radiotvphononut - So glad to hear that the seller fully refunded you because they should as that packaging was a huge careless disgrace! Gee it’s not that darn hard or expensive to properly pack/wrap something.
Bryan I been a fan of your repair video's fantastic reminds me of the classroom record player that was just tossed in the box from seller no packing and the post office allowed it to be shipped
Another thing that people forget to do is that you can have the post office stamp it as FRAGILE. Doesn't cost a thing extra. The worst shipping that I heard of was from a friend of mine who was a high bidder on a 60's portable suitcase-style stereo, the kind where the speakers are attached on the sides. It was sent WITHOUT A BOX with just the shipping label attached to the outside of the unit, and it arrived scratched up and missing a speaker!
This just pisses me off. Even if you do get your money back. This piece of history, is still destroyed. It could have been avoided. Yes, it could have been avoided if they would have listen. But these quick buck Ebay sellers, think they know better than us vintage collectors..
That reminds me of the one time I bought an old Apple Macintosh G4 Computer for a friend on fleabay....the seller didn't even bother putting any padding into the box and the computer case was completely smashed up (luckily it still worked and that's what counted....this was before me knowing how to handle such things on fleabay so I basically took the loss). The packing video seems like a very good idea. I've sold stuff on fleabay that was heavy and it arrived in good condition and I even got a compliment from the buyer for packing it properly - usually takes me at least an hour or more to pack something properly though, so for low value items it's usually not worth my time to bother selling it in the first place....
It never ceases to amaze me how lazy some people are on eBay when it comes to packing an item YOU paid the winning bid amount/buy-it-now price + shipping for - especially if the shipping charges are high. Reminds me of a bid I once placed a few years ago for an early model VCR - paid the seller the bid amount plus postage charges - when it arrived, the machine was loose inside a large box with no secure packing or any protection at all. There were pieces of plastic and metal inside the unit as well as fragments in the box. The VCR was salvageable to a point (and yes it worked after I replaced the broken bits and re-aligned the mechanism). Suffice to say that seller received NO feedback from me for that transaction and I didn't buy anything from him again. So I completely understand your position, Mr. Radiotvphononut when it comes to eBay and some sellers' shenanigans. That record player would have been super awesome if it wasn't damaged. I'm glad you got your money back.
It’s interesting seeing these eBay rants from you. On one hand, I’ve had a problem like this with an 80s sears desk fan that arrived with a broken blade, so I can relate. On the other, I made the same mistake myself with packaging a halogen torchiere and it arrived to the buyer completely destroyed. I obviously gave her a refund, but I still feel terrible about doing such a poor job packing it.
Bryan, It's interesting to see that the tape on the bottom is USPS tape. Makes me wonder if the Post Office taped it up themselves because the seller's tape job was so poorly done. I like the idea of you doing a video that you can send the seller on how you expect your purchase to be packed. Regards, Tom
I hate those careless eBay sellers . Most of the stuff you buy from them is over 60 years old and has lasted that long.agh it really bugs me. Also, keep up the amazing work man!
This is one of my record players in my collection.My is in pristine condition.Shipped from Calif. To Florida.I order on Etsy....many of my players are purchased from Etsy..
glad you got the refund back brian. i happen to notice a new trend on flebay with sellers for radios and the like be carefull of a lowball buy it now price and check the shipping charges. sometimes more than what they whant for the item!! saw one zenith from the late 30s for a buy it now at 85 and want 150 tho ship it . hope they were going to drive it to my house for that!!
I glad you got your money back ,the restored radio I just bought off eBay pack my radio so well it took me a half hour to unwrap it,but I not complaining ,plus he was nice enough to give me instructions of what to check before I turned it on ,now that's how it done people ,it was doubled boxed packing Styrofoam every where ,lots of good bubble wrap ,I wish I would have taken pictures on how a proper box was done .
Sorry to see that the sellers still do not have a clue. Living here in Hawaii, we always cringe when we need to order anything big and delicate from a seller. Thankfully I have had s very successful time these past few years and all has been well. I have always done as you suggested and offered to pay extra for shipping to have things packed the right way. I have had to cancel some of my purchases when the sellers said they would not do as I requested on the packing. If possible I try to message them before I purchase an item but that is not always possible. Glad to see your videos again. Aloha
Bakelite cabinetry should be treated like glass. Tell the shipper it is an antique and treat it like it is glass. Got a 45rpm RCA changer that cracked in one corner because of hopeless wrapping of small bubble wrap that still allowed the unit to wander around inside the box. Got a full refund thankfully.
I once bought an audio-technica LP120 from the US to Australia, the slap dash seller threw complete TT into the orig box without foam blocks, it arrived damaged, the AT-440 stylus destroyed, anti-skate broken, cosmetic damage to plinth. The platter, headshell, counter weight, 45 piece must be removed for shipping, It comes partially dis-assembled by manufacturer
Well, I hope they don't get too attached to my money because it's about to get snatched from their hands. If they want this wreck back, they can pay the return shipping charges and I'll pack it just like it was sent to me.
I feel for you, brother. Just 2 weeks ago I had same issue, a Motorola 3-way radio arrived broken due to poor packing. I calmly sent them pictures of the broken cabinet and compared it to the pix from their original listing, and they gave me a full refund (purchase + shipping). So I got a free radio for parts, not bad. But you are right about the disappointment us collectors feel when something like this happens.
