Nick, kudos for replying to so many comments. Also, kudos to the commenters for the great, constructive critique. One thing I would put in the mix is: if you ever have to ditch in a Piper, ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS get that door open and shove something in it to keep it open beforehand. It's been brought to my attention that in the Pipers, the aircraft hull WILL bend after the mains touch the water, and you'll never get the door open afterwards if it's latched shut. Additionally, the banner towing op I worked for this year told me in the event of an in-flight engine failure while cruising a busy beach, don't land on the beach; land on the water close enough to the beach that you can walk, not swim, to shore. I think that's reasonable when you know the beach is heavily occupied. There'll be tons of people who can help you and call for help. Otherwise, if it's a barren wasteland with nothing but sand, then beach it up, maybe use the wet sand to help slow down faster if the tide is going out. The commenter that mentioned spiraling down may be a good way to alert people below that something bad is happening to you, since you won't be making as much noise without that loud thing in the front working; the people at the bottom end of your glideslope won't be as cognizant of the situation if you flew in a straight line. That notion seems reasonable, so long as you watch your bank angle/airspeed in the turns. Hope you're ready for Wednesday Night's snow storm; gonna be a doosey! Think you'll miss the snow after you move to FL? (heh heh heh...)
08R Is actually right traffic just so you're aware (skyvector.com/airport/F45/North-Palm-Beach-County-General-Aviation-Airport). F45 is my home field too and I'm currently finishing up my instrument rating with Platinum Aviation (flyplatinum.com/flight-school/) , they're awesome!! Hope to see you around maybe even build some time. Good luck with the move!
Oh damn! I meant right traffic, since I flew left in the video. I'm looking forward to meeting my new community in the area, so you should definitely see me around :)
Friendly Skies Film the flight school I'm looking at says people usually do 45hours instructed time in the air 10-20hours of ground and 5-15hours solo is that normal also should I do part 61 or part 141
This is giving me flashbacks to my checkride this last Wednesday. I passed, but it was a reminder of how much more I still have to learn about emergency procedures for each airplane I may fly.
Taking off on a hot Summer day with full fuel and full seats at a very high elevation with high trees at the end of the runway can make for an interesting flight. Happened to me in Big Bear, CA. Ended up finally getting climb after a few minutes of uncertainty, but it wasn't a simulation, just a real life thrill-ride
It's an interesting debate between head trackers and VR headsets. VR is great for the home simmer who knows his control setup, but literally impossible for flight schools.
Personally I'd rather have some Saitek hardware that I can physically look at and touch and just have some nice big screens with track IR. Not to mention I think VR would give me a huge headache after 15 mins.
TrackIR is great but the implementation in X-Plane is disgusting! Would love to hear comments from others with TiR & X-plane and how the implementation compares to other sims. The only comparison i have is Digital Combat Simulator where TiR works just about perfectly out of the box.
As usual, great video. I use P3D V4 but have never tried the failure options, will have to do that. Also the Track IR seems like a handy add-on for flight sim.
That looked like a lot of educative and actually useful fun! A good thing to do in winter when the weather isn’t great. Yeah would love to hear or look at some of the gizmos you have for your flight sim, that would be a good video.
Thats why sims are invaluable! You can test things you’d normally never do. Things do happen in flight so its good to stay current with emergency procedures. Next time you’re down will have to grab lunch
Ugh, I was supposed to be there for a month moving into my house this week, but a bunch of old permitting issues with the previous owner surfaced. I will be there for Sun N Fun, though! Thanks for the offer :)
That's pretty good! Now that you said that, my flip is going to be 10 years old this coming summer. I replaced the first one, but bought the exact same phone on eBay to replace it. People say I'm stubborn. :D
omg I understand that so much... Especially in phone technology. Don't feel bad. You just like technology from a time when user interfaces made sense... Get ready for the swiping and gesture epidemic if you ever upgrade. I hate it... haha
I'm just glad real pilots have time for a simulator, more than a game, that fills the gap. Just maybe a simulation would prepare you mentally for when the real thing happens! You should do a video, flying a real route, and in the insert clip, the simulated of the real flight. The viewer get to see the real and simulated in real time added together in the same video. That would just be awesome!
THAT. WAS. AWESOME! From a Civil Air Patrol Safety Officer: 1. THANK YOU for the advice about the impossible turn. I curse the day this was taught because now if gives pilots a delay in reaction and planning as they decide what action to take. Think about it; single engine failures on take off makes you commit to choosing a landing spot, but in twins, now you have a decision to make. Tick, tick...boom. 2. You have GOT to tell me what software and hardware you're using, and that VR type connection with the hat - MS FS X is what I have, and I think my system may be a bit weak...I get snap shots instead of streaming video. And, I can never get he eye view squared away at straight ahead again after looking out the sides. I have the Pro Flight yoke, pedals and throttle quadrant, but I frankly LUST after that hat thingie, and your set up. HELP ME OBI WAN!
Sadly, even a liquid nitrogen cooled super computer will never get you fluid visuals with any flight simulator today... they're just too poorly optimized, but FSX is definitely the worst. One quick tip to solve one of your problems for free, though, you can assign a joystick button to recenter your view. That's what I do when I'm not using TrackIR. Hope that helps :)
Friendly Skies Film the optimum bank angle for a turn back to the field is 45 degrees to minimize energy loss. Give that a try next time, we do this at 200’ AGL in the glider. For powered I think the turn radius dictates something like 800’ AGL, but you must always have the mentality of being “locked and loaded” to instantly start that hard turn the moment you pass 800 (or in our case 200’). We verbally call out on every take off “200’ I can turn back”. I’m surprise powered guys don’t implement this common practice. You should fly with your professor at WPI at the glider club if you’re still in that area. He seemed like a cool dude.
I enjoyed this one! I guess like all the other ones lol. Keep us posted on the Florida move.. I would be interested in seeing you have an engine failure on take off at different altitudes and seeing what altitude you can make it back to the airport on the simulator. Have a happy new year.. Quick sidenote I got my private pilot license three weeks ago!
Friendly Skies Film Thank You!! I enjoy all your flight sim videos.. keep up the variety! Makes me come back for more.. You are humble and very relatable.. You and stevo are my favorite aviation channels!
How about simulating loss of control surfaces, like aileron(s), elevator, or both? stevo1kinevo flew a simulator where all he had was the trim wheel for elevator; that was an interesting one.
