So What If Caleb Williams Isn't A "Generational" Prospect?

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  • @MisterVicky9
    @MisterVicky9 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +554

    After the first minute or so. I couldn't agree with your message any more than i already do. Seems like every year we get a great QB prospect, he just gets the unfair label of generational. Feels like a huge downside of nfl draft Twitter is the sensationalism that comes with it

    • @SoyAngellll
      @SoyAngellll 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Idk if this is just a “twitter” thing TH-cam Antalya all feed into this

    • @xfranchize
      @xfranchize 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Only he said he was not generational than lists all the reasons he is so I’m more confused. 😂

    • @nathancarroll7347
      @nathancarroll7347 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Generational QBs are once or twice a decade. In my life, it’s Manning, Luck and Lawrence. That’s it. No one else was truly generational.

    • @xfranchize
      @xfranchize 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@nathancarroll7347Lawrence Trevor is garbage. Generational Brees manning Brady all offered something different and set a standard. Lamar Vick same thing what do you call it? Trevor Lawrence is a mediocre qb.

    • @xfranchize
      @xfranchize 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He is clearly generational he has few weaknesses. Arm talent 1% pocket footwork which is what presence is in the 1%. Athletic ability top 10% but not generational then what is?

  • @shadowsniper9542
    @shadowsniper9542 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +212

    Trevor Lawrence proved that no prospect is truly unsinkable once they hit the pros, and I've always considered the "generational" talent moniker to be misleading in any sport. No prospect can truly succeed anywhere they go and no matter what coaching they receive, and it's unfair to treat them like that's the expectation.

    • @drewwilson6639
      @drewwilson6639 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      Trevor's best years are still ahead of him. He just turned 24 years old

    • @zackhurwitz9441
      @zackhurwitz9441 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

      ​@@drewwilson6639People said the same thing about Winston, Mariota, Carr etc. Lawrence has been one of the most overrated QBs since he got to the league.

    • @jerrodrabenbauer5896
      @jerrodrabenbauer5896 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

      TLaw still kinda looks good though? Last year was great and it’s only his 3rd season

    • @j.r.3945
      @j.r.3945 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      @@jerrodrabenbauer5896last year wasn’t “great” it was up and down but pretty good overall there is a lotttt to clean up still though

    • @alod247
      @alod247 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      There are prospects who do transcend schemes and coaching. Those are the truly generational players. Those are the guys Cam Newton was talking about when everyone jumped down his throat. They are rare and actually “generational” tho. Not in every draft class or two like the media pumps up.

  • @CarlosRamirez-hr2bn
    @CarlosRamirez-hr2bn 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +225

    I think there’s a whole lotta context left out in the way Caleb played by only observing the offense. He HAD to always look for the big play with the way Southern Cal’s defense was historically terrible. Caleb scored 40+ points on average only to see every lead slip through his fingers and it’s genuinely wild to me that that gets overlooked. My heart was shattered countless times watching him NEEDING to play damn near perfect or they would lose. His sophomore season he was quite literally Superman leading that team to 11-3 and I didn’t think it could be any worse than that until watching them this season. Great vid Marcus I’ll be looking forward to the next one dude!

    • @ryanrzjr
      @ryanrzjr 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

      that doesnt really make sense to me. If you're defense is doing poorly, you AVOID big plays, and play conservatively to allow for both your defense to rest and to control clock management. It's not like they score the longer you take to score.

    • @TX.hook-em
      @TX.hook-em 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Live by the Lincoln Riley offense, die by the (sheer lack of) Lincoln Riley defense of any kind. It never fails!
      The folks over at Oklahoma learned this lesson the hard way. As a Texas fan, it always had me dying of laughter no matter what happend during Red River Shootout (seeing as we hired a pair of awful also-ran HCs).

    • @bherbo3943
      @bherbo3943 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      This is a damn lie. There were times when the offense was up multiple scores and were still big play hunting which opened the door for the opposing team to comeback later in games. USC didn't play ND every week lol

    • @ThatFranchiseGuy
      @ThatFranchiseGuy  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      Have this very note in my full writeup on him! totally agree

    • @CarlosRamirez-hr2bn
      @CarlosRamirez-hr2bn 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@ryanrzjr in theory yes absolutely, when you’re able to play complimentary football but when you’re 123rd in penalties and constantly playing behind the sticks how is that conducive to being able to play chew clock. All I’m saying is there’s more context than just “why was it this instead of that” which could be said for any prospect.

  • @grim-_-
    @grim-_- 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +58

    Thank you for pointing out the fact that Caleb changed his game up alot after that ND game. Thousands of people completely overlooked that part of the 2nd half of his season because they dont watch the game in the first place, they only see clips on twitter.

    • @jimmy_butler
      @jimmy_butler 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He was trash before and after

  • @thunderbear82
    @thunderbear82 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +143

    This year has proven it doesn't matter who the QB is as much as matters the OL, Coach, and playmakers surrounding the QB. Having said that the QB's skillset, reaction time, and aggression makes it easier for some QB's to fit into more systems and be better in specific systems.

