@@AnotherDuck it's not mainly just getting used to it, it's mostly just simple technique, instead of looking around, look at one point and then once you turn too much to look there spin your head around fast to the same place and repeat
@@AnotherDuck No, you didn't but that's how figure skaters and ballet dancers avoid dizziness when spinning. I've danced ballet for about a decade at this point and without using that technique I still get dizzy, of course dancing ballet has helped me have the balance and discipline to not stumble around afterwards and the ability to still focus on things despite the dizziness and recover very quickly but the room still feels like it's spinning
What I've learned from this video, giant two handed swords aren't as impractical as you might think at first glance, just need light and strong material
Which may not be a big deal if you have unlimited resources but when you think about it, with the metal you can use to make one giant sword, you can make a LOT of other weapons like spears, halberds, or even just more normal size sword. Sure fighting with one may not be as silly as most people think but when you have to make a choice between using the that metal and getting dozens of spearmen or one "badass" with a giant sword, well it's easy to see why they're mainly a videogame/anime type thing.
which is why theyre impractical. the grade of materials was not good enough in the medieval times to create something that large without having durability issues. even if it was, youre using 4x the material and 4x the time if not more, to create a weapon that is disadvantageous in more ways than it is advantageous. its only real advantages is sheer terror, and if youre big enough to be able to wield this, youd be just as terrifying with a standard zweihander and youd be faster. theres a reason these swords only exist in fantasy.
I think in order to counteract the dizziness from the spin you could do the technique ballerinas use and focus your head on one point while spinning. Say, you lock your head towards an object (like a door) and hold it for so long until you have to spin your head and then rinse and repeat. It's rather tricky to pull off and requires practice, but when it works it works.
People do figure skating spinning at similar or even faster speeds without going dizzy. I guess it's something your brain gets used to or they're using a technique that offsets it.
@14:20 There are, surprisingly, a few games that come to mind that incorporate that shoulder leverage into their heavy sword combat by having a stance switching mechanic built into the character. Nightmare/Faust from Soul caliber is one (albeit they do have some stances in the realm of fantasy level weight to strength ratio).
Guts actually does incorporate a lot of off the shoulder slashes in his fighting style, pretty sure I have even seen him half sword, makes me wonder if Kentaro Miura actually experimented with a prop. Interesting that you mentioned the upwards wind pull of the sword too, as guts has used the width of his weapon almost like a fan to disperse poisoned spores.
Well, Miura modeled partially Guts to his best friend Kouji Mori and they indeed once went to a gym to understand how much Mori could lift a massive sword with some weights attached to a stick They probably did some tests and then exagerrated them for the sake of spectacle
I wonder what Shad would think of the big sword moves from Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning, or War's fighting techniques with Chaoseater from the Darksiders series. That franchise *thrives* on cool dark fantasy, but stuff like the Attack ( - Second Attack) - Turn Away from enemy - Attack have War do a quite realistic twirl in which he swings the Chaoseater behind him and ends in an overhead slam. I dare assume that the general shape and decoration on Chaoseater would fall positively within Shad's books too. Of course, one man's opinions aren't the be-all-end-all, but it'd just be neat to see worlds collide a bit like this.
it's good for fighting wild beasts; the momentum would knock back the beast and keep you safe. the wide blade is helpful for extending your cutting arc. Maybe you could twist the handle to more precisely point the cut?
You could probably take cues from eastern horse choppers like the zhanmadao. A large animal's momentum could be used leveraged by slicing against it to do greater damage.
@@ericwang565 Just watch the movie, the edge. Anthony hopkins kills a bear with a wooden spear by using the bears weight against it. There are no such things as spoilers to that movie, its always awesome to watch.
Your sword is now officially a siege weapon! On another note, you mentioned in the spin you actually felt the wind lift the blade. Why not capitalize on that, and make the blade in a shape to create more lift like a plane wing. The lift may lighten the load on the wielder during side slashes and spins compensating for some of the negative effects of the weight on the wielder. Technique wise incorporating the hips and other leverage points might be helpful. Such as recovery from a downward attack, with the blade on the ground using a hip push to start a slash may be a faster way to recover and attack immediately.
lift means redirecting the air flow and thus creating friction. You would definintly get a lighter sword but a slower one and you would have to spend more energy to make it go forward (plane have thusters for a reason). Now if the sword has a turbo thuster like that Wyvern Ignition sword in MH i could see the lift as making it easier to move it up and down during a swing
I had an idea for a story that involved a character getting scaling strength that quickly became super strength. Said character then proceeded to use super giant swords as his main weapon, partly for crowd control and partly for intimidation. For a bit more realism, the I thought the best ways to approach having super strength but not the weight would be a combination of dual wielding the swords in a specific style such that one sword would work as a counterbalance to the other, leaving the only issue to the wielding being the strength of the wielder. The other solution was super heavy plate armor, to increase the relative weight of the wielder to the sword.
Could also claim that muscle and bone density increased with strength, with most of the weight coming from his super dense bones that had to strengthen to match the new tensile strength of his muscles, the super dense bones idea also helps with making bloodier fights without too much real consequences, like say the character gets caught off guard and puts their arm in the way, the arm would get sliced deep but it wouldn't go through the density of the bone.
Same with berserk guts basically trained with adult size sword when he was barely 5 years old so growing up he's used to using a great sword bigger than a normal sword. Each time passes the sword gets heavier and bigger
I love how in Monster Hunter World, whenenever you use the great sword, your character tries their best to not get thrown around by the force the sword carries with it, and in some cases even uses said force to move forward during attacks. The animations of great swords in that game really sell the idea of how crazy heavy and strong those weapons are, and how crazy strong the humans of Monster Hunter's universe have to be in order to wield such ridiculously sized weapons in the first place.
I really love how they make you feel the weight of the sword in that way. With the charge blade there's also an attack that uses its weight to YEET you. MHW is the best * dancing Palicos *
Well... If we get technical, hunters are an especies of their own. According to the well hidden lore of the game, hunters =/= humans. Hunters are descendants of genetically augmented super warriors of the lost civilization that made the original weapons. Villagers and handlers are regular humans, so they are not able or have a hard time trying to use the hunters equipment.
The only explanation I habe gor that is: monster Hunter can use their bioenergy to increase their strengh and resilience, that's why they don't bleed or break bones when bitten, fanged or stumped by monsters The said bioenergy shields their bodies and as long they have plenty of it, they can handle extreme levels of damage Also it explains why they need monster materiais to craft their weapons and armor, these materials allow them to channel their bioenergy better, woch results in effects such as elemental blasts or better defenses In another words: it works becouse magic bruh 🦉
I… I LOVE THIS. You take something so fantastical and unrealistic, and you find out how you ACTUALLY COULD KINDA WELL just by experimenting. Shad came up with this fighting style live right in front of us, and I just love that.
Gonna be honest, this sort of content is what I’m here for. I don’t mind the other stuff, but discussing the viability and technical side of completely absurd fantasy weapons and creatures is what brought me here. This was quite interesting to listen to
Me too! I absolutely live for realistic exploration of fantasy weapons, races, settings, magic, etc, especially if there's an effort to see how it actually might work!
Dizziness can be dealt with, but what about actually striking something during your spin? I'd imagine having a grounded stance while swinging sword around would make you way more stable. Hitting someone in full rotation would most likely throw you completely out of balance.
I'm sure he'll discover this pretty quickly when he actually starts to play around with it, but you use the rebound from striking to set up your next strike. When I was younger, my friends and I used PVC with foam to set up mock sword fighting, and I made a sword that was a foot taller than me. It's hard to get the thing stopping and going, and so you want to use active momentum as much as possible, and avoid having the sword go into a "potential energy" state. The rebound from a successful strike has SO much force, that it helps keep the blade in motion. Instead of resisting the rebound, you push into it, to set up your next swing. That next swing CAN be used to strike at your opponent again, but it doesn't have to. I often used it to get some space, or get my weapon back up to momentum again. Consecutive strikes often pummels your opponent into leaving an opening, but they also tend to gradually decrease your momentum. The sword is very easy to control and manipulate with momentum, and VERY hard to without it. You normally want some kind of leverage, such as setting up from the shoulder, to set it into momentum in-between attacks. You can't keep the momentum going constantly, or you'll tire yourself out. Using the ground to disrupt the momentum of opponents with such large blades is pretty effective. They will almost always jump back to try and get their sword back up onto their shoulders. That sets up an ideal time to make an attack.
I thought the techniques Cloud Strife uses in Final fantasy 7 remake were interesting. His buster sword is basically a sharpened slab of metal with a handle. He is a "super SOLDIER" so it makes sense that he wealds this weapon. It's slow to get going but when he does it literally throws him into his attacks. He flows into each slash in wide arcs, throwing him around in almost a dance, instead of traditional sword work. Stance is VERY low to the ground and he is either using it like a shield, moving slowly; or almost dragging it behind him to move faster.
Leslie carries the sword with his arm straight out as he puts it onto the ground in Don Corneo's Mansion. The bustersword is supposed to be too heavy for normal people to carry. While I agree with you that they did a good job, there are times it simply looks like foam. If you want a "better" representation of using a sword as big as your body with actual drawbacks look at Minagi Mikoto in Mai hime.
In the “Last Order” FFVII animation, the weight of the Buster Sword really comes to the spotlight. Zack just stuck it to the ground to be a “sort of” shield cover for the injured Cloud. The basic enemy soldiers tried to take the sword but they couldn’t.
@@vincentgraymore Checked it out. Not impressed. The stuff from the FF7 Remake is far more on point for realistic sword movements. Uses similar hip drive and pulling of the sword, I agree, but Cloud's movements facilitate more practical combination attacks without leaving the swordsman wide open for counter-attack between attacks or during the "posta" or "guardia" - the position taken between cuts that allows the swordsman to attack again or defend against the opponent's next attack. Sorry, bud.
Other games that I would recommend looking into for practical movements with giant swords are Capcom's Dragon's Dogma and Monster Hunter series (more so the Dragon's Dogma longsword, but some of the animations for both longsword and greatsword in the newer Monster Hunters are also practical - just not most of them, so take that with a grain of salt).
Big fan of MH and Souls. I gotta say I'm interested to see what a total revamp would do. Unfortunately MH is a long standing game with moves dating back YEARS. It'd be difficult to break tradition at this point, not just because people already like the "signature" moves, but also because it might take Capcom another several years to achieve the same level of balance/polish. Would be better to take From Soft's approach: make a new franchise and experiment, and learn from that. Maybe slowly introduce those new lessons back into the more established franchise sequels.
