Great video and testing. I have the bosch. I am using their tools for more than 15 years. I watched a video on the torque test channel, and this model from bosch performed very well, especially in the soft torque testing. It is not the fastest but is powerful.
If you cut out all the small tests and stuck with heavy drilling, large bits, that’s where I think the Hilti will really separate itself. Smaller tasks not so much. That hog needs certain drilling requirements to shine. Definitely a special use drill, agree it’s too big for the average daily drill. That Makita is impressive!
Nice one again! You should have included the new Hikoki 36V top tier, which you reviewed recently. I saw test where they measured the soft torque - and they measured higher soft torque than the Bosch one. And on other tests - it is slightly faster than the Makita 40V...so.. Thumbs up for Hilti for making such a powerhouse of a battery drill, but it's weight and size make it hardly a choice for a general everyday use.
There will be more comparisons in the future. These two received the most requests after the first Hilti video so I wanted to get them in the first video.
Despite the wholly different advertised torque ratings, the SF 6H-22 is the Hilti model that shares the same weight class as the Makita and Bosch. Another one worth checking out is the current Metabo BS 18 LTX BL I (bs = shorter drill/driver and sb = longer hammer drill) . They never change their model numbers (only the article numbers, skus and EIN) so be careful. The four speed Hilti is in category all by itself. The other four speeds go up to 4,000 rpm while losing their torque. The Hilti is about doing the opposite.
You are right.. Hilti is really making it's own class of drills on this one. and i have considered getting the Metabo, but haven't found the right time to get it yet.
I own two Hilti things: A PD32 laser distometer that I use for my private work and an old Hilti impact driver that has served me well through home renovations.... Both work flawlessly (decades later?). I'm getting older, but I bought a Makita corded sidewinder circular saw that I can't seem to get used to. I like the idea of batteries, so now I'm torn between Hilti and Makita... I'm a handy-man/homeowner at this point. All my old DeWalt stuff is dead. Does it all come down to batteries? I want one platform. I work in the ICI world and Hilti is what our company buys for the guys to use.
I think it's a combination of tools and batteries. I think in terms of Makita, their cordless saws are pretty awesome. I have the rear-handle LXT and XGT saws and I love them both, but I end up siding with the XGT simply because I like the single battery and what it does for the ergonomics. The Dewalt 60v Saw is really nice to use and I also have the 6 1/2" cordless saw from Milwaukee. All of them are nicer than my older corded saws.
It won a number of tests but then when it got to the heavier stuff it got beat by a decent margin. Hilti was close enough that it made it easy for them to get the overall win.
The Makita has an excellent top speed of 2600 RPMs but it would also protect itself the most. I think it would've benefited great from a 3rd speed around 1500 RPMs to allow heavier driving and drilling without needing the 700RPM or so speed 1
Yeah, the 3rd speed on the big drills is a really sweet spot on the RPM/Torque trade off. I have always thought about the Dewalt DCD996/998/999. It adds size I am sure so that I why most companies aren't doing it I assume.
@@TinkerWithTools It's the electronic cutout programming on the Makita. It has more then enough power for those rests if they weren't so conservative with it.
Will you please do a test between the xph14, Dewalt 998, the Festool, 2803, and 2804? Specifically, I want you to do all of tge timed tests, but also talk about when you would choose some of the slower drills over over some of the faster drills in certain applications.
There are a few of those drills that I don’t own. The 998 for example is one that I don’t plan on buying because I have the 999. The Festool is another and I don’t have current plans to buy it. But I do have video reviewing the 999 individually and then I have videos featuring the XPH14 vs both the gen 3 Milwaukee and the Gen 4. I’ll see what I can come up with in the future but I don’t know if you will see a dedicated video with all of those drills in the future. As for you question about the speed, I tend to adjust speed based on the task I am trying to complete. While I normally try to see how fast these tools can do it in the video switch to lower speed on bigger bits and tasks is advisable from a control and tool abuse standpoint. Additionally different types of materials might require different speeds as well.
I think the bosch is just geared slower (for higher torque). Also the smoke IF NEW is normal. Just residual oil burning off from factory...scared the crap of me on my compact bosch. I really like your testing methods but one thing i feel is missing is a simple torque test, large lag bolt into wood would suffice. :)
I bought the turbo flex drill for doing 6in recessed lights in plaster ceilings. That is a test that shows some power. Looks like that hilti would be good for that
The flex turbo is a great drill especially for the first generation of a new line of tools. They have had some issues with the turbo mode not staying on at times but I am hopeful that a gen 2 will be a further improvement.
Possibly is, but some people have found that it gets to a point that it won't turn back on. I get that you can warranty it at that point but that's where I wonder if a more traditional gear set wouldn't be more reliable.
I still want the brushed version of that 10W so badly. 💗 The brushed version is a traditional two-handed full-size drill with FOUR brushes on its motor. I'm a complete nerd for this kind of tech. And.. well - there aren't enough dedicated two-handers, everyone just makes compact hammer drills now.
mhmm! I love the technicality behind the setup just because it's a nerdy fascination for me. All really personal, nerdy interests with no real objective. Just for fun A lot of it is just fun to play with. Like I have this really really old makita LXPh03 I got from roadside trash, it's brushed but can keep up with my modern hammerdrill so I sometimes use it out of boredom. Just because it impresses me a little. And well. There's a few cool brushed tools that I want just because they look cool or the motor sounded a certain way so I've just always wanted one --Little stuff like that.