    • @jaredsilvers2782
      @jaredsilvers2782 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

      What? Who won the last 15 Super Bowls? Mahomes, Stafford, Brady, Mahomes, Brady, Nick Foles, Brady, Manning, Brady, Russ, Flacco, Eli, Rodgers, Brees, Big Ben. That's 13/15 straight up elite QBs, and Foles and Flacco played out of their absolute minds those years. This year has absolutely not proven "it doesn't matter who the QB is as much". This year's superbowl winner will be a team with an elite QB, again.

    • @nickvaughn6558
      @nickvaughn6558 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@jaredsilvers2782I think this year is more due to there not being elite play, which is what might be confusing him. Purdy, tua, and all the slightly above average teams having mediocre qb play. Colts, Steelers, browns until Flacco

    • @Black4Cook
      @Black4Cook 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      @@jaredsilvers2782 you make the wrong comparison. Who won the last 15 super bowls? Teams with a great o-line, coach and playmakers arround the qb. Mahomes and Burrow lost a superbowl where the o-line was terrible or injured. Rodgers didn't make the super bowl because the defense was unable to stop the run years after year.
      You need a good qb to win the super bowl but the qb doesnt matter if the rest of the team ist trash.

    • @truzzprod.8191
      @truzzprod.8191 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hope this isn't referring to
      young because he's garbage

    • @celsoflores5092
      @celsoflores5092 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@Black4Cook The good thing is the team with the #1 pick has a good defense, a good offensive line, and quality weapons to throw to. You put Caleb with the right offensive mind to get that potential out of him and your setting him up to succeed right away.

  • @jaredcurrie5338
    @jaredcurrie5338 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

    IT’S DRAFT SZN! Nothing eases the passing of the majority of season like prospects on prospects

    • @nautgamingnautgaming9949
      @nautgamingnautgaming9949 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not for me lol
      We are going for the top
      First playoff game TAKE BACK MY DIVISION
      2nd game get revenge on the team that eliminates me EVERY DAM YEAR
      Love is HIM

    • @densonjc
      @densonjc 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@nautgamingnautgaming9949bro packers are not getting past the first round… they barely beat the bears

    • @DeVine22305076
      @DeVine22305076 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@densonjc well that was wrong

  • @joshahlstrom2764
    @joshahlstrom2764 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I love that you released this because the hate has gotten out of control. People just like doing a 180 and going against the consensus I guess without doing any real digging. I’m still a big believer in Caleb Williams and think it won’t take too long for him to become special in the NFL.

  • @LucaMVP
    @LucaMVP 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    If you don't classify him as a "generational prospect" then you must at least classify him as a player with "generational potential" no? How often are we gonna see a player that shows shades of Mahomes/Allen/Lamar with proven qb processing coming out of college?

    • @xfranchize
      @xfranchize 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Exactly

    • @jaredsilvers2782
      @jaredsilvers2782 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Exactly, and it's pretty hard for me to get away from the fact those two guys ahead of him in the grades(Burrow, Lawrence) played on absolutely stacked teams with good or great defenses. They didn't have to play with the mentality of "we're going to lose if I can't get this offense 6 TDs today".

    • @vodo1983
      @vodo1983 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      What's funny is none of the guys you mentioned were considered "generational" either, as prospects. If guys like Mahomes (10th pick), Allen (7h pick / 3 QB taken), and Lamar (32nd pick / 4th QB taken) aren't tabbed as "generational" prospects, then nobody should be considered generational. It seems impossible to actually identify "generational". Just look at how many teams whiffed on Joe Montana (3rd round pick), Tom Brady (6th round pick), and Rodgers (24th pick). Nobody knows what generational means or looks like evidently, so let's stop trying to tab prospects as such.

    • @FantasySportsZen
      @FantasySportsZen 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nope. Not that good at all.

    • @IndexInvestingWithCole
      @IndexInvestingWithCole 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      "How often are we gonna see a player that shows shades of Mahomes/Allen/Lamar with proven qb processing coming out of college?"
      Every year

  • @learn2xpand862
    @learn2xpand862 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    The velocity he has on his ball is just amazing

  • @pablod_7
    @pablod_7 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    One of the best videos I've seen on TH-cam concerning Caleb Williams. I am a Bears fans and I have seen videos and discussions either praising Williams or slandering him with no real analysis as to why he's either so good or bad.
    You got my sub.

  • @carlaauri8461
    @carlaauri8461 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +100

    This is legitimate professional at work.
    Thanks for today’s content and specially that final thought, knowledge brings up certainly to any debate.
    Congrats on soon to be 100K.

  • @ironfistalexander3246
    @ironfistalexander3246 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +89

    as a bears fan, it's so hard to see fellow bears fans smear this guy. you can like fields but it's hard to deny that williams is a fantastic prospect. ryan poles has a tough decision to make with the amount of people it might piss off

    • @howitbe9846
      @howitbe9846 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      They'll come around

    • @haydenwalker975
      @haydenwalker975 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @@howitbe9846all I had to do was look at Caleb’s stats against ranked teams aswell as the questioning of his leadership capabilities aswell as how highly Justin is talked about in the current locker room. Also there is 0 Guarentee that Caleb could be better than justin

    • @artvandelay216
      @artvandelay216 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      @@haydenwalker975he most certainly could do better than Fields in the throwing department. Love Fields but the lack of throwing over middle and slow processing has been frustrating
      Give me Caleb or Drake
      🐻⬇️

    • @howitbe9846
      @howitbe9846 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

      @@haydenwalker975 I don't care about how Justin Fields is talked about in the locker room. If you want to look at stats, look at Justin Fields' passing stats, near the bottom of the league on all of them. It wouldn't be very difficult for Caleb to surpass him in passing.