@@xerberus3337 Capcom has it's own way of doing that. The mainline MH has really codified combat with the same moveset we always see. But games like GenU or Rise/Sunbreak are almost like spin offs. They really innovate on the moveset and playstyle of each weapons. For exemple in rise/Sunbreak the switch skills allow you to change certain moves and combo and can really transform completely some weapons. In GU there's the style system. There's 6 styles available and they all change how the weapons is played drastically.
I made a a sword 1ft hand 5ft blade, 3/4" pvc pipe core and pool noodles make up the blade, and I've sparred with my friends with it a few times, what I've found is to be effective with it you absolutely have to preserve momentum along with leveraging off different parts of your body, arms, shoulders, legs. Everything has to flow, you really have to move your body in a very unorthodox way for it to work. Another method for when people close the gap and get real close is, tip to the ground you hold it up and your able to cut off a huge area significantly reducing how much of your body is visible, and how many ways they can attack you. Then you can push the blade, still vertical, into your opponent to strike or distract them as you get in on the grapple
I made a sword with a similar design. It was supposed to be that length but I made the core too big -- it didn't fit the whole length into the jumbo pool noodle, so it ended up being 7' long instead of 6' long.
I really agree that using your body to leverage the sword off for angular momentum is key. And also your idea to put the tip on the ground for leverage to block or screen enemy attacks.
I'm not sure if you looked into the Soul Calibur series much, but Siegfried's fighting style might give you a few ideas. There's a lot of pommel strikes in there.
If you were trying to make an actual weapon with the characteristics of a giant sword, it seems to me based on the performance test that redesigning the giant sword to have an extra foot with a sort of pseudo-ricasso (the gripping point above a crossguard) where the edge is dull and possibly leatherbound would allow you to use your shoulder as a docking point (itself preferably armored and padded) to serve as the fulcrum and also allow you to pivot the direction of the blade. I could even see armor specifically designed to support this style with shoulder and bicep components shaped to help dock the weapon and reduce strain on the muscle and bone underneath. Furthermore, the actual blade beyond this point could be made much thinner and longer, or simply take a tuning fork shape to widen the threat range with two long, sharpened sprongs at the edge with no middle mass. Having this much weight put on the lower half of a massive, shoulder-pivoting weapon might allow you a remarkable amount of reach while providing a realistic weight distribution zone to center the mass around the body. I think having either a thin blade or a tuning fork shape would be essential, since wind resistance is the biggest problem with trying to weaponize what is essentially a giant flat plane. A hollow flute in the blade might also help with this problem. It would probably not be a great dueling weapon, but I presume it would be a menacing tool for a specialized combat role similar to a doppelsoldner. The ability to drop the sword and immediately switch to a side-arm theoretically could make it a valuable frontline tool. The biggest problems I see with it is manufacturing cost and training, and knowing when to read a situation and quickly abandon the weapon in favor of another. I also do not see pommel and crossguard blunt strikes being useful for dealing with something inside the blade's threat zone due to the weight, which is unfortunate.
"I could even see armor specifically designed to support this style with shoulder and bicep components shaped to help dock the weapon and reduce strain on the muscle and bone underneath." honestly i think there are already armor styles that would be ideal to use as a starting point for that. example, some medieval shoulder pauldrons had large flanges rising off the shoulder in order to guard the neck from glance off blows. king arthur's armor in the film EXCALIBUR has flanges like this, though rather exaggerated: images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/59c9b7ead2b857a85063e490/1f7dc849-364f-4f7f-b1f5-33891e507d9f/Arthur.jpg if you put a second smaller flange just outside the first one, you'd have a natural valley inbetween them to rest the blade in. that would serve just fine.
@@yggdrasilburnes I am not familiar with this, but after watching a few videos I'd say such a weapon's combat application could result in a permutation of that style -- wrath style seems to still rely on lift for positioning and countering, which a weapon of this magnitude cannot be exercised into reliably. But the motions are very similar to what you'd need to utilize to get the best use of its reach.
Do you think if it was feasible it would have been incorporated ? No shield , huge weight, slow and cumbersome, out ranged by pole arms, bad in formations, exhaustion in minutes upon loc.
You wouldn't even really need padding or pauldrons if the edges of the sword were blunted towards the guard. Even just like... a foot of bluntness would make it more comfortable and wouldn't wear out the armor so quickly. That being said, padding may still be preferred anyways so the sword catches a bit and is less likely to slide off the shoulder.
@@matohibiki The real reason is shown in the prequel game (which recently got remade on all platforms), since his sword is already single-edged and therefore this isn't an issue for him. But I like your opinion and would accept it without question if I didn't know better.
@@josh-oo But that was Angeal's sword, a gift from his parents. The standard-issue SOLDIER sword is a double-edged sword. Unless the remaster changed the plot of the PSP original, I mean.
As a DnD player, playing a character who's likely to get his hands on some superlarge weapons, this sort of stuff is precisely what I come here for. Your Medieval Misconceptions is also a personal favorite of mine. I've learned more from you than any formalized education.
As a giant sword reference, you could look into Siegfried from the Soul Calibur series. He has multiple stances (is a stance dance character) and a lot of the swing and stuff flow into each other in that game.
It's fairly realistic in how it works, too. He can swing fast, but he always has more recovery frames. The swing speed is fast, but the redirection takes quite a bit more time
Siegfried/ Nightmare was who I was thinking of when Shad started swinging the sword off of his shoulder. Since both characters are the same guy, they do have a similar fighting style with the giant sword and Shad was starting to recreate some of the moves from the game without realizing it.
Another good reference is the Warrior Vacation from Dragon's Dogma, the Great sword/Hammer movements are pretty realistic in how you'd use a giant weapon
Personaly, I think that Genshin Impact can also be checked for reference - there is an entire weapon group called claymores, and characters that use that weapon have different fighting styles and aproaches... one of the characteristics of the claymore group is that charged attacks take time to start and finish, regular attacka for some characters incorporate kicks to help with raising it up, and there are also resting positions when character screen is opened on weapon section...
Before your next giant sword video -- make sure you try out Sigurd's / Nightmare's moves from Soul Calibur, it'd be awesome to see if any of them are actually "realistic" or just pure fantasy.
Nightmare’s always been my favorite character, whenever I play something in VR that has a giant sword I always find myself imitating his moves. And yes I’m aware of the weightless issue when playing in VR lol
@10:30 another benefit of the grip on the blade is it gives you more leverage in static binds! Edit: One huge benefit of leveraging off your shoulders is that it allows you to engage your whole core and back into generating torque. I think an important focus for developing a style for the extreme sized swords would be removing as much "wind-up" and telegraphing as possible. The faster you can impart power and torque , the more you'll mitigate the lack of finesse. Another interesting thing to ponder is a technique similar to one used in baseball batting; you keep your arms/hands in a fixed position close to the body and effectively twist at the waist; this eliminates the moment arm between your body and the bat/sword using your core and posterior chain to generate the majority of your torque and acceleration. When your body reaches its rotational limit you engage your arms and whip the bat/sword to impart a burst of acceleration right before impact. This allows you to reach higher impact force in lower time frame as you use the largest muscle chains in your body to overcome the initial resistance, making it much easier for your arms to do their faster work. To try this IRL, basically throw a cut from the shoulder like at 12:50 - when the sword gets almost vertical, pull the pommel into your bellybutton and do an ab crunch as hard as you can trying to touch your shoulder to the opposite hip. Just before the cut impacts, perform effectively a zwerch movement with your hands to get that whip. Edit edit: As i was typing this edit to say I was going to do some dev, I hit the part of the video where you said you're going to do basically everything I was thinking as well. It'll be interesting to see what the differences are between what we come up with.
Actually static binds wouldn't really happen in real combat - they're too easy to get out of. You just change the blade angle one way or the other, and you've deflected the force.
being as the two handed sword would be really difficult to acctualy stab with I feel like a curve could be viable to help cutting power. On top of that if a bit of the base was blunt or even if it just had one edge you'd be able to easily carry it over the shoulder like you demonstrated and even hold the blade like you did in the vid for one if the stances.
idc what exactly are you doing with the camera, but the changes between the static camera, the close-ups and that one camera that follows you from a moderate distance are very good to keep the video dynamic. Good job to whoever was behind that.
YASS, YOU MENTIONED MONSTER HUNTER’S GREAT SWORD!!! By the way, I thing some of the designs on MH, specially on “bone” great swords, have quite a great resting point because they’re sharp only on one edge, it would be interesting if you analyzed some great sword designs (like analyzing just that weapon tree) great video pal!
It's a momentum manipulation game. I used to practice with x2 18lbs sledge hammers, one in each hand(I'm 6'5 and well built) just for the giggles and to see how I could make the mechanics work. It's not so difficult as you'd think. There's a finesse necessary to it that some people just don't have(my eldest son is build like me but has none of my natural athletic ability for instance, he'd never be able to do this), but I'm convinced it's not only possible but you'd definitely not want to battle someone who could do it. I still pick up wood cutting axes sometimes to flourish for the kids and show friends who think it can't be done(dead wrong, it absolutely can be done).
A slight redesign of a giant sword might help; adding side ring guards where the outer part of the ring is a grip. This would put your hands into a position similar to holding a chainsaw or machine gun allowing the weight & torque of the sword to be handled in a more efficient way.
@@charliekelly1435 like a hand guard large enough to be gripped so you would hold the sword like a machinegun so you would be able to swing it and poke it with greater control, i think thats what he ment.
There's a technique dancer's use while spinning to avoid getting dizzy when they spin. Keep your head focused on a single point and quick spin it when you hit your limit. You could definitely use that if you were to spin with a sword like that.
I feel like having the blade themselves made out of a hard and light material (titanium or one of its alloys, probably) and keeping the core out of a light but still somewhat sturdy material (wood?) would make a giant sword somewhat viable. Also, helicopter moment.
My guy you need to understand how leverage works you have an 8 foot long blade that’s 8-9 inches wide made from really any light alloy titanium included will still be quite heavy on top of that it’s going to have an unusual center of gravity that has to be controlled form on single end of the blade so #1 you would likely barely be able to hold the sword straight out in front of mean your over all edge control will be basically no existent yes you could use momentum but at the end of the day you are still swing around maybe 15 pounds of some hard metal which is exhausting if anybody here has swung a big ol 10 pound sledge for work you’ll know that shit is tiring and this idea of rotating the blade over head is flawed there is a lot of weight pulling on your arms more and more the faster your swing and it is highly likely you dislocated or break your own shoulder just trying to swing the fucker in an effective way that’s why even the largest swords we that have legitimate use behind them weight like 7-8 pounds roughly im not shitting on big swords I’m shitting on hunks of metal people think they could consistently swing without getting tired, hurt to the point they can’t fight, or that they would just catch a blade to the gut the second to swing that chunky boy the down stroke may be fast but that upstroke will likely kill you
@Skim_beeble 7124 he was just explaining his idea of how the idea of giant buster swords could be brought closer to reality without them losing their identity. I think most people here understand that things are heavy and swinging heavy things is tiring and stressful on the body. No one is disputing that. My brother and I used to "swordfight" with 10lb sledge hammers lmao. Yeah, it's not practical unless you're 6'4 and weight 260 lbs.
