You were within the Mauna Kea Science Reserve owned by the State of Hawai'i and managed by the University of Hawai'i. They do not allow the launching or landing of "drones" within the Mauna Kea Science Reserve. This is a highly sensitive area packed with several research observatories. Chris did a great job interacting with the ranger. Mauna Kea is also a very important and sensitive area to Native Hawaiians.
You cannot launch and land from inside a state park without permission (which can take a long time when you apply), but from outside the park, that's a different thing.
For years I flew around in the Mount Baker forest just miles from my place in Deliveranceville - Now there is a complete BAN on flying in the National Park and that is what we are dealing with.
This is why The range on a drone is the most important factor to me. I've flown lots of places that you're technically not supposed to. The key is to STAY LOWKEY. Stay out of sight, find an area to take off away from people or park rangers. I usually take off and then fly from inside my car if possible. If that's not doable, just take off and get it far away as soon as you can. Then just sit down and fly and you should be good. I've flown all over Hawaii and never had issues with my strategy.
Thanks guys! Very informative. In summer of 2022 I went to Bolivia for the first time and had permission to fly everywhere for the most part. Especially the parks and reserves there. Got some great waterfall & forest footage. Ironically I'm finding it harder and harder to find cool places to fly here in NC that aren't restricted. Really annoying. As always though.. great content! Thank You.
Government takes control of places like mountains in Hawaii, then it charges you to us it. After all, that drone thing of yours could easily smash into a lava flow and change it's course right into this very parking lot. Thank you Ranger Tomi.
Same a 5 river metro parks around dayton ,Ohio. They charge 200 a day for only commercial pilots. Claim 107.45 as the uas regulation that allows them to control all space within their park boundaries. Last I checked 107.45 only applies to FAA
@@charlesrabycr Follow the 💲💲💲. Its what makes the world go round. Pay up and magically its OK. Grease a bureaucrats palm and your good to go until another agency declares you need another "authorization". If you want'ta play you got'ta pay pilgrim.
I see a lot of pilots putting out there that they have a 107 when confronted about where they are flying. From what I understand is that when you have a 107 you are no longer a hobbyist flying a drone so those rules for hobbyist don’t apply to 107 pilots. You have more rules to follow. So unless you are making money from flying drone why would you get a 107 anyway? Just do the trust test and go fly if you really wanna do things somewhat legit. Please let me know if I am wrong?
I did it to get respect. To show I cared about rules and wanted to follow the rules more than the next guy. Turns out the only rule is can't fly that here.
There is a land use restriction in this particular park that Chris was standing in and flying his drone. That most likely was not the case in the park that you were flying in.
The biggest problem with this stuff is the overlapping of jurisdictions and lack of shared data between them. I check the FAA, the state, the county, and finally any city having jurisdiction over the operation site before I launch, and recognize that authority to make or change the rules may be extended to individual park management.
I went to St Lucia last fall and when I went for a drone permit I discovered that the island is so small, it was a long ride through the mountains(not far, but there are no straight lines through mountains) to get away from the 2 airports. I left it at home.
So technically, there is no resource that provides you with information on land use restrictions in state parks, right? So the right thing to do would be to contact the park directly and ask them? Then you are dealing with park employees who might not even be familiar with such restrictions, Or, they might just take it upon themselves to create a new rule or restriction that day, despite not having any knowledge in drone rules whatsoever... This is messed up. If a state park is going to put a land use restriction in place, that information should be easily accessible to the public. Furthermore, I believe that they should also have to state the reasons for such restrictions.
The Ranger said he could purchase a permit from them, but he then he went on to say if you wanted a permit to just fly around and take photos and videos it wouldn't happen.
They can absolutely take your drone but may get it back. If you refuse and are committing some form of crime (state or fed). I think the ranger was pretty decent and didn’t escalate anything.. Both parties handled situation pretty well
In California, I had a Drone Encounter. I was in a State Park. A Ranger came by and said "drones are illegal in this park." I packed up and left without arguing (I knew that was not true). I then wrote to the Park Supervisor who said correct: drones in California State Parks are up to each park supervisor to set the rules. Drones are legal in *this* park. But right after that, they DID post no drones signs in that park because the supervisor had determined that drones might disturb a threatened bird that sometimes nests in the park. Fine with me...good rule. But the point is, every California State Park can make their own rules about that park! And Rangers are often clueless on what those rules are. Good luck.
In Colorado, National Forest Rangers typically frown upon flying at the parking lots and trailheads. Same applies to camping and hunting within a quarter mile of the roads in the national forest. Pull offs on the side of the road are cool tho.
This is a great idea! Unfortunately national parks in the UK don't want drones full stop. Snowdonia national park is enormous! You could stand somewhere all day and not see another person, but its still not allowed to take off of land in the park. Don't think they can stop it from the public highway though 😂
@@FPV-TV419does that depend if the ‘public highway’ is on their land? It really is a minefield? I’m hoping to go back to Mt Snowden sometime with my digital telescope and do a panorama from the trig point.
@@TheM0JEC yea I'm not 100% sure.. but I'm assuming that as the roads are looked after by the local councils, and are public roads, that they technically aren't owned by the park. So im hoping that taking off and landing from the road/ pull in ... is not in breach of their policy. Who knows 🤷♂️
True, but what's not written anywhere is those flying locations are AMA fields, and you have to have their permission to fly. At least that's what I've experienced at one of those parks.
In the unfree state of WA there are zero state parks which allow drone flights. A special permit is required which I hear is practically impossible to obtain.
I think the drone industry needs to have drone education commercials on tv for the public. This would help to show karens, enforcement etc that we are not harming them or spying on them.
Great vid as always! Question about technicalities. Seems like the parks and other such places have found ways to keep us out of the air through land laws. I think I've found one that will help me get around one such law, and wanted to run it by ya. I'm a whitewater kayaker, and like running steep, boulder choked creeks, anywhere from Class III-V... it's a TON of fun in some of the most beautiful places. I live in Arkansas. Our "crown jewel" creek is inside of a Wilderness Area, which says drones cannot be operated there... BUT, in the State of Arkansas, navigable waterways fall under the jurisdiction of the Corps if Engineering... Say I was to take off and land from the deck of my kayak, or even a raft, in the water, not touching the banks... Technically, I took off from COE jurisdiction. I'm not worried about ever being caught because these places are way off the beaten path, deep in the roadless areas, super remote, and during bad weather events, not summer, more like... the last few days... but posting the video(which I want to do) would be where I could be reported. There's about four of these creeks, which are totally rain dependent, so getting a permit "60" days out would be impossible since we never know when the rain is going to fall in the right place... Thoughts?
I love how he was safe in FAA space and ranger said... now actively break the law by landing that drone back on my property. And then the ranger referenced not taking pictures, which has nothing to do with anything.
Hey Ken, Go to the airport, get on a plane and come visit Hawaii. You and I will fly some drones in many areas other than this spot. I have been meaning to invite you. Be sure to let me know and you'll be flying a drone while eating sushi and Hawaiian plate food. Pick you up at the airport. See you soon.
This might seem simplistic, but wouldn't it be easier for all parties involved from the drone pilot to the park officers or the police if they just put up "no drone zone" signs?