    • @rawness19
      @rawness19 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      @@howitbe9846 so do you watch the games or just look at stats? I’m just asking cause all I ever here is about stats. No one’s talking about tape.

  • @SovereignJMagic
    @SovereignJMagic 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    Man scripted TFG videos about a specific topic are the best. I can’t get enough of it! Thanks Marcus and let’s get this man to 100k! ❤

  • @shadowflamegaming5598
    @shadowflamegaming5598 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    As a fan of a team that is almost certainly not making the playoffs, I’m so hyped for draft season! So eager to see all the draft content and evaluations from you Marcus, keep up the good work!

  • @mattmosconi2074
    @mattmosconi2074 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Awesome video. I'm a Bears fan and I'm much more excited about Caleb than I was before.
    I initially had Drake Maye as my preferred guy, because I saw lots of underlying stats showing him with stronger results than Caleb.
    So I hope you are able to put a Drake Maye video out there. I'd love to compare and contrast.

    • @ye24christisking40
      @ye24christisking40 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Wouldn't it make more sense to go with the guy that they've been developing for 3 years as opposed to a question mark?

    • @ektran4205
      @ektran4205 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ye24christisking40 caleb is just a combo of baker kyler and jalen hurts since he is a lincoln riley qb

    • @ye24christisking40
      @ye24christisking40 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ektran4205 nah

    • @joeking433
      @joeking433 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Don't you think Caleb will be another Bryce Young?

  • @JaredTG.
    @JaredTG. 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    I think it would be nearly impossible for a QB to make it this far without literally not being capable of playing within structure. Zach Wilson is probably the closest i can think of to fit that and even he has the ability to do so just refuses.

    • @nefonsports3786
      @nefonsports3786 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      dumb take. he was top ten in qbr inside of the pocket

    • @ektran4205
      @ektran4205 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      the ruined SAM DARNOLD and ZACH WILSON

    • @ihonestlydontevenknow4359
      @ihonestlydontevenknow4359 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      i still believe in zw. the jets just fucking ruined him. i think he was pretty good all things considered last year.

  • @jimbo92107
    @jimbo92107 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    You showed Caleb do both quick throws and heavy improv deep throws. The key question is, does he understand when it's time to do each one? If he's simply a hot dog gunslinger, then he'll go down in flames. However, I don't think he's that simple. I think he will make the adjustment to faster defenders, cutting down on the scrambling. His team should also provide him with faster, more sure-handed receivers that can gain extra yards themselves, making his scrambles less needed.

  • @rellfacts279
    @rellfacts279 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    I don’t see the point of Bears fans bashing him just because they want to keep Justin Fields. If anything bash your front office, coaching staff for not getting the most out of Fields while he was there. Ryan Poles could keep Fields just to please the fanbase and some of the players but he didn’t draft him so he has no loyalty to him.

    • @watr19
      @watr19 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They got the most out of fields, Caleb’s starting point is Miles better than the best fields has looked on the field his whole career

    • @SekundSun1986
      @SekundSun1986 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's not a Fields vs. Williams debate. It's a Fields and MHJ+picks (on a team that is so far behind) vs. Caleb debate.

    • @joeking433
      @joeking433 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'd keep Justin. Justin is a franchise QB and Williams looks like a Bryce Young clone.

    • @TheWhyson27
      @TheWhyson27 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Mitchell Trubisky and Daniel Jones had better stats after three years, so are they franchise qbs?

  • @ealy1399
    @ealy1399 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Such an underrated channel, you make some of the best nfl content on TH-cam

  • @agent-21-PS5
    @agent-21-PS5 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    5:53 Fields would’ve been sacked. Bears don’t try and get cute and trade down again. Take this man.

  • @njmartinez29
    @njmartinez29 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    man even as a chiefs fan with no need to scout qbs, this is awesome content and a good way to see the upcoming generation of QBs coming into the league

    • @tomjones2056
      @tomjones2056 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Mahomes slide is in full effect don’t speak too soon 😅

    • @DiegoCrawford
      @DiegoCrawford 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tomjones2056You were saying?

  • @MLGDouglas
    @MLGDouglas 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The Aaron rodgers bit 💀💀. Also the Yolo meter is genius.
    Great job man! Luv ur stuff!

  • @STBR247
    @STBR247 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I wore my TFG T-shirt at a local poker game and they all asked what it was. I sent them to your channel. Your channel deserves all the praise it gets! Keep balling out.

  • @isaacgartzman7523
    @isaacgartzman7523 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    great insight Marcus! Definitely sold me on the Bears moving on from Fields and getting Caleb. I think that his off-the-field issues are also something to consider in his profile, but obviously it's hard to do that without actually having met the guy.

