Why I Don't Use Gore-Tex Footwear
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- 00:00 Hey y’all
00:12 What is Gore-tex
01:05 My Experience with Gore-tex
02:03 Issues
02:13 Sweaty
02:59 Rain
03:46 Water Crossings
05:59 Snow
06:23 Some things to Consider
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In 15 years of backpacking I have had wet feet only once with my gortex boots. The key is to wear gortex gaiters, and in a rain storm wear rain pants OVER the gaiters so the water runs from pants onto gaiters onto boots and never flows under any of the layers. The photo of rain pants and gaiters in the video has them layered wrong and is exactly how I got wet feet the one time I did. Your tread will always wear out before the gortex lining if you take care of your footwear properly and clean them up before storage. Here in the Canadian Rockies it doesn’t get hot enough during the day to dry out wet gear, and temps can drop 25 degrees during a storm, dumping snow on you in July. If you don’t stay dry then hypothermia is a real risk.
Excellent advice. I always chuckle when I see people with waterproof trousers tucked into their wellies! It's the same concept, water should run down and off. Unless of course the rain is sideways or bouncing so hard off the ground it goes back up you leg! 😂
How about when u need to cross a river? Do you remove your shoes?
Okay, so explain this, why do you need GTX boots? The gaiters are the answer , right?
Yeah but then you are hiking in rain pants...which brings its own flavor of 'suck'. I think a lot of folks here don't get the long distance trail hiking thing, which is walking walking walking big miles every day regardless of the weather. Different than doing other things outside, going for a day hike or weekend backpacking or whatever. It's like working out in the gym ten hours a day straight for a week but out in the weather the whole time. A lot of folks are not going to want to work out in rain pants for ten hours straight...regardless of the temperature outside.
@icecool1616 why?
I am with Goretex + wool combo for the past 40 years. My average hiking year is about 200 days a year (working as a geographer), mostly off the beaten tracks. In the summertime, the morning grass, even the forecast is dry weather is always wet and I can't imagine starting my hike with the wet soaked boots. When my plan is to cross the brooks then I have the additional amphibia neoprene boots but in most cases the Goretex boots are fine. For the muddy and high grass terrain, I use the Aigle Vario Neoprene boots, which are warming my feet even walking in deep freezing water.
U have my dreamjob!
@@Mister.Meeseeks Well,... the grass is not always greener on the other side of the fence. It is a hard work, I am getting older and it is not fun carrying 25 kg backpack almost on a daily basis. But I enjoy my work knowing that geographic locations which were hard to access were documented and are available with virtual reality for people with limited mobility.
@@mojaslovenija9903 When ur stuck in a office as city official, u crave for physical jobs and be outdoors, and avoid most ppl.
Just a hint regarding virtual reality and why I am so much with the fieldwork. Everybody is familiar with Skype butless people know its origin from Estonia, similar is with Google Street View... the idea predestor, City View (my idea and project) is from small EU country Slovenia, starting in 1993, and since then I am documenting extreme locations, not to make bussines but to help people with limized mobility to experience geographic locations (typing this from 1800 m altitude from snowy Alps)
So u work as a geographer for Google street view? Wow.
Gore tex is a must have for all hiking footwear that I have. Hiking in wet shoes can quickly ruin your day and produce blisters. You can avoid the issue you mentioned of water coming in the top by wearing rain pants during substantial rain. This is the system I have successfully used for many years.
Same .. I don't see the point of this video .
@@siaraddy7219 maybe try to watch it before posting, she is right you know. at least for me, i had the same experience.
I mean unless u want to race goretex are best choice. I run with Salomon goretex trainer on winter with snow and i think this is a must. Even on summer i use it cuz i run on mountain and we never go up to 25°c so they never give me problem and if it rain im prepared. Don't use goretex only if u a pro runner or running in hot places👍
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@@brushem5489 And that's where the problem lies. I have owned many gore tex shoes throughout the years and I can assure you that there is nothing like a good high quality leather shoes. Gore tex is very good for very mild conditions according to my experience, but if it becomes too cold or too hot, it just acts like a layer of plastic. It is only supposed to let natural perspiration of your skin through so sweat or any other water stays in.
Goretex works well in lower temperatures, because it works by temperature differential the heat from the foot drives moisture out through the semi permeable membrane, if the temp on the other side of the membrane is closer to body temp the less efficient the process and the sweatier the feet will get. So the colder, well down to a few degrees below freezing, the better for goretex.
Aah cool!
Hi! Are these shoes suitable for winter weather in urban conditions? I am gonna buy the light version like Caribe GTX
Should be. Works great in cooler conditions.
@@uilleachan ok, thank you
Over 40+ years of mountaineering, backpacking and hiking all over creation, and almost half that much as a guide, Gore-tex is still the pinnacle of linings for waterproof footwear IMO. I've tried other waterproof breathable membranes in boots and shoes and while some come close, Gore-tex is still the best, especially for long-term durability. Their liner will literally save you getting wet feet that can lead to frostbite and hasten hypothermia, particularly in intense Winter conditions or drastic turns in weather.
Water doesn't permeate Gore-tex membranes from the outside unless they're perforated - it's why they still use the "Guaranteed to Keep You Dry" label. If the shoe manufacturer doesn't put it into their shoes properly, especially wrapping it under the midsole, leaks will occur, that's not the membrane's fault, but the manufacturer's - Merrell for example is notorious for doing sloppy installs of Gore-tex liners and thus having leaking boots.
It's also important to distinguish between the outer material being penetrated by water (i.e. absorbing and holding it) and the actual membrane allowing water through. Lots of people mistake the prior for the latter and thus errantly blame the liner, when it's not the source of the problem.
Nothing with a waterproof/breathable liner is going to completely expel sweat fast, no matter how good it is, especially in intense and/or continuous physical activity, like a non-waterproof shoe will. You're trading off some measure of sweat expulsion for preventing your feet from getting soaked from the outside, on top of having sweaty feet.
Gore-tex does a decent job of moving sweat, but works best if you wear a good outer sock and a liner, that helps the process, which also cushioning your Achilles and should also prevent strains or rubbing like you experienced. The boots will dry when you take them off to air out, particularly if you wear the two-sock combo.
Hotter weather will naturally make the process of moving sweat harder for any waterproof/breathable membrane. And you shouldn't have issues with bacterial buildup if you're both wearing the double sock combo and also practicing good foot care, which includes routinely airing your socks out, swapping them regularly for another set and washing them if you're out in the backcountry for protracted periods.
Your feet will flood regardless of what you're wearing if the water exceeds the height of your shoe, especially if you're not wearing gaiters, it's the reality of physics.
