You’ll note the camera placement while he says this line. Keefer appears slightLy out of focus on the left side of the screen but Greenwood never even glances at him, as if the question couldn’t possibly apply to him. Genius.
"You don t work with a Captain because you like the way he parts his hair, you work with him because he s got the job or your NO good..." that line saw me through military service for 4 successful active and for reserve years.
At the origins of the creation of the USSR stood the United States, investing a gigantic resource of technology, finance and, most importantly, a workforce of highly qualified specialists who managed to create a Monster of Industry from an agricultural country in less than 10 years. Thus, the United States created a frontier for itself in Eurasia against a united Europe and England in particular, because the United States is a former colony of England. Since then, the Personnel has not gone away; they perfectly mimicked Russians, Ukrainians, Georgians, Azerbaijanis, Americans, and Germans; for this you don’t need to know the language enough and change your initials.
He wasn't even nominated. Jack Lemmon won best supporting for another war movie, Mister Roberts. He was the first Hispanic actor to win Best Actor...for Cyrano de Bergerac, five years before. Won the Golden Globe for that one, too. And before that, he won the Tony award for the same role. Most of his awards were from the stage, not the screen. Won Tony awards for three other plays after he won the Tony for Cyrano, three times for Best Director and the last one (The Shrike), he won Best Actor too. No more awards after that, despite going his career going on nearly four decades after that before he died.
@@r.c.auclair2042 Jack Lemmon won for "Mister Roberts" the year after, though Lee J. Cobb gave a magnificent performance in "On the Waterfront" the year "The Caine Mutiny" came out.
MacMurray is SO good in this movie. I also loved Tom Tully as the salty Captain who commands the Caine at the beginning of the film. The casting all around is just superb!
when I was a kid in the 70s and 80s "My 3 Sons" was still in syndication, especially on the UHF/VHF channels, so it was a shock whenever you see Fred McMurray in a bad guy role
I remember watching this scene with my dad as a kid on reruns ......I kind of understood it as a kid....very powerful.... * i only knew Fred MacMurray from My 3 Sons before seeing this.....then i saw Double Indemnity later on .....broke my heart Ernie
The movie universalized it. In the actual book he gets drunk intentionally and speaks about people like Queeg keeping his mother from being killed in the Holocaust. His speech is basically ignored by the characters.
Ferrer's finest performance! Smoldering contempt for Keefer is awesome. Although, MacMurray later became known for TV's My Three Sons and Disney movies, he was cast against type three times to great effect. As murderous Neff in Double Indemnity, as Sheldrake in The Apartment and here as Keefer. This scene and Bogart's meltdown were worth the price of admission.
He was also great in Moulin Rouge. Should have won the Best Actor Oscar for that as well.... He made you "feel" the part and in the end such a tragedy.
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This scene changed my life. Before this I did not realize that people in the military do a job for the country. I was caught up in the anti-Viet Nam War mode. I still feel that war was wrong to be involved with but I do not blame the soldiers. This movie allowed me to see things in a different light. Jose Ferrer is fantastic.
I watched the movie and read the book. Enjoyed both. Queeg had his issues but he took over a ship that had been subjected to lax leadership. When Queeg tried to be the new broom to sweep clean, his officers turned on him. It was a combination of both a shell shocked captain and a disrespectful officer cadre that lead up to the mutiny.
It makes you wonder if the crew (without Keefer poisoning them) had accepted Queeg's plea for help that he would have made them better officers while in turn their growing loyalty would have helped him ease out of his combat fatigue.
If I may add, Bogart played Queeg so innately that you honestly feel terrible he became the scapegoat. It's sad when you see Queeg on the stand after his paranoid breakdown-so vulnerable, so broken, so desperately deserving of his officers' help and loyalty.
I have to disagree with you on the “lax leadership “ claim. DeVriess was an excellent leader- he was able to get the very best out of his men despite the obsolete equipment and ship they had to use. Morale was consistently good. He understood that results were more important than tucked in shirttails. Queeg had no idea what he was doing and he nit picked and micromanaged, blamed others for his failures, and was an absolutely horrible leader.
@@tommym321 I am not in agreement with this scene. Yes, there is a slim chance Queeg may have been a better Captain with more loyalty, I highly doubt it. The real truth is loyalty and respect need to start from the top and work down, and, while it was not in the Navy, I have had a few years of sea time and been a captain. Queeg shows his men no respect. The incident when they run over the tow line is to me all I néed to know. Queeg has men looking out for him and his ship, but refuses to even let them speak, his focus and attention diverted to something else. The smart captain seeking to enforce the wearing of the equipment chooses a different time. When you have the conn, then you have the conn. When the helmsman tries to warn you, and you threaten him, that is not having the conn. I have seen men lead by first giving respect, and they are always more successful in getting their crew's loyalty and effort. Want to see leadership while giving respect depicted, watch Mr. Roberts who does it, while Capt. Morton does not and has little loyalty shown to him. Capt. Morton did not earn loyalty. I have seen men lead by imposing the rules and do it well enough, but with the focus Queeg is missing. And, as depicted in the typhoon, Queeg froze when the ship needed his attention and lacked proper judgment. Sure, Keefer, the writer, is a bad officer too, but the rest of the officers I would not be so in a rush to condemn.
Dan Mc I agree with you 100 percent. But I still think it’s an interesting perspective. When the mission must succeed no matter what, then you must do all you can to ensure it’s success even if the leader is useless. But unfortunately it was made all too clear that there was NOTHING those men could have done to help and support the captain; he refused anyone’s viewpoint. NOW on the other hand, they made jokes and songs about him. That was not in support of the ultimate mission of winning the war.
