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I feel like Rick has really tapped into something with these long form interviews. Where else can you hear directly from LEGENDS like Butch Vig or Billy Corgan or Sting or Maynard James Keenan or Derek Trucks and hear their stories. Rick asks the questions we would ask and has a comfortable nature that seems to bring out the best stories. I have always enjoyed the Rick Beato content, but these interviews are special. Extremely unique and fascinating content that you cannot get anywhere else. Keep it up Rick!
Agreed. I also love how these interviews aren't dumbed down for general audiences. It's like two musicians talking shop together…which of course it is.
@@googpix540 There are some channels out there for that. I agree we need more of it, because you can't hide for 3 hours. Long form is very revealing, and it allows plenty of time to unpack ideas.
"You can't record the same guitar multiple times with the same tones." Man, that is some of the best recording advice for working musicians I've ever heard.
@@Rand_al_Thor372 well, recording the same guitar part multiple times with the same tone to make that one part sound bigger and fuller is one thing. I think what Butch Vig is referring to here is recording different guitar parts with the same tone.
Dang nothing has ever opened my eyes more to show the amount of work producers put into albums hats off to Butch for producing one of the greatest albums of all time
if u listen to early smells like teen spirit demo u will see the real impact Butch had on whole nevermind. ppl always say how navermind changed the music history, and Butch is the unspoken hero o that story
Everyone has already said it, but I gotta double down. Rick, you are going to go down in history as one of the most important historians of rock music. These interviews are priceless. The questions you ask are so precise and beautiful and brings out so many amazing stories and detail. And of course who better than someone who understands and knows the legacy of all these brilliant instruments, tech, and musicology can be the one to make this happen. Thank you for being awesome and producing this amazing content. And Butch was fascinating to listen to.
His interviews are really good....I especially like how he doesn't waste anytime with stupid typical drama questions. I know very little about music production, but I can really appreciate the process and it's so nice to hear all the details.
Listening and then asking intelligent and thoughtful questions is difficult - there are many journalists who completely fail at this, Rick gives us a masterclass with Butch.
Butch said, “Let’s do this again.” Um, yes please. This was so good. Thank you, Rick. No one is doing interviews like this. I don’t play an instrument, let alone record music, but I loved listening to you two talk about recording equipment and instruments. This and the Billy Corgan interview are my favorites from this channel.
It's amazing what all goes on behind the scenes. Most people wouldn't have a clue about what it takes to make a recording. Of course the digital age has made things easier but the analog days of cut and splicing with tape is a whole different ball game. Personally, the analog tape production like the needle piercing the vinyl sounds more organic and that extra work seems to pay off.
Listening to Butch speak I get the feeling that being a walking encyclopedia of production knowledge accounts for about half of the success, and the fact that he comes across as someone you would be super comfortable talking to, bouncing ideas off of and working with is also a huge part of it.
Butch is a humble dude and every year (except Covid year) comes back to Madison and does a benefit with local and international musicians for a benefit called Joey's Song. Dude gives back to the community that continues to RESPECT what this man does with music. 23:17 Miking drums. Rock on Butch Vig.
Interesting to think that maybe I may have passed by Butch when I was student there. I went through the humanities building just about every day. I also had a few philosophy classes there. It’s an unusual building. The top floors are suspended high above on big pillars.
I love how Butch still talks about the Nirvana guys like they’re still kids just making good music, not as this band that’s gonna live forever. He has a real love for them
Because they were just kids… and they were just people. Kurt was 24ish at the time, highly opinionated and kind of difficult. Add in drug addiction affecting his attitude and it’s a cross between producing and babysitting.
Rick - this is the most comprehensive (and personal) interview I’ve ever seen with Butch. For all of us lovers of 90s rock, we’ve pieced together little snippets of his interviews here and there, but your interview beautifully fills in the background color and detail - in a way we’ve always hoped to know and see. Masterful interview, and Butch clearly connected with you. Thank you so much for this. Waiting for part 2 someday….
This was better than any interview I've ever heard between two producers of music can't wait for part 2 thank you Rick for all your efforts there is nobody out there like you
Rick you are literally creating history with your channel. In an era where music is made into cheap fast junk food content and noone cares about the magic of it, you interview legends and create HOPE and INSPIRATION. Thank you! Dont give in to robots and the industry people!
Would entirely agree with you, however, I have been looking into some of these AI music creation apps and I got to tell you, it's actually pretty damn good. Now, I don't think it's at the level that we're talking here, you cannot artificially make songs like the one's from Nirvana or the Pumpkins. But we're also just scratching the surface of AI created music. In 5 years, who knows if you could tell the difference between a song made by a human, or an app.
@@valuedhumanoid6574 Musicians will use AI as part of the creative process. Can guarantee if the Beatles were starting out now, they would find a way to use it. They loved all the latest technology. Just hope Paul and Ringo don't use AI John and George now, that would sound horrible😂
The common theme is these guys are mainly self taught. There’s no classes that will replace tenacity & overcoming challenges on your own. What you learn from those challenges is priceless & can’t be planned.
Butch said something like "we barely scratched the surface on some of this" and I was thinking, yeah you just got started on Siamese Dream before skipping off to talk about Garbage
Butch Vig is such a humble legend and Rick’s natural curiosity and interview style is so on point. I’m in heaven listening to these two guys geek out on 90’s rock nostalgia.
These interviews are gold 🏆 Recorded at Smart a couple of times in the 80s before the big records happened, back when Tar Babies and Killdozer records were the big things on their wall. Butch and Steve Marker are beautiful dudes and it was pure love in that scruffy studio. What a joy to be there with them. Love those guyz they R total working class heroes 🙏
Hands down one of the best interviews I've watched in my life.. I couldn't stop watching it.. and so many technical details combined with memories of hearing this material on the radio when it was first dominating the airwaves... what a wonderful time where artists/musicians/producers/engineers met with technology to create something so organic and genuine that we don't have in music today
Same with me bro. I have an intractable migraine from my time in the military. It's 0409 here and I really should try to sleep, but eff it. This is great stuff. Thank you Rick!!!!
Of all the interviews this one is a fast favorite. Butch is great, and such an amicable guy. I loved how they both air drum/ guitar with the songs Rick played. What a unique opportunity to talk to one of the best producers of alternative rock ever. Rick let him talk and Butch stayed on point. Very well done Rick! Love this one!