Someone needs to fire your mechanic ;). A great video. Whilst Sim can't beat the real thing, touch drills in the air just don't provide the same urgency a "real" situation in a Sim can provide
I had an oil galley plug spring loose behind the prop spinner and totally covered my windshield. So much so, that I had to look out of the side window to land. I made it back to my home airport before the engine quit, oil was virtually empty. Happened earlier this summer.
I fly out off F45 in a Cessna 172. The airport is full of really nice people and in top notch condition. It would be a joy meeting you and show you around the area.
Hey Alex, I'm still around the area for another week or so, would you be available to meet up at F45 sometime to show me around? I know you technically didn't offer, so please don't feel any obligation. I'm just trying to make as many connections on the field as possible.
Do you have a link to or list of virtual equipment u use for practice? Which simulator, accessories etc? Maybe a fix a plane mechanic simulator aswell?
Just out of curiosity, have you ever tried to mount your stick and throttle in a position closer to where the real aircraft controls would be in relation to your body? I was doing my training in a Samba XL which has a stick between the knees and when I moved my Warthog to that position I found it made a huge improvement in my flying, both simulated and real, since I could practice making motions with my wrist instead of my whole arm. It even made a difference in my flying with a yoke aircraft (Cherokee 180) since my wrist angle was up instead of down relative to my forearm.
Glad you thought so. I always feel a little like a sellout uploading simulator videos, but I think they can really be an important feature in training.
Hey Nick. I love your videos! Very informative and professional. I am wondering what you feel is the best set up for a simulator. I think I’m looking for a good entry level yoke, pedals and software. Thanks in advance!
Okay I really want to know, what is that airplane ✈️ trophy 🏆 you have? I saw it throughout the video and I am super curious? Also great flying, those procedures are always good to practice on the sim and you did a great job!
I recall the single engine pipers I flew 40 years ago had a black panel, this one looks much more clean. Where did you get this aircraft for FSX? Thank you for another video.
At least in FL I've seen several aircraft successfully land on the beach and taxi away with zero damages, but I'm sure it varies infinitely by beach type. Hope you're doing well, sir :)
Shouldn't it be Full Throttle - Then Mixture Idle/Cutoff. To burn off the remaining fuel within the lines and engine? Also your POH should have an Airspeed for engine fire incombustibility so the immmedite action should be pitch for that speed to extinguish the fire. Then pitch for best glide.
I've heard the full throttle thing in these comments quite a bit, though I've never seen it on a checklist. Seems like a good idea, though. I can't think of anyway it could hurt you. As for a speed, most checklists I've seen say to pitch for Vne to put out the fire. Maybe your checklists are all just newer and next level compared to what I'm used to.
You should really try X-Plane it smashes P3D out of the park when it comes to VFR due to freeware addons such as ortho4xp that put satellite imagery into the sim which makes it look exactly like real life. The quality of GA aircraft is very good too
Given the overall high level of technical knowledge you typically display, I am amazed at your surprise at the engine seizing up when you lost oil. "Why is he looking at a checklist? That engine will probably quit before he touches down!" Was my immediate thought. I'm certain the low oil pressure/high oil temp scenario was covered in your training. Pretty much a classic. The oil on the window is a better sign of that about to happen than we might usually get.
I was surprised p3d actually went that far, given that the rest of their failure tech is pretty dodgy, not that an oil leak would produce these results in real life.
Not being argumentative, just curious of diffetent views. My instructor taught me to pitch down and do a left spiral at a 45 degree bank. This moves the flames and smoke away from the left side of the cockpit and the increased airspeed may put out the fire. Also to shut off the fuel valve and MAXIMUM throttle to use up any fuel in the lines. Getting the fire out is first priority to landing. How were you taught?
Sounds totally reasonable. I've heard several debates on the spiral. I just did what it says in the checklist. I would be interested to see if your theory actually gets the smoke away from the window, which would obviously be a good thing. The argument I usually hear against the spiral emergency descent is that now you're also maintaining a steep bank while the world is spinning around you and the ground it coming up, and you can't see, AND you're still on fire. Jury's out for me, but that's why I make these videos. I learn so much from the comment section.
Friendly Skies Film Wow. Quick response. I think I'll research this topic. But if you can keep smoke and flames from entering the cockpit before you try to land, that would seem reasonable. Hehe.
Yeah, no kidding! I'm just trying to picture the physics of it, with the oncoming air, versus how your plane has to react to the centripetal forces. It's a very interesting question!
Friendly Skies Film So my POH says nothing about a spiral descent. It does say to close the heating the fuel selector set the throttle to full power switch off the Magneto's and ignition switch off electrical fuel pumps choose a landing area and perform emergency landing as usual
Luckily, an actual fire in flight is pretty rare. Some of the other failures in this video, not so much, I'm afraid. You should have known better than that from the thumbnail, though. That water would be frozen if it was near me right now ;)
Friendly Skies Film I keep forgetting where you are... I also noticed something... Wrong.. when you had the engine failure, you went to the 3rd person view, and the prop wasn't moving, then you said "There's that stretch or road right there, it's tempting.." Then you went back to the cockpit view, and the prop was rotating again...
Yeah, that's a limitation of the prepar3d instant replay feature. Anytime the engine failure flag was set to true in the replay, it just had the thing stopped. What was really neat, though, is that it won't stop spinning because of the windmill effect when the engine simply stops, but when we ran out of oil, it actually ceased the engine. Neat.
Riddle is a magical place for pilots that I have to keep myself away from! It's like a black hole! I hope you really enjoy your time there. At least from what I've seen, women pilots will be treated like royalty because you're so few and far between in the industry :)
Friendly Skies Film thanks for replying! I’ll also be doing online vet school because I hope to be a flying vet! And flying back and forth between palm beach and Tampa so I can volunteer at Big Cat Rescue!
Haha, stop temping me. I'm looking for flying opportunities near PBI and I LOVE cats. There are some animal rescue operations in the Caribbean I'm really hoping to get involved with too. One of my friends and I are contemplating buying a Caravan pretty much exclusively for charity-type ops. Fun Fact, my old hangar neighbor at Worcester was a vet, and she would fly cats between her practices in an M20.
