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- Durian is the king of fruits in Asia, and demand is off the charts. Farmers in Malaysia are cashing in on the craze. And even the royal family wants in. But this growing business has come at a cost. Now, small farmers are stuck in a ruthless land battle with a big corporate and the local government.
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Durians
The only fruit that you either love unconditionally or treat it like a bio hazard
theres no middle
i hate it with a passion
not the only fruit. papaya exist & it smells like vomit. literally.
@@devonstoomuch its doesnt.. are you sure you're eating a papaya?
Durian is life
Meanwhile in germany you almost go to prison if you cut down your own trees without replacing them or "renaturate" twice as much land.
I was always interested like how would they know whether I cut down trees on my property- is there any record or smth?
@@user-zd8fe1pp2v there are extra officials watching satellite-pictures of the fields and forests... they even notice if your hay bales stay on the fieldside for too long...
And then there are way too many fuckheads coming from the cities to walk their dog and looking for something they can call the police for. Or even your own neighbours 😂
I wish i can go to germany. Salam from malaysia.
in Slovakia too
That's the opposite lol
As a Malaysian native, I like to add something in Malaysia that is not commonly understood by international viewers.
1. The land did not belong to the Raub farmers. That is clear. While they have been farming illegally for the last 30 years or so, the land authority took no action. Were they bribed? Or simply didn't care? No one knows.
2. Durian did not start out as a lucrative fruit. It had some popularity amongst the south-east asian natives, but the market really only took off when citizens from the People's Republic of China started noticing it as a rare delicacy.
3. This is Malaysia. Racial discrimination and institutional corruption applies. Majority of the Raub farmers belong to the Malaysian Chinese group with a stakehold in the highly sort after fruit, while the authorities are staffed by mostly Malaysian Malays. One ethnic group having a firm grip in a business sector has always been a contentious topic in Malaysia and has led to several racial clashes in the past (sometimes deadly).
In most western countries with a common law system (which Malaysia uses), adverse possession law would have enabled any squatters to claim ownership property if the owners did not make his/her claim over a certain period. When authorities took no action after 30 years, this law could have apply. But it didn't.
Adverse possesion law can be applied to private land if enacted. If an owner left land or property idle and govt or others used the land for a period of time exceeding the required time, without the owner claiming it... the land becomes the squatters properties. So can understand why it is not practiced in Malaysia. Normal practice is to compensate for current not future value of any value added development by long time squatters to property. In this durian land case, the squatters refused such compensation. They could be punished for trespass and breaking environmental laws but were not. The govt opted for win win situation but the aquatters want to still eat their cake. They know they cannot win in court so they use opportunistic politicians to defend them.
Setuju....agree
@@pakngah3715 if that norm...than I my self easily claim very land....
Bayar tax tanah lepastu nak claim tanah sendiri....ini lah mainan meteka yang Tak bertanggug jawab....bila kita ikut jalan lurus mcm mcm ancaman.......diorang buka tanah Haram, secara Haram, lepastu kata akan bayar tax, hujung hujung nak claim tanah sendiri, peneroka felda dah lebih berpuluh tahun usahakan tanah diorang, Geran tanah pun susah keluar( ini lagi secara legal)...inikan Pula yang buka tanah secara Haram jadah, ambil hasil ber juta juta ringgit senyap senyap...Tak bayar income tax, lepastu kantoi dul sibuk mintak hak pula....hmm, kalu ikut cara mcm ni baik Tak payah pakai undang undang, Buat mcm cowboy di US ( dahulu), pergi mana mana tanah, usahakan fan claim
That is correct. These people only play victim.
Based on the comments versus the perspective of the documentary, it sounds like the Malaysian government needs to come to some kind of agreement with the farmers, one that protects the forest and the environment without necessarily monopolizing the fruit trade for what will possibly end up being a corrupt cash grab.
repent Jesus christ is coming, repent before it's too late, Jesus loves you ;
@Penny Farsely repent Jesus christ is coming, repent before it's too late, Jesus loves you ;
malaysia not being corrupt? LOL
The Malaysian govt is immensely corrupt to the point even average Malays are hurting, and being ethically chinese/indian means double discrimination where laws justify themselves to steal land under the guise of equality but only benefits the elite.
The laws in Malaysia also actively encourage discrimination, like their bumiputera policy since their founding so it is no surprise their population of all races have been programmed with exceptional tribalism. Divide and conquer.
Corrupt government vs Corrupt people.
cutting down those durian trees hurt my spirit honestly. just knowing thats how they make everyday money i could cry for them.
Please don’t cry for them, it’s like sympathising with thieves who lost stuff they stole years ago
@@xandk4009 you don’t even understand the value of my statement. the money it was providing is second hand, the spirit of the tree is another. these fruiting trees are incredible.
@@Eugenia_Farms well okay if you only meant the trees, fine, just not the farmers. But what about the many many wild trees that were cut down when they destroyed the original rainforest to make way for the illegal farm? I think that’s way sadder
@@xandk4009 its not a game of whats more sad man its all tragic 😂 i agree
@Penny Farsely it was public land did you even watch the video?
Well practically it is indeed planted on government land . But they had indeed applied for license but the government didn't approve because the state owned company wants to be in the business . They had to sell their durian at an awfully low price under the contract . Makes sense for them to not sign the contract
Thats how demand and supply work. Monopoly always take in charge
Fking dirty gov they have
Make sense for the government to cut the trees too then 😂 , ( i dotn support cutting any tree anywhere btw ) .
The best ice-cream I ever had is Durian ice-cream. The taste is out of this world. No kidding.
It has onion flavor. I didnt enjoy it, but still remember that felling i had when i taste it
I've smelled durian ice cream, that was enough for me. 🤮
it actually the best if its not from a real durian, just artificial flavor of durian is reallu good
I hate durian ice cream, idk why but it taste terrible for me. But the ones in fruits though. Not to mention the tempoyak you can make with durians🤤
Ones with real durian? Or just synthetic flavour?
Because the latter only contains the pleasant flavours & fragrance
Here in Canada try growing anything on a national forest and see if anyone will think twice about doing the same. If anything you would be fined for the cost of the removals!