The Bosch seems like the value play. Plenty of power, good enough speed. And $149 for the bare tool? Plus the hammer feature thats not available on the Makita or the Hilti.
@TinkerWithTools I must have missed that. I wonder how the Bosch would perform on those tests with the 12ah battery that it can also use. Kudos to the Makita for being so compact.
It might improve a little but I don't have any plans to get the 12ah any time soon as I don't have tools that are going to require more than what the 8ah can give.
They all look good decent drills, but i have my standard combi drill for standard smaller stuff, when i need something heavier i just reach for the sds. At the moment i cant see me wanting to change that. Im sure the way all the big brands are evolving and pushing new battery tec , in the next 10 years or so the combi will render sds drills obsolete for all but the biggest tasks, but for now im happy using my combi for the small stuff and grabbing the sds when i need that extra grunt. I carry all my tools with me every day so its no stretch. For the diy guys or people who dont really need to be drilling out large holes or going through concrete, brickwork etc these new drills are awesome. Amazing how far battery powered tools have come on, especially the lithium era. Nice video. Enjoyed it thanks.
I agree with you. I think depending on what drill you have you might be able to cover all your needs with one. I only recently got an SDS drill and honestly for my needs it was a luxury more than anything.
@@TinkerWithTools Maybe in the USA, but over in Europe especially places like the UK where a lot of the housing stock is still over a 100 years old a combi on hammer isn't going to cut it on those old solid Victorian bricks. You need a SDS with some decent joules or you will be at it all day.
Which driil is best depends on what you use it for. I myself have a Makita DDF484RTJ and a Festool TPC 18/4. The Festool is my favorite. Perfectly balanced and comfortable to hold.
interestingly I am Hilti fan. I have been on disability for some time now and haven't had to use my Hilti 14.4 hammer drill. it has sat in the case for 3 years without being used. this drill and battery are over 10 years old. My drill has the same amount of charge when i put it away.
As expected, makita better for smaller stuff and hilti for larger. Although hilti is more limited like you've said, like tool for one job only. Didn't expect to see any smoke today lol 😅
I do think you’re right about the dewalt DCD996/998/999 being a good contender when it comes to a larger 3 speed (or more gears) however I’m not going to lie, I’ve owned the DCD998 paired with the 6ah battery and I’m fairly confident it outperforms all the drills in the video. But like you said these drills are heavy and chunky. That’s partly the reason I switched to the m18 drill, it smaller and very powerful.
Since these drills have enough torque for heavy steel work, a test would be great. The torque of the machine is often not important, especially when the chuck cant even hold a drill bit in place.
If you are using the exact same bit and hole saw on each drill, then of course the drill in the second and third position will be hampered with a more dull bit or saw.
I think there would be different results if the Bosch was up against other 18v drills rather than 40v. I personally think Bosch has done the wright thing by there customers staying with 18v and making there stuff backwards compatible. The other two that were tested there customers have to upgrade to a new battery system to get that drill. Would have been good to have that mentioned.
I get what you are saying but for someone picking a tool platform it’s entirely possible for someone to be on Nuron or XGT and not have older legacy platforms at this point. And at the end of the day while it can be a plus that Bosch has been consumer friendly with their battery platform, that doesn’t mean that they aren’t competing with higher voltage tools at this point.
Bosch have made a strong drill but the only problem was the smoked on this drill when overloaded , they have to improve protection for drillself on the next gen or it will burn very quick
@@TinkerWithTools sorry to hear that , i think the one stopped working was the 18V Flexi Click GSR 18V-535FC right ? , This drill had smoked on your channel sometime on some very first clip when you stress tested it
that makita for its size is a tank and something that makita has and no other drill does is about 70 torque settings which will allow u to go very fast when u do repetitive tasks especially when u drill/drive in wood u can always find the perfect torque setting so it will always stop without damaging the wood
The clutch on the Makita but I don’t love the adjustment method. I have used something like the Metabo (German) drill that I have and for consistent clutch performance and ease of adjustment I find myself grabbing that instead.
@@TinkerWithTools yes i know metabo has a wheel at the front that's a nice drill too but not as powerful and fast as Makita and i think is bigger from what i do remember
They have various versions of it, so the size is largely dependent. The length of the one I have is a bit longer because it's designed to work with an attachment that makes it like a drill press.
I own a 18v NiMH Hilti hammer drill and a 18v Lithium Hilti hammer drill. My older Hitachi 18v NiMH drill hangs right with it and the Hitachi blows away the other big name drills at a cheaper price(back then)Metabo now)
I have the makita drill its great. The bosch has more torque same with the hilti but they are heavy and don't really want hand drill any heavier then makita. If I did want a heavier drill it would probably be a big right angle joist drill or a SDS demolition drill. For a hand tool the makita is still light and easy to use don't need to put 2 hands on it most the time its great in a woodworking shop with some nice wood owl bits.
Yeah, if you are doing lighter duty stuff predominantly I wouldn't recommend the Hilti for sure. The Bosch is a big drill but like I said it seems to have a decent balance but if I were never going to use all the power I would recommend a smaller drill for sure.
The Makita seems to have a more aggressive motor protection. Bosch sacrifices protection for more torque. Especially for a company, good protection is required.
