The SpongeBob Spin-off Situation (and why I'm afraid to talk about it)
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SpongeBob means so much to me and I truly want to do a video talking about the entire series but recent events have VASTLY complicated the situation. If you have any information that can allow me to respectfully research the topic, please let me know. I want to do my best as a researcher but also as a considerate person to Stephen, his loved ones, and his legacy
Sup saber. Hey did you know swans can be gay!?
Why don’t you make a video of how good sponge Bob is
Hi
Can you review Moshi Monsters the movie?
Also, can you review Ratatoing? (In one video you said you had not seen it)
I find it ironic, because there was an entire episode of the show centered around Mr. Krabs over branding spongebob and it turning out horribly
F O R E S H A D O W I N G
-hypocrisy?-
Apparently that episode is a commentary on Nickelodeon making Spongebob a cash cow.
You talking about the episode where Mr. Krabs is old or is this a newer one?
SpongeBob is turning into the new Futurama; if it happened in an episode of SpongeBob, you can't prove it won't EVENTUALLY happen some time IRL. Key example: *this*
The only spinoff that would be acceptable would be a Patchy the Pirate show
Edit: I see that I caught a lot of people's attention so now I must say that even if it would be a good idea for a show... Nickelodeon would probably find a way to make the show unwatchable.
Amen to that
Based
Amen
Agreed
As long as they kept him from singing.
It's really annoying that they're just doing it for the money now.
Ok I’m not defending these shows or the shady actions of the network. But the fact that it ran from the nineties to 2018 even before Stephen passed…
I’m sure there was plenty of love and genuine artistry from the crew behind it but a show doesn’t run for multiple decades because people wanted it too.
At some point it’s gonna be about money and I say we hit that point ages ago.
NO WAY, YOUR THE GUY THATS FRIENDS WITH REKRAP2
Agree
I mean, it was always for the money. But before, they thought some level of quality and standards was part of what made them money (whether or not they met them are another thing). Now the execs seem to think beating a franchise into oblivion is a viable long term strategy, which VERY rarely works.
@@henrysmith9725 seems like so many franchises now are getting squeezed dry and then it's treated as something that just randomly happens rather than the result of trying to get things out ever faster and cheaper. (and losing what people liked about it in the process)
"Goodbye everyone I'll remember you all in therapy" was actually my senior yearbook quote
Give this man an emmy
That is perfect for this video to comment. Bravo
Why didn’t I think of that….meh I could use a sharpie
You are a legend.
"Take Care Everyone, Perhaps we'll meet again, *in therapy* "
My Future Senior Yearbook Quote lol
people say “you either die a spongebob or you live long enough to see yourself become a squidward”
nick kept reviving it long enough to become a mr krabs.
I'm already Mr krabs
Shoutout to spongebob for both raising and traumatizing me in its early days
Is my mom Spongebob?
Definetly.
Love the profile pic btw. Labyrinths an awesome movie.
I still cringe at the scene where Spongebob pealed Squidward's toe out with the couch
@@saadiq2424 BRUH that scene made me afraid of moving heavy objects it still makes me flinch as well 😂
@@saadiq2424 I've never seen the episode, but I've seen the GIFs and it *hurts* everytime it pops into my head..
This whole situation with Spongebob and the spinoffs is the perfect embodiment of the clip in the Spongebob movie where Mr. Krabs gets interviewed about why he wanted to open up the Krusty Krab 2 and his response is "Money."
It's so accurate it hurts.
Or when Mr. Krabs defiles a grave for money...
@@cameronbosch1213 Yeah. 😔
Or when he sells spongebob soul for a few cents
@@hanakoisbestgirl4752 Or when Plankton used him . . . FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT!
Yes
Is Nickelodeon really forgetting that awful bombshell called Planet Sheen? That's what happens when you have a spin off character show
That show was a horrible fever dream. I hate what they did to Sheen.
@@Kekira not only Sheen but they ruined Carl as well
As someone who never watched Planet Sheen, can I get clued in?
It was a terrible Jimmy newton spin-off that had a lot of gross out humour (like every 5 seconds), probably the worst intro I have ever see in a cartoon and somehow the cgi is worst then the original show, even when company should have improved its animation after all those years.
That's basically the show
@@ZephyrUltimate_ they take only sheen from the show, and put him on an alien world with an alien slug carl and some hot blue chick. The art style is worse than the cgi from sharkboy and lavagirl, and the writing is like the writers took the scene from the movie where sheen was doing show and tell, and decided sheen was to intelegent there and they needed to dumb him down. Without neutron there to contrast with it just doesn't work. Sheen's role in the original neutron show was to have a character that was living in such an obvious fantasy that jimmy and his crazy inventions could still feel grounded and relatively real in comparison. In planet sheen he literally is in the fantasy and nothing is grounded about anything.
I think its not just about the spinofs, its about the quality of it. Both of them are realy, reeeealy generic. Spongebob had an original idea, an idea that could be explored for years and years: Underwater adventures with some cientific base but with cartoon logic so its interesting, somehow educative but not boring. BOTH spinofs ignore the original idea of spongebob. They could have done spinofs with better quality. Imagine a Mr Krabs show that somehow talked about economics but with cartoon logic, so kids can find it funny and learn at the same time.
E X A C T L Y
Probably not with current mr krabs as he is a dirty cheapskate greedy bastard. But i would believe it with early season mr krabs.
I personally would looove to keep those kinds of politics out of spongebob
@@evandaymon8303 Yeah, it would be really entertaining to see how Mr. Krabs started the Krusty Krab business.