It's one of my favorite movies, but it does have that lame romance side plot, that added ZERO to the film. The film grinds to a halt whenever that subplot interferes with the film. lol
I finished the novel and didn’t know they made a movie adaption. This scene is very powerful as Greenwald revealed the grand finale. This scene was my favorite part of the book.
Jose Ferrer owns this scene and his character is easy to root for. But one who's hard to root for here--Fred MacMurray--also gives a top-notch performance with few lines in this scene. For many including me, it was long too easy to underestimate MacMurray because of his TV sitcom, "My Three Sons," where he his character had little to work with. But if you think MacMurray's performance here was an outlier, check out "Double Indemnity." Wow. "The Caine Mutiny" had outstanding film direction by Edward Dmytryk and outstanding performances by numerous actors. And it's a film that would never get made today.
Yes! When I was a kid, it was always a great surprise to find out that the TV stars I loved had amazing Golden Hollywood careers. Fred MacMurray was wonderful in Double Indemnity (by James M. Cain) . Both books were excellent. Seems like they did book-to-screen adaptations much better then.
Do you mean, because it's all men? Ironically, there are scenes with Keith and his fiancee which were inserted because the studio wanted some scenes with female characters, but those scenes are the weakest in the film, in my opinion.
@@zingzangspillip1Yeah, I agree, those scenes did not move the ball forward. That's a good point about all men, but what I really had in mind was that it was a military-based story with little action. It's character-driven. And it's set in WWII; the last WWII film per IMDB, Dunkirk, was released in 2017; not long before that, there were multiple WWII films per year. For those reasons, I doubt that book could attract a film deal today.
@@sounderdavis5446 You make an interesting point. I immediately thought of '1917', which is obviously a WWI film, but I think there is little distinction between the two wars when it comes to cinema. However, that movie is full of action, and is literally about two guys running from one place to another. Very different to The Caine Mutiny. One thing about those scenes. There isn't anything wrong with them, really. It's just that the movie isn't really about Keith, he is the audience's representative. Robert Francis does a good job in the movie, but the movie is really about the interplay between Bogart, Johnson and MacMurray, and anytime they aren't on screen, the story doesn't move forward, as you said.
In the Novel, Wouk makes it more clear - that the wine is "yellow" and that the reference was to the "old yellow-stain" mockery which had been coined by Keefer earlier in the book. It's a fantastic insult - the real yellow-stain aboard the Caine was, in fact, Keefer.
I think Mr. Keefer had at least some idea what he’d done as indicated by his exchange with Mr. Merrick earlier in the scene: “I didn’t think you’d have the guts to show up.” “I didn’t have the guts not to.”
Keefer did not have the courage to not show up at the party as this might reveal his cowardice in the trial (when people talked about his absence). He instead showed up at the celebrations, intending to slip under the radar because he knew Merrick was forever forgiving everyone.
Easily one of the best scenes and movie endings in film history. So many quotable lines in a scene just a few minutes long. "No you go ahead. You're telling it better." "Here's to the real author of the Caine mutiny." "If you wanna do anything about it I'll be outside. I'm a lot drunker than you are, so it'll be a fair fight."
There is a line that comes up before this, part of the scene that makes the scene a even little more interesting. Greenwald: "I defended you, Steve, because I found the wrong man was on trial." We then hear the rest of the speech, and then he says: "And now we come to the man who should have stood trial. Mister Keifer!"
For new and upcoming actors this scene should be mandatory practice. It's one of the best film endings ever made. They don't write dialogue like this anymore.
There's a lot to think about in this short sequence of film. Both concerning the movie and real life, plus the marvelous acting of Fred MacMurray especially. He was indeed more than his character in Double Indemnity
Greenwald is wrong about Queeg. A Captain doesn't require pats on the back or encouragement from his crew to do the job. As for loyalty, a man who rains fire and brimstone on his crew for minor errors, but always has a scapegoat for his own failures, is not someone who inspires loyalty. How many marines died because of Queeg's yellowstain incident? He should have been relieved and court-martialed for that fiasco. He is right about Keefer though.
An officer's job is to support his captain and lead his division or department. The XO's job is to ensure the captain has a sounding board, so that he can be at his best, with his crew, to question in private and support in public. Any officer who had issue with the captain should have brought his concerns to the XO and, ultimately the captain. They lacked the leadership to approach the captain and discuss the issues at hand and offers suggestions to fix it. They failed to exercise leadership to unify the command and act as a team. They failed to act as officers. They failed to be leaders, in the absence of sound leadership by the captain. They failed to try to help the captain be at his best. His failures are their failures, because it was their duty to see that the ship succeeded in its mission. The captain is ultimately responsible for the ship, but they each share that responsibility as part of his wardroom.
Note Van Johnson with no make-up to cover his real life scar in the forehead, consequence of an automobile accident when he was a contract player with MGM. The scar was carefully concealed while working for that studio doing musicals.
Jose Ferrer 'was one of the most celebrated and esteemed Hispanic-American actors-or, indeed, actors of any ethnicity-during his lifetime and after, with a career spanning nearly 60 years between 1935 and 1992.'
In the trivia section of Lawrence of Arabia over at IMDB, there’s an interesting bit I’m sure you’ll appreciate. Peter O’Toole said he learned more from Mr Ferrer about acting in the few days they filmed together than all his years in drama school.
