I want to add the corruption arrows you can fire from the War Bow. Adds a green/yellow corruption tendrils to a machine, and turns it hostile toward everything, but doesn't appear to strengthen it in any way. Also not a permanent corruption like that of HADES
With the post credits scene featuring Sylens and HADES as well as seeing HEPHAESTUS making machines more dangerous and aggressive , CYAN, and the mystery behind the signal of unknown origin that corrupted HADES in 3020, I can already tell that there is going to be a second DLC or a sequel.
Most likely a sequel as they have already released a 'complete edition'. Would look bad if they released another DLC and were like "oh, well, the Definitely Complete Edition".
So, the things i'm confused about: 1) Is corruption (taking control of robots) and Daemonic corruption physical? It seems to physically exist and fly around and hurt people. How could malicious code do this? Nanobots? And why? Actual hacking of robots and such is much less visual / physical. Speaking of why is Hades corruption actually poisen but Hephestus only makes the machine stronger (and lacking fire weakness) 2) if corruption is just a means of taking control of something, and it was a process perfected by the Scarab line of robots, why is Hephestus using it? It's Faro tech and shouldn't Hephestus have no need to take over it's own machines? He already controls them I thought. Maybe just to make them stronger? Maybe to avoid others (like aloy) from taking them over? Maybe a counter measure against Hades? Now that I think about it... Maybe that's the reason. I'm gonna assume Hephestus does not like what Hades was doing. 3)Why does Aloy's ability to take over machines turn blue? Last I checked, she just took a Faros robot's part and started corrupting machines. Shouldn't they follow Hades? Shouldn't they cause damage to nature and people like corruption? Shouldn't it be red? Did Aloy somehow reprogram the device or maybe there is some other benefactor that secretly helped her (and then Sylens later?)
Hey Roco! Here are my thoughts 1.) I believe both are more internal than external. One possible answer may be since we see this story through the eyes/Focus of Aloy, its possible that only those with a focus are seeing what Aloy is seeing. For example, when she was a child in the ruins, at first she saw no lights, then when she activated her focus, then everything "turned on." Or when you are without a focus in the sacred mountain, the doors don't quite light up the same way. Almost a multi layered system within the focus, one being a passive/always on feature, while a more in depth perspective requires user activation. Obviously can't confirm, but something to ponder. To you're second question, I think the corruption's passive ability to "poison" has more to do with HADES more than FARO. While the daemonic, to what I have seen, only seems to effect electronics (ex. disabling overshield on shield weaver) 2.) It seems to me that the towers are not really possessing the machines, and are simply causing them to be more aggressive as well as repairing them. HADES showed a large degree of actual control and organization over his corrupted machines when he laid siege to Meridian, while Hephaestus, even with the towers, seems to have very little actual control over their systems if any. So I don't think HEPHAESTUS is using any Faro tech, simply creating more machines with progressively more hostile programming. I do like the thought on the two sub functions being at odds with each other! 3.) I have actually pondered the same thing. I think this one is most likely a useful plot device to give Aloy this ability more than anything else. If I had to speculate though, perhaps since the device is no longer attached to the rest of the FAS programming within the Scarab, then it became an autonomous network, exclusive to Aloy. It being blue and not red... because Aloy is the protagonist lol. Great points and questions! Always up to discuss lore!
3- When you first pick up the corruptor's reprogramming module, Aloy exclaims it's connecting to her focus. So, when she separated it from the Scarab, it immediately sought out a new network a la bluetooth device, found her focus and paired with it. The same happened with Sylens and his focus. As to how Aloy managed to configure this network, I think it was automatic actually. Remember that they are both FAS tech and the Scarab was actually meant to be controlled by humans at the head of the network. So on a battlefield, the few human operatives would command the FAS machines via their focuses most likely (lord help if you ever dropped it right). The blue light should just be a game element that they use to convey information to you, the player. At first, I thought it might be just your focus making your life easier once again, but then I remembered that at the Sun ring, you still see the machine's colour even when bereaved of your focus. So yeah, that's just game reality for you.
@@RandomSideQuest for 3, the hacking module was removed from the robot removing the communication system that connected to Hades. So it has to connect to a new signal and Aloy's focus was the closet device. Making Aloy's focus the network robots can be slaved to.
Just throwing ideas at the wall as a non-expert, but is it possible that the Chariot swarm uses their nanomachines to physically access electronics from the inside in order to hack enemy devices with no wireless network functionality? You can never cover too many bases in automated warfare, and it would excuse the need of a physical medium. The Control Towers causing daemonic corruption does resemble Faro tech as well, with the general frame of them and the occasionally protruding core. It may be a partial implementation of Chariot line hacking tech. While the machines are manufactured under HEPHAESTUS (technically meant to have been GAIA with HEPHAESTUS's functions) they were meant to be operated under the other subroutines for terraforming/recycling/communications purposes, so it's possible he doesn't actually have much direct control over individual units beyond defining their base programming and hardware specs.