If you waw to buy any of them from retail you be ok I don't use Makita its personal choice i have used DeWalt Milwaukee Bosch tried fein they sweet used hiti one time
I see, some pro like Hilti hammer rotary drill....do have automatic stopped device 's ! Second best are .....Bosch , Makita , and more ...other brands ....( Good battery's, with fast charger...
I don't think I would ever recommend the Hilti to someone unless they were just doing dedicated heavier duty stuff with it on a regular basis. It's not a bad drill and has a lot of good qualities but it's so big. I like the Makita the most but the Bosch is also nice to use but that is more just personal preference than anything that really separates the three. They are three good drills. As for the e-clutch, it seems to work decent but it's not the best that I have used. It could be a little more intuitive to use in my opinion.
@@TinkerWithTools if only the Makita had the same clutch and layout as the Bosch, I’d buy it in a heartbeat…. I have no idea why Makita would do this except to save a tiny bit of space on the length.
Makita didn’t win the higher number of tests. Up to a certain point it’s higher RPM on speed 2 give it a clear advantage. If you are doing tasks that fit in its wheel house it’s one of the best out there. But it struggled on the larger tasks where the Hilti is made to shine and that’s where it won the overall total time.
I do own the bosch drill as far as i can say it is indeed a strong drill but that hilti is my end game cordless tools, superior build quality and will last longer than any other tool brand. That is why i don't use my bosch on driving any types of screw or bolt besides to be heavy it has a issue of smoking when using to drive a screws and bolts.
@@dusanmilojevic3017 hahaha over 10years in industries i have never heard anything like that. Maybe you are the one that don't know about tools not me.
The Bosch smoked because you left it at speed 2, where the tork is lower and this forced the engine a lot! If it had been set to speed 1, like the others, it would have screwed in easily and wouldn't have smoked! It was her mistake! You put the others at speed 1, where the tork is greater! Greetings from Brazil! 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
What you are saying about the tool having more torque in its lower gears is correct. Each tool was kept in its highest gear (Speed 2 for the Bosch and the Makita, Speed 4 for the Hilti) until they stalled out. On that test, the Makita and the Hilti failed fairly quickly but then completed the test after dropping down. The Bosch was able to complete the test in speed 2 but with some smoke. In doing show, it showed it was the stronger drill in that higher speed but that is something that I have noticed with Bosch especially that when pushed harder, they have a tendency to smoke. I have never had it affect the performance after but it's not something I typically see with other brands.
Bosch 18V - 150 C GSB/GSR is the strongest Bosch drill on the market. It uses 8 Amp Pro Core battery and only than achive 150 Nm of torque. With lower amps of battery it doesnt have that torque.
This drill in particular? I wouldn’t say it’s what it’s made for. And the size of it would like make it ill suited for tight spaces. They do have their smaller drill that is a solid drill as well.
I personally have a hard to suggesting to them someone who isn’t near a Hilti location just for convenience sake for sales and service. If that isn’t the case for you I might recommend a different brand.
@@TinkerWithTools i have a dealer in my city , I work on semi trucks and trailers and looking into something big that packs a punch, I like Bosch, Milwaukee and DeWalt . I actively use all three
@@bloodystephen920 Hilti launched a new drill with interchangeable chucks and also tap holder for metalwork just recently, sf8 - 22, or it's getting launched atm, depends which market you are in
@@TinkerWithTools if you notice my sentence I said "which one to get first". I already have the older gen metabo 36v. I've been eyeing the bosch since it did well in a lot of youtuber videos. I'll grab the bosch first then hope for a price reduction on the new metabo.
That’s what people have said about this 4.0ah. You can always use a bigger battery if you prefer but at a point I start to question if you aren’t better just looking for a different tool for the job.
True but like the 8.0 gave the hilti more power i think 5 and up truly brings xgt more power and are their sweetspots while the 4.0 seems to be focused mainly on more runtime than 2.5...if so then no need for a different tool if the battery truly gives more juice...imo
i enjoyed much your explanations and video, though i really don't get these tests (not specifically yours). So, a tool is a little bit faster than another , generally by milliseconds or just seconds, so what? is that the whole meaning of a tool? I always thought that a serious tool, will last almost forever and will have consistent function without cutouts. like the bosch for example. longevity, reliability, consistency and of course value/price. these tests of how much fast a tool is, reminds me of the pc and cpu battles. Not applicable to tools. anyway ,that is only my own logic. for example milwaukee. Fast tools, and all, but totally dispensible after 3-4 years (not all) . there is a guy that fixes tools for a living and characterises milwaukee as a diy grade tool with a high price tag. anyway ,i don't want to be someone's pita , but why companies don't produce hybrid units? only a handfull produce tools that can use socket power and battery. this is very annoying , though i can imagine that if these tools existed in abundance there would be almost no need for a new tool.
It’s certainly is one way to look at tools. I think it’s a popular method of testing just like testing 0-60mph/0-100kph times in cars is. I think the point you are trying to illustrate is how it compares to the other tools on the market. Longevity testing is important but it’s also hard to produce in TH-cam video other the reporting back after some time of use. As for the socket power as you call it, I don’t know why it’s not more popular other than some of the companies that have employed it on bigger tools like saws have seen issues of longevity with tools. The DEWALT miter saw that has plug in adapter as well as batteries has had reliability or longevity issues at times. That’s the guess I would make at this point.