Everyone posting here about the actors points out the spectacular job Jose Ferrer and Humphrey Bogart did, and I emphatically agree. BOTH should’ve been at least NOMINATED for Oscars (Bogart was, but lost to Marlon Brando). But let’s not forget the great performance of Fred “Keefer” MacMurray.
In real life, Greenwald staggers up to Keefer, slurs "'I'm a lot fighter than you are, so it'll be a fair drunk...hic." Then he throws up on Keefer's shoes.
Worked for a general once just like Queeg. Little man with a Napoleon complex but his initials were BIG. Real paranoid pain in the butt that never made it past two star, Thank God. He was in charge of A Million Civilians as we used to say.
So, they've done a remake. It's called The Caine Mutiny Court-Martial. I really, really hope that they do Wouk's study of officers' leadership and condemnation of his own trade the justice it deserves. They're attempting it with 'one boot off' so to speak because Jose Ferrar has long since passed away. While Bogey ate up the film footage [and did a Hell of a job at it], I really believe that Ferrar was the star of the movie.
I liked how after Greenwald threw the yellow champagne at Keefer. He issued a physical challenge to Keefer and stormed out. The other officers waited a few seconds to see how Keefer would respond and when he just stood there. It was right there and then that everyone saw him just as a coward. Yellow as Keefer made Captain Queeg out to be.
Greenwald had to overcome his natural disinclination to throw the champagne at Keefer as doing this was against his principles. Then, in not wanting to have an advantage, he provided Keefer an opportunity to defend his 'honor', despite that Greenwald, being half-drunk and with a bandaged wrist, may not have won the fistfight. The group stood in silence because they were processing the information that there was a rat in their ranks who had set up the entire incident. They walked out together because of what Keefer had done in being treacherous, but they didn't walk out because Keefer did not accept the fistfight challenge. In fact, the only 'guts' Keefer showed in the entire film was when he decided not to accept the challenge and to accept the permanent loss of face.
LOL Greenwald (who wasn't there at the time) makes a big point about Queeg 'asking them for help' and them all ignoring him and ridiculing him instead. So.... after weeks of Queeg banging the desk, screaming 'My way or the highway!' and belittling them all, one barely comprehensible mumbled show of vulnerability was supposed to turn the whole management culture of the ship around 180 degrees? Uh-uh. Way too little, way too late.
@@johnd2442 The officers could have done more but they couldn't have stopped the captain from giving orders or disobeying them (as with the dye-marker incident). It was only with the hurricane that his eccentric personality became a danger to the ship and Maryk would have had to intervene even if nothing had happened prior to the captain's becoming incapacitated on the bridge. Maryk knew that maintaining 'fleet course' would sink the ship: only by steering into wind could the ship survive the sea-conditions, so the captain had to be disobeyed, no matter what.
Flaif No there wasn’t in the novel. In the novel, Greenwald is angry at discrediting Queeg because he has respect for the military- the military that was in place when Hitler started killing his Jewish family members in Europe. So he didn’t want to be trashing a captain, even an incompetent one. I’m over simplifying a bit but that’s it more or less. You should read it. The dialogue in the book is very realistic and fun to read.
Queeg was suffering battle fatigue. But the crew made the mistake of collectively ganging-up against him, which made his paranoia worse. As a result, during the typhoon, Queeg refused to follow the advice of his senior officers, believing they were out to destroy his career by having the ship break orders (as to which compass direction to follow). This is why Greenwald said it was the crew that had actually endangered the ship -- by putting Queeg into such a state of mind that regardless of what they said and the circumstances, Queeg would refuse to believe them.
I always wondered what would of happened to Captain Queeg? I suspect he would been assigned a desk job. Since no one was hurt " Physically." The Navy could of buried it.
Whoever the technical advisor was he screwed up by giving two of the officers "who were safe under the umbrella the captain provided" have Purple Hearts in their ribbon racks...
As someone who has taught and practiced law, and served in the military, Mr. Arrogant Lawyer is correct. This was not a civilian trial. If the officers passing judgement had known about Queeg's request for help, and the subsequent refusal of the other officers to at least try to comply, this outcome would have been different.
This always felt so forced. The guy cracked. Period. In more ways than one, subjecting his crew and every soldier that relied on his sound judgment to danger at worst, wasteful activity during wartime at best. Then this scene is just shoe horned in out of nowhere, as if it weren't culturally acceptable at the time to truly declare a military man unfit. Was he a good man before? Sure. A great officer? That's how he got to captain. And that's all irrelevant. He got here. Now. He needed to be relieved, and he's frankly lucky it didn't happen in combat. He can still retire with full honors, because his XO didn't wait till he got half the crew killed before getting him out of there.
There's a weakness in the novel and in the picture whereby there could have been no way that even loyal officers could have covered for Queeg's behaviour in the the typhoon by letting him maintain fleet course in following seas and winds that were overwhelming the ship. Only by seizing command and steering into wind could Maryk have kept the "Caine" from sinking.
While I do believe he is right about Keefer, I do think his assessment of Queeg was wrong. Queeg proved to be a hypocrite from day one. He screamed at his officers for having a crewman with their shirt tail out. But, at the very same moment, he ran his ship over a tow line, cut it and lied to cover it up. Do you think that's going to inspire loyalty?
This is a terrific scene, but I like the book even better. In it Greenwald says that Queeg and the other regular military "stopped Hermann Goering from washing his fat behind with my mother." This final scene, both in the book and the movie, turns the movie on its head. An M. Night Shalleman kind of twist.