Id really like to see someone do an entire video on hypothetically how different stances would effect the leverage would effect the ability for someone super strong to manipulate a giant a heavy sword.
As a fan of huge swords, from Cloud's famous Buster Sword to the monstrosities in Elden Ring or Monster Hunter, you're doing the lord's work here! Awesome stuff!
What about whistles built in your big swords when wielding in a disturbing major chord to frighten off the enemy! When you were swinging it over your head you got lift from the huge blade; the choppah-blade!
While the emphasis was mostly on 2-handed swords, DS3's Abyss Watchers use (and imply) some very interesting 1-handed/paired techniques. For starters, while they use a sword similarly sized to the first one in this video, it's proportioned more like a claymore, which allows more traditional 2 handed use. Alongside this, they use a hardened, claw-like 'wedge', held with the blade pointing downwards. They use this dagger between attacks to mitigate some of the downsides of full-body heavy slashes, but it also plays a vital role in the reckless fighting style of the Undead Legion: throwing yourself around... Their swords are heavy but the Abyss Watchers themselves are only lightly armored, and they use this to great effect. For example, a move the player gains access to is to lunge fowards dagger-first, while starting a full-force sweep with the sword. The dagger stabs firmly into the ground and, using the massive inertia of the sword, the player slides 270° around the dagger while making a huge slashing motion with the sword. Granted, this is very dangerous, even within the setting (Undead Legion don't bother with shields because of the whole... Undead thing), but there are other, more general things to extrapolate. They tend to keep a low, hunched stance, for a lower center of gravity and for sudden lunges or leaps. They also utilise that savage stance, sword-on-shoulder rest position. When using lunging attacks, they put as much force into the swing as possible, to maximise the momentum they can gain. One thing that is absolutely vital is proper knee protection; They have flat metal plates over their knees, which is what lets them do all their fancy slidey moves on stone floors without getting the mother of all carpet burns! If I'm being honest, I lost the original point somewhere along the way, so tldr: backup dagger, spin to win, always wear adequate protection!
Actually, compared to other ultras, abyss watcher's greatsword is very light. And it's the only ultra that can be parried even when used two-handed. Spin to win is real tho.
I've always adored that move set. Easily my favorite weapon to use in DS3. Someday I want to make a decently strong prop of it and really put it to the test to see how it would feel to use a weapon set like that in real life. It looks like so much fun!
I wonder how the big one would feel if you replaced the wooden pommel with a steel one. Shift that center of balance back towards the guard and see what changes. I'd be really curious to see this with a 6-8" longer handle and a 2-3lb solid pommel, and how differently it might handle.
heavier pommel would probably not contribute very well with the handling since you'd be adding more weight to the entire weapon ideally, if you want to shift the center of gravity, you'd want to remove mass from the tip of the blade instead a longer handle would probably give you more leverage, but the distance between the hands can only go so far before your arms start crossing into each other with some moves you'd also want one hand to be as close as possible to the center of gravity a heavy hard pommel is mostly for hitting than counterbalancing
In berserk, I liked that when guts first got the dragonslayer, he looked like he was using the weight of the blade and its momentum to carry the swing, as opposed to more recently in, say the fight against zodd where he was just whipping that thing around like it was weightless.
Some of Miura's best combat scenes in "Berserk" featured Guts using his shoulder as a fulcrum for his swords. He just fast forwards to the moment of impact in most panels, so you have to mentally rewind to work it out, or compare and contrast between the Before and After panels.
I was also thinking of a blunt part near your shoulder. You have such a reach, that you could get away with not having an edge there. Perhaps even rounding it, so that you can control it better. I was also thinking that you have so much blade area that is unlikely to come into contact with a target, that you can have the handle extending very far up it. That would give you a lot of leverage.
My only response to the question is Big Dingus Energy. Unga bunga logic actually applies and I've tried using sword and spear techniques on an imitation Kanabo (Japanese War Club) my brother made. There is some overlap and always falls on using more of your shoulders to channel movement and full body twisting to guide follow-up movement And yes Shad, spin to win is the stupidest practical way to use it and that also threw my back out.
A handle that goes up into the blade and has a locking/unlocking mechanism allowing you to change grip without having to let go. The blade spinning around the handle. Sort of like if you took a small wheel and put it where the cross guard is. You would wield it more like the sword shield combo that you did that one time.
I really appreciate shads energy. He's slowly getting more and more winded from swinging these big f*ck off swords around, yet his words per minute stays fairly consistent, he just doesn't stop talking 😂
Y'know, I wonder if you've looked at some of the video game greats for move ideas with your giant sword. Sigfreid of Soul Calibur is my favorite big sword guy, closely followed by Guts from the Berserk series.
@@SidewaysGts Definitely not what he's going for. With the way he critiqued Elden Ring's colossal sword moveset, I imagine his thoughts on MH would be similar.
Yeah, I was wondering if he had ever critiqued the Soul series; if not I will he hope will. A lot of this really made me think of Nightmare/Siegfried. And I think Nightmare is a good example of a "realistic" BFS user -- he has demonic super strength, and at least Soul Edge itself has a good reason to be oversized, and the fleshy bits might actually weigh less than metal.
@@iBloodxHunter I thought it was obvious that the movements were what I was comparing to Shad's experiments. Unless you're seeing a different Shad, he doesn't have a demonic sword or mutations. -Yet.- Since the swings and stances he did remind me so much of Nightmare in SCII and Siegfried in SCIII, it's safe to say I feel those are "realistic" as well.
I would love seeing the shoulder leverage swings in a video game or show, it honestly just makes it look more powerful, really sell it's weight. As far as resting the blade, Cloud does have the advantage of the Buster Sword only being single edged, so he doesn't have to worry about it biting into his shoulder when he rests it.
Wish you woulda mentioned Siegfried's fighting style from soul calibur. Especially SC4. He has a really conservative fighting style for the most part with his giant sword. Maybe in the next vid?
centrifugal force is the pseudo force experienced in a spinning reference frame, Its very easy to discuss the force in most scenarios as if it was real instead of describing it as an artifact of the inertia of the moving object. centripetal force is a real force, tho its exactly the opposite of the pseudo centrifugal force and shouldn't be used to describe it, Centripetal force is the force keeping the moving object from being released, in the sword example it would be your arms pulling on the sword, and the centrifugal force would be the sword pulling back on your arms, tho in reality its actually just the resistance of the mass of the sword to the acceleration you are providing with your arms. tl:dr centrifugal force isnt real but it is very close to real and a useful talking point so dont dismiss it, centripetal force is real but its not the same as centrifugal force and is infact the opposite.
My friend, whos supposedly really smart, argues with me to this day that "centrifugal" is a real force no matter how many times I tell him that it's just a property of inertia.
People rarely explain it in an unconfusing way. The simplest thing is that the force you're feeling is inertia. the fact that it feels like it's flinging you in the opposite direction of the pivot point is the fictional-force part. You're being flung in the direction you were last pointing because inertia. it's like the opposite of the escape velocity concept.
Centripetal force is not only the force from your arms on the sword, but the other way around as well, since every reaction has an equal and opposite reaction. Centrefugal force would be keeping your arms taught and preventing the sword from falling on the ground, though both are really just inertia viewed from a rotating reference frame.
6:08 It's funny you use Pier Gerlofs Donia's sword for reference because crazily enough he did actually use that sword for combat. Dude was 7 feet of pure unadulterated badass and used swords like that to absolute MURDER his enemies.
I love that you actually go into how fantasy stuff would work if possible And give examples and posture instead of just saying “it doesn’t exist so why bother” like some other people do. This one I love especially as you give strategies and methods to use fantasy giant swords.
you can train yourself to be less affected by dizziness from spinning. When I was starting, i was seeing starts from like 10 rotations of the head, but now I can do over 60 and not even feel that dizzy even then.
Watching shad do those wide combo swings just feels so satisfying, like you are actually using techniques to weild a giant hunk of metal that one would think is unweildable.
My favorite large sword concept is a massive sword with a blunted tip and running down the center is hollowed with a smaller sword(with the large sword being a sheath/shield). The hallowed out center turns into a tower shield grip and then you have a sword and board combo.
Started my morning watch the forestry guy talk about grounding his bed, weaponizing ice melt and eat charcoal. Nice to see someone sane using a perfectly reasonable weapon.
There is a guy on YT making a accurate dragon slayer and it's over 300lbs. Seeing him move it around to machine it really shows how insane that much weight in a sword really is.
Shadiversity back at it again with giant swords! No complaints here. In all actuality, when you wondered what the recoil would be on a super massive sword like the Dragonslayer when deflected, I think the truth of the matter would be that if you make the slash in just the right way, there wouldn't be a deflection due to the sheer mass behind the weapon. Ultimately that would result in you playing either tee-ball with your opponent's weapons, or you'd just rip through them and their weapons like they were paper mache. That _is_ of course, assuming that magic metal wasn't used in whatever your opponent is wielding. Either way, the Giant Sword(tm) is definitely the archetypal "guard break" weapon.
Hey Shad, I really appreciate these kinds of videos. I'm a 3d animator that prefers to do mocap combat animations. I also do martial arts and things like this is a good reference tool if I ever do fantasy animations. Stuff like this also makes me want to take up a little HEMA so I can mocap weapon animations by myself. So keep it up my man, who knows if I ever work on a known title, I might name drop you as reference materiel some day :P
I think fighting with heavy stuff like that you need to utilise centrifugal force after swinging from the low back for an empowered next attack. Love Ur vid
I wonder if the thing he mentioned about the wind actually lifting the sword when he angled it could be used to control the height of the swing up or down, if properly trained for.
A shoulder and hip check fighting style with a giant two handed sword like that would be really fun to see. Especially wondering what kind of armor augmentations you could add to enhance the leverage.
