Lechmere and the Whitechapel Murders (all of them) - Part 5
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This is the fifth and final part of a short series in which Edward Stow examines all the outrages contained in the Whitechapel Murder files, and a few more besides.
Edward Stow explores the connection between Charles Lechmere and all of the unsolved murderous attacks in the East End from 1888 to 1891, including the infamous Jack the Ripper crimes.
In this episode, Edward Stow examines the crimes that followed on from the canonical murders... Annie Farmer, Rose Mylett, Alice McKenzie, the Pinchin Street Torso and Francis Coles.
NB - a slight error was made in the edit and the Rose Mylett murder is out of sequence. It should have been discussed before the Alice McKenzie murder and not after.
This is the most erudite and in depth investigation I have seen on these murders. Thank-you for presenting these different facets.
Thank you
Everything in my gut told me for years the torso murders were Jack the Rippers doing . You lay it out in perfect detail and Lechmere's possible connections.!!! Bravo! Great research!
See my latest film on the Torso Murders
Here's another coincidence, both Lechmere and the Yorkshire Ripper were delivery drivers.
I've spent 30 years on the Kennedy assassination, and geography plays a much lesser role in that case. As a novice to the Jack the Ripper case, your work with getting the geography into an easily understandable factor is invaluable. I applaud your efforts sir, and continue to binge on your channel's contents.
Thank you! Keep watching.
Good work with the map. Nice work logically fitting the pieces together. Wish we had your help on the Black Dahlia case.
The thought that they had a cat meat business reminds me of the sweeney todd story.
And just that you and everyone here knows, I am a hard and fast agnostic when it comes to suspects in this case. But you come as close as anyone to convincing me. Well done, sir.
I just watched it again and realised that I made an error in editing the film. I put the Rose Mylett case after Alice McKenzie instead of before.
Nobody's perfect.
Assumed it was just an oversight.
Fantastic. I had never even considered this connection
Thanks for uploading another episode! Love your narrative and channel. Keep them coming.
Hey Ed, French Toast has a new video about Lechmere. It's pretty good but he left out the most important fact. When Paul arrives at the body there is no blood. When Neil arrives at the body there is blood. And Lechmere is standing in the middle. Cheers!
I think you're right. It's him.
You really are a clever guy for linking the two I had never even heard of the torso murders and it does all fit like a glove I'm totally booked and convinced those poor ladies must be thanking you from the grave xxx it takes a brave man to stand up and voice your opinions when they are new and controversial so Thank you very much x
Fascinating first 5 episodes on the Whitechapel murders which uncovers many facts I had not heard before. Excellent research.
Is there any sample of Lechmere's handwriting that can be compared to the 'Dear Boss' letter? A signature, maybe? A graphologist could definitely pick up on tell tale traits and similarities. Keep up the great work! I binge watch your videos repeatedly!
From USA I’ve been fascinated by Jack the Ripper since I was 12 and read a rag sheet on it and it scarred the living daylights out of me. I agree that lechmere is the best suspect. Great research. Thanks so much.
YES--unfortunately, he has WorldWide infamy
H H Holmes the documentary sounded more likely it was found apparently it wasn't
Just found something interesting, NO. 29, HANBURY STREET The window of the ground-floor room in the front has a pair of green shutters, and the apartment is used as a cat’s-meat shop. On the right of this shop there is a narrow door opening into a passage about 3ft. wide and 20ft. long, leading down two stone steps into a yard at the back. The flooring of this passage is bare and rough; the doors, at each end, have no locks; and there is nothing to prevent anyone knowing the ways of the place to walk from the street into the yard.
Note: Cat meat shop
meat for cats to eat. and?
@@ashd-h4911 Just that this activity might have a bearing on the murders. There is every indication that JTR was possibly a horse slaughterer, could this address be connected in some way.
@@almklit Apsolutely relevant
There's an old 60s filmed documentary on YT with the actor James Mason presenting. He visits the ACTUAL 29 Hanbury Street house where it happened +it was still standing in the 60s presumably), he goes out the back to the yard you talk about. Have a look. None of us will ever see the actual locations because they've all been demolished and built over. But you can still see that one on film...
My guess is cutting throats was the first order of business because it prevents screaming. Silence of the Lambs.