Yeah eBay is really a hit and miss when it comes to packing and shipping. Especially for old CRT TVs. I got two DOA 13 inchers from eBay and one 12 inch B&W tv that survived. First one was a Sony KV13TR24 Trinitron. This was shipped via USPS Priority mail and it took a beating. The bottom screw mounts to the CRT broke off the front shell and as a result the tube pivoted upwards in shipping causing the neckboard to crack in half and snap off the end of the necktube. So have one with a dead CRT. This seller did a piss poor job at packing it. Only a single layer of thin bubble wrap with newspaper wadding and a sprinkling of packing peanuts. Definitely not good enough at all for shipping a CRT this size! Got full refund from that seller though. Luckily thus far none of them have given me any trouble refunding items damaged in shipping/being DOA. Then since the seller didn't ask me to send it back, I tossed the large bits to the trash (Dead CRT and the plastic housing) and kept the board and neck board along with the deflection yoke and the speaker. Then I found another KV13TR24 from a different seller. Went for the same model TV since I had parts to that one now thanks to the last seller not packing it good. :P The second TV came from a seller that had a history of shipping TVs and 100% feedback. And...This one also arrived DOA. But it was packed very well. Plenty of plastic padding, layer of thick bubble wrap and the TV was packed in facing down. This one was shipped UPS Ground and took about 5 days to get to me. (I live in Texas and this was shipped from all the way from Seattle Washington!) The CRT mounts failed in the exact same way. Bottom screw mount plastic broke off. Tube lifted up enough to crack the neckboard. So contacted the seller about this and also got full refund. He also didn't ask me to send it back. I'm starting to think the plastic is just too brittle for a TV this age to survive in shipping no matter how well it's packed. This perticular TV was made in 1991 (with the first one with the dead CRT being a year older). But I was lucky with the second TV. The tube survived. The neckboard was nearly pulled off the tube and the neckboard also had a crack, but somehow the neck of the tube didn't break. The tube didn't move up as much as it did with the last TV. The crack was also much smaller and only went across 3 traces (the first TV's neckboard had the crack happen at a different angle. Seems to break 8+ traces. Could probably fix that one but not worth it since I have one in much better condition. Kept it only for the components on the board which are all still good I believe) After bridging those broken traces by soldering a wire across them, the TV still wouldn't power on. The main board had a crack near the flyback. But the only traces I seen this crack go across already had a wire soldered across it (with the second trace I saw broken going to one of the deflection yoke connectors. I soldered a wire onto that to bridge that one). So this TV already had a cracked PCB before it was even shipped? There is also apparent moister/water damage? The RF shield metal cage covering the OSD/Picture control IC has significant rust as well as the metal housing to the RF tuner module. There was a sprinkling of copper rust/oxidation on the back of one of the voltage regulator ICs in the power supply circuit. I bet something died in the power circuit on this board. In any case I gave up trying to get this board to work since I had a whole other board that probably still worked. I already got refunded and didn't have to send this back so I had nothing to lose trying to fix it. So I took the main board from the last TV (since it is identical model to this one) and plopped it into this one. The board to that one survived somehow despite being from the TV that was poorly packed and took a bigger beating from USPS. No evidance of water damage either. This TV was also shipped from a location less then 300 miles from me and USPS still managed to ***k it up. Though the poor packing of this TV is probably more to blame then USPS. Seller to the first TV didn't even put any labels indicating that it was fragile. Second seller didn't either though.... I did some fine tuning to the trim pots on the board to get the sub-color/sub contrast where I want and also reduced the vertical overscan a little bit. I also adjusted the trim pots on the neckboard to make sure white balance is good. The TV powers on now and looks great. The composite inputs it has really holds it back in terms of how good it can look so I plan to RGB mod this TV at some point. Also looks like I don't have to fiddle with the deflection yoke/magnets/convergence strips. The geometry/convergance on this TV appear to be as good as it was from the factory. :D This TV really is really good for how old it is. I may do a video of my own on this TV at some point. (probably after I have RGB modded it) As for the 12 inch B&W el cheapo china set. That one survived thanks to being shipped in it's original box. Despite that a plastic cover to one of the inductors on the main board came loose. Seemed to be cosmetic though. TV operates as well as the design allows. :P I ended up composite input modding that one. Made it look pretty nice for a cheap china TV made in 1999. :P Long story short I wouldn't recommend getting a CRT TV off ebay that exceeds 12 inches in size (especially Sony Trintrons. They are heavier due to how they are designed). Only reason I put up with having 2 dead sets come to me from Ebay was that my area sucks and there just aren't any good TVs to be found for sale locally. :(
See when i mailed my 6" telescope mirror to palo alto california to get re-aluminized the post office guy here made sure there was "Fragile" labels on every side of the outside box. He said without those it's going to kicked around like a football for sure.
Something worst than that happened to me.. early 50s Emerson TV set was double boxed without using any packing material.. UPS driver sat the box on the doorstep in front of me and I heard broken glass sound.. I opened it up and yup pic tube destroyed, and cabinet coming apart.. The set was not even salvageable after that packing job.. I messaged the seller and told about their horrifying packing job and I was to get a full refund including the shipping... They did refund me, but still an antique destroyed..
I once bought a His Masters Voice 101 1930s portable phonograph from the UK (I live in Germany btw.). The sole package was one (!) layer of brown packaging paper and some strings around it. And guess what, it actually arrived without damage.
Sadly, eBay did away with the refund part. Now its "return" only requiring you to send it back to start a refund process. eBay generates the return label with the data given during auction listing/details, and bills it to the seller's account. Once the package arrives then eBay starts the refund process. I've been through it a couple times now.
I have absolutely no idea as to why eBay decided to ditch the "refund" option. The "return" only policy makes eBay think that everything that sells on their website can be easily replaceable. I just went through the same exact situation with poor packaging, and the radio was ultimately destroyed. I purchased the radio for parts only, but the parts that I had wanted were destroyed during the shipment process. Sent the seller a message, suggesting even a partial refund would be acceptable. The only responses from the seller was to ship it back for a refund, which most people don't have time for.
Archie Bunker I feel your pain, but I know exactly why they did away with it. If you remember the CEO announced that eBay is moving to become a product-based company instead of a flea market based company. They are trying to become Amazon Sadly... The only way you can get a refund through Amazon without a return is through the chat system.
justsomeguytoyou it's been at least a year or so. But sellers can still refund you outside of eBay if they wish which still happens from time to time. But you can no longer go through the official eBay processes for refund only anymore.
Ebay did away with the refund policy due to scammers getting items than reversing payments getting thier cash back PLUS shipper claims Im sure if the seller wants to manually refund they can still send you a "refund" using paypal. Thats up to the seller not some scammer.
I subscribe to radiotvphononut to get a lesson in electronic repair from someone with technique. But something occurred to me while watching this video. With his preference for working on vintage units, radiotvphononut is preserving individual pieces of Americana.
This reminds me of a radio that I bought quite a few years ago, it’s a GE tube radio model H-620 with AM and SW bands, it has a crack running a long the right side of the radio which the seller included a picture of the crack in the listing but it was hard to tell how big it was, which I’m not mad because it was repaired before I bought it. All in all it’s a great sounding radio with its marbled Bakelite cabinet. I bet when these radios, record players were new the people who bought them new probably though that they weren’t going to 50 plus year. Try doing that with today’s electronics with are disposable economy.
There is no excuse for ANYONE shipping an item to be that STUPID ! Even if it was double boxed, the outer box was garbage. It looked like it had be reused several times. That reminds me on the time I bought a Technics turntable from an Ebay seller and he left the patter on the unit. They have no kind of snap ring or keeper on the platter of those things. They have to be taken off, wrapped good with some cardboard around it and packed under the unit. I was very lucky the tone arm did not get destroyed, but it did scratch up the top or the unit.
Ok that's good about the refund. Did they ask you to return it? I once was forced to decide between keeping a shipping-damaged VTR in ultra-rare low mileage condition or returning it and loosing the cost of shipping. And thus not being able to afford to try again. "Luckily" I had all parts needed to repair sufficiently. But when you see one of the feet of a 70 lb vtr having punched a clean cut circle out of the bottom of the single wall shipping box you know beer is going to be better then coffee. The thing must have had well over 500 lbs piled on top to bend up the all steel frame as it did.
