimes, to reclaim some of the power these fashion elements have. I don't own any prints with guns, but as an American lolita I enjoy the rebellious edge to combining symbols of masculine power with cute things like sweets and flowers, it's a way to challenge conservative beliefs about gender, about the divide between military/civilian, or to make light of nationalism and American exceptionalism.
This is why I think its really important for people to educate themselves on certain motifs and dogwhistles that were/are used by nazis, and to just learn generally about one of the most important wars in history?? Like the hat on the meta release is SO obviously supposed to be the nazi war eagle. And for them to say that the Japanese have no understanding of WWII is CRAZY considering they were literal allies to Germany and did many similar horrific things. Like i dont think military lolita is inherently problematic but it really needs to be done with a nuanced view. I am usually a person who is for breaking boundaries and going against the status quo, but this is one of those things that absolutely needs to be respected. It can genuinely be dangerous to go out wearing nazi symbolism, both for the person wearing it and for others.
And people need to realize that unfortunately many of those beliefs are still around. Even though WWII feels like it was a long time ago, it was less than a hundred years ago and many people still follow those ideologies. Its absolutely disgusting and I would never want to risk people associating me with something like that. There are plenty of military inspired dresses that don't use straight up nazi symbolism and to still insist on wearing releases that use them is willfully ignorant at best
I really like the more fantasy-inspired military coords you showed at the end. I do like the aesthetic of the substyle but I agree that a lot of it can be insensitive, also the coord inspired by the Vietnam War? are we gonna have coords inspired by 9/11 in 20 years 💀
This is a hot topic in the Gothic community too! Many of these "Military Goths" are also mostly rightwinged too. It's scary. Some of them are even proud to own real WWII items. The style always weirds me the S out. Especially as a German myself.
So weird because goth is literally leftist and anarchist leaning- Its a post punk movement. I just see em as posers and move on- some ppl genuinely just like being edgy, and tey to join a subculture without knowing what its about smh.
Yeah I remember years ago someone saying they got a hat and the maker accidentally put the Nazi symbols on it and they decided to just… wear it anyway 🙃🙃🙃
People like the uniform look. There are so many uniforms that have a similar look, but don't make war look "cool". Pilots, train conductors, circus ringmasters, etc. They all have buttons, capes, braided chains, and even the hat. If they want a military look that's not associated with violence, they can copy sailor/navy uniforms. The Navy is more associated with aid and ocean protection. Sailor themes are already common in EGL, so creating a more accurate look would be easier and more acceptable.
Unfortunately 'army bad navy good' is an element of Japanese WW2 apologia (there's a time travel anime/manga called Zipang which makes heavy use of this theme to keep its protagonists the good guys).
Um... On the Valkyrie thing. Referencing Norse mythology actually makes it worse, as Norse mythology was *the aesthetic* of Germany during a certain era. It was incorporated into their ideology, insignia, art, etc. (I'm Scandinavian myself and I avoid everything Norse mythology because of its strong association with bad people)
And not only in that era. If you look into the antisemitism and anti Judaism of the 19th century (and earlier), especially in Europe, held as a very casual sentiment you can find in most newspapers, laws, company rules... . It is absolutely disgusting. And this was even further popularized by Richard Wagner. The ideology through his operas but his whole sentiment he published in a pamphlet "Das Judentum in der Musik". I don't think I need to apply any trigger warning that this is an absolutely disgusting read. Especially considering the impact it had. And yes, sharing a name with one of Wagner's Operas "Die Walküre", doesn't make this choice any better. Certainly Wagner was a very talented musician. But big as his talent he as a person was an asshole. I am a hobby historian, also from Germany. My special interest is the 19th an early 20th century in parts of Europe and the US. Due to my work on a biography of a very lovely singer of Jewish descent, I have become a little bit familiar with that aspect, too. And it is so painful to see what impact this had on the Jewish community. I really appreciate you and your videos and am so happy there is a (relatively) new creator in the Lolita community putting so much thought and kindness into their work. ❤ Thank you a lot and I'm looking forward to your next videos 😊❤
I was actually in love with military lolita a few years ago - mostly for the silhouette, I never thought about styling it with gun-like props or anything. I'm from an European country which was badly damaged during wars, studied history for a bit and I'm left-leaning so that's a weird mix. I even bought a piece these few years ago but never got to wear it outside. As the time went on, I started feeling worse and worse about having it in my closet and wearing it. Today I agree that it might look a little bit insensitive if styled wrong and my piece unfortunately slightly does - since it's red 💀
My favourite military piece is bunnies band by cat highness, it is military and sweet, and honestly, it is so cute and unique. It is very nutcracker lolita vibe but more alice in wonderland.