Here is another reason that park rangers, Rent-a-cops go out and make up rules as they want to. One day a bunch of motorcycle guys are going to ride up to this mountain and Ranger Rick will tell them they cannot ride their Choppers on the mountain. They will give Ranger Rick a ride on their motor cycles. If they don't want you to fly there should be signs or the software "Before You Fly" should give you clearance.
i Fly R/C Aircraft and Multi rotor Drones. There are certain Rules and Regulations, concerning where you can fly and near Airports. 400' top limit and 5 miles away from an active Airport. The same thing happened to the Guy at lake Mead.
I want to add, one more time, the *legal FACT* that we (every US citizen) have a public right to transit the airspace. This *INCLUDES* something that is logically required, that being the ability to safely enter and leave that airspace. Included Under 49 USCS subsection 40103 is, . . . First off, a citizen's right to transit the US airspace. Only a bit further on, under the same subsection, is addressed the public right to ACCESS to that airspace. *"Sovereignty and use of airspace* *(a) Sovereignty and public right of transit. (1) The United States Government has exclusive sovereignty of airspace of the United States. (2) A citizen of the United States has a public right of transit through the navigable airspace."* *"II. PUBLIC RIGHT OF TRANSIT 2. Generally . . . Legislation, whatever its purpose, that denies access to navigable airspace by local rule cannot but be regarded as plain and forbidden exertion of power . . . ; federal regulation of air navigation and air traffic is so complete that it leaves no room for local legislation which might impose different and inconsistent rules."* In this case Ranger Tommy's (i.e. the State Park's) denial of Chris's access to the airspace is in direct conflict with the second paragraph presented above. ". . . it leaves no room for local legislation . . ." regarding access to the navigable airspace. I sure would appreciate Ryan LaTourette addressing what actual US law states, as quoted above, regarding our US public right, as citizens, to take off and land without interference.
Drone Scanner works as well, I was in PR Christmas week, gave me flight restrictions on how long I can fly and how many feet I can go, worked pretty good.
I've heard from several people that drones are heavily unliked in Hawaii so it makes sense, and I can understand their viewpoint with much of their land sacred to Native Hawaiians. I generally stay away from any state and national park areas but the state parks you seem to usually be okay if you just stay away from the "access" areas and use the free access areas. They usually have no jurisdiction as soon as you're out of the park boundaries so that seems like the way to go from what I've gathered. I prefer more remote areas though where people leave me alone when I fly for this exact reason though.
I almost had my tinywhoop stollen! was flying in the street and kind of lost control, lost a prop and ended up in a construction site. We showed the security guard where it fell and he had the feeling he could keep the drone even after we even filmed him taking it. Had to call the cops and threaten his arrest for theft since we had it filmed. He gave it back after almost an hour of discussion. This is called envy.. people that will never be able to buy something like this or have fun with something like this at any time so they try to take your fun away for themselves.
I'v been thinking and with the war in ukrane, and Russia using the same dji drones, but modifyed, to drop granades, killing people, that the overall view people are having towards drones is becoming more and more negative the more they are used for bad things. We are going to keep seeing more and more drone confrontations.
some drone pilots are not smart, take my neighbor for instance. He would fly around at bedroom window height, hovering on the border of our yards. We had to stop him. I fly drones, and wouldnt even consider doing what he did. Some people think they can fly them anywhere, thats the more pressing issue IMO
I keep trying to tell people to NOT call what you fly a "drone". Call it a quadcopter, or multi-rotor aircraft. Or, UAV. People will be totally mystified if you call it a UAV. LOL
I do believe there is a NO DRONE FLYING sign at the entrance to the shelter by the parking lot. Now they will not let you drive up the mountain from the shelter if you have a drone. I was there 6 month ago. A number of years ago during covid times I was able to fly at the top of the mountain at 13,600ft. If you want to fly high up go to the other mountain, Mauna Loa. Its just 300ft shorter than Mauna Kea. The only thing on top is the weather station and no rangers.
For the past two years I have been serving on the Drona Advisory Committee (DAC) for the Oregon Parks and Recreation Department (OPRD). The DAC is comprised of departmental reps, reps from various recreational groups (hikers, birders, equestrians, etc.) and I am the sole representative for "recreational drone pilots" (but, I have Part 107 certification). Kenji Sugahara has been representing "commercial" drone interests and now also is the Director of the Oregon Department of Aviation. To my knowledge, this is the first state park recreational activity to be subject to a comprehensive rule-making process. The DAC is poised to submit a set of draft rules to the Oregon Parks and Recreation Commission for review and consideration. OPRD understood from the beginning of the process that it had no jurisdiction over the airspace so the focus has been on launch/landing zones (LZ's) within OPRD properties. [I have placed multiple comments/cautionaries into the record, but the reality is much of the drone expertise input has been drowned out by the non-drone reps to the DAC.] In addition to the rules, there will be detailed maps for each of the properties. Sample maps reveal the potential of a labyrinth of LZ's. I have proposed the Department has an obligation to provide adequate notice to drone pilots of these spaces and suggested, if adopted, the maps should be posted on line much like Aloft/Air Aware so that responsible drone pilots can properly attend to the spaghetti that the department has created. ... Waiting see to what happens.
The real misfortune of Oregon has been their regression. Oregon had previous been one of the 17 states with a state preemption law that disallowed local government from creating or enforcing their own drone ordinances. That law was also applicable to Oregon state parks. Brendan Schulman had done an absolutely fantastic job of engaging with legislators to pass that law and help the state to comply with the FAA's request to stop local governments from creating a patchwork quilt of restrictions on drones that would inevitably endanger rather than protect the National Airspace. Then along came a drone attorney when Oregon parks felt they might want to create some of their own restrictions. Your "comprehensive rule-making process" that followed lead to two things... 1. Drones went from being able to freely fly in Oregon state parks (which they had done for years without incidents - I have the FOIA responses to confirm such) and 2. That inch given lead to a bazillion miles as Oregon gutted the state preemption clause and now is allowing every podunk village to impose their own patchwork quilt of regulations that is going to set up a real disaster for Oregon drone operators in the days, weeks, months, and years ahead.
@@RyanLatourette Good morning Ryan. The "rest of the story" is that the entire coastline in Oregon is in the public domain. This includes the beaches and rocky outcroppings - the whole thing ... and this area is administered by OPRD {which led to me talking my way onto the DAC since I live about 300 meters from a fantastic beach). Thus, any regs adopted by OPRD could impact the state's entire coastline for drones, RC model aircraft and, jeepers, maybe even kites (after all - kites are unmanned remotely controlled aerial devices). The OPRD staff are good people and well-intended, but know little of the technology and notification infrastructure. Most members of the DAC are also nice well-intended people, but there has been an elitist ambient anti-drone environment ["I want my solitude" "but, what about the birdies?!" "drones will spook the horses" "drones are dangerous" etc.] I have a number of stories from my experience on the DAC, but, right now anyway, I am focusing on just how drone pilots will have notice of the patchwork of LZ's being fashioned by OPRD staff (theoretically based on the guidelines developed by the DAC). I am also concerned OPRD administered coastal shoreline will become a regulatory mess. We have areas where driving on the beach is permitted and I live only two miles from an official launching area for Part 103 aircraft, including, of course, motorized Part 103 aircraft, where my drone could end up being constructively banned. Go figure. One good outcome was I discovered the UAS Data on a Map showed the entire Oregon coastline with a narrow band of a NoFly zone. Digging into this, I learned the USFWS had put a "hold" on the area for the seabirds in the "rocky outcroppings" for the Oregon Islands National Wildlife Refuge ... which comprises a total of only 371 acres. But, some east coast FWS bureaucrat had, in the past, identified a band along the entire coast as restricted airspace and this information was picked by the FAA when identifying areas for the UAS Data on a Map. After multiple contacts with the FWS, this information was corrected. I could go on - and its not over. We yet have review by the Commission, probable training for Park Rangers, working through the notification process, probably drone pilots doing stupid stuff, misapplication of the regs and, undoubtedly, litigation. 😛
So i have a friend who flies fixed wing and rotors for a private company and he said you cant restrict drones without restricting all aircraft. If its a no fly zone, itll show for ALL AIRCRAFT.