The reason Jack the Ripper is so exciting and interesting to question is because we all know it’ll never be solved and we will never actually know who did it definitively but we all want to try and figure it out.
Yes, while I think Lechmere is the best candidate, from what I've seen, I won't lose sleep if the guy isn't. So many potential psychotic buggers stalking the slums of London back then. Moreover, CSI, forensics, surveillance, DNA, and street lighting were either utter crap by our standards or non-existent.
@@SMC01ful WE HAVE HIM
Excellent work, thank you.
The revelation...that Lechmere, once lived at 13 Thomas Street, (now Pinchin), in 1861 as a young child, simply cannot be said, that that is, a viable coincidence, that a Thames Torso Murder victim...was to be found in the almost exact location...years later. Wow. That simply cannot be mere coincidence. Too many 'coincidences', occur with this Lechmere fellow. I also noticed a building at 4 Pinchin Street, labeled 'Pinchin and Johnson 1859'. Surely Lechmere would have been familiar with the building as a child. I want to figure a way to verify, if that building once had a 'Thomas' address. For the name Pinchin is actually engraved into the building. Who is this Pinchin fellow? And Johnson fellow for that matter. Might they have been alive when Lechmere was a child...and he knew them? All very strange indeed. I find it highly unlikely...that Lechmere, and The Thames Torso Murderer...are not one and the same. Just too close for comfort. Especially when one adds all the other 'coincidences'...to the equation. Sure...the MO was a bit different between Ripper and Torso killer...but if one considers that the purpose of the murders, was strictly to 'sell' body parts to medical personnel...then it makes perfect sense. Sometimes medical personnel wanted a uterus. Sometimes they may have wanted a leg...or head. The murderer didnt care which body part he was selling. He just chose the part he could get paid for. Money seems to be the motive in these killings. Thimk about it. A desperate time in Londons history. Poor people all around. Medical personnel willing to keep their mouths shut about any body parts one brings to them. It is a cash cow. Kill the poor prostitutes...that no one would care about, (however the people did end up caring), or so he thought...a make a buck. I read that Lechmer actually ended up later in years, a relatively 'wealthy' man. Hmmmm. How did he manage that? All very strange and dodgy.
I don't think he did it for money but the gratification of his serial killing urges. The parts he took may have been trophies. With Mary Kelly, he left the parts arranged around the body. Where did the money come from? He had wealthy relations and also ran a shop, later.
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31:17 I don't get this part. Are you saying the torso started to smell but the legs/head not? Where would he hide those other body parts? A woman's head must have been spotted among horse meat, hmm...
Maybe the head was cut off and disposed of first. None of the heads were found... but they would sink and not float.
The legs were clearly disposed of separately.
Very good that Ed, well researched and presented. One of my criteria for JTR is that he would likely be either a Horse Slaughterer or Butcher or someone with Field Dressing skills. It was interesting to note the Cat meat business which Lechmere was associated with, I have come across before; that is a good lead and so is the story surrounding the Pinchin street Torso, that too is compelling. I have often thought they were connected. I wonder if any Cats ended up eating some of the victims parts. As regards Sadler I reckon he may have got away with murder.
Very well put together Ed ..
This is excellent work.
Were the pubs open 24/7 around the time of the murders ? I think the licensing laws were changed because of the 1st world war ?
I love your videos on this subject. Is there a woman with you while filming? There is a faint voice of a woman between like 17:30 - 17:50 mark. Sounds like she's saying "he likes me" or "he lied to me."
Spooky
I believe Lechmere must have known these women in some form or another. I also don't believe they are random either, they seem to be well thought out and calculated.
My partner and I went on a jack the ripper tour a few days ago, perfect for the tourist with little or no knowledge, a real money maker. At the end off the night I asked the guide who they thought it was, to that she replied Kosminski. My heart sank, she went on to say, there's been no real good evidence put forward in the last twenty years, to the possible I.D of jack the ripper. I then at that moment realised that the Jack the ripper community are a closed bunch with no scope to think outside the box. I was a little disappointed with the tour. Although it was an incredible experience to walk those streets. I believe Lechmere is responsible. And soon I believe it will be proved beyond a shadow of a doubt. By the way, I watch all these videos and greatly appreciate them.👍
Thanks!
