Core i5-7600K vs. Ryzen 5 1600, 2020 Revisit

[@kgra8346]

Competition making a huge difference in only 3 years!

[@avroken]

Even less than that

[@WarriorsPhoto]

Amen!

[@Malus1531]

Wish we could say the same about GPUs

[@WarriorsPhoto]

Caleb Let’s hope this is case with Navi’s second wave. (:

[@motor1841]

Today will be the last day my little i5 4670 pulls full duty as its Ryzen 5 3600 replacement is built. /salute little buddy

[@everope]

Good choice, love my 3600 and newer batches are even better. What mobo you go for?

[@erikbritz2637]

Let us know how much the difference is in performance im waiting till the R5 4600 etc. Is released to upgrade my i5 4690 things kicking ass for what im using it for so no upgrades yet max ill be moving to an i7 4790K

[@motor1841]

The cpu performance gains in Firestrike was about 3 times that of the i5. Just went with an Asus Tuf micro 450 board. Overall I was a little surprised at how much of an improvement it was going to the 3600, I expect gains but more like like 30% give or take. Still running a rx580 for a few more months yet. I am extremely happy with this upgrade, the value is fantastic!

[@motor1841]

@@erikbritz2637 I was starting to see a lot of low end FPS drops in newer games as the cpu struggled a little more. I was trying to get by until the next gen but when the prices started dropping I just couldn't resist a great deal. Now if those new video cards would just hurry up and get here.

[@AresHitman]

This ryzen at most rtx 2060 super

[@Navie.]

AMD changed The computing landscape forever....If it wasn't for them we'd still have 8 cores 16 threads at 1100...rocking a 3900x on a B350 motherboard rn 😍😍 retired my 1600 a while ago.

[@mochachino56]

Can i use 3900x on ab350 gaming 3 motherboard from gigabyte ? Right now im using 1600

[@magyarvok100]

@@mochachino56 You should be able to

[@dondraper4438]

@@mochachino56 It should work since the Ryzen 9 3900x and Ryzen 9 3950x are both 105 watt tdp parts and all of Zen 2 works with b350 boards. With that being said, i did read a review on Amazon about it not working well. Would personally recommend sticking to the Ryzen 5 3600 or Ryzen 7 3700x.

[@nihadasadli2642]

@@mochachino56 update the bios and you'll be ok

[@leaha2357]

@@mochachino56 It will defiantly run, however due to cheaper B350 boards having much poorer VRMs it may throttle when under an all core load, but maybe 200MHz, hard to say. The 3700x would work perfectly fine, I have one in my B350 Asus Prime-M-A which has a truly terrible VRM at 4+2 phase with no cooling

[@Astfgl]

I'm one of those suckers who bought a Core i5-7600K three years ago. Part of the reason was the lack of an upgrade path beyond the 7-series for my Z170 motherboard, and the i7-7700K was a step too far in price for me at the time. It's probably the biggest case of buyer's remorse for me, but recently I made it into a couch gaming PC and it's quite alright for running casual games at 4K 60 fps with my "old" GTX 1080 graphics card.

[@Nathan-gj8ch]

Resell values on the z170 mobo on ebay will recoup alot of the system cost they are still going for a lot. IDK why

[@anmolsaxena_]

@@Nathan-gj8ch its kinda crazy how i7 7700k's and z170 motherboard bundles (no ram. Just the CPU and mb) sell for $500+ AUD on eBay auctions
You can literally buy a Ryzen 5 3600, b450 motherboard and a cheap kit of ram for $500 AUD

[@Astfgl]

@@Nathan-gj8ch True, Intel parts tend to hold their value for a long time, though part of that is probably because Intel is so stubborn in never reducing their retail prices until stocks are depleted. But my 7600K is now at the heart of what might be the prettiest PC I've ever built so I'm not thinking of reselling it.

[@topmech71]

I don't know if there was any real gain with the i7-7700k...notoriously runs hot and marginal gains in reviews I've read. I have the i7-6700k and it still smokes at 4.7ghz. Would run higher but don't like putting that much voltage in it.

[@Duncan23]

4k 60fps on a 1080? not happening....

[@M00NM0NEY]

Gotta love it when Hardware Unboxed does the revisit series. I still love my Ryzen 5 1600. But seeing cpu technology advance in just 3 years makes this series show how much things have changed. Great work Steve!

[@ConorDoesItAll]

Agreed, my 1600 is still processing in my main gaming machine.

[@risseer23]

If i was able to upgrade my 6700k to an 8700k without buying an new motherboard a few years ago i would had done it going to an 7700k would had been an complete waste since i already OC my 6700k to 4.8ghz. Intel is hella greedy and i will be buying AMD next.

[@kraithaywire]

I had an i5 7500 for well over 3 years. I recently upgraded to the Ryzen 2600 as I was sick of the constant hitching, slowdowns, bottlenecks due to the 7500. I haven't experienced any of those problems with the 2600.

[@main_tak_becus6689]

What gpu are you pairing it with? Contemplating upgrading my R5 2600 or the gpu. Using RX 570 4gb rn because I mostly play games from 2007-2016 and it is enough for the time being, but many of my ps2 games collection can't play full speed.