This scene was only done to please the navy. Queeg certainly needed to be relieved. He was unworthy of command before he stepped on the Caine. The officers did nothing wrong
Greenwalde was wrong here. Queeg was to blame for turning his officers against him, by constantly displaying incompetence and insanity. It got to the point where they simply couldn't put up with it any more.
I love how he crashes their party .drunk, and proceeds to rip into them about loyalty,respect and what a bunch of lowlife hypocrites they are.Somebody should have asked him that after the war that when he went back to private practice would he be living by is so called righteous morality by defending rapist,murders,corrupt politicians no matter how many zero,s are behind the check. Or they could have reminded him that he was doing the job the navy was paying him for him to do and showed him the door
@@snowblind9065 The book goes more into his background. He wasn't a criminal lawyer in civilian practice, he did civil law. He wasn't even a lawyer in the Navy, he was a pilot . He got injured in a crash and was ordered to defend Maryk.
@@snowblind9065 To go off topic, the kinds of people have a constitutional right to be defended in court. You can’t blame the lawyers for what they have to do
Spoken like someone who was never an officer in the US military. Part of a junior officer's responsibility is to see that the crew functions as a unit, in support of the captain's leadership and help provide leadership where they captain may be lacking. They weren't willing to take the responsibility for the ship and the crew, until the situation was dire and they were well past the point of turning back.
@@jeffnettleton3858 In addition to all the cowardice, incompetence, and dishonesty displayed by Queeg, he also disregarded all the advice his officers ever offered him. He made it so that it was impossible for them to support him. Their only mistake was not reporting him when they had the chance.
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"I'm a lot drunker than you so it'll be a fair fight."- maybe the best insult ever.
And with a busted hand lol. Ferrer demands the center of attention in every scene he's in.
That was a great line, tough as nails!
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"You're an honest man Steve, I'm asking you."
That line has lived with me since I first saw this movie in the 70s.
You’ll note the camera placement while he says this line. Keefer appears slightLy out of focus on the left side of the screen but Greenwood never even glances at him, as if the question couldn’t possibly apply to him. Genius.
Jose Ferrer made that movie; he played the best part.
Jose Ferrer! One of only a few actors that can steal an entire movie in five minutes! Legend! 🎥
"You don t work with a Captain because you like the way he parts his hair, you work with him because he s got the job or your NO good..." that line saw me through military service for 4 successful active and for reserve years.
At the origins of the creation of the USSR stood the United States, investing a gigantic resource of technology, finance and, most importantly, a workforce of highly qualified specialists who managed to create a Monster of Industry from an agricultural country in less than 10 years.
Thus, the United States created a frontier for itself in Eurasia against a united Europe and England in particular, because the United States is a former colony of England.
Since then, the Personnel has not gone away; they perfectly mimicked Russians, Ukrainians, Georgians, Azerbaijanis, Americans, and Germans; for this you don’t need to know the language enough and change your initials.
dang, I forgot just how *powerful* this movie was, and such stellar acting.
One of the most outstanding voices in Hollywood history.
Absolutely! And his son inherited it too. RIP to both of them.
Jose's voice was equal to James Mason.
The 2nd half of the 2 greatest ending scenes in film history. This following Bogart's magnificent performance on the stand.
Jose Ferrer should have won the oscar for best supporting actor that year !!!
He wasn't even nominated. Jack Lemmon won best supporting for another war movie, Mister Roberts.
He was the first Hispanic actor to win Best Actor...for Cyrano de Bergerac, five years before. Won the Golden Globe for that one, too.
And before that, he won the Tony award for the same role. Most of his awards were from the stage, not the screen. Won Tony awards for three other plays after he won the Tony for Cyrano, three times for Best Director and the last one (The Shrike), he won Best Actor too.
No more awards after that, despite going his career going on nearly four decades after that before he died.
@@r.c.auclair2042 Jack Lemmon won for "Mister Roberts" the year after, though Lee J. Cobb gave a magnificent performance in "On the Waterfront" the year "The Caine Mutiny" came out.
@@contractmed1 , you're right. I'm sorry.
I read the book as a teenage , didn't see the movie until 40 years had passed .
The movie is very faithful to the book .Great film .
I was never much of a Jose Ferrer fan but HE OWNS this scene completely.
He had some excellent lines throughout the trial.
What a spectacular scene / performance on Mr. Ferrers part ... Just a masterpiece.... IMHO
Jose Ferrer = The Padisha Emperor, Shaddam the IV, 1st Dune movie, 1984.
MacMurray is SO good in this movie. I also loved Tom Tully as the salty Captain who commands the Caine at the beginning of the film. The casting all around is just superb!
Fred MacMurray was at his best when he was bad = Double Indemnity, The Apartment and here.
One of the best lines in the film: "I'm a lot drunker than you are so it will be a fair fight"
An incredible performance by Jose Ferrer! Humphry Bogart was also stellar!
Absolutely! Terrific acting by both men for sure.
Both men wore hairpieces. I may need one soon.
when I was a kid in the 70s and 80s "My 3 Sons" was still in syndication, especially on the UHF/VHF channels, so it was a shock whenever you see Fred McMurray in a bad guy role
That is what actors are taught to do. That's their job and Fred was one of the best.
Go watch Double Indemnity and The Apartment.
And that's why Jose Ferrer was a legend.