Finally, you make think you're doing yourself a favor by wearing trail runners to hike in, but over the long term you're hastening the cumulative damage to your body by causing excess impact and strain on your feet, ankles, knees, and hips, and increasing the likelihood you'll sustain injury along the way. This is particularly true if you hike lots of mile and/or carry sizable loads. Boots are designed for this better than trail runners are.
Saving the weight by using trail runners may facilitate hiking a little quicker in the immediate term on individual hikes, but if you plan to hike for years/decades to come and want to maintain optimum body health over that duration, your body will thank you more if you wear boots. Boots are particularly more valuable on descents because they handle your body and equipment load much better than trail runners will, especially minimizing fatigue and decreasing the risk of injury.
I've lost track of how many rescues I've done over the years of people who've damaged ankles and knees hiking with loads above 20lb while using trail runners. Plus they make a huge difference in handling more technical terrain than trail runners can hope to.
i was looking for a real man to correct the misinformation, thank you sir
Well done
Exactly. I hope people aren't overly influenced by this (no offence to her). Amateur "hiker". Goretex and boots are a MUST if you are looking at doing mixed terrain long distance hikes especially multi-day
Also the gains in speed from trail runners are quite frankly negligible if you're carrying weight and travelling a long distance.
Remember people. You're walking, not running. That's why ultra trail runners have ultra light running packs. Also running gait (which is what trail runners are designed for) is completely different to walking gait.
I guess you are right on Merrell lousy job....I was walking in thunderstorm and in 10min had shoes full of water coming through the front over my fingers. Totaly not waterproof at all. Berraly water resistance since I felt wetness after stepping into water just for few secconds...
Having gone through many different shoes over the years, I must say that I disagree on several points:
- even with correct feet hygen bacteria build up in some Goretex shoes is just unavoidable in hot and humid climate such as Japan where I hike most of the time, and they become very quickly very smelly,
- in those conditions feet get wet every single time in Goretex shoes due to sweat being trapped, just as wet as they would from rain and it takes forever to dry, basically never while in use and more than 24h after stopping,
- there are some trail running shoes with better cushioning than heavier hiking boots so the latter will actually result in worse knee damage and the heavier shoes will result everything else being equal is more tired legs that are likely to cause a small mistake which may result in an ankle injury. Many trails in Japan require constant attention, every step poses a real risk of injured ankle. It's just miles and miles of loose stones, often slippery.
Currently I still use Salomon XA Goretex trail running shoes when the forecast is very likely rainy but I am gravitating more and more towards my Arcteryx non Goretex shoes and consistently come out of the non Goretex hikes with feet in better condition.
Writing from Norway where I’m and Outdoor educator working in the field daily and all seasons. My experience with gore-Tex is both positive and negative. Mostly positive. I think the negative experiences were based more on the construction of the gear rather than the goretex material itself. Also, socks REALLY matter. Wool socks + goretex shoes, jacket , pants whatever is a winning combo IF the gear is constructed properly. I literally wear the same gear with wool socks in Norwegian winter or hiking in south Florida (minus long underwear).
Agree that socks really matter. I used to wear cheap socks and was genuinely shocked at the difference when I got an expensive pair as a gift. A lot of cheap socks went in the bin very soon afterwards!
A lot like you, here in Sweden, I too wear the same wool socks whether it's -20 or +30 on my hikes (although I do usually wash them in between!)
Wool socks, absolutely!
I guess there are different levels of water proofing on Gore-tex shoes. Maybe $300+ shoes get the real deal, and everything cheaper only get the Gore-Tex tag.
love from Norway :x
@@scratchy996 You are right. The membrane is made to be glued inside the shoe or boot on specific spots. What cheaper build brands do is they apply glue all-over so they block the sweat evacuation properties.
Hi, thanks for the video, but I have a couple of questions since I'm looking into switching from Boots to something lighter. I apologize in advance if you have gotten this questions loads of times already. A lot of trail runners enthousiasts on TH-cam keep saying water will get in through the big hole in the shoe where your foot goes in. Should I assume you never wear waterproof overtrousers that also cover that hole? And I wonder how you deal with multiple rainy and all around damp days in succession where the trail runners also don't really get a chance to dry out overnight? Do you just slip into wet ones in the morning and hike on? And how do you keep your feet warm around camp at night? Hope to hear soon! Thanks!
I LOVE Gore Tex in my boots and trail shoes, especially here in the soggy Southeast. Fortunately my feet don't sweat much even with the Gore Tex liners. Different strokes for different folks. I recommend everyone try out options to see what works for them.
Am I the only one who absolutely loves my high ankle, gortex boots xD I've worn them from 115 degree days in summer to snow and ice in the negatives...and I love 'em.
PompTheMoose That’s great! I’m glad they work well for you.
Some ppl juat have super sweaty feet.
PompTheMoose I do too! They dried just as fast as my trail runner friends too.
Totally agree........I think some people just have super sweaty feet. My friend has issues with her feet sweating a lot. I don't have issues like this with my Gortex boots
at all.
U cray cray. My GTX boots are miraculous compared to any other boot I've ever owned.
"I haven't actually tested, but i will talk about it like a have experience on it"
That's a trustworthy review right there
She did test a pair of gore-tex trail runners and nowhere does her video mention it's an actual review. She's just voicing her opinion that it didn't work for her style of hiking.
@@raymondayeung "...and finally, something that I find worrisome, that you know, *I haven't actually tested for myself, because I got rid of the Gore-Tex shoes before their life ran out. But I feel like* the Gore-Tex material is eventually going to be compromised after some wear and tear..."
She voiced an opinion that she has no direct knowledge of, just simply *feels* like is true, per her own words. She did not test.
I've worn Gore-Tex for many, many years in the military and it has stood up to very long periods of abuse and still worked fine, as long as you know how to wear it properly.
@@Pavewy If it bothers you, then don't follow her channel! Plain and simple. Go look for objective reviews instead since she made it clear it's just her own personal experiences and opinion.
She literally talked about her experience using GORE-TEX but hey, you do you. The part she didn't test was the long-term wear. GORE-TEX holds up to long-term wear nicely but she has good points about everything else. You do long hikes your feet are getting wet regardless of the material. May as well get something that is easy to dry out fast.
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Rather have damp feet than soaking wet socks slushing around inside my boots, after stepping in a puddle.
Paired with merino wool blend (0 cotton tho) socks and you are rain safe.
Solution : Gore-Tex socks!!! 🙂
Every hiker I own is gore-tex and paired up with appropriate wool socks that keep air flow within the shoes, i’ve never had any issues in hot or cold conditions. Everyone’s different and finding what works for you may not work for someone else.