Hikoki is strongest drill.For Bosch maximum performance you have to use newest pro core + or pro core 12Ah battery.That Hilti is made to compete with Metabo metal drill,Metabo is far better in every way.
The Hilti and Metabo drills are taking their second gearbox in opposite directions. I know in Europe Hilti is pushing the exchangeable chuck version with tap chucks as a metal drill…but…yeah..nah…. Metal workers want high speeds for small holes. The four speed Hilti is definitely a wood construction drill. It ain’t no Fein ASCM and Metabo has a great dedicated tapping drill on top of their 3 speed. The lack of an electronic clutch with accompanying speed adjustments is kind of let down. Make no mistake, it does have more torque. But so does the 6-22. Metabo is much quieter and smoother (which you couldn’t say 12 years ago) and the newest models are more precise than Festool. Build quality is a wash.
Pro core exists here as Core. Pro core + doesn’t exist here at all. Maybe it will show up when the Makita BL4040F does. The US is the last priority for Bosch and Makita. We’re about two years behind.
Dollar for dollar, Makita is the clear winner. Hilti is way overpriced. As for service, my old Makita drill is 18 years old and is a beast and Makita still will service it.
So higher voltage is a bad thing in your opinion? I get it from a standpoint of not wanting to switch from an existing battery platform but Hilti was 22v even before Nuron.
Beware Hilti have counter in their rotary hammer and when they reach certain number of working hours red light will turn on to service tool.After red light turn on you have couple more hours before stops completely.Doesn’t matter if really need service of not or if you change parts and service machine you have to send it to Hilti to reset counter.Nuron batteries are 21700 cells nothing special and because Hilti use 6 cells 22V battery is big and chunky.Of course you can’t use older type Hilti tools on nuron battery.Only brand were you can use all types 18V tools on every their liion battery is Bosch.
@@TinkerWithTools no worries, I fully understand, i am on the hikoki platform and would be good to see how it would do against the the big boys of the tool world. Maybe a video for the future.Great channel and a joy to watch you videos ,keep up the good work 👍.
Thanks. The Metabo HPT is a great drill. I have the 18v version of their new top drill on order and it will be going head to head with the 36v when it comes. Currently it's on back order but I am hoping it gets here before the end the month.
I have a hard time getting excited about the cat. They don’t have the most impressive specs to start with and I don’t feel like their platform is gaining much traction. I could be wrong but I want to see something more before I head down that path.
Great video and testing. I have the bosch. I am using their tools for more than 15 years. I watched a video on the torque test channel, and this model from bosch performed very well, especially in the soft torque testing. It is not the fastest but is powerful.
Thanks. Yeah it’s a torque focused drill and honestly not bad to use. Typically can be had at a decent price too.
If you cut out all the small tests and stuck with heavy drilling, large bits, that’s where I think the Hilti will really separate itself. Smaller tasks not so much. That hog needs certain drilling requirements to shine. Definitely a special use drill, agree it’s too big for the average daily drill. That Makita is impressive!
Agreed. It has its strengths.
Nice one again! You should have included the new Hikoki 36V top tier, which you reviewed recently. I saw test where they measured the soft torque - and they measured higher soft torque than the Bosch one. And on other tests - it is slightly faster than the Makita 40V...so..
Thumbs up for Hilti for making such a powerhouse of a battery drill, but it's weight and size make it hardly a choice for a general everyday use.
There will be more comparisons in the future. These two received the most requests after the first Hilti video so I wanted to get them in the first video.
Despite the wholly different advertised torque ratings, the SF 6H-22 is the Hilti model that shares the same weight class as the Makita and Bosch. Another one worth checking out is the current Metabo BS 18 LTX BL I (bs = shorter drill/driver and sb = longer hammer drill) . They never change their model numbers (only the article numbers, skus and EIN) so be careful. The four speed Hilti is in category all by itself. The other four speeds go up to 4,000 rpm while losing their torque. The Hilti is about doing the opposite.
You are right.. Hilti is really making it's own class of drills on this one. and i have considered getting the Metabo, but haven't found the right time to get it yet.
I second the metabo 18v LXT BL Q I 👌
I own two Hilti things: A PD32 laser distometer that I use for my private work and an old Hilti impact driver that has served me well through home renovations.... Both work flawlessly (decades later?). I'm getting older, but I bought a Makita corded sidewinder circular saw that I can't seem to get used to. I like the idea of batteries, so now I'm torn between Hilti and Makita... I'm a handy-man/homeowner at this point. All my old DeWalt stuff is dead. Does it all come down to batteries? I want one platform. I work in the ICI world and Hilti is what our company buys for the guys to use.
I think it's a combination of tools and batteries. I think in terms of Makita, their cordless saws are pretty awesome. I have the rear-handle LXT and XGT saws and I love them both, but I end up siding with the XGT simply because I like the single battery and what it does for the ergonomics. The Dewalt 60v Saw is really nice to use and I also have the 6 1/2" cordless saw from Milwaukee. All of them are nicer than my older corded saws.
Looked like the makita won most of the tests
It won a number of tests but then when it got to the heavier stuff it got beat by a decent margin. Hilti was close enough that it made it easy for them to get the overall win.