[@gamingedition5165]

Valdis Knight wait for 6600xt n get that instead.

[@kraithaywire]

@@main_tak_becus6689 I have an RX 580. The 7500 bottlenecked my 580 pretty severely. It was dropping frames to low 30s in Assassin's Creed Origins and Odyssey. Watch Dogs 2, RDR2, Assetto Corsa Competizione, recent NFS were all borderline unplayable with the 7500.

[@joeyvdm1]

@@main_tak_becus6689 I can emulate my entire PS2 (PCSX2 1.6) collection at full speed with my 3700x/2080s. But I don't know how much help that is. But in theory, an RX570 should absolutely be enough to emulate PS2 games at full speed up to at least 1080p I think.
But I am not to sure, I think NVIDIA has always had a performance edge with PCSX2 emulation. You would have to do some research into that. But PCSX2 itself does need very strong per core performance, so the 2600 might also be an issue. It is difficult to tell.

[@main_tak_becus6689]

@@gamingedition5165 what I'm grieving is my nephew's pc with i3 9100f/RX 570 4gb/2*4gb ddr4 2400 runs the same game at higher fps (55-60) while mine is 40ish in the same game scene. Recently wanted to run through Ratchet and Clank series but this kind of performance just killed my excitement.

[@megametallifan]

Consider me one of those "milked" by Intel with the 7600K. In hindsight, I can't believe I paid that much back in January 2017...

[@lordof7seas]

If you are not a gamer, you got scammed.

[@lagarttemido]

We all warned you the AMD Ryzen was a better buy at the time and that the more fps argument was silly.

[@Astfgl]

I feel your pain. Though admittedly the 7600K still performs quite decently so long as you don't try to play any recent AAA games or high-end workstation applications.

[@renkei7864]

I bought a 6700k when they came out and I still feel ripped off lmao

[@risseer23]

@@renkei7864 Eh i have an 6700k and i don't feel ripped off because at the time all AMD had was FX which i already had and it was bad for the games i played.

[@SoriPop]

2017: The begining
2019: History was written right in front of our eyes
2020: Its coming

[@fabiusmaximuscunctator7390]

CPU Wars: Return of the Zen

[@Arbiter099]

@@fabiusmaximuscunctator7390 someday, hopefully, Intel Strikes Back
competition is good

[@mitchell3876]

@@Arbiter099 not yet, they still technically have the gaming performance crown

[@fabiusmaximuscunctator7390]

@@Arbiter099 hope so too, otherwise AMD just get another Intel. One Intel is more than enough

[@ahmadhalabiah3714]

In future we will see i9 with zen5+ 3nm arctcher

[@nickolasgaspar9660]

In 2013 I built a HEDT intel workstation . The processor's cost alone, an i7 3930K(6c12t) was about 600euros. This spring I replaced it with a much faster 8c/16t AMD r7 2700x(160 euros!). The price for the whole build didn't exceed 600 euros....and I can still upgrade to a 3900x or 3950x, an extra plus!

[@MarshallSambell]

Rip Money, you should have stayed on that platform bought a Xeon 1680 v2 and then overclocked it, my one at 4.6ghz smacks the 2700x in gaming

[@nickolasgaspar9660]

@@MarshallSambell You missed the word "workstation. That means I don't play games , Ionly use it for 3d rendering and some light retrogaming (while waiting the render to finish).
The AMD cpu is x4 faster rendering the same scenes and with the same mild overclock 4.1Ghz.
4x faster 3x times cheaper...that was a hell of a deal.

[@Thefuror38500]

@@MarshallSambell old Xeon are not really suitable anymore for productivity due to the lack of modern instructions.
In gaming, they've becamed really impressive

[@gurjindersingh3843]

If you can buy a €600 CPU in 2013, you can do the same in 2020 and get a much faster CPU like R9-3900X. To me it sounds more like a "side-grade" than an upgrade.

[@monkeyman2728]

Can we also give a shout out to ryzen 3300x for doing so well for a 4 core cpu?
That single ccx really seems to be doing wonders

[@Katastra_]

Just imagine if the rumors of 8 core CCXs for Zen 3 or 4 are true

[@topmech71]

@@Katastra_ You would need a fire extinguisher for that probably.

[@ahmadzabeer983]

@@topmech71 You're mixing it up with Intel bruh

[@everope]

4700G is 8 cores on 1 CCX, does 4.8 GHz all core and 2.2 GHz IF...
And that's still Zen2, imagine what Zen 3 will be capable of :)

[@selohcin]

@@everope That 4.8 GHz was only achieved with extreme cooling. You won't get more than 4.6 with an AIO and not even that with the stock cooler.

[@abingeorge4984]

Steve reminds me every year that I ignored his wisdom.

[@fitsumtessema7456]

"welcome to Harvard Unboxed" for today

[@kraithaywire]

I love how everyone here has embraced this meme. So cool and wholesome.

[@madeyudhiarsana8018]

@Politically WOKE Hindus turn on english subtitles, restart the video.

