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This review hits the nail on the head: Strat buyers will want to compare the CV against the Player. That's what I did in 2019, over a couple of hours in my local music shop. I'm an experienced gigging guitarist, so whatever I chose would have to be good enough for that purpose. Spoiler: I went for the Squier. I found that the CV 50s (identical to the one in this video) was considerably lighter than the Player, which was a good thing. The trem was locked down, but the claw was screwed in properly, so I think they send them all out like that to save on setup costs. The Squier was less well-screened than the Player, so I lined the cavity with aluminium foil (from the kitchen, stuck down with Pritt-stick) and solved that problem easily. I also swapped the pickguard for a pearloid one, and upgraded the pots and switch, so I can't comment on the longevity of the originals. Setting the trem up, it became apparent that the bridge and saddle quality are definitely budget. It's a toss-up whether I should buy a pricier guitar or upgrade the bridge. It took a while to set up, but I've got used to it. Also, the trem arm is a little wobbly, but a wrap of PTFE tape provides a temporary ongoing fix. Incidentally, at 4:12 the saddles are pressed steel, not pot metal, and most importantly, at 4:40 it is _essential_ to loosen the six bridge screws, otherwise there's a risk of damaging the guitar. On the subject of trem setup, the information at 9:00 isn't quite right. The balance between string tension and trem springs is determined by the strength and number of springs, versus the string tension pulling in the opposite direction. Tightening the trem claw screws only alters the bridge position, not the overall system tension. To change this, you'd need more or fewer springs, or stronger/weaker springs, or a change of string gauge. On my CV 50s I use 9s and have two springs. When I compared the guitars in the shop, I found that the CV fret ends were finished better than the Player, which went in its favour. Also, out of the box both guitars were set up with a low, easy action, as I assume they were in this video. Testament to Indonesian quality control that this didn't come up short against the Mexican factory. Regarding the tone of the guitars, I've long felt that six-screw tremolo bridges sound better than those with two posts. It's definitely a subjective prejudice, but that made me think more highly of the Squier when I compared them. Longer term: I've had the Squier for three years, played most days, but done very few gigs since covid. Even so, the fret wire is showing signs of wear that indicate it's pretty cheap and soft. A sign of cost-cutting that isn't apparent when the guitar's new, and which we must expect to have been applied to every aspect of the production. Is the Squier good enough to gig? Out of the box, just about. It definitely needed screening, and the trem took some getting used to. If I was gigging three times a week I'd look at either the Player or a US model, and maybe have the Squier as a backup. One final comment: while online reviews and posts from people like me are useful, there's no substitute for taking the time to visit a music shop and trying some guitars out until you find the one that suits you.
Excellent post. Fender could make a difference by offering Players with stainless frets. If Eart can do it, surely they could at the current price point.
@@arturopeterblavis1972 Thank you. I suspect Fender keep stainless frets for their more expensive models, so they can offer something for every pocket, with the snob-value of the Fender brand forcing buyers who want stainless frets to spend more. Lesser/newer brands may have a much smaller range, and they offer high-spec components at a lower price point, to help them to stand out. The Fender snob (and I don't mean that unkindly) wouldn't buy such a guitar, so Fender don't need to compete by fitting stainless frets to their lower models.
Bro, how do you keep the trem with only two springs? 😯 I tried (have 9s to 46s) and the trem would float a bit too much, i got scared and went back to 3 springs but relatively loose ☺️
On the Squire floating tremelo issue, instead of loosening the screws so far out, remove a spring to lessen the amount of screw adjustment. Also, there are springs available that have various amount of tension- so, softer springs could be used or a combination of various springs to get the desired tension. As with most electric solid body guitars, many hardware features can be modified to preference, so the most important factor to a player is the neck. If the guitar plays/feels perfect for you, that's it. The rest can be modified a lot easier than reworking a neck.
I sold my cv Squier and bought a Fender Player Strat - guess why... not because of the headstock logo, but because of the Players better / warmer sound and better metal parts. Especially the Squiers bridge looks a bit cheap compared to the Players bridge.
I’m a Gibson fan but fancied buying a Strat, I bought the Mexico player strat ,same colour as the one in the video last year from Peach guitars for £550 and it’s fantastic, I’ve been playing for over 30 years and it’s the best value and most versatile guitar I’ve had.
The one thing I think you should have made clear is that not all the squiers are going to have that trem issue. This was one assembler trying to get something past the inspector at the end of the day. I’ve seen US strats where they drilled in the screws at such a bad angle that they came through the pickup cavities. As someone who works at a music store I’m sure you’re aware QC is all over the place with Fender and Squier. Yeah you’re probably more than likely to find an issue with a squier but as someone who worked in a music store myself I’ve seen more issues back in the day with our MIM stock. You’re definitely paying some name brand tax on the player series though in this particular comparison. Other than that I think your presentation was on point.
You’re right it’s just this guitar in particular, but I suspect you’ll see more/similar issues like this at this price point. The best thing about buying new is…if there’s a problem, send it back until you get one that is right! Overall it felt and sounded good even with the trem screw issue I appreciate the comment, thanks for watching!
I have a Squier Strat Affinity Series and upgraded to a Fender Tex-Mex pickup set and installed Fender Schaller Locking Tuners. Obviously, the upgrades were equivalent to the cost of the Affinity itself, but I still saved myself a few hundred dollars overall. Honestly, it sounds and plays better than the stock Player Series MIMs I've played over the years. If you put some effort into these guitars, you will get have a quality instrument in your hands. On that note, Mike Rutherford (Genesis) toured with a $200 Squier Bullet (albeit with noiseless pickups), so anything possible.
I'm all about elbow greasing a cheaper guitar with decent bones and make it an awesome instrument. I just went through a squier 40th vintage strat today and holy shit what I great axe for 300$. I can't believe you can get this quality of guitar under 800$ all day. I'm going to gut it just haven't made my mind up which way to go with my build. I own 5 squiers. All custom and I got rid of my fender shortly after getting a contemporary squier tele. The neck was so good I sold my fender and bought two more squiers. Same deal work out the frets gut the electronics and put in some good hardware and you have a reliable beast of a player well under 650$. You can't even get a payer series fender off the wall let alone setup for that.
@@ScottDreyfus That's awesome man. Yeah, it's crazy how good a guitar you can get for the price. You are paying for marketing costs most of the time IMO. I always think back to Leo's goal which was cheap, affordable, reliable instruments. That's well and truly been lost in modern Fender's "entry" ranges.
I ended up with the Squier CV, because after playing several Fender and Squiers, I really liked the feel of the Squier better. I was still on the fence, when Fender had a huge sale on Squiers, I ended up buying the CV 50s for only 275. Had to do it for that price...and I'm happy that I did!
Wow $275 us is a steal compared to Australian prices. We get so ripped off in this country. Think about it, Indonesia is our a near by close neighbour, so you can't say it's shipping costs. We are getting robbed in terms of prices here.
@@carlosalves4444 the MIM Fenders cost more in Mex than in the US, because they ship to the US then ship back to Mexico. I don't know but I guess that they may ship the Made in Indonesia to the US then ship them to Australia
I have a few MIM Fenders which are great but I also prefer the feel of the Squire CVs. I have found that MIM guitars can be quite heavy and I am not a fan of the satin necks...prefer the lacquer.
I already recently bought a Fender player series in all white for £599 and its outstanding for the price, I love the satin neck and the finish overall is great as is the superb sound. The only thing Im going to change is to replace the string tree with the roller string tree. A nice cheap modification but a good one I think. I have to say I think the Squier is excellent value for money and its a very nice guitar. and not all will have the same flaws you found. it sounds nice and I had no qualms in buying my son a 3/4 size Squier mini strat for his first guitar and that one has great sounds and a satin neck costing me the mini price of £130. You can be fairly confident buying a squier. So if you want a cheap Fender then a Squier is definitely worth it.
I bought my Squier Classic Vibe 50's Strat 12 years ago ($279.00) and have never felt a need for another one. Mine came with Tonerider pickups which sound amazing. I did have to do a fret job on the Squier. It had some high frets and some fret sprout. I've gigged many times with it and it always gets the job done. I do like the Player series and I am tempted but trying to hold off a GAS attack!
I have several of both. Yes, the Fender Player Series is a cut above, but not twice the cost. Then again, nothing wrong with getting both to feed the GAS.