At 28:whatever, when Rick cues up I Am One, to see Butch instantaneously fall into the groove is so cool. Rick's there as well, as are I imagine thousands of us who watched this and found ourselves back at the first listening, and to some extent every listening since then. Music is magic.
I always enjoyed Inside the Actors Studio but bummed that there was never anything like it for music. Rick - you’re quickly becoming that guy. Someone who can intelligently talk to an artist about things related to the craft is rare. Glad you are doing these interviews!
I love how the early interviews had the guests gradually getting comfortable and candid, and “engaged”, as they realized that Rick was asking great questions, not looking for the usual “gotcha” garbage. Now we see that your guests are looking forward to getting their own great interview, and it’s really entertaining and informative for all of us.
This isn't really an interview, this is a masterclass for any aspiring young people wanting to get into the producing side of the industry and probably just as much as a goldmine for already experienced techs, engineers and producers. Incredible content.
Garbage is one of my favorite bands. Discovered them when my neighbor in the dorms bought their debut album and decided he didn't like them, so he gave me the CD. Must have listened to that on repeat for months.
0:00 The first recording Butch ever did 6:58 First years in the recording studio 14:55 Smashing Pumpkins I 23:05 Drum talk 26:09 Smashing Pumpkins II 28:19 Smashing Pumpkins - I Am One 38:13 Smashing Pumpkins - Daydream 41:44 Kurt Cobain bootlegs himself 45:15 Starting on Nevermind 50:22 Recording Nevermind 56:50 Nirvana - Lithium 1:00:19 Nirvana - In Bloom 1:06:10 Kurt Cobain and The Beatles 1:11:06 Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit I 1:16:49 Nirvana - On A Plain 1:20:27 Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit II 1:24:39 Siamese Dream 1:27:53 Smashing Pumpkins - Cherub Rock 1:32:38 Garbage 1:42:57 Rock will come back to the forefront
This is the stuff that we want as music fans. The behind-the-scenes stories. The equipment they use. We love the minutiae of making music and suck it up like a sponge. I often recall the most detailed stuff about my favourite records and bands, because if you love music you love music and want to learn. An interview like this might be edited by other youtube streamers but I love that the detail is left in. Thank you so much, Rick! It seems like you know what you would want in a music TH-cam channel and that's what you serve us. It's just beautiful and your heart, it shows. You care. Bravo!
My favorite part of this interview is leading into the chorus of “On A Plain” Butch plays the air drum fill and Rick plays air bass. Love to see two legends acting like 14 year olds!!
One of the coolest things in this interview is where they talk about lining up the next Pumpkins record in the wake of the world changing Nevermind, and how much pressure Butch was under to deliver something equally successful. Normally, there would have been a lot of doubt about anyone being able to pull the same trick again, but in this case the result was an album that was as big, powerful, and successful as it was unique and defining in its own right. Siamese Dream might not have represented the same musical revolution that Nevermind did, but it came as close as anything ever could and was without a doubt one of the most iconic albums of the 90’s.
I think Siamese Dream has yet to get its big moment to shine, and I remember how big it was when it came out. Some kid will discover it in a few years and it'll change the world again
I have been a formally trained sound engineer for over 22 years, and I have never gleaned so much from an interview as I have with this one. THANK YOU! Vig is my HERO!🙏
this is definitely a longshot but i am 16 and want to be a music producer or sound engineer. i can play guitar and use DAW, what steps should i start taking to become a producer (schooling, knowledge, tips, etc.)
@@kcdw0012 I went to school for sound engineering, but what you need to do more than anything is just start getting your hands dirty. Do TH-cam videos, volunteer at churches to run their sound (most provide free training), if there are recording studios around you, become an intern and work for free and get really good/quality training, start recording and mixing friends for free on your DAW, but most importantly... It's about who you know. 110%! You have to get involved in the business on a personal level, even if you were the best producer in the world, nobody's going to know it if you don't have people sending clients to you. It's about making friends and building your chops at the same time. Be easy to work with and don't have an attitude, even when circumstances might dictate otherwise. When it boils down to it, people want to work with cool people.😎 Lastly, be willing to do whatever it takes to get the job done, even if you don't know how to do something, learn it while in-process, but in order to be a producer, you need to learn all aspects of recording/mixing... At least in my opinion. With that said, there's been a bit of a mix-up in the language that we use nowadays for "producers". Producers used to be people that could get an album put together from start to finish, and are able to provide good creative input in order to make the best recording possible, while dealing the artists on a personal level. Nowadays, the term producer has been diminished to someone that just sits around making beats and providing artists with material that they can record to. Regardless of how you're using the word, you'll need to figure out what specifically you need to learn in order to accomplish your goal. Butch vig, as seen in this interview, is a tracking and mixing engineer first.... The producer stuff came later. He earned every bit of his success.
Amazing interview. I remember covering On a Plain with My band in the mid 90s. That was my band’s favourite Nirvana track. When Rick said that was his favourite I had a big grin on my face.
Rick Beato I am so proud we call the same city home. I work in downtown ATL and have been a musician and songwriter damn near my whole life. 38 this year. These interviews have been so crucial in the way of insight into the minds and spirits of some of my absolute favorite Musicians and bands. I've been a subscriber for a long time. Id kill to see you at the Fox. Keep up the good work!
The synchronised head bobbing of these music lovers is epic. Also, given how many times Butch has already listened to these songs during production and since then, he still air drums and air guitars along with it like a proud dad. Supreme interview Rick and Butch.
Good point. You know Butch wore these tracks out mixing them and he still has all the love for these songs. He really appreciates the process as much as a musician playing in the song.
This was a great interview! One of my favourite so far on the show. I was low key hoping Rick would have asked Butch Vig about " the theft" of Billy Corgans guitar sound on the Nevermind record claim, from Corgan's interview. It would be interesting to hear the other side of that story.
This has gotta be Rick’s best interview yet! I’m a novice at production but it’s easy to tell that this interview has something to teach producers at every level.
Rick is officially the go to contact if an artist wants to go deep on an interview. This was a great listen, and I am absolutely amazed at Butch's near perfect memory of these sessions.
Your memory reference reminds me of listening to athletes who can, years later, describe in great detail the intricacies of a play or a game. A well-tuned mind can operate way beyond our conscious appreciation of it's capabilities.
@@popkorn256 Probably true, but I don't think that explains why he seems to remember every piece of equipment he has owned or used since his very first recording session! :)
@@marceror As a 67 year old recording engineer, I too remember most every piece of gear I've used on most everything! If I can make a suitable comparison...for most 'guys', consider how much you remember about each and every car you've owned, and what you did in said cars! It comes down to the LOVE you have, and hence those memories will stay with you forever!