  • @NotMeNaNaNa
    @NotMeNaNaNa 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    As a Bears fan who has suffered through the literal Death Valley of QB’s from Cade McNown to Mitch Trubisky it is tough to give up on Fields, but low and behold we got the #1 pick again and this year “can’t miss” QBs are available.
    That said, in the last 15yrs the following QBs were “can’t miss”
    2011- Cam Newton
    2012- Andrew Luck
    2020- Joe Burrow
    2021- Trevor Lawrence
    3 of the 4 seemingly lived up to the hype with Lawrence going from “maybe it was Urban Meyer’s fault” to “maybe last year’s playoff win was a fluke”. None of them won a Super Bowl with Newton and Burrow both getting to one early in their careers but also were plagued by injuries like Luck who decided to retire early vs stick it out with Indy.
    I see a lot of similarities to those guys in Williams, whether it would be bad coaching leading to poor development, possible injuries derailing his development or worst of all he loses his passion for the game and takes his money and retires before he gets hurt too bad like Luck.

  • @Jazzere2244
    @Jazzere2244 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Awesome video. One of your best for sure. As a bears fan hoping we take Caleb, this is great and potentially depressing come April.

  • @terranceramirez4816
    @terranceramirez4816 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    15:00 what I hear you saying there is that Williams would be best suited for the Andy Reid, Brian Daboll, Mike Kafkaesque system aka the “NFL Air Raid.” There’s absolutely no need to stress out about whether he can or does play on time in structure if he’s not in a system that overly emphasizes those things.

  • @irish6783
    @irish6783 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I don’t know how bears fans can look at this. See what this QB is possible of doing and being content with fields.

    • @jordanp4134
      @jordanp4134 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Bears fans like fields more as a person and a runner than an actual QB

  • @justinleandoer6821
    @justinleandoer6821 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Cannot wait for the draft guide

  • @troajnboi12
    @troajnboi12 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Been watching all of your content since the draft class with Darnold in it and this may be your best video yet. Incredible analysis and the last 3 minutes of this video 🔥🔥🔥 bravo on close to 100k

  • @jrm78
    @jrm78 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I hope the Bears do draft Caleb Williams. The current argument here around Chicago is between keeping Fields while trading the #1 pick for a boatload of draft picks or picking Williams and moving on from Fields. While Fields can make some spectacular plays with his legs and occasionally throwing the ball, he's been far too inconsistent in his execution for me to think his ceiling is that of a Super Bowl winning quarterback.
    ps. Came across your channel after watching a short video essay by Logan Hurley describing your content as 'elite' along with Tom Grossi and it doesn't disappoint.

  • @QuintonLeo
    @QuintonLeo 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The issue with Caleb Williams is 2 things:
    1. He played the last 2 years in the PAC-12 which lead to him playing late games and very few got to see him play live on any sort of consistent basis.
    2. Recency Bias. USC was awful this year and wasn't anywhere close to making CFP. IMO, he is a truly special prospect. I think the term generational is a bit misunderstood at this point and honestly needs to just stop being used. He's a must have franchise QB, just like Kyler, Burrow, Lawrence and even Luck were. I put him in that category. Those were safe picks. Caleb is a safe pick.

  • @neilkaplan1433
    @neilkaplan1433 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    definitely like this format. Would also like to see some shorter ones on other positions as well

  • @mikec6733
    @mikec6733 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great breakdown. The knowledge, the balanced POV. Superb !!!

  • @C4m4r0
    @C4m4r0 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    As a bears fan, my biggest worry about him is that in a lot of USC's losses, he was a major reason for those losses with turnovers. It did seem that whenever a team had a defense that had disguised looks, he struggled. It also doesn't help that the bears never hire any coaches who can elevate a qb so a lot of those bad traits will stay.

    • @youtubeistryingtocensorme
      @youtubeistryingtocensorme 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Just another bust waiting to happen

    • @ektran4205
      @ektran4205 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@youtubeistryingtocensorme DRAFTED QBS are all about the teams' situations

  • @king_supreme1102
    @king_supreme1102 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Super excited for your draft content this year. Don’t know much about these prospects so I’m anticipating your insight.

  • @coachwalk7485
    @coachwalk7485 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Here's what scares me as a Bears fan. Play 8:55 he's looking left (read is probably deep to short). The out is college open and he turns down the throw. Then the play turns into pocket presence. That's Justin Fields. Passing up open guys then has to go in scramble mode. The next play the hitch is nfl open. He turns it down. Anticipation?

  • @AlphaDwg
    @AlphaDwg 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    I have no doubts about Caleb. I’ve seen enough. I want my commanders to bring him back home even though we ruin quarterbacks. At some point we have to hit right 😂

    • @JerryWilliams5
      @JerryWilliams5 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      All things new, front office etc. I think he will be treated correctly this time if we get him (Praying we do)

    • @tremiller3988
      @tremiller3988 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      U can defo have him 🐻👇

    • @charlesmoore8185
      @charlesmoore8185 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@tremiller3988he’s going to Chicago get used to it

    • @Icebgriz
      @Icebgriz 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      HE'S A BEAR

    • @Icebgriz
      @Icebgriz 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@JerryWilliams5WHY WOULD THE BEARS NOT TAKE HIM?