@@booshting3520the pickups on the player are overly bright and glassy even the neck pickup sounds thin But its a matter of preference if you want the thin spanky tones of the fender or the more mellow full tones of the squire
great vid. I've had the squier cv 50's for a year now, and it's great to play. The neck feels great, the pus sound great. The bridge is cheap, but acceptable. Compared to my fender mim classic 60s: surprisingly good but the classic 60s is definitely better (should compare with current vintera series I guess, but costed me back in 2015-16 as a current player model)
Quality control can happen anywhere, I've got the Fender player ,exactly the same one on the video and the Fret ends were terrible. But my 50s classic Vibe tele is perfect.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO to make the Squier Classic Vibe neck into a Satin finish is take some steel wool and go over the back of the neck with it. Takes about 10 to 15 minutes. Another option is to take some mineral spirits and put in just a splash of boiled linseed oil and wet sand the back of the neck with a 1200 grit sandpaper. Just make sure you use boiled linseed oil and not regular linseed oil and all you need is just a splash of it with the mineral spirits. Takes about 20 minutes.
I've been around the block a few times. I've owned several, all Made in US and just recently MIM (road worn). Price was just one of my deciding factors of my MIM. The screws on the claw of the Squire should not have gone out like that but from a practical point, I don't know anyone who leaves the back cover on. Nice review!
I've had several CV 50s Strats and Teles. I settled on the Player Strat though because of the neck finish and feel, the better quality switch and pots and the two-point vibrato mount. That being said, the CV 50s Strats sound great, are lighter and have those wonderful string-through slotted tuners which are easily my favourite turners (no sharp string ends to poke your fingers and scratch your gig bag).
Couldn't hear hardly any discernible difference between the two. Upon your discovery of the Squier Classic Vibe tremolo problem I took out my newly purchased CV Strat in Lake Placid Blue, and I tried the trem, and yes it was tightened to the point where it would not move thereby eliminating the usual out of tune problems. Then I opened the rear cover and saw the trem claw/bar was well below the flush line with the body of the back of the guitar so no problem there. Obviously, the person who did the assembly line install on the one you have drilled the screw holes at the wrong angle, and yes they covered it up by tightening it all the way. A redrill would solve the problem, but we don't buy new guitars to have to do functional redo's. Great video. Thanks for sharing.
Best budget strat: Squire Classice Vibe. If you do upgrades, it will cost close to a Fender Player Series, and another upgrade will cost close to a Player PLUS series which is, to me, THE BEST guitar when it comes to feel with it's rolled edge neck, faster restring with locking tuners and good balanced noiseless pickups. I suggest copper- shielding it because the shield paint they sometimes put a non-conductive paint like mine which is wierd. Having noiseless pickups doesn't mean they are fully noiseless. If not shielded properly the ground noise is still there.
I’ve had multiples of each. Once you fix the problems with the CVs and set them up properly the performance is quite similar. The Players have better hardware and electronics so likely will be more durable in the long-term. You can get a great guitar with the CV much cheaper.
I have a Classic Vibe 60's Strat in candy apple red and love it. Like you said, the Squier neck is so comfortable and and easy to play and the pickups sound great. Great comparison video.
Honestly, I have fenders from all over, Japan, US, Korea, Mexico and I’ve owned tons of Squiers over the years. There were some Squiers I had that just sucked and I still own the ones that are phenomenal. Same with Fender. I think people should just try out what they want and go from there. everyone’s taste and feel is different
Really good side-by-side comparison here. I’m going with Fender. Also, if you upgrade tuners, the Fender locking tuners are $65 vs. $135 for Graph Tech Ratio tuners which you will have to use as Fender tuners are not compatible with Squire headstock unless you bore out the holes to 10mm and drill new peg holes to accommodate the Fender tuners. Bottom line: you’ll be much happier with the Fender. If you have to buy a guitar now and you can’t afford the Fender, get a used Squire Affinity for $125 at Guitar Center. I have one from ‘97 that I absolutely love.
Just bought a Player Strat, lovely in polar white, manufactured January 2024. Can't find any flaws, and it's a joy to play it, it's got a vibe. Sighting the neck it is a perfect fair curve, frets are polished and well done, tuners and bridge are fine, these supposedly newly designed Alnico 5 pickups are outstanding. Incredible bang for the buck. I also have a 40th anniversary Squier strat, which differs from the classic vibe series only in cosmetics, apparently. It was a lesser guitar until I put in a fishman fluence loaded pickguard in it, and now they are both excellent. Roughly the same total cost.
With my headphones and TH-cam the Squier sounded okay. It definitely sounded different from the Fender, but not terrible. At this point I wouldn't expect to see those factory defects that were on the Squier. Definitely on the $200, but not up there around $500. Nice one, guys!
I think that even though there are some good quality things about the CV Squier, it's the little details that make it lose out to a MIM Fender in the long run. Sure you could upgrade everything on a Squier but is it worth it in the end? Probably not. If you want a Strat that you are going to be satisfied with for the long haul I'd recommend going for at least a Mexican Strat. If you don't mind upgrading after a year or two buy a Squier.
I've owned 2 Fender player series Strats and recently I sold my Fender. Decided to buy a Harley Benton CST 24 but which is built beautifully. Only issue I have is the weight of it. It's very heavy. So I decided to buy a Jet JS300 strat style guitar 🎸 and the finish is way better than the Fender. Roasted maple neck the frets are finished off better and the nice cut out at the bottom of the body near the neck is a bonus. This is by far the best feeling and playing guitar that I've owned. It's amazing. It's quarter the price of the Fender and after owning 2 player series Strats it's better in my opinion.
the incorrectly drilled trem claw screws isnt just a squire problem my 22 player with a floyd rose had the same issue, it had to go back it also had cracks in the finish around the neck and a chip around the pocket for the floyd rose, on the other hand my solid bridge squire was spot on out the box and played well with minimal setup, in the end i put some tex-mex pickups, nice pick plate/pots and switch gear, locking tuners and polished the frets (didn't need leveling). it took a decent budget guitar up to a good guitar for very little money, if you don't care what it says on the head there is some serious value picking up a really cheap squire and dressing it up a bit, its also a very cheap safe way to learn to work on guitars without worrying about messing up an expensive guitar.
Best overall value (bang for the buck) , in my opinion, is the classic vibe 60s Strat. Great sound and playability at a price point that makes it easy to upgrade, if you want to.
The trem and the lacquer issue is just on this one you had. Normally the trem is just as it should be and on the Squiers I had there were not lacquer issues at all. The only thing that has to be upgraded on every Squier strat is the trem block, which is too narrow and hence too light and makes the strings vibrate a bit different, like a hollowbody guitar. The pickups are a matter of taste, so if you don't like the sound, you can exchange them. But this applies to the player strat too.
You do get what you pay for. Fender custom shop blows away a Mexico Player series, but for most that is overkill. Be discriminating and feel free to pass on a bad build. If you are a new guitar player go to a shop you can trust and don't feel like you have to buy something every time you walk in the door. For the new player buy the guitar you will play, the best accessory is a guitar stand and leave the guitar out where you can pick it up and play it at a moments notice. Also an expensive guitar does not make you a good guitar player. Playing a guitar makes you a good guitar player.
You can spend about an hour with a MIM strat and have it playing just as nice as a USA model. Most of what you're paying for after the player series is the location of assembly and time spent on details. And the USA bridge and electronics can be purchased and dropped into a MIM for $300-400. With the player series being around $675 now, you could be at custom shop level for under $1000. But that's the difference between players and collectors, I guess.
I like the player series , great value, the classic vibe is great too. Hard choice, I’m hooked on the Strat with floating tremolo. Never used it much before but since listening to Jeff Beck it’s so much fun. Zzounds is really great for good buys, I’m on my second guitar from them, bought a PRs silver sky se stone blue then an affinity Strat hh in artic white, the affinity was great out of the box , perfect for what I liked, all I had to do is tune it. Thanks for the great review. They help a lot in making decisions. Great job guys.
I bought a Player Strat a couple of years ago and it was absolutely unplayable due to tuning instability. I added locking tuners, a real bone nut, plus a pro setup and now it holds tuning better than any other guitar I own. I can't stress enough how much the bone nut improved tuning. It got me into a Gilmour vibe, which of course includes lot's of bending, and it just stays in tune no matter what I do. The only bad part is the body is now full of toothpicks because over 50% of the screw holes were stripped from the factory. They need to hand tighten the screws or use an electric tool with only a fraction of the torque. 😆
Straighten out the springs on the CV Strat and that will loosen the tension a bit so you can screw in the clamp screws to get the bridge float you want and just maybe there will be enough clearance to mount the back plate properly. Then again might not make enough difference to fix the problem.