I absolutely DESPISE these STUPID "experts" in packing! I bought a Pioneer turntable in pristine condition several years ago and got basically the same BS about him knowing how to pack it. When I opened the box I could have literally killed him had it not been against the law. Platter was not removed, wrapped separately, counterweight had been left on and it acted like a wrecking ball in a glass factory. What the platter didn't destroy the counterweight did. The SOB closed his eBay account and left me high and dry. Being a novice to eBay I did not know there were other paths I could have taken to get my money back so I "ate" close to $150.00! Now I don't take crap off of any of them. If I get junk from a seller, they know about it and if they even blink I let eBay have them.
no excuse for this half assed packing. i have received rca 45 record players rp-168's and 190's ( made in 1949 and 1950 )sold for parts packed better than that w/o breakage or cracking from ebay sellers. they turned out to be nice enough to restore which is in progress. i received a rca 6-J 78 record player made in 1946 from a ebay seller last week that was well packed and no damage to same. hit that seller hard and w/o mercy. hit them in the wallet and a negative feedback. tough shit,they did it to themselves.too bad we can't give then a --10 on feedback.
Whenever I ship, I make sure to put a ton of padding, and when I put it in the box I give it a good shake test. If it feels loose, I add more. My rule of thumb is I want at least 4 inches of bubble wrap between the item and the corner of a box. If it's an antique/fragile item, I double box it and I explain I double box and show photos of it on ebay on how I shipped it to justify the added cost of shipping. If it's just a power cord/transformer, I still bubble wrap it to make sure it doesn't rattle. The lazy ebay sellers need to go. Sad you even offered to pay more to have it well packed/shipped. Bubble wrap isn't that expensive from Walmart.
I feel bad , I refund I was you. Not happy with so sad see this. Ones happened to me on eBay, seller pay it back I can keep it for nothing. So I sell some part for the phonograph. Thank. This beautiful phono I never seen this.
I just bought a radio shack answering machine from 1981 and the thing was sent in a box so tiny it was bulging and all that was in there was a piece of paper as "packing"! and mind you the answering machine is a tank, its 15 lbs. and also a calculator i just bought was the same way! it's despicable!
sad to see that 78 airline player busted up. love that tear drop design( probably a rca clone ). at least you got your money back. did they ask you to return the item?
I hate ordering thing off eBay anymore they want a premium price for common junk. I see a bunch of common thing and people say they are rare. I bought a 8 track player the guy said it worked good but the head was missing
I once sold a very valuable guitar on ebay and I made sure that it was packed properly and insured properly. I think anyone who is going to sell anything on ebay should know what they are selling, how fragile it might be and how to properly pack it!
The issue is people don’t know what to charge for shipping on eBay They charge to much no one will buy it Not enough, won’t have enough to pack well Better to charge more and get packed better
Not a way to tell how it is packed until it was opened, it did not have any protection in the box, I think it would have been ok had they did what you requested for packing well.
my dearest bryan, PLEASE stop buying things from ebay! it is obvious that you can't trust these assholes, so you should stop setting yourself up for disappointment. you can't save them all, unfortunately. so, do what you can, and leave the rest. i bought a radio from you, and it was packed perfectly and it arrived undamaged. YOU know what you're doing, and i will always trust you. in my experience, NOBODY will ever care about things as much as you (or i) do. best to you, always.
On really important stuff I am thinking of sending a road case to the seller to use.........I am not sure what other option you have if there is no pack and send near by.
Harb's Elecronics Lab Last week, I order all 19 of my Shirley Temple VHS tapes, and the package arrived, nothing got smashed, and the tapes are still in good shape, and the clamshells are a bit beat up, but looks okay.
I agree with the man that record player has not packed right he needs his money back sir good luck I hope you do get your money by I've been dealing for year when somebody buy something for me I box it however they want box I will box it and when I sell an item or trade I do have it insurance I have never had this problem before but sir hope you get all your money back that was dead people are not honest good luck I enjoy watching your buying on my cell phone TH-cam or whatever you want to call it I love it good luck on getting your money back or you should get it by I'm on your side 100% +
What a shame and a waste Bryan. To survive intact for over 70 years and come to this. I'd be really pissed off too! Do the packing video and see if TH-cam can make it a feature.
GAWD! I HATE that! It makes my GUTS HURT inside to see that! Frikken IDIOTS! I'm GLAD you at LEAST got a FULL REFUND! I HOPE you left some nice NEGATIVE feedback, too!
Nice rant! I hate it when vintage electronics breaks during shipping. What a bonehead when sellers tried to attempt to ship it. The Victor Victrola from the 1910's and 1920's are way better than this one.
If you are doing a packing video, definitely cover CRT TVs. Given my previous comment detailing how badly packed one of the 2 Sony Trinitrons I ordered eBay sellers definitely need education on packing heavy CRT TVs. :P
I feel for you!....Seeing this makes me both angry and sorry, angry about all these idiot/careless/rude sellers, who does not, or aren´t even willing to, follow your packaging advices...And sorry about that poor record player. I did had the same "experience" several times. Usually, for me it´s not the money, it´s more the equiplent that gets destroyed during shipping due to poor and sometimes even careless packaging (i expected more money on that, now i use packaging as my personal revenge). I want, better expect(!!), the unit to arrive in the same condition as it was when it had been at the seller´s place. Also i usually write some stuff about packaging, especially when heavy untis and/or tubes are involved. I also did that one time when i bid and won an big philips EL6435 tube amp. I usually don´t trust even double boxes, also i unserstand that ppl usually don´t have fitting boxes at home, if they aren´t much into selling and shipping. I then aks them if it´s possible to put the unit in a heavy duty plastic bag and a 4inch wider carton in every direction and foam that thing entirely and close it right away. so when the foam sets it´ll usually seal the box right up and nothing is gonna harm the unit even if you drop the box. I also ask if it´s possible to take out that tubes and ship it using another cardboard box well wrapped. That poor 6435 i was talking about ealier was shipped to me like this: put in a flimsy cardboard box with just one layer of paper on top, and also only on top. That amp weight is about 25kg or 55 pounds as you say...and also the tubes had been left inside. Usually these type of amps doesn´t show up much, even on ebay...i searched over years for these, in order to have a pair....So a simple refund doesn´t justify a destroyed amp, at least not for me. Arrived condition: chassis (3mm steel!) broken and bend several times, most tubes broken as they came loose and flown around in the chassis. Power tranny supports sheared off, one more hit and the tranny would have fly around as well. I stripped the chassis completely and gave it to a metalwork shop in order to fix the entire thing...cost me about the same what i paid for it at ebay...and did a complete rebuilt myself afterwards. Actually i think i´m about to experience that again...i was lucky on a philips 6420 also a very early PA amp, even with two mercury vapor power rectifiers...let´s see how that tunes out. I also wrote some stuff about packaging and shipping...No response for seval days, and then he simply said: too late i already shipped it....Tubes left inside, and the usual newspaper layers as stuffing (at least i guess from the words he returned) while the amp weights also around 50pounds...
last week from fleabay I got a G.E. P-2710 transistor radio [1961] sent to me in AN ENVELOPE!!!!??? needless to say it didn't survive the crosscountry trip-showed up DOA. these idiots don't respect for vintage equipment.