I don't think my love of cats has come up on this channel before... you now know a secret about me that only my friends do. If you do find flying opportunities involving cats in FL, please do get in touch. Those are like two of the best things in life! XD
Hahaha, if you think so sure. Great video by the way. I'm 13 and really want to become a commercial pilot when I'm older. Your videos are very informal and extremely entertaining.
Always glad when I can give something inspiring to watch. I feel like I've been failing at that recently, but I'm not going flying right now....... The windchill factor at my airport last night was -50F.
I’m not really in favor of the impossible turn either, but I will say that you’re not doing it justice. If you were really going to do it, it’s not like a normal turn at all. The trick is to get the plane turned around as quickly as possible so that all altitude can be spent in the right direction. To perform the 180 as quickly as possible, a 80-85 degree turn is usually necessary. Or land strait ahead, but if there’s nothing but trees in front of you, don’t think it’s a DPE steep turn.
Surad Mister went to a seminar at Airventure and a guy tested that out. Found that 50-60 degrees was a good margin between safety and getting turned around. Seems counterintuitive but i see the reasonings to turn that steep. He said “turn 50 degrees and pull to the buffet.”
80-85 is too much for someone not used to acro, your nose will be in the ground before you know it, especially if you've not wrapped your head around top rudder. 50-60 is what I'd expect would work best too, when gliding we maximize climb at that region of bank when thermalling.
Uh-oh. You changed your profile picture, now I have to re-learn it. I found a NASA paper ages ago that proved practically what they found mathematically, that 45 degrees will always be the optimum for any airplane. I should find it again, but I think I agree that too much bank angle is just a law of diminishing returns problem.
I changed?! Optimum seems to be a good key word there. I certainly wouldn't be comfortable or even probably capable of a 60° bank after an engine failure, especially after takeoff!
Do a vid with power off practice. I would think it will take more than 400-500 ft to do the 180 back to the airport. Most planes are 800-1000ft including the couple of second WTF moments.
I've been wanting to do that too. I think the performance of the real plane might be a little better for whatever reason. I've watched my instructor do it from 400ft, so it's at least possible, though it might be terrifying as hell.
Completing the turn without stalling is easily practiced at altitude where minimum altitude loss can be determined safely, practiced repeatedly, and then applied to setting personal minimums for that aircraft. Making it back to a runway is a different story. Pitched for Vg, most planes are going to use up a lot of ground to make that turn. Add in that we instinctively turn left even if the wind is actually from the right and we get to multiply (dependent on actual wind) the amount of ground chewed up. Now, once we've completed the turn there is likely still a bunch of distance to cover to get back to the runway -- and we're out of altitude to trade. On the other hand, if we minimize turning radius (aggressive bank angle, remain fast enough to avoid an accelerated stall but no faster, and MAKE SURE to turn INTO the wind) then we can make the turn back without covering excess ground, pitch for Vg, and get lined up. Counting on being able to do all that when we haven't practiced it and aren't expecting it would seem unwise. If it's performed fairly regularly and every takeoff is briefed as "when the engine quits above X00ft, I will..." then there's a good chance it will work out as practiced. Really I think that's the key. For myself, I know I haven't spent enough time practicing engine-out scenarios in my plane nor do I do a lot of high bank angle practice (working on instrument rating), so I have my turn-back minimum set at 1000' AGL. Anything below that and I'm giving myself 'anything I can see in my periphery while looking straight ahead' as options. Fortunately most of the fields I fly out of have undeveloped property on or near runway heading, but not all. Statistically tree top landings can be very survivable, if you approach them as a normal landing.
That flight simulator is not really that real because most of the time on real engine failures in small prop planes the engine turns off and you lose a lot altitude.
That was... the whole point of this video? The physics are all the same. Within some margin of error, what you saw here is what you would see in reality.
"most of the time on real engine failures in small prop planes the engine turns off" Most of the time in a piston engine you get a gradual loss of power and associated roughness that may or may not result in complete engine failure. In the cases where it does die suddenly (without warning) it is most often due to avoidable fuel starvation, though there are the rare exceptions like throwing a rod. It's also pretty complicated to say what is going to happen as a result. For instance, if you have a 3-axis autopilot engaged then it will hold altitude for as long as possible, so what you'll lose first is airspeed and then altitude once you run out of airspeed to trade. Let's say you lose one of four cylinders: the engine will run like crap but you may be able to maintain altitude -- with an autopilot engaged you'll see a reduction in airspeed and feel that the engine is rough, but everything else may remain normal. Or you lose one of two magnetos, the engine runs rough but you may not notice, and you'll lose some performance but whether you realize that may depend on workload. In the case of an oil leak you're going to lose oil pressure long before the engine seizes -- if you're paying attention it may be possible to be safely on the ground before that happens.
I've been REALLY thinking about getting a copy of XP11 to give a serious try recently. I've been watching their progress literally since day one, and I think it might FINALLY be caught up to ESP with all their quirks.
That's what I was thinking. I'm more wondering about the training benefits. Prepare3d was really taken on to be used for training wasn't it? So it probably has a lot of training features.
I would be interested in an test of X-Plane, IMO it's cheaper and looks better, but I have never flown an Aircraft so I can't really say how realistic it is.
I have been using p3d for a couple of years and I've also just installed X-Plane 11. Configuring the whole thing is a lot easier, and I think the flight Dynamics are absolutely amazing in xp11. I'm not a Fun Boy of one or the other I will continue to use both, but I will say this for VFR flights X-Plane 11 at the moment seems to be the way forward
Unfortunately, I screwed up when syncing the video to the screen capture in this video, so it's hard to see what it's doing. Check out some of my other simulator videos. It works with almost any game or simulator, actually.
I'm sure it is :) VR works great for home simmers who know their control layout, and can have all their supporting material in-game, but for flight schools, it's a nightmare.
Vincent Carbonara VR gives you a sense of presence and immersion. VR basically puts you inside the cockpit of the simulator, you look around and you are see the inside and exterior of the aircraft (no lag or smearing of the displays). It is also 3 dimensional, so you have a sense of depth and are aware of distance, depth and scale, which is essential in VR. The fact that people experience a fear of heights in VR show how realistic it is.
why do you have such a hard on for going for a beach... sand, water driftwood and rocks is the last thing I would go near... your over flying all these sweet, sweet roadways..