[@frieza1016]

some random guy in this comment section who doesn't understand the video::
wHy ArE yOu CoMpErInG A 4c cPu WiTh a 6c CpU

[@kajmak64bit76]

So true xd

[@rockamvs8567]

But there is Ryzen 3 3100 and Ryzen 3 3300 both are annihilating Ryzen 5 1600 and Intel i5

[@takehirolol5962]

That guy was utterly destroyed...

[@kristijanknezevic9407]

your question is pretty dumb , and the answer to that is because they where around the same price point !

[@BroniranEnotBG]

*same price

[@DatOneGuy901]

all i got from this video is "your r5 1600 you have in your htpc is just fine, dont upgrade"

[@tanebadi]

same here, lol! my htpc sports a weak R9 380, so it's locked at 60fps at best, my 1600 will keep going till it dies or cant handle anything anymore.

[@ZeroDivide]

WOAH! That thumbnail description was a shock! "Core i5-7600K 2020 Edition". My brain interpreted it as Intel re-releasing the i5-7600K in 2020, I was like "WTF Intel, WHY?!!!" xD

[@forza1sra]

20% club!

[@soonerproud]

+1

[@katech6020]

Same

[@ddpwe5269]

and only the 20%'rs know what it means =)

[@GarytheDean]

YES! 1600 is my CPU, I love it still.

[@assassinponcik9587]

Dude 1600 sucks.

[@davidnguyen1622]

@@assassinponcik9587 Who are you but to tell them that their CPUs suck? If they love it, let be. It only sucks when you decide it's not enough for you anymore.

[@Pushing_Pixels]

Back when I bought my i5-6600 the consensus seemed to be "just buy an i5 and pour everything you can into your GPU". That turned out to be bad advice. Given the GPU is the easiest component to upgrade in the whole system I say put your money towards quality base components (MB, CPU, RAM, SSD, and even a decent case) and you'll have a system that could last for 2-3 GPUs.

[@kaapuuu]

Thats soo true . If i had gone with Ryzen 1600 back then i could put 3600 in same mobo , and now even pair it with RTX 3070 ....

[@syncmonism]

When these first came out, I tried to convince my friend to get one of the new Ryzen CPUs instead (either a 1600 or a 1400). He didn't listen :(

[@loroger9754]

Googlar It pays to learn.

[@vasilije94]

No offense, but why would he listen to you when literally every benchmark at the time showed that those 4 cores smoke out 6 core 12 thread CPU on like 99% of the games at the time. And by a large margin. Also let's not forget how rushed the Ryzen launch was. Memory problems, bios problems, voltage problems... So yea, for a simple gamer, 7600k was a better choice. Me personally, i waited with my PC build because of that shitty minning craze and insane GPU prices. I bought 2700x when it came out. Glad i waited. Ryzen + was sooo much better than original and it worked from a day one. First ryzen lineup had a lot of problems. Something people seem to forget all the time.

[@giglioflex]

@@vasilije94 TF are you talking about. There were only problems getting higher frequencies not memory problems in general. There were no BIOS or voltage problems either.
"No offense, but why would he listen to you when literally every benchmark at the time showed that those 4 cores smoke out 6 core 12 thread"
Maybe because his friend doesn't have a high end graphics card (which is what buying a mid range CPU would suggest) and thus wouldn't see a majority of that benefit to begin with. Or he plays at 1440p and above or he doesn't have a high refresh rate monitor.
It doesn't take a genius to see that the 7600K was running at full load and thus would loose performance over time as games demand more resources. If you aren't in a position to benefit from the increased gaming performance now, it makes a ton of sense to get the 1600 for better performance in the future.
Not to mention, if you account for motherboard and CPU cooler cost, the 7600K is quite a bit more expensive. The Ryzen platform was and is still far more upgradable.
People who bought the 7600K are short-sighted, plain and simple.

@@vasilije94 lol I built 50-60 Ryzen 1600 and 1700 systems, they were fine.

[@tonymorris4335]

@ If you built that many you likely were using the same or similar ram and parts for all of them. It's unlikely you rolled the dice and tried 50-60 different types of ram. That's not that indicative of overall issues with memory.

[@Marcus221179]

My i5-6600K @ 4.6GHz Core and Cache at 1.36V with RAM @ 2933MHz 14-14-14-34-1T OC came at R15: 203 Singlecore and 768 Multicore. R20: 489 Singlecore and 1868 Multicore.

[@arunthomasat]

Wow! My i5 8250u does 1655 on R20 multicore with some undervolting!

[@raresmacovei8382]

I have the same-ish single core and double the multicore on a R5 3600 in R20.

[@Pushing_Pixels]

Wow. My 6600 non-K only ever got about 605 multicore on R15. It's boost was 3.9 GHz. Who knew an 18% overclock could net 25% more performance?

[@Marcus221179]

You're must set the priority of cinebench to real-time and you're have a few points more.

[@Gargantura]

Me with a 7700hq: *sad intel mobile noises

[@vncube1]

Let me me join in :'(

[@NotAnAlienlol]

I just got the Asus rog with the 9750 and it's pretty good for mobile CPUs they've come so far since then

[@pauloalmeida3728]

I have a i5-4440 so yeah

[@chriswright8074]

7300hq

[@aguy3664]

Atleast it has 4c 8t

[@paradyme]

This video has convinced me to buy a 3300x to replace my 6600k. Then in a few years I can still upgrade to an 8+ core 4000 series cpu if I want.