I used to work in the industry so I just wanted to note that gore-tex works off of the principals of pores since both the membrane and the fabrics that sandwich the membrane are incredibly porous. if pores become clogged from dirt, mud, slime etc, they don’t permeate (breathe). this applies to all gore-tex, even jackets. they are finicky textiles to work with and require a lot of maintenance which most people do not know or bother. People are always amazed by the capabilities of gore-tex when they see water slip right off their jackets but if they understood the care involved to maintain that performance, it’d easily turn people away.
You are spot on, my man. Gore-Tex MUST BE MAINTAINED. Gore Tex works well in moist and humid conditions when it's raining. In these situations you will be sweating and get soaking wet from the inside out. Gore Tex will WICK YOUR SWEAT AWAY. Sweat is salty and full of out chemicals your body is getting rid of. This will sooner or later CLOG UP THE GORE TEX WICKING. A GOOD WASH AND DRY, it's as good as new.
I've been wearing Gore Tex most of my life. The most important thing to consider when wearing any footwear is what you wear between your boot and your feet. I find that the "Technical" sock are the worst. And do you wear 1 sock or 2? I've worn 2 wool socks every day for the last 25 yrs. Summer or winter, doesn't matter. With the technical socks, my feet sweat more, stink more, and just feel uncomfortable. I've worked outside all my life and mother natures wool is the only way to go.
I love merino wool socks with my goretex shoe, some water always makes it in, even if just a little, and merino wool retains most insulation while wet and dries quickly. A good combo
Cotton socks is the worst, it sucks all the moist in. Wool is indeed a very good material.
I find any plastic socks or shirts are horrible for hiking in general, regardless of being "technical" or whatever.
3 socks are even better
@@sdriza I personally use 18 then I don't need boots and it feels so nice and bouncy, you should try yoy will never go back. Boots are overrated!
I've had some Gore-Tex boots that were worthless in keeping feet dry, others great. My feet don't sweat much so I don't find too many negative issues with Gore Tex. Two big lessons I've learned over the years is to wear a liner sock, and then a wool sock over the liner sock. This was HUGE in eliminating blisters or chafing. If there is any friction it will be between the socks and not your foot. The second lesson is use that downward angle board when testing out boots in the store. Make sure your toes are not able to touch the front of your boot. Lost my big toe toenail the first time I climbed Mt. Whitney.
Are the liner socks made from merino wool also? We are planning our first Camino in September, and I bought waterproof Merrill’s, but I am concerned about blisters. I am a regular walker, but have never done a hike like this before, and there so many conflicting opinions about waterproof shoes. The Camino, from what I understand is not a trail where you would have to cross a river, but I think there will be a fair amount of rain. I will be taking trail sandals also. Thanks for your advise
Having been in the mountains for over 60 years and still am. I would challenge any body who would tell me that this or that product will keep you dry. I have had the best gear available, including gaiters. and when you are on the 'tops' in driving rain, swirling winds there is nothing that will keep you dry on foot or body. The only dry things are in the centre of my pack ( sleeping bag etc). If the rain doesn't get you the sweat will. Cheers from NZ
Exactly!
I agree. With the sweat but particularly. When you are working or just being very active, more ‘protection’ is more gear, wearing more gear is more perspiration, regardless of the temperature. My best defense has been rotating my socks, generally wool
Definitely agree that if you are doing creek crossings then you want something that drains the water and dries out quickly. Waterproof boots are best for when walking through wet grass and with gaiters in the rain. But not for actually submersion unless its very shallow and doesnt get into the shoe.
"Today I want to talk to you about why I don't fool with goretex trail runners"
Shows clip of walking knee deep in a river
I..I think I know what your problem is
It is a valid point. Gortex is fine in certain environments (snow, light showers), it's fine if you are going out for less than 24 hours, but for longer trips or torrential rain it wouldn't work out. It certainly wouldn't work out in a jungle where river crossings are inevitable. When Goretex boots get soaked its not gonna dry at all. In that respect, since you're feet will be getting wet anyway, it's better to get something that dries VS something that won't dry once wet.
@@Tremulousnut it also depends on what type of shoe it is. She says she doesn't like boots and only trail runners, and also doesn't wear any pants over her shoes. So of course rain is going to get inside the shoe and remain wet.
@@Tremulousnut I've had gore-tex boots by the northface before and it got submerged in water then i got dried after a while
That was her point. She can wear a non-goretex shoe into the water, because they dry out so quickly. Goretex shoes have to be taken off for each water crossing, because they take too long to dry out.
@@cabana123 I highly doubt it's any quicker, most shoes stay soaked for awhile unless you throw em in a dryer and turn it up as high as possible
I'm so glad you put that Seinfeld clip in there
I guess by all the comments , I'm one of the rarities who likes and swears by gore tex. Being from Washington I have used everything gore tex , boots ,socks , pants and jacket oh also gaiters. My feet are always dry as the water doesn't run down the cuffs into the boot. Last week in 22 degrees and 10 inches of snow I wore a pair of women's med weight leggings with my women's gore tex pants ( I'm skinny ) a thermal top , woolrich fleece and my g-t jacket and was comfortable warm and dry , whether if I was walking or standing around with the wind and snow blowing. My boots are only 8 months old but my pants and jacket are almost 25 years old and are still working.
Willard Wooten I like when folks of all opinions share their experience! Thank you for the comment!
25 years ago, all the mountain leaders I knew were saying that Gore Tex only lasted a season, before the membrane started to break down and was next to useless! Maybe that was a UK problem, as it's probably warmer and wetter here? Great job on keeping anything working for that long though! 👍🏻
@@scotttalbot4041 Hey Scott my boots never last a year as I am hard on foot wear . As for my pants and jacket being that old, I wore them under my Cardhartt as I was in a mill cutting wood at 600am in the rain ,snow and what every mother nature threw. The pants are still water proof but the jacket does get wet on the shoulder and mid back even wet they still keep me warm . But for the rain here in Washington I do have a nice pair of Grunden's .
I like them too! Call me crazy. But I do love Gore-tex shoes. Just have to have the right socks with them when it's hot.
@@Adrienne0010 what are the best socks with them?
Love the covered bridge filming location!!!
I have only used Altra trail runners the last couple of years hiking and I love them during the summer hiking season! BUT since I spend all year outside, I am now tired of having soaked and cold feet the second I go outside for a walk and the grass is a little wet. I got some gore-tex shoes that I use in the fall for shorter walks and day hikes and for that - they are great! They keep out the water just in time for me to come home again. But for summer hikes I will still use my normal ventilated trailrunners!
Have worn leather boots, for the past 70 years, when hiking with dry and wet conditions, crossing streams, snow, etc and have never had a problem.