Vx is the best angle of climb, so you expend more of the engine's power climbing vs. flying forward. Just pitch for the Vx airspeed for your airplane while at maximum rated power. In a PA-28 it's down around 60kts. Hope that helps :)
Lol bye. I've been recording my adventures while I've been radio silent, so there's probably hours of content that I threaten to put together for you guys all the time. I just moved to Florida this month, and I've been focusing on my engineering pursuits more, that's all.
Couple of thoughts here, in the spirit of sharing ideas and keeping each other safe up there: 1. I wouldn't start reading checklists with a failure of any kind when I'm a mere 1000ft above the ground. No time for that. You'll be on the ground in about a minute to 90 seconds. Just fly the airplane, and do the memory items if you can. But fly the aircraft first. 2. you said your minimum for turning back to the runway is 400ft? I don't think that'll cut it. I can manage 500ft in ideal conditions, with a plenty big runway and no obstacles close by. I tried it 2 or 3 dozen times in simulators, including a Redbird MX. Let me tell you, it's no joke! You'll need to religiously maintain best glide speed a fly a well coordinated steep turns to make it. Knowing all that, my personal minimum for the real world is 800 to 1000ft. 3. This might be a controversial one. I would have gone for the Highway instead of the beach in this specific case. I'd rather risk hitting a car at a comparatively low relative speed, than beheading a dozen unsuspecting people on the beach. If you're engine is dead, nobody on the beach will hear you coming in time to get out of the way. There have been people killed in such cases (I seem to remember one instance not too long ago, maybe a couple years). When I hit a car, at least the people in it are somewhat protected. Plus, the Highway was closer.
Nick, kudos for replying to so many comments. Also, kudos to the commenters for the great, constructive critique.
One thing I would put in the mix is: if you ever have to ditch in a Piper, ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS get that door open and shove something in it to keep it open beforehand. It's been brought to my attention that in the Pipers, the aircraft hull WILL bend after the mains touch the water, and you'll never get the door open afterwards if it's latched shut. Additionally, the banner towing op I worked for this year told me in the event of an in-flight engine failure while cruising a busy beach, don't land on the beach; land on the water close enough to the beach that you can walk, not swim, to shore. I think that's reasonable when you know the beach is heavily occupied. There'll be tons of people who can help you and call for help. Otherwise, if it's a barren wasteland with nothing but sand, then beach it up, maybe use the wet sand to help slow down faster if the tide is going out. The commenter that mentioned spiraling down may be a good way to alert people below that something bad is happening to you, since you won't be making as much noise without that loud thing in the front working; the people at the bottom end of your glideslope won't be as cognizant of the situation if you flew in a straight line. That notion seems reasonable, so long as you watch your bank angle/airspeed in the turns.
Hope you're ready for Wednesday Night's snow storm; gonna be a doosey! Think you'll miss the snow after you move to FL? (heh heh heh...)
Nick, this video was fascinating. Well done. I don't think I could ever be this calm during an emergency, even in a simulator!
08R is right traffic at F45. I have a lot to learn before moving there...
What happened to 08L
08R Is actually right traffic just so you're aware (skyvector.com/airport/F45/North-Palm-Beach-County-General-Aviation-Airport). F45 is my home field too and I'm currently finishing up my instrument rating with Platinum Aviation (flyplatinum.com/flight-school/) , they're awesome!! Hope to see you around maybe even build some time. Good luck with the move!
Oh damn! I meant right traffic, since I flew left in the video. I'm looking forward to meeting my new community in the area, so you should definitely see me around :)
You have 2002, maybe? This is Prepar3d.
Friendly Skies Film the flight school I'm looking at says people usually do 45hours instructed time in the air 10-20hours of ground and 5-15hours solo is that normal also should I do part 61 or part 141
I thought it was going to be the most boring episode ever. Actually, it ended up being a very interesting and insightful one. Keep up the good work!
Excellent! I actually didn't release it last week because I wasn't happy with it. I recut it, and it just reached acceptable levels this week :P
"Crash landing on that tiny beachfront while my engine is on fire.. it's a normal landing" . Best quote of the video
At 6:50 became an extreme emergency. Your yoke disappeared! 🤤🤤
I was hoping someone would say that ;)
This is giving me flashbacks to my checkride this last Wednesday. I passed, but it was a reminder of how much more I still have to learn about emergency procedures for each airplane I may fly.
Well, luckily for you, we all do... :P Congratulations!!!
Taking off on a hot Summer day with full fuel and full seats at a very high elevation with high trees at the end of the runway can make for an interesting flight. Happened to me in Big Bear, CA. Ended up finally getting climb after a few minutes of uncertainty, but it wasn't a simulation, just a real life thrill-ride
Man, Track IR is invaluable for simming. Need to pick one up.
It's an interesting debate between head trackers and VR headsets. VR is great for the home simmer who knows his control setup, but literally impossible for flight schools.
Personally I'd rather have some Saitek hardware that I can physically look at and touch and just have some nice big screens with track IR. Not to mention I think VR would give me a huge headache after 15 mins.
TrackIR is great but the implementation in X-Plane is disgusting!
Would love to hear comments from others with TiR & X-plane and how the implementation compares to other sims.
The only comparison i have is Digital Combat Simulator where TiR works just about perfectly out of the box.
I have spent many years with TrackIR and loved it, but I haven't touched it since I got an Oculus Rift about a year ago. XPlane in VR is my goto now.
Great vid as always man! It seems interesting to practice failures on the sim, not to mention it's safe! Happy new year btw!
Same to you, friend! :D
As usual, great video. I use P3D V4 but have never tried the failure options, will have to do that.
Also the Track IR seems like a handy add-on for flight sim.
Excellent video! Can i get the repaint of the interior and the cockpit of your aircraft please? Cant live without this anymore! Please please please!
This is great. Your videos have been a great help. Hope you create more in future
That looked like a lot of educative and actually useful fun! A good thing to do in winter when the weather isn’t great. Yeah would love to hear or look at some of the gizmos you have for your flight sim, that would be a good video.
Yup. It's -10° right now :P
Great video! Keep the simulator videos coming.
Glad you enjoyed :)
Great video man simming truly can be so valuable. Congrats on the future move to Florida!
By the way you may want to check out the a2a Cherokee, fantastic airplane just like the real world plane
5:05 climbing out of 2,500 you should have enough altitude to make the turn back to the airport.