[@DirtyPoul]

That's a good plan, depending on your current GPU, your needs, and if you cannot wait to skip the 3300X and go for the 4000 series directly.
Buying the 3300X now is a good choice. Then upgrade to 8c 4000 series (one 8 core CCX will be a monster for gaming!) in a year or two when prices have lowered and the 3300X begins to struggle. You really can't do much better than that.

[@EmilioFigueroa]

I just upgrade from my 4790k from back in 2014 and needless to say the difference is astounding

[@Joker-no1fz]

i just bought a 3600 going from 4690k. waiting on mother board and then ill build the system. just going to use my current rx480 until new gpu come out.

[@Ic3B0X007]

My I5 8600K OC at 2 years still solid !

[@pranav191999]

Another great CPU intensive benchmark that would be very interesting to see would be Civilization 6. Shows pretty good scaling across frequency and core count.
Great content as usual, always interesting to see how much a of difference stiff competition makes for the industry!

[@rayk7307]

Still have my 1600, still works like a little beast

[@Jack_Sparrow131]

Used to have i5 - 6600k.. ditched & bought i7 - 7700 (non-k)
Ditched later & bought Tomahawk B450 & Ryzen 2600
OC the 2600 to 4.0Ghz & paired it with 3200MHz RAM.. & it's indeed amazing CPU at 2018 (time of the buy)
At the end.. my GTX 1080 was the bottleneck (at 1440p).. Might upgrade to Big Navi or RTX 3080 later this year

[@miniweeddeerz1820]

Your 2600 will bottleneck those at 1440p

[@tomstech4390]

@@miniweeddeerz1820 You don't know what game he's talking about, He might be talking about battlefield 5 on ultra with 4x msaa or cyberpunk 2077, You don't know.

[@Jack_Sparrow131]

@@miniweeddeerz1820 Not everyone want 144fps at low settings (PS3 graphics) Lol
My aim is Ultra 60 fps with 1440p - 2160p
Most of my games are Offline triple AAA games (like AC, Tomb Raider, Horizon Zero Dawn, Witcher 3..etc)

[@chrinaldi]

Hammer on Box with another benchmark revisit. A nice start for my weekend!

[@CharcharoExplorer]

Other things of note:
Original Price for i5 7600K - 242 USD as per Intel ARK
No cooler
Does have IGPU.
Original Price for Ryzen 5 1600 - 219 USD
Has a Wtaith Spire, a decent enough to OC lightly on it cooler
Does not have an iGPU.
Obviously, the 1600 was the superior overall long-term choice. It is also price-matched with the i5 7600 NON K. It also has an upgrade path, unlike Intel Z270 platform.
With that said, the 7600K is not a rebrand but a refresh of the 6600K and it does better than expected. It was a poor buy as soon as Ryzen 5 launched, but I expected even worse from it.

[@dondraper4438]

To be fair the benchmarks were done with nothing running in the background. In realistic use case scenarios, the Ryzen 5 will perform noticeably better. With that being said, I am a big fan of what intel did with the i5 10600k. It took 3 years, but it's a mid range gaming cpu I can recommend.

[@katech6020]

@@dondraper4438 If you can buy it. all 10gen intel CPUs are out of stock, I feel like it is a paper launch

[@dondraper4438]

@@katech6020 True, but whenever it comes back in stock it's a pretty nice cpu for purely gaming.

[@katech6020]

@@dondraper4438 In my country pricing it is not, since it is almost same price as 3700X here. Seller here make intel, Nvidia and Asus parts more expensive

[@Scitch87]

"Welcome back to Harvard unboxed."
Steve did finally graduate!!! Congratulations!

[@steveweidig5373]

Steve: Welcome back to Hardware Unboxed
TH-cam: Welcome back to Harvard Unboxed

[@JohnSmith-jz9ee]

Harbor Unboxed :P

[@andyderp6473]

I hate this CPU personally,wish I had bought the 7700k at the time,the 1% lows are so noticeable(maybe more so in my case) and especially in my favourite games like hunt and tarky,Im so value focused I've been biting my tongue waiting for the new ryzen lineup can not wait!

[@joeyvdm1]

You are right bud, the HT enabled 7700k really makes a huge difference nowadays. You really do need at least an 4c/8t CPU minimum these days for gaming with new and demanding games.
But Zen3 is not far, and good things come to those who wait. So your patience will be well rewarded. I did the same thing, I waited patiently many many years to upgrade my 2600k. And I continued waiting till Ryzen 3rd gen, and finally grabbed an 3700X last year.
And I couldn't be happier. But that was a massive upgrade from 2nd gen Core (Sandybridge) to an 3rd gen Ryzen (Zen2). But for you, I think waiting for Zen3 is the correct choice, it will be a larger upgrade, considering 7th gen Core (Kabylake) does have very decent IPC, you would feel an bigger improvement going to Zen3 instead of Zen2.
And Zen3 has an reported 10%-20% IPC improvement and an 8 core CCX, among other improvements. So it is worth the wait in your case. I will be upgrading my 3700X to an 4950X as well, but that is for work, and I wouldn't be upgrading if not for that sole reason.