I remember watching this scene with my dad as a kid on reruns ......I kind of understood it as a kid....very powerful....
* i only knew Fred MacMurray from My 3 Sons before seeing this.....then i saw Double Indemnity later on .....broke my heart Ernie
My favorite scene in the movie! Jose, you were magnificent! Rest In Heavenly Peace!
Here’s to the real author of the Caine Mutiny ...Herman Wouk, who had the guts to make his fictional author the actual villain in his book! Amazing!
A movie every recruit should watch
Don't Stop the Carnival was also great.
And Wouk lived to be almost 104 (ten days short of it)
The movie universalized it. In the actual book he gets drunk intentionally and speaks about people like Queeg keeping his mother from being killed in the Holocaust. His speech is basically ignored by the characters.
You think that took guts? He also had the girl crying after she and hero sleep together, which he outright blames on the books they read.
I love this scene. The scene where Quig cracks up is heartbeaking. Bogart sure could act.
Wow. What a great scene.
Great acting and great writing. Plot and character development instead of CGI and car chases.
The greatest scene in the whole movie.
What a great movie. Outstanding performance by every actor.
Ferrer's finest performance! Smoldering contempt for Keefer is awesome.
Although, MacMurray later became known for TV's My Three Sons and Disney movies, he was cast against type three times to great effect. As murderous Neff in Double Indemnity, as Sheldrake in The Apartment and here as Keefer. This scene and Bogart's meltdown were worth the price of admission.
MacMurray was so typecast as family dad that it is almost disturbing to see him play this role.
Forgot about The Apartment.
Great flick.
I first saw the movie when I was in high school and thought I knew what it was about. I know better now. Jose Ferrer is amazing in this final scene.
Jose Ferrer deserved an Oscar for every role he ever played.. I will watch from beginning to end every time his Cyrano D'Bergerac ..
He was AMAZING in that role.
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@@provetamin and George Clooney's uncle.
He was also great in Moulin Rouge. Should have won the Best Actor Oscar for that as well.... He made you "feel" the part and in the end such a tragedy.
I thought he did win for Moulin Rouge?.. Best actor..
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This scene changed my life. Before this I did not realize that people in the military do a job for the country. I was caught up in the anti-Viet Nam War mode. I still feel that war was wrong to be involved with but I do not blame the soldiers. This movie allowed me to see things in a different light.
Jose Ferrer is fantastic.
A drink thrown in the face...... " If you want to do anything about it I'll be outside !!!! ". Best part of the movie 🎆🤗😋🌻❇️🌸
I watched the movie and read the book. Enjoyed both. Queeg had his issues but he took over a ship that had been subjected to lax leadership. When Queeg tried to be the new broom to sweep clean, his officers turned on him.
It was a combination of both a shell shocked captain and a disrespectful officer cadre that lead up to the mutiny.
It makes you wonder if the crew (without Keefer poisoning them) had accepted Queeg's plea for help that he would have made them better officers while in turn their growing loyalty would have helped him ease out of his combat fatigue.
If I may add, Bogart played Queeg so innately that you honestly feel terrible he became the scapegoat. It's sad when you see Queeg on the stand after his paranoid breakdown-so vulnerable, so broken, so desperately deserving of his officers' help and loyalty.
I have to disagree with you on the “lax leadership “ claim. DeVriess was an excellent leader- he was able to get the very best out of his men despite the obsolete equipment and ship they had to use. Morale was consistently good. He understood that results were more important than tucked in shirttails. Queeg had no idea what he was doing and he nit picked and micromanaged, blamed others for his failures, and was an absolutely horrible leader.
@@tommym321 I am not in agreement with this scene. Yes, there is a slim chance Queeg may have been a better Captain with more loyalty, I highly doubt it. The real truth is loyalty and respect need to start from the top and work down, and, while it was not in the Navy, I have had a few years of sea time and been a captain. Queeg shows his men no respect. The incident when they run over the tow line is to me all I néed to know. Queeg has men looking out for him and his ship, but refuses to even let them speak, his focus and attention diverted to something else. The smart captain seeking to enforce the wearing of the equipment chooses a different time. When you have the conn, then you have the conn. When the helmsman tries to warn you, and you threaten him, that is not having the conn. I have seen men lead by first giving respect, and they are always more successful in getting their crew's loyalty and effort. Want to see leadership while giving respect depicted, watch Mr. Roberts who does it, while Capt. Morton does not and has little loyalty shown to him. Capt. Morton did not earn loyalty.
I have seen men lead by imposing the rules and do it well enough, but with the focus Queeg is missing. And, as depicted in the typhoon, Queeg froze when the ship needed his attention and lacked proper judgment. Sure, Keefer, the writer, is a bad officer too, but the rest of the officers I would not be so in a rush to condemn.
Dan Mc I agree with you 100 percent. But I still think it’s an interesting perspective. When the mission must succeed no matter what, then you must do all you can to ensure it’s success even if the leader is useless. But unfortunately it was made all too clear that there was NOTHING those men could have done to help and support the captain; he refused anyone’s viewpoint. NOW on the other hand, they made jokes and songs about him. That was not in support of the ultimate mission of winning the war.
That movie was such greatness.
It's one of my favorite movies, but it does have that lame romance side plot, that added ZERO to the film. The film grinds to a halt whenever that subplot interferes with the film. lol
@@BigSleepyOx i guess you didn't like pearl harbour then
A true patrimony from Puerto Rico to the world, Descanse en Paz (RIP) Don Jose Ferrer.