Depends on the wind and your climb rate, but good point. You should always check. Using a nearest airport feature on a GPS is always a good idea too.
Very fun and informative video, Nick. I would like more of these. Thanks!
Thanks for the feedback! :)
Thats why sims are invaluable! You can test things you’d normally never do. Things do happen in flight so its good to stay current with emergency procedures. Next time you’re down will have to grab lunch
Ugh, I was supposed to be there for a month moving into my house this week, but a bunch of old permitting issues with the previous owner surfaced. I will be there for Sun N Fun, though! Thanks for the offer :)
Friendly Skies Film yeah cant wait!
Amazing graphics on that system! I need to get one of those. Thanks for sharing, and have a Happy New Year. :)
They should be so much better by now... It's 2018 and I haven't had to upgrade my processor in 5 years....
I can imagine! I'm not much of a tech guy, so I'm behind on all this stuff. I'm one of the last people on Earth with a flip phone, LOL. :D
I was close! I had an original iPhone 4 for 10 year! XD
That's pretty good! Now that you said that, my flip is going to be 10 years old this coming summer. I replaced the first one, but bought the exact same phone on eBay to replace it. People say I'm stubborn. :D
omg I understand that so much... Especially in phone technology. Don't feel bad. You just like technology from a time when user interfaces made sense... Get ready for the swiping and gesture epidemic if you ever upgrade. I hate it... haha
Thanks Nick! This made my day! Simulator is more than a Game...
Always glad when I can make people's day :D
I'm just glad real pilots have time for a simulator, more than a game, that fills the gap. Just maybe a simulation would prepare you mentally for when the real thing happens! You should do a video, flying a real route, and in the insert clip, the simulated of the real flight. The viewer get to see the real and simulated in real time added together in the same video. That would just be awesome!
Nice, what you also should do is a slip to angle the fire and smoke away.
Aouch P3D looks old npw, you should upgrade to MSFS2020 or XP12 soon 😉 nice to see you staying current and proficient!
THAT. WAS. AWESOME!
From a Civil Air Patrol Safety Officer:
1. THANK YOU for the advice about the impossible turn. I curse the day this was taught because now if gives pilots a delay in reaction and planning as they decide what action to take. Think about it; single engine failures on take off makes you commit to choosing a landing spot, but in twins, now you have a decision to make. Tick, tick...boom.
2. You have GOT to tell me what software and hardware you're using, and that VR type connection with the hat - MS FS X is what I have, and I think my system may be a bit weak...I get snap shots instead of streaming video. And, I can never get he eye view squared away at straight ahead again after looking out the sides. I have the Pro Flight yoke, pedals and throttle quadrant, but I frankly LUST after that hat thingie, and your set up. HELP ME OBI WAN!
Sadly, even a liquid nitrogen cooled super computer will never get you fluid visuals with any flight simulator today... they're just too poorly optimized, but FSX is definitely the worst. One quick tip to solve one of your problems for free, though, you can assign a joystick button to recenter your view. That's what I do when I'm not using TrackIR. Hope that helps :)
Friendly Skies Film the optimum bank angle for a turn back to the field is 45 degrees to minimize energy loss. Give that a try next time, we do this at 200’ AGL in the glider. For powered I think the turn radius dictates something like 800’ AGL, but you must always have the mentality of being “locked and loaded” to instantly start that hard turn the moment you pass 800 (or in our case 200’). We verbally call out on every take off “200’ I can turn back”. I’m surprise powered guys don’t implement this common practice. You should fly with your professor at WPI at the glider club if you’re still in that area. He seemed like a cool dude.
Could you try to do a negative G half loop please at 300 feet and then wing it back over for a correct attitude landing.
this was amazing, very helpful. thank you!
Glad you enjoyed :)
Please make more of these, I watched your VFR to IMC video five times
Noted! :)
Nice Video!
Really helps if you never had an emergency case before, thank you
That's the hope :)
this is great ! looks like a lot of fun!
I enjoyed this one! I guess like all the other ones lol. Keep us posted on the Florida move.. I would be interested in seeing you have an engine failure on take off at different altitudes and seeing what altitude you can make it back to the airport on the simulator. Have a happy new year.. Quick sidenote I got my private pilot license three weeks ago!
Congratulations!!! :D I've always wanted to do that test too, so you'll probably see that at some point.
Friendly Skies Film Thank You!! I enjoy all your flight sim videos.. keep up the variety! Makes me come back for more.. You are humble and very relatable.. You and stevo are my favorite aviation channels!
Great video! Liked and subscribed!
How about simulating loss of control surfaces, like aileron(s), elevator, or both? stevo1kinevo flew a simulator where all he had was the trim wheel for elevator; that was an interesting one.
One of my favorite videos of his, actually. I think his reactions speak to how immersive a simulator can be.
Great video like always!! Thanks i learn a lot from your stuff!!
Glad you thought so :)
Someone needs to fire your mechanic ;). A great video. Whilst Sim can't beat the real thing, touch drills in the air just don't provide the same urgency a "real" situation in a Sim can provide
Hahaha, well said ;)
I had an oil galley plug spring loose behind the prop spinner and totally covered my windshield. So much so, that I had to look out of the side window to land. I made it back to my home airport before the engine quit, oil was virtually empty. Happened earlier this summer.
Congratulations!! Greg work!
I fly out off F45 in a Cessna 172. The airport is full of really nice people and in top notch condition. It would be a joy meeting you and show you around the area.
btw if you're looking for a flight school I strongly recommend Fly Platinum, they're simply the best.
I'll definitely be looking for a tour around the field in the coming months, so shoot me an email if you're volunteering ;)
Will do and welcome to area of West Palm
Thanks, mate :)
Hey Alex, I'm still around the area for another week or so, would you be available to meet up at F45 sometime to show me around? I know you technically didn't offer, so please don't feel any obligation. I'm just trying to make as many connections on the field as possible.
Do you have a link to or list of virtual equipment u use for practice? Which simulator, accessories etc?
Maybe a fix a plane mechanic simulator aswell?
Just out of curiosity, have you ever tried to mount your stick and throttle in a position closer to where the real aircraft controls would be in relation to your body? I was doing my training in a Samba XL which has a stick between the knees and when I moved my Warthog to that position I found it made a huge improvement in my flying, both simulated and real, since I could practice making motions with my wrist instead of my whole arm. It even made a difference in my flying with a yoke aircraft (Cherokee 180) since my wrist angle was up instead of down relative to my forearm.