The Makita has an excellent top speed of 2600 RPMs but it would also protect itself the most. I think it would've benefited great from a 3rd speed around 1500 RPMs to allow heavier driving and drilling without needing the 700RPM or so speed 1
Yeah, the 3rd speed on the big drills is a really sweet spot on the RPM/Torque trade off. I have always thought about the Dewalt DCD996/998/999. It adds size I am sure so that I why most companies aren't doing it I assume.
@@TinkerWithTools It's the electronic cutout programming on the Makita. It has more then enough power for those rests if they weren't so conservative with it.
Are you using the high output Makita BL4040F with the F, or the one without F that is worse then the 2.5Ah one...?
Will you please do a test between the xph14, Dewalt 998, the Festool, 2803, and 2804? Specifically, I want you to do all of tge timed tests, but also talk about when you would choose some of the slower drills over over some of the faster drills in certain applications.
There are a few of those drills that I don’t own. The 998 for example is one that I don’t plan on buying because I have the 999. The Festool is another and I don’t have current plans to buy it. But I do have video reviewing the 999 individually and then I have videos featuring the XPH14 vs both the gen 3 Milwaukee and the Gen 4. I’ll see what I can come up with in the future but I don’t know if you will see a dedicated video with all of those drills in the future.
As for you question about the speed, I tend to adjust speed based on the task I am trying to complete. While I normally try to see how fast these tools can do it in the video switch to lower speed on bigger bits and tasks is advisable from a control and tool abuse standpoint. Additionally different types of materials might require different speeds as well.
I think the bosch is just geared slower (for higher torque).
Also the smoke IF NEW is normal. Just residual oil burning off from factory...scared the crap of me on my compact bosch.
I really like your testing methods but one thing i feel is missing is a simple torque test, large lag bolt into wood would suffice. :)
I bought the turbo flex drill for doing 6in recessed lights in plaster ceilings. That is a test that shows some power. Looks like that hilti would be good for that
The flex turbo is a great drill especially for the first generation of a new line of tools. They have had some issues with the turbo mode not staying on at times but I am hopeful that a gen 2 will be a further improvement.
@@TinkerWithTools I have a suspicion that the turbo not staying on is purposeful to protect the core components of the drill
Possibly is, but some people have found that it gets to a point that it won't turn back on. I get that you can warranty it at that point but that's where I wonder if a more traditional gear set wouldn't be more reliable.
Yep would have loved to see the flex mixing it up with the hilti and the bosch
I still want the brushed version of that 10W so badly. 💗
The brushed version is a traditional two-handed full-size drill with FOUR brushes on its motor. I'm a complete nerd for this kind of tech.
And.. well - there aren't enough dedicated two-handers, everyone just makes compact hammer drills now.
Just curious. Why would you prefer a brushed motor over brushless? Just because it would be unique?
mhmm!
I love the technicality behind the setup just because it's a nerdy fascination for me.
All really personal, nerdy interests with no real objective. Just for fun
A lot of it is just fun to play with. Like I have this really really old makita LXPh03 I got from roadside trash, it's brushed but can keep up with my modern hammerdrill so I sometimes use it out of boredom. Just because it impresses me a little.
And well. There's a few cool brushed tools that I want just because they look cool or the motor sounded a certain way so I've just always wanted one
--Little stuff like that.
The Bosch seems like the value play. Plenty of power, good enough speed. And $149 for the bare tool? Plus the hammer feature thats not available on the Makita or the Hilti.
I may have mentioned it but the Makita is also a hammer drill. Only the Hilti is a drill driver. But as for the value, you are right.
@TinkerWithTools I must have missed that. I wonder how the Bosch would perform on those tests with the 12ah battery that it can also use. Kudos to the Makita for being so compact.
It might improve a little but I don't have any plans to get the 12ah any time soon as I don't have tools that are going to require more than what the 8ah can give.
I like makita tools but actually any top drill would satisfy me since I never abuse tools and they all have a plenty of power for work.
Bosch is the strongest 18v drill. Hilti is running on 21.6v and Makita 36v.
Yeah they are all different voltages but at the end of the day each brand chose what voltage they run.
@@TinkerWithTools this is true my friend
Bosch is the strongest 18v drill ? You have to mean,in this test.
@@fnikko229 no compared to other 18v drills.
It definitely seems powerful,
Did it really just drive a 2" forstner bit all the way through in speed 2?
They all look good decent drills, but i have my standard combi drill for standard smaller stuff, when i need something heavier i just reach for the sds. At the moment i cant see me wanting to change that. Im sure the way all the big brands are evolving and pushing new battery tec , in the next 10 years or so the combi will render sds drills obsolete for all but the biggest tasks, but for now im happy using my combi for the small stuff and grabbing the sds when i need that extra grunt. I carry all my tools with me every day so its no stretch.
For the diy guys or people who dont really need to be drilling out large holes or going through concrete, brickwork etc these new drills are awesome.
Amazing how far battery powered tools have come on, especially the lithium era.
Nice video. Enjoyed it thanks.
I agree with you. I think depending on what drill you have you might be able to cover all your needs with one. I only recently got an SDS drill and honestly for my needs it was a luxury more than anything.
@@TinkerWithTools Maybe in the USA, but over in Europe especially places like the UK where a lot of the housing stock is still over a 100 years old a combi on hammer isn't going to cut it on those old solid Victorian bricks. You need a SDS with some decent joules or you will be at it all day.