Two thoughts on confiscation that I'd love to hear feedback on: 1) Would you not be able to plead the 5th when asked for the drone? Providing the drone to authorities "provide(s) information that might incriminate". 2) If an authority takes the drone unlawfully, and it goes to court, I'm betting your lawyer could argue that the logs/footage are not admissible.
He was cool and calm but check the state and town websites for drone rules. We need to stop depending on apps. Take accountability for your misinformation.
Some rivers in Michigan have a similar restriction. You have to get a permit to use the boat launch areas. But not to use the river. If you own property or have another way to access the river you don't need a permit to be on the river. The Pere Marquette river near the Baldwin area for example. And then the restriction only runs Memorial day to Labor day I believe.
Every piece of national land is the property of the taxpayers. That the government makes it off limits for the taxpayers is a double insult. But we can show them we can just simply stop paying taxes.
I flew my drone at Nanakuli Beach in Oahu. I couldn't really find any other places to fly that didn't have a "No Drone Zone" sign. Most Oregon State Parks allow drones while Washington State Parks either require a permit or don't allow them at all. I got some pretty nice aerial footage with my Phantom 2 H3-3D GoPro Hero 3 Black+ at the Santa Monica Pier when that zone was just a "warning" zone. Now it's an authorization zone and I think the max you can fly is 50-100 feet. They really need to pick their battles better. Drones are much more reliable and idiot proof than they used to be. Perhaps they should make an exception an allow drones under 250 grams to be flown.
If ANYONE EVER interferes during your flight tell them they are endangering the safety of your flight in violation of FAA regulations and federal law. Record everything then report them for interfering with the pilot in command.
As some states, cities, and other governmental land owners prohibit landing and take-offs from their property, just google the location before you fly to check out the regulations for that site.
That area he was flying in also has a huge military training grounds that is located on one side of the saddle between the two volcanoes. There is helicopters and jets flying in and out of it and some carrying & dropping live ordinances
Why wouldn’t you inquire about any land use restrictions being in place in the particular spot in which you would like to fly, before assuming that there are restrictions?
@@airadaimagery692 no need to assume. No posted sign saying otherwise means its ok atleast in any judges eyes. The issue is how many pilots will take that far.
Same as the mainland...5 miles around airports, and there are a few hospitals with helipads and at least one heliport on the Big Island as well as national parks. Part of the problem is there is not a whole lot of signage on the Big Island. As was said you can ask permission and I don't know what the fees are.
DJI should make a option to emergency land in a location you select on screen. Then take off when you need it to. Like it goes into sleep mode until you say return to remote. To protect the pilot from not just uneducated cops but also crazy people that can cause A lot of damage to it.
I work under the assumption that wherever I want to fly in order to capture some beautiful video footage, there will be some Karen or official who doesn't want me to fly a drone. I therefore do a reconnaissance of the area to find a vantage point which is not likely to be visible to said Karen or official, then fly my drone from that spot. My idea is that if they cannot find me then they cannot tell me off for flying a drone in the airspace over the land they administer. This gets around the issue of taking off and landing from 'their' property. The waypoint mission system is ideal for a quick 'in and out' covert mission. By the time some busybody has followed my drone to its last waypoint, I will have pressed the RTH button to bring it back 2km to where I'm situated. 😆
We that fly drones...are viewed like Skateboarders and Snowboarders were at one time. This is our choice for recreation (and some of us use it in our vocation)... but cops act as though no one should have any fun, and if you do you need permission by giving "The State" revenue (permits and licenses) which has noting to do with safety. Notice that it has been a few decades since you have heard the expression "It's a Free Country isn't it?"
This is a violation of Article 242 section 18, deprivation of rights under color of law, strip the little racist of his immunity and sue his personal assets, and any cronie backing his iniquity.
Just google “Can I fly a drone over Manual Kea” and the answer seems pretty clear. And regardless of the right or wrong of it if a member of law enforcement threatens to take my drone I’m not about to get into an argument with them. Very rarely, if ever, will you win an argument with any member of law enforcement. That’s what courts are for…
I just googled flying drones in certain state parks, and the answer I got was, “Unless the local authority prohibits drone flight where you intend to fly, you can fly”. That’s not a clear answer. The problem is, there is no resource that provides straight forward information on land use restrictions in state parks. It seems as though many commentators didn’t watch the video.
@@airadaimagery692 we were specifically talking about MAUNA KEA which is a Hawaiian state park and drones are basically prohibited at all Hawaiian state parks. Unfortunately for drone pilots, especially part 107 folks, you do have to do a little actual research to make sure you are flying legally.
@@mabryatpinnacol Regardless which state park is in question, there are no resources that provide this information. And there should be, which is the point that I’m trying to make. So I don’t know what you are referring to when it comes to research? The only way to get a definitive answer about land restrictions in any state park in the United States is to contact the park directly and ask them. But then, you are dealing with park employees who may or may not be informed. In my opinion, if a park is going to implement land restrictions, that park should be responsible for making sure that information is easily accessible.
@@airadaimagery692 you seem to think I'm disagreeing with you. I'm not. Flying a drone has turned into somewhat of a pain in the ass for all of us both at the 107 level as well as recreationally and unfortunately there is no one resource that gives us all the answers. So again, you do the basic research, utilize the resources we do have and hope for the best.
I live in hawaii on the big island on the Hilo side. The entire town of Hilo is a no fly zone. The mountains and volcano national parks are no fly zones. The area that he was flying at has a military training base located right down the road. I fly drones as a hobby and also have drone pilot card. There are a few apps as well as the dji app that show that you can not fly in those areas without clearance.
In my opinion a government agency should not be able to make money with permits and should only be able to cover costs. Any fee above the cost to file a permit should not be allowed. Especially if we are talking about the use of public land.
Lived here on the Big island for 40 years , this one of the semi rangers that the telescope protesters had put around , they used to be the parking lot grifters that tried to get people to pay for free parking . They make things up as they go along . The basic rules are at State and Federal parks lands you can not fly a drone . County parks and most other places you can . Though there are a lot of drone karens in hawaii so I only fly when there are few if any people around .