I just played a classic vibe in a store near me tonight...it was the best strat I've ever played. I've never liked strats...they were harder to play and had a tone I didn't care for. THe classic vibe tonight was a slick and easy player...great fun playing it. Nice sounds too...I almost bought it on the spot. The one thing that I wonder about is the trem...as I will do the odd dive bomb...if it wouldn't stay in tune, then I might have to step up to the players. But then again...as corny as this sounds...lol...I loved the "vibe" of the classic vibe. It has a vintage vibe, and I much prefer that to the stale feel of the players strat.
Squier all the way here ! Just love gloss necks so much more than satin. Also agree on the unique, special feel of that Squier neck which I just could not find on the MIM Strats and I played and compared at least 50 Fenders MIM at the store over the course of a few weeks - like you said, just can't figure it out why, but that Squier neck is insanely good and comfy. For 400 $, if you need to, you can upgrade pickups, have the shop fix the screws, upgrade the bridge components or bridge if so desired and then you have the best feeling neck with your totally personal touch modded config still less than the Fender :-) BTW, the Squier has a BONE nut, but you need to replace the string guard for a roller or graphtec... I actually got a Squire like this in Daphne Blue for 300$ used and modded it to the max with the Fender TEXAS SPECIAL loaded pickguard (269 $), GraphTec Ferra-Glide saddles - it's insane how good this feels and plays. To me - the Fender MIM lacks the luster of and quality of an american Fender PRO II or Eric Johnson Model but is too much money to justify for MODD platform 🙂 As far as getting guitars with a flaw, Fender, Gibson, Squier etc.. I've seen it all and there appears to be no QC that could catch em all. But when you buy a new Squier, the shop will take it back usually no questions asked (like Thoman here in Europe).
That was a great review. Best I’ve see on TH-cam. Well, which one would I choose. I would go with the Squire. Just more bang for the buck. Yes, there was a blame, but don’t let me go into my issues with Made in USA guitars. The only reason I would go with the MIM model is it’s nice having the Fender logo on the head stock , but why spend double for that. Yep, the Squire is fine with me.
For someone who's budget conscious I'd say it's a good idea to buy a more expensive squire around the 250-300 price point to get a good guitar. Of course the fender is amazing but I own an affinity strat from squire and it does everything I want with near to no issues.
I have a HSS player series strat first thing I didn’t like were the pickups ,I thought they were a bit dead ,I swapped them out for Seymour Duncan’s and it plays and sounds much much better now .That is the only downfall of buying guitars online without playing. A lesson learnt .
Never owned a squire but did buy three player series telecaster's all of which were returned due to poor build quality and faulty components. Ended up keeping a performer series telecaster instead. Nice honest review.
Most often than not we get what we pay for therefore we can generally expect the higher priced product from the same manufacturer to be better, there can be exceptions however. Both good guitars.
I disagree with your assumption on the correct bridge float and tuning stability. Factory spec, at least for my Strat Plus, if you have 1/8 inch float above the body and that feels just right for me. Tuning stability has always been amazing but again, that’s on the Strat Plus.
Call me crazy but i preferir the Squier 😅 I had a American Strat 2013 and then I bought a Tele Squier cv custom 60s and guess what? I preferir the Squier. I know there are not the same modelo but you got the point. Now I’m thinking to buy a Strat cv 50s black color. Thanks this video helped me a lot to decide 🙌🏼
I went for the affinity for the 2 point trem, and easily upgraded. I know the CV is the "upgrade" but when playing the fender and the squiers i didnt want to compare a vintage appointed guitar versus a modern.
Really informative. I play a lot of squires and they get the job done for me. I do modify though. But I like to see how they perform next to a fender. Thanks!
CTS = Chicago Telephone services, i think. Just in case anyone was wondering. I have a left handed MiM Strat in Tiodepool, it's a 2017. I have a 50's CV Squire Tele and they are pretty much the same in terms of electronics, budget, Pot's, switch besides that the husk of the Guitar is great, they usually are. What always put's me off Squire's and this was no exception, the crappy pot metal Trem block, instant replacement for a full size steel or Brass one. Besides that i don't have a problem concurring with your review. Thanks for taking the time.
There is no excuse for quality defects. Quatily control and training is what is needed. You can justify all kinds of defects because of price but the real issue is that product should meet certain standards and not rough enough is geed enough!
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The neck pickup on that squier is so rich. Definitely would take the squier
Until christone Kingfish was given his own signature fender he played the Fender player series stratocasters stock so if there good enough for him they are good enough for anyone
I bought a Player Plus Meteora several months ago, the build quality is excellent. I got the silver burst, it looks amazing and plays great. A Player Plus SSS Strat is at the top of my want list.
Really enjoyed this review , you certainly crammed in a lot . Question , with all new stock , how much time do you spend upon each guitar for inspection and playability reasons ? Did you send the Squier back ?
I picked up a player series Stratocaster from guitar center on sale .....less than $700 for one of their exclusive plus too in dark blue. Great guitar so far.....wish it came with a big bag
I did the same thing about 1,1/2 years ago. Got a Player plus top aged cherry HSS strat for $675 and it's msrp was $808. Paired it with a Katana 50 mkII and could not be happier!
Owned both and still own the player series. Was really impressed with the CV 50’s but after a few months a few frets lifted and the high E was getting stuck under the frets. Sent it back and got the 50’s Tele as a replacement haven’t had any issues with it in 2 years and after putting in better electronics I actually prefer it to the player series now and it still come out cheaper with $120 spent in upgrades.
I have a MIM Strat and a 90s Korean Squier. The Squier has Custom Shop 1965 pickups, bone nut, American Strat bridge and block, CTS 250k pots, Grigsby switch, and Fender locking tuners. Even with all the upgrades I still have about $500 in the guitar. I'll let y'all guess which one gets the most playing time. The Squiers are perfect for modding. Both have maple fretboards which I prefer.
Here is reason number 5 to buy the Squier: It is an excellent platform for modifications. I bought my CV 50s Squier in Fiesta Red in March 22 and it doesn't have any qualitiy issues. However the metal parts especially the trem system feel and look quite cheap so I probably will replace the tremolo. The neck is very good and overall the guitar can easily compete with the Fender Classic Player 50s Strat from 2003 that I own as well. I had the EMG David Gilmour Pickguard with active PUs and high quality electronis lying around so I purchased the Squier and mounted it in there. The guitar sounds excellent now and has become one of my favourite Strats (I have 4 Fenders, USA, 2 MIM and Japan).
So you bought a $200 guitar and planted like $700 worth the gear in it? Could’ve just used a fancy log and done the same thing. Plus the log doesn’t support communism.
I've only just bought my first ever strat (I'm a gibson guy and have been for years) player series H/S/S in capri orange. On unboxing it was dreadful. Set up was so bad I had to send it back. No way an inexperienced player could have sorted it. Next one is sweet. Plays nice and is lightweight too. Not sure I'll get another anytime soon, but its okay for the price so far.
I really enjoyed watching the video. I have a Classic Vibe 50s Tele and aside from sounding a little thin, I absolutely love it as does anyone who plays it. I’m surprised that the spring tension screws were drilled in an angle like that. I hope that’s not a design flaw, thank you for pointing that out. I’m also happy to hear both those strays side by side like that but I did notice the MIM sounded a little more clear at times. And did you send the Squire back?
The necks on those classic vibes are pretty awesome at least the aged gloss maple ones. I agree that jacked up trem spring screw isn’t good but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was part of the work instructions to lock those bridges down because of tuning issues and less experienced players squier is marketed towards. I don’t know if they locked it down to hide the screw or if it just happened ?
Great video! I have a Squier Affinity Stratocaster and it has satin neck and a two point tremolo that actually floats and the back plate fits right so though less expensive I think it may be better than the Classic Vibe. I like the ceramic pickups on mine and only thing that it really might need upgrading is the nut.