Great video as always ! :)
Glad you thought so. I always feel a little like a sellout uploading simulator videos, but I think they can really be an important feature in training.
Friendly Skies Film I think The last failure was really a good example!
Me too. I hope people get that far into it.
Very cool and collected for someone who is going to die in 3.2.1.
Have you tried A2A airplanes ? Those addons live and breathe, most realistic ga planes for p3d.
Great video just like the rest! I fly in Biddeford Maine kb19 have you been before?? Great place, I got my private in 2017 come visit!
I have not, but I've probably heard you on the radio! :)
this is actaually a pretty fun idea. im gonna try it on FSX
Good luck ;)
Hey Nick. I love your videos! Very informative and professional. I am wondering what you feel is the best set up for a simulator. I think I’m looking for a good entry level yoke, pedals and software. Thanks in advance!
What happened to this guy. Hope he’s ok. Hasn’t posted in 5 years.
Okay I really want to know, what is that airplane ✈️ trophy 🏆 you have? I saw it throughout the video and I am super curious? Also great flying, those procedures are always good to practice on the sim and you did a great job!
Thank you! Ta-da! : th-cam.com/video/3Ym19OgM1Kk/w-d-xo.html
I recall the single engine pipers I flew 40 years ago had a black panel, this one looks much more clean. Where did you get this aircraft for FSX? Thank you for another video.
Ours used to be brown before we had the interior redone. So much better looking. It's a heavily modified version of the Carenado Archer.
Thank you.
give vr in x-plane 11 a try with the oculus, you'll never go back to flat screen
If you were landing on the beach wouldnt you just want to try to land on water?
At least in FL I've seen several aircraft successfully land on the beach and taxi away with zero damages, but I'm sure it varies infinitely by beach type. Hope you're doing well, sir :)
It seems to me that getting a bit wet isnt the worst thing that could happen when your engine is on fire🤔
Did you get new hardware? Sim looks great. Good training!
Nope, same old, same old, from about 5 years ago. We're really made so little progress on new hardware since then.
Shouldn't it be Full Throttle - Then Mixture Idle/Cutoff. To burn off the remaining fuel within the lines and engine? Also your POH should have an Airspeed for engine fire incombustibility so the immmedite action should be pitch for that speed to extinguish the fire. Then pitch for best glide.
I've heard the full throttle thing in these comments quite a bit, though I've never seen it on a checklist. Seems like a good idea, though. I can't think of anyway it could hurt you. As for a speed, most checklists I've seen say to pitch for Vne to put out the fire. Maybe your checklists are all just newer and next level compared to what I'm used to.
You should really try X-Plane it smashes P3D out of the park when it comes to VFR due to freeware addons such as ortho4xp that put satellite imagery into the sim which makes it look exactly like real life. The quality of GA aircraft is very good too
It's always a normal landing until you need to go around and can't.
Hence why the sailplane pilots think they're better than us, haha.
They're definitely a different breed. Personally, I like to have an engine. lol
Which license u got for p3d? The professional one(the most expensive one) or what? And do u prefer p3d or xplane for realistic physics
Great video Nick! What flight sim are you using? It seems really good. Thanks in advance...
P3D
That’s it….
I’m buying this Xbox sim set up. I’m tired of being scared/terrified, because I can’t practice.
Shouldn’t he be using a yoke set up????
Given the overall high level of technical knowledge you typically display, I am amazed at your surprise at the engine seizing up when you lost oil. "Why is he looking at a checklist? That engine will probably quit before he touches down!" Was my immediate thought. I'm certain the low oil pressure/high oil temp scenario was covered in your training. Pretty much a classic. The oil on the window is a better sign of that about to happen than we might usually get.
I was surprised p3d actually went that far, given that the rest of their failure tech is pretty dodgy, not that an oil leak would produce these results in real life.
Friendly Skies Film. Whew! I was thinking thought of Florida were beginning to fry your brain!
Lol If only. It's snowing and 4° at my house again today :P
When you were losing power you said "we're in a good tank". Why not try the other one? :)
Because the fuel selector knob is broken in the Carenado PA-28 ;)
lol good reason. Always something not working with Carenado…
It's realistic that way. Any airplane owner knows there is always something not working..
hahaha
Hi Nick, I like the repainted textures and VC panel colour of your carenado archer. Is there any way you can share that with us?
Email me ;)
i do not currently own a simulator or pc (have a mac): what hardware and software do you recommend?
Idea. What if controls bind can can’t be moved
That's what we call a bad day :P
Not being argumentative, just curious of diffetent views. My instructor taught me to pitch down and do a left spiral at a 45 degree bank. This moves the flames and smoke away from the left side of the cockpit and the increased airspeed may put out the fire. Also to shut off the fuel valve and MAXIMUM throttle to use up any fuel in the lines. Getting the fire out is first priority to landing. How were you taught?
Sounds totally reasonable. I've heard several debates on the spiral. I just did what it says in the checklist. I would be interested to see if your theory actually gets the smoke away from the window, which would obviously be a good thing. The argument I usually hear against the spiral emergency descent is that now you're also maintaining a steep bank while the world is spinning around you and the ground it coming up, and you can't see, AND you're still on fire. Jury's out for me, but that's why I make these videos. I learn so much from the comment section.
Friendly Skies Film Wow. Quick response. I think I'll research this topic. But if you can keep smoke and flames from entering the cockpit before you try to land, that would seem reasonable. Hehe.
Yeah, no kidding! I'm just trying to picture the physics of it, with the oncoming air, versus how your plane has to react to the centripetal forces. It's a very interesting question!
Friendly Skies Film So my POH says nothing about a spiral descent. It does say to close the heating the fuel selector set the throttle to full power switch off the Magneto's and ignition switch off electrical fuel pumps choose a landing area and perform emergency landing as usual
That's about what mine says, plus pitch for Vne to try to overwhelm the fire.
I was just wondering what is the flight sim you were using?