[@Pushing_Pixels]

I had an i5-6600 non-K and I feel you. It wasn't long till I regretted not getting the i7. I should've spent less on the GPU and more on the CPU, but that wasn't what people were saying to me back then.

[@TheClearStalker]

@@Pushing_Pixels Yeah same here..i bought i5-6600 in 2016 and the next year it was already struggling in BF1, it was running at 100% all the time bottlenecking my poor 1060..i sold it last year for 100€ and got myself a nice 3700x, loving the cpu.

[@risseer23]

Yup which is why i am glad i got an 6700k over an 6600 waiting on Zen3/3000 series Nvidia to go all in. Will be selling my 6700k Asus Maximus hero alpha 8/ Asus Strix 1080ti by the end of the year.

[@TheClearStalker]

@@risseer23 Yeah it was a great choice..if i had went for 6700 instead of 6600, i would still have it and would upgrade to ZEN3 too..but everyone said i7 are waste of money for gaming back then..you did a good choice.

[@50H3i1]

It's amazing that Today we can buy a cheap cpu which is solid for gaming for many years .
I'm wondering what is the next thing that makes games more cpu heavy . One thing could be next gen ssd (like in ps5's or faster) cause very fast SSDs can use lot of cpu power to operate

[@joeyvdm1]

Yes, and PS5 and Series X actually have specific decompression engine blocks built into them, to handle and accelerate all texture and SSD data coming in.
th-cam.com/video/nUQsTFbXnnk/w-d-xo.html
Sony estimates their decompression hardware is equal to 9 Zen2 CPU cores, and Microsoft estimates that theirs is equal to 3-5 Zen2 CPU cores. On PC Microsoft is giving us the new DirectX Storage API to help us, but we still don't have the decompression hardware to help us.
The next gen consoles can use all their CPU cycles just for the game and GPU, where our PCs have to use the CPU for all of it. I am quite interested to see how this affects us going into next gen myself.

[@bwellington3001]

imagine all these people saying that ryzen 3xxx is not good enough

[@50H3i1]

@@bwellington3001 ryzen 3000 saved us . But I don't care if a cpu or gpu is 0.5nm or 14nm as long as it tops the harware unboxed 's dollar per frame chart I'll buy it .

[@50H3i1]

@@joeyvdm1 I think more cpu cores will be more common when these ultra fast ssds become more mainstream in pc market (like 16cores or more)
or maybe the recommend ram will get to 32gb to make up for it but that way it'll be more costly especially with the DDR5 on the horizon

[@Rhino123freak]

It's great that we have amazing options now, but that doesn't mean they are future proof by any means. As hardware gets more and more powerful, software and game developers grow more and more reliant on the expectations of higher performance.
This results in rather poor optimisation.
A fine example is CoD pushing out 200 gb of storage requirements now that storage is so cheap.

[@gypsy00]

I am still running i5 7600 non K. Planning on replacing it with the upcoming Ryzen 4000.

[@elham7459]

7:38
i5-7600K: Look at me, 144 fps!
R5 1600: IDK, it feels like 60 fps.
i5-7600K: Eyes on the counter, peasant!

[@Dazzxp]

@@gloup81 you using an RTX2080Ti? Me thinks not

[@alaintchimnang9238]

Intel: SeE??...YOu StIlL dOn'T NeEd MoRe ThAn 4 cOrEs

[@Taurus_Play]

AMD : SeE ?? OUr sTuPiD hAmSTeRs StIL gONa BuY oUr OuTdAtEd CPuS

[@humanbeing9079]

@@Taurus_Play from r/Intel?

[@Taurus_Play]

@@humanbeing9079 from r/reality

[@zigaklun3395]

well in only 2 games ryzen was faster.

[@Taurus_Play]

AMDtards wining a RAKE 🏆 every time

[@spun_01]

We now need to see the same levels of competition and advancement in the GPU space. Insane pricing and only incremental generational gains have gone on long enough.

[@toddfrombethesda6963]

Man it’s such a shame. I brought a 7600 in 2019 and it was already starting to show its age. A year later and I was forced to upgrade to an 8 core

[@SajidPajid]

I'm a 7600k user. I bought the CPU when it came out. And I've been looking for something like this for a long time to see how my 7th gen CPU fares in today's games against newer gens..

[@haralabospap7091]

You could go with Ryzen 3000 Series (maybe a Ryzen 5 3600) but I would suggest you wait for the Ryzen 4000 series.

[@SajidPajid]

Haralabospap that's actually what I've been thinking for a while now. Thanks

[@haralabospap7091]

@@SajidPajid I mean, even if the i5 7600k is now entry level, it's still usable. But I think next gen will make it somewhat obsolete for any task.

[@TroubleshootGamingMeds]

I love these kinds of videos thank you for making them!