The squire strat sounded to have a rounder sound than the fender. I have a Squire Telecaster in competition orange. I went fo my local Guitar center and say a Mexican Fender telecaster in Capri orange. Just as gorgeous as my squire. If i had the money that Tele would have gone home with me on color alone. The down side was Mexican necks are like baseball bats. Really thick and hard for me to play. My mom's partner had the same issue I'm having with the squire and that is the out put jack is starting to get loose. Long term buyers beware. Finally since the squire is significant cheaper, if you don't like the pickups get new pickups or a loaded pick gaurd. I'm personally think about getting a loaded nashville special pick gaurd for my Tele.
So I just started getting into guitar and im diggin the gloss the neck and fretboard. But I wonder if that affects the sound. Does the gloss make the sound a lil darker? Idk but I like how they both sound!👍
I got the Squier for $50 at a pawn shop. I honestly haven't played it much so far, I dismantled it in prep for a different finish, so I'll let ya know whenever I put it back together, lol. Thanks for the demo, it was informative.
If a new guitar player or a parent buying a guitar for their child asked me which one to buy, and money was not a concern, I would tell them go for the player series. I understand a lot of people think the Squier is just as good, especially if you just add some copper tape to the pick guard and pay a luthier to replace the cheap pots and switch with CTS pots that are relatively inexpensive, but I would not recommend you do that unless you are comfortable with voiding the warranty and potentially damaging the guitar. Also modded guitars always have worse resell value. The Player Strat is almost 1:1 identical spec to the Fender American Standard Stratocaster from 2008-2016 (predecessor to the American Professional). The hardware, pickups, electronic components, wood, paint, are all the same spec as the American standard, just it's made in Mexico so it's able to be offered at a much lower price point. That's why if you see a used American Strat for $1000 or even $900, it's not necessarily worth it to buy over a $799 Player Strat. So it's really a guitar meant for "Players", people who take them around and play them at shows. Literally nothing wrong with the guitar, neck is comfortable and highly playable, guitar has good electromagnetic shielding to reduce a little bit of hum, Trem bridge is very high-quality and stays in tune pretty well, pickups are Alnico 5 and although they are more neutral sounding and not as icepick, Fender-sounding as Vintage pickups, I would argue that's a good thing because it makes the instrument more versatile rather than specialized. The guitars come out of the factory with a pretty low action, just overall there's nothing wrong with the Player guitars.
The bridge, floating or not if you look the front blade must be top even with the pickguard. Do not adjust the springs first, check the front first. It's the part that floats. The front 6 screws are always ignored and normally to high or tightened down by others.
I have that exact fender Strat in tidepool blue, it’s my favorite guitar of all my guitars. Up until a couple years it was around $649 which I think was a great price and I got it from a shop so I got to choose one with really nice patterns in the neck wood and it came with a professional set up. Can’t believe they jumped to $849 though
I went for a CV60s strat. It has the best neck ever. And that beautiful sunburst finish, really is high quality for the price. The pick-ups are nice and bright, giving the classic strat sound. It also sounds great with my BD2, TS9 and wah going full throttle on it.
On the two point again, the front if you look is too low. Lay a pick on each end or? And adjust til its touching the pic. Thats why your fighting the issues
I love my Classic Vibe, mine doesn't have the trem locked down tight, and the screws are parallel, so no getting in the way of the cover. I did have to add a little spring under the the whammy bar, though, so it wouldn't flop around. I don't use it much, so could have left the bar off, I suppose. My guess, is the spring was lost when it was being set up before shipping it to me. A little service they do if a guitar costs more than $300.
The string separation on the Player was so much better. Also, the Squier had the old 'blanket over the speaker' thing happening. I'd purchase a MIJ as in Australia at least, they're similar prices to the Player series. Cheers mate!
I had two Classic Vibe 70s Strats and both were kick ass! Same can be said for the Fender, can't go wrong with either! However, that particular CV in the video, should not have passed QC and doesn't reflect the modern Squier guitar.
Bought my first ever Fender a couple of months ago, a shell pink MiM with a roasted maple neck. The list of stuff that is wrong with that sorry paddle is something to behold, blisters in the neck finish, screws for the trem cradle stick into the PU cavity, the screws of the string saddles are partially gone already.... The seller refuses to acknowledge the flaws saying the guitar did not left his shop in the condition it came to my doorstep.... I guess I will have some words with Fender directly...
I don’t pay any attention to the haters. I’ve owned a variety of Strats over the years, American, Japanese and Mexican. They were all good guitars. My new Squier CV 50 is a great Strat and fun to play. I like the Alnico 5 pickups. They sound very 50’s authentic.These are built in Indonesia now…oh no sacrilege! The overall quality is very good considering the price point. I could upgrade the tuners and the bridge plate, probably won’t…it stays in tune. For those who prefer to buy a more expensive version, good for you!
I started with a classic vibe Squier. Then I bought my player strat and I almost never played the Squier. Then I bought an American pro II strat. I still play my player strat and my pro II but never the Squier, time to sell it I guess. They are all really good guitars and sound great.
I remember about 15 years go the Squiers were about $249 and the Mexi strat were $499. At the at time the mexican strats were much closer to the Squier of today. The mexi strat today is much closer to the USA strats. So the prices doubled but the quality has been much improved as well. Actually back then neither of the guitars featured alnico pickups. I recently bought a Mexi P-bass and a Squier vintage series P-bass, there is almost no difference in quality. The Fender had better tuners and pots, other than that, I can't find any differenes. The fretwork was better on the Squier!
Guitar quality is really all over the place. You really need to just try a lot of guitars before buying one. I was in a shop earlier today, and I am only a returning player having not really played in the last 10 or so years. This shop was specializing in used instruments, so they have all sorts of random stock. I played everything from basically new MIM Player Strats, to older squiers, to mid 00's American Standard Strats and Teles, even a couple Epiphone Les Paul Standards. I ended up walking out with a G&L ASAT Tribute which honestly played better than anything else I picked up, and it was less than half the cost of the American Fenders. I think there are just so many variables in guitars that you really can't know what will feel right in your hands until you try it. Before today I was positive I was going to buy a Squier Classic Vibe Strat.
I agonised over this one for a liong time. I love the pickups on the CV. I plumped for the player, which is nice with a lovely trem. Im not a natural strat guy so the neck radius and buzzy g bothered me. Add to that the magnetic pull of the pups and I was fiddling for a while. Finally got there but the CV had a more traditional strat spank to her. The player alnico 5s are a nice tone but not something Id say is classic. Still, the build quality is good. Worth 200 quid more..maybe not.
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This review hits the nail on the head: Strat buyers will want to compare the CV against the Player. That's what I did in 2019, over a couple of hours in my local music shop. I'm an experienced gigging guitarist, so whatever I chose would have to be good enough for that purpose. Spoiler: I went for the Squier. I found that the CV 50s (identical to the one in this video) was considerably lighter than the Player, which was a good thing. The trem was locked down, but the claw was screwed in properly, so I think they send them all out like that to save on setup costs. The Squier was less well-screened than the Player, so I lined the cavity with aluminium foil (from the kitchen, stuck down with Pritt-stick) and solved that problem easily. I also swapped the pickguard for a pearloid one, and upgraded the pots and switch, so I can't comment on the longevity of the originals.
Setting the trem up, it became apparent that the bridge and saddle quality are definitely budget. It's a toss-up whether I should buy a pricier guitar or upgrade the bridge. It took a while to set up, but I've got used to it. Also, the trem arm is a little wobbly, but a wrap of PTFE tape provides a temporary ongoing fix. Incidentally, at 4:12 the saddles are pressed steel, not pot metal, and most importantly, at 4:40 it is _essential_ to loosen the six bridge screws, otherwise there's a risk of damaging the guitar.
On the subject of trem setup, the information at 9:00 isn't quite right. The balance between string tension and trem springs is determined by the strength and number of springs, versus the string tension pulling in the opposite direction. Tightening the trem claw screws only alters the bridge position, not the overall system tension. To change this, you'd need more or fewer springs, or stronger/weaker springs, or a change of string gauge. On my CV 50s I use 9s and have two springs.
When I compared the guitars in the shop, I found that the CV fret ends were finished better than the Player, which went in its favour. Also, out of the box both guitars were set up with a low, easy action, as I assume they were in this video. Testament to Indonesian quality control that this didn't come up short against the Mexican factory.