My take on drone flying from land is if it ain't posted Drone flying not permitted then it won't hold up in court. Just like getting off on a parking ticket when its not posted as no parking
@12:30 The app youre talking about is GIS surveys. Basically land ownership maps showing property lines, he needs to see who owns what property so he can fly from state property/public property.
Hm. Those ranger employees need to be educated about the regulations. They do not and cannot control the airspace. Although they could say something about launching from the ground there.
He just used the wrong legal terminology… We know it’s not a NFZ but they can and do (as you point out) restrict TO & landing. And outside the park boundary is miles away
I've been "bindge-watching" your videos this morning. You're right, we need to band together to put a stop to this nonsense. Im currently involved in a spat with a property management company over flying my drone over the flooded Missouri River last June. Ill contact you through your website and include a copy of my first filing against them.
A "No Fly Zone". Well only if you give us money for a permit through us. We have a word for that that starts with a "Br" and ends in "eeeee". Best way to get anything done lol. Great video.
Ken A New Yorker flys to Hawaii the plane lands when the plane doors open he strenches out his raised hands and says in a New York accent how are ya Hawaiya .
A ranger IS NOT an officer. Especially when identifying himself as “ranger Tommy”. Now with the ever increasing flight times of drones, what about LAUNCHING outside the park and then entering the park while controlling the drone then exiting to land? You’re not “taking off or landing”.
Sorry Ken but Ranger Tom can confiscate your drone. He "might" have to answer for it later, and you will get your drone back eventually. But to say he can't isn't accurate. Like many other instances, LEOs will do what they want and let the courts sort it out. So you are better off not arguing legalities that can lead to the officer taking your drone because you simply, in his eyes, disrespected him and questioned his authority. And if you resist physically, you open yourself to a whole new set of charges. Just remain calm, read "How to win friends and influence people" later, and move on.
OUT-OF-THE-BOX-IDEA: As I understand it, state and local governments with various areas that they want restricted have to apply to the FAA, the FAA has to agree to have those places designated as such and then they are listed in the app. How about we get a friendly Congressman or Senator to introduce a law that requires state and local government agencies that wish to restrict land use (taking off and landing) to register that law with the FAA? The state would be prohibited from enforcing the law for 120 days to allow the FAA time to put that law in the app. That way, we would have ONE resource to consult anywhere in the USA to see if it is OK to fly there.
@@KenHeron Ken, I've told this story here before. In 1999 in Ohio there was no way for a private citizen to carry a concealed firearm legally. A friend approached me to form a group to get the law changed. It took 5 years to get the first permit law passed and many more years of pushing to fix problems with it. In 2021, we finally got permitless carry where anyone who can legally posses a gun can carry concealed. A recently released study done by a university/government group showed that crime has decreased in 6 of 8 of Ohio's largest cities since the 2021 law took effect. This shows that citizens can get the law changed. We faced large, well financed, nationwide opposition and still succeeded. The hardest part is gathering a group and building a platform. You and the gentleman in Michigan already have a following and a web presence. Write up a proposal for a law and start sending it around to your Congressmen and Senators. Talk it up on your videos. There is a decent chance one of your viewers knows someone who can open a door. Maybe there is a legislator (or aid) that is curious about drones. Believe me, you guys have the type of personalities to get this done. A couple of years ago the Ham radio club I belong to wanted to have a program of folks demonstrating flying drones. We found people willing to fly their drones for us, but finding a suitable location where we were sure we could do it was a real pain. And, having a centralized resource to search for restrictions would be helpful to local towns and parks. If there is one database to check to see if a location has banned drone operation, there will be fewer people unknowingly breaking their law. That fewer conflicts with law enforcement would be a win-win. I've got some more ideas for you if you are interested.
I would like to see the FAA create a license above “trust” and below 107 for “private drone pilot” trust would have to fly at CBO or FRIA’s. Private drone would allow you to fly elsewhere but not for commercial purposes. 107 would remain the same. Just like manned aviation. You can’t just take an airplane and “fly around the patch” you have to exhibit a degree of knowledge. Aviation is an unforgiving environment.
Hey Ken how are you man? I had a question about Pilot 101. Jake Sloan recommended the course. Because I have been looking for the right place. Is there a way to message each other or email about taking the course? I just wanted to ask a couple things please?
Ken,
The cop that unlawfully confiscates your drone IS NEVER going to get a stern talking to by his superior.
You were within the Mauna Kea Science Reserve owned by the State of Hawai'i and managed by the University of Hawai'i. They do not allow the launching or landing of "drones" within the Mauna Kea Science Reserve. This is a highly sensitive area packed with several research observatories. Chris did a great job interacting with the ranger. Mauna Kea is also a very important and sensitive area to Native Hawaiians.
Exactly, no drones and for good reason, and yes, I fly drones. Ranger Tommy is one of the good ones.
“Sensitive” lol
You cannot launch and land from inside a state park without permission (which can take a long time when you apply), but from outside the park, that's a different thing.
Thats what I thought ....you just can't take off or land in the park ..
@CaseyDrones he was probably in a national park. It would be hard to fly there I bet. Military bases, national monuments. National parks.
@@mattalford3932you can also fly into and out of a national park or seashore as long as you’re not taking off or landing from inside the park.
For years I flew around in the Mount Baker forest just miles from my place in Deliveranceville - Now there is a complete BAN on flying in the National Park and that is what we are dealing with.
Ryan’s our “Drone Lawyer”. I can see the billboard’s already.
“Trouble with flying your drone? Drone confrontation? Call Ryan!”
"Harassed while Flyin? Call Ryan!"
Better call Ryan 😂
Let him take your chit and then sue him
This is why The range on a drone is the most important factor to me. I've flown lots of places that you're technically not supposed to. The key is to STAY LOWKEY. Stay out of sight, find an area to take off away from people or park rangers. I usually take off and then fly from inside my car if possible. If that's not doable, just take off and get it far away as soon as you can. Then just sit down and fly and you should be good. I've flown all over Hawaii and never had issues with my strategy.
Thanks guys! Very informative. In summer of 2022 I went to Bolivia for the first time and had permission to fly everywhere for the most part. Especially the parks and reserves there. Got some great waterfall & forest footage. Ironically I'm finding it harder and harder to find cool places to fly here in NC that aren't restricted. Really annoying.
As always though.. great content! Thank You.
Government takes control of places like mountains in Hawaii, then it charges you to us it. After all, that drone thing of yours could easily smash into a lava flow and change it's course right into this very parking lot. Thank you Ranger Tomi.
Same a 5 river metro parks around dayton ,Ohio. They charge 200 a day for only commercial pilots. Claim 107.45 as the uas regulation that allows them to control all space within their park boundaries. Last I checked 107.45 only applies to FAA
@@charlesrabycr Follow the 💲💲💲. Its what makes the world go round. Pay up and magically its OK. Grease a bureaucrats palm and your good to go until another agency declares you need another "authorization". If you want'ta play you got'ta pay pilgrim.
Ranger Tommy and similar speak so confidently in their views which is scary and frustrating.
Very interesting, and that drone operator handled the situation perfectly good job. Thanks for posting.