[@Soverax]

Bought a 7600k when it came out. Paired it with a gtx1080 and it was working fine.. for the first 6 months. Then PUBG came out and I would experience constant stuttering and 100% CPU usage even when clocked at 4.8G. Never felt sadder in my life. Upgrading to 7700k was the next best step but that would’ve set me back 500EUR. As soon as AMD3000 series came out I grabbed a 3600 with a new mobo for less than 300EUR, which cost less than buying a 2nd hand 7700k at the time. 7600KantProcessForShit was sold immediately to some intel fanboy for 220EUR with the MSI z270 I had. So yeah, 80EUR for a solid upgrade - thank you AMD!!!

[@MGsubbie]

I remember having a reddit debate back in 2017. Someone asked for advice for which CPU to get, one person recommended the 7600k, I recommended the R5 1600. He kept saying that 4c/4t is all that is necessary, focusing exclusively on average fps, and that it would keep performing much better. Even went as far as to call me an AMD fanboy when I have an Intel + Nvidia build. Wish I could show him this video.

[@MarcosCodas]

It's great to see that not only is my OG 1600 doing quite well when compared to the Intel processor for what I do, but also is holding its own against the modern Ryzen 4-cores AND the Ryzen 7s of the world. Which means my decision to not buy into Ryzen 3000 when it came out was well timed. Now, just wait a couple more years and buy a Ryzen 4000 when they're discounted after whatever comes next gets announced! If needed. Right now, the 1600 is doing GREAT.

[@blackmennewstyle]

I'm proud to be part of the 20% club but kinda sad that our loyalty is not really rewarded like it should be :p

[@Safetytrousers]

You should be watching a video like this because you are liking watching it. You shouldn't have to be rewarded for doing an elected leisure activity.

[@TechWithSean]

I had the 6600k for a while, it was a pretty decent chip in its day.

[@ChildrenOfDesire]

Welcome back to harbor unboxed

[@WarriorsPhoto]

I like what you said about how far we’ve come. It’s true that we’re starting to see leaps and bounds. I am glad to see that competition is helping to move us forward. (:

[@NeerazaL]

Hi HU, probably should mentioned if user want to upgrade for better 1080p experience then a CPU upgrade is needed for AAA games (RDR2 etc.), or just go for a 1440p monitor upgrade with the I5-7600k would be a better choice instead, if the user itself have a RTX2080TI or RTX2080 Super

[@mikesilver9285]

@hardwareunboxed should you retest this now with radeon gpus to compare the 1600 to the 7600..... just curious considering the lastest findings of nvidia vs radeon gpus on cpu fps

[@prashant4956]

we need video on 7600k with the new rtx 3000 series such as 3070 and 3080. You doing great job @Hardware Unboxed.

[@cayoyoshimura9570]

I upgraded from a i5 3330 to a r5 2600 recently for workstation... Man, that's insane

[@Grandmaster-Kush]

The i7 7700k for us z170 owners is still beast :)

[@risseer23]

Using the slightly older brother and it still gives me great frames and minimal stutter,that should be changing soon tho.

[@everope]

I have a Xeon X5675 6C/12T OC to 4.5 GHz. Triple channel mem 1600C8. Still holds up for almost all games and doesn't get hot.

[@jackoneill84]

This is great content. Big fan of the revisit series.

[@williaamlarsson]

Damn, just got a i5 12600K as an upgrade from a i5 6600K and even the jump from the 7600K to the 10600K is huge. I will experience a massive uplift for sure 🤯

[@amcdonald7479]

You can see these older ryzen starting to mean more in games lately. There are many games now pulling 6 cores 12 threads . cod warzone, apex legends I think even pulls more threads. It is making these 1st gen ryzen more meaningful than they where on release. If I had the choice of a 7600k or a 1600.... With the battle royal style games I play id take the 1600 now. Probably on release it would have been the 7600k. My self I moved away from intel cause I do not like what they are doing lately. I decided to switch to a x570 board with a 3600 and wait on ryzen 4000. Will move up to at least an 8 core at that point and be ready for the new wave of games. 6 cores for now is more than enough for gaming. Cod warzone uses all my cores and 10 threads stressed with 2 that looks like they are set aside for my other functions. My friend actually run a 1700 ryzen and Im shocked at his fps in apex legends it really does smash it now in 2020. Those extra cores give him results not far away from my 3600 its very very close. It would make more sense for you guys benching these older CPUs to actually bench a newer game that actually uses more than single thread. Otherwise all your benching is driver updates. The new consoles have 8 cores for a reason. Expect games to be running those 8 cores and probably 16 threads in games for 2021. For now mainstream gaming goes up to 6 core 12 threads. The reason you saw tomb raiders huge jump in performance is due to exactly what I just said btw. Should select your games by engine not game. A lot of these games are using game engines at least 5-7 years old even if the game is "newer"

[@MbahAgis]

My 7600k use conductonaut since 2017, and not re-paste until now. Still solid 5.1Ghz OC 👻

[@tribawonosarjonoputra1134]

I have to say, my 8700K still beast, at least for 2 or 3 years to go 🙏

[@risseer23]

Yeah the 8700k has legs for a few more years maybe more.

[@Syedhumza_17]

More than 3 years it has 6 cores more than enough for heavy gaming and streaming

[@sabreracer]

Nicely timed as I'm doing a 3800X build tomorrow from this old man

[@achondar1]

I bought the r5 1600 3 years ago. and plan to upgrade to a 3600 when the 4000 launces and the 3600 drops in price.
the upgrade path was for me a big plus. The 7600 had nog upgrade path.

