Gorilla Youngsters Who Cannot Meet Forever | Gentaro♂ & Annie♀
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I want to be the first to say that my guesses are often off.
and I do not know why the Kyoto City Zoo would like to pair Gentaro with a female gorilla from a foreign zoo instead of a domestic zoo.
However, it is true that the Chiba City Zoo will have a new gorilla breeding facility.
What I would like to see in the new facility is an outside area that is large enough, natural, with grass and trees, and not enclosed in a cage.
I want the gorillas to be able to lie on the grass, bask in the sunlight, feel the breeze, and relax.
The indoor area should also avoid bare concrete and steel as much as possible,
I would like the interior areas to be designed based on the concept of organic design.
By the way, regarding the gorillas at the Higashiyama Zoo, nothing has been made public yet about the future of Shabani's son Kiyomasa or daughter Annie.
If we get any more information, we will share it.
And today, September 21, is the birthday of Lola, a female gorilla at Chiba City Zoological Park. 🎂Please congratulate her.
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I HATE this idea and here’s why. Tayari and Iriki are happy in D’Jeeco’s troop. I would hate either of them to be uprooted from all they know to be breeding machines for Japan. Just the idea makes me want to cry. The distress of separation, the trauma of transport, then a lower standard of care. Plus they’ll be old in gorilla terms by then. I accept that Jabali and Ringo will one day leave their mothers but I want the 2 boys to be together for as long as they are bonded. Why oh why doesn’t Kyoto do the logical and sensible thing of pairing Gentaro and Annie?! It makes no sense! Same age, closer geographically, both adapted to Japans lower standard of care. I’m miserable now.
Just want to add that the way zoos ship animals around the world multiple times is disgusting. We saw what Momotaro experienced when he moved to Kyoto. He’s still traumatised when he sees white helmets. Iriki and Tayari already experienced the pain of separating from their family against their wishes and being flown in a crate across the world. Please don’t put them through it again. :(
If they did do this ( i hope they dont) they would surely have to move tayari, iriki gets stressed and plucks her hair .
@@jaxia-eu6jf Apenheul who own the girls would never allow it. Japan cannot import or export any gorillas because of ethical standards. It's a shit show.
@@sonjavandam1306 really? Sounds like a huge shitshow then. Thanks for the info, appreciate it 👍
@@daisyfontazy423 I never seen that of Momo , you know where the vid is of that?
Thank you for your care and time spent in providing us with this information. To ignore the benefits of uniting Gentaro and Annie doesn't make real sense, and as for splitting up D’jeeco’s troop, that is deplorable. Because zoos in Japan don’t seem to have the space for proper habitat, the captive gorillas suffer, confined to just one or two gorillas or ones put in solitary confinement, like the two mentioned in the video. I am also concerned for Gentaro’s immediate future and see a danger of him staying with Father Momotaro. Let him be with Annie, please!
This is along the lines of what I read myself, however, the last thing I read about 2 months ago, was that there were not enough Staff to take care of what they have now...maybe that's changed...at any rate, they need a facility to get Gentaro out of Kyoto because the time will come where some real harm will happen. He is nearly a silverback now.
Thank you for sharing this otherwise unknown. Would be nice for Annie and Gentaro. Since the others have babies already. Cruel to relocate. An opinion.
he belongs to chiba city zoo tho
Someone had to say it!! Deplorable!! Why take D'jeeco's wives??
It sounds like Japanese zoos are not thinking about what is in the best interest of their own gorillas. Why not put Gentaro and Annie first and find them a place to live together - SOON!
It's a shame we all can't do some kind of petition to get Gentaro and Annie hooked up some how.
I hope they do not make those wrong decisions to separate the family of our beloved D'jecco😢❤❤❤
I know! Djecco and the gals are a good troop. The girls are sisters too! They're too old for Gentaro.😢 Jabali and Ringo are so happy together! I'd hate to see that happy family busted up.😢😢
@@desireerose2861I agree w/you 100%! I hadn’t heard that there were thoughts of splitting them up… have you heard this?
Silver back gorilla D'jeco has wonderful family. Jabaly and Ringo, they are having a joyful life with their parents .So i think Neither Iriki nor Tayari would separate for shake of their kids.
this video makes me cry.😢
I love you Annie❤
Me too!😢
Thank you so much for this video! I was the visitor at the Kyoto zoo in July 2023 (the day the iced fruit was given) and talking to the zoo staff. I was pleased to meet you as well, and to see all of the time and dedication you give when filming your video content. I especially appreciate how you are patient enough to allow other visitors to enjoy viewing the gorillas and then patiently return to your work after they have finished watching. Forever a fan of your good work!
Thank you for your comment.
you are the guy who spoke with Director Sakamoto!
I remember you.
I will continue to post videos about the gorillas, if you would like to watch them!
The fact is that Tayari and Iriki are half-sisters. They grew up together and were transported together too. The family gets along well with each other, with the children and with their male. I don’t understand why they should be separated? Just to cause terrible stress, to break their psyche???
It would be absolutely disgraceful to dismantle the Dejeeco group. Iri & Tay have young boys and the group has finally gotten settled!!!
I don't understand this either, do thay want to take the 2 females away from Dejeeco silver back ? That's so wrong he loves his females..😢😢
They are such a great troop. They both love D’jeeco! I would hate to have their dynamic disrupted. Iriki would pulled more fur out, from stress plus she would miss Tay! Tay is the strongest mentally but geesh, they both love DJ! 💔
Concordo com essas opiniões, a tropa djeeco como está é perfeita
It's not going to happen so don't worry.
