Touhou 18: Unconnected Marketeers - Extra Stage
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ก.ค. 2024
- 𝘔𝘪𝘯𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘓𝘦𝘢𝘥𝘴 𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘌𝘯𝘥 𝘛𝘪𝘮𝘦𝘴 ~ 𝘈𝘱𝘰𝘤𝘢𝘭𝘺𝘱𝘵𝘪𝘤 𝘔𝘪𝘯𝘪𝘯𝘨
Stage wise, this Extra isn't too bad, part of the time. The first half is pretty self explanatory and routeable. If you know what you're getting into ahead of time, that much that much you should be able to do consistently. During the second half however, not so much. You have to be a lot more reactionary to the enemies there, with them firing more complex attacks, coupled with a long section depending on your position in the screen.
As a mid-boss Tsukasa has a difficulty that's kinda not there at first, but then she makes up the difference in her last spell. Though it should be noted, that “difference” really only applies to Marisa. It's not bad, but the problem is she forces you out from under her for quite some time. So said spell gets much easier if you can damage her from the corner if the field.
Momoyo similarly has a difficulty curve that goes all over the place, ranging from an attack that's essentially a freebie to another that's just unreasonably cruel compared to everything else around it. For the most part, many of her attacks it's all about misdirecting what she fires, considering she loves firing aimed shots at your position. That said, just because they're predictable doesn't mean they're always easy to avoid. The tough part in many cases isn't so much what she's firing at you, it's the stuff you have to avoid as well while getting out of dodge.
Difficulty - Extra
Character - Ordinary Magician: Marisa Kirisame
Extra Stage - Rainbow Dragon Cave
BGM - The Great Fantastic Underground Railway Network
Mid-boss - Wicked White Fox Who Whispers in Ears: Tsukasa Kudamaki
Boss - Black Dragon Eater: Momoyo Himemushi
BGM - Princess, Slayer of Dragon Kings
Timestamps
0:00 - Intro
1:37 - Stage
3:10 - Pre-fight dialogue
3:18 - Fox Sign "Fox Winder"
3:29 - Kuda-gitsune "Cylinder Fox"
3:49 - Stellar Fox "Dance of Heavenly Foxes and Dragon Stars"
4:09 - Stage
6:11 - Pre-fight dialogue
9:54 - Non-spell
10:07 - Kodoku "Cannibalistic Insect"
10:24 - Non-spell
10:37 - Kodoku "Cave Swarmer"
10:54 - Non-spell
11:07 - Kodoku "Sky Pendra"
11:40 - Non-spell
11:59 - Mining "Ever-Accumulating Mine Dump"
12:22 - Non-spell
12:40 - Mining "Mine Blast"
13:22 - Non-spell
13:37 - Mining "Shield Method of the Youkai"
14:13 - Non-spell
14:26 - Oomukade "Snake Eater"
15:12 - Non-spell
15:30 - Oomukade "Dragon Eater"
16:35 - "Kodoku Gourmet"
17:57 - "Mushihime-sama's Resplendent and Restless Daily Life"
18:55 - Post-fight dialogue
21:28 - Extras
22:14 - Ending
23:52 - Next Time
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"Yup, she's not a thief, she's just a shithead" had me dead lmfao, probably cuz the fact that Tsukasa is the one who started the whole Touhou 18 incident
Sorta? But not really? It was the Great Tengu's idea to make the cards, Chimata who distributed them and Centipede Girl who gathered the gems needed to make said cards. Tsukasa was really just the messenger girl, but she basically manipulated all of them to work against each other, likely so she could take over the the ownership of the cards, and/or of the dragon gems as a whole. Or just so she could cause chaos, who knows.
@@KelyxTheMage It's more of a species thing. Kuda-gitsune are said to bring wealth and prosperity to their master, but they can also bring about their downfall. Tsukasa's profile even says "Those who listen to her advice will surely receive financial benefits,
but you mustn't forget that a destructive result awaits you in return."
Behold! I am the magician that makes even silent children cry. Marisa Kirasame!