  • @jadendurham6951
    @jadendurham6951 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great analysis. Level-headed and objective, love this channel

  • @Icebgriz
    @Icebgriz 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    WELCOME TO CHICAGO CALEB

  • @philibusters23
    @philibusters23 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    After watching this video I would love to have Caleb Williams on my favorite team. Unfortunately I am not a Bears fan (go Commanders), so that is not going to happen for me. Cannot wait for the Drake Maye and Jayden Daniels videos who Washington might have a realistic chance of drafting.

  • @Missiletainn13
    @Missiletainn13 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    so excited to see how you rank all these QB’s this draft class is interesting

    • @FantasySportsZen
      @FantasySportsZen 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He'll have Caleb #1, Maye #2. Don't expect any hot takes. He was ALL OVER Bryce Young. Lol.

    • @Missiletainn13
      @Missiletainn13 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@FantasySportsZen who wasn’t? bryce still has a bright future imo

  • @Elan8chz
    @Elan8chz 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great content! Not sure why all negativity on Caleb, so many bad rumors around the kid. I blame of OSU fans. Caleb is not Tom Brady in processing so does most NFL prospects

  • @TanmanC
    @TanmanC 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I Love the QB Ranking videos for the draf,t but the long-form videos are also nice!

  • @lordrayden3045
    @lordrayden3045 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    He’s going to be closer to Ryan leaf than Payton manning
    But the good news is he go pt enough people,fooled that the bears are going to get more for this pick than they did last year

  • @bigbruno93
    @bigbruno93 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    for the algorithm, love you bro keep up the good work

  • @sacredsymbol821
    @sacredsymbol821 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    im getting over a nasty cold to see TFG dropped a new vid, my day just improved 100 percent

  • @RiChicago
    @RiChicago 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    As a Bears fan, I need to prepare myself for the possibility that Justin might not get to finish out his rookie deal in Chicago and Caleb may be the next Bears QB.
    Gimme the info Marcus.

    • @joeking433
      @joeking433 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Caleb won't accept going to Chicago, IMO.

    • @RiChicago
      @RiChicago 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@joeking433 that'd make no logical sense

    • @joeking433
      @joeking433 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@RiChicago Why would he agree to go to shit team where QB's go to die?

    • @RiChicago
      @RiChicago 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@joeking433 You're obviously a troll

    • @joeking433
      @joeking433 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@RiChicago If you think that then you are obviously an idiot. And if Williams accepts the Chicago job he's an idiiot!

  • @JohnAC4
    @JohnAC4 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The zoom on the bears bobble at the end was everything I needed🤣

  • @RonRova
    @RonRova 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Outstanding, my man!!!!

  • @deccwith2cs
    @deccwith2cs 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I watch your content every yesr and it still amazes me how you don't have a million subs let alone 100k

  • @VicInNocal
    @VicInNocal 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Years from now, these idiotic comments talking about how the Bears should keep Fields and pass on Caleb are going to look extremely stupid.

  • @rjharrold2907
    @rjharrold2907 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    22:18 It does look a bit busted with communication before the snap but pretty sure it was supposed to be a match 4, maybe a match 3

  • @AntiPlatitude
    @AntiPlatitude 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Watching him essentially see out of the back of his head when a rusher is bearing down on him on his “blind” side is kind of crazy. It’s almost like he’s got an NFL earpiece in his helmet and the offensive coordinator is telling him (during the play) “the right side defensive end got past our left tackle and is headed your way fast,” and then he just jukes him without even looking.

  • @dezthegem9522
    @dezthegem9522 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This is not shade but why does he struggle against good teams? I’m genuinely curious since he’s so talented

  • @jmlaspina1
    @jmlaspina1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome work here Marcus I know I give you a hard time with my giants but love the content my man

  • @ryancarter4087
    @ryancarter4087 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love the YOLO meter such a good graphic!

  • @smittytheking1218
    @smittytheking1218 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I think he’s Kyler Murray in a real QB sized package.

    • @ThatFranchiseGuy
      @ThatFranchiseGuy  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Could see it.

    • @mikevismyelement
      @mikevismyelement 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think he is smarter and has a better arm than Kyler Murray too. People forget that Kyler was great when he was engaged and locked in but he has definitely ruined his own reputation by coasting laat season and then getting injured

  • @steveosborn7224
    @steveosborn7224 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bro I like that Kittle jersey. He's a beast. If I were an NFL team I would be excited to draft Caleb.

  • @tccrypto8392
    @tccrypto8392 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You see the talent clear as day. However, you can't ignore he's 4-9 against teams ranked in the top 25 throughout his career and didn't look very good this year against some of the top defenses he played such as ND and Oregon. He'll be going up against the best of the best in the NFL so a lot of the stuff that wows us at the college level may not translate once he gets to the pros.