@@PongoDaMan i get why that would be the normal reaction, but most of the best and highest rated animated shows were the ones that looked at complicated topics without infantilizing them or being to blunt or preachy, while also not forgetting to be fun and comedic when appropriate. As long as the writers showed both the good and the bad, rather than just the bad of a system they don't like or just the good of a system they do, then it would work fine. I could see mister crabs showing capitalism as he creates his restaurant and is driven to work hard and be rewarded for his effort, but that turning sour as he becomes obsessed with profit and starts being exploitive and using shadier business practices. Maybe even give plankton a win and have the chum bucket become a more popular competitor due to not being as exploitive, thus causing mister crabs to have to reform some to regain his lost marketshare. I could also see sandy introducing spongebob to the idea of communism and them getting everyone involved. It working out fine and maybe squidward gets a chance to thrive under an environment where he is able to create art without stress, until perhaps someone gets mad at patrick for gaining even though he isn't contributing anything of value, and meanwhile mister crabs rises up the ranks until he is in control of distribution where his greed causes him to distribute unequally and skim some off the top for himself.
Fans: "why did you do it?"
Nick execs: "i like money"
I really didn’t like Kamp Koral and The Patrick Star show after seeing one episode. But it’s probably me and I’m too old to like cartoons anymore and should focus on big boy stuff like South Park or Family Guy
@@JonathanGaeta I wouldn't label those shows as "big boy stuff". They're pretty juvenile.
@@thekita6774 well you know how people are on why adults should watch adult content and not children content
@@JonathanGaeta Dude, no need to blame yourself for not liking those shows (I mean, really, i think nobody likes 'em, cuz it's just Nickelodeon milking Spongebob), and... If the cartoon is good, you can never be too old for it. We're all Goofy Goobers deep in the heart, you know
I've seen at least one to two episodes of the two spin-offs and they weren't horrible, just MEH their both passable. It remains to be seen if any of them will last longer than one or two seasons before they get cancelled or Nick decides that they have made enough of them to get their money's worth and just end their run to move on to their next idea to cash in on the franchise. You know I'm starting to think SpongeBob's creator made Mr. Crabs as a satire of Nickelodeon executives given that his "I like money!" quote is just so appropriate to describe Nick waiting to greenlighting spinoff shows and trying to create a SpongeBob cinematic universe, after the creator's death (though any of them that have a conscience would probably justify it to themselves and/or others by saying something like, "but we think he would have wanted it this way!" even if its just so they can sleep at night).
If we HAD to have a Spongebob spin-off, I'd go with a slightly more adult oriented sitcom about Squidward because let's face it we grew up to relate to him more than we'd like to admit lol
Right?? But gee, gotta get the kids to watch it! Who cares about the adults? I'd KILL to see a spin-off where Squidward is allowed to just be, with occasional visits from SpongeBob and Patrick, but let's make up for all of those years of Squidward Torture P*rn.
@@dannythedumbass3081 Honestly as a quasi-professional writer, this is how I'd handle it. The story is Squidward is at a low point in his life. His art isn't selling, nobody appreciates him for his musical skills and he questions how it all came to this. After seeing how depressing and mundane his life has become, rejection after rejection, he gets a letter from a reality show akin to America's Got Talent, American Idol, with a bit of Total Drama Island thrown in. It seems Spongebob wrote a letter nominating him for the show and they want Squidward. At first he's happy, thinking he's found a place where he can showcase his talent. However, when the votes come in, we see him desperate to stay on the show each week. Changing his look and music, doing more absurd and over the top things to win an audience. However, eventually he realizes what he's become, what he's been doing to make it this far and what the show is really about. It's a story about figuring out what you want in life, what success really is and that it's never too late to chase your dreams.
@@spencerbollettieri3550 I LOVE that!!! Really, the Nickelodeon writers need to take some notes, so many people would love that!
I’m not even 18 yet and I heavily relate to Squidward! The fact that the sad grumpy failing artist who works at a fast food place is the most relatable in the show says a lot about _s o c i e t y ._
@@redactedoktor I 100% agree. I'm 19 now and at one point wanted to be an artist, but alas, selling my art was much more difficult than a lot of people make it out to be. But hey, now I'm on a mission and getting my bachelor's degree in Criminal Justice with the hopes of helping at least one person get out of a bad situation, or saving one child from abuse or neglect, which is something I went through. All I'm saying is that there are other options. And honestly, that's good enough for me. 😁
The problem with wanting an MCU is that it took Marvel 60 years to earn one, 60 years of many failures, and many instances of nearly going out of business.
Exactly. It took years of establishment for Marvel to make their MCU. Why are companies so quick to cash in on that without realizing why it worked?
And now the trend of universe is slowly dying out. They are still going on but unless you are a diehard fan they are getting kind of bored of universes.
The MCU has that much material to work with and weave into a story for the format.
Unless Viacom was going to do something like make a weird series that's just a bunch of references to the previous episodes of the show, it's not really the same thing. I don't think it would work as well as what Marvel has made even if they did.
Everyone wants the popularity of MCU without understanding it or putting in any work to make it that way.
Worth noting that one of the "mistakes" that actually helped in the long run was when Marvel comics used Samuel L. Jackson's likeness for Nick Fury Jr., and he went after them for it. They were on the verge of absolute bankruptcy, so a deal was struck: If Nick Fury Jr. was ever slated to appear in a movie, Samuel would be cast without question. Decades later, and there's no alternative to MCU Fury; he's just THAT iconic. Dumb luck and a bit of shrewd business made one of the best superhero movie castings to this day, and it's impossible to imagine where the MCU would be without Sam.
Not to mention that the MCU was patient enough to not go full crossover until it was 5 years in.
As I've said before: THQ is honoring Hillenburg more and treating Spongebob better than Nickelodeon. Think about that for a moment
Definitely see the irony in that.
Didn't THQ die via UDraw?