[@ggghh1]

Just upgraded from a 7600k to a 3700x. Well i bought the parts, still waiting for them. Really notice the cpu slowing games down

[@ivailoivanov01]

Oh baby my ryzen 5 3600 is a monster... probably gonna use it 3-5 more years!!!

[@ivailoivanov01]

@Mifthahul Fikri Yeah you are right, I'm just not sure if it will bottleneck an rtx 3000 if I'm able to get one next year. Currently I'm running a low/mid tier rtx 2060.

[@INSANEDOMINANCE]

Hope you guys are doing and feeling well through this pandemic. Thank you for the content, its always fun to watch!

[@MirelRC]

4:12 but you've included i5 7600k OC results...

[@DanWhoElse]

Yeah i don't understand not OC the 1600??

[@807800]

You really should include the 1600 OC results since its max all core boost is pretty low.

[@Al3ksandrOrlov]

I had the 1600, bought it in early 2018, had it with a 1060 3GB and a 1070Ti, since got a 3600, and now it lives in my PC for lans and hosting a minecraft server, which also has a RX 580, its still a good CPU.

[@dilet1114]

I thought I was done with Intel once I retired my 2500K.
Then my X470 board fails and now I'm using it again with a 5700XT. I have to say it can still handle games very nicely...

[@everope]

I'm loving the revisits

[@herbertholland924]

I love these revisits!

[@Aluminator82]

I upgraded from the 7600k, which was OC'd at 4.6 gHz to a 3700x which runs at 4.25Ghz. Huge difference!

[@shaneeslick]

G'day Steve & Teddy Jr,
Before playing some games today I think I'll run CB-R20 with my R5 1400 & 16GB@3200MHz RAM to see how I go compared to the i5-7600K,
I guess it should be just behind the R5 3400G (Zen+) in your graph

[@salehamini2036]

Thanks for your hard works Steve.
Stay healthy and safe.
Your benchmarks are awesome but I'm rocking a 3rd gen i3 for now :D

[@JD96893]

i've said it before, Quad cores are still going strong! They aren't going obsolete any time soon. The 7600k was lacking somewhat in games, but the performance wasn't that bad and only really struggled in 1% lows! If it had SMT the 7600k would be adequate for a couple more years as far as gaming. Today's quad cores with SMT like the 3300X will last much longer. I think this video disproves Steve's somewhat unfounded belief that Quad cores like the 3300X will go obsolete in a couple more years. As far as gaming goes this is far from the truth!

[@matmat6031]

i am still using 1600 now and would upgrade only if 4000 series come out.

[@StudioBrock1337]

I still don't regret my 6600k. I paid $240 CAD for it which is a bit of a deal. The systems been crazy reliable running at 4.6ghz with my cheap ram running at 2999mhz.
It's cool, it's quiet, it keeps up with my 2060 perfectly and I regularly enjoy 100+FPS gaming.
And the R3 3300x is way faster at everything.
Still I'd like to wait till there's the new Ryzen platform, hopefully on DDR5 where I can jump to an 8 or 12 core CPU. By that point my 6600k will be worth about $2 and half the speed of an i3!

[@subhajitchatterjee9688]

I upgraded from a Core 2 Quad Q6600 to an i5 7600...and it was a massive upgrade for me. Will wait until ddr5 becomes mainstream before upgrading...I mostly play older AAA games and indie games. So that CPU is fine for those tasks...

[@ernestwinslow7316]

I really enjoyed the video. Quick one, I am current using the i5 7600k cpu I got 2017 and plan to keep it for the upcoming gpu releases( Ampere or Big Navi). Would the i5 7600k be a source of bottleneck for the anticipated much improved gpus. This is predominantly for flightsim gaming.

[@itstheweirdguy]

Man it's hard to make the R5 3600 look bad. So happy I got it.

[@Piterixos]

I'm still waiting for another round with the games released since then.

[@ElladanKenet]

Question:
I have an i5-7600K. It has been very reliable. I run an elderly GTX 960 4gb GPU. I mainly have played a few perennial titles for the last several years: World of Warcraft, Civ 5 and 6, CK 2, HoI4, SWTOR, a little bit of EVE Online. Most recent game I probably played was Shadows of Mordor, and I had no graphical issues at all, though I didn't bother with the graphics settings. I would say my goal is 1080p with 60 fps on incoming titles and a thought of pushing 1440 on older titles.
I am considering going up to a new GPU, probably a 1660S or 2060S. In my research, I stumbled upon several websites that argued that my CPU and motherboard (MSI z270) were very limiting and and would not even support the 1660S, much less the 2060S. I was looking at 15-25% bottlenecking.
But, one of my good friends said that the websites were a load of bull, that bottlenecking is not a serious concern, and that even if it did bottleneck, it would be barely noticable, like 84 frames instead of 120 frames or something.
I admit I'm very green on this topic, but is there merit to either argument?

[@1GTX1]

More and more new games are having problems with 4 thread CPUs, if it had 4 cores and 8 threads it would have been a beast still.