I'm dying with laughter. What made marisa say this!? Was it because of stage 1 in touhou 17???
@@entropyascending515 I think it's a running gag that (maybe) started with Sumireko
@@youdonotcare
im not sure but wasn't it started by shion in reimu/yukari's route?
"I'm the poverty god who brings bad luck even to crying children!"
the classic good ol streaming at the start of the extra stage
Except... not quite
22:34 If Misumaru had shown up during WaHH, she would've been all "Is this what the Hakurei line has devolved to? Was it really worth it to make the orbs for them?" and join Kasen in the "Yell at Reimu for her incompetence and greed" club.
Or we could have a fighting game where she shows up as Reimu's final boss and then pulls a perfect replica of her orb while going all "I CREATED IT" like if she was Hazama in Continuum Shift.
*THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS!!!*
Oh good, I'm not the only one who thought dragon eater was completely unfair
Also, momoyo's dialogue with tsukasa scares me. One of the girls you don't want to get on the bad side of
Yes!! I agree it's a skill issue for me with Mine Blast but Dragon eater? *B r u h*
So with Touhou 17, we got the Nether Update.
Now with Touhou 18, we got the Caves and Cliffs Update.
Can't wait for Touhou 19 to correlate with Minecraft's upcoming 1.18 update!
LMAOOOO
How did I not notice this!?
And yes, even more underground stuff
I'd like to take 3:15 seriously, but after dying a lot and with the "Yeep!/Yep!" above her smiling character, it's just funny more so than threatening.
Also, the dancing at that point is quite habitual.
also fuck that last nonspell, I bomb that every time lol
Two things.
One, her last spell is a Mushihimesama joke in both the name and the actual pattern itself. It's a deconstructed version of Aki's finale from the first game! (Also, Mushihimesama in a Cave.)
Two, Momoyo here is actually a bitcoin mining joke. A really elaborate bitcoin mining joke. She's a giant monster that mines out what is effectively raw information - something that holds no intrinsic value. In doing so, she outputs massive amounts of poisonous and potentially environment damaging poison gas, which is why you can't breathe in the cavern.
Altogether, Momoyo is easily my new favourite extra boss. Honestly, all of UM sort of took the spot of my new favourite touhou game. It's a pretty good one!
(Also, one of these days GoDS will win the poll!)
Interesting observation, though tbh a lot more people are connecting the final spell to mushihimesama a similar danmaku schmup.
@@spencertang5155 I did in fact say it was a Mushihimesama reference.
Not sure about that
Since you beat up Tsukasa on the way it would've been funny if you reached Momoyo and when Tsukasa came she would've been like "i'm not a thief i'm Tsu- WHAT THE FUCK YOU AGAIN" while all beaten up
The fact that you beat her 3 times and she doesn't show ANY sign of being hurt kinda of scares me to say the least
@@Cosmicdaydreamer well i guess she used her ability to see each protagonist’s flaws and use them in battle to not get hurt? But yeah Tsukasa is a really scary individual.
I like how Marisa vibes to the BGM in the convos.
Momoyo's three last nons remembers me about a certain ExLolice attack.... Oh well
Also, fun fact! Did you knew that those brown bullets form the survival spell are actually flying cockroaches? Can you imagine a ton of flying cockroaches slowly getting closer at you?
is it mentioned anywhere that those are specifically cockroaches? because if it is kodoku like the spell mentioned, it would just be a ton of miscellaneous insects all crawling in (which is just as, if not more terrifying)
kinda fits the character
Thanks for telling me I will never see Unconnected Marketeers the same anymore
*what.*
Mentioning the Clow Cards sent me back in time
Well Momoyo's timeout spell is really challenging, even though I was using Okina's card on that, getting cramped there was the challenging part.
i doubt its a coincidence that we got a new tengu right around the tine for a new photography game
Funny how off this was in retrospect
[15:31] *Well... that's one way to describe it I guess?*
It's a perfectly accurate way to describe it, *fuck that spell*. Suffering incarnate.