It cannot mean one of the current females, but a girl yet unborn that would be of age in that time frame. But in the wild, it is perfectly healthy and normal for a female to leave her weaned child with the silverback and move onto greener pastures. Just seems so unlikely to me though. That Taiwan would hamper their existing effective troop for some other animal. They must mean a girl yet to come.
Kyoto Zoo really needs to consider the more Gentaro grows the more conflict there could be in his troop, Daddy is king, Gentaro will more than likely be big enough to challenge dad (Momotaro) at times possibly leading to fatal results, so before that happens within a couple of years they need to move Gentaro out to breed, to have his own troop, he’s already 12 yrs now, almost in his prime. The Zoo has the money for Christ sakes, it’s all about the Gorillas!
and Genki is still the only female in the troop. He would either be just mating with her or beating the hell out of her if she refuses. I will never believe that Gentaro is ok with being sexually abstinent at this age unless they are giving him medication to surpress his urges.
Gentaro will be 12 in December
@@joe_668i was sexually abstinent as well at that age and didn't have medicihe. It's tough, but doable.
@@alexk9295 Thanks for making me howl with laughter! At least it took my mind of Annie and Gentaro - I love these Gorillas like my own.
They can't keep gentaro with his family much longer, he will most probably be put in a bachelor pad or a enclosure to himself.
You guy’s know what’s best for Gentaro ,Gentaro has so much love to share ,thank you guy’s ❤️
Gentaro and Annie would be an awesome couple...❤❤❤😊
The more you separate these captive gorillas the more you mess them up emotionally physically and mentally... but hey who cares right? Another captive gorilla family to look forward to right? More gorillas to be born and raised in captivity. Absolutely incredible. 😅😂
Gentaro is getting real big and started testing his father's patience, the hormones are just too high! Btw, it's a natural behavior
Yeah and Kyomasa has been turning into a REAL pain! He needs to go somewhere.
Annie and Gentaro would make beautiful gorillas❤❤❤
Thank you for the information and your insight. It’s crazy to think Iriki or Tay would be a mate for Gentaro. I love them all. I couldn’t imagine one of them being taken away from their silverback whom they are accustomed to and have a great bond with them. I always thought Annie would be the best choice. I am happy to know that the other zoo Gentaro is owed by is building a new area for him but 10 years good lord. What are they going to do with him until then. Let him live in isolation like Monta. This will destroy is wonderful social skills. Sounds like Japan has a mess in their hands and it’s in their best interest for find solutions that can take place in the next couple of years. They need to work with more zoo all across the world to make things happen.
I 💯 agree, they do need to use more zoos and stop being so stubborn with it. These gorillas deserve to have their own families, just like their parents have. I think you hit the 🎯 with your comment.
@@lady4volsThinking of Gentaro and one of the D’jeeco girls at Chiba made me sick to my stomach!
@@lady4vols yes, I replied above to the similar situation. Too long for Gentaro-perhaps Djeeco's boys will be the real future as they are only a year old. 12 by the time it's complete.
@@MySkinnydipme too! Tayari is obsessed with her Djeeco 😢
@@MySkinnydipI agree. 😢
These zoos need to think about these issues when they accept these beautiful animals not wait till they are grown and then say opps no room . You have to be responsible owners and think of future generations not just the here and now
thank you for sharing this information with us. I love this family of gorilas, really :))
Magnifico reportaje; os felicito! Una auténtica lástima que no se puedan emparejar a Gentaro con Annie, ya que independientemente que no sean padres, tienen una edad similar y congeniarian muy bien. Ojalá tus predicciones sean erróneas 😮
I agree
Así es todos queremos ña unión de Gentaro y Annis tan similares bella pareja
If Gentaro can’t be with Annie perhaps she can mate with Kintaro in 5 yrs or so. Genki is much older than Momo.
大猩猩是一夫多妻制的, 就算會從海外引進一隻母猩猩跟元太郎配對, 安妮仍可以同時配對. 只是這隻海外母猩猩應該不會是Tayari或是Iriki, 別忘了她們的孩子都還小. 人類別太自以為是, 總是按自己的想法去幫動物配對, 隨便移動他們, 結果造作動物不適應而憂鬱, 一再再的悲劇難道人類仍要堅持己見? 在孩子還小時隨意分開母子, 可能會造成母親跟孩子都不適應而憂鬱, 甚至可能D'jeeco也不能接受. 今年Tayari的兒子Jabali手指受傷, 為了要治療Jabali的手指將他跟媽媽分開獨自一籠, 結果Tayari崩潰尖叫, D'jeeco在戶外撞門, Jabali治療回來後有好一段時間非常敏感緊張, 不時跟隨著媽媽. 在我看來, D'jeecoj家族雖然偶有些小紛爭, 但那是日常生活, 這家族感情很親密, 吃飯睡覺活動都緊密在一起. 老婆跟著老公行動, 小孩睡覺喝奶時跟著媽媽, 玩耍時跟著爸爸. 所以至少在孩子未成年之前, 不能將這家族分開, 否則會造成不可預料的結果.