I finished the novel and didn’t know they made a movie adaption. This scene is very powerful as Greenwald revealed the grand finale. This scene was my favorite part of the book.
they just make it AGAIN it on parmant plus
Jose Ferrer owns this scene and his character is easy to root for. But one who's hard to root for here--Fred MacMurray--also gives a top-notch performance with few lines in this scene. For many including me, it was long too easy to underestimate MacMurray because of his TV sitcom, "My Three Sons," where he his character had little to work with. But if you think MacMurray's performance here was an outlier, check out "Double Indemnity." Wow. "The Caine Mutiny" had outstanding film direction by Edward Dmytryk and outstanding performances by numerous actors. And it's a film that would never get made today.
Yes! When I was a kid, it was always a great surprise to find out that the TV stars I loved had amazing Golden Hollywood careers. Fred MacMurray was wonderful in Double Indemnity (by James M. Cain) . Both books were excellent. Seems like they did book-to-screen adaptations much better then.
His expression said it all.
Do you mean, because it's all men?
Ironically, there are scenes with Keith and his fiancee which were inserted because the studio wanted some scenes with female characters, but those scenes are the weakest in the film, in my opinion.
@@zingzangspillip1Yeah, I agree, those scenes did not move the ball forward. That's a good point about all men, but what I really had in mind was that it was a military-based story with little action. It's character-driven. And it's set in WWII; the last WWII film per IMDB, Dunkirk, was released in 2017; not long before that, there were multiple WWII films per year. For those reasons, I doubt that book could attract a film deal today.
@@sounderdavis5446 You make an interesting point. I immediately thought of '1917', which is obviously a WWI film, but I think there is little distinction between the two wars when it comes to cinema. However, that movie is full of action, and is literally about two guys running from one place to another. Very different to The Caine Mutiny.
One thing about those scenes. There isn't anything wrong with them, really. It's just that the movie isn't really about Keith, he is the audience's representative. Robert Francis does a good job in the movie, but the movie is really about the interplay between Bogart, Johnson and MacMurray, and anytime they aren't on screen, the story doesn't move forward, as you said.
Man oh man, what a movie.
The one scene in the movie I wish was twice as long!
In the Novel, Wouk makes it more clear - that the wine is "yellow" and that the reference was to the "old yellow-stain" mockery which had been coined by Keefer earlier in the book. It's a fantastic insult - the real yellow-stain aboard the Caine was, in fact, Keefer.
This is a movie you have to see more than once..
I think Mr. Keefer had at least some idea what he’d done as indicated by his exchange with Mr. Merrick earlier in the scene:
“I didn’t think you’d have the guts to show up.”
“I didn’t have the guts not to.”
Keefer did not have the courage to not show up at the party as this might reveal his cowardice in the trial (when people talked about his absence). He instead showed up at the celebrations, intending to slip under the radar because he knew Merrick was forever forgiving everyone.
Easily one of the best scenes and movie endings in film history. So many quotable lines in a scene just a few minutes long.
"No you go ahead. You're telling it better."
"Here's to the real author of the Caine mutiny."
"If you wanna do anything about it I'll be outside. I'm a lot drunker than you are, so it'll be a fair fight."
Now, that's a mic drop.
There is a line that comes up before this, part of the scene that makes the scene a even little more interesting.
Greenwald: "I defended you, Steve, because I found the wrong man was on trial." We then hear the rest of the speech, and then he says: "And now we come to the man who should have stood trial. Mister Keifer!"
A brilliant verbal emasculation performed by a grand master thespian.
Just a brilliant scene and a great movie.
Facts
my god, such good acting, they don't make them like this anymore.
Great scene
For new and upcoming actors this scene should be mandatory practice. It's one of the best film endings ever made. They don't write dialogue like this anymore.
There's a lot to think about in this short sequence of film. Both concerning the movie and real life, plus the marvelous acting of Fred MacMurray especially. He was indeed more than his character in Double Indemnity
Greenwald is wrong about Queeg. A Captain doesn't require pats on the back or encouragement from his crew to do the job. As for loyalty, a man who rains fire and brimstone on his crew for minor errors, but always has a scapegoat for his own failures, is not someone who inspires loyalty. How many marines died because of Queeg's yellowstain incident? He should have been relieved and court-martialed for that fiasco.
He is right about Keefer though.
An officer's job is to support his captain and lead his division or department. The XO's job is to ensure the captain has a sounding board, so that he can be at his best, with his crew, to question in private and support in public. Any officer who had issue with the captain should have brought his concerns to the XO and, ultimately the captain. They lacked the leadership to approach the captain and discuss the issues at hand and offers suggestions to fix it. They failed to exercise leadership to unify the command and act as a team. They failed to act as officers. They failed to be leaders, in the absence of sound leadership by the captain. They failed to try to help the captain be at his best. His failures are their failures, because it was their duty to see that the ship succeeded in its mission. The captain is ultimately responsible for the ship, but they each share that responsibility as part of his wardroom.
He stole the movie...One of the greatest supporting roles ever.
Queeg probably wouldn’t have accepted any help. He had too much pride
Note Van Johnson with no make-up to cover his real life scar in the forehead, consequence of an automobile accident when he was a contract player with MGM. The scar was carefully concealed while working for that studio doing musicals.
You see this movie and you will never forget it.
Jose Ferrer 'was one of the most celebrated and esteemed Hispanic-American actors-or, indeed, actors of any ethnicity-during his lifetime and after, with a career spanning nearly 60 years between 1935 and 1992.'