I know I'm two years on to the original comment but I just picked up Zero Dawn about a week ago (since watching the trailer for the second game) and have been playing it religiously ever since and I'm really into its lore now. I absolutely LOVE the idea that HEPHESTUS and HADES might be sort of "fighting" with each other or at least are at odds. Maybe that'll be a major plot point for the next game? It would actually make sense, seeing that HADES wants to completely destroy the world all over again but HEPHESTUS' goal is to create the machines necessary to produce and keep life going. Will also be interesting to see what the other AI will do as well.
It would be interesting if HEPHAESTUS slaved some off the other subordinates as he did with CYAN. Getting AETHER and POSEIDON to do his bidding. It would also be cool if HEPHAESTUS was getting new ideas for robot designs from ARTEMIS as GAIA was the one who was supposed to design machines and HEPHAESTUS was just supposed to build them.
So when you override a cauldron in the game does that re-set the Cauldron to now return to making more docile machines or what? I know it helps Aloy in game but didn't know if there was something bigger to it.
You know what we haven’t truly faced thats scarier than Hades? The sentient Faro A.I the controller of the swarm as of right now it’s dormant but once unleashed it could devour the entire world once again and hades is trying gain access to the faro swarm robots
I think the nano bots the swarm uses are the same as the corruption, Since the corruption seems to have some kind of physical form since I remember times when characters without a focus saw the corruption along with there greater weakness to fire. The override might be when it’s connected to a focus and since corruption arrows are green it could just be that it’s unconnected to anything. As for daemonic machines I think its more so a actual modification to the machines to make them stronger.
It would be really cool if the sub functions battled each other. Obviously they don't hate each other or anything, it's just that their actions contradict each others base programming. Hades resurrecting Farro machines means Minerva tries to shut them down. Hephaestus's machines produce pollution in the air or sea, getting Poseidon\ aether involved. Hades in general could activate Artemis and Demeter. Of course, Alloy would have to activate these sub functions, or they could activate on their own for whatever reason.
I also wonder: how did Corruption hurt Aloy? Is there a technological element to the new generation of humanity? Is that why the Banuk are able to put that glowing blue cable under their skin without harm?
Nope . They actually sew them into their skin. Shamans only, thankfully. It's to be closer to the machines ,as they believe th a they hold the Blue Light. As for Corruption , I think that the Chariot line uses it not only to hack machines, but to form biofuel. In other words,it's nanotech that dissolves all organic matter,like a burn your skin
The biggest question I’ve always had is why are the machines still around? After the earth has been successfully terraformed (which it has) the earth and nature itself shouldn’t need help anymore and the natural way of the world such as before our time is all that’s needed. With that being said, the machines seem irrelevant. What I never understood is why not create a code where once the world is safe for humans and life, deactivate all machines and zero dawn facilities. At that point life and humans now have a chance to move on without the intervention of the machines.
Since the machines probably have more purposes than just terraforming (pollinisation, purifying the air, transporting materials, etc.) and that the complete flora and fauna couldn't be restored (because Apollo was wiped out), I think the AIs still need the machines to perform their duties. They help maintain the ecosystems in place of the now-instinct species. The original plan might've been for Apollo-educated humans to deactivate the machines once everything was restored, but that obviously didn't happen. I might've forgotten something there, but I think that's it! *Also, now that Gaia isn't there to restrain him, Hephaestus is doing exactly what he's intended: building more machines.
Simply put, due to the deletion of APOLLO, Which was supposed to be used by the new generation to learn how to control the terraforming system,their job was never finished.And it probably never will be. Only Phase 1 organisms were reintroduced into the wild. The plant life is in good shape,but might still need some work. Hunting by humans may have even slowed them down. No wonder HEPHAESTUS is angry.
I think chariot line can only slave other manufacturers' machines, meaning: robots we never saw, and also- gaia and hephastus technology. If you have small chariot line army vs another chariot line, you couldn't slave it, just as aloy can't slave a corruptor. But I wouldn't be surprised if the game creators didn't think that through.
Devin Sierra at the end of the dlc when aloy talks with CYAN she tells the AI she found a way to “calm” the machines and CYAN suggests it might be a part of GAIA when it got destroyed so this part merely turns them back to the original state they were designed to be in
I want to add the corruption arrows you can fire from the War Bow. Adds a green/yellow corruption tendrils to a machine, and turns it hostile toward everything, but doesn't appear to strengthen it in any way. Also not a permanent corruption like that of HADES
With the post credits scene featuring Sylens and HADES as well as seeing HEPHAESTUS making machines more dangerous and aggressive , CYAN, and the mystery behind the signal of unknown origin that corrupted HADES in 3020, I can already tell that there is going to be a second DLC or a sequel.