For the spin, dizziness shouldn't be an issue, Ballerinas can spin at a much faster rate without getting dizzy by focusing on a target and quickly spinning their head when necessary, which also has the benefit with this sword of allowing you watch your opponent(s). I feel that the full spin would also have an advantage in being less exhausting, since the motion relies on your core instead of your arms. I also think that recovery shouldn't be too much of an issue. You can initiate with wide slashes, getting the sword moving before you spin your core, and then recover by bringing your body to a stop while performing wide slashes into rest position.
Honesty I only thought about how a person would use a giant sword when I was setting up a sail boat. The aluminum mast (pole that holds the sail) was somewhat able to be wielded (although it was hollow). The mast was 4.7 square meters and handling rigging other boats kinda showed to me how unwieldy a large object in length could be. Great video!👍
I don't think you'd want to sharpen the bottom of the blade. I double you'd ever attack with that bit, and you could grab the blade and put in on your shoulder easier.
I wonder if a giant sword design with holes in the center might be more effective. You'd reduce the weight and potentially increase the rigidity, depending on the material used. Depending on how the holes were placed, they could also potentially become temporary hand holds to open up additional leverage points for different positions.
Shad for a sword that big, your handle is not nearly long enough, from what I'm seeing your handle should be half your wingspan. That way you can have a much wider grip and more leverage. You would also want to take a low stance.
It would be interesting to try using montante techniques with this. Specifically the one where you are contently spinning the sword into slashes as you change your facing in a fight against a group.
One of the things he didn't mention when talking about the elden ring animations is that the characters are indeed strong enough to swing these massively heavy swords but they don't have the extra weight to not be thrown off balance by their own swings. So they almost exclusively stop their swings with the ground. Great attention to detail to make it seem more "realistic".
So... they are "kind-of-awesome but definitely impractical"? That kind of ruins the point of having something like that, doesn't it? If they have the strength difference, then perhaps they should be doing that much more damage with weapons they can handle properly?
@@JarieSuicune from what I'm reading in other comments, the most effective use of these weapons is with precise control of the weapon and wielder's momentum, rather than just one big swing that leaves them open for a while. Then again that takes a lot of skill, so for military purposes, you would be better off giving everyone regular swords. Regardless, the whole point of giant swords is not to be useful, but to look badass
I wouldn't say realistic since Monster Hunter has a lot of other nonsense that is pretty blatantly unrealistic like any monster that generates cold or ice within its own body, but the fact that the greatsword throws you around and you move like you're carrying something that's easily over 100lbs makes it one of the more tolerable giant swords in my opinion. I don't really like oversized swords.
@@conorb.1901 Why would generating cold in their body be a problem? Lots of animals can even survive being frozen solid and they could have internal insolation.
@@uiiiiitoll4878 it's not a matter of survival, like you said plenty of animals survive in cold climates. No, instead something like Barioth being able to breathe ice is unrealistic because as a living creature it is extremely difficult if not outright impossible to generate cold within one's own body.
To this day I'm certain that GS mains are actual clairvoyants, with the amount of timing it demands to actually be good. People who think ChB is the hardest weapon to learn haven't tried actually dealing good damage with GS.
@@conorb.1901 monster hunter is not on earth, all the materials are different and they never talk about weight The ecosystem could be a lot different and we also have some weird shit here like supersonic punch shrimps that produce a deadly cavity in the water with a flash of light, or immortal jellyfish. Or bioluminescence for example. All kinds of different materials for fibers, tissue, bones etc. could exist there! We don't even begin know what was possible in the earth's long lifetime yet, so who says monster hunter is impossible on a different planet? Obviously the monster hunter people would be aliens, maybe they don't even breathe air?
Seeing Elden Ring being brought up makes me curious to know if Shad could do a series where he reviews and discusses the fighting styles and animations for weapon attacks in games! I'd be very curious to see what he'd think of some of the Odachi attacks in Nioh and Nioh 2
I can't speak for Sekiro, since I haven't played it, but ER's movesets are all fictional. In short, your character looks like they never held a weapon before, then again, who plays fromsoft games for realism?
I think that Glaives were popular in they actually have most of the positive sides of swords on top of having polearm reach and average-human-level requirements.
amazing video shad as always! , i fight in buhurt, and in armor even with small single hand weapon's 99 percent of the time you can found the weapon slung over the shoulder in that resting, but ready to strike position! and im looking forward to your next video already!
High risk high reward weapon, i think it can compensate because of the intimidation factor, but just in 1v1, if you are dueling two people they can easily get you surrounded, you will be forced to use the spin attack and that will reduce your stamina and make you dizzy, duel will be shorter that you can think.
I feel like a large/giant swordstaff would allow even better usage of a super strength character than a giant sword would. It would allow even more leverage and speed, where a giant sword would suffer from diminishing returns.
If you would be fast enough, they won't be able to do this surviving as well. I personally had a lot of 1v2 and 1v3 moments in big fights with giant foam sword - dancing around a bit you can actually force them to stay closer a bit. Doesn't work on crazy runners
I don't get dizzy, so I'd be fine. Although, I probably don't weigh enough to wield a large sword. Last time I went to the gym I could do 400 pounds on the leg press, but I only weighed 115 pounds.
@@eyesyt7571 Shad told about real problem - moment of inertia (and point of balance). If you van lift 400 pounds - try lifting 200, but 0.5 meters away from you.
It was too big to be called a sword... Massive, thick, heavy, and far too rough. Indeed, it was like a heap of raw iron.
Came to the comments to find this. Thank you.
Also FK Griffilth, and I misspelled his name on purpose.
A man of culture i see
Oh hi Guts!
**looks at watch**
It’s Berkin’ time!
Thick with 5 C’s
20 minutes of a full grown Shad playing with a giant wooden sword. I love it.
Super weight would be rather easy to get if you were some hypothetical super human, just wear giant lead boots or a lead vest.
@@howdoichangemyprofilepictu9839 Or don't bother and just move your body.
@@howdoichangemyprofilepictu9839 dinner and a movie, you can watch the paint dry.
The dizziness issue would be pretty easily dealt with via training similar to what ballerinas and figure skaters go through.
I was thinking the same. Handling dizziness is a skill. You also get used to it if you do it regularly.
Fair enough
@@AnotherDuck it's not mainly just getting used to it, it's mostly just simple technique, instead of looking around, look at one point and then once you turn too much to look there spin your head around fast to the same place and repeat
@@awildtomappeared5925 I didn't say that.
@@AnotherDuck No, you didn't but that's how figure skaters and ballet dancers avoid dizziness when spinning. I've danced ballet for about a decade at this point and without using that technique I still get dizzy, of course dancing ballet has helped me have the balance and discipline to not stumble around afterwards and the ability to still focus on things despite the dizziness and recover very quickly but the room still feels like it's spinning
In this video, Shad discovers Guts' fighting style
I respect anyone who is a berserk fan
@@pizza_. I read berserk!!! :D
It's my favorite manga ever!!!
@@smolchild1057 cool the one of the reasons why I respect berserk fans is because berserk apparently inspired allot of the stuff in phantom blood
@@pizza_.As well as most of the games by fromsoft, such as dark souls or elden rung
@@pizza_. Phantom blood ran from January 1, 1987 to October 26, 1987. Berserk's first chapter released in August of 1989 so I don't think that's true.
I think this video is less "how to fight with giant swords" and more so "watching Shad visibly turning into a mashed tomato in real time". 😂
What I've learned from this video, giant two handed swords aren't as impractical as you might think at first glance, just need light and strong material
Which may not be a big deal if you have unlimited resources but when you think about it, with the metal you can use to make one giant sword, you can make a LOT of other weapons like spears, halberds, or even just more normal size sword.
Sure fighting with one may not be as silly as most people think but when you have to make a choice between using the that metal and getting dozens of spearmen or one "badass" with a giant sword, well it's easy to see why they're mainly a videogame/anime type thing.
Allen Pan modified a spring-powered passive arm exoskeleton (used for holding large movie cameras) so he could wield a Buster Sword.
Key words being "light" and "strong"
Tell that to the fetal alchy syndrome stricken digitally twisted outlaws.... he's delusional lol
carbon fiber, or obsidian is probably the best bet then
which is why theyre impractical. the grade of materials was not good enough in the medieval times to create something that large without having durability issues. even if it was, youre using 4x the material and 4x the time if not more, to create a weapon that is disadvantageous in more ways than it is advantageous. its only real advantages is sheer terror, and if youre big enough to be able to wield this, youd be just as terrifying with a standard zweihander and youd be faster. theres a reason these swords only exist in fantasy.
I think in order to counteract the dizziness from the spin you could do the technique ballerinas use and focus your head on one point while spinning. Say, you lock your head towards an object (like a door) and hold it for so long until you have to spin your head and then rinse and repeat. It's rather tricky to pull off and requires practice, but when it works it works.
Can concur with that, it's also used for Tornado Kicks in Martial Arts classes
@@Kytseo should've scrolled down before typing my stuff, it is also used in skating I think.
People do figure skating spinning at similar or even faster speeds without going dizzy. I guess it's something your brain gets used to or they're using a technique that offsets it.
Could focus on the tip of the sword
Agreed. The technique is called spotting and it is used in everything from martial arts to gymnastics and figure skating.
I continually marvel at the fact there is such a person on TH-cam.
Until I really think about it and am just happy there is such a man on TH-cam.
i love this comment
There’s a French equivalent named « Entrée en lice »
And until about 1.5 yrs ago, he was actually really struggling with his health so glad he was able to regain his energy
@14:20 There are, surprisingly, a few games that come to mind that incorporate that shoulder leverage into their heavy sword combat by having a stance switching mechanic built into the character. Nightmare/Faust from Soul caliber is one (albeit they do have some stances in the realm of fantasy level weight to strength ratio).
for honor's highlander incorporates a lot of shoulder leverage strikes as well
also they're swords are shorter but that's the first thing I thought
My though exactly, soul caliber 3 or 4 had Siegfried as a stance based fighter and Nightmare as a mule.
Elden ring sorta
Monster hunter great sword users
Guts actually does incorporate a lot of off the shoulder slashes in his fighting style, pretty sure I have even seen him half sword, makes me wonder if Kentaro Miura actually experimented with a prop. Interesting that you mentioned the upwards wind pull of the sword too, as guts has used the width of his weapon almost like a fan to disperse poisoned spores.
I was linda thinking the same....actually he also use the ground to propell the sword using It as a sling!!