看到這個影片，我覺得很難過！不敢相信，如果D'jeeco家族被拆散的話，會怎麼樣？一直習慣每天看著D'jeeco的日常，明年春天的畢業旅行也將和學生們一起造訪D'jeeco家族，非期期待！甚至希望還會有新成員的到來，我一直覺得這是台北動物園裡容易被忽略，但卻是最有故事性和教育性的角落之一！我希望D'jeeco家族可以愈來愈旺，愈來愈多人關注和了解猩猩的美麗！
其實，就算真的要移動大猩猩，也要經過歐洲動物園水族館協會的專業評估，並不是只要台北或京都有意願就行。理論上，已經形成的繁殖群通常不會再把牠們拆開，只有在群體中出生的孩子在長大後會被移到其他單位，所以未來比較有可能去國外的應該是Jabali跟Ringo。我曾詢問過荷蘭網友關於Iriki或Tayari會不會再回荷蘭的問題，該網友是認為除非有必要，否則應該不會。
Thank you for answering the questions everyone was asking. Annie is the best choice for Gentaro's mate, in my opinion. Taking females with offspring is not a good solution.
thank you for your comment.
Regardless of the problems i think annie and gentaro would be a good couple, you have to make do with what you have, not what you might have
Yes! What’s the harm of them meeting! They did this with Momoko! She met a few guys before settling with Haoko. They sent her back and forth!
@@MySkinnydip absolutely.
Thank you so very much for all your information it’s a lot to take in 😢😢😢😢 I was hoping Gentaro would be a dad before he was 18,, Gentaro will be a great silverback and a dad to.. I’m also happy the Japan is getting some new blood lines going.. And very happy to know he’s going to get a really nice new (TO HIM) enclosure,, ❤
If the year is accurate-and they aren't always, Gentaro be like 23 before it's even completed....that's 11 years from now... And what happens to him from now to 2034? This is an ambitious project, there can be delays.....don't get me wrong, it's a great idea, but he shouldn't have to wait that long to relocate somewhere.
@@TheFlashyWeasel Thank you for your information also !! I understand that he doesn’t need to be a dad before he’s 18 I can’t help myself when I look at him all I can see is that little gorilla in a diaper and holding his baby bottle 🍼 lol. And I understand your concern about Gentaro to and completely agree with the waiting time and a lot can go very wrong 😑
Curses be upon them if they split up Djeeco's troop. That troop seems to be among the most solid of the ones I've seen; not to mention the fact that there are two BABIES who still need their parents. Why petition to disrupt a unit like that? Better Annie or some other option. Keep searching, Kyoto Zoo. Leave the Djeecos ALONE.
I absolutely adore the D'jeeco troop. As long as I'm still alive it ain't gonna happen.
@@sonjavandam1306I definitely high five that!🙋🏽
Lol.... yep all that and the curses too
No, no, no! Leave Tay & Iriki alone! They r stable in Dj’s troop. It will cause more stress & I don’t think Iriki could handle if she was the one picked to be moved. Besides both sisters love Dj &. Dj loves them. They may end up with a female who doesn’t want anything to do with Gentaro if they split that troop up. Annie isn’t related & it only makes sense. People love the idea of Annie & Gentaro, if the zoo’s want to think about the money (like that ain’t what it’s about) that would bring the visitors in!! Gentaro; Momotaro’s son & Annie; Handsome Shabani’s daughter. Cha-Ching! I’m trying to appeal to the money maker side of the zoo! Also Tay needs a strong silverback that she respects. Dj is it!
Couldn't agree more. This is the most stupid decision making ever. Annie Shabani and Gentaro Momotaro are made for each other and will without doubt fall in love instantly! I am incandescent with rage - how moronic these zoo officials can be. THINK FOR HEAVENS SAKE, THINK!!
Yo considero que las esposas de D'Jeeco tienen problemas de estrés por la disputa de la atención del macho, he visto sus peleas en videos, y además dejar una sola hembra puede controlar el crecimiento de la familia, no es estúpida la idea, seamos menos viscerales. Yo quisiera que Gentaro se quedará con su familia como hijo y no puede ser, tiene que emigrar y hacer su propia familia.
この推測が正しいとすると、ゲンタロウが千葉に移動するのは、かなり先になるのですね😢
キヨマサもアニーもこの先何も決まってなさそうで、また上野のコモモやモモカもどうなるのか気掛かりです❤
This was an excellent video! You did your research and came to your own conclusions responsibly. It made a lot of sense to me, thank you for sharing all this information, it was very interesting. 😀❤🦍
Gentaro, Kiyomasa, Riki, Annie, Komomo, Momoka, Kintaro will all need mates soon enough. They better start cutting a deal with some overseas zoos.
You would think the girls would be easy since there are so many bachelors out there!
Lope from Twycross zoo in the UK would be good for Annie. He was recently moved out of his troop, and he is living totally alone in the bachelor pad.😭
@@67italiana I think they have Silverbacks for each Bachelor group. If I understand the French setup,he won’t be alone.🙂Lope will join one of them. Lope is a very fun,adventurous gorilla! He’s getting so handsome too with his huge canines! It would be nice if Gentaro could spend some time with him. They are related. Any gorilla would be lucky to get princess Annie!
@@MySkinnydip I am glad to read about Lope getting a mate. Yes, he is too funny, and would be great for Gentaro to spend time with him. I can't imagine what lope would do to poor Nene😂😂😂😂
@@67italiana I don’t know..he has spent alot of quality time with grandma Biddy! He just might’ve brought out the softer side of Nene!😂Lope knows how to charm!