Aside from the fact that Butch’s resume and contribution to music is undeniable….his energy, vibe and passion for the music he has been associated with is just so infectious. You can tell how much admiration he has for the artists.
What a great way to end your conversation. Two classic gentlemen on top of their respective position in the great world of music, discussing so many things we love to know about. This was what us in the Ironworker's world, we call "Smooth on smooth". A supreme compliment to you both. Thank You Brothers...
Rick You are Producing Some of the Most Significant/Important Musical History Documents of All Time with Your Heart and Depth of Knowledge...Here is another Example, Butch Vig is Brilliant and You Reflect that Beautifully...Thank You Greatly !!! Cheers AAA
What an awesome interview, its so refreshing when you get someone who knows what they’re talking about asking good questions. This felt more like two old buddies geeking out over old demos than an interview.
I saw them on that tour and that show is one my top favorites and Garbage is my all time favorite band. A perfect example of everything working together as it should. Not a day goes by that I don’t listen to them.
@@austinhunt4260 I loved that first album from Garbage. When I first heard Vow on 120 minutes I was like who the hell is this? There's nothing like hearing and discovering a new band for the first time.
Such an amazing interview, a great insight into the mystical world of production in the late 80’s/ early 90’s. Love the technical aspects, it’s like watching two masters scientists discussing the most technical theory’s like they’re making soup. Totally amazing watch. Thank you Rick 🙏
Gish is absolutely positively my favorite pumpkins album period! I love Siamese dream second and Mellon Collie third. Yeah can’t go wrong with GISH! I saw the pumpkins on lollapalooza in 94 and loved hearing Gish and Siamese Dream! Both records are pure HEAVEN! Billy, James, Darcy, and Jimmy doesn’t get better than that! I’m not gonna lie: I REALLY MISS DARCY BEING IN THIS BAND 💔 ROCK ON BUTCH VIG!
Gish, Siamese Dream, Pisces Iscariot, MellonCollie, The Aeroplane Flies Hight, Adore, Machina and Machina II. Ten years of awesome and great music. This band was pure gold in the 90s. Zeitgeist and Oceania are good albums but not on the same level. When the band broke up in 2000 the magic was gone. And ATUM is the worst Smashing Pumpkins album.
These interviews are not only amazing, but they must be preserved. These are going to become historical for the next generations to gain knowledge. And that is why Rick's effort must be applauded. He is literally carrying the torch. Protect Rick Beato at all costs.
You know, all of these people have been interviewed before. There are countless books and magazines where these guys have talked about their profession. "Behind the Glass" is a great one. "All You need is Ears". Mix Magazine interviewed top pros for years, as did Sound on Sound and Recording magazines.
I have piles and boxes of those magazines, and those books. I prefer to listen to these interviews.These are INFINITELY better for me because I learn their personality, feel their passion, hear them laugh!
There's a video out about the making of Nevermind and when Butch talked about how he recorded Something In The Way, that's when I knew he was one of the Masters. That is one of the most haunting, mellow, laidback tracks of all time. Very Pink Floyd-ish. An amazing producer.
Fml… I could listen to Rick interview all these 90s bands and producers all day! During the 90s it was hard to comprehend how impactful the grunge and rock scene would be, I never thought it would take on an eternal form and last forever. As a musician, it’s the best channel to watch and hear all about the equipment used!
I saw that this was a nearly two-hour video, and I wasn't sure that I would watch it all the way through. Not only did I watch it in its entirety, but I am now recommending it to others. Phenomenal interview.
I was 12 yrs old starting high school... Back then you could rent tape cassette at th library and I had to use mom's stereo to record my copy tape... Will always remember her expressions when the album started playing... Confusion, surprise, interrogation, amused... I loved becoming a teen in the 90's!
Fantastic interview. It was great to hear in detail how the songs you discussed were put together. I'm a huge fan of Garbage as well so it was nice to hear you touch on that aspect of Butch's career.
I loved loved loved every second of this interview. What a legend Butch is, and thank you Rick for bringing us an amazing history lesson. Being 20 in 1990 I was at the right age to appreciate the massive change this music brought about after suffering years of the Stock, Aitken and Waterman sound, and the hair bands that had become pretty stale. Butch was so pivotal to that change. To hear him tell his story is a real privilege.
I've been re-watching Rick's interviews, they are so full of fun trivia, music knowledge, history and amazing stories! I have said the following after every interview: "That was the best interview yet!" They are all so great! 👍
Through the history of man, pre current media outlets, one of the main/most important person in the tribe was the story teller. This was how the history and sustaining of the tribes traditions survived. Rick is our guy! As always, JD
I have to say, watching Butch air drum to Jimmy Chamberlain, like I have a million and a half times, made my week. Great interview. Thank you, Rick and Butch!
One thing I really love about all these amazing interviews is that almost all of the greats of music history are really down to earth. Thats something to think about and to learn from. Thank you so much Rick and Butch❤!
the success of Nick on this interviews, is that artist and producers recognize Nicks professionalism, that makes them relaxed, capable of expressing and geek out with out effort knowing they are being listen, amazing interview wow!!
This interview along with the Corgan interview is key 🔑 These are the answers to questions we’ve been wanting to know for years and so much information has been clouded in mystery or has been misinterpreted along the way. Having these videos and interviews is really a tremendous treat after so many years. Thank you so much Rick!
What makes Rick great is that people like me, who know hardly anything about music production or engineering, can be completely engrossed in listening to the recording processes. Rick, you're a complete legend. These albums I've listened to thousands of times. Hearing about them being made is completely amazing.
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Wow that is a great compliment. Engineers can often get very technical and nerdy.
This content is something I enjoy even more than mainstream movies. Butch Vig's history is so fascinating, can't believe all the amazing talented genius people you get on here.
No matter how high the level of fame or the legendary status of the guests, Rick simply brings the musicians out of them and somehow the 'celebrity' side resides. I think that is the greatest achievement of this channel.
One of the wonderful things about Rick as an interviewer is how he injects his knowledge of the topic in his questions to spur very interesting and expansive responses without resorting to talking about his own substantial experience in the subject.
A music critic once called Garbage, "Shirley Manson with a bunch of plumbers." LOL. Obviously, he was making fun of their look and not their music. Butch Is a legend. He doesn't get the credit he deserves.