@@90Rido and his arm canon to help him swing
And also I think iIsaw pretty much all the resting positions he did in the video in Berserk (like in the double page panels)
Well, Miura modeled partially Guts to his best friend Kouji Mori and they indeed once went to a gym to understand how much Mori could lift a massive sword with some weights attached to a stick
They probably did some tests and then exagerrated them for the sake of spectacle
I wonder what Shad would think of the big sword moves from Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning, or War's fighting techniques with Chaoseater from the Darksiders series. That franchise *thrives* on cool dark fantasy, but stuff like the Attack ( - Second Attack) - Turn Away from enemy - Attack have War do a quite realistic twirl in which he swings the Chaoseater behind him and ends in an overhead slam.
I dare assume that the general shape and decoration on Chaoseater would fall positively within Shad's books too. Of course, one man's opinions aren't the be-all-end-all, but it'd just be neat to see worlds collide a bit like this.
it's good for fighting wild beasts; the momentum would knock back the beast and keep you safe. the wide blade is helpful for extending your cutting arc. Maybe you could twist the handle to more precisely point the cut?
Giant Swords are mainly used for their incredible power and long reach.
Always a great alternative for a Spear when it comes to hunting wild beasts.
You could probably take cues from eastern horse choppers like the zhanmadao. A large animal's momentum could be used leveraged by slicing against it to do greater damage.
I tried to do it on a horse.... it moved
@@ericwang565 Just watch the movie, the edge. Anthony hopkins kills a bear with a wooden spear by using the bears weight against it. There are no such things as spoilers to that movie, its always awesome to watch.
Or you could just use a sharp long throwing stick
Your sword is now officially a siege weapon!
On another note, you mentioned in the spin you actually felt the wind lift the blade. Why not capitalize on that, and make the blade in a shape to create more lift like a plane wing. The lift may lighten the load on the wielder during side slashes and spins compensating for some of the negative effects of the weight on the wielder.
Technique wise incorporating the hips and other leverage points might be helpful. Such as recovery from a downward attack, with the blade on the ground using a hip push to start a slash may be a faster way to recover and attack immediately.
lift means redirecting the air flow and thus creating friction. You would definintly get a lighter sword but a slower one and you would have to spend more energy to make it go forward (plane have thusters for a reason).
Now if the sword has a turbo thuster like that Wyvern Ignition sword in MH i could see the lift as making it easier to move it up and down during a swing
@Huzrok Hayzur Good Point yes. A little short-sighted of me.
I had an idea for a story that involved a character getting scaling strength that quickly became super strength. Said character then proceeded to use super giant swords as his main weapon, partly for crowd control and partly for intimidation. For a bit more realism, the I thought the best ways to approach having super strength but not the weight would be a combination of dual wielding the swords in a specific style such that one sword would work as a counterbalance to the other, leaving the only issue to the wielding being the strength of the wielder. The other solution was super heavy plate armor, to increase the relative weight of the wielder to the sword.
Could also claim that muscle and bone density increased with strength, with most of the weight coming from his super dense bones that had to strengthen to match the new tensile strength of his muscles, the super dense bones idea also helps with making bloodier fights without too much real consequences, like say the character gets caught off guard and puts their arm in the way, the arm would get sliced deep but it wouldn't go through the density of the bone.
Imagine the trap and pec strength necessary to counterbalance one giant sword with another giant sword…
@@____________838 Imagine the hilarious musculature that could potentially result in...
Same with berserk guts basically trained with adult size sword when he was barely 5 years old so growing up he's used to using a great sword bigger than a normal sword. Each time passes the sword gets heavier and bigger
@@sytritewarum5720 Average Baki character look
I love how in Monster Hunter World, whenenever you use the great sword, your character tries their best to not get thrown around by the force the sword carries with it, and in some cases even uses said force to move forward during attacks. The animations of great swords in that game really sell the idea of how crazy heavy and strong those weapons are, and how crazy strong the humans of Monster Hunter's universe have to be in order to wield such ridiculously sized weapons in the first place.
I really love how they make you feel the weight of the sword in that way.
With the charge blade there's also an attack that uses its weight to YEET you. MHW is the best * dancing Palicos *
the way he did the 180° swing into the shoulder rest reminded me of the hunting horn
Well... If we get technical, hunters are an especies of their own. According to the well hidden lore of the game, hunters =/= humans. Hunters are descendants of genetically augmented super warriors of the lost civilization that made the original weapons.
Villagers and handlers are regular humans, so they are not able or have a hard time trying to use the hunters equipment.
The only explanation I habe gor that is: monster Hunter can use their bioenergy to increase their strengh and resilience, that's why they don't bleed or break bones when bitten, fanged or stumped by monsters
The said bioenergy shields their bodies and as long they have plenty of it, they can handle extreme levels of damage
Also it explains why they need monster materiais to craft their weapons and armor, these materials allow them to channel their bioenergy better, woch results in effects such as elemental blasts or better defenses
In another words: it works becouse magic bruh 🦉
That's how you have to use it, with a weapon like this you don't hold in your arms. You use your entire body.
I… I LOVE THIS. You take something so fantastical and unrealistic, and you find out how you ACTUALLY COULD KINDA WELL just by experimenting. Shad came up with this fighting style live right in front of us, and I just love that.
Shad: showing people how to properly use giant swords
Rathalos: Nervous sweating
Gonna be honest, this sort of content is what I’m here for. I don’t mind the other stuff, but discussing the viability and technical side of completely absurd fantasy weapons and creatures is what brought me here. This was quite interesting to listen to
Same. Or the effects of something like magic or monsters on the world.
Yeup, agreed. 'Nuff said, really. Just love how people like Shadiversity or Skallagrim dissect the viability of pop-culture weapons and etc.
Agreed, and also castles :)
yup, i like the breakdowns of things I can't read somewhere else from shad. he at least gives it a good go and his personality makes it interesting
Me too! I absolutely live for realistic exploration of fantasy weapons, races, settings, magic, etc, especially if there's an effort to see how it actually might work!
Dizziness can be dealt with, but what about actually striking something during your spin? I'd imagine having a grounded stance while swinging sword around would make you way more stable. Hitting someone in full rotation would most likely throw you completely out of balance.
You can continue to spin and have the sword fall into your shoulder into rest position
I'm sure he'll discover this pretty quickly when he actually starts to play around with it, but you use the rebound from striking to set up your next strike. When I was younger, my friends and I used PVC with foam to set up mock sword fighting, and I made a sword that was a foot taller than me.
It's hard to get the thing stopping and going, and so you want to use active momentum as much as possible, and avoid having the sword go into a "potential energy" state.
The rebound from a successful strike has SO much force, that it helps keep the blade in motion. Instead of resisting the rebound, you push into it, to set up your next swing. That next swing CAN be used to strike at your opponent again, but it doesn't have to. I often used it to get some space, or get my weapon back up to momentum again. Consecutive strikes often pummels your opponent into leaving an opening, but they also tend to gradually decrease your momentum.
The sword is very easy to control and manipulate with momentum, and VERY hard to without it. You normally want some kind of leverage, such as setting up from the shoulder, to set it into momentum in-between attacks. You can't keep the momentum going constantly, or you'll tire yourself out.
Using the ground to disrupt the momentum of opponents with such large blades is pretty effective. They will almost always jump back to try and get their sword back up onto their shoulders. That sets up an ideal time to make an attack.
Idk, with the momentum as it is the person would probably be cut in half
@@justryingmybest At the very least it would be a solid bludgeoning hit
Some chinese styles use a lot of spinning, and have plenty of variety of follow-through and recovery techniques.
I thought the techniques Cloud Strife uses in Final fantasy 7 remake were interesting. His buster sword is basically a sharpened slab of metal with a handle. He is a "super SOLDIER" so it makes sense that he wealds this weapon. It's slow to get going but when he does it literally throws him into his attacks. He flows into each slash in wide arcs, throwing him around in almost a dance, instead of traditional sword work. Stance is VERY low to the ground and he is either using it like a shield, moving slowly; or almost dragging it behind him to move faster.
Leslie carries the sword with his arm straight out as he puts it onto the ground in Don Corneo's Mansion. The bustersword is supposed to be too heavy for normal people to carry. While I agree with you that they did a good job, there are times it simply looks like foam. If you want a "better" representation of using a sword as big as your body with actual drawbacks look at Minagi Mikoto in Mai hime.
In the “Last Order” FFVII animation, the weight of the Buster Sword really comes to the spotlight. Zack just stuck it to the ground to be a “sort of” shield cover for the injured Cloud. The basic enemy soldiers tried to take the sword but they couldn’t.
@@vincentgraymore Checked it out. Not impressed. The stuff from the FF7 Remake is far more on point for realistic sword movements. Uses similar hip drive and pulling of the sword, I agree, but Cloud's movements facilitate more practical combination attacks without leaving the swordsman wide open for counter-attack between attacks or during the "posta" or "guardia" - the position taken between cuts that allows the swordsman to attack again or defend against the opponent's next attack. Sorry, bud.
Other games that I would recommend looking into for practical movements with giant swords are Capcom's Dragon's Dogma and Monster Hunter series (more so the Dragon's Dogma longsword, but some of the animations for both longsword and greatsword in the newer Monster Hunters are also practical - just not most of them, so take that with a grain of salt).
@@vincentgraymore I suspect its supposed to be too heavy to wield not not carry. carry would imply its hundreds of pounds for no good reason.
Bring that sort of shoulder technique into monster hunter for the great sword would be so nice.
The shoulder technique is used by the hunting horn lol
Great sword in Sunbreak use that kind of technique with the surge combos.
@@sludgewave4786 yeah especially rage slash since u can change directions
Big fan of MH and Souls. I gotta say I'm interested to see what a total revamp would do.
Unfortunately MH is a long standing game with moves dating back YEARS. It'd be difficult to break tradition at this point, not just because people already like the "signature" moves, but also because it might take Capcom another several years to achieve the same level of balance/polish.
Would be better to take From Soft's approach: make a new franchise and experiment, and learn from that. Maybe slowly introduce those new lessons back into the more established franchise sequels.
@@xerberus3337 Capcom has it's own way of doing that. The mainline MH has really codified combat with the same moveset we always see. But games like GenU or Rise/Sunbreak are almost like spin offs. They really innovate on the moveset and playstyle of each weapons.
For exemple in rise/Sunbreak the switch skills allow you to change certain moves and combo and can really transform completely some weapons.
In GU there's the style system. There's 6 styles available and they all change how the weapons is played drastically.