Obviously the Mine Shield spellcard gets more tricky as it goes, but I feel like the splashback explosion from Dragon Eater also gets more packed and tricky... If so, I guess that gimmick of becoming more power over time is also reflected in Momoyo's card lol
Playing the extra stage as Marisa is surely a blast. Its a really tough challenge especially if you dont have Eiki's card on Momoyo, and that is the only time i was able to beat it because of it.
Her 8th spell is really funny if you time it out. The clumps will stay for a very long time, filling the entire screen with bullets going all over the place, making it impossible to dodge.
About the centipede card, some people thought that you can stack the damage with the wolf card, but sadly they dont stack as imagined. In terms of survivability, Eiki, Laser (or Missile), and Centipede cards are the best combination, assuming you can NMNB, but there are other alternatives.
Also that sync at 17:55 is so good wtf
Surprised no one questioned Omega's short "hiatus" in the comments, huh. Long story short, he needed to prioritize a few other things so he couldn't get this video and the ShouSquared video out in time.
Anyway, onto the actual video.
Can I just say this Extra Stage theme is incredibly good? One of the best Extra Stage themes in my opinion.
Also yup... This goddamn stage without a homing shot is nothing short of pain...
Funny story, a few people (myself included) saw some patterns in here as being similar to Len'en patterns. Be it either Tsukasa's Cylinder Fox being similar to Lumen's opener nonspell, or Momoyo's Shield Method of the Youkai being similar to (also) Lumen's One Burdened with the Spinning Cross, just with 5 sections instead of 4.
Also remember when I talked in stage 5 about how ZUN sniped two Kaisendo characters with only one? (That being Megumu - she's the boss of the crow tengu, and her first name is the same as that of the Extra Boss from Infinite Blade Pavilion.) Well, I also found it funny that Momoyo here is a dragon eater, being an oomukade and all. Well, IBP Megumu is a dragon. That said, UM Megumu's kanji literally translates to "dragon", as that's what it means after all. (So I guess IBP Megumu is just like Nue and Satori in that regard...) A joke is even made out of that in Momoyo's profile.
"Momoyo accepted the job of excavator, carving out the mountain to mine the Rainbow Dragon Cave. Her payment was in dragon gems.
The dragon gems were a good enough substitute for eating her Great Tengu friend, Megumu (whose name is written as 'dragon')."
So uh, yeah, ZUN sniped IBP real hard. -good, I don't like IBP all that much but I'm betting it's gonna come right after the next games listed on the Patreon page, ugh-
I'm also seeing no one talk about the frozen bullets at the end of the stage portion. According to WishMakers, those fairies were copypasted straight from Touhou 17. However those were in the maingame, and the bullet speed depended on the difficulty. So here in Extra... they set to 0. Whoops...
Fun fact, for a few nonspells, especially the second one, Momoyo can move really low on the screen if she wants to, due to a sort of bug. Specifically, she can move as low as near the bottom of the Equipment Card sprites. Yikes. Combine that with how she moves a lot during Cannibalistic Insect and, yeah.
I am so mad that you captured Mine Blast, especially as Marisa... That spell is an absolute atrocity, even with Reimu...
Shield Method of the Youkai becomes harder as time goes on. You didn't see here, but those explosions on the screen edges that launch bullets get faster and faster. It gets ridiculous near the end. (The lasers also don't disappear for some reason if you time it out in Spell Practice.)
Oh, screw Snake Eater. I have my own strategy for that as Marisa, but it always ends in a timeout for her. But hey, no resources spent is better in the end...
SCREW DRAGON EATER. You put it best, screw everything about this spell... (I'm trying to not swear here so TH-cam doesn't nuke my comment.)
You were also like 10 seconds away from getting the Dragon Eater glitch. You see those "explosions of bullets" Omega mentioned? Here's the thing: you see how they keep shooting more and more? When the timer hits around 30 seconds, the spell glitches out to oblivion - those explosions will fire so much that they never go away until the spell ends so all you can do is eat dirt.
Also funny we get to this final spell (the Mushihime-sama reference) just in time after CAVE announced it's making a game with the Touhou IP. Not expecting too much of it though, I'm heavily convinced it'll be a mobile and/or gacha game...