I see a lot of pilots putting out there that they have a 107 when confronted about where they are flying. From what I understand is that when you have a 107 you are no longer a hobbyist flying a drone so those rules for hobbyist don’t apply to 107 pilots. You have more rules to follow. So unless you are making money from flying drone why would you get a 107 anyway? Just do the trust test and go fly if you really wanna do things somewhat legit. Please let me know if I am wrong?
Make sense!
I did it to get respect. To show I cared about rules and wanted to follow the rules more than the next guy. Turns out the only rule is can't fly that here.
No, part 107 does not make every flight commercial. If a part 107 holder goes out and flies for fun, the recreational exception applies.
I've flown in Hawaii (Maui) a few times without issues. I even flew in a park, and the ranger was standing right there asking me questions.
It's not somewhere in Hawaii, it's Mauna Kea, the rangers there are a bit more strict
A bit more strict, that's a nice way to say Aholes
There is a land use restriction in this particular park that Chris was standing in and flying his drone. That most likely was not the case in the park that you were flying in.
In Hawaii it’s even illegal to fly a fishing drone..😳
That is why you need a Van With a command center and then to Launches threw the Sunroof. So you can sit inside the van Unseen lol
The biggest problem with this stuff is the overlapping of jurisdictions and lack of shared data between them. I check the FAA, the state, the county, and finally any city having jurisdiction over the operation site before I launch, and recognize that authority to make or change the rules may be extended to individual park management.
I went to St Lucia last fall and when I went for a drone permit I discovered that the island is so small, it was a long ride through the mountains(not far, but there are no straight lines through mountains) to get away from the 2 airports. I left it at home.
So technically, there is no resource that provides you with information on land use restrictions in state parks, right? So the right thing to do would be to contact the park directly and ask them? Then you are dealing with park employees who might not even be familiar with such restrictions, Or, they might just take it upon themselves to create a new rule or restriction that day, despite not having any knowledge in drone rules whatsoever... This is messed up. If a state park is going to put a land use restriction in place, that information should be easily accessible to the public. Furthermore, I believe that they should also have to state the reasons for such restrictions.
Agreed.
The Ranger said he could purchase a permit from them, but he then he went on to say if you wanted a permit to just fly around and take photos and videos it wouldn't happen.
Got to say Ranger Tommy was pretty cool about the whole thing. And so were you. And that’s how it should go down. Everyone calm and go their own way.
They can absolutely take your drone but may get it back. If you refuse and are committing some form of crime (state or fed). I think the ranger was pretty decent and didn’t escalate anything.. Both parties handled situation pretty well
In California, I had a Drone Encounter. I was in a State Park. A Ranger came by and said "drones are illegal in this park." I packed up and left without arguing (I knew that was not true). I then wrote to the Park Supervisor who said correct: drones in California State Parks are up to each park supervisor to set the rules. Drones are legal in *this* park.
But right after that, they DID post no drones signs in that park because the supervisor had determined that drones might disturb a threatened bird that sometimes nests in the park. Fine with me...good rule. But the point is, every California State Park can make their own rules about that park! And Rangers are often clueless on what those rules are. Good luck.
Wow. That's messed up.
It shouldn't be up to the rangers discretion.
In Colorado, National Forest Rangers typically frown upon flying at the parking lots and trailheads. Same applies to camping and hunting within a quarter mile of the roads in the national forest. Pull offs on the side of the road are cool tho.
Chris, you handled it very gracefully and with wisdom
You know there is a cop out there in some country with 1000 drones 😂
Most likely
In Pa there are only 6 state parks that allow drones and in those six parks they have a designated take off and landing area.
This is a great idea! Unfortunately national parks in the UK don't want drones full stop. Snowdonia national park is enormous! You could stand somewhere all day and not see another person, but its still not allowed to take off of land in the park. Don't think they can stop it from the public highway though 😂
@@FPV-TV419does that depend if the ‘public highway’ is on their land? It really is a minefield?
I’m hoping to go back to Mt Snowden sometime with my digital telescope and do a panorama from the trig point.
@@TheM0JEC yea I'm not 100% sure.. but I'm assuming that as the roads are looked after by the local councils, and are public roads, that they technically aren't owned by the park. So im hoping that taking off and landing from the road/ pull in ... is not in breach of their policy. Who knows 🤷♂️
True, but what's not written anywhere is those flying locations are AMA fields, and you have to have their permission to fly. At least that's what I've experienced at one of those parks.
In the unfree state of WA there are zero state parks which allow drone flights. A special permit is required which I hear is practically impossible to obtain.
I think the drone industry needs to have drone education commercials on tv for the public. This would help to show karens, enforcement etc that we are not harming them or spying on them.
Or it would spook otherwise oblivious karens into action.
Any mountain range in HI has a high chance of being considered ancient Hawaiian burial ground, just like there beaches and protected by the state.
Great vid as always! Question about technicalities. Seems like the parks and other such places have found ways to keep us out of the air through land laws. I think I've found one that will help me get around one such law, and wanted to run it by ya. I'm a whitewater kayaker, and like running steep, boulder choked creeks, anywhere from Class III-V... it's a TON of fun in some of the most beautiful places. I live in Arkansas. Our "crown jewel" creek is inside of a Wilderness Area, which says drones cannot be operated there... BUT, in the State of Arkansas, navigable waterways fall under the jurisdiction of the Corps if Engineering... Say I was to take off and land from the deck of my kayak, or even a raft, in the water, not touching the banks... Technically, I took off from COE jurisdiction. I'm not worried about ever being caught because these places are way off the beaten path, deep in the roadless areas, super remote, and during bad weather events, not summer, more like... the last few days... but posting the video(which I want to do) would be where I could be reported. There's about four of these creeks, which are totally rain dependent, so getting a permit "60" days out would be impossible since we never know when the rain is going to fall in the right place... Thoughts?
"Sorry folks, no fun allowed, Moose up front shoulda told ya."
We need a gofundme so Ryan can get a real microphone
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Facts
One day I'll put money into a real studio. With two kids in college, that day is still a pace off.
@@RyanLatourette Your mic doesn't do your voice justice .. ✌️
Chris could be a major star in a super hero movie as some kind of God.
I love how he was safe in FAA space and ranger said... now actively break the law by landing that drone back on my property. And then the ranger referenced not taking pictures, which has nothing to do with anything.
Hey Ken,
Go to the airport, get on a plane and come visit Hawaii. You and I will fly some drones in many areas other than this spot. I have been meaning to invite you. Be sure to let me know and you'll be flying a drone while eating sushi and Hawaiian plate food. Pick you up at the airport. See you soon.
Sounds great!
On my way... 😜
This might seem simplistic, but wouldn't it be easier for all parties involved from the drone pilot to the park officers or the police if they just put up "no drone zone" signs?
They're suppose to....watch the Pilots Institute Updates episodes. But the park services always find loopholes.
@mcbikewild9243 no loophole for it in court. The question is how many pilots will take it that far.
There are signs where he flew
Nice plug for GLDC, and the MCDO, Ryan!
Here is another reason that park rangers, Rent-a-cops go out and make up rules as they want to.
One day a bunch of motorcycle guys are going to ride up to this mountain and Ranger Rick will tell them they cannot ride their Choppers on the mountain. They will give Ranger Rick a ride on their motor cycles.