Love that Makita, it's my go-to for large wood bits or small hammer drilling tasks.
It’s a really nice drill!
Which driil is best depends on what you use it for. I myself have a Makita DDF484RTJ and a Festool TPC 18/4. The Festool is my favorite. Perfectly balanced and comfortable to hold.
I have considered picking up the Festool for a while now, just have never pulled the trigger on buying it.
The Makita in my opinion, is the clear best choice
It’s a great drill!
yeah but is 40V System. The Bosch has its 18V ampshare and still very solid!
Makita is a rubbish that you never know when it breaks
interestingly I am Hilti fan. I have been on disability for some time now and haven't had to use my Hilti 14.4 hammer drill. it has sat in the case for 3 years without being used. this drill and battery are over 10 years old. My drill has the same amount of charge when i put it away.
That's impressive!
As expected, makita better for smaller stuff and hilti for larger. Although hilti is more limited like you've said, like tool for one job only.
Didn't expect to see any smoke today lol 😅
Yeah I didn’t expect the smoke either.
I do think you’re right about the dewalt DCD996/998/999 being a good contender when it comes to a larger 3 speed (or more gears) however I’m not going to lie, I’ve owned the DCD998 paired with the 6ah battery and I’m fairly confident it outperforms all the drills in the video. But like you said these drills are heavy and chunky. That’s partly the reason I switched to the m18 drill, it smaller and very powerful.
Yeah for DEWALT I like going with the DCD800 unless I really need the power.
I’d like to see the DCD998 pitted against some of the so called strongest drills
Real fun results. I have same bosh drill and I don’t now if American are less quality or just broken clutch.
Since these drills have enough torque for heavy steel work, a test would be great. The torque of the machine is often not important, especially when the chuck cant even hold a drill bit in place.
If you are using the exact same bit and hole saw on each drill, then of course the drill in the second and third position will be hampered with a more dull bit or saw.
I think there would be different results if the Bosch was up against other 18v drills rather than 40v. I personally think Bosch has done the wright thing by there customers staying with 18v and making there stuff backwards compatible. The other two that were tested there customers have to upgrade to a new battery system to get that drill. Would have been good to have that mentioned.
I get what you are saying but for someone picking a tool platform it’s entirely possible for someone to be on Nuron or XGT and not have older legacy platforms at this point. And at the end of the day while it can be a plus that Bosch has been consumer friendly with their battery platform, that doesn’t mean that they aren’t competing with higher voltage tools at this point.
Bosch have made a strong drill but the only problem was the smoked on this drill when overloaded , they have to improve protection for drillself on the next gen or it will burn very quick
I have had two Bosch drill smoke on me. Neither one has stopped working but it’s not something I like to see
@@TinkerWithTools sorry to hear that , i think the one stopped working was the 18V Flexi Click GSR 18V-535FC right ? , This drill had smoked on your channel sometime on some very first clip when you stress tested it
Yeah it was the flexiclick. Still working though. Same with the 1330 here.
it just grease get smoked a bit..
that makita for its size is a tank and something that makita has and no other drill does is about 70 torque settings which will allow u to go very fast when u do repetitive tasks especially when u drill/drive in wood u can always find the perfect torque setting so it will always stop without damaging the wood
The clutch on the Makita but I don’t love the adjustment method. I have used something like the Metabo (German) drill that I have and for consistent clutch performance and ease of adjustment I find myself grabbing that instead.
@@TinkerWithTools yes i know metabo has a wheel at the front that's a nice drill too but not as powerful and fast as Makita and i think is bigger from what i do remember
They have various versions of it, so the size is largely dependent. The length of the one I have is a bit longer because it's designed to work with an attachment that makes it like a drill press.
I own a 18v NiMH Hilti hammer drill and a 18v Lithium Hilti hammer drill. My older Hitachi 18v NiMH drill hangs right with it and the Hitachi blows away the other big name drills at a cheaper price(back then)Metabo now)
Metabo HPT still makes an impressive drill.
I have the makita drill its great. The bosch has more torque same with the hilti but they are heavy and don't really want hand drill any heavier then makita. If I did want a heavier drill it would probably be a big right angle joist drill or a SDS demolition drill. For a hand tool the makita is still light and easy to use don't need to put 2 hands on it most the time its great in a woodworking shop with some nice wood owl bits.
Yeah, if you are doing lighter duty stuff predominantly I wouldn't recommend the Hilti for sure. The Bosch is a big drill but like I said it seems to have a decent balance but if I were never going to use all the power I would recommend a smaller drill for sure.
The Makita seems to have a more aggressive motor protection.
Bosch sacrifices protection for more torque.
Especially for a company, good protection is required.
If you waw to buy any of them from retail you be ok I don't use Makita its personal choice i have used DeWalt Milwaukee Bosch tried fein they sweet used hiti one time
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Man now I dont regret returning all my Bock tool set.
They have some good tools and I do like this drill... it's just geared more for torque than speed.
I see, some pro like Hilti hammer rotary drill....do have automatic stopped device 's ! Second best are .....Bosch , Makita , and more ...other brands ....( Good battery's, with fast charger...
Of the 3 drills tested here, which do you like the best? What are your thoughts on the e-clutch on the makita?