When I compare Jack the ripper to modern serial killers I find it a good thought experiment to ask, could we've solved BTK 100 years after he stopped killing? I highly doubt it, Dennis Rader could've easily disappeared into the annels of history. When you're trying to uncover Jack the Ripper you are ripping apart history trying to pick through every grain of sand, every little detail. When you look at it that way the fact that we have a suspect as good as Charles Alan Lechmere is pretty stunning.
BTK was caught due to him sending in a floppy disc! So it's unlikely he would have been caught in 1888.
There are many unsolved serial killing cases in the UK
Great video once again. Did he live a relatively normal life after the last murder he was connected with? Like you said I think he stopped killing because he was getting older? Any ideas where he may have been buried ? Any info on him later in life? Cheers ✌🏼
I think he continued to about 1899.
He's buried locally...
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 thank you
EXCELLENT--FOR YEARS , i WAS SOLD ON THE 1980'S BOOK ''THE RIPPER AND THE ROYALS''. simply because of the unswered mystery till then, how the ripper could do such 'Bloody' deeds, without being plastered in blood himself. because the claim was, that the carve-ups occured in a Hansom Cab, which was also his escaped mode, and washed out later. Being involved with Carting raw Horsemeat from a slaughterhouse to meat markets , was THE answer,
Except for the fact that you don't know that that's the way it happened. There's no proof that JTR worked at a slaughterhouse and did his killing while out delivering meat. Maybe he did, but it's going to take more than just speculation.
@@Jay-tk7ib You must be new to the case. Nobody ever said it can be PROVEN. If that was the case then there would no longer be a mystery. You forget that this happened in the late 1800s and we will never be able to prove it. The entire point of this video series is to come up with the most likely scenario, which involves speculation. Lechmere is by far the best suspect in the case. I see you constantly making comments on these threads and many times you have been asked to show evidence for ANY other suspect that would make them more likely than Lechmere, yet you have never answered any of those questions. Why is that? I suggest you sit down and do some actual research instead of trolling and pretending that you somehow know more than everybody else on this case.
@@roylavecchia1436 Your understanding is lacking. First of all, I have posted many times on suspects I think to be more credible than Lechmere. I guess you just happened to overlook those posts. I'm not new to the case, I just think that when you guys use such definite language for Lechmere being the Ripper, you should show more than just speculation. If you give your ideas as speculation, then that's different, but not everyone does that. It doesn't take great wisdom to discount Lechmere, all it takes is a little common sense, which, sadly, seems to be missing in our world today. By the way, when I'm ready to sit down and shut up, it will be due to my own choosing, not by yours.
@@Jay-tk7ib So, you're not only arrogant and ignorant, but bloody stupid too. So it's pointless talking to a turd.
@@Jay-tk7ib As stated in the TV documentary, from which this YT series was instigated, the Scotland Yard advisor stated ,' Today, the weight of evidence revealed with modern techniques and computerised monitoring, Lechmore would have been in the dock, and almost certainly condemned.
It would be interesting to know what his job description was at Pickfords. & whether it played a role in aiding or concealing the murders?
Officially ? A Carter, loading horse drawn Carts with animal Carcases, then delivering them to the meat markets of London, Having blood on his person and clothes, would not be suspicious would it ?
I have say that I made the previous comment while watching the series out of order. Having watched it in order so far I am far more interested in Lechmere as a suspect than I was. Obviously, despite Patricia Cornwell's assertion to the contrary, any case to be made can only be circumstantial. But you make the best case that I've encountered so far. Lechmere has moved from the bottom middle of my list of probable suspects to at or very near the top. No question this time. Sorry for pestering you with so many.
Known: Lechmere was the Ripper,.. He killed Martha Tabram as well. His M.0. evolved becoming more full of carnage over time.
He killed but didn't slit Tabrahm's throat.
He killed and slit the throat of Nicole, Chapman, Stride and Eddowes.
He mutilated Kelly.
He cut the victims of the torso murders into several parts.
I have no idea either way if he wrote any of the letters. There could have been some missed Torso victims. Also what caused him to stop killing.
This is literally as close as you can get without going back in a Time Machine and catching him in the act or getting a confession.