I love military lolita! Not realistic military lolita- Like, no green or a lot of black. Im talking stuff that Kasane Teto wears. Fantasy military lolita, is prob a better term for what I love. Ive been obsessed with military lolita since I was a kid first learning of lolita
12:17 for the cats: I remember this happening and a lot of people didn’t realize the cats were based off Chinese Military uniforms and there were lots of arguments about it…..
huh, such a lot to get into. I'm British and for me army style is more about surplus, taking used uniforms and reusing/remaking . the idea of replication or of being the soldier is new to me.
I like the "military" silhouette it's so chic imo, but it could went south quite quickly because of the historical theme to it. but then again it could open discussion which some people like!
Hi! Military lolita person here! I love military lolita because I've always loved the looks of military uniforms. Military lolita is like 'a suit but it's a cute dress!' I love suits and uniforms but make them dresses and I'm sold!! But I completely agree with how controversial the subgenre is. That's why I always do heavy research on the military lolita outfits I'm buying so I know I'm not buying something literally copying a Nazi uniform. I usually buy military INSPIRED dresses rather than the ones literally trying to make war look cute. Also because the inspired dresses just give off this cute fantasy vibe but mixed with my love for uniforms and dresses. Or I just make my own! A thrifted trench coat and some creativity goes a long way! So, please do research before buying military lolita!! Educate yourself on war history, always look for the military INSPIRED dresses, and don't wear arm bands with the uniform!
Honestly? Its tough to explain. The victorian and roccoco eras lolita fashion take inspiration from would both have guard uniforms, and military, and the like. Pieces like that I am super keen on, short of looking like a frilly colonizer, obviously. Its where the nutcracker styles come from, and is technically a reenactment, but how many people are alive and have memories of napoleon rocking their shit? Those who have stories are far enough seperated, and the styles we have are fantastical enough that even in affected communities back then today wouldn't deem it insensitive. Its fantasy play. But with ww2 outfits? Shit. You have people who were alive back then, or maybe once or twice removed. It can and could still be causing direct trauma to these people. I know no military uniform would have a cupcake skirt, but sometimes the themes are too spot on.
I can really understand your discomfort when it comes to guns as accessories in military lolita fashion. My family owns a gun from the WW2 times, and even though it’s sealed and unloaded, just holding it makes me so uncomfy and kinda scared. They’re definitely not things to be used as accessories:\
13:26 i get being inspired by history with taste or even combining cute and scary themes and using pieces and symbols in contadicting way like punks BUT THIS is crazy thats perfect example of just being insensitive
Honestly I think uniforms with historical elements to them or parade uniforms are really pretty. But fashion (at least imo) isn’t just about the aesthetics of something but also what it represents, and taking inspiration from such terrible events doesn’t sit right with me. I’ve seen other comments discussing sailor Lolita as a close alternative and I agree, you get the uniform look but it has historical ties other than just the marine
i bought a military lolita OP as my first ever OP because i loved the colors and the details of the dress. it doesn't really resemble any specific real world military uniforms, so i felt safe buying it. when it arrived it came with some accessories including some medal pins, and one of them looked like a nazi one... yikes... i slightly regret buying it, but i also still really love the OP itself... i do like the more fantasy inspired military lolita looks, i've run into quite a few cute military style OPs or coords on pinterest. and as for props, if people *really want* to have a weapon prop, they should use a sword instead. it doesn't feel as violent as a gun does, at least to me. personally, i'll be going without a prop, and will carefully style my OP. i feel like with the right pieces and accessories, i could probably make it look less military. another comment here gave some suggestions for jobs with similar uniforms, so i'll take inspiration from those instead.