@@miimiiandco they did, but they were acquired by Nordic Games, and the latter changed their name to THQ Nordic.
@@roomylego101
What does THQ stand for?
@@shiny9678 “Toy HeadQuarters”
The president saying Spongebob its "Their Marvel Universe" doesn't have any sense, Marvel had Gods, Space rangers, Aliens, Soldiers, Super humans and even Monsters and Ancient Warriors...only linked by the brand "Marvel" by the universe, but they are different between them, like Spider-Man or the Guardians of the Galaxy.
Spongebob is Spongebob, you have the world arround him but without him, its like Batman, make all the spinoffs you want...Nightwing, Harley Quinn, Batgirl...
Everything returns...to Batman.
Extending without sense and over-exploting a franchise its always bad, cuz you ruin their quality, The soul, The thing what makes the Fans Happy and money come...its stupid.
It’s the same reason Sony hasn’t been able to create a Ghostbusters or Spider-Man shared universe.
Let's also keep in mind that marvel takes itself way more seriously, which makes for an overall more worthwhile experience compared to SpongeBob which is just supposed to be light-hearted and funny
What started out as a humble, friendly and perky tv show, has now turned into boring, cringe, rock dumb corporate greed
Just like other shows that go on for too long like The Simpsons or Family Guy
They tried it with the Fairly Odd Parents and we know where that went. Now the Loud House is their next money making machine. Still can't believe what they did to Harvey Beaks.
I feel like Nickelodeon has no idea with Spongebob anymore.
Even themselves
Oh they do alright. Their minds are just "Money money money"
@@devilledeggmuncher Arrh that is the only good thing mi boy
They've been waiting Hillenburg to die just to make tons of Spongebob spinoffs till they eventually get rid of the original Spongebob show and only have spinoffs
They have no idea what to do with anything. It's been their cash cow for 20 years.
@@harryshuman9637 I think it fell in 2013. The cash grabbing was more evident.
Nick be like: Hillenburg? I don't care about Hillenburg, I only care about the people's money
Even though he never said he didn’t want spin-offs and that he just didn’t see them working properly
Hi! I like money!
Why did you make a second Spongebob?
Money!
@@Mooms this, he even WORKED on camp coral, it's in the credits.
Nickelodeon: Mr. Krabs
Steven Hillenburg: SpongeBob
@@lambybunny7173 I hate how people have twisted that quote so much, along with the fact Paul Tibbitt only made it stronger by saying that “Stephen wouldn’t have wanted this” (even though Paul barely knew him and only came onto the show after Stephen had left)
The only “spin-off” I’ll accept is Sponge Bob the Musical, it had so much love put into it. It deserved a better run and the songs slap
I actually like many of Spongebob's later episodes, especially the ones after Hillenburg returned. They remind me of the comics which I highly recommend. They're quite wholesome and really funny with unique art styles per comic.
"Hey patrick are you angry too?"
"yea!"
"What's the matter?"
"My spinoffs suck....uh I mean, I can't see my forehead"
Lol nice reference 😅
@@bluebunanimates6590wait, what is this a reference of? I want to watch it
@@SforSamPlays A spongebob reference.
@@SforSamPlays its a reference to a spongebob episode. The pretty patties episode maybe?
Perfect
Imagine draining the life out of our childhoods teehee
And the current generations childhood
How did you comment 21 mins ago when this was posted more that 11 minutes ago
_Hee hee_
@@TheOneAndOnlyClodsire it’s possible that this video was released early to his Patreon supporters (if he even has a Patreon. Otherwise, idk)
so nintendo
I was one of the kids who was never allowed to watch spongebob. I was allowed to watch buffy,Seinfeld,and a lot of adult shows, but god forbid the yellow sponge XD
I know a kid whos mom thinks spongebob is inappropriate, yet lets him watch rick and morty
me too. while other kids were watching spongebob, i was watching videotaped sermons about hellfire and brimstone 😂
@@royalblanket What the actual fuck.
xD my parents allowed me to view (SpongeBob) as a kid they didn't mind cartoons as-long it wasn't a (Adult-Swim) or a adult-animated cartoon.
@@elleaaaron6775 what were the chances on a scale of 1-10 that you grew up in a cult
"SpongeBob is our Marvel universe."
That actually sounds fucking terrible. The Marvel universe works because it focuses on so many different characters. SpongeBob SquarePants is focused on _SpongeBob SquarePants._ There are only so many other characters in the show and not enough layers to each of them.
They dedicated a whole episode to Fred the Fish, aka the “MY LEG!!!” guy, and only giving Spongebob a few cameos. The main focus of the ep was just Fred.
Not only that but as much as I love SpongeBob, you can only get so far with a comedy show in that respect
@@GillyRose55 that's a single episode, not an entire show
WTF
indeed- it doesn't make much sense (imo) to try and weave some coherent story out of the collection of previous episodes the way Marvel can with it's comics. And you can tell the limits of the setting are already pushing back when their first ideas are "when they were younger" and "what if we focused on Patrick instead?"
Those also seem to miss the point of how the MCU if that's what they were going for. Only a surface level resemblance to some of the things that are done in it rather than an attempt to do the heavy lifting to launch such a thing.
Succeeding would necessarily mean leaving behind a lot of what Spongebob previously was- which might not be for the better anyway.
I know the whole "would Hillenberg approve of this" is controversial because we don't know if he changed his stance and stuff...but I do have to say I lean on the side of "he absolutely would have hated this. I believe Tibbet. It's pretty suspicious that all of the sudden they have all these spin-offs now that he's gone(aka out of the way).