Don't repare the castle wall, its more authentic like that. Brings history mark to it
I made a a sword 1ft hand 5ft blade, 3/4" pvc pipe core and pool noodles make up the blade, and I've sparred with my friends with it a few times, what I've found is to be effective with it you absolutely have to preserve momentum along with leveraging off different parts of your body, arms, shoulders, legs. Everything has to flow, you really have to move your body in a very unorthodox way for it to work. Another method for when people close the gap and get real close is, tip to the ground you hold it up and your able to cut off a huge area significantly reducing how much of your body is visible, and how many ways they can attack you. Then you can push the blade, still vertical, into your opponent to strike or distract them as you get in on the grapple
I made a sword with a similar design. It was supposed to be that length but I made the core too big -- it didn't fit the whole length into the jumbo pool noodle, so it ended up being 7' long instead of 6' long.
I really agree that using your body to leverage the sword off for angular momentum is key. And also your idea to put the tip on the ground for leverage to block or screen enemy attacks.
Sledgehammer Kungfu
So in WoW speak, you've experimentally proven that Bladestorm out damages Whirlwind. Glad to see the scientific method at play lmao
I'm not sure if you looked into the Soul Calibur series much, but Siegfried's fighting style might give you a few ideas. There's a lot of pommel strikes in there.
I think nightmare's techniques are alil better
@@tommiealleniv7648 which version and why not just take the best of both?
Oh, def best of both. But looking at them individually, nightmare in SC2 has the best of reach, power, and speed
@@tommiealleniv7648 He also has a giant demon arm and fire magic tho. Siegfried seems a little more... humanly possible
@@the_infinexos get giant demon arm and fire magic. Got it.
No one else on TH-cam could make such entertaining content, that is also so functionally informative. Well done Shad!
Shad apparently discovered that this giant sword may be used as a siege weapon against a castle.
If you were trying to make an actual weapon with the characteristics of a giant sword, it seems to me based on the performance test that redesigning the giant sword to have an extra foot with a sort of pseudo-ricasso (the gripping point above a crossguard) where the edge is dull and possibly leatherbound would allow you to use your shoulder as a docking point (itself preferably armored and padded) to serve as the fulcrum and also allow you to pivot the direction of the blade. I could even see armor specifically designed to support this style with shoulder and bicep components shaped to help dock the weapon and reduce strain on the muscle and bone underneath.
Furthermore, the actual blade beyond this point could be made much thinner and longer, or simply take a tuning fork shape to widen the threat range with two long, sharpened sprongs at the edge with no middle mass. Having this much weight put on the lower half of a massive, shoulder-pivoting weapon might allow you a remarkable amount of reach while providing a realistic weight distribution zone to center the mass around the body. I think having either a thin blade or a tuning fork shape would be essential, since wind resistance is the biggest problem with trying to weaponize what is essentially a giant flat plane. A hollow flute in the blade might also help with this problem.
It would probably not be a great dueling weapon, but I presume it would be a menacing tool for a specialized combat role similar to a doppelsoldner. The ability to drop the sword and immediately switch to a side-arm theoretically could make it a valuable frontline tool. The biggest problems I see with it is manufacturing cost and training, and knowing when to read a situation and quickly abandon the weapon in favor of another. I also do not see pommel and crossguard blunt strikes being useful for dealing with something inside the blade's threat zone due to the weight, which is unfortunate.
I think a cut out fuller going down the middle would really make this type of sword. And your idea for a giant ricasso also.
"I could even see armor specifically designed to support this style with shoulder and bicep components shaped to help dock the weapon and reduce strain on the muscle and bone underneath."
honestly i think there are already armor styles that would be ideal to use as a starting point for that. example, some medieval shoulder pauldrons had large flanges rising off the shoulder in order to guard the neck from glance off blows. king arthur's armor in the film EXCALIBUR has flanges like this, though rather exaggerated:
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if you put a second smaller flange just outside the first one, you'd have a natural valley inbetween them to rest the blade in. that would serve just fine.
You iterally just described Rat/Wrath Style swordsmanship.
@@yggdrasilburnes I am not familiar with this, but after watching a few videos I'd say such a weapon's combat application could result in a permutation of that style -- wrath style seems to still rely on lift for positioning and countering, which a weapon of this magnitude cannot be exercised into reliably. But the motions are very similar to what you'd need to utilize to get the best use of its reach.
Do you think if it was feasible it would have been incorporated ? No shield , huge weight, slow and cumbersome, out ranged by pole arms, bad in formations, exhaustion in minutes upon loc.
You wouldn't even really need padding or pauldrons if the edges of the sword were blunted towards the guard.
Even just like... a foot of bluntness would make it more comfortable and wouldn't wear out the armor so quickly.
That being said, padding may still be preferred anyways so the sword catches a bit and is less likely to slide off the shoulder.
And that explains why Cloud wears a single shoulder plate with a few bolts sticking up out of it.
@@matohibiki The real reason is shown in the prequel game (which recently got remade on all platforms), since his sword is already single-edged and therefore this isn't an issue for him. But I like your opinion and would accept it without question if I didn't know better.
@@josh-oo But that was Angeal's sword, a gift from his parents. The standard-issue SOLDIER sword is a double-edged sword.
Unless the remaster changed the plot of the PSP original, I mean.
@@matohibiki Everything is the same as it always was. Cloud was never in SOLDIER, remember? He never used a standard-issue SOLDIER sword.
@@josh-oo But the uniform he got is still a SOLDIER uniform.
As a DnD player, playing a character who's likely to get his hands on some superlarge weapons, this sort of stuff is precisely what I come here for. Your Medieval Misconceptions is also a personal favorite of mine. I've learned more from you than any formalized education.
"How to fight with giant swords"
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As a giant sword reference, you could look into Siegfried from the Soul Calibur series. He has multiple stances (is a stance dance character) and a lot of the swing and stuff flow into each other in that game.
It's fairly realistic in how it works, too. He can swing fast, but he always has more recovery frames. The swing speed is fast, but the redirection takes quite a bit more time
Siegfried/ Nightmare was who I was thinking of when Shad started swinging the sword off of his shoulder. Since both characters are the same guy, they do have a similar fighting style with the giant sword and Shad was starting to recreate some of the moves from the game without realizing it.
Another good reference is the Warrior Vacation from Dragon's Dogma, the Great sword/Hammer movements are pretty realistic in how you'd use a giant weapon
I definitely thought of Nightmare when I saw this video
Personaly, I think that Genshin Impact can also be checked for reference - there is an entire weapon group called claymores, and characters that use that weapon have different fighting styles and aproaches... one of the characteristics of the claymore group is that charged attacks take time to start and finish, regular attacka for some characters incorporate kicks to help with raising it up, and there are also resting positions when character screen is opened on weapon section...
Before your next giant sword video -- make sure you try out Sigurd's / Nightmare's moves from Soul Calibur, it'd be awesome to see if any of them are actually "realistic" or just pure fantasy.
Nightmare’s always been my favorite character, whenever I play something in VR that has a giant sword I always find myself imitating his moves. And yes I’m aware of the weightless issue when playing in VR lol
I had to scroll before mentioning Sigurd. His greatsword definitely looked and felt very practiced
I always felt like it was the move believable style to use a tremendously large sword
@10:30 another benefit of the grip on the blade is it gives you more leverage in static binds!
Edit: One huge benefit of leveraging off your shoulders is that it allows you to engage your whole core and back into generating torque. I think an important focus for developing a style for the extreme sized swords would be removing as much "wind-up" and telegraphing as possible. The faster you can impart power and torque , the more you'll mitigate the lack of finesse.
Another interesting thing to ponder is a technique similar to one used in baseball batting; you keep your arms/hands in a fixed position close to the body and effectively twist at the waist; this eliminates the moment arm between your body and the bat/sword using your core and posterior chain to generate the majority of your torque and acceleration. When your body reaches its rotational limit you engage your arms and whip the bat/sword to impart a burst of acceleration right before impact. This allows you to reach higher impact force in lower time frame as you use the largest muscle chains in your body to overcome the initial resistance, making it much easier for your arms to do their faster work.
To try this IRL, basically throw a cut from the shoulder like at 12:50 - when the sword gets almost vertical, pull the pommel into your bellybutton and do an ab crunch as hard as you can trying to touch your shoulder to the opposite hip. Just before the cut impacts, perform effectively a zwerch movement with your hands to get that whip.
Edit edit: As i was typing this edit to say I was going to do some dev, I hit the part of the video where you said you're going to do basically everything I was thinking as well. It'll be interesting to see what the differences are between what we come up with.
You don't want to let it come to a bind with that sword
Great comment!
Actually static binds wouldn't really happen in real combat - they're too easy to get out of. You just change the blade angle one way or the other, and you've deflected the force.
Who knew that the first person to attack the castle was the King himself. 😆
being as the two handed sword would be really difficult to acctualy stab with I feel like a curve could be viable to help cutting power. On top of that if a bit of the base was blunt or even if it just had one edge you'd be able to easily carry it over the shoulder like you demonstrated and even hold the blade like you did in the vid for one if the stances.
He did mention adding a ricasso
I know this is old, but just hold on to the blade when you go to stab. Like one hand on the handle and one on the blade.
idc what exactly are you doing with the camera, but the changes between the static camera, the close-ups and that one camera that follows you from a moderate distance are very good to keep the video dynamic. Good job to whoever was behind that.
YASS, YOU MENTIONED MONSTER HUNTER’S GREAT SWORD!!!
By the way, I thing some of the designs on MH, specially on “bone” great swords, have quite a great resting point because they’re sharp only on one edge, it would be interesting if you analyzed some great sword designs (like analyzing just that weapon tree) great video pal!
It's a momentum manipulation game. I used to practice with x2 18lbs sledge hammers, one in each hand(I'm 6'5 and well built) just for the giggles and to see how I could make the mechanics work. It's not so difficult as you'd think. There's a finesse necessary to it that some people just don't have(my eldest son is build like me but has none of my natural athletic ability for instance, he'd never be able to do this), but I'm convinced it's not only possible but you'd definitely not want to battle someone who could do it. I still pick up wood cutting axes sometimes to flourish for the kids and show friends who think it can't be done(dead wrong, it absolutely can be done).
A slight redesign of a giant sword might help; adding side ring guards where the outer part of the ring is a grip. This would put your hands into a position similar to holding a chainsaw or machine gun allowing the weight & torque of the sword to be handled in a more efficient way.
What do you mean by the rind on a sword? I tried looking it up but couldn’t find a single thing about it.
ring guards?
@@charliekelly1435 like a hand guard large enough to be gripped so you would hold the sword like a machinegun so you would be able to swing it and poke it with greater control, i think thats what he ment.
@@hungvu262 yes side rings are the same as ring guards
@@charliekelly1435 side rings are the same as a ring guard it's just a different term for the same thing
There's a technique dancer's use while spinning to avoid getting dizzy when they spin. Keep your head focused on a single point and quick spin it when you hit your limit. You could definitely use that if you were to spin with a sword like that.