Now, personally, I LOVE military Lolita fashion, and generally, I tend to be a more left leaning person. I think for me, tho it's more about a break away and play up from gendered norms. See, traditionally, women have had certain roles under more patriarchal soceity that tell us how we should act, look and behave, and generally, when it comes to militaria, even in military fantasy spaces there often seems to be a certain exclusion of women. Like the cool badass stuff tends to often be more oriented towards men in general, and sometimes I do feel a certain lack of certain things. And like with fashion like military lolita, it takes the cute femme aspects of traditional feminine clothing but combines it with cool badass more masculine military emlements, which is something I like. It's like, in a way, a rebellion against the standard gendered norms because sometimes I want to be cute but badass at the same time. Tho. For me, I tend to like the more fantasy or gothic oriented styled ones. Like a fantasy evil empire. (The villainess aspect is also a bit of a rebellion of the soceital norms, but I won't get into it too deeply. To keep this more brief) Personally, tho things like the Lofty Goals by ChunLu (pink sakura) dress or scarlet night by ChunLu are much more my preference. However, with examples like the first one, I think it really is not that great. The general outfit itself isn't really as bad, (tho still has some elements I'm not to fond of like the context of use of gothic "wolfenstein" font) but the cap, esp with the Reichsadler, really really gives off really close NS, which is something i feel really really uncomfortable with. Like the eagle looks ripped directly off a Whermacht uniform just with a different symbol and combined with the exact style of cap, it is just too close for comfort. Also to add to that. The norse tie in with the name Die Walkure is uhh really telling. Since the NS did use a lot of influence of Norse myth + Opera esp Wagner in their style and stuff. Like eg. SS divisions has runes often used for their emblems. The whole outfits listing vibes and such are just wayyy to off.
I actually own Military Sweets in mint, but it doesn’t fit! I’m looking for a JSK that’s not eighty freakin dollars to Frankendress! I would’ve totally bought the Guerilla Kitty release by that one Chinese brand, I thought it was humorous in a dark kind of way!
@reemm8522 sorry if my take sounded offensive!!! I 100% believe that you guys are aware of history and probs r trying to suppress the actual history less than first world countries lol
Canadian here, I generally don’t like the military Lolita fashion sub genre. It’s never appealed to me for the sole reason of the ignorance displayed by 1. The companies and designers that okay styles based off of hateful military groups such as dictator lead military governments in WWII that committed atrocities. 2. The people who wear such styles defending it to hell and back saying “it’s okay to wear it” even when knowing the awful truth about the pieces’ original inspirations. Hate should have no place in alternative fashion communities, it’s a sad truth that hate has been in the EGL community for a long time though, in some ways it’s getting better but unfortunately some people are still hateful and ignorant human beings. It’s an eternal face palm when designers and companies, intentionally or not, proliferate outward hateful sediments with the designs they choose to put out. I only enjoy the nutcracker like designs since it’s generally more fantasy/ prince/ royalty or royal guard like and seemingly less violent. I am also pretty anti-military, and as a Canadian don’t see a lot of g*ns where I am and want more reform for my neighbors in the US so their children can be safe from harm in school.
@julienicol9202 you put that so well. My thoughts exactly!! I pretty much dislike all of it, apart of the nutcracker designs bc of the reasons you mentioned. As sb from Germany I also have no connections to guns and find it pretty dystopian that there are people who carty "casually" guns around. Thank you for tje input!