It entirely depends on what type of expedition you're doing and where. Also choosing the right socks is crucially important. Also who doesn't pack rain pants?
I was actually wondering this too. I always wear wool socks when hiking because they dry quickly and stay warm even when soaking wet, but when I'm walking/jogging around home, I usually wear cotton socks and my god, they're horrible when wet!
I personally have always preferred wearing sport material that gets wet and dries quickly, than waterproof gear. I only like waterproof materials for snow.
I agree, the situation matters. Same for socks. My personal favorites for many hikes are Thorlo combat socks. I never bring rain pants, though. My poncho is quality and works as my shelter saving a lot of weight. Only my lower legs get wet. My pants dry fast, and the legs unzip, so I'm good when I get to camp.
@@caripage9327 Try a pair of Thorlo combat socks. They have differend zones weaved in, padding on heels and the balls of your feet, tight support around the arch, padded Achilles heel, great elastic to hold them up, and they last for years. No, I am not affiliated with them, I just found them to be the best socks for backpacking.
Rain pants are stupid and a waste.
Dixy I totaly agree with you. I work on the principle no matter what you wear on your body you will get wet. I now focus on light wieght kit that drys quickly. I live and walk in Scotland so I am familiar with cold and wet.
I found GoreTex boots on feet and non-GoreTex trail runner on backpack is a pretty good combination for FL, especially for fall. FL tends to have the beautiful morning mist during fall, which can be quite heavy for real. All grass is wet. 3 to 5 miles later, your socks will be wet too. Since the grass is still wet, your shoes won't even start to dry until late noon. So GoreTex boots are pretty essential in this setup.
But you are absolutely right. Once it got wet from the top, that thing is basic a fish tank. It could be days before it dries out.
I love Goretex. Ive been hiking for decades in the UK wet climate. I've found that wearing merino wool socks with them is the perfect combination. I dont do river crossings very often, but wet grass and mud its great. I hike my dog daily in them in all weather's and I'm a great fan!
I'm from Ireland and use the same set up and honestly the only time my gore tex boots ever got wet was when I went up to my knee in a bog hole.
@@Slenderman12342 same here. And with merino socks I was still warm once I rinsed them out
@@sdemosi merino wool is honestly a god send on cold and wet days
Thanks Dixie for the video! I never considered these issues with gore tex on the feet. I've been having a lot of foot and knee pain keeping me off the trails the way I'd like to be, so Im gonna be doing a lot of experimentation with shoes and insoles to find what's right for me.
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First thing I notice is that footwear full of water is heavy.
Leather boots with mud stuck all over them is really heavy, as well.
So what should I purchase if we will be hiking 22 miles, through 8 water crossings, wearing shorts, during 90 degree days and 60 degree nights?
Have you tried Goretex socks with vented shoes? They are I think the best compromise.
Thanks for sharing this video, I thought it was only me having the same issue. After many years of trail running lessons, I figured out the answer is "right tool for the right job". It depends on climate and purposes of activity. In my experience, It is a disaster to wear waterproof fabric on the hot and humid trails even with minor sweat. But these fabric can be foot saver on snowy mountain trail running.
Have you tried sealskinz (socks)? It's an attachable membrane when you need it ;)
Waterproof socks work great for me. Add only when i need and works with any shoe, quick to dry and allows fully ventilated shoe and dry feet for the lions share of hiking.
Great clip, and glad to've discovered this channel for even more hiking content, thank you! Greetings from a small mountain town in Austria
thanks for the vids, always appreciate the information.
Great points and a helpful video. Both have their place. For the conditions and reasons Dixie describes, the non-Gortex is a better option. However, when I am doing a weekend hike or hunting and walking in mud or snow, and ankle deep puddles & creeks, my Gortex boots keep my feet completely dry in situations where cold wet feet would be a game ender.
Sure, it's a no brainer in cold and wet conditions
Agree, although you can hardly buy non gore-tex boots, these days. My problem with daily dog walks is sandy conditions will compromise the gore-tex liner in next to no time with a fabric boot or shoe. So, for dog walking, gore-tex lined leather boots, and for hills and trails either wax treated leather boots or trail runners depending upon terrain and load.
Very helpful information. Thank you
Great high quality information - as usual. Thank you!!!
While I have not been a long distance hiker, I am a hunter and have worked with SAR teams. Because of my experience with cold, wet, mud and snow the Gore-Tex boots are essential for those conditions. Keeping the feet warm and dry are vital in those conditions. They will reduce or prevent cold injuries to the feet. My feet have stayed dry and have not had issues in the winter weather conditions.
On the Appalachian Trail, give it a week during an average hiking season, and your feet will get wet. If you have the luxury of getting inside under cover every few days, you can dry everything out, including the inside of your Gore-Tex boots. Gore-Tex breathes best when it is cold and dry. The more humid it is outside, the lower the water vapor tranpiration rate, in other words, when it is warm and humid you will get sweaty feet. In addition, salt on the surface of Gore-Tex membrane draws water through the pores. That's why, in a high salt environment (sweaty feet), Gore uses a version of the membrane which is heavily coated with polyurethane, which is, by nature, impervious to water. In essence, Gore-Tex footwear is pretty much non-breathable. If you wear it, and your feet are not sweaty, it's mostly the motion of walking that pumps the moist air out of the shoe or boot. Footwear manufacturers call this the "bellows effect". I do snow removal and wear completely waterproof Sorel boots. My socks (mostly wool) will be damp at the end of the day. They go in the wash while the boot liners dry. If I had to walk mile after mile, day after day in wet conditions, my feet would be one big blister. Gore-Tex for winter? Sure. If you can dry them every couple of days, sure. If the membrane is in a high boot, sure. For a wet daily run on paved streets, sure. For me, during a long hike when no snow is on the ground, give me low cut shoes with breathable gaiters, and a pair of waterproof socks for protracted rain or a surprise snowfall. Btw, for waterproof footwear to work in protracted rain, it is essential that you wear rain pants and a rain jacket, otherwise, the water will simply run down your legs and soak your socks...
I find that on a dry day, the damp sweaty air on the inside will breathe into the dry air on the outside, resulting in dry feet etc.
But on a wet day, the air on the inside is again damp and sweaty but this time the air on the outside is also wet and humid so it has nowhere to breathe to. So you end up wet anyway - just from sweat not from the outside.
Does this mean it's pointless then? As you're going to end up wet anyway - either from the inside or the outside.
Not quite. The dampness on the inside comes from your body - which is hot, whereas if you wear none-waterproofs the dampness comes from the outside (rain/snow) - which is cold. So damp sweaty footwear, although not as effective as when it's dry obviously, because it traps that warm water on the inside, is still a lot warmer than footwear which is constantly exchanging the warm water on the inside with cold water from the outside.