Thank you for explaining in detail facts, concerns & future activity about these majestic precious gorillas. I can understand most of it now. Trusting y’all will do what’s in the best interest of the Momotaro family, I personally pray they’ll all have best mating matches as only time will tell but on their watch. ❤
Thank you for the very interesting information! You've done a great job. I especially liked the musical accompaniment. I wish our favorites Annie and Gentaro to meet their love!
Why could he not have both ? Annie now and add 1 of the other ladies when their baby is independent... or maybe Kiyo would like a wife too
good idea!
Momos troop should get a new enclose bigger just like shabanis troop
It's in an area that cannot expand-BUT they can tear down that dumb ferris wheel that goes BEEP BEEP BEEP and the other amusement park like rides-it must annoy the animals.
Totally agree 💯
Thank you for this information 🙏❤
Thank you for sharing , very useful informative data re gorilla reproduction information,
It seems that matching Gentaro & Annie is the best solution for the gorillas. They are similar in age and Gentaro won't have to wait so long as he will with the other female. Both he & Annie should have left the troop by now & started their own family.😢
8:23 - I just love that little boy's delighted smiles!
He is a beautiful boy!😊
He’s so cute!
Chiba zoo look horrendous. Its delapitated, just cement. Gentaro would be miserable there😢
Not enough food for Rola and Monta. No bedding just a tiny bit of enrichment. I looked on trip advisor and the reviews for depressed animals not getting their needs met. Their scale was broken and Rola is getting very thin. They are living a life of deprivation.
Thank you for putting together this outstanding video which answers numerous questions from people who genuinely care about the gorillas. Your hard work is greatly appreciated.
Putting gentaro in this situation is sad. They knew when he was born this was going to happen. Why was this not discusses many many years ago. Poor Gentaro and Annie. So so sad
Annie looks very much like her dad!
Todas as possíveis futuras companheiras de Gentaro possuem um lindo histórico. Mas me apaixonei pela carinha de Annie ! Ela é linda, bem poderosa. Agora também fiquei preocupada .... Mas espero que decidam o melhor para todos. E com certeza isso acontecerá !!! Reforçando, Annie é poderosa !!!!🤗💙💛💚
thank you for the info!
Thank you for this information. I suspect we all feel the same way about Annie's future. ❤
I will be dead by the time this all happens,how about stop breeding them so they don't have to endure a life of misery.
Thank you so much for the information. I absolutely love your videos!
Thank you. Such a great video. Explaining it all a bit more. Would be great if Gentaro could join Lope in the bachelor troop.
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Thank you for your comment.
I'm a big fan of your channel.
I will let you know when I have more info.
I wish there was a facility for gorilla bachelor group in Japan.
Hey! I’m glad you checked out the video! I didn’t have a chance to respond on your channel. It would be nice if Gentaro had another gorilla around his age to be around!🫶🏽
@@SomethingAboutGorillas No kidding. That would be great.
Aren’t Lope and Gentaro distant cousins? Those two would make good bachelor mates❤
I'm so glad you did this for us. I try not to worry that Gentaro, Annie and Kyio will soon move away and we'll no longer see them 😢
千萬不要把Tayari帶到日本去！Tayari是台北動物園的動物明星！好不容易從阿普勒動物園來到台灣、又深愛著迪亞哥！千萬不要把他們分開！
同意！千萬不能拆散迪亞哥家族！
Tayari和lriki是如此深愛迪亞哥，牠們在台北市立動物園遇見彼此，遇見真愛，環境也很好，還生了兩個大猩猩寶寶，多麼幸福的家庭❤
深表贊同，好好的ㄧ個家族硬要拆散很奇怪欸
Bem, é uma teia de possibilidades, mas, o fato é que nenhum zoo,dos melhores do mundo, iria,hoje, transferir um de seus gorilas para as instalações em uso em Kyoto e Chiba Zoo.
Impensável Taipei desmembrar sua tropa.
Gentaro e Annie são os únicos gorilas do Japão compatíveis para acasalamento.
Gentaro and Annie ❤
Yes ,but this is what they live for,Gentaro will be a great dad and husband , I have a hard time being so negative for the zookeepers and the zoo in a whole ❤️
Whoever gets to mate with Gentaro is one lucky female. 😊
Gentaro will be the next protagonist of movie planet of the apes with his high intelligence.
My friend. I hope you were joking. This will Never happen because these beings are more gentle than humans. Its the human who wants to destroy other life. If it happens in the primate world, it was probably by accident. Creatures other than humans know that the species must go on and that there is a place for everyone. Humans are not that intelligent. 😮
I enjoyed reading everything you was saying ❤ i understand how you feel ❤
thank you 😊
I hope Gentaro just leaves that enclosure, it's terrible.
Me gustó la opinión de las instalaciones más grandes y con muchas zonas verdes para la familia de Momotaro, cómo la tropa del gran Shabany 😂❤
No es para la familia momotaro, es para gentaro.
I believe gentle, intelligent, Gentaro, and beautiful Annie would make a wonderful couple. But, I believe that another female is needed. Perhaps, in an enclosure alittle bigger than the D'jeecos have. With games and pets. Lets pray.