@c4N0k Yeah, minds change...but it's really suspect that suddenly this stuff is coming out after he died? This is Viacom, they're a shady ass corperation that's fucked people over before. I'm just going to err on the side of caution and put more credibility in a friend versus a greedy, money hungry megacorp that would sacrifice you if it got them money. It's not a hill worth dying on either way.
No its not. If Stephen was still alive they would still be forced to make them. Nick owns the property. If he said no they could just fire him.
@Tom Ffrench Headlines say that and people are still watching.
I wasn’t allowed to watch spongebob because it would, quote, “turn me gay.”
W H A T
@@brendanthebomber. yeah it was pretty stupid.
Haha what
I mean handsome Squidward definitely turned someone gay.
Plot twist: The commenter figured out that they were gay when they grew up.
The first 100 episodes were the best SpongeBob had to offer.
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Nick: Am I *really* going to defile this grave for money?
Also Nick: OF COURSE I AM!
That quote fits WAY too well with the situation
One has to wonder if Hillenburg tweaked Mr Krabs’ character after pitching Spongebob to Nick executives. Seems he was hinting at something through the show all along
@@SheerSonic yea....and the fact its a actual equate from the show is kinda... DARK
I once quoted Spongebob to a group of middle schoolers, who were shocked that I knew Spongebob. I said, “I’ve been watching Spongebob longer than you’ve been alive!” I was really sad to realize this was no exaggeration.
my brother is an adult who grew up on spongebob. I talked to him about this and his response was, probably in different words as I suck at remembering, “I’m glad kids can still watch spongebob, but they’ll never know it’s glory days.”
They air the old episodes next to the new ones on a regular basis.
@@icecreamhero2375 yeah I was born in 2006 and they still were heavily airing seasons 1-3
@@lordlehuezerher They still heavily air it. They would play random episodes all day then play Loud house. You are just as likely to get an old one as much as a new one.
Yeah I'm guessing you're just a sponge boomer
I was born in 1995. Was about 4 or 5 when it first aired. I was apart of the very first generation to grow up w/ SpongeBob. I can never express how influential that show was to my generation. It was really something special. There were a ton of cartoons around that time; some kids watched them, some didn’t. EVERY kid watched SpongeBob. Quoting the show was almost like a secret language that adults couldn’t understand but kids understood perfectly. We would cry laughing just by making SB references all day. There was this real, unspoken feeling that it was “our show.” Older kids and adults couldn’t understand why were so obsessed w/ this square, nerdy sponge.
But, much like Star Wars, it got too popular for its own good and is now a shadow of its former self. What they air on Nick now isn’t the SpongeBob I know and love.
I’ll admit it does feel pretty odd for Nick to release spin-offs decades later like that .
Did they even wait for the body to be cold?
ive heard that hillenburg fought for them to not make spin offs of his show before he died. Its a shame that he did all of that just to get spin offs anyways.
I swear they waited until he was gone. Its sad 😥
@@groundmeat3837 Where did you hear that?
IKR? Who are the spinoffs even targeted towards? Little kids will watch the new episodes of the actual show and think they're great because they haven't yet reached the "the old ones were better" age. And grown adults who grew up with the show don't have time to sit around and watch cartoons, and if they do they'd rather watch the first few seasons.
Yep, Squidward is getting his own musical-themed animated show on Netflix and Sandy Cheeks is getting her own live-action/animation hybrid film called Saving Bikini Bottom.
_W H A T ? !_
Wouldn’t be surprised
Say sike right now
PLEASE TELL ME THIS IS A JOKE.
@@lordfelidae4505 Go Ahead Squidward! Go Tell Him and your cruel sick jokes.
Funny thing about the Marvel universe: when you push out too many projects at a time, people are inevitably going to get tired of them. The same principle applies to Spongebob.
Yep, now that the Thanos plot is done most viewers are going to feel like they've watched what needed to be watched.
They might have interest in familiar characters, but all the new guys? They'll lose interest in them quickly.
Might be a bold statement seeing as how one hasn't even came out yet but I don't think either Shang Chi or Immortals is going to have any sort of significant impact. If Black Widow couldn't even draw serious hype . . .
@@bolbyballinger Shang Chi is already doing amazing
@@bolbyballinger shang li is doing amazing the reason black widow had a shitty box office was because we were supposed to be able to stream it for free but the main actress sued Disney because she signed a royalty agreement for the film and now its fuckeing 30 dollors to fucking rent it
@@sethcrippsgaming5866 As she should have. They violated her agreement, therefore she is entitled to sue. Let her get her bag.
@@razormc954 The money's fine sure, but is anyone going to remember it?
Can it and its 5th or sixth shadow organization that runs the world really be part of a bigger universe?
Is anyone going to care like they did for Iron Man?
Saber, Saber. I love ya. I do. But can we quit saying that "An adult researching Spongebob is sad"? Fact is you got to carry your passions lovingly into adulthood, and now make a living, being not just an entertainer, but a teacher in a way. You've been a big open minded bro, and there's nothing sad about that.
This video made me proud of you man. Not just because you're talking about something I love, but because despite your love of research you know where to respectfully stop. The most honest journalists are the ones that can say, "We don't know." sadly you don't see many of those sorts of statements atm.
It's crazy in any other tv shows when somebody says "this show has decreased in quality, now it sucks, etc." Everybody seems to agree, but in the spongebob topic after being in the fandom for so much time I can say that spongebob is trash now for the half of the fandom and it's criminally underrated for the other half. I hope this research ends with all the pros and cons as you said, instead of spunch bop bad for 20 minutes.
The fact that they made spin-offs of Spongebob against Hillenburg's wishes is disgusting.
And AFTER his death
Right like that shit pisses me off so much! They have no right to go against his wishes like that!
Actually he didn’t say he didn’t want spin-offs, he just said he didn’t see them working properly, do your research
@@girlyrot Exactly, the quote from 2009 has spawned a gigantic misconception.