It's not quite the same but similar to the effect of a wetsuit in the sea. Contratry to a popular myth, it's not trapping the layer of water that keeps you warm, it's actually the microscopic air pockets inside the neoprene that provide the insulation; but where that myth comes from is that if your wetstuit is loose, it is constantly exchanging warm water on the inside with cold water from the outside. Whereas a tight wetsuit, although it gets wet on the inside, that water warms up and is trapped there, so despite not contributing to your insulation, it doesn't make you much colder either.
So yes I'd agree that in summer probably better off without goretex - where warmth isn't a significant factor (often the opposite and you have difficulty keeping cool) and your gear dries out quickly; whereas in winter you're better with a waterproof layer as even if your feet get wet from sweat at least it prevents the cold water (inc melted snow) from getting in.
Born to roam. Some 50 years ago I remember just sitting in school dripping with sweat while everyone else had dry 'pits.' My socks would be saturated and the simple leather boots would show the water level of my body. Years later, after wearing scores of different styles and brands, I came across a boot that comprised of most everything I had thought a boot should have and perform like. From the first tug of the lace it felt like a favorite pair of gloves. I went directly to a long awaited excursion and began the maiden trek. The first break brought anticipation of how my 'always soaked socks' classic scenario would pan out. To my surprise, there was a moisture line on my socks that s t o p p e d at the top of my boot. I always would have to change socks mid trip to stay in some semblance of comfort and dryness. When I pulled my boot off I couldn't believe what I saw, from my ankle to my toes it was completely dry. Not just 'not soaked,' or 'somewhat saturated,' or even 'slightly damp' but d r y. Solid leather, no venting or fabric air control sections except for the micro holes at the top of the ankle padding. Might I add that Gore-Tex has, for quite some time, been a must have in all my outdoor wear. From top to bottom. What I will say, is that even though I have found footwear that is extremely effective in wicking moisture, I still find it challenging to stay 'dry inside' with Gore-Tex raingear in warm seasons. Not a problem in the winter just only when temps are higher than 25deg and being active when rain or snow is falling. Take care
Great video. Thanks for sharing your experience. It helped me make my decision.
I found that it really depends on the socks I wear with my GoreTex boots! The Darn Tough company has some great sweat-wicking socks for hiking :)
Great video, that brings up a lot of questions. I've used Gortex since my army days from 86 to 96. then as a civilian hiker camper etc.. since that time. I have been selling outdoor equipment for almost 25 years now. I suggest using gortex only in cold weather. I don't like gortex during hot humid weather. but a lot of people aren't wearing their shoes correctly. My first question is , Where you plan on using them? Make sure you are wearing wool socks with gortex or any outdoor shoe. many people wear cotton socks. remember cotton kills. so best to wear no socks than cottons socks. I will carry a pair of sandals when crossing water. Make sure the insoles are good. usually the ones that come with the shoes are poor. Make sure you are fit, and the shoes are correct in size. many people wear shoes that are too small. Also, I would suggest that you maybe carry a second pair of shoes on these long hikes. I know they add weight. But this will allow your shoes to dry out and recovers from the stress of the day before. Even in the Army we do this. Wear the right shoes for the right terrain, the right season, and stay fit. because an unfit hiker can injure themselves because they change how they step when they get tired.
Good points and correlated with my experience.
I tried gorotex shoes in winter.. my feet were cooked. Better to wear leather boots. In my opinion gorotex is way overrated technology.
@@markucije it is, but in the end if the winter weather is dry cold. It works better
I definitely haven’t noticed much sweating in the heat with gore tex. I sweat a lot everywhere but not as bad with my feet 😂
Thanks for info, it helped me a lot.
I've used Gortex extensively in many different applications and agree fully with your review. Gortex is more marketing hype than effective application, particularly in footwear. It works a little better in jackets. It doesn't ventilate well enough for footwear and can in no way keep up with the heat within the footbox. I have never worn a gortex shoe/ boot that my sock was not soaked from sweat.
Some of your photos above show shoes with removable pads. Did those come with the shoe, or do you add a foam pad/insert?
Did you wear, breathable socks that works well with sock? Found forum's saying wear breathable socks that suck the mositure out away from your foot. I've tried and it works great with my military goretex boots.
I am always looking for Gore-Tex technology when I am buying new boots. I never had a problem with the Gore-Tex, this material is a lifesaver for me when I am trekking the mountain ridges or down in the forest when crossing rivers. I don't know about you, but I am always wearing gaiters (low or high for snow) to protect the boots. I wouldn't go trekking without Gore-Tex and Vibram! For me works and I am sure that works for most people.
I find they work amazing for rain running shoes.
Excellent! I love your outline where users can fast foward to topics. Thanks (I live in Alaska and also prefer maximum breathability for drier feet.)
To prevent getting wet into waterproof shoes just take a piece of plastic foil (cut zip-bag) and wrap ower socks and secure it with a piece of plaster/ducktape. It works for me during the cycling in Ireland. Sorry for the broken English.
Can you make a video on the best socks for hiking
Deborah Busch Darn Tough - lifetime warranty made in Vermont. Expensive but worth it. The most popular hiking sock there is for good reason.
Meg Hikes OK Thank you so much
Deborah Busch Also check out Injinji sock liners as they’re champion for preventing blisters especially toe blisters. I used these and Darn Tough through 700 miles of dessert and 200 miles in the Sierras last year and had 0 blisters.
Meg Hikes Thanks
Darn Tough, all day, every day. I tried Smartwool and REI didn't really like either
I started backpacking in the early 70’s with leather mountaineering boots. I still wear them, totally breathable. The original GoreTex.
Leather is not breathable lol wtf
And you need to wax the leather often to keep them almost waterproof. Once wet, leather boots stay wet for a long long time.
@@2chill2 The oil in leather is hydrophobic. Wax is only needed if you're walking through mud for long periods of time. Even then, you mostly use a heavy oil with some suspended wax, but you don't actually wax the leather. Too much wax won't let the leather breath and can cause the leather to rot.
I'd look into smoke-jumpers and how they care for their leather boots.
@@daviddaigle1709uhm... yes it is?!
@@daviddaigle1709 leather is very porous.
I think it depends on where and when you hike. Spring hiking in the Sierras and Coastal ranges of California would be miserable in anything but gore-tex. Trails become streams, large patches of snow to cross, your feet would be soaked all of the time. I can see going away from gore-tex in dry, hot summer conditions. We seldom have those conditions where I hike.
Wonder if it will affect the breathability of non gore-tex shoe by spraying those aftermarket waterproof spray? eg 3M's Scotchgard Heavy Duty Water Shield.