I am very happy to hear any news about Gentaro, Annie or Kiyo or the two older sisters (Momoka & Komomo) in the Haoko family. That's a long way off for Gentaro to be with Iriki or Tayari, but at least it's some hope. This all should have been planned out before Genki even got pregnant. Matter of fact, for all gorilla mom's it should have been planned. Knowing where the gorilla baby is going when it's time to move out would have been responsible. But Japan was not at all responsible with that. However, what's done is done and now it just has to be fixed. Now the zoos are stuck with a bunch of gorillas that need to be moved and have nowhere to go. I am very grateful for the information (you) have given as I too love all these gorilla families but had to take a break from watching and information collecting, because it was getting too sad with the Momotaro family and it was making me feel very sad for them.
I knew about that agreement with the zoo with the D'jeeco family a while ago, but didn't know how that would help with Momo's family. Since the babies are both toddler boys and I didn't think they would take one of "D'jeeco's "wives" for Gentaro. Like you said, the toddlers are going to need their moms for a long time but knowing there is some hope for Gentaro is good news.
As for getting a gorilla from another country everything I have read or know about, says no country will send another of their gorillas to Japan because of what happened to both Genki-the weight loss, sickness, self mutilating, etc(1997-1999) and Momotaro's father-Biju, who was sent from England in 1997 only to suffocate to death(1999) at only 12 years old, when he was put in with those 3 other gorillas. You know Japan originally claimed it was a heart attack for a long time, but the autopsy- report was eventually changed to " cause of death as Suffocation/asphyxiation"..... This was over 20 years ago, and japan never followed through with building a gorilla conversation with England and the first gorilla they sent over who was Momo's father-Biju back in 1997. *********If you have more information that contradicts that, I would love to know that. As my heart aches for these poor gorillas in Japan.******** You could comment if you have better news than I have heard/read through the journals. 😊
I can understand why the other countries will not send other gorillas, but for the gorillas Japan already has, I hope someone will send some gorilla mates over so the gorillas japan has already, can live their lives happy or at least not alone. Japan had so many gorilla deaths that they went from like 90 something gorillas in the 90's, to the small number of 20 something that they have now. **** That speaks volumes about the care they receive in Japan's zoos. Even some of Japan's own people say gorillas should not be kept in Japan. The keepers are wonderful and I know they love the gorillas, but if the head honchos don't give the individual facilities money to feed, house, and medically treat them and provide environments that can enrich their lives, then the current gorilla females should all be on birth control until every gorilla they have including the babies have a home they know the infant can sent it to when it's time to leave the "nest". As everything in this world, it all comes down to $$$$$$$$$. The baby gorillas make the zoo's money and they will not give that up, and the animals suffer for it.
Amen to every word you said, facts are facts & I like the way you covered everything. Bravo.👏
Jeez! 90 gorillas! That’s a damn shame🤦🏽
Gracias a SometingAbout Gorilas por este reportaje cargado de tan buenas informaciones jamás nadie las había dicho lo vuelvo a escuchar pensé siempre que Gentaro y Annis serían parejas tanto ño piden como yo las personas que seguimos estas familias deceo lo mejor para ellos Annis y Gentaro son amores ❤ entonces las hijas de Haoko adultas Momoka y la hermana que pasará sigan cuidando de ellos 100pt por este interesante video aman los gorilas de espalda plateada 😊
Gentaro will love Annie, she has qualities and features like his mom/Genki.
Also - good choice of background music and video editing !
Se isso se realizar, será muito triste para todos eles! Mais países deveriam se envolver nesse projeto de preservação da espécie para diminuir a consanguinidade entre eles e talvez houvesse criação de recintos maiores e mais agradáveis, com mais verde.
I hope they consider the intellect of gentaro and with whom will he be most capable with ..I could see him and Annie forming a troop , without kyomasa around that could change her and probably mature her more ..
first and foremost, they should consider the intellect of those behind their gorilla breeding program. first, they brought two brothers, Shabani and Haoko. Now this.
Well,a D’jeeco videographer told me that Jabali would be returning to the Netherlands when he’s older. So I’m thinking it would be Tayari. She would seem like the right choice but she would probably go on a hunger strike if separated from the love of her life! Iriki is more easy going but prone to stress issues! She would go nude from hair pulling and probably pluck the hell out of Gentaro. Great two nude gorillas! I’ve seen a gorilla with very little hair,definitely not a vibe! I don’t see why they don’t let Annie and Gentaro meet and see what’s up! If they aren’t interested then there you go!😬
Thanks for the info about Jabali!
@@SomethingAboutGorillasа у Гентаро всё нормально в половом отношении?У него недавно пропали яички и клыки не растут? Сможет он быть отцом?
У горилл не бывает,,любовь всей жизни,,. Будет новый самец, будет и новая любовь и новые дети.Самцы имеют не одну самку.Если Диего предоставят других самок ,он будет только рад.Забудет и детей и этих двух их матерей.И самки тоже так же поступят .Самцам кобелям приводят в год очень много незнакомых самок собак и что...он всех любит ?Он их оплодотворяет и живёт дальше.
The first born belongs to the lending zoo. That is why Chiba owns Gentaro.
@@lemardyc absolutely🙂
Thank you for making this video.
Oh no! Chiba doesn’t treat their gorillas well. They have no enhancements for them and 10 years is absolutely too long for Gentaro to be alone. Besides that Iriki and Tayari love DJ.
he won't be alone, thers's Genki! Oh, wait...
Not enough food either!