Conclusion: Charles Lechmere was Jack the Ripper and the case hase been solved
Known: Lechmere was the Ripper. He killed Martha Tabram as well. His M.0. evolved becoming more full of carnage over time.He killed but didn't slit Tabrahm's throat. He killed and slit the throat of Nicole, Chapman, Stride and Eddowes. He mutilated Kelly.
He killed and cut the victims of the torso murders into several parts. Unknown: I have no idea either way if he wrote any of the letters. There could have been some missed Torso victims. Also what caused him to stop killing.
This is literally as close as you can get without going back in a Time Machine and catching him in the act or getting a confession.
Conclusion: Charles Lechmere was Jack the Ripper and the case hase been solved
"Senility" can also mean merely "old age", not solely "senile dementia".
Why would he have changed his MO? Why did he stop killing?
He didn't stop
@@thehouseoflechmere9407chills
Just brilliant edd
Enjoying the series. This may have been asked, but do you have a theory why the letters from Jack would have stopped?
Probably very very few of the letters were from him
Charles Lechmere is certainly a very intresting character indeed.
Anyone heard of the Cleveland torso murders quite simula
That was a crazy series. Wasn't Ness involved with that?
Loonatics will often copy their heroes
With regards Fransis Coles, she wasn't strangled before the throat cut. Neither, by what you have said, was strangulation attempted. I don't know how far that takes us in terms of whether we should count out Letchmere. What's to say he always strangled first?
Yes - I'm not sure about Francis Coles
A very interesting series. Thank you. It sort of blows Aaron Kosminsky out of the water.
Kosminski was only fingered because back then people didn't realise that serial killers tend to be outwardly normal, not lunatics slobbering in the gutter.
Why did Lechmere stop killing? Did he stop killing?
He eventually stopped probably due to old age
Could have become impotent as most serial killings are sexual in nature, as in the killer has a stonking hardon while doing it whether they use it or not on the victim. But once the ability to become aroused is gone, the urge to kill is also gone. There was no viagra in those days.
🤦♂ Very obvious that you "acquire" your "general knowledge" LOL from watching mainstream TV shows for which the target audience is braindead normies.
GREAT LOGICAL CONNECTION!!!!
I still say jack had some medical knowledge or he cut up animals for a living, from top medical doctors of the time said given the time the ripper had to kill then cut up and take out the kidneys ,heart etc etc only a skilled man could of done this ,plus he would of done all this in the dark, so did lechmere have these skills , i dont know but id of though id of heard by now LoL after reading five or six ripper books.
Fancy a game of chess ?
I thought lechmere was jack the ripper also but what made him stop all of a sudden? Wouldn't a serial killer of been most likely to continue these murders if he was a serial killer? Has anybody ever thought that it might of been a police officer that committed all the murders? It might not be lechmere. Your sure about that? A guy that attacked me turned out to be a serial killer. Luckily they caught him and his dad who is also a serial killer. I hope they never let either of them out of jail.
Serial.killers do stop but continue watching. I do t think be did for some time.
hold on, theres more to come
BTK stopped for like two decades
Why weren't these other attacks ever considered jack the ripper murders?
They are by some. There is a lot of debate on the matter. If it happened now they would all be considered likely.
The police in 1888 wanted it over as it was costing senior officers their jobs
"Cats meat business" ??
You’ve never had a cats meat?
He was seen by a Jew on the night of the double event. He left the message in chalk maybe to throw suspicion onto the witness. Wouldn't be the first time he tried to throw suspicion onto a person who had witnessed him. Classic over thinking of a guilty mind.
He was seen by multiple Jewish witnesses and he knew it this would have massively irritated him and caused him to project guilt onto Jews with the graffiti in goulston street makes absolute sense to me
What is wrong with the audio, very low.
I find the 'Lipski" graffiti very interesting in connection to the Whitechapel murders. Still not convinced that it was Lechmere or that the cases were connected, but this is only the second video I've watched so far. Still, fascinating and well presented.
Lechmere is the only one, ever caught, standing of a corpse etc etc etc
He wud if known men who work in abbatoirs they do similar hours and have specialist knives
I really enjoyed this! nice bit of geo profiling also!
Surely this chap is a spree killer and not a serial killer as there's groupings of murders and then a long break.