Also on that note, anyone notice? Hello? "Momoyo Himemushi"? "Himemushi" is just "Mushihime" with the syllables swapped? And she's in a cave? Yeah, ok.
Oh, cool, you went over the Blank Card and the Gluttonous Centipede card. You even mentioned how broken the latter is when combined with Eiki and Yachie's cards, just like I did back in Stage 1. It's hilariously broken, I got a Hard No Miss No Bomb with this combination, when I'm just Hard 1cc level for the official games. Funny stuff.
Also, again, Reimu and Sakuya aren't "Marisa-tier", they're actually outright stronger.
Anyway, yay, Servants of Harvest Wish is coming up next!!! It was the fangame that got me into Touhou fangames as a whole (which means it's indirectly responsible for me getting into the Kaisendo games and becoming probably the world's number 1 Hatsuna fan in the process), so I'll always hold this game dear to me. From the preview though, I see you're using MarisaB for that. Sad...
I decided to watch a Dragon eater "timeout" after reading this, and WOW... This truly is beyond Gengetsu levels of abuse against pacifists.
Too much text bro
Oh good, i'm not the only one who dislikes IBP then :o
Eh, my opinions of it have slightly changed, I don't dislike it that much after playing it on Normal, because IBP has MoF syndrome...
@@Iris_Descent idk, it's not "bad" but it's definetely not that good either. Probably cause HSoB set the bar too high..
Even so, some patterns in the game feels slightly unpolished. And i absolutely still dislike the extra boss up to this day.
so glad you uploaded the video!
I just love this stage the vocals in it are just
Fuck all I can say is...
Can't wait for Touhou 19
I'd really like to get 17.5 before 19 ☠️
@@krabparrot5724
here to wait even longer for touhou 17.5
I was excited for this extra stage🦠💙💙💙
I played this stage for a while now and i just couldn't figure out how to tackle it properly, so i came here to see how you did it.
Especially the part after the midboss and the vertical line ghosts.
Making it look so simple...
A video that’s released on my birthday...
Today is a good day
9:15 Omg that's joke! I love it XD
UM is so interesting, it was worth been on that Yu-Gi-Oh ride.
23:55
Oh my, yes!
I'm excited for SoHW!
Careful not to over-harvest. ^^
"I'm excited for SoHW!"
- Famous last words before disaster.
Exactly one year, ago this video was released. What a coincidence!
Good commentary, I've already appreciated UM, but I probably should return to it now and try more whacky runs for once.
Still voting for Souten games (Realizzando Difficile Decisione and then AGDP), but I do agree that we got a couple of great games that I wouldn't mind winning instead. Sapphire Panlogism came out and it's pretty darn good. There's always IBP from Kaisendo team and of course in a week we'll see the start of a series on what most people consider to be one of the best western fangames, so there's that.
16:36 *laughs in backdoor*
Thank you for not skipping the dialogue
Jegus that poll is huge O.o
Stage music is perfect
love how tsukasa straight up tells you to die
I really like the commentary in the PC98 style
Oh god
he’s gonna see the ex stage dialogue for Marisa in the next game
i wanna know what marisa is gonna do with the dragon gems she got from this stage
*Knife Party - Centipede plays in the background*
GG
23:17 Well Megumu *IS* a Great Tengu.
You yourself told me how powerful they are, remember? It was just last game you fully played, in fact.
"Let's dig up!"
Momoyo no. Haven't you learned anything from Minecraft?! Dig straight down, you fall in lava! Dig straight up, gravel falls on your head and buries you! THINK, Momoyo! It's the FIRST RULE!
Sanae looks good at the extra stage for some reason
Some bullets can be so slow that they are scary
Jeez. Spell 8 looks like it expects you to have an active card. Like Tenshi's rock would block so much of that nonsense.