In the trivia section of Lawrence of Arabia over at IMDB, there’s an interesting bit I’m sure you’ll appreciate.
Peter O’Toole said he learned more from Mr Ferrer about acting in the few days they filmed together than all his years in drama school.
Great film of a great book.
Another fine bit of acting.
Everyone posting here about the actors points out the spectacular job Jose Ferrer and Humphrey Bogart did, and I emphatically agree. BOTH should’ve been at least NOMINATED for Oscars (Bogart was, but lost to Marlon Brando).
But let’s not forget the great performance of Fred “Keefer” MacMurray.
I'm still looking for those strawberries 🍓 🍓
Easy to find what happened to them...talk to the mess boys, they'll know.
I proved, using geometric logic, that your dog ate them.
@@tacoheadmakenzie9311 🤣🤣🤣🍓🍓🍓
In real life, Greenwald staggers up to Keefer, slurs "'I'm a lot fighter than you are, so it'll be a fair drunk...hic." Then he throws up on Keefer's shoes.
LOL!
😂
If I ever have the opportunity to take part in a play about the court-martial, I'd want the Barney Greenwald role.
Worked for a general once just like Queeg. Little man with a Napoleon complex but his initials were BIG. Real paranoid pain in the butt that never made it past two star, Thank God. He was in charge of A Million Civilians as we used to say.
Must have done something right. You don't get stars out of a box of crackerjack.
Great movie even if this little speech isn't right. Love this film, great cast.
So, they've done a remake. It's called The Caine Mutiny Court-Martial.
I really, really hope that they do Wouk's study of officers' leadership and condemnation of his own trade the justice it deserves.
They're attempting it with 'one boot off' so to speak because Jose Ferrar has long since passed away. While Bogey ate up the film footage [and did a Hell of a job at it], I really believe that Ferrar was the star of the movie.
I've seen it. Has some good performances. But it missed the mark, that Keifer was the real architect of the Caine Mutiny.
what a great movie
I liked how after Greenwald threw the yellow champagne at Keefer. He issued a physical challenge to Keefer and stormed out. The other officers waited a few seconds to see how Keefer would respond and when he just stood there. It was right there and then that everyone saw him just as a coward. Yellow as Keefer made Captain Queeg out to be.
Greenwald had to overcome his natural disinclination to throw the champagne at Keefer as doing this was against his principles. Then, in not wanting to have an advantage, he provided Keefer an opportunity to defend his 'honor', despite that Greenwald, being half-drunk and with a bandaged wrist, may not have won the fistfight.
The group stood in silence because they were processing the information that there was a rat in their ranks who had set up the entire incident. They walked out together because of what Keefer had done in being treacherous, but they didn't walk out because Keefer did not accept the fistfight challenge. In fact, the only 'guts' Keefer showed in the entire film was when he decided not to accept the challenge and to accept the permanent loss of face.
Que buena pelicula! Medio siglo y aun se mantiene en el tiempo.
I personally thought the captain was cracked up from the beginning .
LOL Greenwald (who wasn't there at the time) makes a big point about Queeg 'asking them for help' and them all ignoring him and ridiculing him instead. So.... after weeks of Queeg banging the desk, screaming 'My way or the highway!' and belittling them all, one barely comprehensible mumbled show of vulnerability was supposed to turn the whole management culture of the ship around 180 degrees? Uh-uh. Way too little, way too late.
DeShawn 'Dawg' BNBG Greenwald had a guilty conscience
Greenwald is correct. The crew was disrepectful and actred like jerks towards Queeg from day one.
@@munninn3823 Finally, one guy here gets it right!
@@johnd2442 The officers could have done more but they couldn't have stopped the captain from giving orders or disobeying them (as with the dye-marker incident). It was only with the hurricane that his eccentric personality became a danger to the ship and Maryk would have had to intervene even if nothing had happened prior to the captain's becoming incapacitated on the bridge. Maryk knew that maintaining 'fleet course' would sink the ship: only by steering into wind could the ship survive the sea-conditions, so the captain had to be disobeyed, no matter what.
I don't think you get how the chain of command works, especially in the armed forces.
After this Fred MacMurray didn't publish a novel or marry a movie star but he used Jack Lemmon's apartment for quickies.
Fred McMurray was the villain here, but was a great dad, with My 3 sons
strangely Dennis the Menace's father was in this scene too.
...he was an absent minded professor, and a murderous insurance salesman also...
Fred McMurray channeled his Double Indemnity for this role, complete with throat swallow.
No, you go ahead. You’re telling it better. Barney was kinda tight.
What’s kind of interesting is that the scene in the movie- where Queeg asks for help- is absent from the novel.
Was a similar desire for help reflected at all in the novel? I only just watched the movie, I kind of want to read the book now.
Flaif No there wasn’t in the novel. In the novel, Greenwald is angry at discrediting Queeg because he has respect for the military- the military that was in place when Hitler started killing his Jewish family members in Europe. So he didn’t want to be trashing a captain, even an incompetent one. I’m over simplifying a bit but that’s it more or less. You should read it. The dialogue in the book is very realistic and fun to read.
@@tommym321 Thanks, maybe I'll read it one of these days.
Do you think they should remake this? As a mini-series? Like you said, some great dialogue and situations that the movie leaves out.