If they don't want you to fly there should be signs or the software "Before You Fly" should give you clearance.
i Fly R/C Aircraft and Multi rotor Drones. There are certain Rules and Regulations, concerning where you can fly and near Airports. 400' top limit and 5 miles away from an active Airport. The same thing happened to the Guy at lake Mead.
I want to add, one more time, the *legal FACT* that we (every US citizen) have a public right to transit the airspace. This *INCLUDES* something that is logically required, that being the ability to safely enter and leave that airspace.
Included Under 49 USCS subsection 40103 is, . . . First off, a citizen's right to transit the US airspace. Only a bit further on, under the same subsection, is addressed the public right to ACCESS to that airspace.
*"Sovereignty and use of airspace*
*(a) Sovereignty and public right of transit. (1) The United States Government has exclusive sovereignty of airspace of the United States. (2) A citizen of the United States has a public right of transit through the navigable airspace."*
*"II. PUBLIC RIGHT OF TRANSIT 2. Generally . . . Legislation, whatever its purpose, that denies access to navigable airspace by local rule cannot but be regarded as plain and forbidden exertion of power . . . ; federal regulation of air navigation and air traffic is so complete that it leaves no room for local legislation which might impose different and inconsistent rules."*
In this case Ranger Tommy's (i.e. the State Park's) denial of Chris's access to the airspace is in direct conflict with the second paragraph presented above. ". . . it leaves no room for local legislation . . ." regarding access to the navigable airspace.
I sure would appreciate Ryan LaTourette addressing what actual US law states, as quoted above, regarding our US public right, as citizens, to take off and land without interference.
Seems like just yesterday we saw Chris flying his motion controller with his Avata cruising the reservoir.... ✌🏻
I really agree on the need for an app that gives you some idea of what areas are OK to take off from, and where karens are.
Drone Scanner works as well, I was in PR Christmas week, gave me flight restrictions on how long I can fly and how many feet I can go, worked pretty good.
I've heard from several people that drones are heavily unliked in Hawaii so it makes sense, and I can understand their viewpoint with much of their land sacred to Native Hawaiians. I generally stay away from any state and national park areas but the state parks you seem to usually be okay if you just stay away from the "access" areas and use the free access areas. They usually have no jurisdiction as soon as you're out of the park boundaries so that seems like the way to go from what I've gathered. I prefer more remote areas though where people leave me alone when I fly for this exact reason though.
I almost had my tinywhoop stollen! was flying in the street and kind of lost control, lost a prop and ended up in a construction site. We showed the security guard where it fell and he had the feeling he could keep the drone even after we even filmed him taking it. Had to call the cops and threaten his arrest for theft since we had it filmed. He gave it back after almost an hour of discussion. This is called envy.. people that will never be able to buy something like this or have fun with something like this at any time so they try to take your fun away for themselves.
I'v been thinking and with the war in ukrane, and Russia using the same dji drones, but modifyed, to drop granades, killing people, that the overall view people are having towards drones is becoming more and more negative the more they are used for bad things. We are going to keep seeing more and more drone confrontations.
some drone pilots are not smart, take my neighbor for instance. He would fly around at bedroom window height, hovering on the border of our yards. We had to stop him. I fly drones, and wouldnt even consider doing what he did. Some people think they can fly them anywhere, thats the more pressing issue IMO
I keep trying to tell people to NOT call what you fly a "drone". Call it a quadcopter, or multi-rotor aircraft. Or, UAV. People will be totally mystified if you call it a UAV. LOL
I do believe there is a NO DRONE FLYING sign at the entrance to the shelter by the parking lot. Now they will not let you drive up the mountain from the shelter if you have a drone. I was there 6 month ago. A number of years ago during covid times I was able to fly at the top of the mountain at 13,600ft. If you want to fly high up go to the other mountain, Mauna Loa. Its just 300ft shorter than Mauna Kea. The only thing on top is the weather station and no rangers.
For the past two years I have been serving on the Drona Advisory Committee (DAC) for the Oregon Parks and Recreation Department (OPRD). The DAC is comprised of departmental reps, reps from various recreational groups (hikers, birders, equestrians, etc.) and I am the sole representative for "recreational drone pilots" (but, I have Part 107 certification). Kenji Sugahara has been representing "commercial" drone interests and now also is the Director of the Oregon Department of Aviation. To my knowledge, this is the first state park recreational activity to be subject to a comprehensive rule-making process.
The DAC is poised to submit a set of draft rules to the Oregon Parks and Recreation Commission for review and consideration. OPRD understood from the beginning of the process that it had no jurisdiction over the airspace so the focus has been on launch/landing zones (LZ's) within OPRD properties. [I have placed multiple comments/cautionaries into the record, but the reality is much of the drone expertise input has been drowned out by the non-drone reps to the DAC.] In addition to the rules, there will be detailed maps for each of the properties. Sample maps reveal the potential of a labyrinth of LZ's. I have proposed the Department has an obligation to provide adequate notice to drone pilots of these spaces and suggested, if adopted, the maps should be posted on line much like Aloft/Air Aware so that responsible drone pilots can properly attend to the spaghetti that the department has created. ... Waiting see to what happens.
The real misfortune of Oregon has been their regression. Oregon had previous been one of the 17 states with a state preemption law that disallowed local government from creating or enforcing their own drone ordinances. That law was also applicable to Oregon state parks. Brendan Schulman had done an absolutely fantastic job of engaging with legislators to pass that law and help the state to comply with the FAA's request to stop local governments from creating a patchwork quilt of restrictions on drones that would inevitably endanger rather than protect the National Airspace. Then along came a drone attorney when Oregon parks felt they might want to create some of their own restrictions. Your "comprehensive rule-making process" that followed lead to two things... 1. Drones went from being able to freely fly in Oregon state parks (which they had done for years without incidents - I have the FOIA responses to confirm such) and 2. That inch given lead to a bazillion miles as Oregon gutted the state preemption clause and now is allowing every podunk village to impose their own patchwork quilt of regulations that is going to set up a real disaster for Oregon drone operators in the days, weeks, months, and years ahead.
@@RyanLatourette Good morning Ryan. The "rest of the story" is that the entire coastline in Oregon is in the public domain. This includes the beaches and rocky outcroppings - the whole thing ... and this area is administered by OPRD {which led to me talking my way onto the DAC since I live about 300 meters from a fantastic beach). Thus, any regs adopted by OPRD could impact the state's entire coastline for drones, RC model aircraft and, jeepers, maybe even kites (after all - kites are unmanned remotely controlled aerial devices).
The OPRD staff are good people and well-intended, but know little of the technology and notification infrastructure. Most members of the DAC are also nice well-intended people, but there has been an elitist ambient anti-drone environment ["I want my solitude" "but, what about the birdies?!" "drones will spook the horses" "drones are dangerous" etc.]
I have a number of stories from my experience on the DAC, but, right now anyway, I am focusing on just how drone pilots will have notice of the patchwork of LZ's being fashioned by OPRD staff (theoretically based on the guidelines developed by the DAC). I am also concerned OPRD administered coastal shoreline will become a regulatory mess. We have areas where driving on the beach is permitted and I live only two miles from an official launching area for Part 103 aircraft, including, of course, motorized Part 103 aircraft, where my drone could end up being constructively banned. Go figure.