I'd let Ebay know, and send pictures. And demand your money back! That's worked for me! Just as Alan mentioned below. It also looks like water damage as well!! Ebay will drop them like a rock!!!! Don't let the 14-Days run out.
It's not even worth it to buy on eBay anymore and take the chance. More and more sellers are either Stupid or Scum. Those praise worthy feedback ratings are mostly lies as well.
Actually, I had a bakelite radio get sent in a box very poorly packed. I was so pissed! It got broken at the bottom and ruined a perfectly good radio. I went to the postmaster and proved it was packed poorly and got a refund from the post office.
I don't know who came with a package of this horrible disaster. It was the USPS Smashers, just like the UPS Smashers, the same guys who sent a 1949 Emerson AM radio & RCA licensed 45 player that got destroyed back in 2013 due to heavy bakelite material in shipping.Bakelite is worst than plastic from the 1970's.
You're way nicer than I am. I actually rat the seller out by their user name on e-Prey. I want to make the public aware of that seller's rotten customer service.
he got his refund. hope this you tube video was a convincing factor splattered out for all to see. ethically you can't publicly indentify the ebay seller but they can squirm when their junk is made public display on you tube, FB and other media. they will hope no one remembers that listing or their seller's "name". most ebay seller's do what's right and keep repeat customers. i buy from sellers that done me right before and well packed my items.
Buying record players on bay is truly a crapshoot. 1/10 pack it properly, 7/10 arrive ok. That one actually isn't that bad compared to a couple of Elac Miracords I bought.
That seller just killed a nice turntable from bad packing. I make sure you rate them low on eBay. Think the sell should go out of there way to find you the same thing. If sellers had to go out of there way to make good what they sell they be packing things right
anselb2000 Bakelite is the worst compared to plastic from the 1960's and 1970's. I remember last year I had a GE AM clock radio from 1951 and it was all made of Bakelite. I hate Bakelite a lot. The Victor Victrola VV 8-4 from 1926 is far better than this Bakelite garbage from 1946, and it has a crank to wind it up and play a 78 the way it used to sounded back in the 1920's. And the rest of it was all wooded construction for a vintage piece of furniture.
bakelite once broken is almost impossible to repair. even jb weld doesn't work too good on it. sad to see vintage electronics destroyed from half assed packing. they can make the shipping trip if properly packed. many sellers accomplish that everyday w/o problems and have happy customers with return ebay business.
Just look on eBay and not saying there not a turntable like that in the world but not on eBay. That was a nice style of turntable. Sad the seller killed it by bad packing. No way you can get that turntable back to what it was before it got trashed with bad packing
If it comes to orders instead of stores people will get pissed off on damage goods.that will happen to anything that is orders and the stores go were in big trouble.
whan this happens, i dont even care about the money but it is not about me but it is about this nice vintage equiptment being broke. if you make a packing video would i have permission to include a link when i buy something?
This will likely be the last Bakelite anything that I buy from Ebay, unless I know who is selling the item. It seems like every time I buy somehting made of Bakelite, it arrives damaged and then I have to jump through fire to get my money back.
Julia M I buy stuff on eBay including cartoons on 8mm, 16mm and Super 8, vinyl LP's, 45's and 78's and VHS tapes, but not this. Bakelite is the worst than plastic from the 1970's. My GE Wildcat has hard plastic material in the design. 1970's was the worst decade for cheap plastic electronics like the way Crosley did it today. GE made these record players in the 1970's when they made the "Swingmate" ("Automatic") and the "Wildcat" and they were the anti-Crosley players.
julia m i'd give them a -5 if i could. i received a rca 45-ey-3 from ebay 2 months back that was half assed packed and arrived with damage to bottom from broken internal supports. seller did refund my money w/o a problem on receipt of return. $ 250.00 USD hard to forget. had it been packed right, no problem would have existed.easier to pack it right and tight and recycle used packing material.always plenty of it left over from other ebay items we buy as well as those styrofoam peanuts. not crazy about having to pick them up from the floor but they do work well in packing vintage electronics. i always go on overkill when packing a box.no excuse for this damage.
the people who shipped this to you the way they did had no right charging what they did or even lisitng it if they were gonna ship it ruined or let it get ruined like that '
Fact is, some people don't care. Don't wish to care. Sorry this happen to a beautiful piece that lasted so long. Plenty of morons sell on eBay without regard to anyone but themselves. Remember. Bondo and Paint will make it what it ain't.
That's inexcusable---another valuable piece of history destroyed by some dimbulb seller who only cares about getting your money. That's why I no longer buy anything bakelite on ebay. I'm glad you got a refund, at least
I got a full refund from the seller.
Sucks just the same......a nice piece of gear is gone forever.
It was a typical EOL for the Wards Airline 78 RPM player from 1946.
radiotvphononut - So glad to hear that the seller fully refunded you because they should as that packaging was a huge careless disgrace! Gee it’s not that darn hard or expensive to properly pack/wrap something.
glad to hear that. maybe they will be more careful in the future. i would still rate them negative over their sloppy packing job.
Bryan I been a fan of your repair video's fantastic reminds me of the classroom record player that was just tossed in the box from seller no packing and the post office allowed it to be shipped
It’s so sad that this beautiful Phonograph got ruined.
Another thing that people forget to do is that you can have the post office stamp it as FRAGILE. Doesn't cost a thing extra.
The worst shipping that I heard of was from a friend of mine who was a high bidder on a 60's portable suitcase-style stereo, the kind where the speakers are attached on the sides. It was sent WITHOUT A BOX with just the shipping label attached to the outside of the unit, and it arrived scratched up and missing a speaker!
This just pisses me off. Even if you do get your money back. This piece of history, is still destroyed. It could have been avoided. Yes, it could have been avoided if they would have listen. But these quick buck Ebay sellers, think they know better than us vintage collectors..
Emerson Collie But then, the Nintendo Switch is started to get cracks on there since it has been overheated by playing a game too much.
That reminds me of the one time I bought an old Apple Macintosh G4 Computer for a friend on fleabay....the seller didn't even bother putting any padding into the box and the computer case was completely smashed up (luckily it still worked and that's what counted....this was before me knowing how to handle such things on fleabay so I basically took the loss).
The packing video seems like a very good idea.
I've sold stuff on fleabay that was heavy and it arrived in good condition and I even got a compliment from the buyer for packing it properly - usually takes me at least an hour or more to pack something properly though, so for low value items it's usually not worth my time to bother selling it in the first place....
It never ceases to amaze me how lazy some people are on eBay when it comes to packing an item YOU paid the winning bid amount/buy-it-now price + shipping for - especially if the shipping charges are high.