Yeah
its a good thing durian does not grow in canada...the stink of that fruit is terrible
@@dominiquedrozak3723 in you opinion
@@dominiquedrozak3723 I'm sure you'll quickly change your mind when some Asians offer you a wad of cash for your durian 😂
Except the durian trees were the forest as you could tell by watching the video. They are native to that area and by cutting them the government/ royal family deforested land. Also, totally different context.
Durians have a strong smell, but when you're used to it, you won't find it too smelly. I've went beyond the smell and actually ate it before.
Good for you
In France the most stinky cheese often taste soft, they still stinks as hell
@@aubamepierre7511 But shit is smelly and soft...It is still shit
@@mwnciboo makes only more for me 🤗
Good job
Sided journalist. The farmers illegally did the deforestation on jungle reserve lands. They had profitted millions after decades doing illegal farming. Not only they hv to pay uncollected taxes but should also pay for the penalties for deforestation of thousand years tropical rainforests.
She first mentioned 'public land' then later referred to it as 'their' land (farmers land). Absolutely ridiculous how biased this journalist was.
yeah as if malaysian government really cared about the rainforest. They sell millions of acres to the royal pahang durian group. Not to mention millions of acres of rainforest destroy to make way for palm plantations. pfft!
@@manfreds.6384
Both side are wrong and don't really care about the rainforest. The farmer took more land to expand their business and now karma is hitting back ironically. Cut down rainforest illegally, gov come cut down their tree legally. 😅
Whoever win is still a loss to nature
so the question is, will the durian plantation turn back into forest? or turn to another industrial plantation for other company?
When initially local gov gave permits to their parents to do plantation, that’s an agriculture land. And for last decades gov refused to renew their land. If gov want to take back the land for forest reserves or rejuvenate it, it’s ok. But gov take it and give to another plantation company after all the trees grownups. It’s that what we called “cronyism”
The Musang King variant is not affordable for most Malaysians with average income. The average price is around RM100 per kg. Although there are 2-3 seasons every year, I normally buy once in every few years.
I never buy it... Its too expensive... Just buy a local one
Don't buy lah...also cut all the trees also ok..too pricey for local...so tamak haloba
but affordable for the chinese who willing to pay more than rm100 per kg
This video is a prime example of “half-cooked unprofessional journalism” promoting illegal farming by empathy to the illegal farmers.
“Illegal farming”
@@vogelvogeltje yes, illegal farming
@@vogelvogeltje on illegal land, profitted for many years dude. Do they even declared taxes on it? hell no
What should be illegal is the royal family owning a private durian company and then using the state’s money and power to destroy competition. Seems like insider trading / monopoly type thing.
Anti-competition and monopoly
The irony of your statement is that it is the illegal durian farmers who monopolize the price of durian, especially the price of the Musang King.
@@hasjay5283 you have no idea what a monopoly is
@@markus_selloi these farmers are monopolising it. Obviously they arent actually a "monopoly" but its clear they have the power to control the prices. No need to be a nerd
It's called anti trust law
people be commenting like they know the sociopolitics of malaysia, im so amused
So amused, yet offer no insight 😄
- I do agree, for the most part, though. I wish I had popcorn reading most of these "discussions".
It's TH-cam comment section. Most of them do these to feel important.
Hi stupid u know politic but I know frog. Keep talking hong.
Why do the Royals wants a piece of the people's business? Aren't they rich already? So sad. Hopefully the farmers can continue their business.
What business? They occupy the land illegally. The royal don’t want anything to do with it. The local government already came out with a deal but the farmers rejected it. They monopoly the local durian market and making millions of ringgit on local land. The new media outside of Malaysia never get the fact straight because they only get it from one source. This is not the first time happened.
The royals want to make the price go up for themselves. Rich people generally want to get richer.
Stupid thinking from your.
These farmers cleared forests and planted trees in public land and claimed it was their land, now that the government is going after them they are playing victim.
@@mike4402 seems like it conveniently became "public land" after the farmers did the 20+ years of hard work to cultivate the trees.
If it really takes a whole generation to cultivate good trees, imagine if all the farmers burned/cut down the trees on there land. The government would have no chance of winning in that case but the farmers do need the income so it’s not an option.
With slavery being the alternative option, watching the whole thing burn to replenish itself for the next 20 years (while the royal family gets absolutely jack sht) is absolutely a viable option.
Nope it does not!! Need whole generation. MUSANG KING cultivar is a variety thats was researched and made with co operation with Government Agriculture. Durian trees will grow anywhere , but good ones always at hilly slopes with good rich soil.
The trees are planted on public land, not their own property, so technically, it's an illegal farm. But yeah, taking action only after 15-20 years is also questionable.
What is the point having good trees, if it built on reserve forest site. Dont be yahudi
@@iqbalrahim Bet it was confiscated and become "public land" after the farmers spent 20 years growing the trees. Speaking of which, if it takes 20 years to grow a fruit bearing tree, the royal family can just go ahead and feel free to see what they can make of the ashes for their grandchildren.
the lesson is never plant tree on someone else property.. either you will be manipulated or end up losses.. its sad but thats how the world rolls
the lesson is never plant something that takes decade to growth fruits on a leased land. Because the gov might not renew your land permit.
@@steven8148 that Land is a protective forests area not for agricultural. So you point is wrong and quite rude.
@@crazyteck99 then you proof it, those farmer able to provide proof with their expired permit. their mistake is they waited for renewal hopes. if i were them....i would starts to switch to other crops...on another new land with permits.
We are outsider and we didn't know what actually happened behind. Can you tell ? The officially stated the land belonging to Pahang Government.
@@kimlongwong2590 bcoz the gov take back those land decades ago and dont allow those farmers to renew
Malas nk tulis English, pertama sekali salah sebab tanam pokok kat tanah simpanan. Kedua, tanam banyak pokok durian macam tu, mesti la kerajaan tau, tapi mesti la ada pegawai yang kena rasuah sampai diam. Tiba2 perkara ni viral, ko rasuah la banyak mana, nak tak nak kerajaan kena amik tindakan la. Mana kerajaan nk letak muka kalau dia biar je. Mende simple. Kira baik dia potong pokok je, kalo kerajaan bawak ko pegi mahkamah, mntak kau bayar cukai bagai, tak ke mampus.