@Megaman Omega
i think that saki's card only increase and enlarge your main weapon it doesn't affect your sub-weapon. i prefer increasing my sub-weapon count for more damaging, well its your playstyle can't judge
So she has stinking wall grenades, just perfect
Marisa Kirisame: ~ But i’m shopping 🛒😉
Wait, did the little text next to Momoyo say "let's dig up?" Did a cat burglar trap her in this cave?
how do i record touhou in high quality, im using geforce experience and its only 480p, the video file when i view it is high quality but when i upload it, it just goes to 480p
Ah yes, the Minecraft girl is finally here!
Also, i love how with the bug and crawler motive, the final spellcard is a CAVE reference, seeing how there's gonna be an actual Touhou game made by CAVE itself!
I just find it weird how Cylinder Fox felt way too easy when back in LoLK Dream Catcher felt more lethal and it was in stage 3, granted Cylinder Fox was way faster and is kinda just a midboss but a little denser wouldn't hurt right
Currently trying to do Extra as Reimu and all I can say is fuck Dragon Eater.
I'm kind of sad "Mushihime-sama's Resplendent and Restless Daily Life" has orange bullets in it instead of purple bullets.
Why
@@2hufan21 Because in the SHMUP Mushihimesama, all bullets are purple.
@@GarryDumblowski ooh I see. I guess it would've been nice.
almost got my W but i was too greedy at Kodoku Gourmet and wasted 4 bombs and one life ):
finna try again tomorrow, i can feel it coming together!
P.S. sannyo's pipe saved me quite a lot of lives as well what is wrong with me
Still don't understand how Momoyo threatened Tsukasa. With violence? Blackmail?
how the starting card slots work if anyone isn't sure:
you get 1 extra starting slot for beating the game at any difficulty
you get another for getting one of the alternate endings (done by buying the Blank Card at the end of Stage 5 (which removes all of your equipped cards) and beating the game 1cc
you get another for beating Extra mode
there might be more extra slots you can unlock but I only know about these ones.
You can only get 3 max slots
When you do extra you always have 3 slots
You have to get alternate ending to get the 3rd slot in the main game
@@quochaonguyen6484 weird because ive seen someone start with 4 cards
@@KelyxTheMage that could be a mod or the fourth card is the extra stage oxygen card
6:35 Making this worse is that she's saying it to the girl who would probably proudly claim that she's the caterpillar who *EATS* crying children.
Oh well, I didn't need to sleep tonight, anyway.
20:26 I have a very vivid image of Momoyo pointing the business end of the pick she's holding to Tsukasa's neck as she was saying this. Gory image, but with how much of a creep (and probably a masochist) Tsukasa is, that mental imagery felt kinda refreshing lol
This game is a lot of fun, and probably the game that I replayed the most. That customization and rogue-like elements really made it different from any other game, and it came just as I was getting into rogue-likes again. But yeah, I agree that you need to have played some other Touhou games before getting into this one.
Next game... man, I have some mixed feelings about it. I'll get to them as the playthrough comes, but suffice to say, it was the game that made me aware of fangames made by Western (or majorly Western) developers, and how the design process is different between these teams and Japanese ones, for better or for worse
I guess you had a one week break.
So, I wonder will you try out the Anomaly Card of SoHW, since this is really challenging if want to unlock the Overdrive Cards.
If you know yokai lore you know there is actually a easy way to beat a Oomukade
What is it
@@2hufan21 Fujiwara no Hidesato was able to kill an Oomukade but coating the tip of his awrrow in human silava so...uh yea spit quick and easy way
@@siverfanweedo noice 👌
Also wow, I'm surprised to see FmVA in the poll considering it's strange turn in SHMUP gameplay
Oh well, I voted for it anyways purely for the wonderful soundtrack
Welp, as to be expected, Dragon Eater absolutely destroys Marisa players (and to a slightly lesser extent, Snake Eater too)
Next game is SoHW!!!
I really like that game, but I can't exclusive fullscreen it so I get massive input lag so the Last Words there are just a no go for me
You have your work cut out for you Megamanomega, cause SoHW has a lot of unique mechanics, with Anomaly spellcards, Last Words, and even an extra spell card in the extra stage hard mode
Needless to say... we're gonna be around for SoHW for a LONG while
I can't wait to see...that one Overdrive card. You know. *That one.* The one that had so many attempts that people literally crashed the game from going past displaying 999 on the attempt counter...