Gonna be great!
Most likely a sequel as they have already released a 'complete edition'. Would look bad if they released another DLC and were like "oh, well, the Definitely Complete Edition".
There’s already a sequel announced
So, the things i'm confused about:
1) Is corruption (taking control of robots) and Daemonic corruption physical? It seems to physically exist and fly around and hurt people. How could malicious code do this? Nanobots? And why? Actual hacking of robots and such is much less visual / physical. Speaking of why is Hades corruption actually poisen but Hephestus only makes the machine stronger (and lacking fire weakness)
2) if corruption is just a means of taking control of something, and it was a process perfected by the Scarab line of robots, why is Hephestus using it? It's Faro tech and shouldn't Hephestus have no need to take over it's own machines? He already controls them I thought. Maybe just to make them stronger? Maybe to avoid others (like aloy) from taking them over? Maybe a counter measure against Hades? Now that I think about it... Maybe that's the reason. I'm gonna assume Hephestus does not like what Hades was doing.
3)Why does Aloy's ability to take over machines turn blue? Last I checked, she just took a Faros robot's part and started corrupting machines. Shouldn't they follow Hades? Shouldn't they cause damage to nature and people like corruption? Shouldn't it be red? Did Aloy somehow reprogram the device or maybe there is some other benefactor that secretly helped her (and then Sylens later?)
Hey Roco! Here are my thoughts
1.) I believe both are more internal than external. One possible answer may be since we see this story through the eyes/Focus of Aloy, its possible that only those with a focus are seeing what Aloy is seeing. For example, when she was a child in the ruins, at first she saw no lights, then when she activated her focus, then everything "turned on." Or when you are without a focus in the sacred mountain, the doors don't quite light up the same way. Almost a multi layered system within the focus, one being a passive/always on feature, while a more in depth perspective requires user activation. Obviously can't confirm, but something to ponder.
To you're second question, I think the corruption's passive ability to "poison" has more to do with HADES more than FARO. While the daemonic, to what I have seen, only seems to effect electronics (ex. disabling overshield on shield weaver)
2.) It seems to me that the towers are not really possessing the machines, and are simply causing them to be more aggressive as well as repairing them. HADES showed a large degree of actual control and organization over his corrupted machines when he laid siege to Meridian, while Hephaestus, even with the towers, seems to have very little actual control over their systems if any. So I don't think HEPHAESTUS is using any Faro tech, simply creating more machines with progressively more hostile programming.
I do like the thought on the two sub functions being at odds with each other!
3.) I have actually pondered the same thing. I think this one is most likely a useful plot device to give Aloy this ability more than anything else. If I had to speculate though, perhaps since the device is no longer attached to the rest of the FAS programming within the Scarab, then it became an autonomous network, exclusive to Aloy. It being blue and not red... because Aloy is the protagonist lol.
Great points and questions! Always up to discuss lore!
3- When you first pick up the corruptor's reprogramming module, Aloy exclaims it's connecting to her focus. So, when she separated it from the Scarab, it immediately sought out a new network a la bluetooth device, found her focus and paired with it. The same happened with Sylens and his focus.
As to how Aloy managed to configure this network, I think it was automatic actually. Remember that they are both FAS tech and the Scarab was actually meant to be controlled by humans at the head of the network. So on a battlefield, the few human operatives would command the FAS machines via their focuses most likely (lord help if you ever dropped it right).
The blue light should just be a game element that they use to convey information to you, the player. At first, I thought it might be just your focus making your life easier once again, but then I remembered that at the Sun ring, you still see the machine's colour even when bereaved of your focus. So yeah, that's just game reality for you.
@@RandomSideQuest for 3, the hacking module was removed from the robot removing the communication system that connected to Hades. So it has to connect to a new signal and Aloy's focus was the closet device. Making Aloy's focus the network robots can be slaved to.
Just throwing ideas at the wall as a non-expert, but is it possible that the Chariot swarm uses their nanomachines to physically access electronics from the inside in order to hack enemy devices with no wireless network functionality? You can never cover too many bases in automated warfare, and it would excuse the need of a physical medium.
The Control Towers causing daemonic corruption does resemble Faro tech as well, with the general frame of them and the occasionally protruding core. It may be a partial implementation of Chariot line hacking tech. While the machines are manufactured under HEPHAESTUS (technically meant to have been GAIA with HEPHAESTUS's functions) they were meant to be operated under the other subroutines for terraforming/recycling/communications purposes, so it's possible he doesn't actually have much direct control over individual units beyond defining their base programming and hardware specs.