I remember hearing cherub rock for the first time driving in my car and couldn't believe the sonic quality of it. I love Garbage and of course the first time hearing Teen Spirit in my brother's car is something I'll never forget. Butch is a true talent.
I loved this. Coming from Madison, we are so proud of Butch and how he put the city on the rock n roll map. Love how he made himself into a great producer.
I've loved everything Butch has done over the years. Gish and Siamese Dream are amazing records, as is Nevermind. I'm a huge Garbage fan as well. Thank you Butch!
I remember playing Gran Tourismo 2 and hearing that Garbage track over and over again. I liked it, so I dug a little and was shocked that one of the band members had produced Nevermind!
On ‘In Bloom’ those drum hooks they’re talking about were actually done by Chad Channing on the original Smart Studio version first. Dave was pretty much just recreating what was on that version. Just to give credit where it’s due.
I like what Butch Vig said at the end when he admitted that he was a pop geek and loved listening to the Carpenters. In my opinion, to really love music, one would have to be open to all kinds.
Yeah... and Rick Beato did a Carpenters video 5 months ago that I just watched this past weekend! Then I read tonight on Wikipedia where Butch described "You Look So Fine" citing its "Carpenters doing Sonic Youth quality".
Butch is not only a legendary producer and musician. His phenomenally detailed memory of recording and engineering tales from sessions held over two decades ago is endlessly mesmerizing. Not to mention, Rick's questions and commentary are so pertectly on point, I could listen to many more hours of just the two of them talking.
This is a GREAT interview. I love the recording/mixing/engineering side almost as much as the songwriting/performing side of things, so listening to Butch talk is awesome.
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Need a part 2! I want to hear him talk more about the discography of Garbage! Great interview Rick🙏
@TheMushTube Oh yeah! What great idea! Who doesn't love Garbage! They're a super band! You are inspired MushTube!
This was so great. First garbage record and 2.0 finishing it of was fun. Thank you!
The interviews you're cranking out lately are freaking awesome.
Mutt Lange interview would be very interesting. Think of all the acts he's produced.
I feel like Rick has really tapped into something with these long form interviews. Where else can you hear directly from LEGENDS like Butch Vig or Billy Corgan or Sting or Maynard James Keenan or Derek Trucks and hear their stories. Rick asks the questions we would ask and has a comfortable nature that seems to bring out the best stories. I have always enjoyed the Rick Beato content, but these interviews are special. Extremely unique and fascinating content that you cannot get anywhere else. Keep it up Rick!
Agreed. I also love how these interviews aren't dumbed down for general audiences. It's like two musicians talking shop together…which of course it is.
Rick Rubin's podcast is pretty great too. Beato is def my favorite though.
Now we need political long firm interviews.
@@googpix540 There are some channels out there for that. I agree we need more of it, because you can't hide for 3 hours. Long form is very revealing, and it allows plenty of time to unpack ideas.
@@googpix540 Ummm. No.
Leave politics out.
"You can't record the same guitar multiple times with the same tones."
Man, that is some of the best recording advice for working musicians I've ever heard.
Lots of good knowledge here for home recording guys
Randy Rhoads would say otherwise.
@@Rand_al_Thor372 you sure about that?
@@randygomez9595 positive. He triple tracked all the solos: left, right and center.
@@Rand_al_Thor372 well, recording the same guitar part multiple times with the same tone to make that one part sound bigger and fuller is one thing. I think what Butch Vig is referring to here is recording different guitar parts with the same tone.
Dang nothing has ever opened my eyes more to show the amount of work producers put into albums hats off to Butch for producing one of the greatest albums of all time
if u listen to early smells like teen spirit demo u will see the real impact Butch had on whole nevermind. ppl always say how navermind changed the music history, and Butch is the unspoken hero o that story
The impact of Butch's influence in the whole of music in the 90s cannot be overstated.
More Butch and less Trap music please !!!! less Bad Bunny and all that crap for god sake ..
Don’t discount Jack Endino tho, he had prolly a bigger influence
@@SebastianPerezG i’m sure you’ll find it, why put down what others like?
Everyone has already said it, but I gotta double down. Rick, you are going to go down in history as one of the most important historians of rock music. These interviews are priceless. The questions you ask are so precise and beautiful and brings out so many amazing stories and detail. And of course who better than someone who understands and knows the legacy of all these brilliant instruments, tech, and musicology can be the one to make this happen.
Thank you for being awesome and producing this amazing content.
And Butch was fascinating to listen to.
His interviews are really good....I especially like how he doesn't waste anytime with stupid typical drama questions. I know very little about music production, but I can really appreciate the process and it's so nice to hear all the details.
Listening and then asking intelligent and thoughtful questions is difficult - there are many journalists who completely fail at this, Rick gives us a masterclass with Butch.
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I love hearing Butch in interviews, this by far was one of his best sit downs, great job Rick. Butch belongs in the Rock Hall of Fame.
Absolutely he does.....probably more than once....I think the argument could be made for his band to be inducted
Butch is amazing and fun to listen to but Rick knows the amount of questions to ask.
You might wanna look up that 3 hour Jon Savage interview with Nirvana from 2011. Or the Nevermind documentary where he goes more into the details.
Butch said, “Let’s do this again.” Um, yes please. This was so good. Thank you, Rick. No one is doing interviews like this. I don’t play an instrument, let alone record music, but I loved listening to you two talk about recording equipment and instruments. This and the Billy Corgan interview are my favorites from this channel.
It's amazing what all goes on behind the scenes. Most people wouldn't have a clue about what it takes to make a recording. Of course the digital age has made things easier but the analog days of cut and splicing with tape is a whole different ball game. Personally, the analog tape production like the needle piercing the vinyl sounds more organic and that extra work seems to pay off.
We definitely need a “ Part 2”
Loved every second. Butch is such a great interview, patient and loves geeking out
+1 for the "Let's do this again". Rick's interviews are unique.
Butch Vig is pure gold
Rick has, without a doubt, the most essential channel on TH-cam for music fans. Such a treasure trove of interesting stuff.
Listening to Butch speak I get the feeling that being a walking encyclopedia of production knowledge accounts for about half of the success, and the fact that he comes across as someone you would be super comfortable talking to, bouncing ideas off of and working with is also a huge part of it.
Butch is a humble dude and every year (except Covid year) comes back to Madison and does a benefit with local and international musicians for a benefit called Joey's Song. Dude gives back to the community that continues to RESPECT what this man does with music. 23:17 Miking drums. Rock on Butch Vig.
