Locating the Herodian Temple--Old and New Theories
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- Here is a real "blast from the past." Ernest Martin had released his theories on the Jewish Temple in the time of Jesus not being located up over where the dome of the Rock is today, but to the south in the "City of David" area. In this lecture, given in the year 2000, offers an overview of Martin's new proposal as well as the more standard view most historians and archaeologists hold. My own view I do not lay out here and subsequent discussions have added a lot in the past 20 years, but this first presentation at an academic conference stands as an important part of the unfolding story. I might also add that there is no need to suppose that the 1st Temple and the 2nd Temple were at the same location--it is possible, maybe likely, but Martin originally defended his view only for first Temple (10th c. BCE) down into the Persian period.
Unfortunately, this question is not merely an academic one--but for Jews who want to honor the Temple Mount, Muslims who consider the Haram the 3rd most sacred site in Islam, and millions of evangelical Christians who expect a new Jewish Temple that will be taken over by the "AntiChrist," the issues become heated and even have been the catalysts for violence on all SIDES in the past 50 years.
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Enjoying The James Tabor TH-cam channel. I first saw James Tabor on the naked archeologist talking with Simcha Jacobovici . I very much appreciated that introduction to so many great people who are knowledgeable in this topic.
This video is quite old. Is there any change in how people view the location?
There must be Roman accounts of the description of Jerusalem somewhere? The Vatican library has to have something to clean up all this conjecture.
Vatican came after the destruction. Romans wrote on material that easily disintegrated. Why would the Roman's draw anything that wasn't Roman? Especially when they wanted it destroyed.
Josephus **was** the Roman account. Emperor Vespasian paid him to write the history of the Jewish people.
I find the Martin theory very convincing and so far I have not heard any counter arguments which can persuade me that he is wrong. It would be so natural for later generations of Jews visiting the city to see the remains of the fortress and assume that it must be the remains of the temole. Once established, an assumption like this would be impossible to shift.
Big Fan of Ernest Martin. Been explaining this since I learned about it after reading his books. Another one you need to have of the Secrets of Golgatha.
I agree.
I like the idea that people have been praying at the wrong wall. Temples over there guys
OMG... Dr. Martin was one of my instructors at Ambassador College, UK. I requested to be a part of the original dig, but had to settle for a week-long tour of Israel sponsored by the college in 1969. Know the temple mount well.. accidentally nearly started riot by entering the grounds on Friday! Yes, mentioning Dr. Martin was a "blast from the past!" Probably my favorite instructor at AC/UK.
I hope you revisit this subject. I've been waiting for a scholarly critique of Norma Robertson's southern mount theory.
I would think, the pools of Solomon, would have supplied The Temple, with water.
And you would be correct. 😉
@@DN-kf4gg I think, if surveyed, the tombs, around Jerusalem, from the Temple time, would point to a location, where the Jewish Quarter is today, not to the Temple Mount.
The official version sounds right, the temple being on the dome of the rock, high-place for the temple, 600ft from the fortress with a walkway to the temple, the 4 western gates, one that lead to Herod's place. If you use the current court, find the middle point, you find the most likely middle-point of where the temple was, right at start of priests court, the holy of holy's seems like its the rock on dome of the rock. I understand Josephus say's stuff to put this to dispute, like the temple and Antonia being 600x1200. He might be only talking about both complex's not, mentioning the temple court which is outside of the temple. It's possible it was on the south of the temple mount, with 600x1200 config, that's where it is square, on western south wall. If it was in the city of David, then where are all the stones? If it was on the temple mount, the stones must of been thrown off into the city on the west and reused for construction. The Byzantines should of had a good idea where the temple was, they would of seen the destruction, as the romans left it.
Is it where Herod " under Roman influence " built the TEMPLE, or Where GOD told David and Solomon OBEYING HIS FATHER built the FIST TEMPLE AS GOD ORDERED.
I am of the opinion that both Men had every intention to be OBEYING GOD instead of their own mind or anyone else.
Dome of rock is 251meters from the Southern gates. Which means the temple is 125 meters. Seems like it's in that southern, western corner. I created a model of it on my channel. 600feet area and 600, 600feet fort area, which is inside the dome of the rock platform.
1 Chronicles 6:10
and Johanan begat Azariah, (he it is that executed the priest’s office in the temple that Solomon built in Jerusalem:)
Ezra 5:14
And the vessels also of gold and silver of the house of God, which Nebuchadnezzar took out of the temple that was in Jerusalem, and brought them into the temple of Babylon, those did Cyrus the king take out of the temple of Babylon, and they were delivered unto one, whose name was Sheshbazzar, whom he had made governor;
Ezra 5:15
and said unto him, Take these vessels, go, carry them into the temple that is in Jerusalem, and let the house of God be builded in his place.
Ezra 6:5
and also let the golden and silver vessels of the house of God, which Nebuchadnezzar took forth out of the temple which is at Jerusalem, and brought unto Babylon, be restored, and brought again unto the temple which is at Jerusalem, every one to his place, and place them in the house of God.
Psalm 68:29
Because of thy temple at Jerusalem shall kings bring presents unto thee.
Follow the water..if you want to reach the jewish temple
?David's city
Joseph’s silver cup (Dome of the Spirits) is hidden in Benjamin. Dr. James Fleming saw and photographed the Eastern Gate under the Gate Suileman’s men built. It is directly in line with the Dome of the Spirits.
“The Bible Came from Arabia “, Kamal Salibi, 1985. Still correct but none have the brains/ backbone for it. I.E. the he first city of David and Jerusalem separately are/ were in western Arabia.
Can't understand why a fundamentalist Christian group would want to rebuild the Temple. Do they not get Jesus?