It made me confused and it came off kinda funny as first@@Carolmikuunot saying I thought it's bad but I really like tactical gear and things and this made me feel that way at first until I watched the vid sorry if I explained that badly lol but I do like tactical and lolita || harajuku fashion so I was confuse
12:59 I mean if it’s inspired by the Vietnamese revolutionaries I get it But I also don’t want people to just… think they can emulate other races/cultures in ways that make it seem you’re pretending to be something you’re not
7:21 Yeah, the German Nazis did a lot of (highly unethical) science experiments that furthered the understanding of anatomy (because what normal person would do something so horrible). They also constructed a few things and ensured that some of their citizens (those they weren't murdering) were fed somewhat well (for a while). That doesn't outweigh the atrocities committed by that group though. Understanding that a group can have done some things with positive outcomes or some positive things without being good is important. In a similar way, there are good things the US (where I live) has done, but there's also a lot of bad (installing dictatorships, attacking its citizens, criminalizing being unhoused, systemic racism, concentration camps, prison slavery, no medical system, pollution, spying on its citizens, propaganda, etc). It's important to recognize the persuasiveness of bad routes. Hitler was charismatic but killed a ton of people, so its important to analyze someone beyond how they look. Glamorizing or aspiring to look like the Nazi party or any other evil group is bad though. Edit: I hear Germany takes Nazi fascism really seriously and educates people on it, doesn't allow people to promote genocide, and addresses it in their education system. Japan apparently sucks at acknowledging their country's war crimes though (Uniclo's "it was so long ago" ad about invading, murdering, and raping Korea, Hetalia anime, general lack of addressing the subject, etc). I think most German's would probably judge someone harshly for wearing a non acadmic Nazi cosplay (as in not for historical understanding reasons for like a museum, textile history, or something). I like the military lolita style, but more so general stuff like harnasses, armor, swords, FPS outfits, camo, etc. Nazi stuff is bad to wear. Edit 2: Yeah, guns and such are disgusting. Totally agree with you. I'm from Texas, and that kind of thing makes me melt with rage and disgust. The style really needs to keep direct references to IRL violence to a minimum
I think western Lolita Community often take it for granted Chinese Lolita brands sometimes , What I like sometimes from them is they dare to be edgy and dare to push the boundaries , giving a middle fingers factor to prudish and dogma oriented American Lolita Community When i once a Rufflechat member (( but relinquishes my member status there )) , There are some topic of certain Lolita dresses that obviously from Chinese lolita brand which some concept are too spicy and trigerring the " Ree Fest " out of certain American Lolitas
@shanicestella2226 I guess I can see what you mean, but it's not just the American Lolitas who find some releases questionable. Even here in my German community many lolitas found a lot of taobao releases distasteful. But of course, that varies from release to release!
I am American and i love Lolita fashion bc of course I’m a goth and want more gothic Lolita dresses. Just in my size. They forgot big chested ppl exist that my conteraversal take of the century in the alt community. I really hope military Lolita doesn’t become like USA neo Nazi “punk/alt/ etc…. “ (those are posers actually, i do support nesscary gatekeeping only when they’re weird in that kind pof font specifically. Just started the video. Nazis are i hate you plz GROW UP IF U SE MY COMEMNTS. lol. Thank u for coming to my ted talk. I’m hate Christmas themes personally. -a pagan 2025 jan. 19.🎉🎉🎉🎉 happy Chinese new year btw dragon is now snake.
Some of the enforcer uniforms in the show Arcane (especially in season one) looked like military lolita and I think it was a great design choice. I'm not usually a big fan of military lolita in real life though
Oh yeah I know what u mean!! Fiction is always a lil different to real life!! I loved arcane tho
Visual Kei and Lolita have always walked hand in hand, and I remember the Gazette's Ruki Nazi outfit controversy back in the day. Found a tumblr blog titled "In honor of Ruki's Nazi controversy, here is a retrospective of Japanese musicians wearing SS and SS-inspired costumes". What a gallery sheesh... One COULD say that the attitude towards nazi uniforms is a bit different in Japan compared to Europe as it is very fetishised there as an edgy symbol of ultimate power/evil. The events of Nazi Germany are so distant and aestheticization of anything European is very common - and also in the basis of Lolita fashion. So there is kind of an apolitical side to it. In WW2 Japan did their own horrors that are still concealed and not discussed. After the huge student riots in 60s Japan had a huge overhaul of their educational system to make youth more submissive to authorities and less politics-minded. BUT there is also a very sad overlap with alternative styles and alternative right wing politics. Aesthetics and values can easily walk hand in hand. Aestheticization walks hand in hand with normalizing. Normalizing extremism, fascism, racism or violence is not ok.
Hiiii military lolita chiming in! My first dress in the substyle was the bodyline OP at the beginning of your video, dream dress is the cherry blossom set you showed at the end 💮I wish you had talked more about punk fashion and why punks use military elements! I think many military lolitas and punks use uniform/military elements (capes, badges, epaulets aka those shoulder thingys, etc) in the same way sometimes, to reclaim some of the power these fashion elements have. I don't own any prints with guns, but as an American lolita I enjoy the rebellious edge to combining symbols of masculine power with cute things like sweets and flowers, it's a way to challenge conservative beliefs about gender, about the divide between military/civilian, or to make light of nationalism and American exceptionalism.