Regarding the tone of the guitars, I've long felt that six-screw tremolo bridges sound better than those with two posts. It's definitely a subjective prejudice, but that made me think more highly of the Squier when I compared them.
Longer term: I've had the Squier for three years, played most days, but done very few gigs since covid. Even so, the fret wire is showing signs of wear that indicate it's pretty cheap and soft. A sign of cost-cutting that isn't apparent when the guitar's new, and which we must expect to have been applied to every aspect of the production.
Is the Squier good enough to gig? Out of the box, just about. It definitely needed screening, and the trem took some getting used to. If I was gigging three times a week I'd look at either the Player or a US model, and maybe have the Squier as a backup.
One final comment: while online reviews and posts from people like me are useful, there's no substitute for taking the time to visit a music shop and trying some guitars out until you find the one that suits you.
Excellent post. Fender could make a difference by offering Players with stainless frets. If Eart can do it, surely they could at the current price point.
@@arturopeterblavis1972 Thank you. I suspect Fender keep stainless frets for their more expensive models, so they can offer something for every pocket, with the snob-value of the Fender brand forcing buyers who want stainless frets to spend more. Lesser/newer brands may have a much smaller range, and they offer high-spec components at a lower price point, to help them to stand out. The Fender snob (and I don't mean that unkindly) wouldn't buy such a guitar, so Fender don't need to compete by fitting stainless frets to their lower models.
thanks for the very informative lines
why is this not the top comment or at least pinned by the channel? this is the most helpful one here by far
Bro, how do you keep the trem with only two springs? 😯 I tried (have 9s to 46s) and the trem would float a bit too much, i got scared and went back to 3 springs but relatively loose ☺️
On the Squire floating tremelo issue, instead of loosening the screws so far out, remove a spring to lessen the amount of screw adjustment. Also, there are springs available that have various amount of tension- so, softer springs could be used or a combination of various springs to get the desired tension. As with most electric solid body guitars, many hardware features can be modified to preference, so the most important factor to a player is the neck. If the guitar plays/feels perfect for you, that's it. The rest can be modified a lot easier than reworking a neck.
I have two CV Strats, a 50s and a 60s, and I prefer them to my two MIMs.
@@StratmanableI would to if I paid twice the amount
I sold my cv Squier and bought a Fender Player Strat - guess why... not because of the headstock logo, but because of the Players better / warmer sound and better metal parts. Especially the Squiers bridge looks a bit cheap compared to the Players bridge.
I’m a Gibson fan but fancied buying a Strat, I bought the Mexico player strat ,same colour as the one in the video last year from Peach guitars for £550 and it’s fantastic, I’ve been playing for over 30 years and it’s the best value and most versatile guitar I’ve had.
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Great they are good guitars but that mug in the comments thinks USA is the be all and end all it's probably his first ever us guitar😂😂😂😂
Try a players tele. Great guitar also
The one thing I think you should have made clear is that not all the squiers are going to have that trem issue. This was one assembler trying to get something past the inspector at the end of the day. I’ve seen US strats where they drilled in the screws at such a bad angle that they came through the pickup cavities. As someone who works at a music store I’m sure you’re aware QC is all over the place with Fender and Squier. Yeah you’re probably more than likely to find an issue with a squier but as someone who worked in a music store myself I’ve seen more issues back in the day with our MIM stock. You’re definitely paying some name brand tax on the player series though in this particular comparison. Other than that I think your presentation was on point.
You’re right it’s just this guitar in particular, but I suspect you’ll see more/similar issues like this at this price point. The best thing about buying new is…if there’s a problem, send it back until you get one that is right! Overall it felt and sounded good even with the trem screw issue
I appreciate the comment, thanks for watching!
I had the same problem with Mu Squier. Sadddddd
Is the player series not a post-2008 American Standard with a 1.65" nut?
Pickups in that squire sound lovely
I have a Squier Strat Affinity Series and upgraded to a Fender Tex-Mex pickup set and installed Fender Schaller Locking Tuners. Obviously, the upgrades were equivalent to the cost of the Affinity itself, but I still saved myself a few hundred dollars overall. Honestly, it sounds and plays better than the stock Player Series MIMs I've played over the years. If you put some effort into these guitars, you will get have a quality instrument in your hands. On that note, Mike Rutherford (Genesis) toured with a $200 Squier Bullet (albeit with noiseless pickups), so anything possible.
One thing you can't upgrade is the narrower nut width, the tremolo and squires should be noiseless in the 2/4 position.
I'm all about elbow greasing a cheaper guitar with decent bones and make it an awesome instrument. I just went through a squier 40th vintage strat today and holy shit what I great axe for 300$. I can't believe you can get this quality of guitar under 800$ all day. I'm going to gut it just haven't made my mind up which way to go with my build. I own 5 squiers. All custom and I got rid of my fender shortly after getting a contemporary squier tele. The neck was so good I sold my fender and bought two more squiers. Same deal work out the frets gut the electronics and put in some good hardware and you have a reliable beast of a player well under 650$. You can't even get a payer series fender off the wall let alone setup for that.
@@ScottDreyfus That's awesome man. Yeah, it's crazy how good a guitar you can get for the price. You are paying for marketing costs most of the time IMO. I always think back to Leo's goal which was cheap, affordable, reliable instruments. That's well and truly been lost in modern Fender's "entry" ranges.
@@randomlyrancannabis7020 Narrower nut width is a thing of the past. It's 42 mm since 2021 on squier affinity guitars.
I ended up with the Squier CV, because after playing several Fender and Squiers, I really liked the feel of the Squier better. I was still on the fence, when Fender had a huge sale on Squiers, I ended up buying the CV 50s for only 275. Had to do it for that price...and I'm happy that I did!
Wow $275 us is a steal compared to Australian prices. We get so ripped off in this country. Think about it, Indonesia is our a near by close neighbour, so you can't say it's shipping costs. We are getting robbed in terms of prices here.
We have 630usd for cv 70 in kathmandu is that the fair price?
@@carlosalves4444 the MIM Fenders cost more in Mex than in the US, because they ship to the US then ship back to Mexico. I don't know but I guess that they may ship the Made in Indonesia to the US then ship them to Australia
I have a few MIM Fenders which are great but I also prefer the feel of the Squire CVs. I have found that MIM guitars can be quite heavy and I am not a fan of the satin necks...prefer the lacquer.
I already recently bought a Fender player series in all white for £599 and its outstanding for the price, I love the satin neck and the finish overall is great as is the superb sound. The only thing Im going to change is to replace the string tree with the roller string tree. A nice cheap modification but a good one I think. I have to say I think the Squier is excellent value for money and its a very nice guitar. and not all will have the same flaws you found. it sounds nice and I had no qualms in buying my son a 3/4 size Squier mini strat for his first guitar and that one has great sounds and a satin neck costing me the mini price of £130. You can be fairly confident buying a squier. So if you want a cheap Fender then a Squier is definitely worth it.
I bought my Squier Classic Vibe 50's Strat 12 years ago ($279.00) and have never felt a need for another one. Mine came with Tonerider pickups which sound amazing. I did have to do a fret job on the Squier. It had some high frets and some fret sprout. I've gigged many times with it and it always gets the job done. I do like the Player series and I am tempted but trying to hold off a GAS attack!
I have several of both. Yes, the Fender Player Series is a cut above, but not twice the cost. Then again, nothing wrong with getting both to feed the GAS.
I liked the sound of the pickups on the Squier so much more.
They are the best pickups fender has for a strat. Period. Two much hype on American stuff or Mex. It's magnets and wire just like the 50s.
They lacked tonal depth and any real character
@@LovinMusic1965"best pickups Fender has for a strat". Good lord 😅
@@booshting3520the pickups on the player are overly bright and glassy even the neck pickup sounds thin
But its a matter of preference if you want the thin spanky tones of the fender or the more mellow full tones of the squire
@@booshting3520there was actually significant character and depth for days.
great vid.
I've had the squier cv 50's for a year now, and it's great to play. The neck feels great, the pus sound great. The bridge is cheap, but acceptable. Compared to my fender mim classic 60s: surprisingly good but the classic 60s is definitely better (should compare with current vintera series I guess, but costed me back in 2015-16 as a current player model)
Quality control can happen anywhere, I've got the Fender player ,exactly the same one on the video and the Fret ends were terrible. But my 50s classic Vibe tele is perfect.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO to make the Squier Classic Vibe neck into a Satin finish is take some steel wool and go over the back of the neck with it. Takes about 10 to 15 minutes. Another option is to take some mineral spirits and put in just a splash of boiled linseed oil and wet sand the back of the neck with a 1200 grit sandpaper. Just make sure you use boiled linseed oil and not regular linseed oil and all you need is just a splash of it with the mineral spirits. Takes about 20 minutes.