I couldn't agree more. I swap out for Teva sandals when I cross water but for much the same reasons, I decided to embrace the suck and just be ok with being wet when I was in the Infantry for 8 years, where even if it rains, you never stop doing what you're doing, you just do it wet. I keep my gear in a garbage bag inside my pack with a rain cover over that but no worthless rain gear or waterproof footwear and it works for me. As for the rain jacket and pants? Whether the gear leaks eventually or it's the condensation and sweat, you're gonna get wet anyway, so why bother putting yourself in a plastic bag and without all the Gore Tex, you dry off faster. Keep up the good work. 👍
Try a pair of AKU PILGRIM FG gortex boots they have an open weave inside the gortex membrane so they can really breathe much better just like a non gortex boot does and I've found my feet don't get hot and sweaty, these boots were especially developed for the British armed forces.
I have sweaty feet also. So I’m very glad I came across this video.
What hiking shoes do you have then?
been hiking for years in mostly Meindls with goretex, never had any issues with sweat or rain getting in etc. I wonder if you've just had bad products?
Agreed for 3 seasons but winter hiking or snowshoeing, gortex is part of my regular gear. Great video dixie. Keep em coming.
spartywarriors I tried trail runners in rain/ snowy weather and hated it. Course I wasn’t thru hiking but once it hits 30 I want my boots!
I agree. My NB trail runners are gortex and they actually take forever to dry if they get really wet, however. Only thing the store had though. I do love it for my Merrell boots which I use exclusively for snow hiking. They keep your feet a lot drier and warmer, imo. But I could see that on thru hike you wouldn't want them.
Gore Rex in summer can be helpful, the morning dew can be a nightmare, then you are walking with wet feet forever if you don’t have goretex. I like the presentation of the video, but I did not think the discussion was well thought out.
@@brianbrooking496 I have to respectfully disagree, here. My experience is that non-waterproof shoes also _drain_ very quickly and if wearing decent socks - I use a wicking layer next to the skin and a light-to-medium weight sock over that - I don't have a problem with my feet feeling wet. I can even ford streams, walk through deep puddles and my shoes drain and become tolerable within 10 minutes.
Only time I've been squelching around all day is in waterproof shoes/boots after having them submerged or subjected to torrential rain. Once in, the water never gets out.
Wolf NZ Outdoors interesting points, and well made. We obviously like different things, which is encouraged, as it’s great to get different perspectives. Here in Ireland the grass is usually soaking with dew in mornings and can take forever to burn off (if we get morning sun). So after a short distance my Merrill Ventilator, are usually soaked through, whereas if I took the goretex shoes, my feet are bone dry all day.
I hiked the AT and PCT. Non-GoreTex sneakers on the AT in 1996 as I couldn't find any with GoreTex then. On the PCT (98) I used GoreTex sneakers about half the time. Replaced the shoes after 5-6 weeks and the GoreTex was waterproof 2/3 to 3/4 of the time, and then started leaking slowly. I always used gaiters in wet weather, if not then the GoreTex just creates problems.
Like Dixie says, GoreTex shoes dry slower, but IMO it also takes much more before they get wet though. 98 was a high snow level year on the PCT and I certainly prefered GoreTex shoes on long stretches of snow. On balance I lean toward shoes with GoreTex, but it's certainly not a clear winner for the whole trail. Maybe I'd be more for non-GoreTex if I'd hiked the PCT on a more normal year.
Thanks for the info. I'm planning on going to Yosemite on October and i had a not so bad ankle fracture. Is ankle support a must in my case? I'm not planning on doing any advanced hikes since I'm going with my sister's in law so they aren't really the outdoors kind of people. I just want to be safe lol.
Valuable info, thanks!
I have used Lowa boots of the same model with gore tex also with leather liner. The gore tex pair were worn daily for about 18 months before they had an odor that I could not clear out.. Weather was like Washington state. Wet not too cold or hot. 28 to 80 F. For me they were warm and I had no problem in heat or cold but you had to change socks and air out when it was cold. Odor was a problem mostly near the end. When I went back to the store to buy new they only had the leather lined model. I actually find the leather lined model keeps my feet more comfortable as the leather liner is not absorbing as much moisture as the gore tex did. I Have used the leather lined in Alps on day hikes 60 to 85 F. Less slipping of the sock when damp from sweat. They breath a bit less in the heat but dry faster when you take them off at a rest stop and have no odor. I am happier with the leather lined boots. I will be steering clear of gore tex in my next pair mostly due to the odor. Also the high rubber soles and outer bees wax treated leather is the water repellant for both pairs. The gore tex liner added no water proofing. I think the idea was to help the feet stay dryer but based on the odor I would say gore tex as a boot liner is only good at absorbing foot moisture.
I have 1400 AT miles on two pairs of Lowa Renegade GTXs and loved them. I hate hiking in wet feet and when I tried trail runners for 4 days in New York my feet were wet all the time. Up to that point I had hiked in wet boots only days, plus in just 1 day I had fallen 4 times with the trail runners. Bottomline: I love Lowa boots
@@soaringeagleoutdoors I've been on four five day trips where I've got the Renegade wet the first day and they kept my feet dry for 5 days in a row even though the outside was wet. Remarkable lightweight boot!
As you've already learned, it's very important to prevent bacteria from ever taking hold in your footware (whether Gore-Tex or not). The key is to realize what the source of the bacteria is in the first place. Your feet should be scrubbed clean BEFORE engaging in activities that cause it to sweat. Otherwise it will multiply and spread through your socks and eventually into your footwear.
Where I live in Ohio, 90% humidity is not uncommon. Wearing my Lowe Gortex leather boots on a multi day trip I have had to stop, take them off and dump water out of them every mile or so. I have switched to trail runners and no longer have to worry about prolonged wet feet. I did the JMT in June and July in the big snow year of 2017. Did a number of deep water crossings and hiked mostly in snow with my Altras. The feet were dry most of the time and when wet never felt clammy. I do have a pair of water resistant Altras for the winter. They are Gortex like, so it does have a place in certain instances.
Using anti-perspirant on my feet, especially when wearing ski boots, helps with foot and lower leg perspiration. I agree with you here.
but there is the cancer in anti-perspirant
@@ing_frantisek_mohykan the chance of you getting cancer cuz of an antiperspirant is next to none
@@ing_frantisek_mohykan that’s because of the aluminum within the anti perspirant. But just look for some without aluminum, pretty easy to find
How about changing to a pair of water shoes/sandals and not wearing socks to cross streams? One could then dry their feet and put on dry socks and shoes. I agree with Mike Box post about wool socks. When I switched to socks made mostly of wool, I stopped getting blisters. I wear wool socks year round. My favorite is Woolrich Big Wooly heavy weight hiking and then Smartwool medium weight hiking. I used the big wooly's as make shift mittens in zero degree weather and my hands stayed warm.