This is why I think its really important for people to educate themselves on certain motifs and dogwhistles that were/are used by nazis, and to just learn generally about one of the most important wars in history?? Like the hat on the meta release is SO obviously supposed to be the nazi war eagle. And for them to say that the Japanese have no understanding of WWII is CRAZY considering they were literal allies to Germany and did many similar horrific things. Like i dont think military lolita is inherently problematic but it really needs to be done with a nuanced view. I am usually a person who is for breaking boundaries and going against the status quo, but this is one of those things that absolutely needs to be respected. It can genuinely be dangerous to go out wearing nazi symbolism, both for the person wearing it and for others.
And people need to realize that unfortunately many of those beliefs are still around. Even though WWII feels like it was a long time ago, it was less than a hundred years ago and many people still follow those ideologies. Its absolutely disgusting and I would never want to risk people associating me with something like that. There are plenty of military inspired dresses that don't use straight up nazi symbolism and to still insist on wearing releases that use them is willfully ignorant at best
@@katiec564 yes 10000% agreed!!!
I really like the more fantasy-inspired military coords you showed at the end. I do like the aesthetic of the substyle but I agree that a lot of it can be insensitive, also the coord inspired by the Vietnam War? are we gonna have coords inspired by 9/11 in 20 years 💀
Yeah big time agreed!!! A more fantasy approach is far better, and the Vietnam War one was just...
I agree here. I don't want the real world seeping anywhere close to my closet besides structure and fantasy inspired
This is a hot topic in the Gothic community too! Many of these "Military Goths" are also mostly rightwinged too. It's scary. Some of them are even proud to own real WWII items. The style always weirds me the S out. Especially as a German myself.
So weird because goth is literally leftist and anarchist leaning- Its a post punk movement. I just see em as posers and move on- some ppl genuinely just like being edgy, and tey to join a subculture without knowing what its about smh.
Yeah I remember years ago someone saying they got a hat and the maker accidentally put the Nazi symbols on it and they decided to just… wear it anyway 🙃🙃🙃
@@mistressofbats omg I didn't even know that!! Crazyyy
I think the person saying "I am wearing a dress inspired by the holocaust" was probably calling out the OP by highlighting how ridiculous it is
@@DrApocalyptus yeah could be!
I hope so
People like the uniform look. There are so many uniforms that have a similar look, but don't make war look "cool". Pilots, train conductors, circus ringmasters, etc. They all have buttons, capes, braided chains, and even the hat.
If they want a military look that's not associated with violence, they can copy sailor/navy uniforms. The Navy is more associated with aid and ocean protection. Sailor themes are already common in EGL, so creating a more accurate look would be easier and more acceptable.
Truee sailor lolita I think is a better approach and as u said is alr very popular within lolita spaces!!
Unfortunately 'army bad navy good' is an element of Japanese WW2 apologia (there's a time travel anime/manga called Zipang which makes heavy use of this theme to keep its protagonists the good guys).
@AC-dk4fp oh I didn't even know that tbh..thank you for bringing that up!! Learning sm from this comment section
Um... On the Valkyrie thing. Referencing Norse mythology actually makes it worse, as Norse mythology was *the aesthetic* of Germany during a certain era. It was incorporated into their ideology, insignia, art, etc. (I'm Scandinavian myself and I avoid everything Norse mythology because of its strong association with bad people)
@lilja5884 thank you for pointing that out!! I agree 100%
i listen to enough black metal ti know this😭
And not only in that era. If you look into the antisemitism and anti Judaism of the 19th century (and earlier), especially in Europe, held as a very casual sentiment you can find in most newspapers, laws, company rules... . It is absolutely disgusting.
And this was even further popularized by Richard Wagner. The ideology through his operas but his whole sentiment he published in a pamphlet "Das Judentum in der Musik".
I don't think I need to apply any trigger warning that this is an absolutely disgusting read. Especially considering the impact it had.
And yes, sharing a name with one of Wagner's Operas "Die Walküre", doesn't make this choice any better.
Certainly Wagner was a very talented musician. But big as his talent he as a person was an asshole.
I am a hobby historian, also from Germany. My special interest is the 19th an early 20th century in parts of Europe and the US. Due to my work on a biography of a very lovely singer of Jewish descent, I have become a little bit familiar with that aspect, too. And it is so painful to see what impact this had on the Jewish community.