Apparently the other day one of those things that you can get on the couch with your family and friends
Interesting to think that maybe I may have passed by Butch when I was student there. I went through the humanities building just about every day. I also had a few philosophy classes there. It’s an unusual building. The top floors are suspended high above on big pillars.
Look at the bike to get some perspective of the size
I love how Butch still talks about the Nirvana guys like they’re still kids just making good music, not as this band that’s gonna live forever. He has a real love for them
they are just people. Idol worship is shallow.
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But they'll forever have legend status now since Kurt fell into the black river like Layne.
When you've known them before they were rock gods, you know them as just Billy and Kurt. You know who they are before they became what they are.
Because they were just kids… and they were just people. Kurt was 24ish at the time, highly opinionated and kind of difficult. Add in drug addiction affecting his attitude and it’s a cross between producing and babysitting.
cause they just were
Rick - this is the most comprehensive (and personal) interview I’ve ever seen with Butch. For all of us lovers of 90s rock, we’ve pieced together little snippets of his interviews here and there, but your interview beautifully fills in the background color and detail - in a way we’ve always hoped to know and see. Masterful interview, and Butch clearly connected with you. Thank you so much for this. Waiting for part 2 someday….
Yeah, you nailed it. ✌
This was better than any interview I've ever heard between two producers of music can't wait for part 2 thank you Rick for all your efforts there is nobody out there like you
Rick you are literally creating history with your channel. In an era where music is made into cheap fast junk food content and noone cares about the magic of it, you interview legends and create HOPE and INSPIRATION. Thank you! Dont give in to robots and the industry people!
so true brother
Would entirely agree with you, however, I have been looking into some of these AI music creation apps and I got to tell you, it's actually pretty damn good. Now, I don't think it's at the level that we're talking here, you cannot artificially make songs like the one's from Nirvana or the Pumpkins. But we're also just scratching the surface of AI created music. In 5 years, who knows if you could tell the difference between a song made by a human, or an app.
@@valuedhumanoid6574 Musicians will use AI as part of the creative process. Can guarantee if the Beatles were starting out now, they would find a way to use it. They loved all the latest technology. Just hope Paul and Ringo don't use AI John and George now, that would sound horrible😂
@@billa7606 No one has accused him of asking stupid questions. Why would you state something so obvious just out of the blue? Makes no sense.
Amen
The common theme is these guys are mainly self taught. There’s no classes that will replace tenacity & overcoming challenges on your own. What you learn from those challenges is priceless & can’t be planned.
You know the interview went well and there is such great rapport between the two when Butch says "let's do this again". Yes, please!
There’s many Rick interviews begging that part 2
Butch said something like "we barely scratched the surface on some of this" and I was thinking, yeah you just got started on Siamese Dream before skipping off to talk about Garbage
Gadd said the same...and rarely says that
After nearly 2 hours! These producers must get used to long periods doing the same thing..😂
Butch's love for Jimmy's drumming hits me in the feels. I love this, every bit of it.
Butch Vig is such a humble legend and Rick’s natural curiosity and interview style is so on point. I’m in heaven listening to these two guys geek out on 90’s rock nostalgia.
These interviews are gold 🏆 Recorded at Smart a couple of times in the 80s before the big records happened, back when Tar Babies and Killdozer records were the big things on their wall. Butch and Steve Marker are beautiful dudes and it was pure love in that scruffy studio. What a joy to be there with them. Love those guyz they R total working class heroes 🙏
Please, please, please give us a second interview. Butch is an absolute legend and a hero to a lot of us in WI in the 90s.
This!
Hands down one of the best interviews I've watched in my life.. I couldn't stop watching it.. and so many technical details combined with memories of hearing this material on the radio when it was first dominating the airwaves... what a wonderful time where artists/musicians/producers/engineers met with technology to create something so organic and genuine that we don't have in music today
Same with me bro. I have an intractable migraine from my time in the military. It's 0409 here and I really should try to sleep, but eff it. This is great stuff.
Thank you Rick!!!!
Of all the interviews this one is a fast favorite. Butch is great, and such an amicable guy. I loved how they both air drum/ guitar with the songs Rick played. What a unique opportunity to talk to one of the best producers of alternative rock ever. Rick let him talk and Butch stayed on point. Very well done Rick! Love this one!
At 28:whatever, when Rick cues up I Am One, to see Butch instantaneously fall into the groove is so cool. Rick's there as well, as are I imagine thousands of us who watched this and found ourselves back at the first listening, and to some extent every listening since then. Music is magic.
I always enjoyed Inside the Actors Studio but bummed that there was never anything like it for music. Rick - you’re quickly becoming that guy. Someone who can intelligently talk to an artist about things related to the craft is rare. Glad you are doing these interviews!
I love how the early interviews had the guests gradually getting comfortable and candid, and “engaged”, as they realized that Rick was asking great questions, not looking for the usual “gotcha” garbage. Now we see that your guests are looking forward to getting their own great interview, and it’s really entertaining and informative for all of us.
This is the best interview ever for someone who wants to learn how to get these timeless sounds.
A Legend and so humble. What a wealth of memories and recording genius. Great interview! Thank you Rick!
This isn't really an interview, this is a masterclass for any aspiring young people wanting to get into the producing side of the industry and probably just as much as a goldmine for already experienced techs, engineers and producers. Incredible content.
Garbage is one of my favorite bands. Discovered them when my neighbor in the dorms bought their debut album and decided he didn't like them, so he gave me the CD. Must have listened to that on repeat for months.
same here. I'm 37 now and discovered them around 5th grade. seen them twice. they are an all time favorite for me.
I traded my copy of Everclear's cd for Garbage Version 2.0 in 7th grade. I definitely won in that trade.
0:00 The first recording Butch ever did
6:58 First years in the recording studio
14:55 Smashing Pumpkins I
23:05 Drum talk
26:09 Smashing Pumpkins II
28:19 Smashing Pumpkins - I Am One
38:13 Smashing Pumpkins - Daydream
41:44 Kurt Cobain bootlegs himself
45:15 Starting on Nevermind
50:22 Recording Nevermind
56:50 Nirvana - Lithium
1:00:19 Nirvana - In Bloom
1:06:10 Kurt Cobain and The Beatles
1:11:06 Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit I
1:16:49 Nirvana - On A Plain
1:20:27 Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit II
1:24:39 Siamese Dream
1:27:53 Smashing Pumpkins - Cherub Rock
1:32:38 Garbage
1:42:57 Rock will come back to the forefront
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thank you.