Reminds me of a bid I once placed a few years ago for an early model VCR - paid the seller the bid amount plus postage charges - when it arrived, the machine was loose inside a large box with no secure packing or any protection at all.
There were pieces of plastic and metal inside the unit as well as fragments in the box. The VCR was salvageable to a point (and yes it worked after I replaced the broken bits and re-aligned the mechanism).
Suffice to say that seller received NO feedback from me for that transaction and I didn't buy anything from him again.
So I completely understand your position, Mr. Radiotvphononut when it comes to eBay and some sellers' shenanigans. That record player would have been super awesome if it wasn't damaged. I'm glad you got your money back.
Bryan, open a case and demand a refund. No excuse for this!
he did and he won :)
Pity the record player was so badly damaged. Love the sound of the train horn during the video.
It’s interesting seeing these eBay rants from you. On one hand, I’ve had a problem like this with an 80s sears desk fan that arrived with a broken blade, so I can relate. On the other, I made the same mistake myself with packaging a halogen torchiere and it arrived to the buyer completely destroyed. I obviously gave her a refund, but I still feel terrible about doing such a poor job packing it.
Bryan,
It's interesting to see that the tape on the bottom is USPS tape. Makes me wonder if the Post Office taped it up themselves because the seller's tape job was so poorly done.
I like the idea of you doing a video that you can send the seller on how you expect your purchase to be packed.
Regards, Tom
THOMMGB No, the tape is put on there by the PO to identify it as Priority Mail. They do not pack customers packages.
If you buy packing tape from the post office it has the USPS logo and text on the tape.
oh goody a radiophononut rant these are almost as good as shango066 dead pan humor/just him talking
I hate those careless eBay sellers . Most of the stuff you buy from them is over 60 years old and has lasted that long.agh it really bugs me. Also, keep up the amazing work man!
This is one of my record players in my collection.My is in pristine condition.Shipped from Calif. To Florida.I order on Etsy....many of my players are purchased from Etsy..
glad you got the refund back brian. i happen to notice a new trend on flebay with sellers for radios and the like be carefull of a lowball buy it now price and check the shipping charges. sometimes more than what they whant for the item!! saw one zenith from the late 30s for a buy it now at 85 and want 150 tho ship it . hope they were going to drive it to my house for that!!
I glad you got your money back ,the restored radio I just bought off eBay pack my radio so well it took me a half hour to unwrap it,but I not complaining ,plus he was nice enough to give me instructions of what to check before I turned it on ,now that's how it done people ,it was doubled boxed packing Styrofoam every where ,lots of good bubble wrap ,I wish I would have taken pictures on how a proper box was done .
Sorry to see that the sellers still do not have a clue. Living here in Hawaii, we always cringe when we need to order anything
big and delicate from a seller. Thankfully I have had s very successful time these past few years and all has been well. I
have always done as you suggested and offered to pay extra for shipping to have things packed the right way. I have
had to cancel some of my purchases when the sellers said they would not do as I requested on the packing. If possible
I try to message them before I purchase an item but that is not always possible. Glad to see your videos again. Aloha
When it comes to packing something like that;
SEAL IT LIKE FORT KNOX!!
Bakelite cabinetry should be treated like glass. Tell the shipper it is an antique
and treat it like it is glass. Got a 45rpm RCA changer that cracked in one corner
because of hopeless wrapping of small bubble wrap that still allowed the unit
to wander around inside the box. Got a full refund thankfully.
I once bought an audio-technica LP120 from the US to Australia, the slap dash seller threw complete TT into the orig box without foam blocks, it arrived damaged, the AT-440 stylus destroyed, anti-skate broken, cosmetic damage to plinth. The platter, headshell, counter weight, 45 piece must be removed for shipping, It comes partially dis-assembled by manufacturer
These damn seller all they care is taking people's money and just throw the item in a box.
Well, I hope they don't get too attached to my money because it's about to get snatched from their hands. If they want this wreck back, they can pay the return shipping charges and I'll pack it just like it was sent to me.
radiotvphononut if I buy from eBay is going to be from a good responsible seller that I already know it cares about the buyer and the item.
my feeling exactly. hit them in the wallet and negative feedback.
I go with trusted sellers - who have more than 98% positive feedback. if they have less, I steer clear of them.
RoughJustice 2k18 same here
That's so sad that the really cool record player go ruined. I don't blame you at all for making this video.
Been there...like you, got full refunds...but money can't replace valuable vintage pieces!
I feel for you, brother. Just 2 weeks ago I had same issue, a Motorola 3-way radio arrived broken due to poor packing. I calmly sent them pictures of the broken cabinet and compared it to the pix from their original listing, and they gave me a full refund (purchase + shipping). So I got a free radio for parts, not bad. But you are right about the disappointment us collectors feel when something like this happens.
I’ve bought two players from you Brian in the past
Always comes with more than enough packing and well packed. That here is unacceptable
Yeah eBay is really a hit and miss when it comes to packing and shipping. Especially for old CRT TVs. I got two DOA 13 inchers from eBay and one 12 inch B&W tv that survived.
First one was a Sony KV13TR24 Trinitron. This was shipped via USPS Priority mail and it took a beating. The bottom screw mounts to the CRT broke off the front shell and as a result the tube pivoted upwards in shipping causing the neckboard to crack in half and snap off the end of the necktube. So have one with a dead CRT. This seller did a piss poor job at packing it. Only a single layer of thin bubble wrap with newspaper wadding and a sprinkling of packing peanuts. Definitely not good enough at all for shipping a CRT this size! Got full refund from that seller though. Luckily thus far none of them have given me any trouble refunding items damaged in shipping/being DOA.
Then since the seller didn't ask me to send it back, I tossed the large bits to the trash (Dead CRT and the plastic housing) and kept the board and neck board along with the deflection yoke and the speaker.
Then I found another KV13TR24 from a different seller. Went for the same model TV since I had parts to that one now thanks to the last seller not packing it good. :P
The second TV came from a seller that had a history of shipping TVs and 100% feedback.
And...This one also arrived DOA. But it was packed very well. Plenty of plastic padding, layer of thick bubble wrap and the TV was packed in facing down. This one was shipped UPS Ground and took about 5 days to get to me. (I live in Texas and this was shipped from all the way from Seattle Washington!)
The CRT mounts failed in the exact same way. Bottom screw mount plastic broke off. Tube lifted up enough to crack the neckboard. So contacted the seller about this and also got full refund. He also didn't ask me to send it back. I'm starting to think the plastic is just too brittle for a TV this age to survive in shipping no matter how well it's packed. This perticular TV was made in 1991 (with the first one with the dead CRT being a year older).
But I was lucky with the second TV. The tube survived. The neckboard was nearly pulled off the tube and the neckboard also had a crack, but somehow the neck of the tube didn't break. The tube didn't move up as much as it did with the last TV.