I really appreciate you and your videos and am so happy there is a (relatively) new creator in the Lolita community putting so much thought and kindness into their work. ❤
Thank you a lot and I'm looking forward to your next videos 😊❤
People as individuals are always going to make bad choices, but for a whole ass brand to make a Reich-core release is so so so cringe 😬😬😬
I was actually in love with military lolita a few years ago - mostly for the silhouette, I never thought about styling it with gun-like props or anything. I'm from an European country which was badly damaged during wars, studied history for a bit and I'm left-leaning so that's a weird mix. I even bought a piece these few years ago but never got to wear it outside. As the time went on, I started feeling worse and worse about having it in my closet and wearing it. Today I agree that it might look a little bit insensitive if styled wrong and my piece unfortunately slightly does - since it's red 💀
Oh woah yeah I totally get that!! I think sometimes it comes w growing up/learning about the world. But hey u know better now so hell yeah!!
My favourite military piece is bunnies band by cat highness, it is military and sweet, and honestly, it is so cute and unique. It is very nutcracker lolita vibe but more alice in wonderland.
@@DrApocalyptus uhh sounds good, I'm gonna check ut out!
I love military lolita! Not realistic military lolita- Like, no green or a lot of black. Im talking stuff that Kasane Teto wears. Fantasy military lolita, is prob a better term for what I love. Ive been obsessed with military lolita since I was a kid first learning of lolita
12:17 for the cats: I remember this happening and a lot of people didn’t realize the cats were based off Chinese Military uniforms and there were lots of arguments about it…..
huh, such a lot to get into. I'm British and for me army style is more about surplus, taking used uniforms and reusing/remaking . the idea of replication or of being the soldier is new to me.
8:22 I will say the German imperial eagle has been used long before and long after the Nazi regime. But the Nazis had their own specific design.
Yes but now I'd argue its inexplicably linked
I like the "military" silhouette it's so chic imo, but it could went south quite quickly because of the historical theme to it. but then again it could open discussion which some people like!
Hi! Military lolita person here!
I love military lolita because I've always loved the looks of military uniforms. Military lolita is like 'a suit but it's a cute dress!' I love suits and uniforms but make them dresses and I'm sold!!
But I completely agree with how controversial the subgenre is. That's why I always do heavy research on the military lolita outfits I'm buying so I know I'm not buying something literally copying a Nazi uniform. I usually buy military INSPIRED dresses rather than the ones literally trying to make war look cute. Also because the inspired dresses just give off this cute fantasy vibe but mixed with my love for uniforms and dresses. Or I just make my own! A thrifted trench coat and some creativity goes a long way!
So, please do research before buying military lolita!! Educate yourself on war history, always look for the military INSPIRED dresses, and don't wear arm bands with the uniform!
Honestly? Its tough to explain. The victorian and roccoco eras lolita fashion take inspiration from would both have guard uniforms, and military, and the like. Pieces like that I am super keen on, short of looking like a frilly colonizer, obviously.
Its where the nutcracker styles come from, and is technically a reenactment, but how many people are alive and have memories of napoleon rocking their shit? Those who have stories are far enough seperated, and the styles we have are fantastical enough that even in affected communities back then today wouldn't deem it insensitive. Its fantasy play.
But with ww2 outfits? Shit. You have people who were alive back then, or maybe once or twice removed. It can and could still be causing direct trauma to these people. I know no military uniform would have a cupcake skirt, but sometimes the themes are too spot on.
Is frilly aristocrat really any different from frilly colonizer?
I can really understand your discomfort when it comes to guns as accessories in military lolita fashion. My family owns a gun from the WW2 times, and even though it’s sealed and unloaded, just holding it makes me so uncomfy and kinda scared. They’re definitely not things to be used as accessories:\
13:26 i get being inspired by history with taste or even combining cute and scary themes and using pieces and symbols in contadicting way like punks BUT THIS is crazy thats perfect example of just being insensitive
Honestly I think uniforms with historical elements to them or parade uniforms are really pretty. But fashion (at least imo) isn’t just about the aesthetics of something but also what it represents, and taking inspiration from such terrible events doesn’t sit right with me. I’ve seen other comments discussing sailor Lolita as a close alternative and I agree, you get the uniform look but it has historical ties other than just the marine
i bought a military lolita OP as my first ever OP because i loved the colors and the details of the dress. it doesn't really resemble any specific real world military uniforms, so i felt safe buying it. when it arrived it came with some accessories including some medal pins, and one of them looked like a nazi one... yikes... i slightly regret buying it, but i also still really love the OP itself...