It’s an unfortunate situation, while the farmers were wrong to cultivate in public land without having paid tax or leasing/buying the land, it’s obvious due to the timing of the trees being cut the collusion between the government and royal family. A settlement will have to be reached, if the company becomes a monopoly it’s certain that these farmers are going to be pushed under their thumb and the quality of the crop is going to decline massively. Absolutely no reason why a private company should have a monopoly.
This is Malaysia corruption is abound
financing the wolf of wallstreet was that expensive .... now they need something to fill up... How did The Wolf of Wall Street get funded?
The film was alleged by the Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission (MACC) to have been financed by money stolen from the Malaysian 1Malaysia Development Berhad (1MDB
@@jessicalacasse6205 Seeing how intertwined movie financing is to corruption won’t be surprised if it’s true! Great way to launder the money.
Their cutting the tree from the rainforest permanent reserve land... And suddenly claim as their after collecting their profit sice 30 year ago? I 🤔.....
It is his fault, he should have either been Malay (the ethnicity), or paid the bribe.
no matter what happen, Durians are still expensive in the local area, it changes drastically 10 years ago
in 1960-1970s was like : 70 cents MYR per Durian
2010 below: 5-20 MYR per Durian
2015-now: 25-200 MYR per Durian
i hardly get a taste grade A durians compared 10 years ago because most of them exported. Greed does revealing
Hera in sabah u can get cheap durian rm3-8 for durian kampung....but musang king price its so fck...rm180/kg in 2017...which is the last time I ate
It Depends on what type tho there are still cheap durian but it won't taste as good
the price durian in indonesia also increase every year. actually in indonesia is easy to find durian speasily in north sumatera.
@@mahdalenasaragih1480 I’ve been to inside recently and to be honest, Indonesia durian is lacking in quality as compared to Malaysia. I hope it improves over time however
It's just the demand has increased dramatically in the past years. More people want to eat it. Nothing to do with greed.....
Those musang king durians were sold for a sky high price. And they have been profiting for decades without paying tax. I wonder how many of them are currently a millionaire? And from what I heard the government turned a blind eye when the durian farm was smaller in scale years ago. But they keep on expanding and trespassing the reserve forest more and more until it become a huge mess. They are not the victim. Stop spreading false information.
shhh dem ppl without common sense would be offended if they can understand what u said...
💯
The royal family was going to do the same shit???
Taxation is theft...
@@fernandogutemberg261 you ever walk on a sidewalk? Drive down the road? See the lights the light the roads? Thats all tax dollars. So if there was no tax, no roads? Make sense?
@2:10 - you said it was the farmers land, but previously you stated it was 'public land'.
I understand that the farmers have lost their livelihoods but that is the risk for illegally farming common / public land with permits or authorization from the local government. Even where I live I would be fined heavily for using public land for commercial purposes.
Illegal farming in forested lands is one of the leading causes of environmental degradation, biosphere loss and decreases in habitat for forest flora and fauna. Why should the illegal farming of durian for profit in a public Malaysian forest get a free pass? Simply because it has been going on for so long? What about Malaysia's responsibility for its natural habitat? I wish this video had touched on this important issue.
Sorry, Lisa, but even if those durian trees "belong" there, an agriculturally tended plot cannot compare to a natural forest. Just looking at the video you can see how completely different the areas around the harvested durian are from the surrounding unmolested forest.
@Lisa before Surgery No, of course not! I just wish they had spoken more to the complexity of the issue. The farmers are not blameless victims here.
@Lisa before Surgery Lisa, you've completely mistaken my meaning here. I'm not AGAINST the farmers and I sincerely sympathize with their plight. I'm certainly not in favor of small farming concerns being overtaken by large corporations. My comments here are SOLELY to bring attention to the issue of illegal farming in national forests. THIS issue is IMPORTANT and merited broader discussion in this video. I hope that helps clarify.
@Lisa before Surgery Lisa, I have no idea why you want to pick a fight with me, but I'll have none of it, thank you very much. I've been plain in making my case here and you've made yours. So be it.
@@osainista bruh.. Why are u wasting your time replying to her comments? The farmers planted the trees on illegal public land.. Now they want to play victim..
Hold up, "their land"? I thought you made it clear that they were growing illegally on public land
for generations 🙃
Try to act like they are innocent
Officials turned a blind eye when it was not valuable.
Nah, people who's outside from Malaysia cant even read this, even to understand this statement.
That's why the documentary itself don't even care to get the facts about the land, they just made it for the sake of "knowledge" but wrong one.
Correction videos? Nope.
@@Hunlover123601 generation of illegal farmer. Chinese? I not even shock about it.
These farmers are playing the victim. “They’ve planted the trees decades ago”, so what? They trespassed onto lands which weren’t theirs and occupied them illegally, and now they’re acting as if they’re totally innocent? They destroyed protected rainforests illegally while the government is just removing stuff that wasn’t meant to be there in the first place. Squatting on land for long enough still doesn’t make it yours. As a Malaysian, I’ve seen this on the news for a while and never felt any sympathy to these shameless crook-farmers. I’ve seen many Malaysian-Chinese vehemently defending them online, I assume just because these thieves are Mal-Chinese too, which makes them “less wrong” in their eyes. I’m Mal-Chinese too and I think they’re undoubtedly wrong, not the victims they claim to be. How pathetic.
Bak kata Papa Zola "Makan dalam"😂😂
Buat karangan ke ape ni xD
As a Malaysian local, let's stop every invasive effort to profit off of national park land, and stop both Royal Pahang Durian and the Raub farmers from coming back in. Re-naturalise the area, return it back to pre-Musang King park borders, and re-establish forests previously cut down by farmers outside of their legal lands.
We have had enough of skyrocketing durian prices locally, as rising Musang King prices has also affected prices of other durian varieties in the nation. Stop profiteering off of forest reserve lands, curtail Musang King exports out of the country, and everything will return back to normal.