It depends which murders you include
As an irrelevant aside I find it strange that the cat meat business was so big in those days. You wouldn't have thought dirt poor Eastenders would have been able to afford to keep a pet, or even care if one was well fed.
Perhaps that tells you that most weren't as dirt poor as some propagandists imply (alongside the numerous pubs and music halls).
Cats essential for vermin control pretty much working cats
I think keeping cats was to keep rodents down, ( same on farm and where food and flour was stored ) cats had to earn their keep. The meet sold was left over from slaughter knackers yard “ horse meat” Bits that humans would not eat .👍
18:40 i was driving in my car. That scared the shit out of me. What is that noise😂
U go 4 lechmere because he was seen by Paul near the body of the first victim but if the police officer who discovered the body was correct and it was 3.45 am it leaves even less time 4 him to commit the murder and he was known by the name cross by his employer but its paul who try's to avoid the police and how do we not know that paul may not of been wrong or even doubled back its paul who has to b searched 4 by the police and tries to avoid the authorities
These days the Ripper would use Whatsapp or Tinder to get victims.
the ripper could of been about at that time maybe he would wait until he found a victim (maybe he was distracted during the night and around the time he ussually murders) and plus its only 5 hours after some of the major ripper murders have taken place so i say its certainly possible that he messed this one up and ran maybe got too brazen and confident it certainly is around the official ripper timeline about the first one you talked about
serial killers like to revisit the area or scenes of there crimes too so its definately possible that all this was him especially since his first victim or one of the previous victims was living in the house of one these victims and the same street of the other too much of a coincidence
in the military amputations were a common practice especially in the victorian/american civil war era and earlier and later could he have a military background in the navy this was common practice too even in the 1700s/napoleonic this was common practice for military surgeons and navy surgeons this would allow for sufficient anatomical knowledge(possibly more than enough ) in all murders you have spoken about
now for your suspect if has a gap in his life before the ripper murders he could of been there but this also means that he could of been a common sailor or infantrymen because i believe military/naval surgeons would also enlist the help of common sailors whenever needed and even promote them to assistants of them (this happend according to a surgeons account aboard of hms victory during trafalger which also is a documentary th-cam.com/video/Kv89XG1uemU/w-d-xo.html )
ps your theory is the most detailed and best ive seen i would have arrested him but i still wonder how he was able to run in a area after the second murder on the night of the double murder he must have had a disguise maybe as a police officer (as the police was swarming the area at that point as they discovered the body by this point) especially after hearing your evidence with the grafitti and bloody rag
How old was Lechmere when he died?
About 70
Thank you. Found it after I messaged. Very interesting and well presented videos.
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 The picture of him which is often shown ? Is it a crop of a larger picture and do we know anything about the circumstances where and for that matter when the picture was taken .Another agnostic here but you present a compelling argument .
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It was almost certainly taken by a family member outside his house when he was in his 60s.
There is a similar picture of his wife.
It is full length - less his feet.
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 Thank you .Very interesting series .I remember being told (whilst doing the family history )of my Grandmother `s older sister visiting in London at that time .The family were concerned because her nickname was Polly which (or so I was told ) was a common name for a street worker .At least they believed it to be so .
He's doing it in difrent ways, police had no imagination
If it was lecmere why did he stop because he lived a long time after the murders
I believe he carried on for several more years. But in any case it is now known that serial killers do stop.
Why didn't inspectors ask his household about what time he left his house? Or did they?
It is extremely unlikely that the police ever followed up on him - they never even discovered his true name.
I think you may be veering off course here. If the first torso murder was in 87, you're suggesting that he interrupted a very fully formed M.O. and adopted another one...which went thru an arc of fledgling to fully realized with Kelly. Then save for a couple of less elaborate attacks, reverted back to the torso M.O. Serial killers don't really work like that...as you've previously pointed out. No?
Serial killers don't always follow a set pattern though. Some change their MOs, some even stop killing. Its not all written and established.
It could be that the torso murders were ones he did in his own premises whether it's where he lived or place of business or somewhere that it could be traced back to him. He did kill them in the same way as the ripper victims but to get rid of the bodies, he had to cut off the head and limbs to be able to carry them out without being seen. Whereas the traditional ripper victims were on random streets or in her own place as in Mary Kelly, so he could just leave them as the were. Since it would have no connection to him, so there was no need to dismember them.