Hillenburg was part of the show. It didn't just immediately come to fruition magically after his death, he was actively working and helping with developing it. Stop spreading untrue rumors without researching.
Can we take a moment to realize how impactful and iconic spongebob is too us. I’m sure if we take a situation and tell somebody “it’s like that one episode of early spongebob” the person will most likely know what they are talking about :)
(SpongeBob) has been dead-serious around ℹ️ was a kid 🔙 in the 2000's it's so legit dope, & eye opening a cartoon can still be on the airwaves in day-in-age in my eyes👌💯☑️
Me sitting next to my spongebob pillow pet:
Nickelodeon is basically that famous Mr. Krabs Quote "Hello, I like money!"
Yup
“What inspired you to make a million spin-offs that you say are better than the original show.”
“ *MONEY* “
Blood money.
When you watch Spongebob as a kid you're spongebob.
When you watch it as an adult you're Squidward.
When you watch it as a producer you're Mr. Krabs.
Nice EmpLemon reference
Only if you become cynical and jaded when growing up, people seem to forget that SpongeBob is a literal adult wearing a tie.
Its the opposite for me. the more older I got, i related more to spongebob.
I like how the writers keep rewriting SpongeBob history as new episodes come out.
It's just like how it is in the simpsons, as new episodes come out, Homer's been shown in flashbacks as "growing up" in the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's...
I really respect how Saber is going about this. It’s him acknowledging he doesn’t have a full grasp and being in a gray area which is far better than just picking a side at better.
Though we all know which side is right though.
@@spicybeantofu We don’t tho and the fact that a comment like this exists only further proves how complicated the situation has gotten
@@spicybeantofu We don't. And your comment proves as such.
While it may be easy to say that this is corporate greed, we don't fully know. That's just how it is. And we may never know.
1) No this is just ludicrous. Stephen Hillnburg was probably a nice guy but he never met him. Why does the creators opinion mater just watch the show. 2) Stephen didn't want spinoffs. So what. Its by the same crew that makes normal Spongebob so its in good hands. Compromise is sometimes apart of life 3) Ever hear of the phrase Death of the Author 4) If I give the shows a good review it will draw more people to them. No they will be successful regardless 5) Its bad when Spongebob has a spinoff but Looney Tunes can have a billion. Logic? 6) Its better to actually watch them and judge them on their own merit.
@@icecreamhero2375 1)"Why does the creators opinion matter?"
Because it's important in determining whether this was done in good faith or not. If this spinoff was done _against_ the wishes of the creator, who are we for supporting it and raising awareness to it?
2) "Stephen didn't want spinoffs. So what. Its by the same crew that makes normal Spongebob so its in good hands. Compromise is sometimes apart of life."
That statement is actually a misconception. It's not that Stephen Hillenburg didn't _want_ spinoffs, he didn't see them _working._ There's a completely difference.
3) "Ever heard of the phrase Death of the Author"
I'm... not sure if that genuinely applies here.
4) "If I give the shows a good review it will draw more people to them. No they will be successful regardless"
Half true. It will be successful regardless of whether it gets a good review or not, but giving a good review _will_ draw more people to it.
5) "Its bad when Spongebob has a spinoff but Loony Tunes can have a billion. Logic?"
Because Spongebob isn't Loony Tunes, firstly. Second, making far too many spinoffs spreads your fanbase thin, and can easily overwhelm them. Hillenburg said that he didn't see spongebob spinoffs working. It's also the timing of when the spinoffs were announced that got fans a little upset.
For reference, it was about two months after Hillenburg's passing that they announced it. They could've waited a year to announce it, and it would've been fine.
6) "Its better to actually watch them and judge them on their own merit."
Debatable. Some just don't think it's worth touching because of how sleazy it seems by Nick... and I can't exactly blame them.
It takes a lot to scare Saberspark now. GG, SpongeBob spin-offs.
Hey, as long as they don't start to go back and redo the old spongebob episodes (season 1-3) we should be fine. Those are they better episodes in my opinion. Don't really care for the modern episodes. R.I.P Steve.
Define redo? Redo like, make them 16:9 HD? Or redo like reuse plots for a remake reboot?
@@90sNath I was referring to the 2nd option you had. I know they were redoing a bunch of cartoons, and I don't was those memories to be tainted by the modernization of the cartoon.
@@deathsteak8562 ok. I was just curious. I completely agree with you there. As if spongebob wasn't alright going into its worst, doing that would have instantly tarnished the shows reputation.... FOR GOOD.
@@deathsteak8562 hopefully they dont stoop to family guy levels of low and just blatantly reuse plots
@@dontkickmychick6076 we can only hope
Sounds a lot like how Steve Whitmire left Jim Henson studios about 5 years ago now because he claims he was having so many issues with the direction of Muppets after Jim's death. Steve being the second voice of Kermit and supposed good friend of Jim, he couldn't take it and they fired him.
I had no idea Saberspark has ADHD! It makes me really happy/relieved when I learn that creators I admire or look up to struggle with the same things I do. :’)
That sounds evil haha
@@ratedr7845 I knew happy wasn’t the right word when I wrote that out, but haha couldn’t think of another word
Wow you should rethink your words
my mans didn’t die for this.
Nickelodeon disagrees
That Tsumugi pp perfectly captures my disappointment with Nickelodeon.
Hello Tsumugi profile pic
We don't know that for certain.
I miss old spongebob. Where he was just a childish adult as opposed to a man child.
Even Sponge on the run (2021) seemed to be a commercial for camp Koral at certain points.
So they already had plans for a spin-off at the beginning
I really appreciate you setting the tone of any future Spongebob-focused episodes in a clear and open manner. This was incredibly refreshing.