As a person who has fallen in love with Malaysia and the Malay people, and as someone who first tasted durian in Malaysia and has since been hooked on to it, I am soooo sad to hear what is happening to the durian farmers there.. kudos to Mr. Chow and the small farmers for standing up for their rights. Much love from Egypt ❤️
They plant it at forest reserve 🤷🤷🤷
They are actually Chinese, not Malay. They speak Cantonese in the video.
@@jiagengliu There exist native Chinese in Malaysia too you know? People who lived and died in Malaysia besides the Bumiputra race
@@sthk1998 wow. that amazing. how come the land not becoming 'tanah cina' 😂
@@sthk1998 farmers illegally did the deforestation on jungle reserve lands
"saya tak FAHAM" who allowed them to plan in the first place?????? God knows.........since 20 years ago???
Exactly,, well, from hearsay,, these farmers normally ask permit to cultivate like few acres gov land, then by slowly years by years they will expand by fews more acres without permission... The rest is history...
Usually they just plan without permission and in 20-30 years ago nobody care about that, not even the government. If the farmer try to get the right to cultivate the land at that time then they might've gotten it and all this bullshitery wouldn't have happened
Watching the video feeling slightly bad but then reading the comments to actually see what’s happening lmaoo
Big thief versus little thieves.
@@meilinchan7314 except little thieves actually put in the work unlike the monarch sitting on their fat ass.
You need other people to think for you? Very sad.
@@Chlo-ee ???
@@reesehendricksen1871 and the little thieves enable the big thieves.. and the cycle go on, yet you guys only put the blame on the big thieves. Hiding the hand that feed the big thieves
Similar thing happened in Indonesia to Borneo/Kalimantan Orange and Cloves farmers, resulted with the collapse of the entire industry during Soeharto era. While the Orange suffered permanent demise, the Clove sector is experiencing recovery stage recently.
Will the Durian industry in Malaysia suffer similar fate?
Definitely of course. If you can live to see it
Wait. She said it wasn't their land they planted the trees on. Why should I feel bad?
This is misleading to say the least, glad most people didn't get suckered in the comment section. You get a gold star.
The farmers wanted a legal opportunity. They invested and paved the way for what is the Durian industry for Malaysia. Now the royal family is essentially monopolising on the Durian industry which was those farmers. The farmers have no options at fair play. How was it fair that now the land can be leased by one company who’s major shareholder is the Royal Family??? That’s text book corruption.
@@Chlo-ee I too would like a chance for fair play after I planted the trees on land that wasn't mine. Just because the government's a dick too doesn't make the farmers saints.
Avoiding paying taxes by planting on forest reserves, destroy ton of wildlife and costing the government millions in lost tax revenue. They aren't the little guy.
@@Chlo-ee what about all the profits they reaped for many years on illegall land?? do they pay taxes on it?? this is just dispute between rich people who want to get more dude
So business insider promoting theft as a legit thing? What many don't know is that the court order did not cover raub, but the farmers expected many not to read fully. Not only that but this is preserved land, and there is no company/royally owned company that is going to use the land for something else as the land is there to help preserve the environment, that is why you aren't allowed to just plant anything.
Why not go over the other durian farmers who weren't in raub who was actually screwed because of a company they dealt with in regards to purchasing the land long ago? Why focus on these thieves?
What I don't understand is if the trees take several years to grow why didn't the government act sooner to stop these farms if it was against the law?
@@Jomskylark money. People were being bribed, corrupted and these durians sold at highly inflated prices. When covid came the country could no longer afford corruption so those in higher up places decided to go legit. Even my mums car was towed long ago parked infront of our own house all because our neighbour worked for the municipal and didn't like us. Malaysia suffered serious corruption before.
if this is 'environmental concerns' your talking about, wouldn't CUTTING DOWN TREES, cause more of a negative impact to the environment?
the smarter thing to do would've been to control future durian farms to ensure no more farms can be created through deforestation.
the current farms should be left as is.
@@officialtechified 1) you're profitting off stuff that isn't yours. 2) farming has an environmental impact vs forest reserve
@@officialtechified that's not how it works. Destroying cash crops disincentives people from creating more illegal farms. Cutting down an acre of durian trees is better than leaving it there for someone to steal them and profit and cut down more land to plant more trees. It's the same reason why cannabis and poppy farms are burned.
Durian
to be honest yes that was heart breaking but recording to Malaysia news reporters They arent any rules saying the government cannot cut down tree at that place plus they are illegally planted and that place were once rich with native trees,yes that place was a reserve land under the pahang gov and was origanly a "Hutan Simpan"....
plus they had make million nor thousand of dollar selling and exporting durian each year so for them to not buy their own land before that is quite questionable
@@darwishsudin I think question is not of what's legal or illegal. It's about ethics, and if you have been on the land cultivating and caring for it you should have some say on what goes on in the land. I think the dude should've honestly been more vigilant and filed some kind of papers saying that he's the owner. I understand your point tho.
@@gorav9999 i mean according to locals, that was pure forest and the farmers literally cut it down to put in their illegal farms. i dont rly see people pointing that out ...
Man seeing they cleared the jungle and forest to plant the durian is more heart breaking!! Come here and see for your self.. jungle and forest are illegal cleared for this durian!! And animals has no where to go… many died as road kills
They planted it in illegal land
They're not the one popularizing Musang King variety. It got famous when Kampung Durian Runtuh make a competition on the best tasting Durian. It didn't win but get a very good PR in the event and people started loving it then.
Only legends will understand
yes. at last the truth 😭 musang king ady legend bfore them.
musang king. raja udang etc is malays farmers. same as kucing tidur. chinese famous is black thorn ( sweet bitter). other?? nope
Lel
Wow Business Insider advocating forest reserve enroachment over some inflated commodity
Well he cut reserved forest then personally claim thats his farm, no tax, you guys backing up illegal activities.
Interesting
Yeah it sets a example for others also not to do the same.
Eu try to make bad look to our country...
@@hafizullawncare7080 Malaysia memang bad look, every move from the MalaySian government projects a bad image.
Modern day thieves...ie New Era PKM
Im chinese. In a way i agree with you but you also know that we are becoming minority. The government has never been supportive to us. Im sure you know that.