Jesus the Splendor, also just called Jesus, is a Fragment of the Primordial God known as the Father of Greatness, being the Manichaeism equivalent of Christian Jesus. Like the Yeshua of the Christian religion, he is a kind, honest and very gentle deity.
In Manichaeism, Jesus is considered one of the four prophets of this religion, along with Zoroaster, Gautama Buddha, and Mani. He is also a "guiding deity" who greets the light bodies of the righteous upon their deliverance.
Like the Christian Jesus, he lived from 0 to 33 CE, being worshiped as the Son of God, and the Savior who rose from the dead. The religion of Manichaeism is a Gnostic religion, so unlike the Christian religion where the Messiah is the incarnation of God the Son, in Manichaeism there is a distinction between the physical and historical Jesus and the spiritual Jesus, with the human Yeshua being an aspect of the spiritual Christos.
Like his Gnostic counterpart, it is unknown whether this "version" of Jesus has any direct connection to Jesus Prime. It can be said that their relationship is the same as the avatars of God such as Allah, Yahweh and Elohim, each being an incarnation of the Creator.
The city and temple were completely destroyed... not the Roman fortress. Would the Most High allow such a thing... Yes, He did.
John 8 and 9 puts the temple near to the pool of siloam. The pool is 2000 ft from the current supposed location. Thats a heck of a walk when you just had mud smeared in you eye. Or! the temple is south and close to the pool , which then would be a short walk.
Fantastic lecture. Funny how two decades later people are still dismissing this theory as ridiculous despite the evidence for it never being refuted.
Another piece of compelling evidence not mentioned here is Tuvia Sagiv’s thermal aerial imagery of the Temple Mount, which clearly shows the locations of an early moat and other structures that contradict the traditional temple location.
The Temple is located between the jewish and muslim quarters, exactly at the present garden.
They only fooling themselves cause herods temple definitely is the 3rd temple
No one ever talks about the orientation of the Temple. If it wasn't due East, why was it not?
This is very out of date now. Do you have latest updates on these and latest theories please?
Cant say the facts overide the narrative anymore. ‘We hae a duty to investigate valid theories’ tell that to Dr Faustus and his cancel culture for scientists
The mention of the on man Rick Myers enough to turn this off.
Josephus will be proRoman his Master
Great historic ...true ..many thanks
Leeland Jones has lived in Israel 8 years he has a playlist about the real temple near King Davids's Palace and its present excavation. The Herod's temple mount is actually Fort Antonio. Click link below to see for yourself.
Click what?
Thanks for doing this. This stupid theory about the Dome being where the Antonia was is depressingly common on the internet, spread mostly by Fundamentalist nutters and pseudo-archaeologist grifters.
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Dr. Tabor, thank you so much for sharing this lecture. I am curious-what are your thoughts on Ernest Martin’s Temple Mount theory today? I would love to hear you discuss this topic again on your channel.
Jesus Christ was born into His Pre-existence of interactions between God, also known as Yesh, and the Goddess, also known as Barbelo. One was the "Unknown" and the other was the "Silence", similar yet different. Their interactions were like those of two galaxies merging, spinning and merging, sometimes passing through each other, dancing and mixing. From these interactions, Jesus Christ was born, known at the time of "Autogenes", which means Self-Generated One.
Alongside Jesus, two other facets of God were born, Jehovah and the Holy Spirit, these three being the Trinity of Christianity, with each being one third of the other and being three facets of the Ineffable Father, that together reveal the One and True God.
There was a long square deep empty gap??and the steps is not toward water or against it is over looking the river. IVE always wonder about that.
Tibagan called.
I would think, The Temple Mount was built by Hadrian.
Been hoping for something on the temple location!
Very easy to listen to... no matter what
I stay stuck in Egypt- all the slaves making bricks- Red Sea bed like the Grand Canyon
& then (fisher men) that don't know fresh water is not a Sea
oh, & all the trade routs, like a fishnet... all across (the wilderness)
... so you go, Abraham's well- then, go to jail- no $200 (Slaves of Egypt)
Then the wilderness (back to the well..?) where you started, but forgot the way
... how much of Egypt
is cut stone
Did Hezekiah channel the Gihon Spring to the lowest part of the city so that his enemies would not get to it? That sounds ridiculous. Or was the pool of Siloam once an underground reservoir for the ancient fortress of David (or acra) that was later leveled to the ground so that enemies could no longer capture the acra and use it as a base to attack the temple. If the acra was located over the present pool of Siloam, then the temple must have been south of the Haram. If you want to know where the temple was, you need to know where the acra was.
How do you level an "underground reservoir" to the ground? Nothing about your theory makes sense or has any grounding in evidence.
Ernest Martin discussed the location of the Akra extensively in his book, The Temples That Jerusalem Forgot.
There has been very compelling archeological evidence uncovered that places the Akra at the Givati parking lot dig in the City of David, but it is widely ignored by archeologists because it goes against the traditional Temple Mount location on the Haram.
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To put the Akra in the modern so called City of David negates the idea from Josephus that the Akra was tore down and even the hill it stood on was quarried so that it no longer posed a threat to the Temple.
Why would Hezekiah tunnel the water about 2 tenths of a mile away from the then Acra? Do you suppose in a time of war that they would form a quarter mile line of people to carry the water from the newly formed well to the Acra where they were trying to hold out against the enemy? It the outer wall was breached, they would loose their water source to the enemy.
No, it make more sense that they tunneled the water directly under their holdout, the Acra.
It seems easy to confirm that the area above the Hezekiah's tunnel was indeed quarried, which would confirm Josephus' testimony about the Acra.
So young!
It was like yesterday that's why it's so frightening
@@dansaber4427 don't look in the mirror! That's my advice