I know I'm two years on to the original comment but I just picked up Zero Dawn about a week ago (since watching the trailer for the second game) and have been playing it religiously ever since and I'm really into its lore now. I absolutely LOVE the idea that HEPHESTUS and HADES might be sort of "fighting" with each other or at least are at odds. Maybe that'll be a major plot point for the next game? It would actually make sense, seeing that HADES wants to completely destroy the world all over again but HEPHESTUS' goal is to create the machines necessary to produce and keep life going. Will also be interesting to see what the other AI will do as well.
awesome video once again.
It would be interesting if HEPHAESTUS slaved some off the other subordinates as he did with CYAN. Getting AETHER and POSEIDON to do his bidding. It would also be cool if HEPHAESTUS was getting new ideas for robot designs from ARTEMIS as GAIA was the one who was supposed to design machines and HEPHAESTUS was just supposed to build them.
So when you override a cauldron in the game does that re-set the Cauldron to now return to making more docile machines or what? I know it helps Aloy in game but didn't know if there was something bigger to it.
You know what we haven’t truly faced thats scarier than Hades? The sentient Faro A.I the controller of the swarm as of right now it’s dormant but once unleashed it could devour the entire world once again and hades is trying gain access to the faro swarm robots
I think the nano bots the swarm uses are the same as the corruption, Since the corruption seems to have some kind of physical form since I remember times when characters without a focus saw the corruption along with there greater weakness to fire. The override might be when it’s connected to a focus and since corruption arrows are green it could just be that it’s unconnected to anything. As for daemonic machines I think its more so a actual modification to the machines to make them stronger.
It would be really cool if the sub functions battled each other. Obviously they don't hate each other or anything, it's just that their actions contradict each others base programming. Hades resurrecting Farro machines means Minerva tries to shut them down. Hephaestus's machines produce pollution in the air or sea, getting Poseidon\ aether involved. Hades in general could activate Artemis and Demeter. Of course, Alloy would have to activate these sub functions, or they could activate on their own for whatever reason.
I also wonder: how did Corruption hurt Aloy? Is there a technological element to the new generation of humanity? Is that why the Banuk are able to put that glowing blue cable under their skin without harm?
I thought the blue cables were some kind of tech to keep them warm
Nope . They actually sew them into their skin. Shamans only, thankfully. It's to be closer to the machines ,as they believe th a they hold the Blue Light. As for Corruption , I think that the Chariot line uses it not only to hack machines, but to form biofuel. In other words,it's nanotech that dissolves all organic matter,like a burn your skin
The biggest question I’ve always had is why are the machines still around? After the earth has been successfully terraformed (which it has) the earth and nature itself shouldn’t need help anymore and the natural way of the world such as before our time is all that’s needed. With that being said, the machines seem irrelevant. What I never understood is why not create a code where once the world is safe for humans and life, deactivate all machines and zero dawn facilities. At that point life and humans now have a chance to move on without the intervention of the machines.
Since the machines probably have more purposes than just terraforming (pollinisation, purifying the air, transporting materials, etc.) and that the complete flora and fauna couldn't be restored (because Apollo was wiped out), I think the AIs still need the machines to perform their duties. They help maintain the ecosystems in place of the now-instinct species. The original plan might've been for Apollo-educated humans to deactivate the machines once everything was restored, but that obviously didn't happen. I might've forgotten something there, but I think that's it!
*Also, now that Gaia isn't there to restrain him, Hephaestus is doing exactly what he's intended: building more machines.
Oh, by "AIs" I meant the subordinate functions.
Simply put, due to the deletion of APOLLO, Which was supposed to be used by the new generation to learn how to control the terraforming system,their job was never finished.And it probably never will be. Only Phase 1 organisms were reintroduced into the wild. The plant life is in good shape,but might still need some work. Hunting by humans may have even slowed them down. No wonder HEPHAESTUS is angry.
I wonder: if the Chariots were unhackable, how did Corrupters work?
I think chariot line can only slave other manufacturers' machines, meaning: robots we never saw, and also- gaia and hephastus technology.
If you have small chariot line army vs another chariot line, you couldn't slave it, just as aloy can't slave a corruptor. But I wouldn't be surprised if the game creators didn't think that through.
10:41 That face you make when you look through the window and see the delivery person bringing you the product you bought online.
What's stopping Hephaestus from just making hunting\killer robots that have Faro like attributes?
Guerrilla Games linked this video on Twitter. twitter.com/Guerrilla/status/951151667336171520
When aloy overrides a machine, is it a possessed slave like corrupted machines or it still has it's free will just not hostile ?
Devin Sierra at the end of the dlc when aloy talks with CYAN she tells the AI she found a way to “calm” the machines and CYAN suggests it might be a part of GAIA when it got destroyed so this part merely turns them back to the original state they were designed to be in
so you're saying that the FAS tech inside the curruptor was part of gaia
cause I thought aloy was talking about the titkuk mission