"returned to their land"
bro, it is not their land. your narratives are mixed throughout entire video. they are illegal farmers farm in a reserved forest land. get your fact straight. 👎
Ha ha nice one. So the farmers were able to cultivate in the Forrest reserve for decades without the authorities knowing or taking action? After 20 years only the forest rangers managed to notice 100’s of acres of durian plantation on forest reserve land? You must be smoking the good stuff!
Let’s get real! the local authorities and the forest reps all have been collecting bribes to allow these illegal plantation to carry on. Now that the durian business has gone global, the state wants to take it over and kick the little guy out.
This is the Malaysian way. One group does all the work and another group comes in and takes over. Happens over and over again.
@@sathapalani stay here and record the real story. being outsider and carry the well know 'bribes' stories all around does not make you survivor any longer but rather being a lame excuser. Stealing, borrowing, and/or owning are all different in meaning. Accept the fact according to the status.
well, your 'take it' itself has shown the misleading understanding. The Authority drove away the farmers, cut all the durian trees (read as in 3 months or less the fruit could be harvested) and re-planting the forest trees bro!
If you use bro in every sentence it takes alot of value out of your words "bro"
@@GosH831 Your English sucks bro. I don't get what the hell are you trying to convey here. Go back to school please
@@sathapalani Spot on! Just like the issue of the Non-malay owned logistic and shipping transport companies a few months back. They have been in operation for decades and out of a sudden there was a law passed to force them to sell 51% of their ownership to bumiputera shareholders. They don't even attempt to hide the daylight robbery.
Fun fact: They banned this fruit from many picnicking & camping locals. lmaooo.
My family used to bring it along to eat while we'd go fruit-picking at orchards opened to the public. It was also quite a potent deterrent, so others would keep to their area of the orchard.
The land dispute showcased in this video seems relatively similar to the land and territories of Ancient Empires, People farming on unclaimed territory until a Stronger Power expands and claims that land. This dispute in particular sounds similar to The Russian Empire Expansion under Ivan The Terrible; Claiming lands that were previously farmed on by Native Slavs/other minorities or groups. As Mark Twain once said: *“History Doesn't Repeat Itself, but It Often Rhymes”*
These people are not necessarily "natives" and they haven't been farming there "traditionally," at most they've been using the land for 2 generations.
chinese are not natives lol
Those farmers are not the native people of Malaysia.
@@raihanahjamaludin9110 native or not cutting the trees is still kinda sketchy since the durians probably grows there naturally, the farmers are just helping to plant more of them
@@fltfathin no Musang Kings grows naturally, its a hybrid fruit. Wild durians doesnt look like that.
Don't use public land for private business.
@Miles Doyle what has this got to do with the original comment?
@@Darkened_Sol lol People like that guy have nothing better to do than flood comments with religion. Rather than commenting for free, why don't they donate to the homeless or use the money they donate to their churches, who don't have to pay taxes, and then donate it to those in need? Oh right, because that requires work. Religion = trash
The government knew about it for very long time. The farmers even applied for permit but never got a response. Once it became extremely profitable suddenly "they" want to take over the land and the trees and turn the farmers into their employees.. like wtf. When the farmers objected they decided to cut down the trees. Extremely stupid behaviour.
Business insider journalist should interviewed the state goverment too... These farmers profited from this illegal farms million... Its unfair to the rest of the ppl in that states..
The state government decline the interview as what the reporter said at the end .
Obviously, business insider are more BIAS towards this idiot's farmers...
This is exactly what happened during the great depression. Small family farms were bought up by a few large corporations, by any means necessary. This lead to a massive labour surplus flooding into California fruit farms. Food prices and wages both fall. State/greed and poor policy lead to this.
The malaysian government is missing a trick, they should charge rent to these farmers if it is on public land instead of strong-arming them into the hands of a corporation
Aren't they corrupt?
@@kordapyo612 yes, the corporation and the Malaysian government are corrupt, but that is beside the point, the fact is that they are not thinking with thier business caps on
@@edmundprice5276 but how can they convince the farmer to give the farm to them? They dont own any of those
@@bachvandals3259 Oh, the farmer owns the farm, but the farm is on the land, the land is owned by the government, so, the government says give us rent or we will find another farmer who will
@@edmundprice5276 wait... How can you own the farm without the land? ... Isnt a farm just a piece of land?
I remember when during use to be $1.99 a lb then $2.99 a lb now it's like $10 to $13 a lb
Yep they control the price.
Don't buy it, simple.
@@PEACE.- it is delicious and sweet and more amazing when you use durian for pao or dessert. It tastes like heavenly how anyone can resist that. western didn't like the smell but they forgot how to reduce it by mixing with other fruit or pao so it will less smell. Anyway western didn't learn and it is similar to them like they can't cook rice too.
Yes when people boycott durian the price goes down a lot.
Yeah thats how inflation work
Harga letak sampai tinggi dari pasaran, so rasalah apa yg korang buat
Harga itu tergantung supply & demand, ya kalau tak sanggup beli, tak usah beli lah
Story from one side party is unfair, the farmer are not legalised at the same time cultivated in land which is belongs to the state . There are always has cause and effect.
From start they doesn't paying tax because that land isn't own by the farmer.... it's reserved forest that need to be preserve, all the nature heritage were cut down without permission.
Oh please, the organisation was given opportunity to comment, they declined. A very wealthy Royal family, bureaucrats and an opportunistic cash grab. These farmers aren’t wealthy, they’re surviving any way they can. No doubt there is room for improvement but when the state won’t work with you, but actively works against you, it’s impossible.
We all know half of the durian come from outside raub. Mostly from tangkak & they bring them to raub process center to get the certification (as raub known for it durian business)
1. plant durian on state government land and the land is part of a forest reserve.
2. There is a breach of trust to protect these illegal farmers from their superiors that the locals are aware that the area has been held by the Chinese -based party (MCA/DAP) for decades.
3. if the right thing has to do with giving profit to the royal family, it is better that they do not cut down all the trees.
4. There is a case of a retired soldier farming on forest reserve land and he has already received a sentence. but this durian farmer did not admit wrong?