The crack was also much smaller and only went across 3 traces (the first TV's neckboard had the crack happen at a different angle. Seems to break 8+ traces. Could probably fix that one but not worth it since I have one in much better condition. Kept it only for the components on the board which are all still good I believe)
After bridging those broken traces by soldering a wire across them, the TV still wouldn't power on. The main board had a crack near the flyback. But the only traces I seen this crack go across already had a wire soldered across it (with the second trace I saw broken going to one of the deflection yoke connectors. I soldered a wire onto that to bridge that one).
So this TV already had a cracked PCB before it was even shipped? There is also apparent moister/water damage? The RF shield metal cage covering the OSD/Picture control IC has significant rust as well as the metal housing to the RF tuner module. There was a sprinkling of copper rust/oxidation on the back of one of the voltage regulator ICs in the power supply circuit. I bet something died in the power circuit on this board.
In any case I gave up trying to get this board to work since I had a whole other board that probably still worked. I already got refunded and didn't have to send this back so I had nothing to lose trying to fix it.
So I took the main board from the last TV (since it is identical model to this one) and plopped it into this one. The board to that one survived somehow despite being from the TV that was poorly packed and took a bigger beating from USPS. No evidance of water damage either. This TV was also shipped from a location less then 300 miles from me and USPS still managed to ***k it up. Though the poor packing of this TV is probably more to blame then USPS. Seller to the first TV didn't even put any labels indicating that it was fragile. Second seller didn't either though....
I did some fine tuning to the trim pots on the board to get the sub-color/sub contrast where I want and also reduced the vertical overscan a little bit. I also adjusted the trim pots on the neckboard to make sure white balance is good.
The TV powers on now and looks great. The composite inputs it has really holds it back in terms of how good it can look so I plan to RGB mod this TV at some point. Also looks like I don't have to fiddle with the deflection yoke/magnets/convergence strips. The geometry/convergance on this TV appear to be as good as it was from the factory. :D
This TV really is really good for how old it is. I may do a video of my own on this TV at some point. (probably after I have RGB modded it)
As for the 12 inch B&W el cheapo china set. That one survived thanks to being shipped in it's original box. Despite that a plastic cover to one of the inductors on the main board came loose. Seemed to be cosmetic though. TV operates as well as the design allows. :P I ended up composite input modding that one. Made it look pretty nice for a cheap china TV made in 1999. :P
Long story short I wouldn't recommend getting a CRT TV off ebay that exceeds 12 inches in size (especially Sony Trintrons. They are heavier due to how they are designed). Only reason I put up with having 2 dead sets come to me from Ebay was that my area sucks and there just aren't any good TVs to be found for sale locally. :(
What a Bozo! I pack items well as if I were buying the item myself. Glad you were refunded.
See when i mailed my 6" telescope mirror to palo alto california to get re-aluminized the post office guy here made sure there was "Fragile" labels on every side of the outside box. He said without those it's going to kicked around like a football for sure.
I don't know how many videos like this I've seen. I've never ordered anything from EBay & it's highly unlikely I ever will.
Tragic and disgusting. Get a refund if possible. Thanks for all your cool videos.
That's a shame about the record player being damaged, but glad you got a full refund.
20 bucks Shipping for that?! That’s insane, Itd be one thing if it was properly packaged but not that....
correction...$28...lol!
Something worst than that happened to me.. early 50s Emerson TV set was double boxed without using any packing material.. UPS driver sat the box on the doorstep in front of me and I heard broken glass sound.. I opened it up and yup pic tube destroyed, and cabinet coming apart.. The set was not even salvageable after that packing job.. I messaged the seller and told about their horrifying packing job and I was to get a full refund including the shipping... They did refund me, but still an antique destroyed..
I once bought a His Masters Voice 101 1930s portable phonograph from the UK (I live in Germany btw.). The sole package was one (!) layer of brown packaging paper and some strings around it. And guess what, it actually arrived without damage.
Sadly, eBay did away with the refund part. Now its "return" only requiring you to send it back to start a refund process. eBay generates the return label with the data given during auction listing/details, and bills it to the seller's account. Once the package arrives then eBay starts the refund process. I've been through it a couple times now.
I have absolutely no idea as to why eBay decided to ditch the "refund" option. The "return" only policy makes eBay think that everything that sells on their website can be easily replaceable.
I just went through the same exact situation with poor packaging, and the radio was ultimately destroyed. I purchased the radio for parts only, but the parts that I had wanted were destroyed during the shipment process. Sent the seller a message, suggesting even a partial refund would be acceptable. The only responses from the seller was to ship it back for a refund, which most people don't have time for.
When did they do away with it? I got a partial refund on something a couple of weeks ago without sending anything back
Archie Bunker I feel your pain, but I know exactly why they did away with it. If you remember the CEO announced that eBay is moving to become a product-based company instead of a flea market based company. They are trying to become Amazon Sadly... The only way you can get a refund through Amazon without a return is through the chat system.
justsomeguytoyou it's been at least a year or so. But sellers can still refund you outside of eBay if they wish which still happens from time to time. But you can no longer go through the official eBay processes for refund only anymore.
Ebay did away with the refund policy due to scammers getting items than reversing payments getting thier cash back PLUS shipper claims
Im sure if the seller wants to manually refund they can still send you a "refund" using paypal. Thats up to the seller not some scammer.
I subscribe to radiotvphononut to get a lesson in electronic repair from someone with technique. But something occurred to me while watching this video. With his preference for working on vintage units, radiotvphononut is preserving individual pieces of Americana.
That is ridiculous. I would be very disappointed too. What a mess!
This reminds me of a radio that I bought quite a few years ago, it’s a GE tube radio model H-620 with AM and SW bands, it has a crack running a long the right side of the radio which the seller included a picture of the crack in the listing but it was hard to tell how big it was, which I’m not mad because it was repaired before I bought it. All in all it’s a great sounding radio with its marbled Bakelite cabinet. I bet when these radios, record players were new the people who bought them new probably though that they weren’t going to 50 plus year. Try doing that with today’s electronics with are disposable economy.
This video reminds me of "Crazy Machines - Die Erfinderwerkstatt", and a stove I didn't need on the street.
There is no excuse for ANYONE shipping an item to be that STUPID ! Even if it was double boxed, the outer box was garbage. It looked like it had be reused several times. That reminds me on the time I bought a Technics turntable from an Ebay seller and he left the patter on the unit. They have no kind of snap ring or keeper on the platter of those things. They have to be taken off, wrapped good with some cardboard around it and packed under the unit. I was very lucky the tone arm did not get destroyed, but it did scratch up the top or the unit.
Ok that's good about the refund. Did they ask you to return it?