i do like the more fantasy inspired military lolita looks, i've run into quite a few cute military style OPs or coords on pinterest. and as for props, if people *really want* to have a weapon prop, they should use a sword instead. it doesn't feel as violent as a gun does, at least to me.
personally, i'll be going without a prop, and will carefully style my OP. i feel like with the right pieces and accessories, i could probably make it look less military. another comment here gave some suggestions for jobs with similar uniforms, so i'll take inspiration from those instead.
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Now, personally, I LOVE military Lolita fashion, and generally, I tend to be a more left leaning person.
I think for me, tho it's more about a break away and play up from gendered norms. See, traditionally, women have had certain roles under more patriarchal soceity that tell us how we should act, look and behave, and generally, when it comes to militaria, even in military fantasy spaces there often seems to be a certain exclusion of women. Like the cool badass stuff tends to often be more oriented towards men in general, and sometimes I do feel a certain lack of certain things.
And like with fashion like military lolita, it takes the cute femme aspects of traditional feminine clothing but combines it with cool badass more masculine military emlements, which is something I like. It's like, in a way, a rebellion against the standard gendered norms because sometimes I want to be cute but badass at the same time.
Tho. For me, I tend to like the more fantasy or gothic oriented styled ones. Like a fantasy evil empire. (The villainess aspect is also a bit of a rebellion of the soceital norms, but I won't get into it too deeply. To keep this more brief) Personally, tho things like the Lofty Goals by ChunLu (pink sakura) dress or scarlet night by ChunLu are much more my preference.
However, with examples like the first one, I think it really is not that great. The general outfit itself isn't really as bad, (tho still has some elements I'm not to fond of like the context of use of gothic "wolfenstein" font) but the cap, esp with the Reichsadler, really really gives off really close NS, which is something i feel really really uncomfortable with. Like the eagle looks ripped directly off a Whermacht uniform just with a different symbol and combined with the exact style of cap, it is just too close for comfort.
Also to add to that. The norse tie in with the name Die Walkure is uhh really telling. Since the NS did use a lot of influence of Norse myth + Opera esp Wagner in their style and stuff. Like eg. SS divisions has runes often used for their emblems. The whole outfits listing vibes and such are just wayyy to off.
I actually own Military Sweets in mint, but it doesn’t fit! I’m looking for a JSK that’s not eighty freakin dollars to Frankendress! I would’ve totally bought the Guerilla Kitty release by that one Chinese brand, I thought it was humorous in a dark kind of way!
Because kitties are not scary, and they have been made to be scary. It’s the ridiculousness of the whole thing. Just my opinion.
Thank you for giving context on where you are from!
Um.. 🙋🏻♀️from a third world country and we definitely know more world history than most in "first world" countries
@reemm8522 sorry if my take sounded offensive!!! I 100% believe that you guys are aware of history and probs r trying to suppress the actual history less than first world countries lol
Honestly I kind of love the style of it I usually go for the blue or pink I don't like the green
hahaha when i hit play and immediately saw that fucking meta nazi uniform i knew this was going to be a great one!!!
xD thank you, couldn't leave that one out
Canadian here, I generally don’t like the military Lolita fashion sub genre. It’s never appealed to me for the sole reason of the ignorance displayed by 1. The companies and designers that okay styles based off of hateful military groups such as dictator lead military governments in WWII that committed atrocities. 2. The people who wear such styles defending it to hell and back saying “it’s okay to wear it” even when knowing the awful truth about the pieces’ original inspirations. Hate should have no place in alternative fashion communities, it’s a sad truth that hate has been in the EGL community for a long time though, in some ways it’s getting better but unfortunately some people are still hateful and ignorant human beings. It’s an eternal face palm when designers and companies, intentionally or not, proliferate outward hateful sediments with the designs they choose to put out. I only enjoy the nutcracker like designs since it’s generally more fantasy/ prince/ royalty or royal guard like and seemingly less violent. I am also pretty anti-military, and as a Canadian don’t see a lot of g*ns where I am and want more reform for my neighbors in the US so their children can be safe from harm in school.