5. 20 years to be able to profit on sloppy land must be profitable already a lot. use the money to buy land legally and cultivate durian on your own land.
6. try to make a case like this in another country such as China. look at the punishment they will receive.
7. This report is biased. as journalists should look for material not only among these illegal farmers. go interview all the locals there.
gotta agree with 5. they had a lot of chance to go legal. but they dont. Near end of the video the guy say about how to feed wife, kids and parents. it really pissed my off. they profited so much already for "generations" 🤦🏽
The government seems to have no sense, why not simply charge rent to the farmers?
@@gazer3713 you sound like the type of person that hates rich people
@@edmundprice5276 is there any country that allows its people to rent forest reserve land?
@@HateTheIRS nahhh....she just doesn't like people who pretend to be poor when they are already making a lot of money illegally
Hahaha sampai ke sini korang report ye?
4 words to describe this video: "False content, illegal farmers"
For western people who wants to try durian for a first time. Try the one fruit that already totally ripe. The bottom of fruit already cracked open naturally. That the fruit have ice cream taste and sweetness in aroma
thanks :)
For locals they are too expensive so they settle for the cheap cheap varieties like kampung durian.
YEAH......globalisation and Gomen's incompetence at developing the economy means that a lot of stuff is often priced out.
yeah, i never ever get a taste of those musang king. Even those "cheap" varieties are costly
Are you trying to side with people that cut down forest illegally.? Area been cut is replanted with native forest tree.
This is not a “cost.” This is just humans using mafia tactics against each other. They should be jailed.
Those guy are the new government and also kings(sultan) in Malaysia. Their so corrupted and racist towards Chinese business. Not only the durian business but there are other business their try to take over. Their even want to take over 5g telecommunication service too.
It's not mentioned in the video, but the first man is not speaking Malay, he is speaking in Cantonese with a mix of Mandarin. To most Malaysians, that alone speaks volumes about why they have been treated the way they have. He is Malaysian and his parents and grandparents were likely Malaysian too when the country became independent, however systemic racism and corruption is very real in Malaysia.
Also, "Smelly fruit"? Excuse me, Insider? I believe the word is "Fragrant"!
If it was public land, why are they setting up farms on it? It's not private property, you can't do whatever you want on it, obviously.
Because it was their family's land before the land was administered. And since usually newly independent countries usually has problems with administering lands, these ones were never registered and automatically become state owned land. My great grandfather lost 1/3 of his owned lands simply because it was too difficult to register them in Indonesia. And Malaysia's corruption rate is also super high. Do you see the problem now?
@@robbieaulia6462 so if you clear the forest and live there and started farming, that land will automatically be yours? Wow so easy, no wonder we lost acres of forest reserve to human greed.
illegal durian farm lol..what worse its for generations..well its sad but here we have laws...no shit bro this channel have to investigate properly..you should ask the malay people and they story are whole different..illegal farmer has more than 100 durian trees each of them..that no small farmer there,for decade they don't pay tax.dont try to be victim here.illegal forest farming has been big issues in malaysia please investigate more
Zelda Breath of the Wild: Yeah we taught a whole bunch of people about it ...and.....
It gives 20 Extra Hearts
Many people said the government were cruel for taking back the land..but they don't know so many others squatted on government owner land (reserve) and build houses and lived there for generations.. government do have compassion when it matters
What i expected: This is how Durians gets so expensive overseas.
What i watched: Illegal farmers planting illegally gets farm cut down. Please be sad.
what you thought you saw "illegal farms that got planted illegally got mowed down, what a surprise"
what you really saw: "generations of hard work on trees, that could have been removed ages ago, have now suddenly been chopped down to force expensive and unfair contracts onto the farmers, and create a shortage so the price goes up and the government can profit harder."
Why the silence when it started 20 years ago? Legality of the farms is a weak argument.
Unsubscribed. I can’t condone your pro-forest preserve-destroying farmers narrative. These tree farmers destroyed a forest preserve to plant their own trees, illegally. And are now crying because the government got rid of their illegal farms. They should’ve been fined heavily for the damage they did to the forest!
*Get your facts right! Is the king that encourages such farmers to plant there and now evicting them for not paying their rent! So, who is destroying what again? Legally, They should seize the land and cut the trees.* why is why it is now a court case!
Yeah..they got greedy..
In their face.
@@maemilev when do the king encourage them plant illegal there?? GET YOUR FACT STRAIGHT!!
I thought the trees were planted decades ago though? Why did it take the government this long to act if it was against the law?
I'm a durian lover. Also i am into logics & facts. My views on this would be what a lost for the trees that ages well & provides such fruits or we can call it one of the main sources. But still it is the cause for neglecting laws. If it is national reserve it is theirs (to protect & preserve in the name of law) responsible to take any actions accordingly. They can make a petition for using it (contract) with permission of state regulations. As me saying all this doesn't mean i am aside with gov. Just to share my thoughts.
My biggest regret is not trying Duriam whilst I was in Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand and Indonesia. 😩
It's not popular there......its China where it started to blow up in 2014
@@jeffrey7737 it was always popular in Singapore my friend, then suddenly all the PRCs started sucking away our supply and driving up prices :(
As a side note, I'm curious to know what effect this land use had on state forest ecology.
Was it effectively reducing habitat and biodiversity, and affecting the land with erosion issues or increased water run off?
Obviously the impact would be negative, not the other way round since they destroyed the original trees and replaced it with durian tree, any forest animals trying to have a share of their precious musang king tree will be trapped and gunned down.
Lies again? Draft Kings
The issue is, they farming at illegal site and by that they didn't pay the land taxes like others does.. Good citizens pay the taxes fairly like others..
Yes, sadly they act as the victim
@@muhammadamirul7963 as usual
All they had to do was reimpose taxes or ask the farmers to pay the taxes, and not completely shut down their livelihood or threaten them to an unfair contract. Corrupt government lol
@@muhammadfaiz641 As Usual, When things become profitable then Royalty comes in .
@@muhammadamirul7963 As Usual they act like bandits. Take only .