    • @anthonyruiz3134
      @anthonyruiz3134 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Patrick Mahomes never beat a single ranked team in college, Josh Allen beat just 2 ranked team in college, Lamar Jackson beat just 1 ranked team in college, Aaron Rodgers beat just 2 ranked teams in college. That’s 4 ranked wins between the 4 of those QB’s who are on the way to the hall of fame, I’m not gonna sit up here and say that what you’re saying doesn’t matter because that would be wrong, but if it mattered that much only Alabama, Georgia, and a few other schools QB’s would be talked about as first round talents at the QB position.

  • @pedroy0909
    @pedroy0909 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video, waiting on that Drake Maye and Jayden Daniels report.

  • @ICre8sportsTalk
    @ICre8sportsTalk 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent analysis 💯💯💯

  • @andershaukoos
    @andershaukoos 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This channel is criminally underrated

  • @ant8ank2
    @ant8ank2 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love your point that he can play within structure but simply chooses not too. And I don't blame him for hunting for the TD or big play because USC would lose games where he dropped 45 pts. Most of the time he HAD to score. I think if he had a even slightly competent defense he wouldn't have to try to score on every play and be a bit more methodical with his throw selection

  • @ambrogi1982
    @ambrogi1982 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Like Like Like... very fortunate I came upon your page. I love the draft content so far, brother. New sub here. As a Redskins fan, I'm looking forward to the Drake Maye video in similar format (hopefully). These, and the "Watched film for the first time..." series have been very helpful/entertaining in guiding my hope for our QB at #2. Keep up the great work!

  • @SecronSeven
    @SecronSeven 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    New to the channel. Great video!

  • @felixlara2945
    @felixlara2945 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Kinda sounds like you're just describing a prime Russell Wilson but with pocket presence

  • @dgblac0
    @dgblac0 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video, we have to stop using the term "generational talent." Luck was drafted in 2012, Lawrence in 2021 and now we have Williams. The way I understand it, a generation occurs every 20 or so years. Why can't a guy just be the best QB in this draft?

  • @ramonfoster1224
    @ramonfoster1224 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    The people saying Caleb is a bust couldn’t be more wrong. This guy is a top 10 to 15 QB the second he gets drafted.

    • @Icebgriz
      @Icebgriz 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      POLES ISN'T FOOLED

    • @FantasySportsZen
      @FantasySportsZen 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Oh really? Haha. Just like Bryce? Lance? Wilson? Fields? Lmao. This kid is not that good. You don't have to agree with everything the media tries to ram down your throat. Won like 6 games at a major conference powerhouse lmao. Small and slow by NFL standards. Constantly runs backwards from the pocket. Brittle. ...
      Gonna be a disaster. 😂

    • @ramonfoster1224
      @ramonfoster1224 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@FantasySportsZen you brought up a bunch of QBs I didn’t mention. I said Caleb Williams. People just get on this app to argue their stupid point. If you knew anything about football you would know Caleb is definitely top 15 when he gets drafted at least.

    • @stingzen82
      @stingzen82 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You know that how? I need your crystal ball to win the lottery ​@@ramonfoster1224

    • @tomjones2056
      @tomjones2056 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Top 15 isn’t good… would qualify for a bust as a #1 pick imo

  • @ghgftyy66556
    @ghgftyy66556 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was at the Utah Usc game last october and good god his tape doesn’t do him justice, idk how he’ll translate to the nfl but from a college level he was other worldly

  • @rlucas96
    @rlucas96 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Got you bro. Liked and subbed.

  • @Boston99107
    @Boston99107 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Will you have one of these for JJ? I love your film breakdowns and would be curious on your opinions of him

  • @KDRusha
    @KDRusha 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Maybe it’s bc I’ve always played different sports throwing at different angles off different platforms but I just don’t get how some QBs can’t throw on the run accurately. It’s not hard unless you’ve got a man in your grill but that’s tough in the pocket too

  • @philibusters23
    @philibusters23 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It sounds like Marcus is using a similar definition to the one I am using, but my understanding of generational for the NFL is 10 years. Admittedly that number works less well for quarterbacks, kicker, punters. The idea is that a good NFL career will last about 10 years so every 10 years 90% of the players have turned over. Sure some O-Lineman might make it 14 years in the league just like some people live to 100 despite the average life expectancy being in the 70's, but in general a 10 year NFL career is a good career. You could quibble with that a QB, where the talent is more elite because unlike other positions, only one player can start for a team, and where the rules try to protect players extending their career and argue, generational for QB should be like every 15 years, but in general I like the 10 year rule for generational.
    Broadly speaking there are about 10 positon groups
    1. QB
    2. RB
    3. TE
    4. WR
    5. O-Line (and you could break that down in to T, G, and C's if you wanted)
    6. DE
    7. DT's
    8. Offball linebackers
    9. CB's
    10. S
    So a generation is 10 year and there are 10 positions, you'd expect one positional group to have a generational talent per draft cycle. Certainly some classes would have none and some would have 2 or 3.
    I do think the term generational is probably overused; however the people who complain about act like a generation is like a human generation (25 to 30 years) and that there are not 10-12 position groups so we should only hear about generational talents once every 25 years.

  • @masechase463
    @masechase463 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Where would you rank Caleb among last years QBs?