As in, "Serial Killing For Dummies"?
There’s another good documentary that says it was definitely Arron Kominsky
I recently heard that his DNA was found on the scarf of one of his suspected victims
I think emily horsnail murdered in november 1887 should be looked at because i believe she was a victim of jack the ripper
This is all very compelling, but why would anyone murder somebody on their way to work? I'm not sure anyone would murder & then mutliate somebody and then casually head off to work. Also when he arrives at work he's going to presumably still have the blood on him and the knife?
That's the part I can't quite wrap my head around, and the biggest reason I don't think its Lechmere.
It's obvious JTR was seriously deranged...a psychopath. Yet you expect him to behave same as a "normal" person. SMH 🤦♂ 🤦♂
I agree with you .this killer fitting a lustmurder in on his way to work is pretty ludicrous
@@crystallineblue4344 Serial killers act like normal people 99.5% of the time otherwise they get caught. If the profile for JTR is correct he was a local, he would have been interviewed at least once by police, if he came across as seriously deranged he would have been caught fairly easily.
I think you're the murder, it's the perfect crime, just blame it on someone else when it was you the whole time!
My theory is Lechmere may have suffered from Disassociative Identity Disorder. The causes for this are the same as sociopathic behaviors, but are less likely in men and are due to a genetic predisposition. Perhaps more than one 'alter' was homicidal and this was reflected in the different M.O. of the torso murders. Frequently those with multiple personalities have a dominant personality and many lie dormant for extended periods of time...which could easily explain why the Ripper murders stopped. Or did they? The Strange Case of Doctor Jekyll and Mr. Hyde was in the London Theater only weeks before the first Ripper murder. Was this a trigger? Was the closing of the brothels in 1887 another trigger..for the torso murders? When looked in this context it becomes plausible.
🤣 You "think" education and schooling are synonymous don't you? 🤣
At the very least, I think Lechmere should be In any one's Top 10 list. He certainly comes across as the sort of every day, unassuming, bland bloke most psycho killers seem to be. He's just part of the scenery. Crime scene analysis was freaking poor, profiling was non-existent; furthermore, so what the torso's seemed different from the Rippers' other work? Whoever this asshole was, he wasn't a serial killer, but a spree killer, they are more likely to chop and change their mode of death delivery.
So, a lot of the analysis about him is pretty flawed. The individual might have been going through a particularly nasty phase, during the Canonical-5 era. Anyhow, while I won't say Lechmere was also the torso culprit, it sure as shit wouldn't surprise me if he was. The Pinchin St stuff is interesting. Regardless, I find it hard not to link the torso and the Ripper murders. Unless the torsos were a med student prank.
Yet again you keep moving away from the microphone making it difficult to hear you sometimes and disturbing the narrative also because you seem strangely prone to mumbling at important moments! Again can't pronounce ascertain :))) Interesting what i could hear, thanks
Thats funny, i had absolutely no problem understanding him
I’m buying in to the narrative that this man did it. But,why?? Why the Mutilation? Why did he take the uterus and other organs from other victims? And if he was just a cart man where did he learn his knife skills? How did he learn his knowledge of anatomy? And where did he find the time to do this?? This guy had 12 kids! I have five and I barely have enough time to be a serial killer! Lol
He had 11 children and during the Autumn of Terror one had yet to be born. One lived with his mother and one had already died.
So 8 lived in his household. My guess is that his wife performed all those duties - whether he was the Ripper or not.
As for knife skills, his family had long term involvement in the wholesale cat's meat business.
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 why do you think he kept took the various body parts?
@@davesmith7432 I believe the missing organs of the two victims was linked to morticians removing and selling em afterwards because there was good money in it.
Well not to be cheeky, but if you want cat food to have fishy flavor which cat's like, what would you try to get a hold that you think naturally emulates that smell? exactly... sadly!
@@johngarcia1340 lmfao
Interesting and with respect no one will ever know. Many have attempted. Good on you though, but it's simply a case of banging a theory into some known facts.
ok Karen
come on! Charles was just an unremarkable, ordinary local working man!
Probably
Haven't been able to find part 4.
th-cam.com/video/Jy_SblwfkjM/w-d-xo.html
Here it is