I've been around the block a few times. I've owned several, all Made in US and just recently MIM (road worn). Price was just one of my deciding factors of my MIM. The screws on the claw of the Squire should not have gone out like that but from a practical point, I don't know anyone who leaves the back cover on. Nice review!
I've had several CV 50s Strats and Teles. I settled on the Player Strat though because of the neck finish and feel, the better quality switch and pots and the two-point vibrato mount. That being said, the CV 50s Strats sound great, are lighter and have those wonderful string-through slotted tuners which are easily my favourite turners (no sharp string ends to poke your fingers and scratch your gig bag).
Couldn't hear hardly any discernible difference between the two. Upon your discovery of the Squier Classic Vibe tremolo problem I took out my newly purchased CV Strat in Lake Placid Blue, and I tried the trem, and yes it was tightened to the point where it would not move thereby eliminating the usual out of tune problems. Then I opened the rear cover and saw the trem claw/bar was well below the flush line with the body of the back of the guitar so no problem there. Obviously, the person who did the assembly line install on the one you have drilled the screw holes at the wrong angle, and yes they covered it up by tightening it all the way. A redrill would solve the problem, but we don't buy new guitars to have to do functional redo's. Great video. Thanks for sharing.
Best budget strat: Squire Classice Vibe. If you do upgrades, it will cost close to a Fender Player Series, and another upgrade will cost close to a Player PLUS series which is, to me, THE BEST guitar when it comes to feel with it's rolled edge neck, faster restring with locking tuners and good balanced noiseless pickups. I suggest copper- shielding it because the shield paint they sometimes put a non-conductive paint like mine which is wierd. Having noiseless pickups doesn't mean they are fully noiseless. If not shielded properly the ground noise is still there.
I was just about to say the best is the Player Plus. It's legitimately the only Fender that I didn't immediately smh at for the price point.
I’ve had multiples of each. Once you fix the problems with the CVs and set them up properly the performance is quite similar. The Players have better hardware and electronics so likely will be more durable in the long-term. You can get a great guitar with the CV much cheaper.
I have a Classic Vibe 60's Strat in candy apple red and love it. Like you said, the Squier neck is so comfortable and and easy to play and the pickups sound great. Great comparison video.
Your pickguard should have 11 screws, he was wrong about the 8 screws, only the 50s has that to be period correct.
Honestly, I have fenders from all over, Japan, US, Korea, Mexico and I’ve owned tons of Squiers over the years. There were some Squiers I had that just sucked and I still own the ones that are phenomenal. Same with Fender. I think people should just try out what they want and go from there. everyone’s taste and feel is different
Really good side-by-side comparison here. I’m going with Fender. Also, if you upgrade tuners, the Fender locking tuners are $65 vs. $135 for Graph Tech Ratio tuners which you will have to use as Fender tuners are not compatible with Squire headstock unless you bore out the holes to 10mm and drill new peg holes to accommodate the Fender tuners. Bottom line: you’ll be much happier with the Fender. If you have to buy a guitar now and you can’t afford the Fender, get a used Squire Affinity for $125 at Guitar Center. I have one from ‘97 that I absolutely love.
Just bought a Player Strat, lovely in polar white, manufactured January 2024.
Can't find any flaws, and it's a joy to play it, it's got a vibe. Sighting the neck it is a perfect fair curve, frets are polished and well done, tuners and bridge are fine, these supposedly newly designed Alnico 5 pickups are outstanding. Incredible bang for the buck.
I also have a 40th anniversary Squier strat, which differs from the classic vibe series only in cosmetics, apparently. It was a lesser guitar until I put in a fishman fluence loaded pickguard in it, and now they are both excellent. Roughly the same total cost.
I have the same guitar got it about a year ago. Just put on some Custom Shop fat 50s pickups (prewired pick guard) and a new nut its a real performer.
With my headphones and TH-cam the Squier sounded okay. It definitely sounded different from the Fender, but not terrible. At this point I wouldn't expect to see those factory defects that were on the Squier. Definitely on the $200, but not up there around $500.
Nice one, guys!
I think that even though there are some good quality things about the CV Squier, it's the little details that make it lose out to a MIM Fender in the long run. Sure you could upgrade everything on a Squier but is it worth it in the end? Probably not. If you want a Strat that you are going to be satisfied with for the long haul I'd recommend going for at least a Mexican Strat. If you don't mind upgrading after a year or two buy a Squier.
I've owned 2 Fender player series Strats and recently I sold my Fender. Decided to buy a Harley Benton CST 24 but which is built beautifully. Only issue I have is the weight of it. It's very heavy. So I decided to buy a Jet JS300 strat style guitar 🎸 and the finish is way better than the Fender. Roasted maple neck the frets are finished off better and the nice cut out at the bottom of the body near the neck is a bonus. This is by far the best feeling and playing guitar that I've owned. It's amazing. It's quarter the price of the Fender and after owning 2 player series Strats it's better in my opinion.
the incorrectly drilled trem claw screws isnt just a squire problem my 22 player with a floyd rose had the same issue, it had to go back it also had cracks in the finish around the neck and a chip around the pocket for the floyd rose, on the other hand my solid bridge squire was spot on out the box and played well with minimal setup, in the end i put some tex-mex pickups, nice pick plate/pots and switch gear, locking tuners and polished the frets (didn't need leveling). it took a decent budget guitar up to a good guitar for very little money, if you don't care what it says on the head there is some serious value picking up a really cheap squire and dressing it up a bit, its also a very cheap safe way to learn to work on guitars without worrying about messing up an expensive guitar.
Best overall value (bang for the buck) , in my opinion, is the classic vibe 60s Strat. Great sound and playability at a price point that makes it easy to upgrade, if you want to.
The trem and the lacquer issue is just on this one you had. Normally the trem is just as it should be and on the Squiers I had there were not lacquer issues at all. The only thing that has to be upgraded on every Squier strat is the trem block, which is too narrow and hence too light and makes the strings vibrate a bit different, like a hollowbody guitar. The pickups are a matter of taste, so if you don't like the sound, you can exchange them. But this applies to the player strat too.
You do get what you pay for. Fender custom shop blows away a Mexico Player series, but for most that is overkill. Be discriminating and feel free to pass on a bad build. If you are a new guitar player go to a shop you can trust and don't feel like you have to buy something every time you walk in the door. For the new player buy the guitar you will play, the best accessory is a guitar stand and leave the guitar out where you can pick it up and play it at a moments notice. Also an expensive guitar does not make you a good guitar player. Playing a guitar makes you a good guitar player.
You can spend about an hour with a MIM strat and have it playing just as nice as a USA model. Most of what you're paying for after the player series is the location of assembly and time spent on details. And the USA bridge and electronics can be purchased and dropped into a MIM for $300-400. With the player series being around $675 now, you could be at custom shop level for under $1000. But that's the difference between players and collectors, I guess.
I like the player series , great value, the classic vibe is great too. Hard choice, I’m hooked on the Strat with floating tremolo. Never used it much before but since listening to Jeff Beck it’s so much fun. Zzounds is really great for good buys, I’m on my second guitar from them, bought a PRs silver sky se stone blue then an affinity Strat hh in artic white, the affinity was great out of the box , perfect for what I liked, all I had to do is tune it. Thanks for the great review. They help a lot in making decisions. Great job guys.
I bought a Player Strat a couple of years ago and it was absolutely unplayable due to tuning instability. I added locking tuners, a real bone nut, plus a pro setup and now it holds tuning better than any other guitar I own.
I can't stress enough how much the bone nut improved tuning. It got me into a Gilmour vibe, which of course includes lot's of bending, and it just stays in tune no matter what I do.
The only bad part is the body is now full of toothpicks because over 50% of the screw holes were stripped from the factory. They need to hand tighten the screws or use an electric tool with only a fraction of the torque. 😆
Straighten out the springs on the CV Strat and that will loosen the tension a bit so you can screw in the clamp screws to get the bridge float you want and just maybe there will be enough clearance to mount the back plate properly. Then again might not make enough difference to fix the problem.