I don't think I would ever recommend the Hilti to someone unless they were just doing dedicated heavier duty stuff with it on a regular basis. It's not a bad drill and has a lot of good qualities but it's so big. I like the Makita the most but the Bosch is also nice to use but that is more just personal preference than anything that really separates the three. They are three good drills.
As for the e-clutch, it seems to work decent but it's not the best that I have used. It could be a little more intuitive to use in my opinion.
@@TinkerWithTools if only the Makita had the same clutch and layout as the Bosch, I’d buy it in a heartbeat…. I have no idea why Makita would do this except to save a tiny bit of space on the length.
The bosch is known to smoke, mostly when new. It should get better over time and is not harming the drill...
The drill isnt exactly new at this point so it was surprising.
Do you think Flex has any model that could mix it up with these?
Yes it could.
I do think think I could bring myself to spend Hilti-level money without getting a metal transmission housing and metal chuck.
The chuck on the Hilti is metal. The housing might not be but the chuck is.
Makita looked like it won more of the tests 🤷🏻♂️
Makita didn’t win the higher number of tests. Up to a certain point it’s higher RPM on speed 2 give it a clear advantage. If you are doing tasks that fit in its wheel house it’s one of the best out there. But it struggled on the larger tasks where the Hilti is made to shine and that’s where it won the overall total time.
I do own the bosch drill as far as i can say it is indeed a strong drill but that hilti is my end game cordless tools, superior build quality and will last longer than any other tool brand.
That is why i don't use my bosch on driving any types of screw or bolt besides to be heavy it has a issue of smoking when using to drive a screws and bolts.
Hilti won’t last longer then any other tool.Hilti sells machines from different brands under their name and you now nothing abut tools obviously.
@@dusanmilojevic3017 hahaha over 10years in industries i have never heard anything like that. Maybe you are the one that don't know about tools not me.
@@klipschkef0144 10 years and didn’t learn anything,that’s sad.Ever heard for Duss (the best) hammers?
@@dusanmilojevic3017 heard it once... But let me know how did you come up with the conclusion of being the best hammer drill??
@@dusanmilojevic3017 is it because it is expensive?? Hehe
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The Bosch smoked because you left it at speed 2, where the tork is lower and this forced the engine a lot! If it had been set to speed 1, like the others, it would have screwed in easily and wouldn't have smoked! It was her mistake! You put the others at speed 1, where the tork is greater! Greetings from Brazil! 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
What you are saying about the tool having more torque in its lower gears is correct. Each tool was kept in its highest gear (Speed 2 for the Bosch and the Makita, Speed 4 for the Hilti) until they stalled out. On that test, the Makita and the Hilti failed fairly quickly but then completed the test after dropping down. The Bosch was able to complete the test in speed 2 but with some smoke. In doing show, it showed it was the stronger drill in that higher speed but that is something that I have noticed with Bosch especially that when pushed harder, they have a tendency to smoke. I have never had it affect the performance after but it's not something I typically see with other brands.
@@TinkerWithTools ok! thank you!
Bosch 18V - 150 C GSB/GSR is the strongest Bosch drill on the market. It uses 8 Amp Pro Core battery and only than achive 150 Nm of torque. With lower amps of battery it doesnt have that torque.
The 150c is just the global version of the 1330c. This was running on an 8ah pro core battery.
Is the hilti good for metal and mechanic work
This drill in particular? I wouldn’t say it’s what it’s made for. And the size of it would like make it ill suited for tight spaces. They do have their smaller drill that is a solid drill as well.
I personally have a hard to suggesting to them someone who isn’t near a Hilti location just for convenience sake for sales and service. If that isn’t the case for you I might recommend a different brand.
@@TinkerWithTools i have a dealer in my city , I work on semi trucks and trailers and looking into something big that packs a punch, I like Bosch, Milwaukee and DeWalt . I actively use all three
@@bloodystephen920 Hilti launched a new drill with interchangeable chucks and also tap holder for metalwork just recently, sf8 - 22, or it's getting launched atm, depends which market you are in
Chuck an 8amp on the makita and it will eat that hilti the original 4amp is the weakest of the 40v batteries
But can you honestly tell me you run a $389 8ah 40v battery on your drill?
wanted to see the new metabo hpt. choosing which to get first the bosch or metabo hpt. lol
Between the two I think I would choose the Metabo. I like using it more than the Bosch but they are both great.
The Bosch is going to be much better built.
If you want best drill get Metabo BS 18 LTX-3 BL Q I METAL.
@@TinkerWithTools if you notice my sentence I said "which one to get first". I already have the older gen metabo 36v. I've been eyeing the bosch since it did well in a lot of youtuber videos. I'll grab the bosch first then hope for a price reduction on the new metabo.
I think the 5.0 and up unlocks xgt tools power...
That’s what people have said about this 4.0ah. You can always use a bigger battery if you prefer but at a point I start to question if you aren’t better just looking for a different tool for the job.