[@tahukotak692]

Wow this is very interesting ! Like this video

[@manbat_xd]

I have a i7-7740x and x299 dark... On the shelf xD

[@Ozaron]

It'll be a great joke for years to come

[@reinbeers5322]

Something that AMD has made possible is gaming at much lower entry prices.
In 2017, I built a system using an i3 6100 and a H110 board.
Now, just recently, I got a 1600AF and a B450 board for only 40€ more, and that's not only triple the cores, but also a much better set of VRMs and connectivity.
It's only been 2 years and a 6core is cheaper than a dual core from back then.

[@MrManpreetmatharoo]

Happy to see this as I am 1600 owner
Thanks steve

[@soareslx]

Great video as usual but I have to ask: Ryzen 1st gen on X570 motherboard? I thought it wouldn't work 🤔

[@NoahiShere2667]

Thnks steve, quality content as usual, though i would suggest (if u re gonna do these old cpu comparaisons) to add ubisoft games to the games tested, anything from watch dogs 2 to recent assassin's cree titles have mind boggling cpu usage and quad cores aint gonna cut it for them anymore.

[@rangersmith4652]

Intel could have provided much higher core counts and across-the-range SMT on 14nm chips years ago. Not doing so could be seen as a smart business decision, but many enthusiasts are looking back and thinking, "Why should I reward a company that purposely held back performance for so long?" Thank you, AMD, for forcing Intel to get with the program.

[@therealist2000]

Ryzen 3 1200 and Ryzen 5 1400 next please? also some GPU scaling to go along with these benchmarks would be nice

[@anthonykhoury7388]

7600k still a single-core threading monster and still keeps up with modern cpus

[@Nathan-gj8ch]

I just built a AMD system 2600 to replace my 6800k@4.6 both have 5700 gpu but I have not moved over all my files and am using both same time. I can't tell a difference in games like 3-4 fps difference and everyday stuff is just about the same. I guessing the only time I'll ever note the improved performance is if I get a bigger GPU or render videos and I only do that like 5 times a year.

[@kustu]

Why? That was a clear downgrade. 6800K at stock wipes the floor with Ryzen 2600.

[@miniweeddeerz1820]

Why? A 6800k with 6 cores 12 threads has a higher clock speed when it's at 4.6ghz, and although it's a little worse than a 2600 when it comes to IPC(I think) it's barely an upgrade. Should've gone for a 8 core Ryzen zen2.

[@Nathan-gj8ch]

@@miniweeddeerz1820 I had not seen any direct benchmarks from x99 stuff to amd Ryzen, most reviewers just over look x99 like it's to old to even test I seen a few stock clock vs stock tests but nothing with a x99 at a normal 4.5Ghz oc

[@miniweeddeerz1820]

@@Nathan-gj8ch rip wallet. Well st least you are on am4 so there is some kind of upgrade path to a cheaper 3900x or setting

[@Nathan-gj8ch]

@@kustu I have had the same x99 system since launch day i think it was 2014, 5820k I got from microcenter is still ok too.

[@OvertimeX86]

Currently using a Xeon E3-1280 V5 basically at i7-6600 but with smart cache I assume, not sure if the smart cache helps with gaming much?

[@mnkrocker12]

Still got it and i about to change it for the 3600X

[@MickdeRaad]

Welcome to Harvard Unboxed!

[@dragonitedla44]

I was gifted a 7600k in 2018 but I didnt have a budget to upgrade my dual core 4th gen build to a Z series 7th gen board and ram. I sold the chip and bought a used Xeon, added some cash and upgraded from a 750ti to an RX 570. Still going strong til now and my productivity isnt that far from 7600k performance

[@mikenotpike]

The i5-7600 (locked version of this) is essentially a i3-9100

[@JAYJAY-ch4ik]

Let’s be completely honest, my home network runs at 10gigabit, my internet connection is 2Gbps unlimited bandwidth. I am still using the I5 7600k.
I use handbrake to encode very often and I have 2 x Synology ds1019 with 60terabytes of space per server.
Even I don’t require the spanking new processor. Consumer hardware is pretty cheap my next build in 2-3 months when new processors drop is gonna be a ryzen 4series it’s good to have beefy hardware but seriously most often none of you use it heavier than me.

[@minklein]

made me feel good to see my 2700x on this chart :D

[@pedrojsg16]

You should make a video overcloking the R5 1600 (AF)

[@brozephstalin5007]

I owned a 7600k, even at 5.1ghz I still had to upgrade a year later, I needed the cores(and threads). (Yeah I had won the silicon lottery on that, I even had it boot at 5.2ghz on a hyper 212 evo, de-lided of course)

[@laatma985]

You got lucky there

[@XethmondeusWave]

Can you test Death Stranding core/thread scaling? I have seen some crazy numbers that I find hard to believe.

[@Strep3]

I still have R5 1600X with a decent cooler so it clocks itself at 3.7GHz all core, two cores boost at 4.1GHz + GTX1070. All games I play run smooth 1080p (At least @60fps). Still do not see the reason to upgrade. Maybe one day when i switch to 1440p or 4k...