I feel like having the blade themselves made out of a hard and light material (titanium or one of its alloys, probably) and keeping the core out of a light but still somewhat sturdy material (wood?) would make a giant sword somewhat viable.
Also, helicopter moment.
My guy you need to understand how leverage works you have an 8 foot long blade that’s 8-9 inches wide made from really any light alloy titanium included will still be quite heavy on top of that it’s going to have an unusual center of gravity that has to be controlled form on single end of the blade so #1 you would likely barely be able to hold the sword straight out in front of mean your over all edge control will be basically no existent yes you could use momentum but at the end of the day you are still swing around maybe 15 pounds of some hard metal which is exhausting if anybody here has swung a big ol 10 pound sledge for work you’ll know that shit is tiring and this idea of rotating the blade over head is flawed there is a lot of weight pulling on your arms more and more the faster your swing and it is highly likely you dislocated or break your own shoulder just trying to swing the fucker in an effective way that’s why even the largest swords we that have legitimate use behind them weight like 7-8 pounds roughly im not shitting on big swords I’m shitting on hunks of metal people think they could consistently swing without getting tired, hurt to the point they can’t fight, or that they would just catch a blade to the gut the second to swing that chunky boy the down stroke may be fast but that upstroke will likely kill you
@@Skim_beeble7125 first off, ever heard of punctuation? Second off, did you even read my comment to the end?
Definitely titanium alloy, pure titanium is pretty much only used for bone implants and other medical uses nowadays
@Skim_beeble 7124 he was just explaining his idea of how the idea of giant buster swords could be brought closer to reality without them losing their identity. I think most people here understand that things are heavy and swinging heavy things is tiring and stressful on the body. No one is disputing that. My brother and I used to "swordfight" with 10lb sledge hammers lmao. Yeah, it's not practical unless you're 6'4 and weight 260 lbs.
Helicopter momento
Id really like to see someone do an entire video on hypothetically how different stances would effect the leverage would effect the ability for someone super strong to manipulate a giant a heavy sword.
As a fan of huge swords, from Cloud's famous Buster Sword to the monstrosities in Elden Ring or Monster Hunter, you're doing the lord's work here! Awesome stuff!
What about whistles built in your big swords when wielding in a disturbing major chord to frighten off the enemy!
When you were swinging it over your head you got lift from the huge blade; the choppah-blade!
major intimidation! I'd love to see shad try this out!
I would literally shit, on the spot
didnt executioner blades have holes at the tip of the blade for this purpose?
While the emphasis was mostly on 2-handed swords, DS3's Abyss Watchers use (and imply) some very interesting 1-handed/paired techniques. For starters, while they use a sword similarly sized to the first one in this video, it's proportioned more like a claymore, which allows more traditional 2 handed use. Alongside this, they use a hardened, claw-like 'wedge', held with the blade pointing downwards. They use this dagger between attacks to mitigate some of the downsides of full-body heavy slashes, but it also plays a vital role in the reckless fighting style of the Undead Legion: throwing yourself around...
Their swords are heavy but the Abyss Watchers themselves are only lightly armored, and they use this to great effect. For example, a move the player gains access to is to lunge fowards dagger-first, while starting a full-force sweep with the sword. The dagger stabs firmly into the ground and, using the massive inertia of the sword, the player slides 270° around the dagger while making a huge slashing motion with the sword. Granted, this is very dangerous, even within the setting (Undead Legion don't bother with shields because of the whole... Undead thing), but there are other, more general things to extrapolate.
They tend to keep a low, hunched stance, for a lower center of gravity and for sudden lunges or leaps. They also utilise that savage stance, sword-on-shoulder rest position. When using lunging attacks, they put as much force into the swing as possible, to maximise the momentum they can gain. One thing that is absolutely vital is proper knee protection; They have flat metal plates over their knees, which is what lets them do all their fancy slidey moves on stone floors without getting the mother of all carpet burns!
If I'm being honest, I lost the original point somewhere along the way, so tldr: backup dagger, spin to win, always wear adequate protection!
*Legion Etiquette gesture*
Actually, compared to other ultras, abyss watcher's greatsword is very light. And it's the only ultra that can be parried even when used two-handed. Spin to win is real tho.
I've always adored that move set. Easily my favorite weapon to use in DS3. Someday I want to make a decently strong prop of it and really put it to the test to see how it would feel to use a weapon set like that in real life. It looks like so much fun!
A pleasure to read
I wonder how the big one would feel if you replaced the wooden pommel with a steel one. Shift that center of balance back towards the guard and see what changes. I'd be really curious to see this with a 6-8" longer handle and a 2-3lb solid pommel, and how differently it might handle.
A pommel of mass destruction?
heavier pommel would probably not contribute very well with the handling since you'd be adding more weight to the entire weapon
ideally, if you want to shift the center of gravity, you'd want to remove mass from the tip of the blade instead
a longer handle would probably give you more leverage, but the distance between the hands can only go so far before your arms start crossing into each other with some moves
you'd also want one hand to be as close as possible to the center of gravity
a heavy hard pommel is mostly for hitting than counterbalancing
In berserk, I liked that when guts first got the dragonslayer, he looked like he was using the weight of the blade and its momentum to carry the swing, as opposed to more recently in, say the fight against zodd where he was just whipping that thing around like it was weightless.
Some of Miura's best combat scenes in "Berserk" featured Guts using his shoulder as a fulcrum for his swords. He just fast forwards to the moment of impact in most panels, so you have to mentally rewind to work it out, or compare and contrast between the Before and After panels.
I was also thinking of a blunt part near your shoulder. You have such a reach, that you could get away with not having an edge there. Perhaps even rounding it, so that you can control it better. I was also thinking that you have so much blade area that is unlikely to come into contact with a target, that you can have the handle extending very far up it. That would give you a lot of leverage.
Once it os big and heavy enough you don't even need edge so...
I was literally thinking about that earlier today
Giant swords are basically just inefficient but cool looking poleaxes
You're right.
Extend the handle really far up.
Like, allllllll the way, untill you are about a foot from the tip.
Introducing... The spear.
fun fact: there's a Bleach character with a sword like that, look up Ginjo
@@DH-xw6jp Lol pretty much
This shoulder leverage thing has HUGE potential. I would love to see some pro fight choreography that incorporates it.
My only response to the question is Big Dingus Energy.
Unga bunga logic actually applies and I've tried using sword and spear techniques on an imitation Kanabo (Japanese War Club) my brother made. There is some overlap and always falls on using more of your shoulders to channel movement and full body twisting to guide follow-up movement
And yes Shad, spin to win is the stupidest practical way to use it and that also threw my back out.
The Kanabo deserves more love. It's a cool weapon, simple as it is.
@Jur the Orc oh, an orc agrees. A man who knows the simple joy of swinging girthy wood.
Spinning is never a good battle strategy, no matter what you carry.
But spinning is a good trick
@@SergioLeonardoCornejo If you can surprise somebody it's ABSOLUTELY a good battle tactic but not for too long.
A handle that goes up into the blade and has a locking/unlocking mechanism allowing you to change grip without having to let go. The blade spinning around the handle.
Sort of like if you took a small wheel and put it where the cross guard is. You would wield it more like the sword shield combo that you did that one time.
Or just use a regular sword. Just saying
@@Fzzt2 that's less whimsical, though.
So kinda like a giant bat'leth but with just one blade?
Sounds like a trick weapon from Bloodborne
I really appreciate shads energy. He's slowly getting more and more winded from swinging these big f*ck off swords around, yet his words per minute stays fairly consistent, he just doesn't stop talking 😂
Y'know, I wonder if you've looked at some of the video game greats for move ideas with your giant sword. Sigfreid of Soul Calibur is my favorite big sword guy, closely followed by Guts from the Berserk series.
Ever play monster hunter? The greatsword move set from that franchise is one of the best (imo of course) "Greatsword" movesets
@@SidewaysGts Definitely not what he's going for. With the way he critiqued Elden Ring's colossal sword moveset, I imagine his thoughts on MH would be similar.
Yeah, I was wondering if he had ever critiqued the Soul series; if not I will he hope will. A lot of this really made me think of Nightmare/Siegfried. And I think Nightmare is a good example of a "realistic" BFS user -- he has demonic super strength, and at least Soul Edge itself has a good reason to be oversized, and the fleshy bits might actually weigh less than metal.
@@Flammifleure Why would you pay attention to that over the movements?
@@iBloodxHunter I thought it was obvious that the movements were what I was comparing to Shad's experiments. Unless you're seeing a different Shad, he doesn't have a demonic sword or mutations.
-Yet.-
Since the swings and stances he did remind me so much of Nightmare in SCII and Siegfried in SCIII, it's safe to say I feel those are "realistic" as well.
I would love seeing the shoulder leverage swings in a video game or show, it honestly just makes it look more powerful, really sell it's weight.
As far as resting the blade, Cloud does have the advantage of the Buster Sword only being single edged, so he doesn't have to worry about it biting into his shoulder when he rests it.
Wish you woulda mentioned Siegfried's fighting style from soul calibur. Especially SC4. He has a really conservative fighting style for the most part with his giant sword.
Maybe in the next vid?
He even uses some of the stances in-game!
@@somejerk5662 yes he does! Excellent point.
centrifugal force is the pseudo force experienced in a spinning reference frame, Its very easy to discuss the force in most scenarios as if it was real instead of describing it as an artifact of the inertia of the moving object. centripetal force is a real force, tho its exactly the opposite of the pseudo centrifugal force and shouldn't be used to describe it, Centripetal force is the force keeping the moving object from being released, in the sword example it would be your arms pulling on the sword, and the centrifugal force would be the sword pulling back on your arms, tho in reality its actually just the resistance of the mass of the sword to the acceleration you are providing with your arms.
tl:dr centrifugal force isnt real but it is very close to real and a useful talking point so dont dismiss it, centripetal force is real but its not the same as centrifugal force and is infact the opposite.
This is one of the most concise while still being accurate descriptions of this I've seen in a while. Cheers!
My friend, whos supposedly really smart, argues with me to this day that "centrifugal" is a real force no matter how many times I tell him that it's just a property of inertia.
i actually didn't know this , was never teached to us even in college... thank you man
People rarely explain it in an unconfusing way. The simplest thing is that the force you're feeling is inertia. the fact that it feels like it's flinging you in the opposite direction of the pivot point is the fictional-force part. You're being flung in the direction you were last pointing because inertia. it's like the opposite of the escape velocity concept.