Thanks so much for this. Great to hear genuine, realistic views based on your experience. Very helpful
Gortex works for me !! I guess everybody's different
How do you handle water crossings when water level is knee high?
@@dormilon36 you cross somewhere else
@@dormilon36 swims
@@szkyy5171 lol
@@dormilon36 stay indoors
They work until you submerge them. I bought the Altra trail runners on your recommendation recently. The best feeling shoes I've ever bought!
Good video. What type of inserts do you recommend? Ever heard of superfeet?
Thanks for the video, Dixie. Very informative.
Below is a long rant on waterproof products. But before that: What are you folks' best tips for drying your shoes out after you do get them wet? My two main ways are 1) immediately change into dry socks when you get to a dry location or the weather dries out. Keep walking, and keep rotating socks until your shoes are dry. And 2) fill your shoes with newspaper as soon as you make camp. Remember to remove your insoles and dry them separately! If you have enough, change the newspaper before you go to sleep. 3) Keep a couple clothes pins in your pack so you can dry out your socks and news paper after using them.
I have this same opinion for hiking. My background is that I have been hiking sporadically through my life and of course was a conscript in the finnish defence forces for a one year term. And I share your problems with Gore-Tex and other membrane products.
For one, eventually, eventually when you are out there for long enough, that water WILL find its way through. There's really just no helping it. Either it will seep in through the top, or your feet will generate enough of their own moisture that will have to remain in the shoe since there is no place with less moisture for it to evaporate to, or your feet will slowly vaporize the water that seeped into your shoes and, having vaporized, it can now enter through the membrane. It might keep you drier for longer - but not indefinately. And once the moisture is in, it's hard to get out. Membrane shoes, however, are great if you are doing short, couple hour trips where you might get soaked.
But of course the other big one is when it's not raining. And when it's not, the membrane will keep your feet constantly moist with your own sweat, like you said. And wet feet develop blisters and problems so much faster. Not to mention it's really, really uncomfortable :D
There is one environment where I love membrane products, and that's in motorcycling. What I said above about moisture finding it's way in holds true here too, especially if you are doing long days in the rain. But really I love membrane clothing more for how they help you deal with the cold. Their windproofness can make an absolutely awful riding day into a genuine pleasure. Even here, simply having a set of waterproof overalls would be much better for both waterproofing and warmth. For some reason I just find it weird to ride in a baggy set of waterproofs when it's not raining, just because of the cold. :D
It is not at all difficult to get a sufficient supply of newspapers in the forest, because they are sold in woods in piles at every step.
Firs thing you said that makes me wary of your message was "I had no prior hiking experience." But that's another conversation. What kind of socks were you wearing?
After thru-hiking the PCT twice I can say that all that is true for me too. With the exception of the Northern Washington part, where hiking thru the wet grass especially in the morning soaked my non Goretex shoes in minutes and due to the cold climate I never managed to get them and all my spare socks dry again. I was in Washington pretty early so I didn’t hit much rain. Would try some goretex boots just for that last sections the next time...
I personally like my gore tex boots for any wet/muddy hike that's not in the rain. I live in Belgium and during the winter I will often do day hikes in the woods. I don't usually go out on rainy days, but in the winter it rains often enough that it's almost always wet and muddy on the ground even if it's not actively raining. For this my gore tex works great. But for my multi day hikes, I usually use my non gore tex trail runners instead for that ease of drying and because I'm more likely to go in the water or being out in the rain
Yeah, I only want gore-tex in really cold conditions. I loved gore-tex in Wyoming....not so much in South Carolina.
I love the covered bridge back drop!
PuttPutt's Adventures Thank you!
hi there👋🏾,
i was just about to order myself the garmont nemesis 4.1 gtx boots for everyday use in the upcoming cold weather.......
and you just destroyed this idea😄
any suggestion that goes in that direction?
light...comfy..."all weather" useable?
affordable☝🏾
i dont need them for hiking,normal everyday use only...
Trail runners are the best option 👍
Thanks for the gore tex review, I was wondering if I should invest the extra amount in gore tex or it’s just something insanely popular but not very practical. Quick drying seems also the best option for me.
Interesting, thank you! I also use Altra trail runners for hiking at the moment. I have used Keen boots in the past, and they did have some sort of waterproof breathable liner (I'm not sure whether it was Gortex or something else). I stopped using them after I hiked The Fish River Canyon in Namibia and literal cupfuls of fine sand worked its way in between the material of the outside of the boot and the waterproof liner. Eventually I had to use my pen knife to cut the waterproof liner out of the boot to release the trapped sand.
Great insights! Thanks for sharing :)
I have been wearing a salomon goretex mid ankle boot from quite a time...they tend to be a little warmer in extreme heat but are the most comfortable waterproof shoes when it comes to winter and snow..i just love them.. i wore them in temperatures reaching less than -15 degree Celsius and they just work fine..i would suggest goretex shoes be worn with woolen socks they work better as compared to synthetic ones...use cotton socks for warm places
This is so true! I have the same experience. I wish I knew it two pairs of GTX shoes before...
Which model?
Practical advice. Thank ya. Wore Salomon waterproof boots on a Bob Marshall section of the CDT, and those worked out pretty good. Just ordered a pair of Altra Lone Peaks to give them a try. Appreciate your videos.
great insight. thank you for this!
For us average hikers, I think Gortex boots paired with wool socks and a pair of hiking sandals could be a good combo. Wear the boots the majority the hike and wear the Sandals to air out your boots and feet. You can also wear the sandals for water crossings. I say wear the boots the majority of the hike because you are gonna need that ankle support unless you are going ultralight. For those ultralight hikers though, wear whatever you want cuz you probably don’t need that ankle support as much anyways.
Hi, I live in the north of Germany and our weather can be cold and wet all around the year, same in Scandinavia were I like to go hiking and cycling too. I prefere Altras with Injinji socks. But for periods with lots of rain I use waterproof socks. There are lots of different brands and prices. No need to spent mutch money, the cheap chinese one are working same like the expensive brands. After one or two years you have to replace them anyway but they are doing the job. Your feet are warm and dry. In good weather conditions just take them off and enjoy breathable shoes. This is my personal solution and I am fine with it.
its just too expensive though, same price as the trekking pole
Thank you for the review. I have purchased some water proof socks but my country is currently in drought so I havent had a chance to try them yet.
@@antoniabaker7770
If you don't live in a desert, you will be glad to have them soon or later.