Great informative videos I get a lot out of them
Prepar3d 3.4
Thanks
I didn't read the title all the way, and I thought ( from the thumbnail ) that you had an engine fire in flight
Luckily, an actual fire in flight is pretty rare. Some of the other failures in this video, not so much, I'm afraid. You should have known better than that from the thumbnail, though. That water would be frozen if it was near me right now ;)
Friendly Skies Film I keep forgetting where you are... I also noticed something... Wrong.. when you had the engine failure, you went to the 3rd person view, and the prop wasn't moving, then you said "There's that stretch or road right there, it's tempting.."
Then you went back to the cockpit view, and the prop was rotating again...
Yeah, that's a limitation of the prepar3d instant replay feature. Anytime the engine failure flag was set to true in the replay, it just had the thing stopped. What was really neat, though, is that it won't stop spinning because of the windmill effect when the engine simply stops, but when we ran out of oil, it actually ceased the engine. Neat.
Are you able to share your PC specs to run the sim? GHz, RAM size?
Nope. That's classified. ;)
i7-990X (3.7Ghz Hex Core)
GTX 670Ti
12GB DDR3 1600Mhz.
I hope to start my aviation career in Palm beach at ERAU. Even though I'm a girl
Riddle is a magical place for pilots that I have to keep myself away from! It's like a black hole! I hope you really enjoy your time there. At least from what I've seen, women pilots will be treated like royalty because you're so few and far between in the industry :)
Friendly Skies Film thanks for replying! I’ll also be doing online vet school because I hope to be a flying vet! And flying back and forth between palm beach and Tampa so I can volunteer at Big Cat Rescue!
Haha, stop temping me. I'm looking for flying opportunities near PBI and I LOVE cats. There are some animal rescue operations in the Caribbean I'm really hoping to get involved with too. One of my friends and I are contemplating buying a Caravan pretty much exclusively for charity-type ops. Fun Fact, my old hangar neighbor at Worcester was a vet, and she would fly cats between her practices in an M20.
Crazy cat pilots are even rarer!
I don't think my love of cats has come up on this channel before... you now know a secret about me that only my friends do. If you do find flying opportunities involving cats in FL, please do get in touch. Those are like two of the best things in life! XD
EARLY SQUAD WHERE YOU AT!!!
Do I count?
Hahaha, if you think so sure. Great video by the way. I'm 13 and really want to become a commercial pilot when I'm older. Your videos are very informal and extremely entertaining.
Always glad when I can give something inspiring to watch. I feel like I've been failing at that recently, but I'm not going flying right now....... The windchill factor at my airport last night was -50F.
What software are you using for your flight sim?
Very cool!
What plane is that? can i have download link.
I know that you edited the virtual cockpit. What program did you use to do that?
Whats the proper trim setting for when your airplane is on fire?
down
lol
Do a aileron failure
what are you using for flight controls on your sim?
Saitek X52
is that the just flight piper warrior?
Nope, an old modified version of the Carenado archer to match my Warrior.
I’m not really in favor of the impossible turn either, but I will say that you’re not doing it justice. If you were really going to do it, it’s not like a normal turn at all. The trick is to get the plane turned around as quickly as possible so that all altitude can be spent in the right direction. To perform the 180 as quickly as possible, a 80-85 degree turn is usually necessary. Or land strait ahead, but if there’s nothing but trees in front of you, don’t think it’s a DPE steep turn.
Surad Mister went to a seminar at Airventure and a guy tested that out. Found that 50-60 degrees was a good margin between safety and getting turned around. Seems counterintuitive but i see the reasonings to turn that steep. He said “turn 50 degrees and pull to the buffet.”
80-85 is too much for someone not used to acro, your nose will be in the ground before you know it, especially if you've not wrapped your head around top rudder. 50-60 is what I'd expect would work best too, when gliding we maximize climb at that region of bank when thermalling.
Uh-oh. You changed your profile picture, now I have to re-learn it. I found a NASA paper ages ago that proved practically what they found mathematically, that 45 degrees will always be the optimum for any airplane. I should find it again, but I think I agree that too much bank angle is just a law of diminishing returns problem.
I changed?!
Optimum seems to be a good key word there. I certainly wouldn't be comfortable or even probably capable of a 60° bank after an engine failure, especially after takeoff!
I thought you did! Maybe my brain is trained on how you show up in Patreon. My bad.
What plane is that, and from where did he get it?
Heavily modified Carenado Archer to match my real Warrior.
Do a vid with power off practice. I would think it will take more than 400-500 ft to do the 180 back to the airport. Most planes are 800-1000ft including the couple of second WTF moments.
I've been wanting to do that too. I think the performance of the real plane might be a little better for whatever reason. I've watched my instructor do it from 400ft, so it's at least possible, though it might be terrifying as hell.
Completing the turn without stalling is easily practiced at altitude where minimum altitude loss can be determined safely, practiced repeatedly, and then applied to setting personal minimums for that aircraft.
Making it back to a runway is a different story. Pitched for Vg, most planes are going to use up a lot of ground to make that turn. Add in that we instinctively turn left even if the wind is actually from the right and we get to multiply (dependent on actual wind) the amount of ground chewed up. Now, once we've completed the turn there is likely still a bunch of distance to cover to get back to the runway -- and we're out of altitude to trade.
On the other hand, if we minimize turning radius (aggressive bank angle, remain fast enough to avoid an accelerated stall but no faster, and MAKE SURE to turn INTO the wind) then we can make the turn back without covering excess ground, pitch for Vg, and get lined up. Counting on being able to do all that when we haven't practiced it and aren't expecting it would seem unwise.
If it's performed fairly regularly and every takeoff is briefed as "when the engine quits above X00ft, I will..." then there's a good chance it will work out as practiced. Really I think that's the key. For myself, I know I haven't spent enough time practicing engine-out scenarios in my plane nor do I do a lot of high bank angle practice (working on instrument rating), so I have my turn-back minimum set at 1000' AGL. Anything below that and I'm giving myself 'anything I can see in my periphery while looking straight ahead' as options. Fortunately most of the fields I fly out of have undeveloped property on or near runway heading, but not all. Statistically tree top landings can be very survivable, if you approach them as a normal landing.
EXCELLENT advice as always, good sir :)
will u rsume ur channel
hello mate! great job! what airplane do you use?
It's a modified version of the Carenado Archer to match the performance and cockpit of my Warrior that's usually featured on the channel.
any chance of posting the mod?