Don’t feel bad we have idiots here in the states plant orchards and gardens on land they don’t own and then get butthurt when the government takes it all away too. Ever think about asking if you can use the land that isn’t yours first? No you didnt
I saw frozen durian in our local Korean market today. I kept moving, but will give it a try soon. Maybe.
Total outsider here, but I'm not sure what they expected. I get that they are rightfully mad for chopping those trees, but claiming it as their right to farm makes them sound entitled when they are clearly not. If the land itself was something that their government has unfairly acquired to begin with, then by all means, go after that but as it stands, does not make sense
although I do agree on the notion that their gov could've given reasonable terms or did things differently but that's in the realm of morals
Its too confusing... on one hand, the farmers are growing their crop on supposedly forest reserve, and on the other hand, anytime govt/royalty is involved, there is a good chance some shady business is also going on.
It is strange. When we see films with deforested land we get angry. But when these illegal farmers who has deforested a protected forest cry people get angry at the government who is stopping them.
Why is it ok what these thief's has done for years?
When the land belong to someone else you are considered as trespassing and that's final
It's public land... like fk, not everywhere in the world is a capitalist dystopia like the United States where all productive land has been privatized and privatizing the public commons out to private corporations is not good for any society. For example in nations like Vietnam, citizens have a legal right to pick or cultivate food stuffs on public lands as long as they aren't razing it to the ground to create an unnatural mono-culture like the Brazilians are doing to the Amazon. In many parts of the world public lands are considered a public good that citizens can access as long as they are not destroying it or preventing others from accessing it.
@@RazorSkinned86 you got it wrong, it used to be a rented permit land for farming decade ago. the gov stopped renewing their permit for decade....so it become forestry or illegal land. BUT!!!! Durian trees...takes decade to growth fruits....once you cheated by the gov to plant on a one time non renewable land....all your durian tree effort went to waste! Which why those illegal farmer are there, those tree are from their grandparents who failed to get permit renewed.
@@RazorSkinned86 if its a public land he still cant grow durian....wtf
@@steven8148 no it was said more than ones that they also planted themselves. They made the farms bigger and bigger in the middle of the forest. What do you think happened to the forest where they expanded?
It's sad that these farmers lost their livelihoods, but they were illegally growing on public lands. If they had permits to grow durian on public lands, that would be one thing, but it doesn't seem that they did.
I’m a Malaysian, & I can confirmed this article. The local farmers are forced to do unfair trades. If not done so, all the trees will be cut down, leaving none behind.
Nonsense ------------- planted the tree on illegal land that belong to the government
@@baddhs3296 okay, if is illegal why they still pay land taxes and protection. Until recently, they decided durian is a big business, they realised that have to take part. So they made an unfair contract against the farmer. Explain that?
This makes me crave durian now,i will buy later..watching this as if i smell the durian and salivate..
After government cut down the tree, they plant more jungle tree because that land origin a reserve forest... No wonder i see in my country news there are many tiger ,bear and elephant attack other farmer land and village nearer especially in kelantan, terengganu, and pahang.. especially in pahang there had tragedy cases of flood previous year. I meant it worst first time flood in that year...
Nope....royal durian pahang will plant new durian tree on the same spot.
@Nenek Cantik orang cakap pasal hutan simpan..kau tiba² cakap pasal bandar..lari jauh topik..ni pasal hutan simpan raub lol, bukan bandaraya raub
@@steven8148 wow you really are biased here.
@@steven8148 ... Pang, ko nak kena lempang ker? Where is the proof the royal will plant the durian trees
Relax guys,pang is being salty because all of his tree were cut down by gov..u should understand that he shows in every comment with same motive..
Its because they dont understand what is nature/forest reserve means..they only see money this,money that on those land..
So rich to bribe but sadly poor to buy few land to cultivate your own legal plantation..
Accept it illegal farmer like a man,dont whine
Why sympathize with thieves , who make a fortune on public owned land;
Insider change the title pls 🙄
Whenever a new food trend starts up, the indigenous people of that foods origin will likely not be able to afford to eat it anymore. Same happened with quinoa to the South American people who grew and ate it for centuries! They couldn't afford it Now, it's being grown elsewhere, the prices are coming down and *SOME* of the locals can afford to eat it again.
Apparently durian has been so profitable, it brought back serfdom.
What happened when we go to plant durian illegally in Penang ? Very fair to everybody. Don't pay tax to Penang state. Please get the true story. Why Raub can be plant illegally, should same goes to Penang too.
why wait for 30 yrs to cut the tree, they can cut it even before it reached 2 yrs old.
@@steven8148 This happen when corruption involved farmer between middle man.
@@canonboy9959 this incident is more complicated than we read on the surface, it involved generation. i think the gov is trying to give them to move after they stop renew their land permit since their grandparents times. but how to move durian tree?
That land already being gazetted as forest reserves and owned by the state government but does farmers started expending their land illegally that’s why the authority take action in restoring the land by cutting off the durian tree
........... but it would have been alright if the king had a share of the profit ?
@@darrenrobinson9347 but they did not accept the king proposal. i think the reason is in the past they had been getting ton of money so they feel they are getting less money then they usually get
Do you know this is akin to robbery by those in power ?@@TokNyangDesu
@@darrenrobinson9347 do you understand the statement above by Muhamad izz they cut a reserve forest to plant durian tree when the gov(government) already gave them a choice but they didn't accept it. the gov cut the tree and plant them back so they can not claim that the tree are theirs
"The govt cut the trees and grew them back ......." What are you trying to say ? I read in your Malaysian papers the land was leased to the farmers for cultivation. Now that they are harvesting, the royal durian corporation comes in and demand a share of the profit. Is this not robbery ? Please don't think up further excuses for free money.
He is right. The Malay government should appreciate the farmers' hard work in making durian well known across the globe.
Lmao 🤣
Very Good video...very good eknoledgment
So.... is it farm land or state land? You guys said it was public land that they were growing on. Then in the very same minute say it was their farms?
Ikr.
"""""Licensing"""""
If i paint a mural on public wall even if i dont own the wall its still my mural. I think thats how you should interpret it.
Their farm on state land, that they got by illegally converting forest reserves to durian farms while bribing state officials with durian $$$
@@casperghost9808 thats not how land ownership works
My father in law got some acres of durian orchards in malaysia. Unlike these farmers, he legally lease the land. No problem at all. Nobody went for his trees.