King 👑
I liked seeing this. Then I tried to decide where I wanted to go. Then I just decided to listen to it all. 😆👍
@@michaeldalton8374haha exactly
This is the stuff that we want as music fans. The behind-the-scenes stories. The equipment they use. We love the minutiae of making music and suck it up like a sponge. I often recall the most detailed stuff about my favourite records and bands, because if you love music you love music and want to learn. An interview like this might be edited by other youtube streamers but I love that the detail is left in. Thank you so much, Rick! It seems like you know what you would want in a music TH-cam channel and that's what you serve us. It's just beautiful and your heart, it shows. You care. Bravo!
My favorite part of this interview is leading into the chorus of “On A Plain” Butch plays the air drum fill and Rick plays air bass. Love to see two legends acting like 14 year olds!!
I love it that Butch is always able to name song titles, lyrics and fine details like take numbers. Absolutly great guy!
That and his memory for the equipment specifics is astounding.
Song recorders are nerds! they remember!
@@Adefesio94 I'm a nerd but I don't remember things very well, haha. Too much acid in the aughts!
Huge respect for this guy, Butch created 90s rock sound with Gish and later Siamese Dream and Nevermind
The musicians were at least as responsible for that if not moreso. What's clear is that he was the right guy to make it translate and click
Don’t tell Billy Corgan this. 😅
Sonic Youth - Dirty, too.
@@robphegan90 "You stole my guitar sound, motherfucker!" ;)
Killdozer Laughing Hyenas
Hands down one of my favorite producers of all time. His records sound amazing.
One of the coolest things in this interview is where they talk about lining up the next Pumpkins record in the wake of the world changing Nevermind, and how much pressure Butch was under to deliver something equally successful. Normally, there would have been a lot of doubt about anyone being able to pull the same trick again, but in this case the result was an album that was as big, powerful, and successful as it was unique and defining in its own right. Siamese Dream might not have represented the same musical revolution that Nevermind did, but it came as close as anything ever could and was without a doubt one of the most iconic albums of the 90’s.
I think Siamese Dream has yet to get its big moment to shine, and I remember how big it was when it came out. Some kid will discover it in a few years and it'll change the world again
I played Siamese Dream just as much as Nevermind in the day. Iconic.
This was stellar. Butch is a national treasure.
And the best part is his humility....He doesn't even know he's a national treasure...Well put
@@davemarriott9332 It also didn't seem like Rick noticed Butch complementing Rick's work saying, "I am a fan..."
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I have been a formally trained sound engineer for over 22 years, and I have never gleaned so much from an interview as I have with this one. THANK YOU! Vig is my HERO!🙏
this is definitely a longshot but i am 16 and want to be a music producer or sound engineer. i can play guitar and use DAW, what steps should i start taking to become a producer (schooling, knowledge, tips, etc.)
@@kcdw0012 I went to school for sound engineering, but what you need to do more than anything is just start getting your hands dirty. Do TH-cam videos, volunteer at churches to run their sound (most provide free training), if there are recording studios around you, become an intern and work for free and get really good/quality training, start recording and mixing friends for free on your DAW, but most importantly... It's about who you know. 110%! You have to get involved in the business on a personal level, even if you were the best producer in the world, nobody's going to know it if you don't have people sending clients to you. It's about making friends and building your chops at the same time. Be easy to work with and don't have an attitude, even when circumstances might dictate otherwise. When it boils down to it, people want to work with cool people.😎 Lastly, be willing to do whatever it takes to get the job done, even if you don't know how to do something, learn it while in-process, but in order to be a producer, you need to learn all aspects of recording/mixing... At least in my opinion.
With that said, there's been a bit of a mix-up in the language that we use nowadays for "producers". Producers used to be people that could get an album put together from start to finish, and are able to provide good creative input in order to make the best recording possible, while dealing the artists on a personal level. Nowadays, the term producer has been diminished to someone that just sits around making beats and providing artists with material that they can record to. Regardless of how you're using the word, you'll need to figure out what specifically you need to learn in order to accomplish your goal. Butch vig, as seen in this interview, is a tracking and mixing engineer first.... The producer stuff came later. He earned every bit of his success.
Amazing interview. I remember covering On a Plain with My band in the mid 90s. That was my band’s favourite Nirvana track. When Rick said that was his favourite I had a big grin on my face.
No way!! We gotta get Dave Grohl now
YES!
Heck yes!
I'm up for that. I'd imagine he'd be up for it as well given the free time.
@@Masterlessmusic well the foos are starting up again so I don’t think he’s going to be as available
@@alexsmith-rs6zq yeah true, but hopefully down the line sometime Rick can make it happen.
Rick Beato I am so proud we call the same city home. I work in downtown ATL and have been a musician and songwriter damn near my whole life. 38 this year. These interviews have been so crucial in the way of insight into the minds and spirits of some of my absolute favorite Musicians and bands. I've been a subscriber for a long time. Id kill to see you at the Fox. Keep up the good work!
The synchronised head bobbing of these music lovers is epic. Also, given how many times Butch has already listened to these songs during production and since then, he still air drums and air guitars along with it like a proud dad. Supreme interview Rick and Butch.
Its adorable, isn't it!
Good point. You know Butch wore these tracks out mixing them and he still has all the love for these songs. He really appreciates the process as much as a musician playing in the song.
Butch has been one of my favourite people in music for decades. What a rad dude. Thank you so much for this.
This was a great interview! One of my favourite so far on the show. I was low key hoping Rick would have asked Butch Vig about " the theft" of Billy Corgans guitar sound on the Nevermind record claim, from Corgan's interview. It would be interesting to hear the other side of that story.
This has gotta be Rick’s best interview yet! I’m a novice at production but it’s easy to tell that this interview has something to teach producers at every level.
Rick is officially the go to contact if an artist wants to go deep on an interview. This was a great listen, and I am absolutely amazed at Butch's near perfect memory of these sessions.
Honestly, the last time they did that deep dive QA was in the 70s
Your memory reference reminds me of listening to athletes who can, years later, describe in great detail the intricacies of a play or a game. A well-tuned mind can operate way beyond our conscious appreciation of it's capabilities.