Well, I wish I hadn’t watched this so early this morning. I’m gonna have a lousy day☹️ why why why would these zoo administrators just now make decisions for these gorillas coming of age? That one zoo is going to build something 1O years from now? What will Gentaro do in the mean time? Be housed in some one room facility off exhibit so no one can see what he is going through? Will Annie just have to continue putting up with Kiyamosa mating with her? Poor little thing! Shame shame on Japan. They do not deserve to have animals in zoos. 🥺
Me too girl! Definitely put me in a mood!☹️
Same. It’s an absolute mood killer.
@@MySkinnydip - It’s 5:30 pm where I am and I haven’t thought of much else than this family, today. I keep getting visions of Gentaro is some dark place hidden away until they can ship him somewhere else and Genki @ 50 years old, her little face still swollen 🥺
@@KathyJo. I’m in Seattle and watched this on my break! Next time I will know better! I don’t understand. Why can’t they at least let Gentaro and Annie meet? If they get along then great. If not then move Gentaro to a bachelor group and let him learn from his brothers! I thought France was taking in bachelors or maybe just some. There is a gorilla here in the states who left his bachelor group and went to 4 females! He is doing great! But Japan is going to have to look into future! Aside from Gentaro,what about Kintaro and Kyomasa and Riki! Jeez🤦🏽
@@MySkinnydip it’s all too much for me! All these precious innocent animals at the mercy of people who seem to not have what it takes to care for them as they deserve. I feel like hopping on a plane , flying over to Japan and making some signs and protesting outside the Kyoto Zoo, but no doubt wouldn’t take long for the coppers to show up and drag the crazy American lady off to jail. 😂
What are the plans for Annie. They can’t just leave her to be a spinster. Yes she would be an excellent mother , you can see by the way her and Ai play as mother and daughter. But I would hate for the shabani clan to be separated. 😢
I saw this video a few days ago in English, I cried so much, it made me see human misery, how people feel they have the right to separate animals as if they didn't feel it, Japan, a country of such intelligent people, continues to do this type of nonsense. , I love watching gorilla videos and I follow Japanese families, but I prefer not to continue involving my feelings for when the time of separation comes. My poor Annie and Gentaro dreamed of seeing them together, and having their own family.
京都市の動物園がそのような計画をしているなら疑問しかありません。
しかも10年以内でもながすぎます。
ゲンタロウには血縁関係のないアニーがいてアニーと一緒になれるを期待していたのですが…
わざわざ海外の動物園にいる他のゴリラのペアの一頭で子ゴリラのいるメスと一緒にしなくてもと思います。
そういった方向にいきそうなら極めて残念です。😪
千葉市動物園に新しいゴリラの施設ができる事と、7月に京都市動物園の職員がゲンタロウの将来について語っていたことは事実ですが、後はニュース記事をもとに私が推測したものですので、話半分で聞いておいてください。☺️
@@SomethingAboutGorillas That's how i feel about it also. Thanks for your opinion🖐🖐
10 years...I can't believe it! 🙈
Thank you for all of the information! I don’t think they would move Tayari. She’s so attached to D’jeeco.
They don't need to move Tayari or Iriki because they still have baby boys who need them and the cohesiveness of the family unit.
En 10 años tendrán más hijos, Ringo y Jabali podrían estar muy cerca de ser espalda plateada. Dudo que les entreguen a Tayari o Iriki porque no pertenecen al zoológico de Taiwán, sino al zoológico de apenheul. Si el trato es para el zoológico de Kioto más beneficioso sería para Kintaro que le pertenece, quizás Momotaro si Chiba no lo pide de regreso.
It's been debunked, they aren't going anywhere.
The deal they made is to exchange information regarding care, god knows Kyoto needs help in that department.🤔
Things have a way of working out! Gentaro will make a stunning silverback!
I think this is a good idea. Bringing in new genetics is so important. I would have loved to see Annie with Gentaro though. After dealing with Kyomasa she would run rings around Gentaro!😁. Although they really need to completely re-do the areas for Al their animals. I would hate to see Gentaro go to that concrete nightmare right now.
The surroundings could be mitigated, but the apparent disregard to their gorilla needs and happiness can not be overcome the way it is now.
It’s disgusting what Japan has done with these animals
Well in the interest of making sure the gorilla DNA is as diversified as possible I see why they would be looking from farther away. It just keeps the door open for Annie in Japan. The Shabani troop is a good example of it being rather closed off to both Annie and to Kiyomasa as they are both directly related to every gorilla in that troop.
Acredito que é apenas para manter as espécies , a linhagem pura, desses gorilas maravilhosos....❤❤❤❤❤❤
Your viewers have taken a very personal interest in the well being of these gorillas. They are after all real families, and they will experience loss and anxiety over losing members or being moved themselves. Zoo politics has no place in these decisions when it comes to the well being of the animals. Placing Gentaro with Annie seems like THE MOST logical choice with the LEAST amount of disruption or emotional anxiety for the other members of ALL those troops.
Well said. I’m in bits since watching this video and wish I hadn’t. I hope the TH-camr is just speculating and has it wrong. I knew about the agreement between Kyoto and Taipei but never assumed it would be the current troop. And I’ve prayed it means sending Kyoto gorillas to Taiwan not the other way round!
Всё это неправда!не верьте!
Люди! Подумайте!У Гентаро нет клыков,яички куда то исчезли! Никогда другой зоопарк не отдаст молодую, здоровую самку Гентаро.Если только найдут такую ненормальную старуху,как Генка,тогда отдадут подешевле.У Гентаро, что-то не в порядке с гармонами.Почему у него нет клыков?