It won't be for like 2 months though, haha.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA why.
Nnn... I can't even do Meimei's Overdrive my input lag is just that bad
I actually got the 999 attempt bug on Ryouko's one... that was painful...
I heard Mushihimesama is next
Ok so that starting comment on the nons...I can't ignore it forever. I dislike ZUN's nonspells. I could go on a soap box forever on certain ZUN patterns but that's boring and too negative than the games deserve, but Extra nons here leave me extremely mixed.
On one hand, using the curving arrowheads in a line to simulate a centipede is *actually really cool*. It gives the nons a really cool unique flair to them and I really like that.
On the other hand...most people may not notice this but these are almost exactly the nons of both Okina and Saki. It's not quite on the level of copypasting like with Violet Detector but my first thought was "huh. these nonspells are literally the same" and it just disappoints me, I suppose.
I think the design element of them here outweigh the problems that I have but...I really hope I don't see the lame Okina and Saki nons in another game without a significantly cool factor like Momoyo has.
Alright, soap box finished, Momoyo is otherwise my favorite part in the game so...definitely fun. Looking forward to SoHW too!
@辰凪刻子 Sometimes I wonder how we reached this point. I do remember reading that ZUN tries to get the most value out of a single pattern idea, and that's valid for development time purposes. I do think he stretches it a BIT thin sometimes though. And VD was its...own can of worms.
Repetitive nonspells have always been a thing, especially for extra bosses tbh. I think it's only more jarring now because it's the 16-18th game in the series and it still happens. When Flandre was bringing out rings almost every non with 2 streaming patterns or Ran and Yukari were using the exact same aimed nonspell every time people probably didn't mind as much because ZUN was still figuring out what exactly he wanted to do with the games back then.
The only extra bosses with good nons are Mokou, Koishi, Raiko and Hecatia IMO (going off by how varied and interesting they are) and even then all of them have some "same non but faster/denser" patterns.
I really do wish ZUN put more effort into spicing up Extra boss nonspells. Main game is usually fine because most bosses will only pull of 2 or 3 nonspells that have at least some variety to them. But when an extra boss pulls off the exact same pattern 9 times it's really jarring.
VD is.... VD. I think when ZUN said VD is rushed he REALLY meant it. About 80% of VD in the first 2 weeks is recycled patterns, and then the Nightmare Week is a really cool idea but ZUN ended up just making 1 pattern for every boss and recycling it. Scene games aren't new to taking existing patterns and making them harder (DS and ISC did it a decent amount) but VD is on a completely different level.
@@LushieTilde Yeah it's absolutely true. Even if we've reached a trend where later games do it more often (looking at you, Hidden Star in Four Seasons...) Extra bosses have always been notorious for making this trope what it is
tsukasa is probably one of the most b****iest characters in all of touhou
Em..
Marisa don't say :"i me Reimu Hakurei"
StRaNgE
Dragon Eater is easily the worst spell card in the game. It doesn't matter who you're playing, dodging it always feels like Russian Rullet. It's worse for Marisa because it takes a lot longer for her to deal damage.
That aside, while Momoyo isn't the most difficult extra boss in the series, I think she's the most fun I've ever had with an extra boss. I've beaten several extra stages so far, but Momoyo just had so much variety in her spells, which made it so fun to experiment with different ability cards. And while she's definitely no Koishi, Momoyo was still challenging enough to feel fulfilling to defeat.
pepsi maaaan pepsi maaaan
for your next game I've voted exceed, tired of touhou
Momoyo's Eighth Spell is needlessly cruel to everyone. Every player I've seen has called that one the run ender. I ended up at 1.0 power, no lives, one bomb from that spell from the max lives you can get on this stage as Reimu.
Fuck that spell.
Also, Omega, has anyone made you aware of Luna Nights as a game yet? Definitely one to take a look at.