@julienicol9202 you put that so well. My thoughts exactly!! I pretty much dislike all of it, apart of the nutcracker designs bc of the reasons you mentioned. As sb from Germany I also have no connections to guns and find it pretty dystopian that there are people who carty "casually" guns around. Thank you for tje input!
another great video as always 🩷🩷
also 5:18 the german accent is giving🔥🔥🔥
Hahah thank you😭🫶🏻
MILITARY LOLITA ACTUALLY GOT ME 😀😀
Wdym?
It made me confused and it came off kinda funny as first@@Carolmikuunot saying I thought it's bad but I really like tactical gear and things and this made me feel that way at first until I watched the vid
sorry if I explained that badly lol but I do like tactical and lolita || harajuku fashion so I was confuse
12:59 I mean if it’s inspired by the Vietnamese revolutionaries I get it
But I also don’t want people to just… think they can emulate other races/cultures in ways that make it seem you’re pretending to be something you’re not
7:21 Yeah, the German Nazis did a lot of (highly unethical) science experiments that furthered the understanding of anatomy (because what normal person would do something so horrible). They also constructed a few things and ensured that some of their citizens (those they weren't murdering) were fed somewhat well (for a while). That doesn't outweigh the atrocities committed by that group though. Understanding that a group can have done some things with positive outcomes or some positive things without being good is important.
In a similar way, there are good things the US (where I live) has done, but there's also a lot of bad (installing dictatorships, attacking its citizens, criminalizing being unhoused, systemic racism, concentration camps, prison slavery, no medical system, pollution, spying on its citizens, propaganda, etc). It's important to recognize the persuasiveness of bad routes. Hitler was charismatic but killed a ton of people, so its important to analyze someone beyond how they look.
Glamorizing or aspiring to look like the Nazi party or any other evil group is bad though.
Edit: I hear Germany takes Nazi fascism really seriously and educates people on it, doesn't allow people to promote genocide, and addresses it in their education system. Japan apparently sucks at acknowledging their country's war crimes though (Uniclo's "it was so long ago" ad about invading, murdering, and raping Korea, Hetalia anime, general lack of addressing the subject, etc). I think most German's would probably judge someone harshly for wearing a non acadmic Nazi cosplay (as in not for historical understanding reasons for like a museum, textile history, or something). I like the military lolita style, but more so general stuff like harnasses, armor, swords, FPS outfits, camo, etc. Nazi stuff is bad to wear.
Edit 2: Yeah, guns and such are disgusting. Totally agree with you. I'm from Texas, and that kind of thing makes me melt with rage and disgust. The style really needs to keep direct references to IRL violence to a minimum
I think western Lolita Community often take it for granted Chinese Lolita brands sometimes ,
What I like sometimes from them is they dare to be edgy and dare to push the boundaries , giving a middle fingers factor to prudish and dogma oriented American Lolita Community
When i once a Rufflechat member (( but relinquishes my member status there )) ,
There are some topic of certain Lolita dresses that obviously from Chinese lolita brand which some concept are too spicy and trigerring the " Ree Fest " out of certain American Lolitas
@shanicestella2226 I guess I can see what you mean, but it's not just the American Lolitas who find some releases questionable. Even here in my German community many lolitas found a lot of taobao releases distasteful. But of course, that varies from release to release!
I am American and i love Lolita fashion bc of course I’m a goth and want more gothic Lolita dresses. Just in my size. They forgot big chested ppl exist that my conteraversal take of the century in the alt community. I really hope military Lolita doesn’t become like USA neo Nazi “punk/alt/ etc…. “ (those are posers actually, i do support nesscary gatekeeping only when they’re weird in that kind pof font specifically. Just started the video. Nazis are i hate you plz GROW UP IF U SE MY COMEMNTS. lol. Thank u for coming to my ted talk. I’m hate Christmas themes personally. -a pagan 2025 jan. 19.🎉🎉🎉🎉 happy Chinese new year btw dragon is now snake.
so many videos lately yay !
8:35
OMG... this girl fr does not know ANYTHING abt Japan in WWII weren't they literally in alliance with germany at that time? thats so funny what 😭😭
ur videos r so cool
Thank youu!!