To be fair, in the last 30 years, people have probably been asking him every day about the Nevermind recording :)
@@popkorn256 Probably true, but I don't think that explains why he seems to remember every piece of equipment he has owned or used since his very first recording session! :)
@@marceror As a 67 year old recording engineer, I too remember most every piece of gear I've used on most everything! If I can make a suitable comparison...for most 'guys', consider how much you remember about each and every car you've owned, and what you did in said cars! It comes down to the LOVE you have, and hence those memories will stay with you forever!
Great interview. So good!! We need a garbage edition.
Aside from the fact that Butch’s resume and contribution to music is undeniable….his energy, vibe and passion for the music he has been associated with is just so infectious. You can tell how much admiration he has for the artists.
imagine doing siamese dream and nevermind. dude thats like winning the superbowl twice
@@taxationistheft2.0 100% true. Gish as well.
@@TheNadaladaDOTnet facts
We need a show on/with Jimmy Chamberlain...just a monster of a drummer. He deserves more attention. And Rick, this is a phenomenal interview.
What a great way to end your conversation. Two classic gentlemen on top of their respective position in the great world of music, discussing so many things we love to know about. This was what us in the Ironworker's world, we call "Smooth on smooth". A supreme compliment to you both. Thank You Brothers...
Is it me? Or is Butch Vig the most interesting man in the world?
It’s not just you 😊
No, this is fascinating 😮
I thought elliott smith was very interesting
Rick You are Producing Some of the Most Significant/Important Musical History Documents of All Time with Your Heart and Depth of Knowledge...Here is another Example, Butch Vig is Brilliant and You Reflect that Beautifully...Thank You Greatly !!! Cheers AAA
What an awesome interview, its so refreshing when you get someone who knows what they’re talking about asking good questions. This felt more like two old buddies geeking out over old demos than an interview.
One of the producers that actually made a difference in music history.
Hey... I'm the other one... ;)
Honestly quite a few have done so.
It’s a longshot, but my dream is that he interviews Steve Albini
@@caprise-music6722 Or Steve Lilywhite or Brian Eno...
@@caprise-music6722 that could be interesting. Given Steve's hands off approach it could also mean that Rick and Albini would not really connect.
Butch Vig is a genuine genius! His work in Garbage is truly EPIC!
Garbage 2.0 is a top 10 album for me.
Garbage 1.0 is a top 10 for me. 2.0 is a top 100.
I saw them on that tour and that show is one my top favorites and Garbage is my all time favorite band. A perfect example of everything working together as it should. Not a day goes by that I don’t listen to them.
@@austinhunt4260 I loved that first album from Garbage. When I first heard Vow on 120 minutes I was like who the hell is this? There's nothing like hearing and discovering a new band for the first time.
Really enjoying these interviews. The amount of history they are producing are vital to humanity. Oh, and not interrupting is just the chef's 😘. ✌💜
Wow! This was awesome, thank you Rick and Butch!
These interviews are some of my favorite. Rick you do a great job and we get a story of the other side of some of the best music ever made. Thank you
Such an amazing interview, a great insight into the mystical world of production in the late 80’s/ early 90’s. Love the technical aspects, it’s like watching two masters scientists discussing the most technical theory’s like they’re making soup. Totally amazing watch. Thank you Rick 🙏
Gish is absolutely positively my favorite pumpkins album period! I love Siamese dream second and Mellon Collie third. Yeah can’t go wrong with GISH!
I saw the pumpkins on lollapalooza in 94 and loved hearing Gish and Siamese Dream! Both records are pure HEAVEN! Billy, James, Darcy, and Jimmy doesn’t get better than that! I’m not gonna lie: I REALLY MISS DARCY BEING IN THIS BAND 💔 ROCK ON BUTCH VIG!
It's my favorite of SP too
Gish, Siamese Dream, Pisces Iscariot, MellonCollie, The Aeroplane Flies Hight, Adore, Machina and Machina II. Ten years of awesome and great music. This band was pure gold in the 90s. Zeitgeist and Oceania are good albums but not on the same level. When the band broke up in 2000 the magic was gone. And ATUM is the worst Smashing Pumpkins album.
@@amremorse I totally agree about click track recording and excessive ProTools editing. That's why nowdays they sound so much better live.
These interviews are not only amazing, but they must be preserved. These are going to become historical for the next generations to gain knowledge. And that is why Rick's effort must be applauded. He is literally carrying the torch. Protect Rick Beato at all costs.
You know, all of these people have been interviewed before. There are countless books and magazines where these guys have talked about their profession. "Behind the Glass" is a great one. "All You need is Ears". Mix Magazine interviewed top pros for years, as did Sound on Sound and Recording magazines.
Yes. Yea. Yes.
But next generations wont care. Its all about MP3 files, etc... these days. No one cares about analog these days.
@@johnwelsh2769 how accessible are they, though? I could not find "Behind the Glass" available online.
I have piles and boxes of those magazines, and those books. I prefer to listen to these interviews.These are INFINITELY better for me because I learn their personality, feel their passion, hear them laugh!
This interview is so good and it's such a joy to hear more than 3 second clips due to youtube weirdness.
Looking forward for part 2 of this interview! Please Rick and Butch, make it happen. I could have listened for another 3 hours. So great!
There's a video out about the making of Nevermind and when Butch talked about how he recorded Something In The Way, that's when I knew he was one of the Masters. That is one of the most haunting, mellow, laidback tracks of all time. Very Pink Floyd-ish. An amazing producer.
Fml… I could listen to Rick interview all these 90s bands and producers all day! During the 90s it was hard to comprehend how impactful the grunge and rock scene would be, I never thought it would take on an eternal form and last forever. As a musician, it’s the best channel to watch and hear all about the equipment used!
So awesome! Absolutely loved this interview. Nothing better than talking about great albums/songs and how they were made! 🤟😝
Wether Rick knows it or not he has left his mark in music and on future generations with his content and this interviews. Thank you, Rick.
I saw that this was a nearly two-hour video, and I wasn't sure that I would watch it all the way through. Not only did I watch it in its entirety, but I am now recommending it to others. Phenomenal interview.
This is a masterclass. Thank you Rick for your immeasurable contribution to music and its history!
agreed !
I was 13 when Nervermind came out. This band was my life. And in 91, you couldn't have any answers to the questions that you had. This is GOLD.
I was a few years younger and I remember playing Nevermind for the first time on my cousin’s CD player and it blew my mind.
We're probably about the same age. I was also 13. Changed my life!
I was 13 also. I remember walking to the tennis court for gym class listening to my yellow Walkman when I first heard Nirvana and it blew my mind.