Centripetal force is not only the force from your arms on the sword, but the other way around as well, since every reaction has an equal and opposite reaction. Centrefugal force would be keeping your arms taught and preventing the sword from falling on the ground, though both are really just inertia viewed from a rotating reference frame.
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It's funny you use Pier Gerlofs Donia's sword for reference because crazily enough he did actually use that sword for combat. Dude was 7 feet of pure unadulterated badass and used swords like that to absolute MURDER his enemies.
I love that you actually go into how fantasy stuff would work if possible And give examples and posture instead of just saying “it doesn’t exist so why bother” like some other people do. This one I love especially as you give strategies and methods to use fantasy giant swords.
you can train yourself to be less affected by dizziness from spinning. When I was starting, i was seeing starts from like 10 rotations of the head, but now I can do over 60 and not even feel that dizzy even then.
It helps to keep your eyes focussing on one point. Just like dancers do, when they spin.
Watching shad do those wide combo swings just feels so satisfying, like you are actually using techniques to weild a giant hunk of metal that one would think is unweildable.
My favorite large sword concept is a massive sword with a blunted tip and running down the center is hollowed with a smaller sword(with the large sword being a sheath/shield). The hallowed out center turns into a tower shield grip and then you have a sword and board combo.
YES Shad i want you to stablish the "Giant Swordsman Ship" martial arts
OMG YES!!!!!!!!!!
it's super cool how you figure out a new combat style for giant blades like that. :)
My heart and sword, always for Demacia!
Idk why i read it as dementia lmao even tho i play league
spin too win!
Started my morning watch the forestry guy talk about grounding his bed, weaponizing ice melt and eat charcoal. Nice to see someone sane using a perfectly reasonable weapon.
huh, I like it, the viability of the weapon is presented fair enough for me to want to see it in practice with a real one
You won't be able to life a sword that size in real life unless you're a power lifter or something
@@Zotube888 a 400 lbs powerlifter with Gorilla's forearms
There is a guy on YT making a accurate dragon slayer and it's over 300lbs. Seeing him move it around to machine it really shows how insane that much weight in a sword really is.
Shad you're just so much fun to watch ❤️
I'd love to see you getting comfortable enough with giant swords like these to develop a "treatise" on it! That would be cool fantasy material!
Shadiversity back at it again with giant swords! No complaints here.
In all actuality, when you wondered what the recoil would be on a super massive sword like the Dragonslayer when deflected, I think the truth of the matter would be that if you make the slash in just the right way, there wouldn't be a deflection due to the sheer mass behind the weapon. Ultimately that would result in you playing either tee-ball with your opponent's weapons, or you'd just rip through them and their weapons like they were paper mache.
That _is_ of course, assuming that magic metal wasn't used in whatever your opponent is wielding.
Either way, the Giant Sword(tm) is definitely the archetypal "guard break" weapon.
Can Shadoversity cover the practicality of someone with super strength using an anchor as a weapon?
Edit: damn autocorrect
short strength??
Do you mean Stout Strength?
@@windmill9998 damn autocorrect
@@EatWave damn autocorrect
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Hey Shad, I really appreciate these kinds of videos.
I'm a 3d animator that prefers to do mocap combat animations. I also do martial arts and things like this is a good reference tool if I ever do fantasy animations.
Stuff like this also makes me want to take up a little HEMA so I can mocap weapon animations by myself.
So keep it up my man, who knows if I ever work on a known title, I might name drop you as reference materiel some day :P
He’s having way too much fun with this one
I think fighting with heavy stuff like that you need to utilise centrifugal force after swinging from the low back for an empowered next attack. Love Ur vid
That's the Montante style I think? You basically make a cut and then you follow through making the second cut. So you do a lot of spinning.
I wonder if the thing he mentioned about the wind actually lifting the sword when he angled it could be used to control the height of the swing up or down, if properly trained for.
A shoulder and hip check fighting style with a giant two handed sword like that would be really fun to see. Especially wondering what kind of armor augmentations you could add to enhance the leverage.
There you go, watch a noob do it.
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For the spin, dizziness shouldn't be an issue, Ballerinas can spin at a much faster rate without getting dizzy by focusing on a target and quickly spinning their head when necessary, which also has the benefit with this sword of allowing you watch your opponent(s). I feel that the full spin would also have an advantage in being less exhausting, since the motion relies on your core instead of your arms. I also think that recovery shouldn't be too much of an issue. You can initiate with wide slashes, getting the sword moving before you spin your core, and then recover by bringing your body to a stop while performing wide slashes into rest position.
Honesty I only thought about how a person would use a giant sword when I was setting up a sail boat. The aluminum mast (pole that holds the sail) was somewhat able to be wielded (although it was hollow). The mast was 4.7 square meters and handling rigging other boats kinda showed to me how unwieldy a large object in length could be. Great video!👍
Ah, the Helicopter strike.
was about to comment the same thing lmao
It's funny how well it actually works.
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Someone: you couldn't uses a sword that big.
Shad: Hold my swords.
Someone: don't you mean sword?
Shad: No.
Near dead of summer and this man is in full gear swinging around giant wooden swords. Stay hydrated Shad!
I don't think you'd want to sharpen the bottom of the blade. I double you'd ever attack with that bit, and you could grab the blade and put in on your shoulder easier.
I wonder if a giant sword design with holes in the center might be more effective. You'd reduce the weight and potentially increase the rigidity, depending on the material used. Depending on how the holes were placed, they could also potentially become temporary hand holds to open up additional leverage points for different positions.
Shad for a sword that big, your handle is not nearly long enough, from what I'm seeing your handle should be half your wingspan. That way you can have a much wider grip and more leverage. You would also want to take a low stance.
Yes, proportions more similar to a real great sword would be appropriate.
I always love it when shad makes wooden props.
credit to Tyranth for this one, all his work.
@@shadiversity I recall him being a prop maker. He has done amazingly.
20:20 ik its a dead meme, but this clip would make the greatest shooting stars edit
It would be interesting to try using montante techniques with this. Specifically the one where you are contently spinning the sword into slashes as you change your facing in a fight against a group.
When he started spinning, all I could think was "Demacia"
Just a thought: a character with sufficient strength but insufficient weight could probably wear super-heavy armor to weigh themselves down.
You do a pretty damn good job of making me wildly curious about something that I usually have passing enjoyment of at best, medieval stuff
If you're interested now, you've come to the right place.
One of the things he didn't mention when talking about the elden ring animations is that the characters are indeed strong enough to swing these massively heavy swords but they don't have the extra weight to not be thrown off balance by their own swings. So they almost exclusively stop their swings with the ground. Great attention to detail to make it seem more "realistic".
So... they are "kind-of-awesome but definitely impractical"? That kind of ruins the point of having something like that, doesn't it? If they have the strength difference, then perhaps they should be doing that much more damage with weapons they can handle properly?
@@JarieSuicune from what I'm reading in other comments, the most effective use of these weapons is with precise control of the weapon and wielder's momentum, rather than just one big swing that leaves them open for a while. Then again that takes a lot of skill, so for military purposes, you would be better off giving everyone regular swords. Regardless, the whole point of giant swords is not to be useful, but to look badass
If you threw that sword mid battle after a swing attack I think you would hear bowling pins falling over and a wii sports “nice on!”
Shad proof that Monster Hunter is realistic! Glory to the Great Sword!
I wouldn't say realistic since Monster Hunter has a lot of other nonsense that is pretty blatantly unrealistic like any monster that generates cold or ice within its own body, but the fact that the greatsword throws you around and you move like you're carrying something that's easily over 100lbs makes it one of the more tolerable giant swords in my opinion. I don't really like oversized swords.
@@conorb.1901 Why would generating cold in their body be a problem? Lots of animals can even survive being frozen solid and they could have internal insolation.
@@uiiiiitoll4878 it's not a matter of survival, like you said plenty of animals survive in cold climates. No, instead something like Barioth being able to breathe ice is unrealistic because as a living creature it is extremely difficult if not outright impossible to generate cold within one's own body.
To this day I'm certain that GS mains are actual clairvoyants, with the amount of timing it demands to actually be good. People who think ChB is the hardest weapon to learn haven't tried actually dealing good damage with GS.
@@conorb.1901 monster hunter is not on earth, all the materials are different and they never talk about weight
The ecosystem could be a lot different and we also have some weird shit here like supersonic punch shrimps that produce a deadly cavity in the water with a flash of light, or immortal jellyfish. Or bioluminescence for example. All kinds of different materials for fibers, tissue, bones etc. could exist there!
We don't even begin know what was possible in the earth's long lifetime yet, so who says monster hunter is impossible on a different planet? Obviously the monster hunter people would be aliens, maybe they don't even breathe air?
Ah the memories of having "giant sword" fights.
Seeing Elden Ring being brought up makes me curious to know if Shad could do a series where he reviews and discusses the fighting styles and animations for weapon attacks in games!
I'd be very curious to see what he'd think of some of the Odachi attacks in Nioh and Nioh 2
I can't speak for Sekiro, since I haven't played it, but ER's movesets are all fictional.
In short, your character looks like they never held a weapon before, then again, who plays fromsoft games for realism?
Finally the video we all knew we needed
I think that Glaives were popular in they actually have most of the positive sides of swords on top of having polearm reach and average-human-level requirements.
Now someone needs to make an Elden Ring mod that incorporates this fighting style into the games colossal swords.
amazing video shad as always! , i fight in buhurt, and in armor even with small single hand weapon's 99 percent of the time you can found the weapon slung over the shoulder in that resting, but ready to strike position! and im looking forward to your next video already!
High risk high reward weapon, i think it can compensate because of the intimidation factor, but just in 1v1, if you are dueling two people they can easily get you surrounded, you will be forced to use the spin attack and that will reduce your stamina and make you dizzy, duel will be shorter that you can think.
Nnnoooot even a little bit how things work at all
I feel like a large/giant swordstaff would allow even better usage of a super strength character than a giant sword would. It would allow even more leverage and speed, where a giant sword would suffer from diminishing returns.
If you would be fast enough, they won't be able to do this surviving as well.
I personally had a lot of 1v2 and 1v3 moments in big fights with giant foam sword - dancing around a bit you can actually force them to stay closer a bit.
Doesn't work on crazy runners
I don't get dizzy, so I'd be fine. Although, I probably don't weigh enough to wield a large sword. Last time I went to the gym I could do 400 pounds on the leg press, but I only weighed 115 pounds.
@@eyesyt7571 Shad told about real problem - moment of inertia (and point of balance).
If you van lift 400 pounds - try lifting 200, but 0.5 meters away from you.