The spinoffs really aren't much to talk about. They just exist. And Patrick can't hold screentime on his own, especially since his family is a crazy as he is.
Also there’s a new spongebob game coming soon , spongebob is pure cartoon popularity that can be milk for nostalgia
SpongeBob is way bigger than Mickey Mouse, the Looney Tunes, The Simpsons, basically every cartoon that exists. SpongeBob is bigger than all of them at this point.
Considering how Spongebob was supposed to end in 2004, ending with the Spongebob movie, I wonder what would've happened if Stephen stuck to his guns and ended his series back then.
Would Viacom/Nickelodeon still do what they did today?
My guess: probably not
If that were to happen, then Tom Kenny would probably move on from Nickelodeon, & make his own cartoon, presumably for a rival network.
They wouldn't let him end the show. That's why this downfall happened.
my guess is faily odd parents would be in this situation instead
@@ExtremeWreck he does work for a lot of other networks
As a grown man at the old age of 20, I can safely speak for every spongebob enjoyer I'm excited for the new game, since it's being made by THQ Nordic.
THQ always put everyone in good hands with games, battle for bikini bottom is still so solid
What new game?
@@hillbillysamurai Cosmic Shake
There's a new spongebob game? cool
What I don't understand about these Spongebob spin-offs is that nothing that couldn't happen in an spongebob episode, happens in these shows. They're literally "spongebob but 3d" or "spongebob but they're children" or "fuckin' Patrick but 10x more annoying and childish"
This is going to end up like current day Simpsons or to a lesser extent, current day Family Guy. I tried to like it but the spin off is so jarring.
"Now Nickelodeon, why did you decide to create multiple Spongebob spinoffs, despite the creators wishes?"
"Money."
He said he didn’t see it happening or “he didn’t want it” th-cam.com/video/UGo5bK-G5k4/w-d-xo.html
The problem I feel with the idea that Spongebob being Nick's golden boy is whether intentionally or unintentionally they tear down any other show to keep it that way. Shows come out, Nick cans them after only one or two seasons because they aren't automatic successes like Spongebob or they can them on purpose so that they can't steal any of Spongebob's spotlight.
Spongebob can still be their golden boy without tearing down other shows. Look at Fox and the Simpsons. The other shows get air time.
@@icecreamhero2375 Tell that to Nickelodeon not me
@@thenerdbeast7375 Their problem is they expect every show to be as big as spongebob right away. Why not just have some smaller shows along with it.
I absolutely love the way the commentary is and that it is ACTUALLY. REASONABLE.
Nickelodeon: "Am i really going to defile this grave for money?"
*Looks at Hillenburg's grave*
Nickelodeon: "Of course i am"
Your putting words in his mouth th-cam.com/video/UGo5bK-G5k4/w-d-xo.html
Why would you think "it's sad" to explore this topic as an adult? If it means so much to you? I think this is something really special and that you should be proud for recognizing its beauty, it's Stephen's legacy after all that has connected all of us. This IS important Saber, and the way you share your thoughts really lights some insights on the way the industry treats bright Ideas as products. I'm eager to see more, keep up the good work!
"you can throw into a variety of scenarios."
I'm not even gonna lie I shrieked when you showed King Mickey.
Dude is BADASS in Kingdom Hearts you can't deny that. Like....Damn. He's legit THREE FEET TALL yet has the same air as freakin Nick Fury-when he enters a room, YOU PAY TF ATTENTION TO WHAT HE'S GONNA SAY. I will say that Bret Iwan just isn't the SAME as Wayne but he still does a GOOD job having that COMMANDING PRESCENCE a king would need to have. THAT is why Mickey works-because as you said, he's a blank slate. I mean sure he has PERSONALITY, but let's be real. He's a cartoon mouse. You can do a lot with that.
You can have him travel into a mirror into a world with forgotten toons and meet with his long lost family member. You can have him run a freaking comedy club where TONS of other toons can come together. You can have him be a hunter in a forest, run into ghosts and goblins, and fairy tale creatures. You can have him be a king, forging a bond with a young man, that will be one of the greatest mentor mentee relationships in all video game history. Yeah I said it. But with Spongebob, he's a sponge. Under the sea. That's it. Simple. And that's fine. Nick needs to realize, ALL studios need to realize, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE MARVEL. And it would be a GOOD THING for consumers IF YOU WEREN'T. To add DIVERSITY.
There's a lot you could do with Spongebob if you were as good of a writer as Hillenburg! But... Well... He's not able to write anymore... So Making him into your MCU is just not going to work, and it never WAS going to work, and the ratings are going to reflect that...
And then they'll blame Steven for holding them back while he was alive, when all he did was hold then back from slaughtering their cash cow xD
Other franchises we would love to see i a what's ruining video:
* Looney Tunes (seeing that New Legacy ended up as a critical and commercial blunder)
* Mickey Mouse
* Tom & Jerry
* Garfield
* Star Wars
* Star Trek
* Scooby-Doo
* Muppets
* DC
* Marvel
Looney Tunes Cartoons is doing surprisingly well, & Mickey Mouse (2013) is in the same boat. The 2021 Tom & Jerry movie is a mixed bag of sorts. Garfield Kart 2 exists. I like, only watched 1 Star Wars movie in my life, & that was the 7th in the movie series, & the CGI Clone Wars cartoon, but it seems to be going downhill. Star Trek is just as political as it was back then surprisingly enough. Scooby-Doo just had a crossover with Courage the Cowardly Dog, & it was great! Muppets Now sucks unfortunately. DC is digging its own grave at this point, & Marvel is just going to be nothing, but movies, & TV shows for now on.