One good outcome was I discovered the UAS Data on a Map showed the entire Oregon coastline with a narrow band of a NoFly zone. Digging into this, I learned the USFWS had put a "hold" on the area for the seabirds in the "rocky outcroppings" for the Oregon Islands National Wildlife Refuge ... which comprises a total of only 371 acres. But, some east coast FWS bureaucrat had, in the past, identified a band along the entire coast as restricted airspace and this information was picked by the FAA when identifying areas for the UAS Data on a Map. After multiple contacts with the FWS, this information was corrected.
I could go on - and its not over. We yet have review by the Commission, probable training for Park Rangers, working through the notification process, probably drone pilots doing stupid stuff, misapplication of the regs and, undoubtedly, litigation. 😛
So i have a friend who flies fixed wing and rotors for a private company and he said you cant restrict drones without restricting all aircraft.
If its a no fly zone, itll show for
ALL AIRCRAFT.
I really like Ken, he is awesome
Two thoughts on confiscation that I'd love to hear feedback on:
1) Would you not be able to plead the 5th when asked for the drone? Providing the drone to authorities "provide(s) information that might incriminate".
2) If an authority takes the drone unlawfully, and it goes to court, I'm betting your lawyer could argue that the logs/footage are not admissible.
What they, the parks, don’t realize that these videos would promote their area.
Absolutely.
Great Video Ken. love your stuff !
He was cool and calm but check the state and town websites for drone rules. We need to stop depending on apps. Take accountability for your misinformation.
To be fair, I've been to the visitor's center and they do have a no fly sign at the building.
The beaches are better drone flying spots
Some rivers in Michigan have a similar restriction. You have to get a permit to use the boat launch areas. But not to use the river. If you own property or have another way to access the river you don't need a permit to be on the river.
The Pere Marquette river near the Baldwin area for example. And then the restriction only runs Memorial day to Labor day I believe.
Every piece of national land is the property of the taxpayers. That the government makes it off limits for the taxpayers is a double insult. But we can show them we can just simply stop paying taxes.
How’s that working out for ya?
@@canadiangemstones7636 so far, so good.
I flew my drone at Nanakuli Beach in Oahu. I couldn't really find any other places to fly that didn't have a "No Drone Zone" sign. Most Oregon State Parks allow drones while Washington State Parks either require a permit or don't allow them at all. I got some pretty nice aerial footage with my Phantom 2 H3-3D GoPro Hero 3 Black+ at the Santa Monica Pier when that zone was just a "warning" zone. Now it's an authorization zone and I think the max you can fly is 50-100 feet. They really need to pick their battles better. Drones are much more reliable and idiot proof than they used to be. Perhaps they should make an exception an allow drones under 250 grams to be flown.
I used to fly recreationally and the FCC has totally taken the fun out of flying a drone. Good going FCC.
The whole idea is to diminish recreational flying and promote commercial big biz usage of drones. Totally monetary. 😡
FAA
If ANYONE EVER interferes during your flight tell them they are endangering the safety of your flight in violation of FAA regulations and federal law. Record everything then report them for interfering with the pilot in command.
As some states, cities, and other governmental land owners prohibit landing and take-offs from their property, just google the location before you fly to check out the regulations for that site.
That area he was flying in also has a huge military training grounds that is located on one side of the saddle between the two volcanoes. There is helicopters and jets flying in and out of it and some carrying & dropping live ordinances
Flying a drone can change lives. It has changed my life now I'm able to get out and about and see what is going on around my neighbourhood 🏴☠️🚁
Checking out Mary Lou’s 9 piece bikini are you?!
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Drones are awesome. 👍
For the love of drone my friend
Good to know. I will be in Hawaii tomorrow and I'm bringing my drone. I will fly outside the boundaries.
Have fun!
I just returned from a week in Oahu and never even took out my drone because if all the BS.
Why wouldn’t you inquire about any land use restrictions being in place in the particular spot in which you would like to fly, before assuming that there are restrictions?
@@airadaimagery692 no need to assume. No posted sign saying otherwise means its ok atleast in any judges eyes. The issue is how many pilots will take that far.
@@OpenCarryUSMC Shame...what damage would you have caused had you flown...
Same as the mainland...5 miles around airports, and there are a few hospitals with helipads and at least one heliport on the Big Island as well as national parks. Part of the problem is there is not a whole lot of signage on the Big Island. As was said you can ask permission and I don't know what the fees are.
Depends on the airport. Not all are restricted. And some you only need to maintain a flight ceiling of 400ft, without prior authorization.
U can drive dirt bikes down the st and jump the rds 75 ft long with custom ramps in la. But cant fly a drone woth out issues
DJI should make a option to emergency land in a location you select on screen. Then take off when you need it to. Like it goes into sleep mode until you say return to remote. To protect the pilot from not just uneducated cops but also crazy people that can cause A lot of damage to it.
I work under the assumption that wherever I want to fly in order to capture some beautiful video footage, there will be some Karen or official who doesn't want me to fly a drone. I therefore do a reconnaissance of the area to find a vantage point which is not likely to be visible to said Karen or official, then fly my drone from that spot. My idea is that if they cannot find me then they cannot tell me off for flying a drone in the airspace over the land they administer. This gets around the issue of taking off and landing from 'their' property. The waypoint mission system is ideal for a quick 'in and out' covert mission. By the time some busybody has followed my drone to its last waypoint, I will have pressed the RTH button to bring it back 2km to where I'm situated. 😆
You could offer the person to try out your drone. You never know where that could lead.
Lots of sensitive equipment up there along with magnetic interference. Also a lot of military flight areas.
Flying a drone over a sleeping volcano should not be a problem. As long you don't use active track.
This is why i stay in my car so people dont see me flying
We that fly drones...are viewed like Skateboarders and Snowboarders were at one time. This is our choice for recreation (and some of us use it in our vocation)... but cops act as though no one should have any fun, and if you do you need permission by giving "The State" revenue (permits and licenses) which has noting to do with safety. Notice that it has been a few decades since you have heard the expression "It's a Free Country isn't it?"
This is a violation of Article 242 section 18, deprivation of rights under color of law, strip the little racist of his immunity and sue his personal assets, and any cronie backing his iniquity.
Just google “Can I fly a drone over Manual Kea” and the answer seems pretty clear. And regardless of the right or wrong of it if a member of law enforcement threatens to take my drone I’m not about to get into an argument with them. Very rarely, if ever, will you win an argument with any member of law enforcement. That’s what courts are for…
Not in the short term. If you want to fight it long term you and a lawyer can get rich off their incorrectness funded by tax payers.
I just googled flying drones in certain state parks, and the answer I got was, “Unless the local authority prohibits drone flight where you intend to fly, you can fly”. That’s not a clear answer. The problem is, there is no resource that provides straight forward information on land use restrictions in state parks. It seems as though many commentators didn’t watch the video.
@@airadaimagery692 we were specifically talking about MAUNA KEA which is a Hawaiian state park and drones are basically prohibited at all Hawaiian state parks. Unfortunately for drone pilots, especially part 107 folks, you do have to do a little actual research to make sure you are flying legally.