Great video, although the timing of your mic audio/ face camera was poorly synced which was making me go insane.
Ugh! I know. I just got myself into a corner on this one. It'll be better next time.
Friendly Skies Film I can understand the nightmare editing that video
What flight stick are you using?
Saitek X52
That flight simulator is not really that real because most of the time on real engine failures in small prop planes the engine turns off and you lose a lot altitude.
That was... the whole point of this video? The physics are all the same. Within some margin of error, what you saw here is what you would see in reality.
"most of the time on real engine failures in small prop planes the engine turns off"
Most of the time in a piston engine you get a gradual loss of power and associated roughness that may or may not result in complete engine failure. In the cases where it does die suddenly (without warning) it is most often due to avoidable fuel starvation, though there are the rare exceptions like throwing a rod. It's also pretty complicated to say what is going to happen as a result. For instance, if you have a 3-axis autopilot engaged then it will hold altitude for as long as possible, so what you'll lose first is airspeed and then altitude once you run out of airspeed to trade. Let's say you lose one of four cylinders: the engine will run like crap but you may be able to maintain altitude -- with an autopilot engaged you'll see a reduction in airspeed and feel that the engine is rough, but everything else may remain normal. Or you lose one of two magnetos, the engine runs rough but you may not notice, and you'll lose some performance but whether you realize that may depend on workload. In the case of an oil leak you're going to lose oil pressure long before the engine seizes -- if you're paying attention it may be possible to be safely on the ground before that happens.
@Friendly Skies Film, when you landed on the beach when rolled off you shouldn’t just die.
"Flight" Simulator ;P
Do you have xplane 11 as well? How would you compare it to prepar3d?
I've been REALLY thinking about getting a copy of XP11 to give a serious try recently. I've been watching their progress literally since day one, and I think it might FINALLY be caught up to ESP with all their quirks.
That's what I was thinking. I'm more wondering about the training benefits. Prepare3d was really taken on to be used for training wasn't it? So it probably has a lot of training features.
I would be interested in an test of X-Plane, IMO it's cheaper and looks better, but I have never flown an Aircraft so I can't really say how realistic it is.
Like I said, I'm really dying to do it! I would just want a chance to really wrap my head around it and get some addons before showing it to you guys.
I have been using p3d for a couple of years and I've also just installed X-Plane 11. Configuring the whole thing is a lot easier, and I think the flight Dynamics are absolutely amazing in xp11.
I'm not a Fun Boy of one or the other I will continue to use both, but I will say this for VFR flights X-Plane 11 at the moment seems to be the way forward
Yo! Moving to Florida? We need to do a meet and greet!
Friendly Skies Road to Sun N Fun! See you there! Tell me where you guys want me, Killian, and 8027F, and I'll be there!
where can we get your repaint?
By asking me politely :) Shoot me an email.
Saaaarrryyy, I got excited.
No, no, you did ask politely! Just send me an email and I'll send it over :)
How is that cap working? Is it compatible with fsx?
Unfortunately, I screwed up when syncing the video to the screen capture in this video, so it's hard to see what it's doing. Check out some of my other simulator videos. It works with almost any game or simulator, actually.
Ok, thanks!
Of course :)
I fly the piper in VR on the oculus, it is 100 times better than the monitor.
I'm sure it is :) VR works great for home simmers who know their control layout, and can have all their supporting material in-game, but for flight schools, it's a nightmare.
Vincent Carbonara VR gives you a sense of presence and immersion. VR basically puts you inside the cockpit of the simulator, you look around and you are see the inside and exterior of the aircraft (no lag or smearing of the displays). It is also 3 dimensional, so you have a sense of depth and are aware of distance, depth and scale, which is essential in VR. The fact that people experience a fear of heights in VR show how realistic it is.
Game?
why do you have such a hard on for going for a beach... sand, water driftwood and rocks is the last thing I would go near... your over flying all these sweet, sweet roadways..
More on VX climb?
What would you like to know?
Friendly Skies Film like how it works and how to perform it?
Vx is the best angle of climb, so you expend more of the engine's power climbing vs. flying forward. Just pitch for the Vx airspeed for your airplane while at maximum rated power. In a PA-28 it's down around 60kts. Hope that helps :)
Try an airliner flight on the sim
Too much time spent flying the iFly and PMDG years ago ;)
Fuel selector keep on?
Broken on the Carenado PA-28 :P
ok thanks.
Is this FSX? thanks!
P3D
Friendly Skies Film it looks a lot like FSX! Thank you!
P3D, FSX, and Flight are all based on Microsoft ESP, so you're not wrong ;)
What flight sim is this?
P3D v2.4
thats xplane 11 right?
I hope you're joking :P
No, Prepar3D
I'm assuming your done with your channel as you added nothing new in almost a full year. Too bad, it was a good channel. bye.
Lol bye. I've been recording my adventures while I've been radio silent, so there's probably hours of content that I threaten to put together for you guys all the time. I just moved to Florida this month, and I've been focusing on my engineering pursuits more, that's all.
AOPA posted an article on 'engine failure on takeoff' which I've found useful. www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2002/july/pilot/engine-out
AOPA writes such good stuff. Thanks for sharing.
Couple of thoughts here, in the spirit of sharing ideas and keeping each other safe up there:
1. I wouldn't start reading checklists with a failure of any kind when I'm a mere 1000ft above the ground. No time for that. You'll be on the ground in about a minute to 90 seconds. Just fly the airplane, and do the memory items if you can. But fly the aircraft first.
2. you said your minimum for turning back to the runway is 400ft? I don't think that'll cut it. I can manage 500ft in ideal conditions, with a plenty big runway and no obstacles close by. I tried it 2 or 3 dozen times in simulators, including a Redbird MX. Let me tell you, it's no joke! You'll need to religiously maintain best glide speed a fly a well coordinated steep turns to make it. Knowing all that, my personal minimum for the real world is 800 to 1000ft.
3. This might be a controversial one. I would have gone for the Highway instead of the beach in this specific case. I'd rather risk hitting a car at a comparatively low relative speed, than beheading a dozen unsuspecting people on the beach. If you're engine is dead, nobody on the beach will hear you coming in time to get out of the way. There have been people killed in such cases (I seem to remember one instance not too long ago, maybe a couple years). When I hit a car, at least the people in it are somewhat protected. Plus, the Highway was closer.