ℹ️'ve would legit actually envision this guy talking, & referencing the (x-plane & MSFS simulator's)
I think the issue for most of these, at least the first three, is that they’re too old. After some point, it becomes really hard to make something relevant.
I think Star Trek is still going well
Viacom 'he's dead so we can do what we want'
Honestly my biggest problem is that this obsession with Spongebob prevents other shows and creators from getting their time to shine on Nickelodeon.
Think of all the shows that were canceled because they couldn’t get Spongebob ratings and many more that never got green lit. Both Disney and Cartoon Network walked into their streaming services with huge libraries to offer, while Viacom/Nick are playing a desperate game of catch-up on paramount plus. And aside from the Avatar franchise and Loud House, I can’t think of the last time Nickelodeon made a splash in the animation industry.
It’s the same thing that killed off the Fox TV animation when they put all their eggs into the Simpsons and Seth McFarlane baskets; and look how that turned out.
And now by giving more attention and resources to Spongebob, it kills off further opportunities for other ideas to shine.
I mean Sponge has been around for almost a quarter of a century now, isn’t that enough? Isn’t it time for something else to have the spotlight.
And it makes me scared to think what’s going to happen with Spongebob and the Simpsons when one of the voice actors dies. Is that how these shows are going to end? To avoid public backlash in order to respect the legacy and contributions of a dead cast member.
Or will they force the shows to continue, recasting the characters, or even worse deep faking synthesized voices of the actors after they died? SpongeBob should never have been forced into this position and it should been allowed to retire long ago with its dignity intact.
But Viacom needs something to pay the bills and sell paramount plus, so that’s all spongebob has become now. And that’s sad.
This was an excellent and respectful approach to all the discourse, great video as always!
Spongebob has really gone down the shitter over the years...
Especially after the first movie when the movie was supposed to be the series finale and it shows. It didn’t help when SpongeBob went downhill in 2005 during that same year one of my favorite video game franchises went the same route with Sonic The Hedgehog with the release of the Shadow The Hedgehog game
Just like the Simpsons have.
Saber: “what compelled you to make two Spongebob spinoffs while the original is still airing?”
Nick: “Money!”
"Am I really going to defile Steve's grave for money...? OF COURSE I AM!"
- Nickelodeon, probably
SpongeBob creator, "Never make a SpongeBob Babies or Squidward spin-off shows."
Seconds after he dies, Nickelodeon, "We're making SpongeBob Babies and Squidward spin-off shows!"
Saberspark, "This is obviously a coincidence."
You apparently missed the point. Some of those claims did not come from him himself, and the only instance where he did speak for himself was in 2009, leaving out the possibility for changing his mind. I tend to align myself to believe that he DID NOT want these shows to exist, but at the same time, we have to admit we don't know for certain. That's LITERALLY what Saberspark said in the video.
....You DID watch the whole video, right?
I worked on the fan art BTW! I appreciate it being shown to the lovely viewers of yours! Many thanks!!!
Nickelodeon is definitely milking the success of the original sponge bob series
That's not new information, everyone know that show got milked, starting in 2004
I really want that IP to go because I think it's one of the reasons why Modren Nickelodeon was so garbage at the 2010s with there cringy bad sitcoms and having shows that they are good or bad kick the bucket even tho there ratings are good or average...and hearing the word Spongebob as Nickelodeon's Mickey Mouse really rub me the wrong way
There was an interview where Tom Kenny mentioned viewing test footage for a CGI Spongebob series with Steven Hilenburg. Ever since then, I've highly questioned Paul Tibbit's statements. Yes, he was very hesitant about extra content and even merchandise in the beginning, that's definitely true. But we don't know how he felt about Kamp Koral. The lack of any straightforward firsthand statements make this a lot more complicated than most are making it out to be.
“What made you make 2 *other* SpongeBob shows right after the original?”
*“Money!”*
The Kamp Koral situation wasn’t the only time Nickelodeon denied Hillenburg’s wishes. Remember when they were gonna do that Nicktoons crossover movie? You’re telling me SpongeBob wouldn’t be a main character in that?
He WORKED ON Kamp Koral th-cam.com/video/UGo5bK-G5k4/w-d-xo.html
Did you know Mickey mouse in the olden days used to be a mischievous character and that was his personality type and he used to make funny jokes through visual gags I think during black and white silent times you know Black and White cartoons that are in the colors of black and white for all types of people's and creatures because they haven't figured out putting color in cartoons yet
How is this relevant though
@@demonyckscreations9990 I was born the year of matrix sponge Griffin you know the same year that SpongeBob family Guy and the matrix was released you didn't know matrix family Guy and SpongeBob are the same age I am 22 years old
@@brandongovreau9218 pog
@@JamesP7 are you talking about excitement or pogchamp or those bottle caps called pogs?
@@brandongovreau9218 excitement
I just miss watching SpongeBob on the weekends and throughout the summer in the late 2000s-early 2010s and not really caring about the lack of quality of some of the new episodes of the time because I was a stupid kid. I just enjoyed SpongeBob in general, and didn't have to worry about how Nick was going to ruin SpongeBob even further.
@Obama what
Same here. I miss the old spongebob :(
Spongebob Squarepants
Family Guy
Simpsons
So... I know coralation isn't causation but it's interesting to note the exceptional longevity of the yellow main characters from two of those shows and the versatility of white shirts in simple outfits.
Would Betty Boop, Koko, and Bimbo still be around today if Bimbo were a golden retriever in a white shirt and with pants? Probably not but I'll still ask and wonder anyways.