10 ans 😮??? Pour moi si ça devait ce faire ce sera la femelle iriki ❤ car tayari et Djeco forment un trop beau couple et surtout tellement fusionnel que ce serait dommage de les séparés. ❤❤❤ ça reste ma vision . Merci pour les explications tellement intéressantes ça m'a permis de mieux comprendre, mais triste de savoir qu Annie et gentaro ne formeront sûrement jamais un couple 😢 et Annie ducoup 😢? Hmmm🤔 peut kintaro ? Qui c est !!! Annie et kintaro feraient un très beau couple ❤❤❤ après tout il n'y a que 4 ans d eccart entre eux 2 😅😅Merci beaucoup ❤❤❤
That's an idea I didn't think that far for our Kenny, but then again i don't think Annie is suitable for Kentaro.
@@vins6036, me too ! Annie is very strong, independent and can run rings around Gentaro!
Maybe it’s life telling you guy’s to let Gentaro and Annie go for it ,I would hate to think this ,maybe both of them could experience a move together?
Anne e meninona❤❤❤❤❤❤
Yes, I agree, thank you for the information on Gentaro and Annie. I have concerns about them not starting the new enclosure at the Chiba Zoo until 2034. Gentaro will be 22 yrs old by then. I'm not sure if I missed it or is he staying a Kyoto Zoo with his family till then? How is that going to work? That worries me with Momo and Gentaro (2 full grown silverbacks). It's great they are getting new blood lines, but there's no reason why Annie and Gentaro can't mate up. They can eventually still get more international gorillas for Japan. The US has tons of bachelors.....it's sad. If they are going to pair up either Iriki or Tayari, it should be Tayari. Iriki is D'jeeco's favorite, and Tayari is a little less mature then Iriki. Tayari needs more attention and Gentaro would fit the role of giving her more attention. Yes, Jabali would need to be older for it to work. 2034 is a long way off. I'm just as concerned as you Something About Gorillas. I realize it's all about money....sad, sad, sad.☹We love them all so much and I think I can speak for all who watch gorilla videos everyday on TH-cam.💖 PS: I hope they dont castrate Kintaro. Peace out!
Eu não consigo imaginar uma crueldade desse magnitude, castrar Kintaro? Porque o Japão pegou gorilas para ajudar na extinção? Se precisam se reproduzir para sair da lista de animais ameaçados de extinção, logo meu Kintaro, que vai ser um ótimo líder e pai, nossa, eu mobilizou a Internet, vou fazer muito barulho, só de pensar meu sangue ferve.
2034 is just too much. By then even Kintaro would be 100% a silverback. Where are they going to place Gentaro? A smaller cage? That would be awful. I hope they move him to a proper place so he doesn't have to battle his father.
There is no way they will move Tay & Iriki. I've just left a long comment on this subject.
@@sonjavandam1306 I think youre right.
Please god you’re right Sonja@@sonjavandam1306
This is brilliantly put ❤
千葉市は着工がまだ先なので、ゲンタロウは無理ですよね‥
オスはオトナになったら旅立つのは当たり前なのだからどこの群れも子ができる前に出来た後の事を考えて欲しいですね。
キヨマサもアニーもですが、コモモとモモカだってかわいそう😔
リキだってあと５年くらいでシルバーバックになって居場所がなかったらどうなるか😫みんな、幸せに暮らせないなら動物園って所は居心地が悪いという事ですよね。
狭い檻に入れられて居心地がいいわけないですよね。
日本は色んな意味で遅れていて、考え方も偏っていて結局前に進めていないと言う事なのか😔
I think some zoos in Japan have modernized and adopted the knowledge everyone now has about animal welfare. People beat up Momo's zoo, but they are taking care of their needs. I am still waiting for Genki's dental though - maybe be they are too afraid of the anesthetic. They have enrichment and enough enough food as do Shibani's family and the old single gorilla who's mate died and whose name escapes me, at least. And, I hope others. The issue is space at Kyoto. However Chiba Zoo is disgraceful and so is the one that has that poor chimp group, those poor, poor mistreated animals, the name escapes me now. Some zoos have to catch up on understanding they have a responsibility to the helpless animals, or make arrangements to close down. The government should make them do it! Chiba is not feeding Rola and Mona well and they are so enrichment deprived. No bedding for old bones to lay down on! New thinking must occur in some of the zoos. I think Chiba has a new keeper who is doing their best at making things better, but it must come from the top. So, in conclusion, Japan has some good zoos, there are bad zoos in North America and Europe and the rest of the world too. But Japan is a smart, competent, innovative, successful country and they need to do better to ensure the old thinking that animals don't need to be cared for well, in some zoos is changed.
I knew this would happen. They don't deserve to have these gorillas. They should have had their future figured out when they were young. Not trying to figure it out now, he should have been separated from his family a while ago.
Well it is as plain as the nose on my face
They are buying time stop the complaints.🤬
@@sonjavandam1306👍👍
@@sonjavandam1306 Agreed!