@@slowfox532 I will be on the AT soon.
Robert Krahmer you are correct! Altra shoes and injinji toe socks and goretex socks when needed are how I do it! It took me years to figure out this combination on my own. It is good to see others arriving at the same conclusion.
Love gore-tex but you have to use a brain as well. You got comments like "they work until you submerge them " no kidding !
¿There is some boots label with a integrated brain that you can recommend?
That's not what she's saying. She meant if you're gonna submerge your shoes you might as well just use normal shoes because they drain water better than gore tex
My favourite review ever was for the mesh sided Terrain Aqua 2 Shoes designed to dry out quickly after being submerged. The reviewer complained that their feet got wet in the rain! Remember common sense is not common.
@@jludwig5374 I don’t think the complaint is about what is being said in the video. She makes a good case for not using Gore-Tex for the type of hiking she is doing. For me walking the the Downs in rainy England with bridges over any running water it is great.
@@jludwig5374 Yep,right over his head.
This apply for specific brand of Gore-Tex or for all brand shoes Gore-tax ?
Goretex membrane is Just essential for wet environment. It's not only that is waterproof and breath better than other waterproof material, but also it can be use in combination with other Fabrics such as leather and nylon etc.
keep one thing in mind,Goretex does not deteriorate naturally, it will still function after a century, cause it is not naturally disposable.which can be a good thing if we are talking about durability.
Been Hiking for 40 years. I remember when I first started seeing Goretex in late 80s. Finally saved my pennies and got my first pair in 89. It was my first boot with a lot of nylon and I had my doubts. After buying them I stood in a stream so the water could go over them but not get in from the top. I was amazed. Stood there about 3-4 mins and feet stayed completely dry. Always been the same experience ever since. Nothing will keep you dry if water gets in the body part opening, but if it does that’s user error. I think your comment is too one dimensional. For hot summers I dont wear goretex either- let your feet get wet- no biggie. But for cold, wet and rainy climates it is essential. You can get frost bite in not too cold weather if you feet get wet. Snow is not as much of an issue as cold rain bc unless you are trekking through deep snow for an extended period, usually the snow will drop off your boot before it turns to water and can penetrate. But rainfall will soak through non goretex nylon shoes/boots very quickly, and if it is cold you could be in trouble. The other thing is that you cannot just rely on boots/shoes alone to keep you dry. If you are gonna be hiking for prolonged time in cold rain it is essential to have goretex pants and gaiters, as well as a shell with a hood of course. You can often pick up used over pants and gaiters in very good shape from mil surplus. I have a pair of British mil over pants that work perfect- a little swish but that’s OK. You also have to understand the rating system of goretex and goretex like fabrics. They have a rating for water proofness and permeability. Some are better than others at each. I always recommend people read the ratings prior to buying the product. And sealed seems are essential too- cheap gear won’t have sealed seams so the water will just bypass the goretex and come in the seams. That is not the goretex fault but is poor manufacturing and design of the product- probably to save costs bc it was cheap. Re stream crossings- if I’m hiking in weather for goretex Im likely not doing stream crossings more than ankle deep due to temp of water, but if I do expect to I usually bring Keen sandals strapped to outside of my pack. For shoulder seasons I recommend a well ventilated boot with a lot of nylon- if you get a leather boot or shoe you are defeating the breathability of goretex. So in sum- I agree with that you are saying to point- in warm weather. But in cold rain your vid could get people in trouble with exposure.
I totally agree with you. There is no one answer for every questions. And gortex answers to the extreme cold and wet. Gortex is not meant to be worn in the summer or warm climates. Your body will sweat in anything that's trying to keep the elements out. Especially if you sweat too much to begin with.
Sir, which shoes do you recommend for summer hikers with durability and one with a lot of ventilation?
Agreed
@@ehatipo4598 Did you find some , cause i'm looking for me to but cannot decide..!
@@georgiospapadimitriou1509 I found a pair of northface hiking shoes in discount. I'd suggest follow any big brand discounts
I hike in alltra timps, after water crossing my shoes and socks would dried out in about 30 minutes. I love trail runners for comfort and lite weight.
Altras have changed my life. After hiking since 1967 in misery, I now hike with a smile on my face. I just wish the sizing were more consistent from year to year and model to model. Oh well...I just by two or three of whatever DOES fit. Wonderful shoes.
@@geraldhenrickson7472 I did just purchased the timps 1.5, new excellent comfort and fit. Took my first 10 hike in them, better my original timps better than lone peaks. I want to try Olympus 3.0 have to order a pair.
Hi, what would you wear if you go thru hiking in Scotland highlands in July/August? (if you didn't already)
Question to all of you disliking goretex / waterproof shoes and boots: how do you keep your feet dry and warm while hiking in the rain / snow? I understand that it's okay to get something quick drying and just walk into the puddles in the summer, but I think gore-tex is for autumn/winter and rainy day hiking in the first place. I have some Nike SFB boots that are not waterproof, and walking in them in wet grass (not in the rain) soaks them through in about 30 mins... and an hour in I can't feel my toes... then imagine rain / snow, cold, and a full day hike.... quick drying shoes don't make sense for this purpose... so what other options do you guys prefer instead of goretex then?
Too true, my Solomons take forever to dry out, but it gave me an excuse to take a much needed break after the smokies.
So she don’t like that they aren’t water proof under water?
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Sure you don't need goretex if you are hiking only during summer and all kind of summer weather when everything dries fast. Cannot imagine myself going back to something without gore tex when it gets around 10 degrees centigrade and wet around. Though I agree that it will eventually get soaking wet and never dries, especially when you are out for 4-5 days and 3 days of that are in constant mist or irritating small but loooong rain.
Depends on where you're at. The climate and weather etc. I've never had an issue with Goretex..my feet stay warm and dry. I'm in a pretty cold and snowy area. I buy the boot a little big and wear thick wool socks... the socks you wear are just as important as the boots.
It truly matters where the liner is sewn into the boot. Most goretex lined boots have the liner sewn in the inside of the upper, creating a sock-like membrane with very little absorbent material in between the liner and the foot. This means that you can very easily dump any water from any deep creek crossings out of the boot and swap in a dry pair of inserts (a good piece of kit to have on any long ruck). In my experience, this has always been faster and more comfortable than relying on ventilated boots drying naturally over time. Then again, I don’t have sweaty feet, so experiences may vary. I’ve actually filled my Lowa Renegade GTX boots and a pair of Salomon X Ultra Aero boots with water, dumped them out, and then tested drying them on my picnic table. The GTX boots dried faster, because they absorbed less water inside the liner before being dumped. The insoles dried at the same rate. Bottom line: for me, GTX boots and spare insoles are the way to go.