I trust what Hillenburg's coworkers say. They knew him personally and are who he would talk truthfully to about his feelings regarding the show. Fuck Viacom
Stephen: Patrick by himself may be a bit too much
The patrick star shows premise: *Nonstop chaos, pulling no punches, anything on the table goes*
Me: Hmmmmm, idk about you but i smell foreshadowing
SpongeBob SquarePants much like The Simpsons is like a person that's taken some meds and is trying to stay up forever because they're afraid if they go to sleep they will die.
They're as comfortable as sandpaper with spikes littered on it.
hey dont make fun of my bed, now.
I had to do a double take when I heard they wanted it to be like the marvel cinematic universe...
Oooooo child they are lost in their greed arent they?
The creator of spongebob said he doesn't want spin-offs and also said "one day, they'll make spongebob babies, that's when I'm out of here", the moment he died they made Kamp Koral and Patrick's Show...
Honestly Saber I appreciate how level headed you approached this.
the only spinoff of spongebob that should even be acknowledged is the spongebob musical. That is a work of art right there, and it had the blessing of steve. So much love was put into that show, and it was so creative.
“I want to give it my all for spongebob” would be a good fuckin merch design tho
“Mickey is a blank slate from 100 years ago” is *deeply threatening,* thank you.
“Our marvel universe” i got shivers.
Shivers of dismay.
That’s fuckin awful eww.
Everyone: Nickelodeon, why did you did this?
Nickelodeon: Money!
Arhhh only valuable thing mi boy
@Not RiсkRoII👇😇 stop spamming.
I can hear resonance playing in the background of the sponsorship and I enjoyed that
YOOOO! My man be usin Blender! let's go, after 8 years of Blender, it's great to finally see it come to more people, recently. Great video, great work, and I can't wait to see what's next.
Fun fact: Stephen McDannell Hillenburg the creator of spongbob said to Nickelodeon on his deathbed they can do what they want with spongbob, tell stories, make movies, do as long as they like so long as they didn't make spin offs.
Lmfao this has to be satire
Just in case, Hillenburg was part of the show. It didn't just immediately come to fruition magically after his death, he was actively working and helping with developing it. Stop spreading untrue rumors without researching.
Ramsey Naito revealed Stephen Hillenburg played a major role in the creation of the show (pretty sure she said he was the creator). Here is a quote from Vincent Waller "Steve was aware it was being developed. Sadly he did not get to see it completed, I think it would have made him smile."
And weres your sorce
@@ratmondshaw3921 the former showrunner Paul Tibbit as well as well as Stephen Hillenburg himself said he didn't want spongebob spin offs
Didn't I hear somewhere that Hillenburg knew of Kamp Korals development?
Exactly. Not only did he know about it, Hillenburg was part of the show. It didn't just immediately come to fruition magically after his death, he was actively working and helping with developing it.
Ramsey Naito revealed Stephen Hillenburg played a major role in the creation of the show (pretty sure she said he was the creator). Here is a quote from Vincent Waller "Steve was aware it was being developed. Sadly he did not get to see it completed, I think it would have made him smile."
The show was intended to premiere in 2020, so he may have been informed of its early development.
Just cause you criticize a show doesn’t mean you’re disrespecting the creator.
Lots of respect for handling the topic like this, I look forward to seeing what you find in the future. Answers would be nice, but they’re not something that can and should be expected. Good luck with the research!
8:23 (the last more you said should have had a picture of MOAR Krabs)
Look, he actually uploaded on schedule
Amazing
Just in time✅
@Not RiсkRoII👇😇 shut up.
@@christosdoesthings its a bot mi boy
@@Mare172 I know.
Can we all just agree that the "Sponge on the run" movie was nothing but an hour and a half long promotion for Kamp Korral, with recycled plots from the first movie?
I remember seeing some things talking about how hillenberg had bigger plans for the movie but they were cut for various reasons, including a live action human involved. execs cut it back tho and now we have sponge on the run being boring and shoving keeanu reeves in our face as if thats worth paying the ticket price
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Honestly, the fact that these spin-offs were bad and the third movie was just promotion for them was more insulting then these (shakey) allegations that Stephen wouldn't have approved of them.
The movie was abysmal but the Kamp Koral show is the same quality as the Normal Show. Alot of the episodes are super funny. I particularly love Kitchen Sponge and the Nudist Beach episode.
The worse part about Kamp Koral and The Patrick Show was that they were going to happen no matter what. Even if Hillenburg didn't want them, Nickelodeon already made preparations for it.
I remember I was just recovering from near death in the hospital, and I was watching some of the new Spongebob episodes. I loved them! I also saw TTG, and I loved that too! I hadn’t laughed in weeks at that point, and I finally felt something other than pain.
I grew up on Spongebob, it’s defined so much of my humor and character, and it’s such a staple in my family in general.
When Hillenburg died, it was heartbreaking. God, my household was just silent. I have so much respect for him, and now that he’s gone it just hurts even more.
What Nick is doing? Disrespecting his wishes? What he wanted? So SOON after his horrible passing? It’s awful. It fills me with rage.
I’ve loved this show for so long, but Nick certainly lost any respect they should have by doing this.
I hear the show has been going through a bit of a renaissance lately, newfound interest and love for the series by fans. Even though I don't watch it like I used to, the clips I see online are hilarious and enjoyable. I'm happy with how things went after a rough period.
I also believe that (and this is not a slight against Stephen, as I still like him and love his show), even if Stephen was against the idea spinoffs and crossovers, there wasn't much he could do, seeing as Spongebob was owned by Nick and Viacom and could do with as they pleased. If anything, I believe the spinoffs and to controversy they generated was just bad timing. Unless I'm mistaken, animation takes a very long time, as well as making a new show, so odds are, they were done well before he passed away and the announcement, like I said, were just bad timing.
A tiny part of me died when the comics ended. After a rough day it was fun to relax and laugh while reading it. Same with the old school cartoons.