I just played a classic vibe in a store near me tonight...it was the best strat I've ever played. I've never liked strats...they were harder to play and had a tone I didn't care for. THe classic vibe tonight was a slick and easy player...great fun playing it. Nice sounds too...I almost bought it on the spot. The one thing that I wonder about is the trem...as I will do the odd dive bomb...if it wouldn't stay in tune, then I might have to step up to the players. But then again...as corny as this sounds...lol...I loved the "vibe" of the classic vibe. It has a vintage vibe, and I much prefer that to the stale feel of the players strat.
I love my player strat. I had a pro setup and had a bone nut put on it. A great price with zero complaints
Squier all the way here ! Just love gloss necks so much more than satin. Also agree on the unique, special feel of that Squier neck which I just could not find on the MIM Strats and I played and compared at least 50 Fenders MIM at the store over the course of a few weeks - like you said, just can't figure it out why, but that Squier neck is insanely good and comfy. For 400 $, if you need to, you can upgrade pickups, have the shop fix the screws, upgrade the bridge components or bridge if so desired and then you have the best feeling neck with your totally personal touch modded config still less than the Fender :-) BTW, the Squier has a BONE nut, but you need to replace the string guard for a roller or graphtec... I actually got a Squire like this in Daphne Blue for 300$ used and modded it to the max with the Fender TEXAS SPECIAL loaded pickguard (269 $), GraphTec Ferra-Glide saddles - it's insane how good this feels and plays. To me - the Fender MIM lacks the luster of and quality of an american Fender PRO II or Eric Johnson Model but is too much money to justify for MODD platform 🙂 As far as getting guitars with a flaw, Fender, Gibson, Squier etc.. I've seen it all and there appears to be no QC that could catch em all. But when you buy a new Squier, the shop will take it back usually no questions asked (like Thoman here in Europe).
That was a great review. Best I’ve see on TH-cam. Well, which one would I choose. I would go with the Squire. Just more bang for the buck. Yes, there was a blame, but don’t let me go into my issues with Made in USA guitars. The only reason I would go with the MIM model is it’s nice having the Fender logo on the head stock , but why spend double for that. Yep, the Squire is fine with me.
The 8 PG screws is period correct for 50s specs. The CV 60s and 70s Strats have 11 screw PG mounting.
For someone who's budget conscious I'd say it's a good idea to buy a more expensive squire around the 250-300 price point to get a good guitar.
Of course the fender is amazing but I own an affinity strat from squire and it does everything I want with near to no issues.
The better build quality on the Player Series did not surprise me. What did however, was that I preferred the sound of the Squier.
Great video.
I have a HSS player series strat first thing I didn’t like were the pickups ,I thought they were a bit dead ,I swapped them out for Seymour Duncan’s and it plays and sounds much much better now .That is the only downfall of buying guitars online without playing. A lesson learnt .
Love my mex strat all the same, can’t go wrong with some good electronics, no issues with the springs and bridge assembly whatsoever
Never owned a squire but did buy three player series telecaster's all of which were returned due to poor build quality and faulty components. Ended up keeping a performer series telecaster instead. Nice honest review.
Most often than not we get what we pay for therefore we can generally expect the higher priced product from the same manufacturer to be better, there can be exceptions however. Both good guitars.
I disagree with your assumption on the correct bridge float and tuning stability. Factory spec, at least for my Strat Plus, if you have 1/8 inch float above the body and that feels just right for me. Tuning stability has always been amazing but again, that’s on the Strat Plus.
Call me crazy but i preferir the Squier 😅 I had a American Strat 2013 and then I bought a Tele Squier cv custom 60s and guess what? I preferir the Squier. I know there are not the same modelo but you got the point. Now I’m thinking to buy a Strat cv 50s black color.
Thanks this video helped me a lot to decide 🙌🏼
I went for the affinity for the 2 point trem, and easily upgraded. I know the CV is the "upgrade" but when playing the fender and the squiers i didnt want to compare a vintage appointed guitar versus a modern.
Really informative. I play a lot of squires and they get the job done for me. I do modify though. But I like to see how they perform next to a fender. Thanks!
The classic vibe is as good as the original designs. Its abiut as raw as it gets.
CTS = Chicago Telephone services, i think. Just in case anyone was wondering. I have a left handed MiM Strat in Tiodepool, it's a 2017. I have a 50's CV Squire Tele and they are pretty much the same in terms of electronics, budget, Pot's, switch besides that the husk of the Guitar is great, they usually are. What always put's me off Squire's and this was no exception, the crappy pot metal Trem block, instant replacement for a full size steel or Brass one. Besides that i don't have a problem concurring with your review. Thanks for taking the time.
There is no excuse for quality defects. Quatily control and training is what is needed. You can justify all kinds of defects because of price but the real issue is that product should meet certain standards and not rough enough is geed enough!
The neck pickup on that squier is so rich. Definitely would take the squier
Until christone Kingfish was given his own signature fender he played the Fender player series stratocasters stock so if there good enough for him they are good enough for anyone
Love my mim strat over my squire. Thanks for the vid. Peace!
Holy cow, I just bought the Squier CV 50's and while it plays beautifully and has the 100% Strat feel and sound, but mine weighs 9lbs 3 ozs.
I bought a Player Plus Meteora several months ago, the build quality is excellent. I got the silver burst, it looks amazing and plays great. A Player Plus SSS Strat is at the top of my want list.
I’ve heard these classic vibes are an insane value for the money
In market for Black Player Noir Strat, checks most of my boxes for the given dollar amount it is at.
Great review! That's a killer lick at 13:27
Cool video, I wonder if pickup heights were identical?
I prefer hardtail guitars but not many strats in production😢
Really enjoyed this review , you certainly crammed in a lot . Question , with all new stock , how much time do you spend upon each guitar for inspection and playability reasons ? Did you send the Squier back ?
I picked up a player series Stratocaster from guitar center on sale .....less than $700 for one of their exclusive plus too in dark blue. Great guitar so far.....wish it came with a big bag
I did the same thing about 1,1/2 years ago. Got a Player plus top aged cherry HSS strat for $675 and it's msrp was $808. Paired it with a Katana 50 mkII and could not be happier!
Owned both and still own the player series. Was really impressed with the CV 50’s but after a few months a few frets lifted and the high E was getting stuck under the frets. Sent it back and got the 50’s Tele as a replacement haven’t had any issues with it in 2 years and after putting in better electronics I actually prefer it to the player series now and it still come out cheaper with $120 spent in upgrades.
I have a MIM Strat and a 90s Korean Squier. The Squier has Custom Shop 1965 pickups, bone nut, American Strat bridge and block, CTS 250k pots, Grigsby switch, and Fender locking tuners. Even with all the upgrades I still have about $500 in the guitar. I'll let y'all guess which one gets the most playing time. The Squiers are perfect for modding. Both have maple fretboards which I prefer.
I just purchased a CV Tele Esquire from CME. Double bound, Lake Placid Blue, perfectly set up. Amazing guitar. Single pickup guitars is where it’s at!
My players series strat is my primary guitar. It sounds like gold
Here is reason number 5 to buy the Squier: It is an excellent platform for modifications.
I bought my CV 50s Squier in Fiesta Red in March 22 and it doesn't have any qualitiy issues. However the metal parts especially the trem system feel and look quite cheap so I probably will replace the tremolo. The neck is very good and overall the guitar can easily compete with the Fender Classic Player 50s Strat from 2003 that I own as well.
I had the EMG David Gilmour Pickguard with active PUs and high quality electronis lying around so I purchased the Squier and mounted it in there.
The guitar sounds excellent now and has become one of my favourite Strats (I have 4 Fenders, USA, 2 MIM and Japan).
So you bought a $200 guitar and planted like $700 worth the gear in it? Could’ve just used a fancy log and done the same thing. Plus the log doesn’t support communism.
I've only just bought my first ever strat (I'm a gibson guy and have been for years) player series H/S/S in capri orange. On unboxing it was dreadful. Set up was so bad I had to send it back. No way an inexperienced player could have sorted it. Next one is sweet. Plays nice and is lightweight too. Not sure I'll get another anytime soon, but its okay for the price so far.
Big fan of Squiers here...I own several...but I did prefer the tone of the Fender in this comparison.