Matthew Gallagher I’d sure watch it! It would be nice to see a more period appropriate rendering
Queeg was suffering battle fatigue. But the crew made the mistake of collectively ganging-up against him, which made his paranoia worse. As a result, during the typhoon, Queeg refused to follow the advice of his senior officers, believing they were out to destroy his career by having the ship break orders (as to which compass direction to follow). This is why Greenwald said it was the crew that had actually endangered the ship -- by putting Queeg into such a state of mind that regardless of what they said and the circumstances, Queeg would refuse to believe them.
Fix that collar LT!
I always wondered what would of happened to Captain Queeg? I suspect he would been assigned a desk job. Since no one was hurt " Physically." The Navy could of buried it.
Butchery. This clip cuts out Lt. Barney Greenwald entering the room where the Caine officers are celebrating.
Yes! That was so well done too!. The officers of the Caine in happy celebration!
Well he was tight. Wasn't a good look.
Whoever the technical advisor was he screwed up by giving two of the officers "who were safe under the umbrella the captain provided" have Purple Hearts in their ribbon racks...
Mr. Arrogant Lawyer wasn't there, and didn't know how unbalanced Queeg was.
He eventually became mentally unbalanced while aboard, but they gave him a lot of help getting to that point.
As someone who has taught and practiced law, and served in the military, Mr. Arrogant Lawyer is correct. This was not a civilian trial. If the officers passing judgement had known about Queeg's request for help, and the subsequent refusal of the other officers to at least try to comply, this outcome would have been different.
Sliced him to ribbons with his words.
😂😂😂😂😂😂 one of the favorite scene in movies of all time only Casino with Joe Pesci an Deniro compete with this scene.
An exit like a boss !!
This always felt so forced. The guy cracked. Period. In more ways than one, subjecting his crew and every soldier that relied on his sound judgment to danger at worst, wasteful activity during wartime at best.
Then this scene is just shoe horned in out of nowhere, as if it weren't culturally acceptable at the time to truly declare a military man unfit.
Was he a good man before? Sure. A great officer? That's how he got to captain. And that's all irrelevant.
He got here. Now. He needed to be relieved, and he's frankly lucky it didn't happen in combat. He can still retire with full honors, because his XO didn't wait till he got half the crew killed before getting him out of there.
Psst...its a movie.
There's a weakness in the novel and in the picture whereby there could have been no way that even loyal officers could have covered for Queeg's behaviour in the the typhoon by letting him maintain fleet course in following seas and winds that were overwhelming the ship. Only by seizing command and steering into wind could Maryk have kept the "Caine" from sinking.
@@andrewpovinelli2786 ppssst. Sometimes, movies make sense.
@@None-zc5vg Agreed
While I do believe he is right about Keefer, I do think his assessment of Queeg was wrong.
Queeg proved to be a hypocrite from day one. He screamed at his officers for having a crewman with their shirt tail out. But, at the very same moment, he ran his ship over a tow line, cut it and lied to cover it up.
Do you think that's going to inspire loyalty?
As 2nd in command i would of had a key made And wore it on a necklace during trial lol
Which is why you would never be the XO.
@@jeffnettleton3858 You would make a good ship captain...on 3-hour tours...
Bogey's films were the best. when men were real men
Queeg was incompetent. Nice speech but Van Johnson saved a lot of innocent crew members.
Ferrer stole the movie.
What a voice..never seen the movie..love to hear him tell me..your a poor excuse for a former sailor !!!!
This is a terrific scene, but I like the book even better. In it Greenwald says that Queeg and the other regular military "stopped Hermann Goering from washing his fat behind with my mother." This final scene, both in the book and the movie, turns the movie on its head. An M. Night Shalleman kind of twist.
As a kid this scene ruined the movie. As an adult it clarifies everything 🫡
This scene was only done to please the navy. Queeg certainly needed to be relieved. He was unworthy of command before he stepped on the Caine. The officers did nothing wrong
Let me tell you, we were tough in though days, we didn't take crap.
That... was acting.
Brutal scene however it was more brutal in the play.
Well well
He did still put the ship in danger…
Savage
The reason it was like shooting fish in a barrel is because Queeg was really nuts.
Greenwalde was wrong here. Queeg was to blame for turning his officers against him, by constantly displaying incompetence and insanity. It got to the point where they simply couldn't put up with it any more.
I love how he crashes their party .drunk, and proceeds to rip into them about loyalty,respect and what a bunch of lowlife hypocrites they are.Somebody should have asked him that after the war that when he went back to private practice would he be living by is so called righteous morality by defending rapist,murders,corrupt politicians no matter how many zero,s are behind the check. Or they could have reminded him that he was doing the job the navy was paying him for him to do and showed him the door
@@snowblind9065 The book goes more into his background. He wasn't a criminal lawyer in civilian practice, he did civil law. He wasn't even a lawyer in the Navy, he was a pilot . He got injured in a crash and was ordered to defend Maryk.
@@snowblind9065 To go off topic, the kinds of people have a constitutional right to be defended in court. You can’t blame the lawyers for what they have to do
Spoken like someone who was never an officer in the US military. Part of a junior officer's responsibility is to see that the crew functions as a unit, in support of the captain's leadership and help provide leadership where they captain may be lacking. They weren't willing to take the responsibility for the ship and the crew, until the situation was dire and they were well past the point of turning back.
@@jeffnettleton3858 In addition to all the cowardice, incompetence, and dishonesty displayed by Queeg, he also disregarded all the advice his officers ever offered him. He made it so that it was impossible for them to support him. Their only mistake was not reporting him when they had the chance.
Damn......
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