    • @jaredsilvers2782
      @jaredsilvers2782 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He showed Bryce Young's grade, Caleb's was way higher, so he would rank him first.

  • @patrickjerome2095
    @patrickjerome2095 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Despite some interesting analysis, you failed to deal with the elephant in the room: 31 college games 83 sacks 33 fumbles 24 fumble lost. In short, Caleb's weaknesses are disturbingly similar to the weaknesses that derailed the career of Justin Fields. It's very hard to change your ways. Justin couldn't, no matter how hard he tried. Can Caleb? Maybe. But I wouldn't bank on it.

  • @prideofalion
    @prideofalion 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    With the exception of the Kenny Pickett draft, every year there seems to be a "generational talent". I would say Mahomes and Lamar definitely qualify. Maybe an argument for a couple others. But the math doesn't add up that there's a generational talent in every draft.

  • @robe2504
    @robe2504 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    We've seen several undersized QBs recently struggle to reach the hype - Bryce Young, Kyler and Baker. I'd always go for the prototypical guys - Herbert, Stroud, Lawrence, Burrow.

    • @JLA203
      @JLA203 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Kyler is a top 10 qb, Bryce is in an unplayable situation, and don’t ignore guys like Mahomes and Hurts that are similar sizes to Caleb Williams and very successful.

    • @xfranchize
      @xfranchize 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JLA203 let them think Lawrence is good dude looks like rob Johnson replaced by Bryce young flutie would be just fitting.

    • @brandondillman5841
      @brandondillman5841 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Mahomes is only 1 inch taller and 10 pounds heavier than Caleb. Kyler and Bryce are significantly smaller.

    • @robe2504
      @robe2504 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JLA203 That's true although Hurts seems to be banging his head on his ceiling right now, and I'm not sure what Kyler is right now, but as a Vikes fan I'd be rapt if the Cards stuck with him and passed on QB in the draft.
      Also consider that 6'1" is only Caleb's college height. Bryce Young was recorded as 6' or 5'11 all the way through college. The Combine measurements will be very interesting.

    • @bherbo3943
      @bherbo3943 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@brandondillman5841bro are you high? Mahomes is almost 6'4 and 235 pounds. He's way bigger than Caleb lol.
      Caleb is on par with Kyler. They are practically the same size. Caleb is NOT 6'1 lol

  • @micahkittay773
    @micahkittay773 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thumbnail artwork on point

  • @waxer32123
    @waxer32123 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The most under appreciated TH-camr of all time

  • @JOHNPoST-y4u
    @JOHNPoST-y4u 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I remember seeing Manziel college highlights. Never seen anything like it.😅😅

  • @benmorgan9748
    @benmorgan9748 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Best football channel on TH-cam!

  • @renegadephilosopher5996
    @renegadephilosopher5996 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    He abandons the pocket even when he doesn't need to. He holds the ball way too long. He fumbles a lot. He has top tier accuracy, but it won't matter in the next level if you don't get through your progressions quick enough.

  • @TheQ23
    @TheQ23 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Such a great breakdown man. You put it perfectly in the 1st couple of minutes about prospect fatigue. I'm a Bears fan who loves J. Fields but I think it'd be dumb to pass up on this dude.

    • @jaredsilvers2782
      @jaredsilvers2782 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Same man, and it's disturbing to me that the overwhelming majority of Bears fans are so diametrically opposed to Caleb Williams over Fields. Love Justin but come on.

    • @TheQ23
      @TheQ23 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Honestly, most of those Bears fans have never watched USC games and just attach their opinion to the 1st negative narrative they see. @@jaredsilvers2782

    • @nickvaughn6558
      @nickvaughn6558 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@jaredsilvers2782not a lot of people watch film like this. Box scores and helmet scouting. I think people should at least watch this breakdown before trying to call someone a bust

    • @onewayzxy597
      @onewayzxy597 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I disagree what do we gain from getting him if he’s put behind a mediocre to bad o line and a offensive core with poor weapons beside dj and Kmet instead why don’t we just build a complete roster while fields is hot and if fields isn’t him next year we have a complete team for the next qb

    • @tremiller3988
      @tremiller3988 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Y'all could stop it JF1 is the guy we drafting MHJ f*ck Caleb Maye and any other Rookie QB

  • @kash.383
    @kash.383 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good video TFG. Question though, I'm wondering if when you do your final eval on Caleb, will your eval on Bryce Young from last year some what effect the eval for Caleb. Last year, you compared Bryce Young to Mahomes and so far that doesn't seem to be the case. Wondering if you've learned from that eval and believe that you will do better with Caleb. Can't wait for draft season and your coverage good luck in the offseason

    • @noahhargrafen7486
      @noahhargrafen7486 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bryce young is still great, may just have the worst supporting cast of any QB in the history of ever

    • @mikevismyelement
      @mikevismyelement 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I am not ready to pull the plug on any QB after 1 season. Peyton Manning had a bad year his first season.