I really enjoyed watching the video. I have a Classic Vibe 50s Tele and aside from sounding a little thin, I absolutely love it as does anyone who plays it. I’m surprised that the spring tension screws were drilled in an angle like that. I hope that’s not a design flaw, thank you for pointing that out. I’m also happy to hear both those strays side by side like that but I did notice the MIM sounded a little more clear at times. And did you send the Squire back?
I’m interested in a Classic Vibe 60’s Telecaster and a Paranormal Telecaster.
The necks on those classic vibes are pretty awesome at least the aged gloss maple ones. I agree that jacked up trem spring screw isn’t good but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was part of the work instructions to lock those bridges down because of tuning issues and less experienced players squier is marketed towards. I don’t know if they locked it down to hide the screw or if it just happened ?
Great video! I have a Squier Affinity Stratocaster and it has satin neck and a two point tremolo that actually floats and the back plate fits right so though less expensive I think it may be better than the Classic Vibe. I like the ceramic pickups on mine and only thing that it really might need upgrading is the nut.
Agreed 110% 🎶‼️‼️‼️
The squire strat sounded to have a rounder sound than the fender. I have a Squire Telecaster in competition orange. I went fo my local Guitar center and say a Mexican Fender telecaster in Capri orange. Just as gorgeous as my squire. If i had the money that Tele would have gone home with me on color alone. The down side was Mexican necks are like baseball bats. Really thick and hard for me to play. My mom's partner had the same issue I'm having with the squire and that is the out put jack is starting to get loose. Long term buyers beware. Finally since the squire is significant cheaper, if you don't like the pickups get new pickups or a loaded pick gaurd. I'm personally think about getting a loaded nashville special pick gaurd for my Tele.
So I just started getting into guitar and im diggin the gloss the neck and fretboard. But I wonder if that affects the sound. Does the gloss make the sound a lil darker? Idk but I like how they both sound!👍
I got the Squier for $50 at a pawn shop. I honestly haven't played it much so far, I dismantled it in prep for a different finish, so I'll let ya know whenever I put it back together, lol. Thanks for the demo, it was informative.
If a new guitar player or a parent buying a guitar for their child asked me which one to buy, and money was not a concern, I would tell them go for the player series.
I understand a lot of people think the Squier is just as good, especially if you just add some copper tape to the pick guard and pay a luthier to replace the cheap pots and switch with CTS pots that are relatively inexpensive, but I would not recommend you do that unless you are comfortable with voiding the warranty and potentially damaging the guitar. Also modded guitars always have worse resell value.
The Player Strat is almost 1:1 identical spec to the Fender American Standard Stratocaster from 2008-2016 (predecessor to the American Professional). The hardware, pickups, electronic components, wood, paint, are all the same spec as the American standard, just it's made in Mexico so it's able to be offered at a much lower price point. That's why if you see a used American Strat for $1000 or even $900, it's not necessarily worth it to buy over a $799 Player Strat.
So it's really a guitar meant for "Players", people who take them around and play them at shows. Literally nothing wrong with the guitar, neck is comfortable and highly playable, guitar has good electromagnetic shielding to reduce a little bit of hum, Trem bridge is very high-quality and stays in tune pretty well, pickups are Alnico 5 and although they are more neutral sounding and not as icepick, Fender-sounding as Vintage pickups, I would argue that's a good thing because it makes the instrument more versatile rather than specialized. The guitars come out of the factory with a pretty low action, just overall there's nothing wrong with the Player guitars.
At the end of the day, buy whatever you want. Just make sure you can play the fuck out of that guitar. That's what matters.
I have a 50s CV Strat and a 60s CV Strat, alongside 96 and 2006 Mexican strats.
I prefer the CVs.
The bridge, floating or not if you look the front blade must be top even with the pickguard. Do not adjust the springs first, check the front first. It's the part that floats. The front 6 screws are always ignored and normally to high or tightened down by others.
I have that exact fender Strat in tidepool blue, it’s my favorite guitar of all my guitars. Up until a couple years it was around $649 which I think was a great price and I got it from a shop so I got to choose one with really nice patterns in the neck wood and it came with a professional set up. Can’t believe they jumped to $849 though
In terms of the Clean Tone, I loved the Spankiness of the Classic Vibe Strat pickups. ❤️🎸👍
I went for a CV60s strat. It has the best neck ever. And that beautiful sunburst finish, really is high quality for the price. The pick-ups are nice and bright, giving the classic strat sound. It also sounds great with my BD2, TS9 and wah going full throttle on it.
Sound wise I clearly prefer the Squire...
On the two point again, the front if you look is too low. Lay a pick on each end or? And adjust til its touching the pic. Thats why your fighting the issues
Hears a tip. If the trem is too tight after unscrewing the claw take a spring out.
I love my Classic Vibe, mine doesn't have the trem locked down tight, and the screws are parallel, so no getting in the way of the cover. I did have to add a little spring under the the whammy bar, though, so it wouldn't flop around. I don't use it much, so could have left the bar off, I suppose. My guess, is the spring was lost when it was being set up before shipping it to me. A little service they do if a guitar costs more than $300.
The string separation on the Player was so much better. Also, the Squier had the old 'blanket over the speaker' thing happening. I'd purchase a MIJ as in Australia at least, they're similar prices to the Player series. Cheers mate!
I thought the CV neck PU was a bit muddy sounding compared to the Player.
I had two Classic Vibe 70s Strats and both were kick ass! Same can be said for the Fender, can't go wrong with either! However, that particular CV in the video, should not have passed QC and doesn't reflect the modern Squier guitar.
Bought my first ever Fender a couple of months ago, a shell pink MiM with a roasted maple neck. The list of stuff that is wrong with that sorry paddle is something to behold, blisters in the neck finish, screws for the trem cradle stick into the PU cavity, the screws of the string saddles are partially gone already....
The seller refuses to acknowledge the flaws saying the guitar did not left his shop in the condition it came to my doorstep.... I guess I will have some words with Fender directly...
I don’t pay any attention to the haters. I’ve owned a variety of Strats over the years, American, Japanese and Mexican.
They were all good guitars. My new Squier CV 50 is a great Strat and fun to play. I like the Alnico 5 pickups. They sound very 50’s authentic.These are built in Indonesia now…oh no sacrilege!
The overall quality is very good considering the price point. I could upgrade the tuners and the bridge plate, probably won’t…it stays in tune.
For those who prefer to buy a more expensive version, good for you!
I started with a classic vibe Squier. Then I bought my player strat and I almost never played the Squier. Then I bought an American pro II strat. I still play my player strat and my pro II but never the Squier, time to sell it I guess. They are all really good guitars and sound great.
I remember about 15 years go the Squiers were about $249 and the Mexi strat were $499. At the at time the mexican strats were much closer to the Squier of today. The mexi strat today is much closer to the USA strats. So the prices doubled but the quality has been much improved as well. Actually back then neither of the guitars featured alnico pickups. I recently bought a Mexi P-bass and a Squier vintage series P-bass, there is almost no difference in quality. The Fender had better tuners and pots, other than that, I can't find any differenes. The fretwork was better on the Squier!
Tonally I completely agree however the neck finish on the Player is exceptional
Guitar quality is really all over the place. You really need to just try a lot of guitars before buying one. I was in a shop earlier today, and I am only a returning player having not really played in the last 10 or so years. This shop was specializing in used instruments, so they have all sorts of random stock. I played everything from basically new MIM Player Strats, to older squiers, to mid 00's American Standard Strats and Teles, even a couple Epiphone Les Paul Standards. I ended up walking out with a G&L ASAT Tribute which honestly played better than anything else I picked up, and it was less than half the cost of the American Fenders. I think there are just so many variables in guitars that you really can't know what will feel right in your hands until you try it. Before today I was positive I was going to buy a Squier Classic Vibe Strat.
Prices of mexican fenders have skyrocketted
They are back down now due to the high inflation and lower sales.
Call me stupid, but I like the pickups in the Classic Vibe. I might even swap the pick guards if they were both mine.
I agonised over this one for a liong time. I love the pickups on the CV. I plumped for the player, which is nice with a lovely trem. Im not a natural strat guy so the neck radius and buzzy g bothered me. Add to that the magnetic pull of the pups and I was fiddling for a while. Finally got there but the CV had a more traditional strat spank to her. The player alnico 5s are a nice tone but not something Id say is classic. Still, the build quality is good. Worth 200 quid more..maybe not.