I once was forced to decide between keeping a shipping-damaged VTR in ultra-rare low mileage condition or returning it and loosing the cost of shipping. And thus not being able to afford to try again. "Luckily" I had all parts needed to repair sufficiently. But when you see one of the feet of a 70 lb vtr having punched a clean cut circle out of the bottom of the single wall shipping box you know beer is going to be better then coffee. The thing must have had well over 500 lbs piled on top to bend up the all steel frame as it did.
I absolutely DESPISE these STUPID "experts" in packing! I bought a Pioneer turntable in pristine condition several years ago and got basically the same BS about him knowing how to pack it. When I opened the box I could have literally killed him had it not been against the law. Platter was not removed, wrapped separately, counterweight had been left on and it acted like a wrecking ball in a glass factory. What the platter didn't destroy the counterweight did. The SOB closed his eBay account and left me high and dry. Being a novice to eBay I did not know there were other paths I could have taken to get my money back so I "ate" close to $150.00! Now I don't take crap off of any of them. If I get junk from a seller, they know about it and if they even blink I let eBay have them.
I had that problem once before. Got a full refund thankfully.
no excuse for this half assed packing. i have received rca 45 record players rp-168's and 190's ( made in 1949 and 1950 )sold for parts packed better than that w/o breakage or cracking from ebay sellers. they turned out to be nice enough to restore which is in progress. i received a rca 6-J 78 record player made in 1946 from a ebay seller last week that was well packed and no damage to same. hit that seller hard and w/o mercy. hit them in the wallet and a negative feedback. tough shit,they did it to themselves.too bad we can't give then a --10 on feedback.
I like when they use Wadded balls of newspaper as packing material.
Whenever I ship, I make sure to put a ton of padding, and when I put it in the box I give it a good shake test. If it feels loose, I add more. My rule of thumb is I want at least 4 inches of bubble wrap between the item and the corner of a box. If it's an antique/fragile item, I double box it and I explain I double box and show photos of it on ebay on how I shipped it to justify the added cost of shipping. If it's just a power cord/transformer, I still bubble wrap it to make sure it doesn't rattle. The lazy ebay sellers need to go. Sad you even offered to pay more to have it well packed/shipped. Bubble wrap isn't that expensive from Walmart.
my way of packing a box.
Fill in the holes from the missing pieces with. Bondo .like Bondo Bob does on arcade video games
I feel bad , I refund I was you. Not happy with so sad see this. Ones happened to me on eBay, seller pay it back I can keep it for nothing. So I sell some part for the phonograph. Thank. This beautiful phono I never seen this.
I just bought a radio shack answering machine from 1981 and the thing was sent in a box so tiny it was bulging and all that was in there was a piece of paper as "packing"! and mind you the answering machine is a tank, its 15 lbs. and also a calculator i just bought was the same way! it's despicable!
sad to see that 78 airline player busted up. love that tear drop design( probably a rca clone ). at least you got your money back. did they ask you to return the item?
I hate ordering thing off eBay anymore they want a premium price for common junk. I see a bunch of common thing and people say they are rare. I bought a 8 track player the guy said it worked good but the head was missing
I once sold a very valuable guitar on ebay and I made sure that it was packed properly and insured properly. I think anyone who is going to sell anything on ebay should know what they are selling, how fragile it might be and how to properly pack it!
Beatiful record player, really sucks that it was smashed. At least you got a full refund because that packing job was horrible
I am glad that they refunded your money!
The issue is people don’t know what to charge for shipping on eBay
They charge to much no one will buy it
Not enough, won’t have enough to pack well
Better to charge more and get packed better
Not a way to tell how it is packed until it was opened, it did not have any protection in the box, I think it would have been ok had they did what you requested for packing well.
That poor phono was unfortunately offered by a yard sale flipper who didn’t care about properly shipping vintage electronics.
my dearest bryan, PLEASE stop buying things from ebay! it is obvious that you can't trust these assholes, so you should stop setting yourself up for disappointment. you can't save them all, unfortunately. so, do what you can, and leave the rest. i bought a radio from you, and it was packed perfectly and it arrived undamaged. YOU know what you're doing, and i will always trust you. in my experience, NOBODY will ever care about things as much as you (or i) do. best to you, always.
On really important stuff I am thinking of sending a road case to the seller to use.........I am not sure what other option you have if there is no pack and send near by.
Harb's Elecronics Lab Last week, I order all 19 of my Shirley Temple VHS tapes, and the package arrived, nothing got smashed, and the tapes are still in good shape, and the clamshells are a bit beat up, but looks okay.
I agree with the man that record player has not packed right he needs his money back sir good luck I hope you do get your money by I've been dealing for year when somebody buy something for me I box it however they want box I will box it and when I sell an item or trade I do have it insurance I have never had this problem before but sir hope you get all your money back that was dead people are not honest good luck I enjoy watching your buying on my cell phone TH-cam or whatever you want to call it I love it good luck on getting your money back or you should get it by I'm on your side 100% +
I've grown to dislike eBay because of issues like this and the crazy high prices. Still use it for smaller Chinese electronic items..
What a shame and a waste Bryan. To survive intact for over 70 years and come to this. I'd be really pissed off too! Do the packing video and see if TH-cam can make it a feature.
GAWD! I HATE that! It makes my GUTS HURT inside to see that! Frikken IDIOTS! I'm GLAD you at LEAST got a FULL REFUND! I HOPE you left some nice NEGATIVE feedback, too!
Nice rant! I hate it when vintage electronics breaks during shipping. What a bonehead when sellers tried to attempt to ship it.
The Victor Victrola from the 1910's and 1920's are way better than this one.
What kind of glue does one use to glue back bakelite?
If you are doing a packing video, definitely cover CRT TVs. Given my previous comment detailing how badly packed one of the 2 Sony Trinitrons I ordered eBay sellers definitely need education on packing heavy CRT TVs. :P
When you buy from a seller do you send a message telling bad packing is a deal killer? I do and never had a problem ..... so far....
I feel for you!....Seeing this makes me both angry and sorry, angry about all these idiot/careless/rude sellers, who does not, or aren´t even willing to, follow your packaging advices...And sorry about that poor record player.
I did had the same "experience" several times. Usually, for me it´s not the money, it´s more the equiplent that gets destroyed during shipping due to poor and sometimes even careless packaging (i expected more money on that, now i use packaging as my personal revenge). I want, better expect(!!), the unit to arrive in the same condition as it was when it had been at the seller´s place.
Also i usually write some stuff about packaging, especially when heavy untis and/or tubes are involved. I also did that one time when i bid and won an big philips EL6435 tube amp.
I usually don´t trust even double boxes, also i unserstand that ppl usually don´t have fitting boxes at home, if they aren´t much into selling and shipping.
I then aks them if it´s possible to put the unit in a heavy duty plastic bag and a 4inch wider carton in every direction and foam that thing entirely and close it right away. so when the foam sets it´ll usually seal the box right up and nothing is gonna harm the unit even if you drop the box.
I also ask if it´s possible to take out that tubes and ship it using another cardboard box well wrapped.