True but like the 8.0 gave the hilti more power i think 5 and up truly brings xgt more power and are their sweetspots while the 4.0 seems to be focused mainly on more runtime than 2.5...if so then no need for a different tool if the battery truly gives more juice...imo
i enjoyed much your explanations and video, though i really don't get these tests (not specifically yours). So, a tool is a little bit faster than another , generally by milliseconds or just seconds, so what? is that the whole meaning of a tool? I always thought that a serious tool, will last almost forever and will have consistent function without cutouts. like the bosch for example. longevity, reliability, consistency and of course value/price. these tests of how much fast a tool is, reminds me of the pc and cpu battles. Not applicable to tools. anyway ,that is only my own logic. for example milwaukee. Fast tools, and all, but totally dispensible after 3-4 years (not all) . there is a guy that fixes tools for a living and characterises milwaukee as a diy grade tool with a high price tag. anyway ,i don't want to be someone's pita , but why companies don't produce hybrid units? only a handfull produce tools that can use socket power and battery. this is very annoying , though i can imagine that if these tools existed in abundance there would be almost no need for a new tool.
It’s certainly is one way to look at tools. I think it’s a popular method of testing just like testing 0-60mph/0-100kph times in cars is. I think the point you are trying to illustrate is how it compares to the other tools on the market. Longevity testing is important but it’s also hard to produce in TH-cam video other the reporting back after some time of use.
As for the socket power as you call it, I don’t know why it’s not more popular other than some of the companies that have employed it on bigger tools like saws have seen issues of longevity with tools. The DEWALT miter saw that has plug in adapter as well as batteries has had reliability or longevity issues at times. That’s the guess I would make at this point.
@TinkerWithTools totally makes sence. Thank you again for your explanation and time to respond.
Hikoki is strongest drill.For Bosch maximum performance you have to use newest pro core + or pro core 12Ah battery.That Hilti is made to compete with Metabo metal drill,Metabo is far better in every way.
The Hilti and Metabo drills are taking their second gearbox in opposite directions. I know in Europe Hilti is pushing the exchangeable chuck version with tap chucks as a metal drill…but…yeah..nah…. Metal workers want high speeds for small holes. The four speed Hilti is definitely a wood construction drill. It ain’t no Fein ASCM and Metabo has a great dedicated tapping drill on top of their 3 speed. The lack of an electronic clutch with accompanying speed adjustments is kind of let down. Make no mistake, it does have more torque. But so does the 6-22. Metabo is much quieter and smoother (which you couldn’t say 12 years ago) and the newest models are more precise than Festool. Build quality is a wash.
Pro core exists here as Core. Pro core + doesn’t exist here at all. Maybe it will show up when the Makita BL4040F does. The US is the last priority for Bosch and Makita. We’re about two years behind.
Hikoki is the strongest as long as it's the only one in the competition 😂
@@robertrada4783 I notice that also we in Europe have bigger selection battery capacity.
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Dollar for dollar, Makita is the clear winner. Hilti is way overpriced.
As for service, my old Makita drill is 18 years old and is a beast and Makita still will service it.
Dollar for dollar would have to go to the Bosch for me. Yes it was the slowest but it’s significantly cheaper than the other two on the regular.
Bosch best because
hilti 22v
makita 40v
So higher voltage is a bad thing in your opinion? I get it from a standpoint of not wanting to switch from an existing battery platform but Hilti was 22v even before Nuron.
the hilti is as big and heavy as a 1980s corded drill lol wtf why even make it.
So you caved and got a Stanley cup….
I’ve had one for a while. They are good mugs. Overpriced and overhyped at time but doesn’t mean they aren’t good
Forgout to teste milwaukee and hikoki.
They are the best not much time ago.
I have other videos where each of those drill are tested as well.
Hilti screweed their customers with this Nuron garbage, which is nothing special. I'm done with Hilti.
Beware Hilti have counter in their rotary hammer and when they reach certain number of working hours red light will turn on to service tool.After red light turn on you have couple more hours before stops completely.Doesn’t matter if really need service of not or if you change parts and service machine you have to send it to Hilti to reset counter.Nuron batteries are 21700 cells nothing special and because Hilti use 6 cells 22V battery is big and chunky.Of course you can’t use older type Hilti tools on nuron battery.Only brand were you can use all types 18V tools on every their liion battery is Bosch.
There are apples to apples Nuron and CPC products and take a guess which version smokes the other?
La hilti est hot , grosse et puissante sa peut etre pratique mais dans la vie de tout les jours je sais pas trop , depend du métier je croit bien
You are buying it if what you already have isn’t big enough or substantial enough in my opinion.
where is miluakee?
They are certainly one of the top drills but weren't among the most requested for this head to head.
@@TinkerWithTools thx for the reply nontheless it will be intenerting to see miluakke among them. i think it will destroy the comptetion
Had to make it fair to the rest of the brands.... Give someone else a chance to win for a change.
In the toilet with the rest of the...plumber's tools.
@@uncahay at least they're not in the trash with Makita and DeWalt 😘
For me, Makita FTW...
makita 100%
Need to add the hikoki/metabo hpt dv36dc to the mix.
Hard to fit them all into a single video. Had to pick and choose.
@@TinkerWithTools no worries, I fully understand, i am on the hikoki platform and would be good to see how it would do against the the big boys of the tool world. Maybe a video for the future.Great channel and a joy to watch you videos ,keep up the good work 👍.
Thanks. The Metabo HPT is a great drill. I have the 18v version of their new top drill on order and it will be going head to head with the 36v when it comes. Currently it's on back order but I am hoping it gets here before the end the month.
I would like to see the CAT in some testing
I have a hard time getting excited about the cat. They don’t have the most impressive specs to start with and I don’t feel like their platform is gaining much traction. I could be wrong but I want to see something more before I head down that path.
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