Never even heard of a durian fruit before today. Have to try one now!
Nice video.
interesting to me because those people are speaking cantonese
I am curious why is it interesting to you? Raub chinese are mostly cantonese and hakka. For chinese farmers there, I won't be surprised if they can converse in more dialects and mandarin.
It's not hard to see some Malaysians that could only speak Chinese dialects or Tamil in Malaysia. This is mainly attributed to the accommodation principle of the Malaysians when it comes to dealing with race.
Malay people are too kind. If they live in Indonesia & speak other languages they will be kicked out.
@@pinkyboose yeah even their names would be change to Indonesian tapi tulah Melayu baik sangat tu kena pijak
@@hongkaipun1204 malaysian but can't speak malay😂😂
I love durian. Seeing durian trees get cut down makes my blood boil because I hate paying high prices for durian.
Are you malaysian? Did you know why they're being cut down?
those durian trees are planted on goverment permanent forest reserve hence the cutting down.
@@zaki-pq1ps the age of those trees should tell you otherwise and the fact he was a big seller for how long and now out of know were cut down more then half his farm saying it was on government land or whatever if it really was and it was that big he would be in prison not oh hy sorry its government property now sorry for your unfortunate circumstances.
@@thesilentone4024 so.... after 20~30 years .. the gov finally sends some land surveyor to check on their land ?..... does tat mean.... they(the farmer/resident/local) did get 20-30 years of free land ? idk.... pls info me back . tq
@@thesilentone4024 you need to understand malaysian politics to understand this whole durian fiasco.
Durians have a truly unique flavour profile, they're described as tasting like rich vanilla custard icecream, seasoned with sweaty gym socks...
I can't imagine how that tastes.
@@arashkhoshghadamnia376 they are definitely worth trying, but yeah I'm not kidding the "king of fruit" basically tastes like birthday cake fished out of a dumpster lol
I'm yet to eat fresh Durian .
The sweets , I like , nice flavour. .
The fruit is quite 'prickly' with it's outer shell . When seen in shops it's often wrapped in plastic , and frozen - they are an expensive fruit to buy , like the Australian Mangoes .
Either way , I still like Durian , along with other odd fruits .
It's the truth but I think the information of the entire truth is insufficient.
The authorities said the RESERVED forest will be planted back with forest trees (well, I guest we will see on time).
What we should be concerned of is illegal deforestation, keep on segmenting wildlife.
And I thought Business insider is smart and professional. You do have your flaws too.
Most of western channels are mind programming against Anti-Islamic agenda in disguise or sometimes openly. Please highlight, did Mahatir Mohammad is responsible for it?
White girl voice and you expect unbiased...lol the farmers are thieves
@@sidblore7529 This wouldn't culturally appropriate to post a decade ago, the west is becoming degenerate and sympathizing with thievery and criminal behavior more every year.
So he started cultivate the land in early 2000s . Malaysia has its own goverment since 1957 . All lands must be registered . If a man could cultivated a piece of state owned land illegaly , all Malaysians could cultivated state owned lands as their own illegaly . Right ?! All Malaysians wants a free piece of land , right ?! . Business Insider must think about this . This is the State Law of Malaysia .
As a commodity, Durian is in essence a luxury item. It has minimal utility as a seasonal fruit and marginally as a spice when fermented with salt. Large scale plantations will destroy the market as too much fruits will be produced.
As a food item its like cheese. You love it or you hate it. The difference is with Durian, you cannot store it for long in its fruit form. Most of the time, storage is done for the purpose of making tempoyak paste. Maybe we could pivot to tempoyak as an export item if the prices drop.
I have durians farm and trust me....the price justify it because it is not that easy to manage and grow.
Each stages of growth will encounter different pests, each will ruin the trees in matter of days or weeks if not found and treat.
Not all type of durians trees are suitable growing
That's why i only settle for my grandparents durians. I only visit the place when i past through the area or when durian season arrived.
I believe many Malaysian agree law enforcement did this to them,as they plant it in illegally.
Malaysia has a systematic racial LEGAL discrimination law under the guise of affirmative action ( for majorities lol). A Joke country it’s a shame that China even buys from them
This is just a lose-lose situation. The people who have cultivated the industry for so long to be profitable are getting shafted, the Malaysian Government is getting greedy for the profits and cutting out a key stakeholder and destroying the very means of production, to supplant them. And yet, they were cultivating it on state land. Why can't there just be a proper compromise that allows the skilled laborers to maintain their livelihoods as well as allow proper taxation.
Or is the inferiority complex of the Bumiputra that great that they cannot let any profit go to the native Chinese population who made the durian industry possible in the first place.
Yes, native Chinese population in Malaysia face discrimination because of conflict with CCP.
@@phatphan1403 nothing to do with CCP. It’s just systematic racial discrimination. Shame that China even trades with them. CCP is shitty for Chinese
"native" and "chinese" doesn't belong in the same sentence here in Malaysia. lmao they can't even speak the national language. what makes them different from the ones in Taiwan, etc.? justifying illegal stuff and then use race victim card is hilarious
@@phatphan1403got nothing to do with that 🤣 it's their own wrong doing. stop playing victims. it's time to teach y'all some lesson after decades of spoiling
i cried a bit when they showed the cut down durian trees,i cried for the farmer and lost fruit.I love durian so it hurt me a little.
I am reminded of Taiwan and elsewhere, that supporting farmers is good not only in the sense of the fruit quality and diversity, but also against pests to the crop and maintaining tha variety of crops a farmer can rely on that would sell, market wise. However if there are land issues, etc, that does make it more complex.
Agree. Encroachment on forest reserve is a bit too much tho
you do know taiwanese famrers hates the ruling dpp with a passion
That is so beautiful , i miss durian so much.
Goin to malaysia after this stupid pandemic
I'm drooling watching this shems
noice from where i come from they are sold on streets 💃 love that fruit in it's seasons peak 🔥
fun fact- you can eat almost all parts of a durian
We should report this video as misleading information. Illegal is illegal.