    • @t4d0W
      @t4d0W 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think the pocket presence was somewhat apt in comparison to what Mahomes developed. But he also had Tyreek/Kelce by the time he started to help punish defenses attempting to blitz him. Bryce had all the bad juju going for him with a bad coaching staff designing the offense, receivers that can't separate and a non-existant run offense. He also has a shitbag of an owner to deal with too while he's arguably the best offensive player for the Panthers on the field.

  • @chrismiddleton4733
    @chrismiddleton4733 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm curious, if Rodgers' pocket presence is so elite, why does he take so many sacks? Isn't holding onto the ball too long and/or failing to evade the pass rush part of pocket presence?

  • @regal394
    @regal394 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    he's not generational, but he'll be that for the Bears

  • @Alex-ye1br
    @Alex-ye1br 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Did he face a single blitz in this video? UCLA rushed 3 a majority of that matchup...

    • @ThatFranchiseGuy
      @ThatFranchiseGuy  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Teams blitzed him plenty, he's very hit or miss against it tbh

  • @dennisrey4787
    @dennisrey4787 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    He's already ahead of the curve... making and processing throws that Fields can't or refuses to do... hope he's in a Bears uniform next season

  • @TheJumboPackage
    @TheJumboPackage 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Love the video as usual! Also love what you said at the end. Some of the comments on my Caleb Williams video have been absolutely wild. I don't understand the hatred for him from some people, even if you don't love his game.

    • @mahmudmahmud2567
      @mahmudmahmud2567 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Fake headlines about him , paints his nails and alot of fields supporters who don’t want a new QB. Just gotta laugh it off respectfully and just look back in 20 years and giggle

    • @TheJumboPackage
      @TheJumboPackage 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@mahmudmahmud2567 True! People REALLY seem to hate the painting his nails thing especially haha.

  • @HDRookie
    @HDRookie 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Think all the bust comments stem from things off the field. Things like rumors being leaked about him not wanting to go to certain teams, wanting an ownership stake in a team as a rookie, etc. Seems pretty clear that to succeed as a QB in the NFL the game itself needs to be your addiction. Buying your own hype almost always leads to catastrophic failure in the league. Because you're going to a bad situation a lot to begin with, and you're expected to turn it around. You have to display good traits in these times.

  • @Lonewanderer1738
    @Lonewanderer1738 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How many times was there actually a known generational qb taken at the one or two spot without thinking the only three names that come to mind is Luck Payton and Elway

  • @nicolastomas8436
    @nicolastomas8436 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’d love to see Drake Maye and Jayden Daniels draft profile videos aswell.

  • @beatty1229
    @beatty1229 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sorry this is random, but do you still do Madden draft classes? I swear I used to always use the TFG ones and that’s how I originally found the TH-cam. Great work you’ve done

  • @bigbear8794
    @bigbear8794 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Right foot forward while set. Some teams prefer left foot forward. And while many claim it makes no difference. I've seen things be different. And think no one admits that it takes adjustment. Add that to learning NFL rules. A new offense. Speed of the game. It's gonna be rough for anyone. I think Caleb can be a good QB. I think Fields can too. So is Caleb so much better than Fields to warrant passing up on a massive trade-down haul. Or getting MHJ. I don't envy the gambles that have to be made.

  • @mikewidyk4186
    @mikewidyk4186 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I was for keeping Fields, but with the Bears losing their last game against the Packers probably means it over for Justin. This was a must win and last chance for him to prove that he should stay. Unfortunately he hasn’t done enough to stay, time to take a new route. Let’s hope Caleb Williams will be great!

    • @t4d0W
      @t4d0W 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Granted its a vicious cycle when a new regime doesn't stick with the QB they didn't pick but its built in with financial advantages in terms of team building. Caleb will be cheaper on 5 years so the Bears will have all that time and money to be aggressive in FA to strengthen the offense. If Caleb somehow fails in the coming years it will be on Poles and the coaching staff for not doing enough.

  • @magmax76
    @magmax76 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Does it make sense to say that Caleb is a generational talent but not a generational prospect?
    Meaning his talent is off the charts, but the area hes not polished in could derail his future unless he can temper it some.

    • @xfranchize
      @xfranchize 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So basically any prospect

    • @magmax76
      @magmax76 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@xfranchize Not necessarily. While many prospects have areas to improve, the distinction here is that Caleb's talent is exceptionally high, making him stand out even among top prospects.

    • @t4d0W
      @t4d0W 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@xfranchize Not all talents exhibit high floor traits and stuff you can't teach. Few do get poorly scouted and turn to different players as pros. Also there is still more of a success rate of top 3~5 QB prospects turning into legit QB1s with great decade long careers than those chosen later in the 1st round or picked in day 2. Even far less in day 3.

  • @zackaryhaselius2226
    @zackaryhaselius2226 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Bro poeple gotta stop throwing around "Generational". Ive heard Joe Burrow, Tua Tagovailoa, Trevor Lawrence all called Generational. And yeah they are all good, you gitta stop outting the oreassure on these young guys.

  • @ashlynmashburn845
    @ashlynmashburn845 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey man I was wondering if anyone knows where he gets his film for the videos from?

  • @hia5235
    @hia5235 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Every year they say someone is a "generational talent"
    Look at Lawrence: he in fact, isnt a generational talent