This saddens me, as I had always hoped that sweet Annie and gentle Gentaro would be mates in the future. If it is to be Iriki or Tayari, I hope that it is Iriki because Tayari would not be a good match for Gentaro personality wise. She is too strong willed, and he is more passive. D’jeeko knows how to handle her. I can tell how much you care for these amazing animals, I wish that everything was not always about money and trade deals. 😢🦍
C'est bien triste tout ça annie séparé de son père shabani et kiyomasa de nene c'est bien compliqué 🤔
Thanks for the info. I thought Kyoto City Zoo was rehabbing the old chimp habitat to house Gentaro in a "bachelor pad" until they can find a recommended site for him, like Lope at Twycross zoo. In the Japan system the only females unrelated to the Momotaro family are Annie and her mother Ai. A move like that would surely be detrimental to the Shabani troop, if not kill Shabani outright. Gentaro may have to leave Japan. The other question is who actually owns Gentaro---UenoZoo or Apenhaul. For example, Momotaro belongs to UenoZoo (his mother's home zoo) and is on loan to Kyoto City Zoo. I believe because of this Gentaro is also not "owned" by Kyoto City Zoo (but Genki is owned by Kyoto City Zoo).
Overall, there is a shortage of females throughout the zoo systems. There may be some eligible females of age in Europe or Australia. I don't think it would be a good idea to separate the Taipei Zoo females. They are sisters, and the group is highly bonded. Plus their babies are under age 3 and couldn't protect themselves until ages 5 to 7.
Chiba Zoo's gorillas are not bonded through no fault of their own. Apparently Monta wanted to mate but Rola ( AKA Lora) is very afraid of large male gorillas. She was hand raised and doesn't see herself as gorilla. Apparently no one recognized this when they were first paired. How do you handle these two individuals? Do you sacrifice them to spend resources to rebuild the physical space to bring in Gentaro and some unnamed females in hopes of new family lines? Also, where are Gentaro, Kiyomasa, and Lope in the long line of young and mature silverbacks already in long standing bachelor groups globally?
I don't know the answer, just putting this out there because moving an individual is not any easy thing. Many points need to be considered for all involved.
That all make sense to me...right now it's only words on paper-a lot has to happen and waiting 11 years...well, take it with a grain of salt.
So many????? Gentaro belongs to Chiba zoo. It's a shit show for Japan. It's sickening to think about what's going to happen to the gorillas.🤬
@@TheFlashyWeasel I didn't see your comment, my comment was to Yvonne. Time for me to go to 😴 Take it easy babe.🙋
Even Gori and Shou have sad lonely lives like Monte and Rola. I thought Nuremberg zoo still owned Gori! Why would they not step in and do anything. He’s a lot older now but still looks strong and handsome like Monte!
I have been watching the gorilla's in the Japan zoos for a while mainly through being disgusted and some decisions made by humans. They do need to go over seas either getting or sending gorilla's before inbreeding happens. There is no way they would split up the D Jeeco family, that would be cruel. Gentaro and Kiyomasa need to be moved on.
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絕對不能接受Tayari離開台北去日本的牢籠！台北那麼大的場地都不太能滿足她了，何況日本那麼狹小的籠子！而且她如此深愛迪亞哥！
The Momotaro troop are so cute 🥰
It would be a bad idea to take either Iriki or Tayari away from D’Jeeco, as they,along with their two children, are a happy, loving family! Also, to make Gentaro and a prospective female wait a few years to firm a family, seems extreme. Then, there is the topic of where Komomo and Momoka will be placed…unfortunately it cannot be with Gentaro.
Japan is just shameful. What a terrible situation these gorillas have found themselves in due to human greed and ignorance. Most of the enclosures are terrible, with shabani’s being the best. Giving up iriki or tayari to go to those horrendous enclosures would just be impossible. They are treated so well in the djeeco group. I don’t understand why Annie and gentaro won’t be paired! Is it zoo politics? Most likely. Probably greed over who would go where, because whoever has them would make more money with zoo visits. Disgustingly shameful.
Shameful is an understatement. They are trying to buy some time because they have nothing in place. $$$ you are right. I don't know where the rumour about Iriki & Tay came from but it ain't gonna happen. They are trying to stop the people complaining.😡
They made a massive mistake if they think it will stop complaints. I’m furious at the mere thought of this plan. And I hope everyone would join me in writing to both zoos if there was ever a suggestion of it happening @@sonjavandam1306
I just hope that the Apenheul Zoo doesn't allow this madness.
@@micanecorso9677 Apenheul won't allow it to happen. They are aware of Japan's treatment of gorillas. They trying to buy some time to get their shit together.✌️
@@sonjavandam1306I agree mate!🙋🏽
Buena información. Gracias 🙂
I wish the politics were not involved with this because Gentaro and Annie would be great together. They will become lonely and only delay babies and a happy troop.
I wish Gentaro and his family could all go to the home you described... and encounter other gorillas too. My heart breaks for this little family everytime I watch them, which is often. Keyoto City Zoo isn't a large zoo and I'd love to see all its animals go to santuaries. Even though there are mountains near Keyoto the city is so over populated that even if someone left them big money they couldn't give the animals anymore space.
I'd sure hate to see Gentaro and his little brother split up. Momma is old, it'd break her heart to lose either son. Dad is so... he's dying inside because he's prevented from gorilla-ing. 😢 Take the ALL! Please?!
I think they should put Annie with Gentaro.
thank you for the very valuable and sad information I was wondering what the Annie and Gentaro couple could give but that will never happen.
This was so interesting to learn all this information. Maybe little Kintaro could be Annie's husband once he is older its so sad that the Chinese zoo keep the gorilla's separate I wonder what the reason is for that, No gorilla should have to live alone that made me sad. It would be tragic to remove anyone from the D'Jeeco family they have the best wonderful caring family unit. Thankyou for giving us this news.