I was 12. I remember watching best music videos of the year marathon. Smells Like Teen Spirit was #1. I hurt my neck in celebratory head banging
I was 12 yrs old starting high school... Back then you could rent tape cassette at th library and I had to use mom's stereo to record my copy tape... Will always remember her expressions when the album started playing... Confusion, surprise, interrogation, amused... I loved becoming a teen in the 90's!
Fantastic interview. It was great to hear in detail how the songs you discussed were put together. I'm a huge fan of Garbage as well so it was nice to hear you touch on that aspect of Butch's career.
Every time I think Rick Beato can’t get any better, something like this comes along. Truly amazing to see these long form interviews
I loved loved loved every second of this interview. What a legend Butch is, and thank you Rick for bringing us an amazing history lesson. Being 20 in 1990 I was at the right age to appreciate the massive change this music brought about after suffering years of the Stock, Aitken and Waterman sound, and the hair bands that had become pretty stale. Butch was so pivotal to that change. To hear him tell his story is a real privilege.
I've been re-watching Rick's interviews, they are so full of fun trivia, music knowledge, history and amazing stories! I have said the following after every interview: "That was the best interview yet!" They are all so great! 👍
Through the history of man, pre current media outlets, one of the main/most important person in the tribe was the story teller. This was how the history and sustaining of the tribes traditions survived. Rick is our guy!
As always, JD
I appreciate that both Rich and Butch can explain the terms for casual watchers who might not know how recording music works.
I have to say, watching Butch air drum to Jimmy Chamberlain, like I have a million and a half times, made my week. Great interview. Thank you, Rick and Butch!
Does this mean we're a step closer to getting Brendan O' Brien out of the woods for an interview?
Yes yes yes that finally happened
I love this man’s sound. Butch Vig is a super powered producer!
One thing I really love about all these amazing interviews is that almost all of the greats of music history are really down to earth. Thats something to think about and to learn from. Thank you so much Rick and Butch❤!
"D J Khaled!"
the success of Nick on this interviews, is that artist and producers recognize Nicks professionalism, that makes them relaxed, capable of expressing and geek out with out effort knowing they are being listen, amazing interview wow!!
This interview along with the Corgan interview is key 🔑 These are the answers to questions we’ve been wanting to know for years and so much information has been clouded in mystery or has been misinterpreted along the way. Having these videos and interviews is really a tremendous treat after so many years. Thank you so much Rick!
+the Krist interview ... and wouldn't it be amazing if Rick could get Dave Grohl along one day ...
You make it sound like he's discussing Akashic Records.
He's literally just chatting with friends.
What makes Rick great is that people like me, who know hardly anything about music production or engineering, can be completely engrossed in listening to the recording processes.
Rick, you're a complete legend. These albums I've listened to thousands of times. Hearing about them being made is completely amazing.
Wow that is a great compliment. Engineers can often get very technical and nerdy.
Right! Now idea what you're talking about, but it's fascinating.
This content is something I enjoy even more than mainstream movies. Butch Vig's history is so fascinating, can't believe all the amazing talented genius people you get on here.
I wish we could have had more of a deep dive into Siamese Dream. I feel like that album is the pinnacle of creativity for the both of them
No matter how high the level of fame or the legendary status of the guests, Rick simply brings the musicians out of them and somehow the 'celebrity' side resides. I think that is the greatest achievement of this channel.
Because Rick is a musician interviewing musicians for a channel watched by musicians… wonderful
@@leomonster1973 precisely!
Agreed. But to be fair, Butch Vig is a super down to Earth dude. If you had posted this on the Billy Corgan interview though….
@@Tyrannosaurine that is a fair observation, indeed. I guess it's been accumulated and I just found the realization here : )
He sat down and said "Rick I am a big fan of your channel". How cool was that.
One of the wonderful things about Rick as an interviewer is how he injects his knowledge of the topic in his questions to spur very interesting and expansive responses without resorting to talking about his own substantial experience in the subject.
I’ve been waiting for this interview for a while! Awesome to finally have Butch along.
This is an epic interview.
A music critic once called Garbage, "Shirley Manson with a bunch of plumbers." LOL. Obviously, he was making fun of their look and not their music. Butch Is a legend. He doesn't get the credit he deserves.
@@piteusx8440 Agree, both as a musician and as a producer. Friggin’ genius.
I remember hearing cherub rock for the first time driving in my car and couldn't believe the sonic quality of it. I love Garbage and of course the first time hearing Teen Spirit in my brother's car is something I'll never forget. Butch is a true talent.
Fascinating interview Rick. Butch gives such a wealth of knowledge here. Cheers!!
I loved this. Coming from Madison, we are so proud of Butch and how he put the city on the rock n roll map. Love how he made himself into a great producer.
Wow, I'm glad Rick is getting the recognition he deserves with these Superstar interviews!
It’s amazing how many of these guys and gals are fans
WOW! What a ride! Another Outstanding Interview! Thank You Butch for Sharing and Thank You Rick for the Deep dive... Simply Loved It!
Let's not wait too long to get Butch back. This was one of the best interviews I have seen in a long time, anywhere.
I've loved everything Butch has done over the years. Gish and Siamese Dream are amazing records, as is Nevermind. I'm a huge Garbage fan as well. Thank you Butch!
I remember playing Gran Tourismo 2 and hearing that Garbage track over and over again. I liked it, so I dug a little and was shocked that one of the band members had produced Nevermind!
what a great interview with one of the most influential producers of our time. bravo.
On ‘In Bloom’ those drum hooks they’re talking about were actually done by Chad Channing on the original Smart Studio version first. Dave was pretty much just recreating what was on that version. Just to give credit where it’s due.
I like what Butch Vig said at the end when he admitted that he was a pop geek and loved listening to the Carpenters. In my opinion, to really love music, one would have to be open to all kinds.
Yeah... and Rick Beato did a Carpenters video 5 months ago that I just watched this past weekend! Then I read tonight on Wikipedia where Butch described "You Look So Fine" citing its "Carpenters doing Sonic Youth quality".
I literally learned to make records from his breakdowns on the Classic Albums - Nevermind episode back in 2004.
Butch is not only a legendary producer and musician. His phenomenally detailed memory of recording and engineering tales from sessions held over two decades ago is endlessly mesmerizing. Not to mention, Rick's questions and commentary are so pertectly on point, I could listen to many more hours of just the two of them talking.
This is a GREAT interview. I love the recording/mixing/engineering side almost as much as the songwriting/performing side of things, so listening to Butch talk is awesome.