@@mabryatpinnacol Regardless which state park is in question, there are no resources that provide this information. And there should be, which is the point that I’m trying to make. So I don’t know what you are referring to when it comes to research? The only way to get a definitive answer about land restrictions in any state park in the United States is to contact the park directly and ask them. But then, you are dealing with park employees who may or may not be informed. In my opinion, if a park is going to implement land restrictions, that park should be responsible for making sure that information is easily accessible.
@@airadaimagery692 you seem to think I'm disagreeing with you. I'm not. Flying a drone has turned into somewhat of a pain in the ass for all of us both at the 107 level as well as recreationally and unfortunately there is no one resource that gives us all the answers. So again, you do the basic research, utilize the resources we do have and hope for the best.
As a big fan and frequent visitor to Hawaii. Mauna Kea is mostly in National park territory
Did you even look at Air Aware before you bashed it? The area is marked and tells you about take-offs and landing.
Dang, feels like a article 1 and 4 violation.
I don’t know exactly where he was, but we were at Mauna Kea in September, and from the visitors center on up was posted as a no-fly zone.
I live in hawaii on the big island on the Hilo side. The entire town of Hilo is a no fly zone. The mountains and volcano national parks are no fly zones. The area that he was flying at has a military training base located right down the road. I fly drones as a hobby and also have drone pilot card. There are a few apps as well as the dji app that show that you can not fly in those areas without clearance.
In my opinion a government agency should not be able to make money with permits and should only be able to cover costs. Any fee above the cost to file a permit should not be allowed. Especially if we are talking about the use of public land.
Lived here on the Big island for 40 years , this one of the semi rangers that the telescope protesters had put around , they used to be the parking lot grifters that tried to get people to pay for free parking . They make things up as they go along . The basic rules are at State and Federal parks lands you can not fly a drone . County parks and most other places you can . Though there are a lot of drone karens in hawaii so I only fly when there are few if any people around .
My take on drone flying from land is if it ain't posted Drone flying not permitted then it won't hold up in court. Just like getting off on a parking ticket when its not posted as no parking
In the state of Nevada, you cannot take off from any public parking areas.
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The app youre talking about is GIS surveys. Basically land ownership maps showing property lines, he needs to see who owns what property so he can fly from state property/public property.
FAA needs to go around and correct these people. Plain and simple, the roadblocks and hoops, simply do not comply with the law as it is written.
Thank you for sharing this real life experience.
You bet!
Not everything is about race or racism! The ranger looked brown ffs
Hm. Those ranger employees need to be educated about the regulations. They do not and cannot control the airspace. Although they could say something about launching from the ground there.
He just used the wrong legal terminology… We know it’s not a NFZ but they can and do (as you point out) restrict TO & landing. And outside the park boundary is miles away
I've been "bindge-watching" your videos this morning. You're right, we need to band together to put a stop to this nonsense. Im currently involved in a spat with a property management company over flying my drone over the flooded Missouri River last June. Ill contact you through your website and include a copy of my first filing against them.
Hey thanks for watching the channel! Yes, please email me.
@@KenHeron I will. I assure you sir.
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A "No Fly Zone". Well only if you give us money for a permit through us. We have a word for that that starts with a "Br" and ends in "eeeee". Best way to get anything done lol. Great video.
So the town of Banner Elk imposed a no fly zone. If I owned property in Banner elk could I fly from my own property?
Ken A New Yorker flys to Hawaii the plane lands when the plane doors open he strenches out his raised hands and says in a New York accent how are ya Hawaiya .
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A ranger IS NOT an officer. Especially when identifying himself as “ranger Tommy”.
Now with the ever increasing flight times of drones, what about LAUNCHING outside the park and then entering the park while controlling the drone then exiting to land? You’re not “taking off or landing”.
Land use jurisdiction = launch, land, and operate from. So entering the park is operating from.
i got idea, put Sign up saying no drones without permit?
So just make the application 😊
It will be denied, I assure you.
Sorry Ken but Ranger Tom can confiscate your drone. He "might" have to answer for it later, and you will get your drone back eventually. But to say he can't isn't accurate. Like many other instances, LEOs will do what they want and let the courts sort it out. So you are better off not arguing legalities that can lead to the officer taking your drone because you simply, in his eyes, disrespected him and questioned his authority. And if you resist physically, you open yourself to a whole new set of charges. Just remain calm, read "How to win friends and influence people" later, and move on.
OUT-OF-THE-BOX-IDEA: As I understand it, state and local governments with various areas that they want restricted have to apply to the FAA, the FAA has to agree to have those places designated as such and then they are listed in the app.
How about we get a friendly Congressman or Senator to introduce a law that requires state and local government agencies that wish to restrict land use (taking off and landing) to register that law with the FAA? The state would be prohibited from enforcing the law for 120 days to allow the FAA time to put that law in the app. That way, we would have ONE resource to consult anywhere in the USA to see if it is OK to fly there.
That sounds like two logical a plan for a governmental agency to create.
@@KenHeron Ken, I've told this story here before. In 1999 in Ohio there was no way for a private citizen to carry a concealed firearm legally. A friend approached me to form a group to get the law changed. It took 5 years to get the first permit law passed and many more years of pushing to fix problems with it. In 2021, we finally got permitless carry where anyone who can legally posses a gun can carry concealed. A recently released study done by a university/government group showed that crime has decreased in 6 of 8 of Ohio's largest cities since the 2021 law took effect. This shows that citizens can get the law changed. We faced large, well financed, nationwide opposition and still succeeded.
The hardest part is gathering a group and building a platform. You and the gentleman in Michigan already have a following and a web presence. Write up a proposal for a law and start sending it around to your Congressmen and Senators. Talk it up on your videos. There is a decent chance one of your viewers knows someone who can open a door. Maybe there is a legislator (or aid) that is curious about drones. Believe me, you guys have the type of personalities to get this done.
A couple of years ago the Ham radio club I belong to wanted to have a program of folks demonstrating flying drones. We found people willing to fly their drones for us, but finding a suitable location where we were sure we could do it was a real pain. And, having a centralized resource to search for restrictions would be helpful to local towns and parks. If there is one database to check to see if a location has banned drone operation, there will be fewer people unknowingly breaking their law. That fewer conflicts with law enforcement would be a win-win.
I've got some more ideas for you if you are interested.
I would like to see the FAA create a license above “trust” and below 107 for “private drone pilot” trust would have to fly at CBO or FRIA’s. Private drone would allow you to fly elsewhere but not for commercial purposes. 107 would remain the same. Just like manned aviation. You can’t just take an airplane and “fly around the patch” you have to exhibit a degree of knowledge. Aviation is an unforgiving environment.
Hey Ken how are you man? I had a question about Pilot 101. Jake Sloan recommended the course. Because I have been looking for the right place. Is there a way to message each other or email about taking the course? I just wanted to ask a couple things please?
Joke , what did the beach say to the ocean when the tide come in "Long time no sea" 😅😂😀😅😂
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The most important thing to remember is when cops are wrong, they are never wrong! They are the ones with the guns!
It's funny how they all say, you can't fly here, except if you pay US via a Permit. It's all about money, money, money 😡