That poor 6435 i was talking about ealier was shipped to me like this: put in a flimsy cardboard box with just one layer of paper on top, and also only on top. That amp weight is about 25kg or 55 pounds as you say...and also the tubes had been left inside. Usually these type of amps doesn´t show up much, even on ebay...i searched over years for these, in order to have a pair....So a simple refund doesn´t justify a destroyed amp, at least not for me.
Arrived condition: chassis (3mm steel!) broken and bend several times, most tubes broken as they came loose and flown around in the chassis. Power tranny supports sheared off, one more hit and the tranny would have fly around as well. I stripped the chassis completely and gave it to a metalwork shop in order to fix the entire thing...cost me about the same what i paid for it at ebay...and did a complete rebuilt myself afterwards.
Actually i think i´m about to experience that again...i was lucky on a philips 6420 also a very early PA amp, even with two mercury vapor power rectifiers...let´s see how that tunes out. I also wrote some stuff about packaging and shipping...No response for seval days, and then he simply said: too late i already shipped it....Tubes left inside, and the usual newspaper layers as stuffing (at least i guess from the words he returned) while the amp weights also around 50pounds...
how is this packaging even LEGAL
last week from fleabay I got a G.E. P-2710 transistor radio [1961] sent to me in AN ENVELOPE!!!!??? needless to say it didn't survive the crosscountry trip-showed up DOA. these idiots don't respect for vintage equipment.
I'd let Ebay know, and send pictures. And demand your money back! That's worked for me!
Just as Alan mentioned below. It also looks like water damage as well!! Ebay will drop them
like a rock!!!! Don't let the 14-Days run out.
It's not even worth it to buy on eBay anymore and take the chance. More and more sellers are either Stupid or Scum. Those praise worthy feedback ratings are mostly lies as well.
Get your money back , but you can file a claim with the post office there's 50 dollar insurance
next time ask for photographs of the boxes and shipping materials to be used before purchasing
That just sucks!! Stuff like this makes you wonder where common sense has gone.
Actually, I had a bakelite radio get sent in a box very poorly packed. I was so pissed! It got broken at the bottom and ruined a perfectly good radio. I went to the postmaster and proved it was packed poorly and got a refund from the post office.
I don't know who came with a package of this horrible disaster. It was the USPS Smashers, just like the UPS Smashers, the same guys who sent a 1949 Emerson AM radio & RCA licensed 45 player that got destroyed back in 2013 due to heavy bakelite material in shipping.Bakelite is worst than plastic from the 1970's.
That's such a Shane. That looks like it was a cool record player, too.
You're way nicer than I am. I actually rat the seller out by their user name on e-Prey. I want to make the public aware of that seller's rotten customer service.
Send this video to ebay!
he got his refund. hope this you tube video was a convincing factor splattered out for all to see. ethically you can't publicly indentify the ebay seller but they can squirm when their junk is made public display on you tube, FB and other media. they will hope no one remembers that listing or their seller's "name". most ebay seller's do what's right and keep repeat customers. i buy from sellers that done me right before and well packed my items.
Buying record players on bay is truly a crapshoot. 1/10 pack it properly, 7/10 arrive ok. That one actually isn't that bad compared to a couple of Elac Miracords I bought.
That's a damned shame
That seller just killed a nice turntable from bad packing. I make sure you rate them low on eBay. Think the sell should go out of there way to find you the same thing. If sellers had to go out of there way to make good what they sell they be packing things right
What a shame a rare old item like that gets destroyed from carelessness. I sure would not want to have to patch up the bakelite!
anselb2000 Bakelite is the worst compared to plastic from the 1960's and 1970's. I remember last year I had a GE AM clock radio from 1951 and it was all made of Bakelite. I hate Bakelite a lot. The Victor Victrola VV 8-4 from 1926 is far better than this Bakelite garbage from 1946, and it has a crank to wind it up and play a 78 the way it used to sounded back in the 1920's. And the rest of it was all wooded construction for a vintage piece of furniture.
bakelite once broken is almost impossible to repair. even jb weld doesn't work too good on it. sad to see vintage electronics destroyed from half assed packing. they can make the shipping trip if properly packed. many sellers accomplish that everyday w/o problems and have happy customers with return ebay business.
Just look on eBay and not saying there not a turntable like that in the world but not on eBay. That was a nice style of turntable. Sad the seller killed it by bad packing. No way you can get that turntable back to what it was before it got trashed with bad packing
people just don't want to spend the time to do it right
If it comes to orders instead of stores people will get pissed off on damage goods.that will happen to anything that is orders and the stores go were in big trouble.
whan this happens, i dont even care about the money but it is not about me but it is about this nice vintage equiptment being broke. if you make a packing video would i have permission to include a link when i buy something?
and if they won't pay return postage, KEEP IT, besides the full refund or Pp charge back!
glue the pieces and then use bondo
Tells us who it was, what are they going to do, sue you, lot's of luck!!
Your mony back.
Did the record player work
shipping like this disgusts me
Stop buying from idiots from ebay and create a claim. And give them a one star.
This will likely be the last Bakelite anything that I buy from Ebay, unless I know who is selling the item. It seems like every time I buy somehting made of Bakelite, it arrives damaged and then I have to jump through fire to get my money back.
Julia M I buy stuff on eBay including cartoons on 8mm, 16mm and Super 8, vinyl LP's, 45's and 78's and VHS tapes, but not this. Bakelite is the worst than plastic from the 1970's. My GE Wildcat has hard plastic material in the design. 1970's was the worst decade for cheap plastic electronics like the way Crosley did it today. GE made these record players in the 1970's when they made the "Swingmate" ("Automatic") and the "Wildcat" and they were the anti-Crosley players.
julia m i'd give them a -5 if i could. i received a rca 45-ey-3 from ebay 2 months back that was half assed packed and arrived with damage to bottom from broken internal supports. seller did refund my money w/o a problem on receipt of return. $ 250.00 USD hard to forget. had it been packed right, no problem would have existed.easier to pack it right and tight and recycle used packing material.always plenty of it left over from other ebay items we buy as well as those styrofoam peanuts. not crazy about having to pick them up from the floor but they do work well in packing vintage electronics. i always go on overkill when packing a box.no excuse for this damage.
Yet another reason I don't do ePay.
the people who shipped this to you the way they did had no right charging what they did or even lisitng it if they were gonna ship it ruined or let it get ruined like that
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horrible packing.
How about an update?
I hate GREEDBAY!
Fact is, some people don't care. Don't wish to care. Sorry this happen to a beautiful piece that lasted so long. Plenty of morons sell on eBay without regard to anyone but themselves.
Remember. Bondo and Paint will make it what it ain't.
That's inexcusable---another valuable piece of history destroyed by some dimbulb seller who only cares about getting your money. That's why I no longer buy anything bakelite on ebay. I'm glad you got a refund, at least